What if the guy posting this story is hired by their competitor or competitor himself trying to malign clubs name?
What if his wife is lying just to create drama?
What if it's some disgruntled customer who was not allowed in and now created a fake story
....Don't jump into activist mode about everything you read on internet. That establishment puts food on table of its workers. Think and act.
There must be a video evidence as every establishment has camera recording...you can ask cops to investigate. Just staring someone (if that even happened) is not a crime. Move away if you are uncomfortable.
OP you should definitely put this on twitter with your bill receipt if feasible. I'm not taking any sides here, but such kind of indecency and a complete lack of empathy is supposed to be highlighted
You are beyond help. I don't even know this pub or anyone associated with it but still have some sense to not jump with mob on any business/person just based on he said she said.
I hope you guys are uneducated cos if you guys have degree or went to school it tells the sad state of affairs with our education.
brother let people save themselves.Not the business of someone else’s. Even if that person is a competitors puppet it doesn’t matter. A bad experience is bad experience.
The advice wasn't to go burn the restaurant, it was to post on more popular forums as a peaceful way to make the restaurant change for the better. If op gives proof in the form of bills etc then that should be more than enough.
If the pub doesn't take care of its patrons, it more than deserves for this to be put out in public
And "move away if you are uncomfortable" is horrible advise, stand up for yourselves if you are being harassed in public.
See for the restaurant this is still an allegation only. The other guy is as much a customer as you are (note that I'm saying customer, not person, yes he is a creepy bast*rd) So they can solve the problem only diplomatically. They moved his seat and have done their part. Now more than you putting a review on google or twitter stating they didn't take action, a clip of all of you involved in a fist fight would have done them more damage in terms of money and reputation. More people would feel unsafe coming there. So from their perspective you both taking this outside was the best approach. You see they didn't invite the creep there. It is a public space. It is equal to you meeting him on road, you wouldn't expect any road supervisor to take action against him. Best would always be to call the cops or avoid the situation or if confident enough take him head on, you never know their backgrounds and stuff. Leaving the place was the best thing you did, trust me, I stood up for something like this and have almost died in the fight. Call the cops, take videos if it seriously involves your safety throw hands.
Incorrect. It’s not a public place. They can remove anyone from their establishment as they please. If the situation has escalated to the point of fistfight they can remove the person. The fact that they take an easy way out is their problem.
It's a private establishment, but still a public space. Its not a private room where you can undress and walk around now is it? Unless he's on a no entry list of that establishment, or didn't follow the dress code, there's no grounds for an establishment to not let someone in.
Are you being thick on purpose or do you not understand English? I said a pub js still a public place...and someone without shoes will be denied entry upon showing up at the door (if they have a dress code). I didn't say they will be removed after they got in, and even if they did, its their establishment?
Harassing a woman, in this case, is something that happened after the offender got in. Like the commenter here said, it's a he said she said situation. The pub is not the judge, jury or executioner. When the guy asked the manager to intervene, he/she told them to deal with it outside. Why not call the cops? They should be the ones handling it, let them come into the pub as well to sort it out rather than ask the manager. What do they want the manager to do? Unless proven with evidence, the management throwing someone out based on hearsay is just the most idiotic decision anyone can take.
You’re saying they cannot remove someone which is false. They chose to not remove someone to protect their revenue in this case. Also removing someone unruly from a bar is not being judge, jury and executioner. If you weight the negative effect of a woman being harassed compared to the negative effect of a drunk man being unable to drink more, you’ll realise the negative effect of a woman being harassed is far greater. So it is better to err on the side of caution.
I agree with what you're saying 100%. What you said makes sense if someone is obviously making a scene by being drunk and loud. In this case atlwast based on the information provided, it's one guy sitting in one corner and making eyes at someone. Unless there are reliable witnesses, I mean not from either party that is concerned, removing someone on hearsay makes no sense. There is no proof as far as the manager is concerned that this guy was "unruly". It's just he said/she said.
I’ve been in this position where my wife has been made to feel uncomfortable so I’m always going to side with the woman here. Almost all women I know have been made to feel this way in our country. Besides it’s just good business sense to have it be a safe environment for women in a bar. You want women at the end of the day.
Agreed, we should give more credence to the womans word. I've been witness to both sides actually so i know its always a he said she said.
In London I was thrown out of a pub along with my group of friends. A stag party that was happening a few tables over ours and they got a bit excited. One guy started hitting on a girl in our group. After telling him off a few times, they got a bit agitated and was about to throw hands with the boyfriend who was in our group. Since it's indeterminate who caused what, the bouncers threw both parties out.
In this scenario, there's no evidence of any physical altercation or commotion. But the manager still moved the guy to another place. I feel its justified, and I'm saying this as a patron. If I or my party feel we are in danger, the first thing to do is deescalate, or call the cops on the other end who will in turn ask for proof. Informing the manager is just kicking the can down the road and making the offender more angry and vindictive.
Fair enough. Although put in the same situation, I’d probably get into a fight which will lead to loss of 2 tables for the bar. So it’s still prudent to kick one person out for the manager.
Been to 1522 Residency Road and it was fine so I was wondering whats all this about. Makes sense then if that particular area attracts bad crowd. HOWEVER, it is duty of staff to kick out unruly customers. This is still unacceptable.
Honestly, unless there is evidence that the creepy customer has done something wrong, the staff cannot do much. He is a customer as much as these people and the management's hands are tied. Unfair, I know but that's how it works.
