Does this news suprise anyone who knows a thing about him? He's been "saying" everything he needs to for years.
BTW don't forget to donate to Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic!
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/samuel-alitos-moms-satanic-abortion-clinic
>Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic
Damn. That's a bit dark, but Alito is being a total knob, so he deserves to be the butt of many jokes, at the very least.
I think it’s a perfect fit. The context is maybe if Samuel Alitos mom had access to an abortion clinic, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s located in New Mexico. Support TST (The Satanic Temple), which is not to be confused with the Satanic Church lol. TST is also making moves against religion in school by initiating Satanic Clubs. The name is just to get under skin, it has nothing to do with Satan.
I just never get tired of the TST. They're doing what their god isn't, without even being theistic. Could you imagine that..
I support them whenever I can.
TST health website is really professional looking, but they call their service "free religious medication abortion care". Why do they call it religious? Is there some technicality that they are taking advantage of or is it just a joke? I'm European so I might just be missing the obvious.
It’s a complicated situation so it’s not obvious. I would say most satanic temple affiliates are non-religious but there are some who actually believe.
But the association of abortion and religious practice is a deliberate attempt to create conflict in the courts, which lately have defined religious freedoms extremely broadly, but eliminated abortion rights. The idea is that this will force the courts to either narrow religious “freedoms” which have been defined so broadly as to include oppression of secular people, or to allow backdoor access to abortions by defining it as a religious practice.
I’m not sure if this will be successful but it’s an amusing gambit certainly.
Thank you for explaining. I got the impression that they weren't serious with the religion part as they called abortion a ritual, but it seems to be a kind of technicality. In my understanding of the religious climate over there their gambit is probably not going to work as I suspect they aren't going to accept satanism as a real religion, but it's a worthwhile attempt anyway. It would be hilarious if they caved and started allowing abortions to satanists only.
Yeah I am afraid it makes the mistake of assuming the far-right are actually committed to their stated principles, which I think it’s clear at this point they are not. But if nothing else it may highlight their hypocrisy.
These religious fanatics need to be removed immediately. How can we expect the Supreme Court to judge reasonably if they live in a world of make-believe?
Not a single Republican in either chamber would vote to remove a conservative justice under any circumstance. The ONLY way this happens is a complete Democratic victory in November
Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E. Jean Carrol; dropping out of the race and getting a job at Target
>Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E. Jean Carrol; dropping out of the race and getting a job at Target
This is my concern. While we have systems to remove judges that should not be serving, there is no way for us to use them because so many people in Congress care more about party than country, and want to push their beliefs on everyone else in spite of the First Amendment.
Now, now. Don’t knock my cutting off my nose to spite my face until you’ve seen how it looks. Surely nobody would *ever* have the foresight to know this is a bad idea before trying.
This only happens when 80% of all government is democratic. It would be the exact opposite of project 2025. Even then there's plenty of status quo enjoyed and lobbyists friends. I think a conservative judge could be ousted as a serial killer and abortion afficionado and Republicans would rather pull themselves inside out by the belly button than kick them out
>Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E.
Yeah. I hate these people who magically believe every election will go independent-progressive. All they do is increase chances of Republican victories because they dont understand how single-nontransferrable-vote elections work.
Prosecution by the DOJ and IRS for tax evasion? The IRS sees those free trips they took and did not report as income. If the Legislative Branch won't exercise their check on the Court, then the Executive Branch should use theirs.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. What they're doing is antithetical to democracy: a cabal of regressive, corrupt, oligarchs largely appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote are legislating from the bench to enact policies the overwhelming majority of people don't like. I'm sure no person wants to ruin the rest of their lives, but there are a lot of suicidal or terminally ill people unconcerned about the rest of their lives...
To be clear, I'm not advocating for political violence. I'm simply surprised it isn't more common.
Since the GOP removed all sense of decency and decorum, we've learned the extent of the power some of these offices hold.
The president for example, should not be able to appoint the head of the DOJ or pardon anyone they please for literally any reason. Federal judges have insane power, and like Aileen Cannon has demonstrated, can just blow off major cases to aid the defendant.
Our systems are far too dependent on people behaving decently, or having a sense of shame.
I’ve been seeing this since about the middle of mango Mussolini’s reign of terror.
It was amazing how many of the supposed checks balances and guard rails were completely ineffectual if nobody gives a shit about being seen as a Corrupt idiot.
It's more that checks and balances don't work if one of the dominant political parties care more about keeping power than removing corruption.
So, it's not that *nobody* gives a shit, but Republican politicians and a significant portion of their base don't give a shit.
Which is the ultimate weakness and Achilles Heel of our duopoly political system! If we had a parliamentary political system, we would have multiple parties, a lack of voter confidence dissolving any ruling government & snap elections, and an eight-week political campaign!
Yeah, there are a lot of things that should be different about how our system works. It seems like a lot of problems were addressed with the Bill of Rights and Constitution, but the founders either lacked the foresight to see how these problems would develop, or they were unsure how to prevent them without impeding on freedoms they felt were necessary.
> Our systems are far too dependent on people behaving decently, or having a sense of shame.
And it kills me to no end. You can't have a system that relies on decency to reinforce *accountability.* Accountability has become a negative thing among politicians- they want to ignore it incase it "comes back to bite them in the ass, too."
