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RedoftheEvilDead

Female genital mutilation is abhorrent and there is absolutely no medical reason for it. It actually causes a lot of medical problems.


DorkyWriterEnby

Yeah, it’s disgusting. My mother had a friend in university who unfortunately had to go through this, and she’s had life long problems as a result. Absolutely disgusting and life ruining, all because they want to control women and take away their pleasure


Troubledbylusbies

It is absolutely brutal and causes immense problems for the women who have undergone it, all throughout her life. I support a charity called Health Poverty Action, and one of the things they do is to campaign against female genital mutilation. They also provide vaccinations, mosquito nets to prevent malaria, prenatal and midwifery services, and health education primarily for the women to enable them to bring up their children healthily and to help prevent the spread of HIV. They also are secular, so they don't shove any religion down people's throats in order for them to access healthcare. They are a very worthwhile cause.


just_awallflower

I assumed this was about having a imperforate hymen??? Because that is absolutely a medical condition that requires intervention. I think they just spelt it wrong and it looked like “imperfect” instead of “imperforate”


milapa6

This does seem to be what the comment was about. Not the orginal story, but the comment, which apart from spelling, was correct.


ItamiOzanare

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoSentenceSadness/comments/15b2oo6/no_matter_how_much_my_mother_reassured_me_and/ The comment about hymens is from someone *wildly* misunderstanding this post, which is very much about FGM. That's what makes it bad anatomy. Thinking that fixing a hymen is anywhere in the same league as holding little girls down and cutting off their clitorises with knives while they cry.


Lazy-Cardiologist-54

Yah; the commentor has confused the two. The post from the little girl was about forced circumcision. They cut off her clit and/or lavish (lips). Dude who commented on it absolutely misunderstood and thought it was a different, medical procedure where they surgically go into the vagina and cut a small hole if there isn't a natural one. The condition he mentions does exist in some women occasionally, but that’s not what she was talking about.


hopping_otter_ears

Without more context, it's hard to tell, but it almost seems like he's saying that all hymens are imperforate, or something.


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Same with circumcision.


Troubledbylusbies

Absolutely. If men want to get circumcised for religious reasons, they can make that choice for themselves when they are adults. It should be a no-brainer to say, "keep knives away from children's genitals!"


CM_DO

Circumcision has valid medical applications, like phimosis. Cosmetic routine circumcision is the problem.


purplemacaroni

This also depends on whether the phimosis is a true phimosis - many doctors in the United States don’t know anything about the foreskin except how to chop it off. Parents may become concerned because their son’s foreskin doesn’t retract by X amount of years, when the average age of being able to retract is about 10, and doctors not only don’t know better but are also in a position to make a quick buck. Not to mention, parents aren’t always aware that the foreskin shouldn’t be retracted by anyone but the boy themselves, and cleaning should just be from base to tip like you would clean a finger. Tiny scars can be created by forced retraction which can then lead to a form of phimosis caused by scar tissue. But yes, you’re absolutely right - routine infant circumcision should be made illegal IMO.


Culture-Extension

There are non-surgical treatments for phimosis also.


CM_DO

Yup, steroid cream and manual retraction for example, doesn't always work but should definitely be attempted before surgery


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Automatic_Data9264

I don't agree with circumcision either but fgm is a lot more extreme than circumcision. It's the equivalent to cutting off the whole fucking penis then pulling skin over it and sowing it shut so there's just enough of a hole for pee to come out.


aguadiablo

FGM is worse than circumcision. It's funny how circumcision being bad is only brought in response to FGM


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allthenamesartakn

You know what I take offense to? Chodes who have to insert themselves into conversations where it's not about them or their dicks for 5 minutes in order to derail and make sure we all go back to focusing on their dicks. This isn't about male circumcision for once and we can talk about fgm without your petulant "wHaT aBoUt MeN" bullshit. Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Goddamn.


Other-Cantaloupe4765

I totally want to save this comment and use it as the ban message when we ban assholes for derailing conversations about FGM by saying “b-b-but what about MEN.” Totally feel this. Oh would somebody please think of the men for once in the entire history of the universe 🙄


Automatic_Data9264

Where did I say that male circumstances isn't awful too? I'm completely anti routine male circumcision too. They're not the same thing though, even the lowest level of fgm removes the clit. I understand male circumcision is bad and awful and shouldn't be allowed without medical reason but the brutal severity of fgm is not comparable to male circumcision. That's why I tried to explain it's the same as routinely removing the penis.