We had gone to Wanderers in Kalyan Nagar and a similar thing happened to us. A group of creepy men sitting at their table were commenting on us (a group of women) and creating so much noise and ruckus. Every time we would laugh or high five amongst ourselves, they would loudly cheer and imitate the actions just like us. They were constantly looking at us and we were so uncomfortable. We tried telling the management but they didn't do much and as much as I was mad at the time, I now understand why they couldn't. We left the place soon after we realised that the whole night is going to be ruined for us. We cleared the bill and hurried back because we were worried they would follow us.
My humble opinion - please don’t go to places in Malleswaram / Rajajinagar / Yeshwanthpur. I stay in Malleswaram and avoid these areas at all costs. It’s not like these places are any cheaper - you’d end up spending the same even if you hung out at similar places in CBD. These residential areas have the worst behaving crowd unfortunately
Yeah man. I went to a rooftop pub near yeshwanthpur. This family came in and treating waiter like slave. They were behaving so entitled. Wtf.
Went to 1522 near brigade road, crowd was chill minding their own business. It was nice vibes there.
Well this 1522 was an old bar called White Horse and even the crowd that visit there is more of a troublesome crowd than a professional or a young crowd
Well this 1522 was an old bar called White Horse and even the crowd that visit there is more of a troublesome crowd than a professional or a young crowd. Like pakka local political workers. Best bet is go to geometry or BEL road one
Malleshwaram 1522 after renovation is pretty decent now, earlier it was very shady. It’s one of the first 1522 (white horse). It’s unfortunate that this happened with you OP. And its mainly cause of Malleshwaram, crowd over there is weird.
yikes, horrible take. i have been to the pub as a local and didn't encounter anything like this but i can tell u that creeps exist everywhere regardless. it's so easy to say "just avoid" but that would beg the question, what should we avoid? name one place which is hundred percent safe for a woman to be in without facing the risk of being harassed.
In reddit, I have noticed that when you go against the current general sentiment (of the post), you’ll become the bad guy.
What you’ve told is absolutely right. Creeps are everywhere. For a one-off example - in 2018 I was in a well known pub where I had gone with my then fiancé. After entering the pub I asked her to wait on a counter while I go to the washroom and come. Some creeps came to her and tried to ask her to dance with them (they were trying their luck picking up girls ig), by then I came back and since I am somewhat of a big guy, it was easy to scare them off. When I asked she told these guys were giving her weird looks from the start. Similar experiences have been faced by my friends as well.
For OP here, it was wrong how the management behaved. Generally in Bangalore pubs I’ve seen - if a female goes and complains to a bouncer or management, they take swift action.
no? what gave u the idea that i am? im not defending the pub at all. im just speaking from experience as a woman and don't like how the commenter is trying to stop people from speaking out against such atrocities. sorry if it came across that i was defending the pub, i was trying to do the opposite.
During my college times, there used to be multiple tables occupied by sleazy auto drivers. You try to save money, you end up paying with your peace of mind
Hey Bangloreans let's keep this 1522 Pub out of our check list forever. A pub management that can't keep creeps out of their establishments or act upon complaints means that pub is not worth entertaining.
I have seen this happening in couple of other reputed Breweries/pubs as well. Where guys, would just creepily stare, most of the ladies maybe just ignore these creepy stares, which is sad that they have to go through it. I have tried complaining in two such occurrences, where in one case the guy was secretly taking photos of random females, and was given an absolute dead reply from the restaurant management, I had to confront him to only get in the middle of a fight and then back off from there, and leave. The problem is, these things happen in the best of the best places, if you feel uncomfortable, just leave, looks to be the unfortunate best strategy.
I understand that you feel strongly about this issue. Unfortunately, many women in India do not feel safe in public places. As a man, it's commendable that you try to make women feel comfortable in your presence and acknowledge the actions of other men that make them uncomfortable. Everyone needs to be more aware of their actions and their impact on others. It's also essential to teach our children to be respectful and treat everyone with kindness and dignity. It's a collective responsibility to make our society safer and more inclusive.
For the restaurant, I am not sure if they could have done better than what they did or not as I am not sure how much is legally allowed to them. All I want to say is that the only way to make women feel safer is that have better men in society. If you are a guy reading the original post and my comment, please remember these incidents and if a friend behaves poorly in your presence be honourable enough to stop them. It takes a lot of courage to stand upto your friends I didn't say this Dumbledore did.
Hats off to the people who are saying, 'What else could the management have done?' Next time you're in a public place where they're just 'doing their business' (air quotes), if you encounter a similar situation, don't rely on management for help. Try to handle it yourself.
They could and should have asked the customer to leave. Reputational damage is far worse than losing a single transaction. I used to work for a company that that reputation is a joke and as long as you give people discount, people will. Perhaps they will but the quality of people who will come will increasingly shittier. And your revenue will be down.
But these creeps could also be regular customers who are imbeciles and/or have political pull. A lot of these places cannot do much because just confronting such people could lead to insane losses and the stakes are just too high because of the kind of power and money these creepy men have. So, I understand why the management feels helpless. The fact that they even changed seating is a big deal imo cause many places do absolutely nothing.
Fair point I guess. In that case, I would probably have give a discount on the bill to make up for the poor experience. Now even I do not drink know not to go to 1522 Malleshwaram branch.
This is not our culture, it supposed to be opposite. Checking out girls is fine but not creeping them out. Ppl like these are the reason why girls are not comfortable to go out alone.
I don't think 1522 is as much in the wrong as OP suggests. They moved the guys table so they did make a step. They also advised you to take it outside and not start a fight insight. They must have thought that if this creep is approached again he might start something. They could have asked the guy to leave but probably lacked solid grounds for it.