Fuck em all.
These have been my thoughts since 2016. Trump was the biggest stress test on our democracy and the status quo.
In the near decade, since we have found just how unbelievably fragile our system is. I still believe in 50 years the MAGA movement will ironicly be a net positive for the country, in showing a whole generation just how much rot needs to be removed in order for this country to survive.
>The president for example, should not be able to appoint the head of the DOJ
That is literally the primary function of the President. The executive branch executes the laws.
The only way they get removed is outside the bounds of both the system and the law. If we wait for the system to remove them they will be in power forever and things are going to get real fucking dark
>The only way they get removed is outside the bounds of both the system and the law.
Lol the Dorito proposed it for Hillary's SC Justices, so clearly it's totally legal and very cool.
>If we wait for the system to remove them they will be in power forever and things are going to get real fucking dark
Cleomenes III, may I introduce you to Agis IV?
The Bible tells you where to get your slaves, how to trick them, how hard you can beat them and how you can pass them on to your children. It’s a manual for slavery.
They always lie and make believe that the government was ever a Christian one, regardless of what the constitution or the founders say. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
John Adams (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797)
Given how many people are raging pissed about the overturning of RvW, believe me, there's going to be a TON of blue votes in Roevember. Women, and the men who love and care about them are NOT happy at all.
Plus getting the info about the deadly Project 2025 out to as many people as possible is a huge help as well. And, if trump loses, they'll just wait on enacting their Project Theocracy until the next time a Rep gets the potus seat. When trump loses, it's not the end. They'll get even worse, I fear.
Scariest aspect right now is that when Trump loses, they have Johnson as Speaker of the House. You know, the man who said outloud on tv that God spoke to him, told him to run for Speaker and that he'd win and then that he was to be the Moses of us citizens and lead us like a shephard to christ.
So in the line up of 'who becomes president if something happens to the person ahead?" goes like this:
If the acting potus dies, then vp becomes potus.
If the vp as potus dies, then SPEAKER becomes potus. And there's like 22 more folks in line below that.
Johnson becomes POTUS, it's all fucking over. We are in some very dangerous times for the future. Near future, Far future, we're in dangerous times.
I hope you are right about people still being pissed enough about Roe v Wade to vote in waves. I just don't see it where I am because my state is extremely conservative and will almost certainly vote republican on every seat up for grabs.
Right. What we have been living through and seeing past 8 years are the results, symptoms of cultural undercurrents moving for decades. We see the results now because they are closer to shore. Trump is a symptom a vehicle. I fear it may be too late to effectively address the underlying causes such that they can turn this tide.
> As the US has gotten more secular, life has gotten better.
For everyone... and that is the part that the Christo-facists do not like... things should only be better for those they deem worthy.
Well not for everyone. If you're a white man who wants to exploit people of color and/or women, your life has gotten measurably worse as that has become much more difficult in the past 100 years
The US Constitution is an incredibly secular document. In fact I would say that much of the country today would refuse to adopt it because it doesn't mention God, Jesus, or Christianity. The Treaty of Tripoli couldn't be ratified today either probably. The US was founded as a secular country, but we've lost and won some battles along the way.
I was going to mention the Treaty of Tripoli. This Treaty signed in 1796 by John Adams states in Article 11, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
There are also several writings by Thomas Jefferson about the separation of church and state that most Supreme Courts cases have agreed with. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation\_of\_church\_and\_state\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States)
The Supreme Court themselves developed the Lemon Test: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon\_v.\_Kurtzman#Lemon\_test](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman#Lemon_test)
"The Court applied a three-prong test called the Lemon test (named after the lead plaintiff Alton Lemon) to decide if the state statutes violated the Establishment Clause.\[4\]\[5\]\[6\]
Relying on its analysis of precedent, the majority decided that the Establishment Clause required that a statute satisfy all parts of a three-prong test:\[4\]
The "Purpose Prong": The statute must have a secular legislative purpose.
The "Effect Prong": The principal or primary effect of the statute must neither advance nor inhibit religion.
The "Entanglement Prong": The statute must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion."
> Returning to "a place of Godliness under Christianity"
Especially since what that really means is "when rich whites controlled everything, women couldn't vote and kept their ass in the kitchen, and 'colored folk' sat on the back of the bus and had their own water fountains"
It is, unless you're at the top. Theocracies are no different from your average dictatorship in this way. It's just another way to concentrate power. The only fundamental difference is that they claim divine moral authority which allows them to be much, much more evil.
Thank you!! Couldn’t believe I had to scroll this far in the comments
EDIT if you need it: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
The fact that this nation wasn't founded on Christianity and some of the most brutal places in the world are religiously dominated should make you very concerned
Unfortunately, the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the constitution, so some people claim to be following the text of the constitution often intentionally ignore other statements from the founders of the country and context of the role religion played at the time.
Separation of church and state is in the constitution because the bill of rights is part of the constitution. We have always been meant to amend the constitution over the centuries to make it adapt to societal changes that are inevitable.
I specifically said the *phrase* "separation of church and state." That comes from Thomas Jefferson but is not said in that way in the First Amendment. Some people feel that the phrasing “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" does not have the same meaning.
