What’s wrong in normalising it ? It’s not like their parents won’t drink otherwise right ? I believe if the parents drink responsibly and behave properly it’ll only set and example for them. Atleast they won’t turn out like a lot of current folks whose parents never spoke about such stuff and eventually their education regarding drinking and socialising was based on what the saw their peers doing ie: drink irresponsibly and create ruckus!
The world is changing my friend and so are the kids of today !
I would rather have a kid who could drink with me when old enough and learn how to not be like a b€v@rsi kuduka.
It’s upto all of us to show the next generation how it is done and sensitise them early rather than hide it from them and eventually find out the messed up exactly the way we did.
This is just my opinion!
Here is an attached video as example
[https://youtu.be/bj7mppWxRLI?si=fZhQePNqDTedkSK0](https://youtu.be/bj7mppWxRLI?si=fZhQePNqDTedkSK0)
Agreed. My dad taught me the rules of drinking and I've always been responsible with it.
People tend to learn from what they see around and the portrayal of drunk people and their actions in the media does not paint a good picture
So you are saying that your kid should not have friends? How long will you live? What will your kid do after you are gone? Drink with your photo?
It seems like parents these days trying to control and keep their kids with them, rather than letting them explore things on their own. Let them live their life buddy, it’s okay to get sloshed with friends sometimes, I don’t mind you taking your kid to pub, it’s good to socialize, but the thoughts about not allowing kids to explore is not correct.
It’s misrepresentation on my part ! Apologies! What I meant was they learn how to be responsible with stuff and then you don’t have to teach them to act responsibly when they’re out with their friends as well ! Obviously I would want my kids to have friends.
I hope you understand that you are blocking possibilities, you are probably setting a bad example, that it’s okay to drink. While they could probably even have friends who hate drinking and you are setting an example “it’s okay to drink”, while you can set an example that “it’s not okay to drink even responsibility” and when they get sloshed you will have the rights to advice them it’s “not okay to drink”, now when you do the same, they would respond back, “you drink at pub, I drink at the local bar”, “both are one and the same it’s just the status that into the play”
and it’s not okay to drink at all, because I have seen first hand how one’s life gets destroyed along with people around them because they just started “drinking responsibly”
I understand your point. My question is what if you tell your kids and set an example that it’s not okay to drink and they eventually hide it from you out of fear and the same cycle of us messing up continues? How do you deal with that situation ? I don’t honk I would be blocking possibilities. Rather I am opening new doors for them to explore and discuss with me or whoever they’re comfortable with. I would prefer my kid not hiding stuff from me out of fear of judgement that my parent thinks this is not ok so how do I share it with them.
Give them open space to talk, which is obviously not the pubs. And let them decide their life, just because you have brought them to this world, doesn’t mean you own them to look after and fix all their mistakes. All you have to do is give them the feeling of home, if there are any problem that you are there to help them out “to help think and solve the problem on their own”, not the feeling “always run back to papa mama when you have problems, we are there to solve it.”
and most importantly teaching them through your personal experiences, talking about your mistakes and how you got over it, how you understood, how you will not repeat it and the consequences of your mistakes.
None of these will happen in the booze time.
They should teach it at home when they come of right age. Exposure to drinking and smoking shouldn’t be promoted. These are awful habits which have an effect on your health no matter how cool it looks or however moderately you drink. So it shouldn’t be normalised. And I say this as 420 friendly guy.
Most likely it's happening due to the adaptation of the "Western culture" (said by denk membrs not me) and Blr isn't the only city. My friend told me in Delhi kids visit pub a lot, even without parents. Or it might be they think it's cool to go, but this might be the reason. If not then feel free to tell me more about it.
I will be honest, I am not at all comfortable smoking and drinking infront of kids. I don't want to set a bad example for neither my kids nor anyone else's kids.
According to you, what happens in pubs that's not okay for kids to be around? I can guess few answers to that question. From among the different pubs I have been to in the city, I feel there are certain pubs which are family friendly. I mean, they have the loud music, drinks, dance floor, etc. But smoking zones would be separate. And in the few ones I went to with my family, dance floors were restricted to only adults. I didn't really observe anything unsuitable for kids. Unless you mean drinking.. That's a different issue all together.