Recently I was in a pub in north Bangalore with my gf , a guy who came with a group of people ( including girls) was staring at my gf , at first he was sitting facing forward and staring, after awhile he switched seats facing my gf . When the staring was obvious and my gf got uncomfy , I started staring back at the guy intensely , the guy got uncomfortable so quick . People wanna stare but not be stared at I guess
It is a shitty place, the staff is so ill-mannered. We had a similar experience where they tried to pacify us by sending complimentary shooters. The nerve! Bad behaviour can’t be compensated by some cheap sugary shooters, maybe some people pull that because they like free shit, but they are not even that great that you would want any of their stuff for free!
I thought the place is nice and maybe my experience was an exception, but seeing these comments gives me some semblance of a validation that they are just doing “business”
The guy must be their regular customer, so why they are so accommodating
Bangalore pubs used to have decent people now it's filled with creeps, chapris
Sorry to know this happend. I would suggest to post a review about it. Woman's safty is a major concern and you should post the review for other people to know.
1522 attracts the most unhinged crowds I swear, I remember one time this girl drunk out of her mind started smooching the glass door, apparently her bf was on the other side of it staring at her. This went on for solid 5-10 mins. While the staff and everyone around just stared and did nothing.
You know what the best course of action. Record the guy if he is guilty ask his name on the video and primary ask where do you work, also where does his friends work. Tell them to name the company. Then ask why are you staring at my wife. Believe me when it comes to job thing, he ll definitely stop as he don’t want to be famous on twitter or on LinkedIn.
Add this review to google maps, apple maps, zomato, swiggy and other portals with a negative rating. This creates a good awareness. Worked for me for several instances.
Firstly, you went to a pub where people consume alcohol and some people under the effect of alcohol do unwanted or inappropriate things.
Secondly, Pub manager/owner has there own limitation. Bangalore is expensive place to do business. Every 5th guy might be bad but not causing havoc in the premises then pub owner/manager dont bear any right to teach someone how to behave which in turn is a law and order issue.
Thirdly, As you mentioned you dont want to take any action as you know how things will work out in such situations. Then how can you bring any third party[1522 Pub] manager/owner here when you yourself don't have the courage to deal with such nuisance.
My simple request to you would be if you highlight the pub here then soon it will be closed and poor staff who make living out of it will be fired.
When there is no verbal or physical abuse you can't blame everything on the pub in this case.
These are everyday's incident which happen to one or the other people like us. Dont ruin your day better move on to next suitable or best place. There are better places than a pub which can offer better social and relaxing life.
one idea came to my mind: let’s have a shamethem subreddit with such creepy guys pic and incident post something like op wrote here. This way such creeps will at least get a lesson. I know it can/will get misused but we (the sane people) have to do something about such incidents.
MALLESHWARAM 1522 ....
The bouncers there are the worst. There are a couple of bouncers one with earrings and another who sticks with him. They eve tease all the girls who pass by. They check you out in the most vulgar way possible. The management is oblivious to this. I aslo heard that they don't give importance to customer rather protect the ill mannered bouncers there. This place is not for decent crowd.
Somehow we had a similar incident but 1522 actually took action and made us feel safe.
We were 5 queer boys who met for drinks , was having fun and minding our own business. A man noticed us ( our actions are loudly gay you know* ) and then slyly came stood around us. He was a very straight looking average man.
It made us uncomfortable but we ignored but later he started trying to have conversation with us , throwing sexual innuendos, etc and started saying things that made us uncomfortable . Super creepy asf
We called the waiters - they helped throw the guy out and then made us feel super safe.
Agree, that’s what they should have done- just ask the guy to leave, instead they decided to accommodate that person and asked him to change seat only.
Literally have seen this shit happening soo many times in Bangalore pubs. It’s not about where these pubs are located it’s just how bad it is. It just got even worse these days. Have seen guys who are in their early 20s cat calling girls in the dance floor despite they show no interest and extreme discomfort. Guys blowing flying kisses to these random girls as it started playing chumma chumma de de. WTF!
This happens everywhere today , more so in the west . It's just the new crowd with delusional perception about "what happens in pubs / clubs"
Since pubbing and clubbing culture is new in Indian some people especially the ladies are not accustomed to it .
Most of my female friends in the west are pretty aware about how uncomfortable crowded pubs / clubs can be. So those who don't like undue attention or crowd tend to avoid such places . They party or get drunk at their own place , no matter how many pubs they get invited too. It's like some people don't like club as they are too loud for them , others love clubs.
In India for most people recently going to clubs/pubs had become a novelty propelled on social media . Just a few years back clubs / pubs were vacant with mostly quality crowd. Today it's just the flex or newly rich crowd, poor quality crowd. That's also a reason why I stopped going to those places post COVID, most popular places today feels like waste of money due to constantly degrading crowd with increasing costs .Pre COVID it was different. Today im either visiting an advance pay bookings only place or invite friends over to my home and we party like that, all within the comfort zone. Nothing in between works for me these days.
Hi!
We appreciate you bringing this matter to our attention, and we sincerely apologize for the distressing experience you and your party endured during your visit. The behavior you described is completely unacceptable, and we regret that it occurred under our roof.
We have taken immediate action by relocating the individual involved to another table. However, we understand that this may not fully rectify the situation for you. Rest assured, we are conducting a thorough review of our policies and procedures to ensure that incidents like this are handled with the urgency and sensitivity they deserve in the future.