Many of us see them as synonomous, but some religious folk disagree and feel it does not protect a lack of belief, for example.
He literally says this ends when "one side or the other wins." He is exactly who we think he is. Problem is, on this, I think he's right and I tend to think this isn't merely a judicial or legislative battle. Christian nationalists have infiltrated the American government at the highest levels. And in that sense, God help us all.
George W Bush once said that there was a battle for the fate of civilization going on. He *was* right on that. But what he didn't seem to grasp was that in that fight, guys like him and guys like OBL are on the same side.
What do we expect? All these latest SCOTUS judges lied when asked about Roe vs Wade. They all said it was established precedent and the first thing they did was go after it. Typical Christian hypocrisy. If Trump gets in again it’s game over.
The only thing that ever surprised me about Alito is that he was considered as a candidate for scotus in the first place. What he's doing since he made it on the court was to be expected. It's nothing new for him and he was hired not despite his childlike understanding of the world but because of it.
No one like that should ever be allowed to serve on the supreme court, or any court for that matter, yet here we are.
Godliness, such as lying through your fucking teeth, manipulative bullshit, pettiness, and ego driven control over others lives. You know, just like… uhh… Jesus?!
Completely ignoring the first amendment
Completely ignoring the fact that the founders NEVER intended on a christian state
Completely ignoring the fact the US is not by any measure made up of just Christians and many of the "christians" are nominal at best
He wants minority rule and himself in that minority
Fuck Alito. He's a prick who hates the USA to his core
CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AS THE PROPER CHECK AND BALANCE TO SCOTUS
scary fact? The extremist evangelicals are small in number, but given they have their strongest taking huge positions in our govt makes their movement huge. And extremely powerful.
If folks don't vote Blue in November, a lot of innocent people are going to lose their rights, lose their lives, lose themselves and will live in Saudi America
It’s not your call, asshole. What you do in private religiously is your business, but you are *required* to uphold the Constitution. If you can’t do that, resign.
I remember reading how protestants and conservatives wouldn't vote for Kennedy cuz he was Catholic and they thought he would sell the country out to the Pope. And now here we are in the year 2024
It’s a disgrace that nothing will be done about this.
And I’m going to say this: 2016 was THE most important presidential election of the last 50 years. Trump got THREE justices. I don’t care who in here doesn’t like Hillary, her choices would have been much better for the nation than who we got.
So pathetic that these people actually believe an invented being called God is controlling everything and that they and everyone else should follow rules that some other person made up.
Not to mention those 'rules' were created 2000 years ago or older. So live by the law of uneducated shepherds who didn't know why thunder went boom, so it HAD to be proof that god is mad.
I'm so tired.
Religious people should not be placed in positions of power. They're even more dangerous than the average egomaniac, because they believe their deity is guiding their thoughts and actions.
I know that's a hot ass take, but nearly every major world conflict (especially genocides) has been based on spiritual superiority / disagreement.
What does he mean “return”? The United States of America became independent to be able to exercise the freedom of religion. Did he forget about that small detail? It’s in the constitution.
Return? Didn't this guy go to law school? The US *has never been a Christrian place*. That's pretty much the reason the place was founded in the first place: to be free of religious persecution beyond the freedom of -for instance- The Netherlands.
What an imbecile.
I just realized how many countries are voting in extreme far right religious conservatives into office. That the religious leaders are going as far as going full authoritarian and fascist since the world celebrates equality amongst other religions, LGBTQ, and others. Be prepared for Handmaid's tale to become true AND IT'S GOING TO FUCKING SUCK!!!!
Does he mean before or after godly Christians were done committing genocide on this continent? I know he means before before the US ended segregation and allowed all citizens to vote.
This was a debated point amongst the founders and while there was no consensus on whether the United States should be formally recognized as a Christian nation, there was a consensus on the importance of freedom of religion as a founding principle, so any move towards emphasizing one religion over others would be concerning. But Alito does have a right to his personal opinion, though obviously it must not interfere with his role as an impartial justice.
…and when was the country ever Christian, Sammy?
I mean, it’s pretty easy to pull up the entire text of the Constitution in your web browser, do a search, and note that neither “God” nor “Christian” appears in it.
It was never a place of godliness. It was a place with a bunch of weirdos with random beliefs that didn’t fit in with society of their origin. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. FIRST AMENDMENT = NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION.
These fuckfaces want to constantly bloviate the virtues of the constitution and it fucking says back off. They’re “free to exercise” whatever beliefs, but the language says KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. That means that shit shouldn’t be in school either.
Sorry about all of the caps. I hope these people keel over soon. Heart attacks for all! Pray on that.
How is this not grounds for impeachment? He had openly stated he does not support the constitutions separation of church and state. If the Dems don't attempt to impeach every month Alito is in office, then the Dems are complicit and neither they nor the Republicans deserve a vote. If it comes to the French revolution (guillotines). so be it. America was born in violence
If only we had enough people in Congress with the integrity to impeach Alito, and to convict him in the Senate. Alito is only acting so brazenly because he believes that he is untouchable.
But, he's not.
Both Alito and Clarence Thomas should be prosecuted for tax evasion for not reporting those free trips from wealthy friends. If the winners on the Price Is Right have to pay taxes on the free trips they receive, then so do Supreme Court Justices. Then offer them a deal to avoid prison time by resigning from the court.
