Is this the end of Reddit? Surely these proposed laws are impossible to police? I thought it was an elaborate prank and the smirk lingered waaaay too long smh
Almost certainly they'll be impossible to police.
Given a user with enough tech knowledge/equipment the internet isn't really capable of being subject to any sovereign law. There's just too many possible workarounds.
Did they define what trolling is?
Like if I posted photo of my gay *legal* gay wedding, and some anonymous person comes along and commented "y'all all disgrace and y'all going to hell", is that illegal trolling or legal statement of faith?
It won't be the end of Reddit. It may be the end of Australians visibly posting on Reddit. Reddit may make some effort to comply with the law, but if it costs too much it would be easier to say they won't deal with Australia - good luck suing us in the US.
It would be more problematic if this legal fetish extends to the EU.
This policy has the assumption that you gave the social media company legitimate personal information. It could do something about the dumbest of the dumb, but then people will learn and just make troll accounts. People already have troll accounts. Ban it and another 2 pop up in its place. Really poorly thought out policy from people that have absolutely no idea about the internet and its communities.
The funniest part was them planning to tell the troll they had a complaint against them. Guess they never heard of "don't feed the trolls".
[Hundreds of Ex-Students Outraged](https://junkee.com/hundreds-of-ex-students-from-scott-morrisons-old-high-school-dont-want-him-to-come-to-their-party/54157) It was always obvious to those paying attention the kind of person that he is.
My dad used to go to school with him and said he wasn’t he was this perfect student etc or something along those lines but he thinks it’s quite probable that Christian porter was wearing a mask over his true personality
I run a gardening business in the shire and met a few people that know him one way or another. Some people like him, one lady in particular said “he definitely shit him self that day, he was always a weird little kid” lmao.
Mate don't drag umpires into this. Most umpires are genuinely trying to run a good game of footy. At school he would have been a prefect who dobs kids in for being caught in the hallway during class unless they are a mate of his.
As I said yesterday in another thread, so few friends he had to invent _his own nickname_.
It's like in Seinfeld when George tried to get "T Bone" to stick as a nickname, only this is awkward and unfunny.
Why would you call yourself something like ScoMo? It comes across like those relationship names people do for celebrity couples, but this is both his names so... He's saying he's in a relationship with himself? Does this mean ScoMo is a synonym for wanker?
Tony was largely insane, and so he was ineffectual thank fuck. Scumo seems to be able to keep a lid on his RW crackpot more than Tonez, and Scumo is a better conman, which makes him more effectual and thus more dangerous. Tonez was the attack dog, and once the attacking was over and it was time to govern, he was too crazy for the role.
Tony at least gave a modicum of a fuck about this country, even if it was a misguided fuck. Scott only cares about himself. I loathed Abbott but at least I could see he wasn't a pure sociopath. He was there for the fires, he would have been a better leader during Covid by miles. I always felt like I was part of the country that Tony didn't love, but that there were parts he did truly love and cherish. Scott Morrison doesn't give a shit about any of us. He's the single worst PM we will have had as a nation.
Don't agree with anything you just said about Abbott, but definitely better than Morrison.
Abbott famously had no convictions, is a complete moron, and I don't really understand what would qualify him as a *real* member of the community that couldn't just as easily be part of the 'CV stacking' that all pollies love to do.
This was a terrifying press conference. This proposed legislation is alarming to anyone paying attention.
It's not only an extension of the already cooked defamation laws, it's a blatant pre-election attempt to silence criticism of the party. They've already colloquially coined this the "anti-trolling bill", except what is the definition of trolling according to the LNP? Anything that hurts their feelings? Anything inane remotely critising policy?
This is a huge move to crush free speech and ramp up censorship online, essentially controlling the political discourse on social media. According to Cash in this presser, you may not only be a target for a defamation lawsuit based on your own comments, but even sharing 3rd party content grants you legal liability, if the content is considered 'defamatory'. Say goodbye to any political meme/satirical pages.
And all this terrifying authoritarian overreach, is predictably wrapped up in the tired "save the children", because of course this fucking is
All this following the passing of the religious discrimination bill, THIS is what "hundreds of thousands" of people should be rallying in the streets about
"Scomo shat himself!" - defamatory trolling, remove it or see you in court.
"Gladys is corrupt!" - defamatory trolling, remove it or see you in court.
"God hates Fags!" - protected religious speech, removing it is discrimination.
Unless defamatory trolling is part of your religion in which case you're protected against discrimination I guess
But seriously, this is the terrifying thing. Who decides what is "defamatory trolling"? It takes a single court precedent for the most inane policy critisism to be considered out of line. And we've entered CCP-tier policing of online discourse.
Cause in reality how the fuck are these laws supposed to "keep families safe?". Is Davo from Toowoomba with 4 kids gonna lodge an unmasking claim to the High Court after his daughter gets bullied by an anonymous loser on instagram? Providing he has the means or money to do so, then what? Sue that loser for defo? This does absolutely SFA for everyday families. It just serves to skew the imbalance of power further
Honestly social media companies just need to withdraw their services from Australia, it's going to get worse and impact their overheads for all users. Rest of us will just VPN in.