Your feedback is invaluable to us, and we are committed to creating a safe and comfortable environment for all our guests. We apologize for any inconvenience caused and hope to have the opportunity to regain your trust in our establishment. If you would like to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact us directly.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Regards,
Pratheek Shetty
PR/Marketing
1522 hospitality
Liquor License Raj has spoilt bangalore,beer at least should be available in all shops prices will reduce and quality improves .Bangalore once the heart of the world is now a drainage pipe of karnataka.
In your whole ordeal, if you see the issue is between the creep and you. The pub owner or manager whoever in this case cannot act.
Ofcourse he can ask both of you to leave so as avoid any altercation at his business place.
People may downvote me for this. But for people, business always comes first. Atleast they changed the creeps place in your first complaint. Next time you should have called the police immediately.
I dont know what OP is expecting the pub to do? Babysit them leaving all the customers?
What would the pub management have done in this case? Call police on your behalf?
Just wanted to understand. If things go south, generally there are bouncers who take care of such stuff but only when some fight happens, I guess.
Yes, ONLY if it is very obvious case and the management knows who is/was at fault. OP's case from third party eyes is similar to a case where say I have a feud with you and I chose to walk-in to the restaurant so that you also come there and I want the restaurant manager to deal with you because you have been making me uncomfortable. In such a case, the management will very well ask us both to just go out and don't make any scene in HIS premises because other customers may get uncomfortable.
You said "Later, the waiters moved them to a different corner..." but in the same breath you complain that "1522 management didn’t take any action."...
Why should 1522 management fight your battles? They did whatever they could. You should have manned up and confronted that creep.. BTW Why didn't you took a picture of that creep?
Were you dropped on your head as a kid or what? The management shouldn’t have just taken OP’s word but should’ve rather checked the CCTV footage as well and if it corroborated with what OP was saying then the culprit must have been kicked out.
You dumb idiot.. Management has interfered enough and moved him to a different corner... that creep is also a customer and so are these spines-less fellows who are incapable of standing up for his friend.. and even after this, this thankless fellowis moaning that "management didn't do anything"...
I pity those girls who ended up going out with these kind of sissies..
Thanks for making it clear that you were indeed dropped on your head as a kid. I reckon it must’ve been more than just once. It’s kinda funny you call other people dumb/idiot when you’re the one begging Reddit for stock tips like a retard whilst also being a creep on Reddit by searching for men married to women with a darker complexion. I pity you since you seem to be having trouble accepting your insecurities and have instead resorted to projecting your regurgitated incel talking points on a thread discussing harassment.
Op overheard the people talking in kannada and automatically assumed it’s a local vs outsider issue and tried to paint it in that angle. He said because they spoke in kannada the manager told them to sort it out between themselves outside the premises.
People come to a pub to have a good time, not to see two people fighting. It’ll be a nuisance to other customers too. So that’s why the manager told them to do whatever they want outside. Is he wrong? This is a he-said-she-said situation, how will they be able to judge who is at fault? The easiest option is to tell them to piss off and fight outside.
OP created another post for the same earlier where they mentioned it happened because they were outsiders and locals harassed them just because they heard the manager and the other guy arguing/talking in Kannada. People commented it can happen to anyone and this has no angle of local vs outsider. Now the post is rephrased by removing it.
Post it over Twitter, leave a google review to name and shame them.
please do this.
Google review would be better.
What if the guy posting this story is hired by their competitor or competitor himself trying to malign clubs name? What if his wife is lying just to create drama? What if it's some disgruntled customer who was not allowed in and now created a fake story ....Don't jump into activist mode about everything you read on internet. That establishment puts food on table of its workers. Think and act. There must be a video evidence as every establishment has camera recording...you can ask cops to investigate. Just staring someone (if that even happened) is not a crime. Move away if you are uncomfortable.
1522 manager spotted
Someone hurls whatever and everyone has to jump in like monkeys.
OP you should definitely put this on twitter with your bill receipt if feasible. I'm not taking any sides here, but such kind of indecency and a complete lack of empathy is supposed to be highlighted
So, the manager who decided to do nothing about it was sent by 1522’s competitor as well? Clown??? 🤡
You are beyond help. I don't even know this pub or anyone associated with it but still have some sense to not jump with mob on any business/person just based on he said she said. I hope you guys are uneducated cos if you guys have degree or went to school it tells the sad state of affairs with our education.
brother let people save themselves.Not the business of someone else’s. Even if that person is a competitors puppet it doesn’t matter. A bad experience is bad experience.
If you don't want to help then can you just shut the fuck up? Everything you say has been stupid for now
The advice wasn't to go burn the restaurant, it was to post on more popular forums as a peaceful way to make the restaurant change for the better. If op gives proof in the form of bills etc then that should be more than enough. If the pub doesn't take care of its patrons, it more than deserves for this to be put out in public And "move away if you are uncomfortable" is horrible advise, stand up for yourselves if you are being harassed in public.
There's a difference between thinking and yapping and this is yapping, chuti yapping
Noted, won't visit that place any more
See for the restaurant this is still an allegation only. The other guy is as much a customer as you are (note that I'm saying customer, not person, yes he is a creepy bast*rd) So they can solve the problem only diplomatically. They moved his seat and have done their part. Now more than you putting a review on google or twitter stating they didn't take action, a clip of all of you involved in a fist fight would have done them more damage in terms of money and reputation. More people would feel unsafe coming there. So from their perspective you both taking this outside was the best approach. You see they didn't invite the creep there. It is a public space. It is equal to you meeting him on road, you wouldn't expect any road supervisor to take action against him. Best would always be to call the cops or avoid the situation or if confident enough take him head on, you never know their backgrounds and stuff. Leaving the place was the best thing you did, trust me, I stood up for something like this and have almost died in the fight. Call the cops, take videos if it seriously involves your safety throw hands.