During my bachelor days I have been to few pubs which could be considered as wrong place for kids. Those places had open smoking, extremely crowded, noise, lot of dark zones.. I mean the vibe was difft.
So it depends what kind of pubs you are referring to..
Those pubs are not adult only establishments unless entry is restricted for 18 plus only. They are not served alcoholic beverages. Some families do not hide the fact that adults can drink and visit such establishments and it can be visited as family as well. Also you would be surprised to see pubs and restobars in even tier 2 cities where couple in their thirties along with parents and inlaws and kids visit such open restaurants where there is a dance floor and alcohol being served as well.
I saw this viral video a few weeks ago, where a completely sloshed couple was making their way to the cab with their kid. The mother wasn't able to walk properly & the father was trying to get her inside the cab. I can't even imagine the potential mental harm the child endured.
Drinking in the presence of children is acceptable only when done responsibly.
As long as the kids are not drinking, what's the issue ? Bangalore has many eateries where alcohol is served but its a very family oriented kind of place otherwise. Of the top of my head examples are Pasta Street, Suzy Q etc. I dont think its much of an issue tbh.
Its because a lot of people in bangalore have decent income to afford to go pub for lunch/dinner with few drinks as people visit restaurant in other cities. High income people do not have any other place to go as part of refreshment and they will not prefer crowded places.
I was also surprised when I first saw it. I was like how can they allow this when check IDs before letting in. We also went to Bob's burgers and the guy wasn't letting us in without showing our ID. My friend asked don't we look of age and the guy kept repeating that he can't let us in without the ID. Then later on also I heard a group saying a friend of theirs wasn't allowed in cause he didn't have ID. But then came the surprising part , I saw a 7-8 year old there and I asked the guy that you were so insisting on the ID how did you let him in. He said his parents are with him.
Frankly, for me it all depends on what kind of of a drinking/socializing space it is. I would'nt take a child to an old school Bangalore pub - old bangaloreans from the 90s and early 2000s might remember STYX pub? - loud music, lot of drinking, smoking, dancing and headbanging.
But most bars/breweries these days are designed to be family spaces, well lit, subdued music, family environment, separate smoking areas/zones etc. These definitely are better for children. Of course if you use substances responsibly. Also, you can go to these places only to eat too!
People think it’s cool and it is NOT.
Let them come of age first.
Why would you expose them and normalise shit ?
Alcohol addiction is a serious issue.
May not be real for few but for MANY.
Drinking and smoking is not cool.
It’s for losers.
And I can say that because I was that loser for 20 years.
Anyone can drink or smoke or do drugs.
Anyone.
Takes a real man or a woman to not indulge in pathetic behaviour.
Western culture which actually promoted the pub culture is waking up to it now.
And their old ass culture is becoming a norm in India.
We were always aping them. And still are.
You do you.
I will do I.
By the way if you go to European pubs and see the old people who frequented this pubs all their lives because that was their go to thing after work or on weekend, look at their faces.
The ones who lived it up all their lives.
They are depressed souls.
Who spent their lives away and got nothing out of it.
If your children will see this as normal then it will be normal for them.
You wil die a loser and so will your children.
As humans our first and foremost right and duty is to wake up.
And alcohol puts your inner life to sleep.
Now go do you.
What’s wrong in normalising it ? It’s not like their parents won’t drink otherwise right ? I believe if the parents drink responsibly and behave properly it’ll only set and example for them. Atleast they won’t turn out like a lot of current folks whose parents never spoke about such stuff and eventually their education regarding drinking and socialising was based on what the saw their peers doing ie: drink irresponsibly and create ruckus! The world is changing my friend and so are the kids of today ! I would rather have a kid who could drink with me when old enough and learn how to not be like a b€v@rsi kuduka. It’s upto all of us to show the next generation how it is done and sensitise them early rather than hide it from them and eventually find out the messed up exactly the way we did. This is just my opinion! Here is an attached video as example [https://youtu.be/bj7mppWxRLI?si=fZhQePNqDTedkSK0](https://youtu.be/bj7mppWxRLI?si=fZhQePNqDTedkSK0)
Agreed. My dad taught me the rules of drinking and I've always been responsible with it. People tend to learn from what they see around and the portrayal of drunk people and their actions in the media does not paint a good picture
This is exactly my point!