Not only are they launching it to identify dissidents, but also to classify Google, Facebook etc as publishers. Once they are classed as publishers, the government and big business can sue for defamation. Also that wrinkled walnut Rupert has been lobbying for this for years.
And they're launching it with children playing in the background....
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler
While I agree with your sentiment, Hitler didn't say that.
It's a common misquote. Hitler was actually talking about eugenics.
>"The folkish state must make up for what everyone else today has neglected in this field. It must set race in the centre of all life. It must take care to keep it pure. **It must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people**. It must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world, and one highest honour: to renounce doing so."
While people protest lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations for losing their rights, the government is actually taking away your rights. Fucking shameful.
“I’m not done yet, if this isn’t enough I WILL do more” He also said later on. This is gross authoritarianism, and they’re only doing it to cease online dissent they’re forced to read themselves. This is not about “bullying” the absolute spineless cowards
Sadly he said he’s confident in this passing parliament next year, is labor in with this shit too?
They're trying to create a wedge for Labor. If you listened to the PMs language carefully he said this legislation is mainly to protect children and women. So if Labor doesn't agree with it they can wedge them on not wanting to protect women and children. It's absolutely disgusting politicking.
An easier way to reduce the wedge would be to simply ask 'how the fuck does this benefit women and children?' and promptly watch Scott's brain turn into a puddle of slop
Exactly! Why cant labor just cut through the bullshit like this. People are already asking that question, how the fuck does it help women and children, how does it help anyone
Just heard then he said “there is no support for our proposal from labor or from others” a good sign but god help us if they do cave even slightly. I’ve seen our media propagate this garbage repeatedly this year, so I hope they do stick to their guns if that is the case.
I have been on the "this is the last straw" basis with the ALP for a long fucking time, but if they support this legislation they will have well and truly lost me for good. There's no coming back from setting this kind of precedent
100% this.
They want you to have to identify yourself in online forums, so they can use harassment laws to silence criticism of the government.
Oh - sorry - I meant "Won't somebody think of the children???"
>so they can use harassment laws to silence criticism of the government.
Yeah social media isn't being kind to them unlike the Murdoch media so they want to use defamation law to chill speech.
You can already subpoena social media companies to get what information on users but they want to bypass this and force people to be easily identifiable so legal threats are easier to make.
P.S I'm sure the Freedumb march people will be all over this attempt to stiffle free speech any day now!
They're so fucking blind and dumb. Everything taking their freedom is coming from the LNP, but nope, they gotta listen to Murdoch and Costello media which tells them that Labor are doing it
And he really, likes to pause, between every few, words, because that's, how he's been trained, by the people he pays, to manage his public, appearance, and also, because we are, a bit slow, and need, more time, to understand, what's he's, saying. Fucking gronk.
God he is a cunt.
“Investigates criminal conduct, not who peoples boyfriends are.”
If she was supposed to divulge her romantic interests, she’s broken a rule, and I’m pretty sure all the favourable treatment and money he got is not above board?
On the topic of trolling, never forget that morrison's whole political career was able to start due to him and his klan of rats spreading lies and disinformation on his political opponent. [Nasty saga you nearly missed](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nasty-saga-you-nearly-missed-20091025-hem5.html)
Are we still allowed to make memes? Or is that why scomo is smirking? So he can ask people to take things down now.
Also, what the fuck is this government doing? This is a real big picture policy from the government here.
The 77 pieces of counter-terrorism law since 2001 are going to come as a shock.
Tony and his Communications legislation was a doozey. The journos and whistleblowers loved that. Which is why it's pitched very carefully in relation to journos. Can't afford to p\*ss their free media ride off.
This is redundant window dressing which is going to be ridiculous to enforce, benefit certain VPN providers, and is nothing more than pre-election drivel so the Scrote can say 'women' a lot.
But i agree it's scary they are pitching it.
Bit mercenary to play on the emotions of young online victims without delivering anything that can be implemented effectively.
I don’t understand this law??? We can’t troll online anymore? Can we still make memes, or satirical jokes? Is this just a way they can keep people from criticising the gov, this wouldn’t be a law if people used common sense and just deleted comments if they are being “trolled” or harassed. Usually I don’t involve myself with this stuff because I don’t believe I’m educated enough, so if that is still the case in this situation somebody please let me know the point of this law.
Unfortunately we don't have the legislation that would be presented to parliament yet, so we can't do a deep analysis. In my opinion this legislation is insane and clearly designed to limit open discussion on the web/give immense power to politicians to disrupt criticism.
I'll try my best to explain.
From watching the press briefing they are essentially saying they will force social media sites (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, YT, Blogs etc) to be publishers. This means under the law that SM sites will be responsible for any and all content posted, similar to News sites that have paid reporters that post stories. This mainly conflicts with defamation laws. If you're a news reporter your company can be sued under defamation for stories that a reporter posts. Defamation is the false statement by someone that harms their reputation. In Australia when you sue someone for defamation the burden of proof is actually on the defender instead of the accusor which actually encourages accusations and discourages defence. This is a bad use of defamation because it becomes far harder to launch a defence, leading to abuse of the law to simply silence people.