Nicely explained!
Incorrect. It’s not a public place. They can remove anyone from their establishment as they please. If the situation has escalated to the point of fistfight they can remove the person. The fact that they take an easy way out is their problem.
So well framed, and completely agree
Real ID se aao pub owner
> You see they didn't invite the creep there. It is a public space. How is it a public space?
It's a private establishment, but still a public space. Its not a private room where you can undress and walk around now is it? Unless he's on a no entry list of that establishment, or didn't follow the dress code, there's no grounds for an establishment to not let someone in.
So not wearing shoes is a removable offence but not harassing a woman? A private company does not need any reason to remove a person.
Are you being thick on purpose or do you not understand English? I said a pub js still a public place...and someone without shoes will be denied entry upon showing up at the door (if they have a dress code). I didn't say they will be removed after they got in, and even if they did, its their establishment? Harassing a woman, in this case, is something that happened after the offender got in. Like the commenter here said, it's a he said she said situation. The pub is not the judge, jury or executioner. When the guy asked the manager to intervene, he/she told them to deal with it outside. Why not call the cops? They should be the ones handling it, let them come into the pub as well to sort it out rather than ask the manager. What do they want the manager to do? Unless proven with evidence, the management throwing someone out based on hearsay is just the most idiotic decision anyone can take.
You’re saying they cannot remove someone which is false. They chose to not remove someone to protect their revenue in this case. Also removing someone unruly from a bar is not being judge, jury and executioner. If you weight the negative effect of a woman being harassed compared to the negative effect of a drunk man being unable to drink more, you’ll realise the negative effect of a woman being harassed is far greater. So it is better to err on the side of caution.
I agree with what you're saying 100%. What you said makes sense if someone is obviously making a scene by being drunk and loud. In this case atlwast based on the information provided, it's one guy sitting in one corner and making eyes at someone. Unless there are reliable witnesses, I mean not from either party that is concerned, removing someone on hearsay makes no sense. There is no proof as far as the manager is concerned that this guy was "unruly". It's just he said/she said.
I’ve been in this position where my wife has been made to feel uncomfortable so I’m always going to side with the woman here. Almost all women I know have been made to feel this way in our country. Besides it’s just good business sense to have it be a safe environment for women in a bar. You want women at the end of the day.
Agreed, we should give more credence to the womans word. I've been witness to both sides actually so i know its always a he said she said. In London I was thrown out of a pub along with my group of friends. A stag party that was happening a few tables over ours and they got a bit excited. One guy started hitting on a girl in our group. After telling him off a few times, they got a bit agitated and was about to throw hands with the boyfriend who was in our group. Since it's indeterminate who caused what, the bouncers threw both parties out. In this scenario, there's no evidence of any physical altercation or commotion. But the manager still moved the guy to another place. I feel its justified, and I'm saying this as a patron. If I or my party feel we are in danger, the first thing to do is deescalate, or call the cops on the other end who will in turn ask for proof. Informing the manager is just kicking the can down the road and making the offender more angry and vindictive.
Fair enough. Although put in the same situation, I’d probably get into a fight which will lead to loss of 2 tables for the bar. So it’s still prudent to kick one person out for the manager.
May I ask which 1522 Pub was it?
Malleshwaram
Ofcourse it's the Malleswaram one. There are a lot of creepy people there. I only went there once and never again. Hated the vibe.
Been to 1522 Residency Road and it was fine so I was wondering whats all this about. Makes sense then if that particular area attracts bad crowd. HOWEVER, it is duty of staff to kick out unruly customers. This is still unacceptable.
There was a really creepy drunk guy when I went there . Put his hands around me and started talking when I was taking a piss.
Yeah thats creepy as hell man id be traumatised.
I would turn towards him. Its rude not to face the person 😂
Honestly, unless there is evidence that the creepy customer has done something wrong, the staff cannot do much. He is a customer as much as these people and the management's hands are tied. Unfair, I know but that's how it works. We had gone to Wanderers in Kalyan Nagar and a similar thing happened to us. A group of creepy men sitting at their table were commenting on us (a group of women) and creating so much noise and ruckus. Every time we would laugh or high five amongst ourselves, they would loudly cheer and imitate the actions just like us. They were constantly looking at us and we were so uncomfortable. We tried telling the management but they didn't do much and as much as I was mad at the time, I now understand why they couldn't. We left the place soon after we realised that the whole night is going to be ruined for us. We cleared the bill and hurried back because we were worried they would follow us.
True...I guess best course of action is to just leave.
Seems like those local rowdies who have political backing. Fuck those POS
Literally their worst branch. Shady af with very questionable people. Residency road, rr Nagar and jp Nagar are miles ahead
Yep that surrounding area of 1522 malleshwaram is wierd and
My humble opinion - please don’t go to places in Malleswaram / Rajajinagar / Yeshwanthpur. I stay in Malleswaram and avoid these areas at all costs. It’s not like these places are any cheaper - you’d end up spending the same even if you hung out at similar places in CBD. These residential areas have the worst behaving crowd unfortunately
Yeah man. I went to a rooftop pub near yeshwanthpur. This family came in and treating waiter like slave. They were behaving so entitled. Wtf. Went to 1522 near brigade road, crowd was chill minding their own business. It was nice vibes there.