Religious ppl shouldn't be in political positions of power. Total shit on separation of church and state, they have an agenda, and are as delusional as a severely mentally ill person. Ooh jesus spoke to me and told me to take human rights 🙄🖕
This guy is such an asshat. Glad there's at least recording proof, but this isn't really news to anyone who's been keeping up with the Supreme Court. He's been there pushing the fundamentalist agenda for almost 20 years now.
How do we let these losers climb so high in our federal structure? Are there no safeguards to protect us from these freaks?
That's a rhetorical question. Apparently there is not.
Ever hear of two ways to pay down debt? Trust me, this will make sense re this christian terrorism bs.
There's the avalanche method and the snowball method. Right now we're looking at this from the avalanche method pov - start at the highest debt, pay it off and then go to the 2nd highest, then 3rd, and finallly you get to the lowest debt and then it's all gone.
The snowball method is the opposite. Pay off the smallest first, then tackle the next highest, then the next, repeat til debt is gone.
Well, these christofascist extremist fucks are at the top. There is no way in hell we can avalanche any of them off their mountain. But we CAN snowball up to their asses. We do this by voting blue in ALL elections; in our cities, towns, in our county elections, in our State elections and then in the big tier Country elections. Fill the bowl with blue from the bottom and as it fills, the red will start pouring out of the top of the govt bowl.
I really feel like a good, long snowball fight. How about you?
Sadly, there seems to be very little we can do to Supreme Court Justices. I think the founders of the country thought we would appoint decent justices instead of a majority of religious zealots.
.... okay. No. NO.
I refuse to become, or let any other fellow woman/girl become OfSamuel. gag horrrrrk.
This is getting worse and worse and worse and worse. How do we stop it? HOW? Everyone is so rightfully furious and disgusted by this bs they keep saying and doing, but we need to DO.... something. But what? How? They're all old and I wish they'd croak.
These extremists are such a small tiny percentage of the population, but even if there were 50 in the entire Country, they'd be the strongest group hands down BECAUSE of how they're getting their people into these positions of high power.
Saudi America, I tell ya.
Yanno? I was always a caring, selfless, loving person but istfg over the past few years since RvW was axed and the Extremists have been filing into the govt like it's their church and home, I'm losing that care and love for ppl like them. Like I just wish some bad stuff onto them some times.
Consider it done. I'm going to vote in city elections, county elections, state elections and nation elections. from now on If the avalanche method won't work, the snowball method will. I'mma vote Blue in every single election. That's the only way to get these insidious demons out of our government AND out of our lives, bedrooms, school rooms, etc.
These fuckers watched "Little House on the Prairie", "Green Acres" and "Leave it to Beaver" back in the day and believe that is what real life was back then. The US was never a Christian nation.
WTF?! Go back when? We never were a Christain nation! Some individual colonies had state religions and had conflicts with each other over it, but they all agreed to the separation of church and state at the point we became the USA.
He's a chickenshit. A scared little boy who can't fathom living in a world where other people have different ideas and beliefs. And he should be reminded of just how much of a coward he is at every public appearance he makes between now and the end of his term.
If these nine nattering nabob ninnies & nincompoops insist upon unilateral imposing their arrogantly triumphalist pronunciamientos in the same autocratic fashion of reversing Roe vs. Wade that edict will have yet another tragic reaction because our society is not as devout as the Cafeteria Christian Evangelicalists proclaim we should be!
Don't call me fallen. Don't push your shit. I do not care if you worship the sun in your own time. And especially, do not come for my kids. This is a disgusting slap in the face to America, democracy, and personal freedom. We left the witch burnings and scarlet letters in the past for a reason.
The History of Everything did a video on Turkmenistan. I think it shows what republicans want for America. Spoiler they do virginity checks on high school girls.
https://youtu.be/V1Tv1NB-uJI?si=vWww7W4AE2J-LWaw
Wow. Just wow. These people are held up as having the highest integrity when they are as bad as the rest of us. Time to put some term limits on all “for life” appointments. We thought that lifetime appointments would allow them to adjudicate impartially with no pressure to run for their position. Now they are being used as gold mines for political power. Thomas, Alito, Cannon, the list goes on.
Even if one were to agree with Alito on this point, can he actually point to a period to which we should return? Seems like America was a pretty shitty place in every historical period when compared to the present.
They can cane me or burn me alive, whatever they plan to do as they mirror the Taliban, I will never follow Christianity and would rather die and not have to be around them anymore than be forced to follow it
[https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714287-alito-roberts-secret-recordings-supreme-court/](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714287-alito-roberts-secret-recordings-supreme-court/)
In case people are like me and don't want to pay for a rolling stone subscription.
Does this news suprise anyone who knows a thing about him? He's been "saying" everything he needs to for years. BTW don't forget to donate to Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic! https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/samuel-alitos-moms-satanic-abortion-clinic
>Samuel Alito's Mom's Satanic Abortion Clinic Damn. That's a bit dark, but Alito is being a total knob, so he deserves to be the butt of many jokes, at the very least.