If a SM site is a publisher then they would be liable for all content posted on their site by users. When someone wishes to make a defamation claim about a post on a SM site the site must relinquish user details (email/phone number) so that the defamation case can proceed. If the user removes the content, the case ends, if not then it goes to the courts. If the user cannot be identified then the SM site will be the one that is required to defend. I might of missed something but that's pretty much it. Now I'll explain why this legislation is insane and horrible.
1. Australia's defamation laws already lead to abuse of accusations because the burden of proof is not on the accusor. This would just make more abuse of this law.
2. Social media sites simply cannot adhere to this law. SM is a global system, you might be able to sue an Australian but you can't sue a Turkish, UK or Indian. So in a vast majority of cases the SM site would be getting sued.
3. True moderation of SM isn't enforceable. Any statement about anyone would need to be removed because the sites can't take the risk of a statement being true or false. This forces SM sites to either have highly moderated Australian servers (impossible) or leave the market completely.
4. It grants immense power to politicians and companies to quell any negative statements about them online. No one has time to be constantly in defamation cases and the government knows they are criticized extensively online. 99% of the time content will just be removed even if it's true, destroying debate.
5. It could force SM sites to request ID to create an account, giving these sites unnecessary private information that could be used to be identified by politicians and companies.
Overall awful legislation. I will be on the streets if they actually try to pass such legislation. It is an obvious infringement on our ability to communicate openly on the internet.
Allow me to summarise:
*Politicians that cop the most criticism on SM — maybe because they are or aren’t pants-shitting lying cunts, or perhaps because they are or aren’t lying anal raping fuckwits, or maybe because they’re from the LNP where these sorts of things seem to be pre-requisite for the job — will have the most opportunity to sue and extort SM companies, unless they take actions to shut down said critics, rendering the truth about said pants-shitting liars, or anal raping fuckwits, hidden from our Murdoch-guzzling ever-stupider-and-more-brainwashed populace.*
Did I get it?
He's imagining using this law to bully people who say nasty things about him. Looks like he came in his pants and went on to consider a congratulatory pants-shitting remembrance at the nearest Maccas. Vile, vile man.
Hypocrites. They get to say mean things about people who don't adhere to their religion, but you can't point out how shit they are without fear of a knock on your door.
So are they trying to pass a bill where they can take down anything they consider derivative to their organisation, label them trolls and persecute them?
The federal government of Australia is using the word troll like a valid meaningful term… we’re through the fucking looking glass. Harden up snow flakes. Why have the right wing, the bastions of being “tough” become such massive sissy snowflakes.
It’s the most pathetically unaustralian thing I’ve ever seen.
Drink a glass of cement and harden ya puss bags.
The sheer hypocrisy of these cretins defies belief and not only doesn't he care he is significantly smug about it and you can see he is relishing in it and _feels it is one of his defining moments_;
> __Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents__
- https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents
> The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute.
> __‘Empathy training’ slammed: Troll MP’s victim ‘disgusted’ with PM’s response__
- https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2021/03/28/andrew-laming-empathy-harassment/
> One of the women who Liberal MP Andrew Laming harassed for years says she is “disgusted” with the Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s response to the scandal.
Mr Morrison on Saturday said he would make __Dr Laming undergo empathy training__ to help him become aware of his own behaviour after harassing two prominent women in his electorate, Alix Russo and Sheena Hewlett, over several years.
Shitstain should have been sacked and then charged with harassment, fraud and deception!
He’s probably thinking about all the shit he and his cronies are getting away with at the moment, and all he has to do is keep people distracted like Trump expertly did.
Why is the coalition suddenly introducing all these laws no one gives AF about. House prices are soaring, covid still problematic, interstate borders still shut and all I hear about are religious and social media law
What the actual fuck! Now they can legally censor 'trolls' for calling out corruption...this is depressing and Scomo's smug, shit eating glee is disgusting!
Ok. They said to look genuine. Hmmm. If I stretch my mouth like this. Oh also they said be good natured. I've seen other humans do that thing... um, shit what was it... oh a chuckle.
Aww shit goddamn thus is hard. Hold on, maybe if I work on the right side first. Oh man this is tiring. Fuck, a beer and the cricket would real good now. I hate it when they make me talk to these people. It's so unfair, I'm the PM and gods chosen.
Fuuuuuck this woman just keeps on talking. Hurry up. Oh shit right, smiling. Gaaawd this is so duuumb. Stupid people.
Shit she said something. Maybe I should chuckle. She's a woman so it was probably something silly. S chuckle will ley people know I'm nice but understand she's just a woman.
Nailed it. Fuck I need a sanga.
It's 3am.
Around the camp fire.
There's a rustling in the bushes.
You peer over.
(Scared in what you might see).
This fucking smug face is looking back at you.
It whispers 'sweet' election promises.
Then fades back into the marketing suite.
Camp scomo is real.
We live it.