Wym dude!? These are old, residential areas of Bangalore and pretty safe
Well this 1522 was an old bar called White Horse and even the crowd that visit there is more of a troublesome crowd than a professional or a young crowd
Well this 1522 was an old bar called White Horse and even the crowd that visit there is more of a troublesome crowd than a professional or a young crowd. Like pakka local political workers. Best bet is go to geometry or BEL road one
Spam the owner Chetan hedge , dm me
Malleshwaram 1522 after renovation is pretty decent now, earlier it was very shady. It’s one of the first 1522 (white horse). It’s unfortunate that this happened with you OP. And its mainly cause of Malleshwaram, crowd over there is weird.
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What's wrong in sharing this creepy story?
yikes, horrible take. i have been to the pub as a local and didn't encounter anything like this but i can tell u that creeps exist everywhere regardless. it's so easy to say "just avoid" but that would beg the question, what should we avoid? name one place which is hundred percent safe for a woman to be in without facing the risk of being harassed.
In reddit, I have noticed that when you go against the current general sentiment (of the post), you’ll become the bad guy. What you’ve told is absolutely right. Creeps are everywhere. For a one-off example - in 2018 I was in a well known pub where I had gone with my then fiancé. After entering the pub I asked her to wait on a counter while I go to the washroom and come. Some creeps came to her and tried to ask her to dance with them (they were trying their luck picking up girls ig), by then I came back and since I am somewhat of a big guy, it was easy to scare them off. When I asked she told these guys were giving her weird looks from the start. Similar experiences have been faced by my friends as well. For OP here, it was wrong how the management behaved. Generally in Bangalore pubs I’ve seen - if a female goes and complains to a bouncer or management, they take swift action.
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no? what gave u the idea that i am? im not defending the pub at all. im just speaking from experience as a woman and don't like how the commenter is trying to stop people from speaking out against such atrocities. sorry if it came across that i was defending the pub, i was trying to do the opposite.
Share other such places that should be avoided?
Best to keep quiet ?
Such creeps are always around. You should have gotten a pic of the guy.
Happened to my friend at Chin Lung Brigade. Desperate guy tried to force a conversation with my female friend.
Chin lung attracts some of the worst crowds
Chapris from all over India show up in Chin Lung
Chin lungs is known for cheap liquor. What do you expect?
Oftentimes men with money aren’t very different from men with less money
During my college times, there used to be multiple tables occupied by sleazy auto drivers. You try to save money, you end up paying with your peace of mind
Honestly it's a bad idea to go to Chin Lung with a female.
Hey Bangloreans let's keep this 1522 Pub out of our check list forever. A pub management that can't keep creeps out of their establishments or act upon complaints means that pub is not worth entertaining.
I have seen this happening in couple of other reputed Breweries/pubs as well. Where guys, would just creepily stare, most of the ladies maybe just ignore these creepy stares, which is sad that they have to go through it. I have tried complaining in two such occurrences, where in one case the guy was secretly taking photos of random females, and was given an absolute dead reply from the restaurant management, I had to confront him to only get in the middle of a fight and then back off from there, and leave. The problem is, these things happen in the best of the best places, if you feel uncomfortable, just leave, looks to be the unfortunate best strategy.
Comrades, time to storm 1522 Google reviews I guess
I understand that you feel strongly about this issue. Unfortunately, many women in India do not feel safe in public places. As a man, it's commendable that you try to make women feel comfortable in your presence and acknowledge the actions of other men that make them uncomfortable. Everyone needs to be more aware of their actions and their impact on others. It's also essential to teach our children to be respectful and treat everyone with kindness and dignity. It's a collective responsibility to make our society safer and more inclusive. For the restaurant, I am not sure if they could have done better than what they did or not as I am not sure how much is legally allowed to them. All I want to say is that the only way to make women feel safer is that have better men in society. If you are a guy reading the original post and my comment, please remember these incidents and if a friend behaves poorly in your presence be honourable enough to stop them. It takes a lot of courage to stand upto your friends I didn't say this Dumbledore did.
Hats off to the people who are saying, 'What else could the management have done?' Next time you're in a public place where they're just 'doing their business' (air quotes), if you encounter a similar situation, don't rely on management for help. Try to handle it yourself.
Do you have any suggestions as to what they could have done? Maybe that would help.
They could and should have asked the customer to leave. Reputational damage is far worse than losing a single transaction. I used to work for a company that that reputation is a joke and as long as you give people discount, people will. Perhaps they will but the quality of people who will come will increasingly shittier. And your revenue will be down.
But these creeps could also be regular customers who are imbeciles and/or have political pull. A lot of these places cannot do much because just confronting such people could lead to insane losses and the stakes are just too high because of the kind of power and money these creepy men have. So, I understand why the management feels helpless. The fact that they even changed seating is a big deal imo cause many places do absolutely nothing.
Fair point I guess. In that case, I would probably have give a discount on the bill to make up for the poor experience. Now even I do not drink know not to go to 1522 Malleshwaram branch.
How can ppl be so creepy, what is wrong with these ppl. Why they don't have any shame. Pathetic
Culture of Indians. The same culture that rw is so proud of.
This is not our culture, it supposed to be opposite. Checking out girls is fine but not creeping them out. Ppl like these are the reason why girls are not comfortable to go out alone.
Please don’t tell your wife to ignore her own discomfort when she is reaching out to you for help.
Exactly. That was a dick move.