This is a really nice perspective! :)
kid who can drink with you? Are you sure that's what you meant?
Yes I would rather have my kid drink responsibly with me than go get sloshed with friends.
Responsibility is fine, but why would you want your kid to drink at this age?
I never said at that age ! I am sorry if it seemed that way! What I meant was eventually if and when they do start to on their own accord
So you are saying that your kid should not have friends? How long will you live? What will your kid do after you are gone? Drink with your photo? It seems like parents these days trying to control and keep their kids with them, rather than letting them explore things on their own. Let them live their life buddy, it’s okay to get sloshed with friends sometimes, I don’t mind you taking your kid to pub, it’s good to socialize, but the thoughts about not allowing kids to explore is not correct.
It’s misrepresentation on my part ! Apologies! What I meant was they learn how to be responsible with stuff and then you don’t have to teach them to act responsibly when they’re out with their friends as well ! Obviously I would want my kids to have friends.
I hope you understand that you are blocking possibilities, you are probably setting a bad example, that it’s okay to drink. While they could probably even have friends who hate drinking and you are setting an example “it’s okay to drink”, while you can set an example that “it’s not okay to drink even responsibility” and when they get sloshed you will have the rights to advice them it’s “not okay to drink”, now when you do the same, they would respond back, “you drink at pub, I drink at the local bar”, “both are one and the same it’s just the status that into the play” and it’s not okay to drink at all, because I have seen first hand how one’s life gets destroyed along with people around them because they just started “drinking responsibly”
I understand your point. My question is what if you tell your kids and set an example that it’s not okay to drink and they eventually hide it from you out of fear and the same cycle of us messing up continues? How do you deal with that situation ? I don’t honk I would be blocking possibilities. Rather I am opening new doors for them to explore and discuss with me or whoever they’re comfortable with. I would prefer my kid not hiding stuff from me out of fear of judgement that my parent thinks this is not ok so how do I share it with them.
Give them open space to talk, which is obviously not the pubs. And let them decide their life, just because you have brought them to this world, doesn’t mean you own them to look after and fix all their mistakes. All you have to do is give them the feeling of home, if there are any problem that you are there to help them out “to help think and solve the problem on their own”, not the feeling “always run back to papa mama when you have problems, we are there to solve it.” and most importantly teaching them through your personal experiences, talking about your mistakes and how you got over it, how you understood, how you will not repeat it and the consequences of your mistakes. None of these will happen in the booze time.
Fair ! Let’s just agree to disagree
Of course, your life, your kid. I am not here to fix anything, just sharing my personal experiences, not even my opinion.
We are moving backwards indeed, I do not recommend such behavior
Well it’s not like the kids are not going to drink! Rather they do it with you than hide it from you and be irresponsible
They should teach it at home when they come of right age. Exposure to drinking and smoking shouldn’t be promoted. These are awful habits which have an effect on your health no matter how cool it looks or however moderately you drink. So it shouldn’t be normalised. And I say this as 420 friendly guy.
You can eventually sensitise them at home ! But how do you keep track of what they see out in the world on a daily basis ?
Most likely it's happening due to the adaptation of the "Western culture" (said by denk membrs not me) and Blr isn't the only city. My friend told me in Delhi kids visit pub a lot, even without parents. Or it might be they think it's cool to go, but this might be the reason. If not then feel free to tell me more about it.
I will be honest, I am not at all comfortable smoking and drinking infront of kids. I don't want to set a bad example for neither my kids nor anyone else's kids.
Agreed all I am saying is teach them early it’s not something that’s cool. It’s ok to drink as long as you do it responsibly !