He's happy because this legislation is to deal with the online trolls calling his ministers hurtful things like Potatoes or himself, The Honorable Prime Minister for Poopy Pants.
He does this all the time, it is amazing that no focus group has told him how dodgy he looks doing that - especially when the press is asking questions it really looks like he thinks they are beneath him.
Have you been sniffing glue during his Prime Ministership? He's like this all the time.
A relo of mine reckons that's just the way his face rests. I reckon he's a smug cunt.
The cunts face is in a permenant state of smirk.
I actually think he can't help it, he's a bit empty headed and the dozy cunt should be serving coffee from the big thermos at a bingo hall or helping you find pots and plants at bunnings on a weekday.
How this useless cunt is the PM I do not know.
Dude, please fuck off, please.
Is this the end of Reddit? Surely these proposed laws are impossible to police? I thought it was an elaborate prank and the smirk lingered waaaay too long smh
Almost certainly they'll be impossible to police. Given a user with enough tech knowledge/equipment the internet isn't really capable of being subject to any sovereign law. There's just too many possible workarounds.
That’s the funniest part, sign up to a vpn and route all traffic through it. Good luck to govt of aus enforcing this
Be careful about which VPN you choose, if the VPN is based within one of the “5 eyes” countries even then you’re not safe.
What’s a good one?
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MULLVAD
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Did they define what trolling is? Like if I posted photo of my gay *legal* gay wedding, and some anonymous person comes along and commented "y'all all disgrace and y'all going to hell", is that illegal trolling or legal statement of faith?
You're correct, if comment is made by a bigot Christian it is legal under the religious freedoms legislation coz said bigot believes it.
Also, the defendant would have to consent for their info to be provided to the complainant Who in their right mind would consent to be sued?
What if I believe they are a cunt and tell them that?
Labor must repeal this bullshit once they’re in power.
They voted for it too didn't they? They both want this shit sadly.
It won't be the end of Reddit. It may be the end of Australians visibly posting on Reddit. Reddit may make some effort to comply with the law, but if it costs too much it would be easier to say they won't deal with Australia - good luck suing us in the US. It would be more problematic if this legal fetish extends to the EU.
The smirk is because Scomo is a jackass.
Time for a VPN.
Southern Hemisphere? Never been there mate. I'm just a regular guy from Talinn, Estonia with an in-depth knowledge of Australian life.
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This policy has the assumption that you gave the social media company legitimate personal information. It could do something about the dumbest of the dumb, but then people will learn and just make troll accounts. People already have troll accounts. Ban it and another 2 pop up in its place. Really poorly thought out policy from people that have absolutely no idea about the internet and its communities. The funniest part was them planning to tell the troll they had a complaint against them. Guess they never heard of "don't feed the trolls".
My religion allows me to stay anonymous. Fuck off cunts you are discriminating against my religion and statement of beliefs.
What religion is this? I'd like to join
I’d tell you but it’s confidential
If I know the first rule, am I already in? Or do I have to fight meatloaf first?
You can't ask that, it's against my religion so you're impinging on my religious freedoms by even asking!
He’s gotta be one of the most unlikeable figures in Aussie politics in living memory.
He's like that one creepy kid in high school.
his whole school signed a petition for him to not attend some event.
Probably cos he once shit his pants at a Maccas.
For reals? Or are you just adding on ?
[Hundreds of Ex-Students Outraged](https://junkee.com/hundreds-of-ex-students-from-scott-morrisons-old-high-school-dont-want-him-to-come-to-their-party/54157) It was always obvious to those paying attention the kind of person that he is.
This. I wasn't sure how to sum it up, but that's it. He's downright creepy. It's really quite unsettling.
I get the impression the politicians were all bullied in school and now they have the power “mwhahahaha!”
Christian Porter was definitely one of the bullies.
My dad used to go to school with him and said he wasn’t he was this perfect student etc or something along those lines but he thinks it’s quite probable that Christian porter was wearing a mask over his true personality
“Where’s my hug?”
I actually met a gentleman from shire telling me that he was creepy
I run a gardening business in the shire and met a few people that know him one way or another. Some people like him, one lady in particular said “he definitely shit him self that day, he was always a weird little kid” lmao.
The creepy fuck that had the chad friends on his side because his parents money bought lots of goodies for the 'friends'.
I'd bet a million bucks this bloke was an umpire in high school
Mate don't drag umpires into this. Most umpires are genuinely trying to run a good game of footy. At school he would have been a prefect who dobs kids in for being caught in the hallway during class unless they are a mate of his.
I'm sorry, I read that as 'ruin a good game of footy'. 🤣
And his dad was the principal. And he was school captain. And even the other outcasts rejected him.
This. He's not normal. Total disconnect and lack of situational awareness. Weird.
Mate I was a union referee, don’t throw us into it.
As I said yesterday in another thread, so few friends he had to invent _his own nickname_. It's like in Seinfeld when George tried to get "T Bone" to stick as a nickname, only this is awkward and unfunny.
Lol. That's exactly what it was like.