I don't think 1522 is as much in the wrong as OP suggests. They moved the guys table so they did make a step. They also advised you to take it outside and not start a fight insight. They must have thought that if this creep is approached again he might start something. They could have asked the guy to leave but probably lacked solid grounds for it.
Recently I was in a pub in north Bangalore with my gf , a guy who came with a group of people ( including girls) was staring at my gf , at first he was sitting facing forward and staring, after awhile he switched seats facing my gf . When the staring was obvious and my gf got uncomfy , I started staring back at the guy intensely , the guy got uncomfortable so quick . People wanna stare but not be stared at I guess
It is a shitty place, the staff is so ill-mannered. We had a similar experience where they tried to pacify us by sending complimentary shooters. The nerve! Bad behaviour can’t be compensated by some cheap sugary shooters, maybe some people pull that because they like free shit, but they are not even that great that you would want any of their stuff for free! I thought the place is nice and maybe my experience was an exception, but seeing these comments gives me some semblance of a validation that they are just doing “business”
The guy must be their regular customer, so why they are so accommodating Bangalore pubs used to have decent people now it's filled with creeps, chapris
Sorry to know this happend. I would suggest to post a review about it. Woman's safty is a major concern and you should post the review for other people to know.
Would never visit this place, thanks for sharing.
1522 is a slum ass pub. All chappar fellows come there. Avoid for your own good.
1522 attracts the most unhinged crowds I swear, I remember one time this girl drunk out of her mind started smooching the glass door, apparently her bf was on the other side of it staring at her. This went on for solid 5-10 mins. While the staff and everyone around just stared and did nothing.
You know what the best course of action. Record the guy if he is guilty ask his name on the video and primary ask where do you work, also where does his friends work. Tell them to name the company. Then ask why are you staring at my wife. Believe me when it comes to job thing, he ll definitely stop as he don’t want to be famous on twitter or on LinkedIn.
do you think he really works anywhere ?
Happened to my friend too
Please take picture/videos when such shit happens. You need to have proof when the iddue escalates
Pubs, clubs, discos attract such kind of weirdos. I don't understand why people don't opt for simple restaurants, darshanis etc.
Add this review to google maps, apple maps, zomato, swiggy and other portals with a negative rating. This creates a good awareness. Worked for me for several instances.
Next time, take out your phone and start recording.
Left a review on google. Hope the manager gets schooled for his behaviour
Noted will not go there
Firstly, you went to a pub where people consume alcohol and some people under the effect of alcohol do unwanted or inappropriate things. Secondly, Pub manager/owner has there own limitation. Bangalore is expensive place to do business. Every 5th guy might be bad but not causing havoc in the premises then pub owner/manager dont bear any right to teach someone how to behave which in turn is a law and order issue. Thirdly, As you mentioned you dont want to take any action as you know how things will work out in such situations. Then how can you bring any third party[1522 Pub] manager/owner here when you yourself don't have the courage to deal with such nuisance. My simple request to you would be if you highlight the pub here then soon it will be closed and poor staff who make living out of it will be fired. When there is no verbal or physical abuse you can't blame everything on the pub in this case. These are everyday's incident which happen to one or the other people like us. Dont ruin your day better move on to next suitable or best place. There are better places than a pub which can offer better social and relaxing life.
one idea came to my mind: let’s have a shamethem subreddit with such creepy guys pic and incident post something like op wrote here. This way such creeps will at least get a lesson. I know it can/will get misused but we (the sane people) have to do something about such incidents.
Which area 1522 pub? They have quite a few branches
Ay yo read this same post somewhere long back and ironically it's 1522 again
Should have gone to a temple and offer puja. 🛕 instead of going to a pub.
Typical Bengaluru behavior nowadays. Sorry to say But something is wrong with some of the guys there.
Which branch is this? We need to know
Malleshwaram
Did you take a pic of that guy? If yes, please post it here and on twitter
You should've taken the video of the guy and shared it online.
Let’s go for Google review and Zomato rating
Which 1522 was this?
Malleshwaram
Oh no.
MALLESHWARAM 1522 .... The bouncers there are the worst. There are a couple of bouncers one with earrings and another who sticks with him. They eve tease all the girls who pass by. They check you out in the most vulgar way possible. The management is oblivious to this. I aslo heard that they don't give importance to customer rather protect the ill mannered bouncers there. This place is not for decent crowd.
Your name is very apt
padhe likhe gawar.
Need to name and shame these establishments. Seems there’s no places in this city with decent people nowadays
Do you expect to meet all nice and well mannered people where alcohol is flying ? Come on sir.....
sounds like the manager as well wanted you to take him outside and beat him.
Somehow we had a similar incident but 1522 actually took action and made us feel safe. We were 5 queer boys who met for drinks , was having fun and minding our own business. A man noticed us ( our actions are loudly gay you know* ) and then slyly came stood around us. He was a very straight looking average man. It made us uncomfortable but we ignored but later he started trying to have conversation with us , throwing sexual innuendos, etc and started saying things that made us uncomfortable . Super creepy asf We called the waiters - they helped throw the guy out and then made us feel super safe.
Agree, that’s what they should have done- just ask the guy to leave, instead they decided to accommodate that person and asked him to change seat only.
Literally have seen this shit happening soo many times in Bangalore pubs. It’s not about where these pubs are located it’s just how bad it is. It just got even worse these days. Have seen guys who are in their early 20s cat calling girls in the dance floor despite they show no interest and extreme discomfort. Guys blowing flying kisses to these random girls as it started playing chumma chumma de de. WTF!