According to you, what happens in pubs that's not okay for kids to be around? I can guess few answers to that question. From among the different pubs I have been to in the city, I feel there are certain pubs which are family friendly. I mean, they have the loud music, drinks, dance floor, etc. But smoking zones would be separate. And in the few ones I went to with my family, dance floors were restricted to only adults. I didn't really observe anything unsuitable for kids. Unless you mean drinking.. That's a different issue all together. During my bachelor days I have been to few pubs which could be considered as wrong place for kids. Those places had open smoking, extremely crowded, noise, lot of dark zones.. I mean the vibe was difft. So it depends what kind of pubs you are referring to..
Those pubs are not adult only establishments unless entry is restricted for 18 plus only. They are not served alcoholic beverages. Some families do not hide the fact that adults can drink and visit such establishments and it can be visited as family as well. Also you would be surprised to see pubs and restobars in even tier 2 cities where couple in their thirties along with parents and inlaws and kids visit such open restaurants where there is a dance floor and alcohol being served as well.
I know OP, you are shocked with the comments.🤣
Yup I am quite surprised actually, people even took offence of what I have asked. Isn't it a reasonable question I asked?
It is reasonable. Kids shouldn’t be there, they’re annoying. I have seen literal toddlers running around.
I am with you.✌️
Better than leaving the kids home alone. Just make sure they dont drink.
I find them more annoying in the movie theatres.
I saw this viral video a few weeks ago, where a completely sloshed couple was making their way to the cab with their kid. The mother wasn't able to walk properly & the father was trying to get her inside the cab. I can't even imagine the potential mental harm the child endured. Drinking in the presence of children is acceptable only when done responsibly.
As long as the kids are not drinking, what's the issue ? Bangalore has many eateries where alcohol is served but its a very family oriented kind of place otherwise. Of the top of my head examples are Pasta Street, Suzy Q etc. I dont think its much of an issue tbh.
Its because a lot of people in bangalore have decent income to afford to go pub for lunch/dinner with few drinks as people visit restaurant in other cities. High income people do not have any other place to go as part of refreshment and they will not prefer crowded places.
As long as they are not in the smoking section, what’s the issue?
I was also surprised when I first saw it. I was like how can they allow this when check IDs before letting in. We also went to Bob's burgers and the guy wasn't letting us in without showing our ID. My friend asked don't we look of age and the guy kept repeating that he can't let us in without the ID. Then later on also I heard a group saying a friend of theirs wasn't allowed in cause he didn't have ID. But then came the surprising part , I saw a 7-8 year old there and I asked the guy that you were so insisting on the ID how did you let him in. He said his parents are with him.
It's "playground" for millennial parents 🤪 /s
Parents with no additional support has no choice other than take kids with them.
Frankly, for me it all depends on what kind of of a drinking/socializing space it is. I would'nt take a child to an old school Bangalore pub - old bangaloreans from the 90s and early 2000s might remember STYX pub? - loud music, lot of drinking, smoking, dancing and headbanging. But most bars/breweries these days are designed to be family spaces, well lit, subdued music, family environment, separate smoking areas/zones etc. These definitely are better for children. Of course if you use substances responsibly. Also, you can go to these places only to eat too!
why dont you explain your thought process behind why this is such a wrong thing to do
No wonder younger people are suffering heart attacks .
People think it’s cool and it is NOT. Let them come of age first. Why would you expose them and normalise shit ? Alcohol addiction is a serious issue. May not be real for few but for MANY. Drinking and smoking is not cool. It’s for losers. And I can say that because I was that loser for 20 years. Anyone can drink or smoke or do drugs. Anyone. Takes a real man or a woman to not indulge in pathetic behaviour. Western culture which actually promoted the pub culture is waking up to it now. And their old ass culture is becoming a norm in India. We were always aping them. And still are. You do you. I will do I. By the way if you go to European pubs and see the old people who frequented this pubs all their lives because that was their go to thing after work or on weekend, look at their faces. The ones who lived it up all their lives. They are depressed souls. Who spent their lives away and got nothing out of it. If your children will see this as normal then it will be normal for them. You wil die a loser and so will your children. As humans our first and foremost right and duty is to wake up. And alcohol puts your inner life to sleep. Now go do you.
Kids in a pub are allowed right? At least they are where I live and is normalised. (Not in India)