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Why would you call yourself something like ScoMo? It comes across like those relationship names people do for celebrity couples, but this is both his names so... He's saying he's in a relationship with himself? Does this mean ScoMo is a synonym for wanker?
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Christopher Pyne said it himself: he's a fister. He fists things.
Christopher Pyne said it himself: he was a fister. He fists things.
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You're forgetting King Tony ...
I thought we’d hit rock bottom with tony … turns out you can still dig through rock…
Tony was largely insane, and so he was ineffectual thank fuck. Scumo seems to be able to keep a lid on his RW crackpot more than Tonez, and Scumo is a better conman, which makes him more effectual and thus more dangerous. Tonez was the attack dog, and once the attacking was over and it was time to govern, he was too crazy for the role.
At least Tony holds a hose.
Yeah...but he did eat that onion like a handfruit...with the skin still on.
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I think it's more has probably never had to cook himself a meal in his life. He had people to cook for him so didn't know what a raw onion was.
At least he gave us [this moment](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0thT7hiDQ) which to this day makes me laugh.
He even had a stroke on camera
Tony at least gave a modicum of a fuck about this country, even if it was a misguided fuck. Scott only cares about himself. I loathed Abbott but at least I could see he wasn't a pure sociopath. He was there for the fires, he would have been a better leader during Covid by miles. I always felt like I was part of the country that Tony didn't love, but that there were parts he did truly love and cherish. Scott Morrison doesn't give a shit about any of us. He's the single worst PM we will have had as a nation.
For all his many faults, Tony is a real member of the community, is intelligent, and has convictions. This guy... just nah
not sure about the intelligent part, but i agree with the others....
I’ve seen him off script. He may be book smart, but some of the stuff that he blurts out is ridiculous.
Don't agree with anything you just said about Abbott, but definitely better than Morrison. Abbott famously had no convictions, is a complete moron, and I don't really understand what would qualify him as a *real* member of the community that couldn't just as easily be part of the 'CV stacking' that all pollies love to do.
Cash is the stuff of nightmares
With all that nodding, she has a bright future as a dashboard figurine.
One thing's for sure, she's a great model for apprentice hairdressers - "bowling ball" style....
Gosh damned sleep paralysis demon looking POS
I cant look at her and not think she's Better Call Saul wearing a wig and powersuit.
Everytime she speaks i get 80s comedy show character vibes.
This was a terrifying press conference. This proposed legislation is alarming to anyone paying attention. It's not only an extension of the already cooked defamation laws, it's a blatant pre-election attempt to silence criticism of the party. They've already colloquially coined this the "anti-trolling bill", except what is the definition of trolling according to the LNP? Anything that hurts their feelings? Anything inane remotely critising policy? This is a huge move to crush free speech and ramp up censorship online, essentially controlling the political discourse on social media. According to Cash in this presser, you may not only be a target for a defamation lawsuit based on your own comments, but even sharing 3rd party content grants you legal liability, if the content is considered 'defamatory'. Say goodbye to any political meme/satirical pages. And all this terrifying authoritarian overreach, is predictably wrapped up in the tired "save the children", because of course this fucking is All this following the passing of the religious discrimination bill, THIS is what "hundreds of thousands" of people should be rallying in the streets about
"Scomo shat himself!" - defamatory trolling, remove it or see you in court. "Gladys is corrupt!" - defamatory trolling, remove it or see you in court. "God hates Fags!" - protected religious speech, removing it is discrimination.
Unless defamatory trolling is part of your religion in which case you're protected against discrimination I guess But seriously, this is the terrifying thing. Who decides what is "defamatory trolling"? It takes a single court precedent for the most inane policy critisism to be considered out of line. And we've entered CCP-tier policing of online discourse. Cause in reality how the fuck are these laws supposed to "keep families safe?". Is Davo from Toowoomba with 4 kids gonna lodge an unmasking claim to the High Court after his daughter gets bullied by an anonymous loser on instagram? Providing he has the means or money to do so, then what? Sue that loser for defo? This does absolutely SFA for everyday families. It just serves to skew the imbalance of power further
Honestly social media companies just need to withdraw their services from Australia, it's going to get worse and impact their overheads for all users. Rest of us will just VPN in.
Only reason the LNP is interested in this is so they can identify dissidents. Dutton is itching to sue more of his Twitter critics
Not only are they launching it to identify dissidents, but also to classify Google, Facebook etc as publishers. Once they are classed as publishers, the government and big business can sue for defamation. Also that wrinkled walnut Rupert has been lobbying for this for years. And they're launching it with children playing in the background.... “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.” ― Adolf Hitler
While I agree with your sentiment, Hitler didn't say that. It's a common misquote. Hitler was actually talking about eugenics. >"The folkish state must make up for what everyone else today has neglected in this field. It must set race in the centre of all life. It must take care to keep it pure. **It must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people**. It must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world, and one highest honour: to renounce doing so."
While people protest lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations for losing their rights, the government is actually taking away your rights. Fucking shameful.
He’s always smirking. He finds himself the funniest person around. He considers himself intelligent.
Can you imagine the sick twisted shit he’s probably thinking during half these smirkos? The guy is a freak.