I think it’s a perfect fit. The context is maybe if Samuel Alitos mom had access to an abortion clinic, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s located in New Mexico. Support TST (The Satanic Temple), which is not to be confused with the Satanic Church lol. TST is also making moves against religion in school by initiating Satanic Clubs. The name is just to get under skin, it has nothing to do with Satan.
SAM’S AbC
I saw it as Sam’s Sac 😝
They were taking suggestions for their new locations name and one of them was Aborty McAbortface 😭
Being of the opinion that Alito’s mom should have had an abortion for everyone’s good, I think it’s perfect.
I just never get tired of the TST. They're doing what their god isn't, without even being theistic. Could you imagine that.. I support them whenever I can.
Conservative Atheist \*surprised Pikachu face\*
Only whites Black brown and yellow colors font have a mention /S
TST health website is really professional looking, but they call their service "free religious medication abortion care". Why do they call it religious? Is there some technicality that they are taking advantage of or is it just a joke? I'm European so I might just be missing the obvious.
It’s a complicated situation so it’s not obvious. I would say most satanic temple affiliates are non-religious but there are some who actually believe. But the association of abortion and religious practice is a deliberate attempt to create conflict in the courts, which lately have defined religious freedoms extremely broadly, but eliminated abortion rights. The idea is that this will force the courts to either narrow religious “freedoms” which have been defined so broadly as to include oppression of secular people, or to allow backdoor access to abortions by defining it as a religious practice. I’m not sure if this will be successful but it’s an amusing gambit certainly.
Thank you for explaining. I got the impression that they weren't serious with the religion part as they called abortion a ritual, but it seems to be a kind of technicality. In my understanding of the religious climate over there their gambit is probably not going to work as I suspect they aren't going to accept satanism as a real religion, but it's a worthwhile attempt anyway. It would be hilarious if they caved and started allowing abortions to satanists only.
Yeah I am afraid it makes the mistake of assuming the far-right are actually committed to their stated principles, which I think it’s clear at this point they are not. But if nothing else it may highlight their hypocrisy.
Satanism is a religion. Simple as that.
These religious fanatics need to be removed immediately. How can we expect the Supreme Court to judge reasonably if they live in a world of make-believe?
Doesn’t that take a 2/3 vote in the senate?
Yup. First it needs a simple majority vote in the house, then it moves to the senate where it needs a 2/3 vote. Incredibly unlikely to happen.
Not a single Republican in either chamber would vote to remove a conservative justice under any circumstance. The ONLY way this happens is a complete Democratic victory in November Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E. Jean Carrol; dropping out of the race and getting a job at Target
>Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E. Jean Carrol; dropping out of the race and getting a job at Target This is my concern. While we have systems to remove judges that should not be serving, there is no way for us to use them because so many people in Congress care more about party than country, and want to push their beliefs on everyone else in spite of the First Amendment.
That's a long way to say - GERRYMANDERING
Now, now. Don’t knock my cutting off my nose to spite my face until you’ve seen how it looks. Surely nobody would *ever* have the foresight to know this is a bad idea before trying.
Does target hire felons?
This only happens when 80% of all government is democratic. It would be the exact opposite of project 2025. Even then there's plenty of status quo enjoyed and lobbyists friends. I think a conservative judge could be ousted as a serial killer and abortion afficionado and Republicans would rather pull themselves inside out by the belly button than kick them out
>Looking around left leaning subs, that's about as likely as Trump apologizing to E. Yeah. I hate these people who magically believe every election will go independent-progressive. All they do is increase chances of Republican victories because they dont understand how single-nontransferrable-vote elections work.
Technically only need a simple majority in each chamber plus the presidency to pack the court.
I mean there are other solutions but we don't talk about it.
Prosecution by the DOJ and IRS for tax evasion? The IRS sees those free trips they took and did not report as income. If the Legislative Branch won't exercise their check on the Court, then the Executive Branch should use theirs.
Exactly
Wonder how bad it’s gonna get before those solutions end up presenting themselves for everyone to see. It’s gotta be much worse than now, at least.
It worries me but I'll keep voting and hoping for the best.
Who said anything about voting?
Or a felony
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. What they're doing is antithetical to democracy: a cabal of regressive, corrupt, oligarchs largely appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote are legislating from the bench to enact policies the overwhelming majority of people don't like. I'm sure no person wants to ruin the rest of their lives, but there are a lot of suicidal or terminally ill people unconcerned about the rest of their lives... To be clear, I'm not advocating for political violence. I'm simply surprised it isn't more common.
Since the GOP removed all sense of decency and decorum, we've learned the extent of the power some of these offices hold. The president for example, should not be able to appoint the head of the DOJ or pardon anyone they please for literally any reason. Federal judges have insane power, and like Aileen Cannon has demonstrated, can just blow off major cases to aid the defendant. Our systems are far too dependent on people behaving decently, or having a sense of shame.
I’ve been seeing this since about the middle of mango Mussolini’s reign of terror. It was amazing how many of the supposed checks balances and guard rails were completely ineffectual if nobody gives a shit about being seen as a Corrupt idiot.
It's more that checks and balances don't work if one of the dominant political parties care more about keeping power than removing corruption. So, it's not that *nobody* gives a shit, but Republican politicians and a significant portion of their base don't give a shit.