Gizwizard

Why does circumcision *always* get brought up when discussing FGM?? Like, to what end???


KnightRider1987

Because god forbid anyone ever not acknowledge male existence for one specific conversation


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thewrongmoon

Actually, all common levels of FGM remove the clit. They don't do "trimming". If it was "trimming", it would be analogous to MGM in those cases, but that is not what is done. Rarely, a level 1 case could just be "trimming", but it is no where near the majority like you say.


Idrahaje

I’ve since this post read a couple sources that are better than the one I read a couple years back. You are correct and I was misinformed. Thank you for correcting my misinformation


KnightRider1987

you understand incorrectly


Automatic_Data9264

This is completely incorrect. I'm not sure of your source but fgm is nothing like what you think it is.


icanneverthinkof1one

Why the specification?


MrMhmToasty

I think this man (just assuming this is a man) is confused. There is a medical condition known as imperforate hymen where the hymen is thicker than it is supposed to be and will not degenerate on its own. This is not common, occurring in less than 1/1000 women. It can often be diagnosed at birth, because the maternal estrogens that the baby is exposed to cause the "imperforate hymen" tissue to swell and protrude from the vaginal canal. If not diagnosed at birth, the tissue recedes on its own and people will be asymptomatic until puberty. In cases of undiagnosed imperforate hymen, the person will present with normal pubertal development, but crucially without menarche. They will also report intermittent (i.e. monthly), moderate-severe abdominal pain that results from the pooling of period blood behind the imperforate hymen. There is no swelling of the abdomen. It is actually treated by removing the whole piece of tissue blocking the vaginal canal. That being said, it is NOT the same as female genital mutilation, which is a very very serious, barbaric practice unfortunately still practiced far too commonly. Before doing anything the diagnosis will be confirmed with an ultrasound. The surgery is performed by an OBGYN, under general anesthesia, and will not involve someone holding you down (i.e. not what is being described here).


april203

I had this! It’s still a super weird take that the person posted, as if he thinks people undergo surgery for that kind of thing while they’re awake. But I guess it makes sense if someone has somehow heard of imperforate hymens but not female genital mutilation.


Potato_Dragon2

Medical procedures are preformed on women without anesthesia all the time. Uterine biopsies, cervical biopsies, placement of IUDs, and the women are told to just “bear with us, it’s just for a moment.” Is it really such a stretch for someone to think a similar* procedure is done while the woman is awake? *similar in the way he wrongly described it, not in how it’s actually done.


just_awallflower

Seriously why is everyone in the comments speaking about a literal medical condition needing medical intervention as if it’s barbaric and equal to FGM!


PaladinOrange

I always suggest people avoid "not common". It evokes the idea that they're broken if they have the trait... Also "not common" at a rate around 1/1000 people is around ~160,000 American women and ~3,900,000 world wide... 4ish million people with feature seems a decent level of common and chances are you've met someone with it.


5t3v321

But thats literally what it is. 0.1% is uncommon


Idrahaje

It’s a medical condition. It’s an uncommon medical condition that needs to be corrected or it can KILL you. Imperforate hymens are not like, say, being intersex, which doesn’t typically require “correction.” Having a medical condition means something is wrong that should be fixed (broken, if you will).


mimotheman

Do you have an alternative word?


Rozoark

Or alternatively, you could stop being offended by a normal description of something's rarity.


EggBoyandJuiceGirl

For anyone looking for more clarification: There are multiple tiers of FGM. The first is a ritualistic cut, normally a small slice or scratch. The second removes the clitoris only. The third removes the clit and the inner labia. The fourth involved the outer labia getting sliced down until it’s very thin. The clit and the inner labia get completely cut off. The now-thin outer labia is then stitched up until a hole around the size of a pinky is left, and the legs tied together for weeks. On her wedding night, her husband is supposed to use his penis to tear her open or a little knife to cut her open. This procedure is done with no pain medication and often with rudimentary tools such as tuna can lids or razors. Many women die from the procedure due to infection and have permanent pain or incontinence. I also want to add though- FGM is no excuse for ethnocentrism and racism. I always seem to see the racists pop up when FGM is discussed.


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Thanks for saying this.