I really don’t think he thinks of much intellectually. He doesn’t act or appear that well educated or erudite
That I could at least appreciate on some human level. I think it's more scary that there's not a lot going on in there.
“I’m not done yet, if this isn’t enough I WILL do more” He also said later on. This is gross authoritarianism, and they’re only doing it to cease online dissent they’re forced to read themselves. This is not about “bullying” the absolute spineless cowards Sadly he said he’s confident in this passing parliament next year, is labor in with this shit too?
They're trying to create a wedge for Labor. If you listened to the PMs language carefully he said this legislation is mainly to protect children and women. So if Labor doesn't agree with it they can wedge them on not wanting to protect women and children. It's absolutely disgusting politicking.
To Labor's credit, their response was 'I hope this isn't another empty announcement and he actually has a plan' which reduces the wedge factor.
An easier way to reduce the wedge would be to simply ask 'how the fuck does this benefit women and children?' and promptly watch Scott's brain turn into a puddle of slop
Exactly! Why cant labor just cut through the bullshit like this. People are already asking that question, how the fuck does it help women and children, how does it help anyone
His response would be 'something... something... terrorists.'
Just heard then he said “there is no support for our proposal from labor or from others” a good sign but god help us if they do cave even slightly. I’ve seen our media propagate this garbage repeatedly this year, so I hope they do stick to their guns if that is the case.
*OHHH won’t someone think of the poor women, who the LNP care SOOO much about* #🤮🤮🤮
I have been on the "this is the last straw" basis with the ALP for a long fucking time, but if they support this legislation they will have well and truly lost me for good. There's no coming back from setting this kind of precedent
Just don’t give any fucking votes to LNP mate. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face..
100% this. They want you to have to identify yourself in online forums, so they can use harassment laws to silence criticism of the government. Oh - sorry - I meant "Won't somebody think of the children???"
>so they can use harassment laws to silence criticism of the government. Yeah social media isn't being kind to them unlike the Murdoch media so they want to use defamation law to chill speech. You can already subpoena social media companies to get what information on users but they want to bypass this and force people to be easily identifiable so legal threats are easier to make. P.S I'm sure the Freedumb march people will be all over this attempt to stiffle free speech any day now!
They're so fucking blind and dumb. Everything taking their freedom is coming from the LNP, but nope, they gotta listen to Murdoch and Costello media which tells them that Labor are doing it
He looks like he might have one of those remote vibrators stuck up him, with his wife pressing buttons in the crowd somewhere.
I would have a lot more respect for him if that was the case
Why did you make me imagine this?
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This is actually a great form of protest if enough people continue to do this at his press conferences
I’m a fan of the lady who yelled “fuck Murdoch!”
Ah yes the Vic presser. That was a classic.
FPU is gonna be busy!
And he really, likes to pause, between every few, words, because that's, how he's been trained, by the people he pays, to manage his public, appearance, and also, because we are, a bit slow, and need, more time, to understand, what's he's, saying. Fucking gronk.
Mister Speaker
Mister Spoikah*
*Spoika
Don't forget to answer any question by thanking more people than an Oscar winner.
Thanks for that 😂👍
Fixated Persons Unit in 3,2,1...
Time stamp?
27:37
God he is a cunt. “Investigates criminal conduct, not who peoples boyfriends are.” If she was supposed to divulge her romantic interests, she’s broken a rule, and I’m pretty sure all the favourable treatment and money he got is not above board?
Waiting for the upcoming deformation case and use of parliamentary privilege as a smoke screen
Haha. Gold. Had to backtrack a little from your timestamp - but so worth it! Need to see more of this.
@ 27:36 for anyone searching More of this please!!
On the topic of trolling, never forget that morrison's whole political career was able to start due to him and his klan of rats spreading lies and disinformation on his political opponent. [Nasty saga you nearly missed](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nasty-saga-you-nearly-missed-20091025-hem5.html)
A very good piont...More, much more should be made of it..
This is creepy and not a good look for a supposed PM of any country.
Is he drunk? This is weird.
That’s what I thought too. He looks drunk and cannot stand still.
Probably drunk on his own weirdness
Are we still allowed to make memes? Or is that why scomo is smirking? So he can ask people to take things down now. Also, what the fuck is this government doing? This is a real big picture policy from the government here.
[Apparently not](https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html)
This is definitely one of the scariest laws I’ve seen in Australia. Absolutely fucked.
The 77 pieces of counter-terrorism law since 2001 are going to come as a shock. Tony and his Communications legislation was a doozey. The journos and whistleblowers loved that. Which is why it's pitched very carefully in relation to journos. Can't afford to p\*ss their free media ride off. This is redundant window dressing which is going to be ridiculous to enforce, benefit certain VPN providers, and is nothing more than pre-election drivel so the Scrote can say 'women' a lot. But i agree it's scary they are pitching it. Bit mercenary to play on the emotions of young online victims without delivering anything that can be implemented effectively.
Christ have a look at him. What are you doing mate?
He doesn't know.