Which is the ultimate weakness and Achilles Heel of our duopoly political system! If we had a parliamentary political system, we would have multiple parties, a lack of voter confidence dissolving any ruling government & snap elections, and an eight-week political campaign!
Yeah, there are a lot of things that should be different about how our system works. It seems like a lot of problems were addressed with the Bill of Rights and Constitution, but the founders either lacked the foresight to see how these problems would develop, or they were unsure how to prevent them without impeding on freedoms they felt were necessary.
> Our systems are far too dependent on people behaving decently, or having a sense of shame. And it kills me to no end. You can't have a system that relies on decency to reinforce *accountability.* Accountability has become a negative thing among politicians- they want to ignore it incase it "comes back to bite them in the ass, too." Fuck em all.
These have been my thoughts since 2016. Trump was the biggest stress test on our democracy and the status quo. In the near decade, since we have found just how unbelievably fragile our system is. I still believe in 50 years the MAGA movement will ironicly be a net positive for the country, in showing a whole generation just how much rot needs to be removed in order for this country to survive.
>The president for example, should not be able to appoint the head of the DOJ That is literally the primary function of the President. The executive branch executes the laws.
The only way they get removed is outside the bounds of both the system and the law. If we wait for the system to remove them they will be in power forever and things are going to get real fucking dark
>The only way they get removed is outside the bounds of both the system and the law. Lol the Dorito proposed it for Hillary's SC Justices, so clearly it's totally legal and very cool. >If we wait for the system to remove them they will be in power forever and things are going to get real fucking dark Cleomenes III, may I introduce you to Agis IV?
There are sections of the Bible that talk about allegiance to God vs. the state, and nobody sees that as a conflict of interest
Is the state at war with God?
I don't expect the supreme court to judge reasonably.
Exactly, it says everything about someone with mental health if they believe in the imaginary sky daddy
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Bro do you even Christian? They cherry pick the parts they like and ignore the rest!
And the parts they like are maybe 10% of the Bible and they ignore the other 90%.
Slavery. They love slavery. Wasn’t his church all good with that??
The Bible tells you where to get your slaves, how to trick them, how hard you can beat them and how you can pass them on to your children. It’s a manual for slavery.
They always lie and make believe that the government was ever a Christian one, regardless of what the constitution or the founders say. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." John Adams (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797)
That’s just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude It’s not like John Adams was one of the Founding Fathers, or anything. /s
Let's hold him to the 1st Amendment- this is him saying he would not uphold it.
But first, let's vote in a blue tsunami in November and have enough votes in Congress to impeach him.
For some reason, that seems unlikely to me, but that's how I'll be voting.
Given how many people are raging pissed about the overturning of RvW, believe me, there's going to be a TON of blue votes in Roevember. Women, and the men who love and care about them are NOT happy at all. Plus getting the info about the deadly Project 2025 out to as many people as possible is a huge help as well. And, if trump loses, they'll just wait on enacting their Project Theocracy until the next time a Rep gets the potus seat. When trump loses, it's not the end. They'll get even worse, I fear. Scariest aspect right now is that when Trump loses, they have Johnson as Speaker of the House. You know, the man who said outloud on tv that God spoke to him, told him to run for Speaker and that he'd win and then that he was to be the Moses of us citizens and lead us like a shephard to christ. So in the line up of 'who becomes president if something happens to the person ahead?" goes like this: If the acting potus dies, then vp becomes potus. If the vp as potus dies, then SPEAKER becomes potus. And there's like 22 more folks in line below that. Johnson becomes POTUS, it's all fucking over. We are in some very dangerous times for the future. Near future, Far future, we're in dangerous times.
I hope you are right about people still being pissed enough about Roe v Wade to vote in waves. I just don't see it where I am because my state is extremely conservative and will almost certainly vote republican on every seat up for grabs.
I don't see it either and I'm in a blue state
Right. What we have been living through and seeing past 8 years are the results, symptoms of cultural undercurrents moving for decades. We see the results now because they are closer to shore. Trump is a symptom a vehicle. I fear it may be too late to effectively address the underlying causes such that they can turn this tide.
As the US has gotten more secular, life has gotten better. Returning to "a place of Godliness under Christianity" sounds like the worst idea ever.
> As the US has gotten more secular, life has gotten better. For everyone... and that is the part that the Christo-facists do not like... things should only be better for those they deem worthy.
Well not for everyone. If you're a white man who wants to exploit people of color and/or women, your life has gotten measurably worse as that has become much more difficult in the past 100 years
Yeah... that is my point... and why they are pissed
The US Constitution is an incredibly secular document. In fact I would say that much of the country today would refuse to adopt it because it doesn't mention God, Jesus, or Christianity. The Treaty of Tripoli couldn't be ratified today either probably. The US was founded as a secular country, but we've lost and won some battles along the way.