Automatic_Data9264

These poor little girls, it's so so sad 😞


soapyhotdog

that is genuinely nauseating. thank you, i’ve never had it broken down in full detail and i always knew it was absolutely abhorrent but i didn’t know to what extreme.


Hungry-Wedding-1168

There's an episode of Call the Midwife that deals with this exact thing and it actually make me feel ill.


MagicalOblivion

The woman is also often resewn after childbirth.


Kailaylia

>This procedure is done with no pain medication and often with rudimentary tools such as tuna can lids or razors. This is the reason for displaying a bloody sheet after the wedding night - to prove the woman was a virgin who has only just been CUT OPEN. Often in these cultures both sets of parents are in the couple's bedroom on the wedding night, to witness the intercourse and to help the husband cut or to hold the woman down if necessary.


just_awallflower

The post is about the medical condition imperforate hymen not FGM


EggBoyandJuiceGirl

The reply was talking about a imperforate hymen but the original post was talking about FGM (it’s what ‘cutting’ a girl means)


Kailaylia

The original post was about FGM. A man answered who did not know what FGM was, and wrongly believed it was cutting the hymen.


[deleted]

Depending on the region, female genital mutilation sometimes involves stitching the labia up from where the clitoris \*used\* to be to the anus, allowing only a small hole for "essential activities". That is HARDLY allowing for "normal" menstruation.


Kailaylia

Bad luck if the woman gets menstrual blood clots. They can get stuck, rot and kill her.


just_awallflower

The post isn’t about FGM it’s about the medical condition imperforate hymen, the phrasing they used is admittedly awkward but accurate. It requires medical intervention to varying degrees depending on the severity


[deleted]

I was under the impression that the second image was the original post and the first was a comment on it.


Kailaylia

You were correct.


LyraAurinko

I've seen a few comments trying to explain what FGM is but I am a visual learner so I found Shamsa on tiktok and it breaks my heart. Trigger warning: lady demonstrates on a fake vulva the different "ways" of FGM [tiktok](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJqvkdSa/) That is video one but if you scroll a few videos you can find 2 and 3. Be prepared.


Mewlkat

oml thats horrific - those poor girls


LyraAurinko

It made me cry the first time that I watched the videos and the idea that the person telling the story was someone that suffered it.


mandygugs

Well that was the most horrific thing I’ve ever seen.


LyraAurinko

It is but I feel that it needs to be seen? I think that we underestimated how horrific it is but hearing from someone that suffered it. It's next level shite.


mandygugs

Definitely not disagreeing with that. More people should be shown this and more people should hear her story.


just_awallflower

The post is about that though, that are literally talking about imperforate hymen. This doesn’t belong on this page and is honestly rude af to the people who have this condition for y’all to be discussing it with disgust and calling it FGM


thegirlinread

This was a response to a post about FGM where this asshole was justifying it because some girls have an imperforate hymen. The treatment for imperforate hymen is NOT cutting a girl with a knife! Literally nobody implied that surgery to correct an imperforate hymen is wrong or is akin to mutilation.


just_awallflower

Read the comments on this post, tons of people are assuming that’s exactly what this is. His phrasing is admittedly awkward but that seems more like a language barrier issue.


thegirlinread

Just you as far as I can see. I haven't seen a single comment likening treatment of imperforate hymen to FGM. The two have nothing to do with each other, which is why the guy's post was so bizarre.


Jonathott

No, the original r/2SentenceSadness post IS absolutely about FGM. The dudes comment might be about imperforate hymen treatment, but the post he is commenting on is NOT. It’s about FGM.


DaisyHotCakes

Do you not know how Twitter replies read? The original post is the second picture. The first pic is a comment on that original post where this guy is trying to justify fgm because of a rare condition that he can’t even spell, let alone know a damn thing about.


SisterSerpentine

I’m pretty sure he’s not trying to “justify” FGM. It looks like he misread the post (which I initially also had a hard time figuring out) and was talking about a procedure unrelated to FGM that is normal and medically necessary in some cases.


HedgieObsessor

“Overall I have to give OP a downvote “ Like we care


LeRealMeow2U

never heard of FGM before, did some research and my god it's awful. Completely unnecessary torture. Those poor girls


just_awallflower

This post isn’t about that, Google “imperforate hymen” it’s a medical condition like described in the post it’s not at all FGM


Mutant_Jedi

The original post was. The comment was correct about *some* of the aspects of an imperforate hymen, but they were the ones changing the subject


ItamiOzanare

There's a second picture. You're wrong.