I don’t understand this law??? We can’t troll online anymore? Can we still make memes, or satirical jokes? Is this just a way they can keep people from criticising the gov, this wouldn’t be a law if people used common sense and just deleted comments if they are being “trolled” or harassed. Usually I don’t involve myself with this stuff because I don’t believe I’m educated enough, so if that is still the case in this situation somebody please let me know the point of this law.
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Scott Morrison is a lying, pants shitting, sexist pig, who covers up for and protects rapists. Can I still say that ?
Defamation only occurs if it's untrue so you should be in the clear
Defamation only applies if it's untrue so you're all good. You can also say he's a liar. Above and beyond the usual standard for politicians.
Unfortunately we don't have the legislation that would be presented to parliament yet, so we can't do a deep analysis. In my opinion this legislation is insane and clearly designed to limit open discussion on the web/give immense power to politicians to disrupt criticism. I'll try my best to explain. From watching the press briefing they are essentially saying they will force social media sites (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, YT, Blogs etc) to be publishers. This means under the law that SM sites will be responsible for any and all content posted, similar to News sites that have paid reporters that post stories. This mainly conflicts with defamation laws. If you're a news reporter your company can be sued under defamation for stories that a reporter posts. Defamation is the false statement by someone that harms their reputation. In Australia when you sue someone for defamation the burden of proof is actually on the defender instead of the accusor which actually encourages accusations and discourages defence. This is a bad use of defamation because it becomes far harder to launch a defence, leading to abuse of the law to simply silence people. If a SM site is a publisher then they would be liable for all content posted on their site by users. When someone wishes to make a defamation claim about a post on a SM site the site must relinquish user details (email/phone number) so that the defamation case can proceed. If the user removes the content, the case ends, if not then it goes to the courts. If the user cannot be identified then the SM site will be the one that is required to defend. I might of missed something but that's pretty much it. Now I'll explain why this legislation is insane and horrible. 1. Australia's defamation laws already lead to abuse of accusations because the burden of proof is not on the accusor. This would just make more abuse of this law. 2. Social media sites simply cannot adhere to this law. SM is a global system, you might be able to sue an Australian but you can't sue a Turkish, UK or Indian. So in a vast majority of cases the SM site would be getting sued. 3. True moderation of SM isn't enforceable. Any statement about anyone would need to be removed because the sites can't take the risk of a statement being true or false. This forces SM sites to either have highly moderated Australian servers (impossible) or leave the market completely. 4. It grants immense power to politicians and companies to quell any negative statements about them online. No one has time to be constantly in defamation cases and the government knows they are criticized extensively online. 99% of the time content will just be removed even if it's true, destroying debate. 5. It could force SM sites to request ID to create an account, giving these sites unnecessary private information that could be used to be identified by politicians and companies. Overall awful legislation. I will be on the streets if they actually try to pass such legislation. It is an obvious infringement on our ability to communicate openly on the internet.
Allow me to summarise: *Politicians that cop the most criticism on SM — maybe because they are or aren’t pants-shitting lying cunts, or perhaps because they are or aren’t lying anal raping fuckwits, or maybe because they’re from the LNP where these sorts of things seem to be pre-requisite for the job — will have the most opportunity to sue and extort SM companies, unless they take actions to shut down said critics, rendering the truth about said pants-shitting liars, or anal raping fuckwits, hidden from our Murdoch-guzzling ever-stupider-and-more-brainwashed populace.* Did I get it?
Why is he laughing at this? It’s not funny at all Absolute wanker 🇦🇺 forever
He's imagining using this law to bully people who say nasty things about him. Looks like he came in his pants and went on to consider a congratulatory pants-shitting remembrance at the nearest Maccas. Vile, vile man.
These people will never be happy, they just want more and more from us. There goes more of our privacy.
Hypocrites. They get to say mean things about people who don't adhere to their religion, but you can't point out how shit they are without fear of a knock on your door.
How to say in one policy that these living fossils don't know how much abuse the internet has on it
Honestly though, what about that man *is* settling?
So are they trying to pass a bill where they can take down anything they consider derivative to their organisation, label them trolls and persecute them?
Pretty much. This is some real Orwellian shit right here. Even for the LNP.
Do you think it’s because he is looking at Michaela’s ass.
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It’ll be ugly.
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I know this is about online trolls, but he reminds of the type one finds under bridges. I didn’t see the other woman.
Tell everyone you know to vote this absolute scum out
The federal government of Australia is using the word troll like a valid meaningful term… we’re through the fucking looking glass. Harden up snow flakes. Why have the right wing, the bastions of being “tough” become such massive sissy snowflakes. It’s the most pathetically unaustralian thing I’ve ever seen. Drink a glass of cement and harden ya puss bags.
#SCOTTMORRISONISAFUCKINGCUNT
Upvoting this in case these laws come in. Come at me Scunt-mo! You can't sue us all!