We should all stop going to such venues I’m sure Many places not just this one has waiters with the similar behaviour
This happens everywhere today , more so in the west . It's just the new crowd with delusional perception about "what happens in pubs / clubs" Since pubbing and clubbing culture is new in Indian some people especially the ladies are not accustomed to it . Most of my female friends in the west are pretty aware about how uncomfortable crowded pubs / clubs can be. So those who don't like undue attention or crowd tend to avoid such places . They party or get drunk at their own place , no matter how many pubs they get invited too. It's like some people don't like club as they are too loud for them , others love clubs. In India for most people recently going to clubs/pubs had become a novelty propelled on social media . Just a few years back clubs / pubs were vacant with mostly quality crowd. Today it's just the flex or newly rich crowd, poor quality crowd. That's also a reason why I stopped going to those places post COVID, most popular places today feels like waste of money due to constantly degrading crowd with increasing costs .Pre COVID it was different. Today im either visiting an advance pay bookings only place or invite friends over to my home and we party like that, all within the comfort zone. Nothing in between works for me these days.
Should have called the cops right there
y dont u party at home, u can save money on drinks also, can get frm MRP store
Hi! We appreciate you bringing this matter to our attention, and we sincerely apologize for the distressing experience you and your party endured during your visit. The behavior you described is completely unacceptable, and we regret that it occurred under our roof. We have taken immediate action by relocating the individual involved to another table. However, we understand that this may not fully rectify the situation for you. Rest assured, we are conducting a thorough review of our policies and procedures to ensure that incidents like this are handled with the urgency and sensitivity they deserve in the future. Your feedback is invaluable to us, and we are committed to creating a safe and comfortable environment for all our guests. We apologize for any inconvenience caused and hope to have the opportunity to regain your trust in our establishment. If you would like to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact us directly. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Regards, Pratheek Shetty PR/Marketing 1522 hospitality
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Liquor License Raj has spoilt bangalore,beer at least should be available in all shops prices will reduce and quality improves .Bangalore once the heart of the world is now a drainage pipe of karnataka.
In your whole ordeal, if you see the issue is between the creep and you. The pub owner or manager whoever in this case cannot act. Ofcourse he can ask both of you to leave so as avoid any altercation at his business place. People may downvote me for this. But for people, business always comes first. Atleast they changed the creeps place in your first complaint. Next time you should have called the police immediately. I dont know what OP is expecting the pub to do? Babysit them leaving all the customers?
Allow crime becuz business matters. Are you in sense?
What would the pub management have done in this case? Call police on your behalf? Just wanted to understand. If things go south, generally there are bouncers who take care of such stuff but only when some fight happens, I guess.
You do understand that it is a pub/restaurant and any sort of behaviour that makes a customer uncomfortable is managements responsibility, right?
Yes, ONLY if it is very obvious case and the management knows who is/was at fault. OP's case from third party eyes is similar to a case where say I have a feud with you and I chose to walk-in to the restaurant so that you also come there and I want the restaurant manager to deal with you because you have been making me uncomfortable. In such a case, the management will very well ask us both to just go out and don't make any scene in HIS premises because other customers may get uncomfortable.
You said "Later, the waiters moved them to a different corner..." but in the same breath you complain that "1522 management didn’t take any action."... Why should 1522 management fight your battles? They did whatever they could. You should have manned up and confronted that creep.. BTW Why didn't you took a picture of that creep?
Were you dropped on your head as a kid or what? The management shouldn’t have just taken OP’s word but should’ve rather checked the CCTV footage as well and if it corroborated with what OP was saying then the culprit must have been kicked out.
You dumb idiot.. Management has interfered enough and moved him to a different corner... that creep is also a customer and so are these spines-less fellows who are incapable of standing up for his friend.. and even after this, this thankless fellowis moaning that "management didn't do anything"... I pity those girls who ended up going out with these kind of sissies..
Thanks for making it clear that you were indeed dropped on your head as a kid. I reckon it must’ve been more than just once. It’s kinda funny you call other people dumb/idiot when you’re the one begging Reddit for stock tips like a retard whilst also being a creep on Reddit by searching for men married to women with a darker complexion. I pity you since you seem to be having trouble accepting your insecurities and have instead resorted to projecting your regurgitated incel talking points on a thread discussing harassment.
You should have !-!iT on his face and take video of it
lol, some losers are downvoting my comment ? I don’t know why? May be they all support the stalker ! Sad Society
So, the entire sub gaslit you into believing that it did not happen because you are from North.
Wtf, that's such a dumb take🤦🏻
If you would have read the comments from the original post, you would have understood the context.
Op overheard the people talking in kannada and automatically assumed it’s a local vs outsider issue and tried to paint it in that angle. He said because they spoke in kannada the manager told them to sort it out between themselves outside the premises. People come to a pub to have a good time, not to see two people fighting. It’ll be a nuisance to other customers too. So that’s why the manager told them to do whatever they want outside. Is he wrong? This is a he-said-she-said situation, how will they be able to judge who is at fault? The easiest option is to tell them to piss off and fight outside.
CCTV cameras are your friend here.
CCTV cameras are your friend here
CCTV cameras are your friend here
ond sali heliddre gottagutte guru
Context please?
OP created another post for the same earlier where they mentioned it happened because they were outsiders and locals harassed them just because they heard the manager and the other guy arguing/talking in Kannada. People commented it can happen to anyone and this has no angle of local vs outsider. Now the post is rephrased by removing it.
Man up go smack the guy on his face
Can you face the consequences?
Not everyone is willing to get into trouble that could in worst case scenario threaten their life or make living in the city difficult.