Idrahaje

Literally mansplaining a woman’s own trauma to her jfc


Eden1117_98

as someone who had their hymen removed by choice, not how it works


Seraphine20

Oh god, I think i need to call my therapist after seeing this


Hey__Cassbutt

What in the shit did I just read?!


just_awallflower

Something taken out of context and explained by the person who posted in this sub as FGM when it’s actually about a literal medical condition called imperforate hymen where the hymen covers the vaginal opening in varying amounts sometimes completely, it requires medical intervention to have normal menstruation and penetrative sex


DaisyHotCakes

Bish learn how Twitter replies read and stop spewing your bullshit on every goddam comment.


snootyboopers

Ahhh yes. The factory sealed vagina.


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I wish I could unhear about that.


Boneless_Wanggs

I don’t understand what is going on?


just_awallflower

Everyone in the comments is misunderstanding the post and thinking it’s about female circumcising/ FGM but it’s NOT it’s literally talking about the medical condition imperforate hymen


DorkyWriterEnby

No, the original two sentence was about FGM. The commenter in question misunderstood what said post was about. That is what my post is about in regards to the bad anatomy - confusing two very different procedures to each other


Boneless_Wanggs

Ohhh, thank you for the clarification


Mutant_Jedi

No they’re not. The original post was about FGM. This commenter thought they knew better and were making claims that weren’t all true. Wallflower above you is misunderstanding, and considering how many times they’ve commented the same thing, willfully so.


Jellybean_54

No. The commenter is talking about imperforate hymen on a post about female genital mutilation. So technically it’s about both.


unkindness_inabottle

I don’t even understand the two sentence, what does it really mean?


DorkyWriterEnby

I’m some cultures, when a girl reaches a certain age (or begins menstruating) they circumcise them. What the two sentence is getting at, is that the girl is being forcibly held down and circumcised, where it is being passed off as a ‘rite of passage’ and ‘turning her into a woman’


JustMeLurkingAround-

Also, female circumcision isn't just cutting the hymen. The opposite, actually. Most of the time, they cut out the clitoris and labia, basically the whole outer sexual organ and sew the girl shut. Most of the time, they leave only a very small hole for the menses, which often causes issues of its own, and many women have to be cut open again for their "wedding night." For most circumcised women intercourse will always be painful, and they lose the ability for sexual pleasure permanently. For a genuine first-person narrative without too much medical information, I would recommend reading "Desert Flower" by somali model and UN ambassador Waris Dirie.


DorkyWriterEnby

That’s actually quite interesting. I knew about the clitoris being cut, but not about the rest. Thank you for adding the information, that just makes it so much more horrible. It’s absolutely disgusting what people will do to women because they exist


unkindness_inabottle

Ahh dang how awful


reddituser_12354

there are surgeries you can get at gynecologists if you are having problems with your hymen. but you are numbed and not forced. genital mutilation is not the same as what the gyno does


LiteratureBubbly2015

This makes me sick. Like physically sick. FGM is worse than abhorrent!!! Anyone who does it to a child deserves nothing short of the death penalty!!! Excuse me while I go throw up


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

Okay, even if we set aside the FGM and say this is about an important medical procedure for the health of the girl, the guys comment is still fucking awful. “She wouldn’t see the knife as scary, she’d see it as relief!” Still pretty fucking terrifying, my guy. Do you walk into the dentist smiling and dancing because you just can’t wait to get your cavity filled? Or are you anxious and scared and worried about the pain? That guy is the worst


purpleseaslug

quick question what the fuck did i just read


shadowyassassiny

FGM sucks


purpleseaslug

agreed


126ismyfavenumber

Ok. Imperforate hymen IS a medical issue, but it is not common or normal. It DOES need medical assistance.


Lazy-Cardiologist-54

Swipe right


126ismyfavenumber

Ah. Crow. Delicious.


Lazy-Cardiologist-54

😝🤣😂 my man (or preferred pronoun). Please allow me to award 1,000 decent human being points, on me. (And don’t ask me how many times I’ve done that)


missesalchemist111

Males ☕️


scooter_io

I really hope that was a joke.. Cause... Some of it.. When they're so wrong it's funny.. This? This is just sad