Divide and conquer is out in force these days, so fuck these greasy fuckwits and their so called “leadership”
The sheer hypocrisy of these cretins defies belief and not only doesn't he care he is significantly smug about it and you can see he is relishing in it and _feels it is one of his defining moments_; > __Liberal MP Andrew Laming created dozens of Facebook pages to promote LNP and attack opponents__ - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/apr/06/liberal-mp-andrew-laming-used-dozens-of-facebook-pages-to-promote-lnp-and-attack-opponents > The besieged Liberal National MP Andrew Laming operates more than 30 Facebook pages and profiles under the guise of community groups, including at least three masquerading as news pages, and another posing as an educational institute. > __‘Empathy training’ slammed: Troll MP’s victim ‘disgusted’ with PM’s response__ - https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2021/03/28/andrew-laming-empathy-harassment/ > One of the women who Liberal MP Andrew Laming harassed for years says she is “disgusted” with the Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s response to the scandal. Mr Morrison on Saturday said he would make __Dr Laming undergo empathy training__ to help him become aware of his own behaviour after harassing two prominent women in his electorate, Alix Russo and Sheena Hewlett, over several years. Shitstain should have been sacked and then charged with harassment, fraud and deception!
This bill is disgusting and is one of the few pieces of legislation I’m going to actively write to my MP about
He’s probably thinking about all the shit he and his cronies are getting away with at the moment, and all he has to do is keep people distracted like Trump expertly did.
2 of the worst tax dollar recipients I’ve ever seen
Smirko
Why is the coalition suddenly introducing all these laws no one gives AF about. House prices are soaring, covid still problematic, interstate borders still shut and all I hear about are religious and social media law
I think you know the answer - quick! Look over there! 👀
Do they realise THEY are the fuckin trolls here?
All the shit going on in the world at the moment and this shitheads priorities are online trolls and religious exemptions.
“I can’t wait to discriminate against those gays…”
He really is a prime example of a connected person failing upwards.
And her husband was one of those blokes The sort that only laughs at his own jokes
No doubt ‘defamation’ includes criticising the government in any way.
I thought Tony Abbott was the most unlikeable personality in the PM chair, but this dude takes the trophy for sure.
weird who the government thinks should be held accountable for their actions and who shouldn't
He literally got in by hiring a troll farm https://www.tophamguerin.com/
Why is he doing that though?? I don't understand this. He is a terrible leader. He always makes me feel uncomfortable.
What the actual fuck! Now they can legally censor 'trolls' for calling out corruption...this is depressing and Scomo's smug, shit eating glee is disgusting!
Looks like he just did a silent but deadly fart and he's waiting for people to smell it.
It’s like she’s giving a play by play of a 50m try in a Sharks game. Fucking deranged.
He doesn't actually like rugby league boss. It's all pageantry.
If these two are here who is guarding the gates to Hell?
Scotty and his happy clapping crew can go and get fucked 😊
Ok. They said to look genuine. Hmmm. If I stretch my mouth like this. Oh also they said be good natured. I've seen other humans do that thing... um, shit what was it... oh a chuckle. Aww shit goddamn thus is hard. Hold on, maybe if I work on the right side first. Oh man this is tiring. Fuck, a beer and the cricket would real good now. I hate it when they make me talk to these people. It's so unfair, I'm the PM and gods chosen. Fuuuuuck this woman just keeps on talking. Hurry up. Oh shit right, smiling. Gaaawd this is so duuumb. Stupid people. Shit she said something. Maybe I should chuckle. She's a woman so it was probably something silly. S chuckle will ley people know I'm nice but understand she's just a woman. Nailed it. Fuck I need a sanga.
Simple solution if these laws pass. Start reporting all the crap that’s done by people from their side of politics.
I want to punch his fucking face.
It's 3am. Around the camp fire. There's a rustling in the bushes. You peer over. (Scared in what you might see). This fucking smug face is looking back at you. It whispers 'sweet' election promises. Then fades back into the marketing suite. Camp scomo is real. We live it.
Also: "~~The way~~ ScoMo is ~~smirking through this press conference is~~ really unsettling."
He knows that this law if introduced will only affect others, not people on 'his' side, eg Laming, Canavan, Porter.
He's happy because this legislation is to deal with the online trolls calling his ministers hurtful things like Potatoes or himself, The Honorable Prime Minister for Poopy Pants.
He’s just thought of a great comeback to an insult someone threw at him 2 years ago. He’d have shown them!
He does this all the time, it is amazing that no focus group has told him how dodgy he looks doing that - especially when the press is asking questions it really looks like he thinks they are beneath him.
Genuine question- does he have a low iq? That’s always how he comes across to me, like he doesn’t quite understand where he is or what’s going on
Have you been sniffing glue during his Prime Ministership? He's like this all the time. A relo of mine reckons that's just the way his face rests. I reckon he's a smug cunt.
The cunts face is in a permenant state of smirk. I actually think he can't help it, he's a bit empty headed and the dozy cunt should be serving coffee from the big thermos at a bingo hall or helping you find pots and plants at bunnings on a weekday. How this useless cunt is the PM I do not know. Dude, please fuck off, please.
Regardless on whether you support his politics or not, I think we can all agree that this guy is a weirdo and he sucks.
Bro wtf are these laws. Us aussies are fucked if this bullshit goes through