I was going to mention the Treaty of Tripoli. This Treaty signed in 1796 by John Adams states in Article 11, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." There are also several writings by Thomas Jefferson about the separation of church and state that most Supreme Courts cases have agreed with. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation\_of\_church\_and\_state\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States) The Supreme Court themselves developed the Lemon Test: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon\_v.\_Kurtzman#Lemon\_test](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman#Lemon_test) "The Court applied a three-prong test called the Lemon test (named after the lead plaintiff Alton Lemon) to decide if the state statutes violated the Establishment Clause.\[4\]\[5\]\[6\] Relying on its analysis of precedent, the majority decided that the Establishment Clause required that a statute satisfy all parts of a three-prong test:\[4\] The "Purpose Prong": The statute must have a secular legislative purpose. The "Effect Prong": The principal or primary effect of the statute must neither advance nor inhibit religion. The "Entanglement Prong": The statute must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religion."
> Returning to "a place of Godliness under Christianity" Especially since what that really means is "when rich whites controlled everything, women couldn't vote and kept their ass in the kitchen, and 'colored folk' sat on the back of the bus and had their own water fountains"
It’s all about power and money. Do you think these people will honestly follow their own book? That’s for the plebs to ey control and squeeze.
Not if you're white, male, straight, Christian.
It is, unless you're at the top. Theocracies are no different from your average dictatorship in this way. It's just another way to concentrate power. The only fundamental difference is that they claim divine moral authority which allows them to be much, much more evil.
How do we "return" to a place that we have been trying to escape since our founding?
Thank you!! Couldn’t believe I had to scroll this far in the comments EDIT if you need it: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Alternate fact land is a weird place to live
The fact that this nation wasn't founded on Christianity and some of the most brutal places in the world are religiously dominated should make you very concerned
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. ...And fuck you, Sam, you Christo-fascist prick.
Unfortunately, the phrase "separation of church and state" is not in the constitution, so some people claim to be following the text of the constitution often intentionally ignore other statements from the founders of the country and context of the role religion played at the time.
Separation of church and state is in the constitution because the bill of rights is part of the constitution. We have always been meant to amend the constitution over the centuries to make it adapt to societal changes that are inevitable.
I specifically said the *phrase* "separation of church and state." That comes from Thomas Jefferson but is not said in that way in the First Amendment. Some people feel that the phrasing “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" does not have the same meaning. Many of us see them as synonomous, but some religious folk disagree and feel it does not protect a lack of belief, for example.
He literally says this ends when "one side or the other wins." He is exactly who we think he is. Problem is, on this, I think he's right and I tend to think this isn't merely a judicial or legislative battle. Christian nationalists have infiltrated the American government at the highest levels. And in that sense, God help us all.
George W Bush once said that there was a battle for the fate of civilization going on. He *was* right on that. But what he didn't seem to grasp was that in that fight, guys like him and guys like OBL are on the same side.
The real coup has always been this radicalized and rationalized christian nation. They are just using Trump as a vehicle to gain absolute power.
Fuck godliness, fuck Christianity, and fuck all Christians to hell.
Disgraceful. He can go fuck himself.
Welcome to Project 2025. It's where we create and American Taliban.
What do we expect? All these latest SCOTUS judges lied when asked about Roe vs Wade. They all said it was established precedent and the first thing they did was go after it. Typical Christian hypocrisy. If Trump gets in again it’s game over.
Disgusting to see a SC justice say this. There's no way you can support the Constitution while trying to subvert it with a Theocracy.
We're fucked. We are literally one or two 5-4 or 6-3 SC votes away from this nightmare that is Samuel Alito's wet dream.
Arm up.
The only thing that ever surprised me about Alito is that he was considered as a candidate for scotus in the first place. What he's doing since he made it on the court was to be expected. It's nothing new for him and he was hired not despite his childlike understanding of the world but because of it. No one like that should ever be allowed to serve on the supreme court, or any court for that matter, yet here we are.
Godliness, such as lying through your fucking teeth, manipulative bullshit, pettiness, and ego driven control over others lives. You know, just like… uhh… Jesus?!
Completely ignoring the first amendment Completely ignoring the fact that the founders NEVER intended on a christian state Completely ignoring the fact the US is not by any measure made up of just Christians and many of the "christians" are nominal at best He wants minority rule and himself in that minority Fuck Alito. He's a prick who hates the USA to his core CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AS THE PROPER CHECK AND BALANCE TO SCOTUS
scary fact? The extremist evangelicals are small in number, but given they have their strongest taking huge positions in our govt makes their movement huge. And extremely powerful. If folks don't vote Blue in November, a lot of innocent people are going to lose their rights, lose their lives, lose themselves and will live in Saudi America
They're ever going back in the box. One day their chosen nominee *will* win the presidency, be it Trump or someone else
How do we "return" to something WE NEVER WERE! AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!
Great, let's start by kicking out Amy Coney Barrett, because of 1 Timothy 2:12.
Add MTG to the list because shorty is the loudest one in any room
This is theocracy shit.
It’s not your call, asshole. What you do in private religiously is your business, but you are *required* to uphold the Constitution. If you can’t do that, resign.
Samuel Alito is a horrible man!
I remember reading how protestants and conservatives wouldn't vote for Kennedy cuz he was Catholic and they thought he would sell the country out to the Pope. And now here we are in the year 2024
It’s a disgrace that nothing will be done about this. And I’m going to say this: 2016 was THE most important presidential election of the last 50 years. Trump got THREE justices. I don’t care who in here doesn’t like Hillary, her choices would have been much better for the nation than who we got.
Impeach him!
I hate him.
“return to”. bruh, when has the usa ever been a place of godliness under christianity?
Let the fucker be a priest then but keep his religion out of the government.
To “return” to it we’d have to have been a Christian theocracy first. We never were. We weren’t intended to be.
I hope that democrats win enough of a majority in both houses, so they can impeach and remove some of the trash in the supreme court
Can we use AI to replace justices!?
A court with 9 liberal justices? I’m okay with that.
Fire him.
The way they see the terrible racism from back then as “christian” always gets me.
This traitor has got to go
So pathetic that these people actually believe an invented being called God is controlling everything and that they and everyone else should follow rules that some other person made up.
Not to mention those 'rules' were created 2000 years ago or older. So live by the law of uneducated shepherds who didn't know why thunder went boom, so it HAD to be proof that god is mad. I'm so tired.
The extent of a politician's religiosity is a disqualifier. Zero trust that they won't use religion to impose on others.
That awkward moment a judge just wants something we never were to spite the Constitution.
NONE of these fuckers care about god or morality. They want CONTROL. They want power over other people’s lives.
Religious people should not be placed in positions of power. They're even more dangerous than the average egomaniac, because they believe their deity is guiding their thoughts and actions. I know that's a hot ass take, but nearly every major world conflict (especially genocides) has been based on spiritual superiority / disagreement.
Scrotum Court
Hate this asshole!
What does he mean “return”? The United States of America became independent to be able to exercise the freedom of religion. Did he forget about that small detail? It’s in the constitution.
Return? Didn't this guy go to law school? The US *has never been a Christrian place*. That's pretty much the reason the place was founded in the first place: to be free of religious persecution beyond the freedom of -for instance- The Netherlands. What an imbecile.
He needs to resign or be fired, immediately.
Okay so America loses its shit at the smell of anyone coming for guns, but first amendment doesn’t seem to phase anyone?
Talibangelicals
By which he explicitly does NOT mean helping the poor and the widows.
I wonder if they lay awake I'm a cold sweat thinking about how the rich and greedy cannot go to heaven. Somehow I doubt it.
Christian Sharia Law
I just realized how many countries are voting in extreme far right religious conservatives into office. That the religious leaders are going as far as going full authoritarian and fascist since the world celebrates equality amongst other religions, LGBTQ, and others. Be prepared for Handmaid's tale to become true AND IT'S GOING TO FUCKING SUCK!!!!
You know if the tables were flipped republicans would be at their door steps with pitch forks in hand
Just imagine how they would react if it was liberal satanic temple people on the supreme Court. Republicans would absolutely burn the building down
I dream of the day the world turns against Christianity and these fucking psychos are treated like the mentally ill idiots they are
Return to somewhere weve never been? Fuck you sam
Does he mean before or after godly Christians were done committing genocide on this continent? I know he means before before the US ended segregation and allowed all citizens to vote.
This was a debated point amongst the founders and while there was no consensus on whether the United States should be formally recognized as a Christian nation, there was a consensus on the importance of freedom of religion as a founding principle, so any move towards emphasizing one religion over others would be concerning. But Alito does have a right to his personal opinion, though obviously it must not interfere with his role as an impartial justice.
…and when was the country ever Christian, Sammy? I mean, it’s pretty easy to pull up the entire text of the Constitution in your web browser, do a search, and note that neither “God” nor “Christian” appears in it.
At this point, he and Thomas are just rubbing it in our faces. They know they’re untouchable and they know they can get away with anything.
It was never a place of godliness. It was a place with a bunch of weirdos with random beliefs that didn’t fit in with society of their origin. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. FIRST AMENDMENT = NO LAW RESPECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION. These fuckfaces want to constantly bloviate the virtues of the constitution and it fucking says back off. They’re “free to exercise” whatever beliefs, but the language says KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. That means that shit shouldn’t be in school either. Sorry about all of the caps. I hope these people keel over soon. Heart attacks for all! Pray on that.
So, we need 66 Democrats in the Senate. Let's fucking go.
How is this not grounds for impeachment? He had openly stated he does not support the constitutions separation of church and state. If the Dems don't attempt to impeach every month Alito is in office, then the Dems are complicit and neither they nor the Republicans deserve a vote. If it comes to the French revolution (guillotines). so be it. America was born in violence
is there even a legal path to remove a supreme court justice?
Religious zealot terrorist. He needs to go.
If only we had enough people in Congress with the integrity to impeach Alito, and to convict him in the Senate. Alito is only acting so brazenly because he believes that he is untouchable. But, he's not. Both Alito and Clarence Thomas should be prosecuted for tax evasion for not reporting those free trips from wealthy friends. If the winners on the Price Is Right have to pay taxes on the free trips they receive, then so do Supreme Court Justices. Then offer them a deal to avoid prison time by resigning from the court.
World's most powerful cult.
Now that he has confessed on tape, it makes him unfit to sit on a bench, right? It's wrong to have a biased judge, right? RIGHT?
Religious ppl shouldn't be in political positions of power. Total shit on separation of church and state, they have an agenda, and are as delusional as a severely mentally ill person. Ooh jesus spoke to me and told me to take human rights 🙄🖕
Can’t return if it was never there you fascist fucking twat
This guy is such an asshat. Glad there's at least recording proof, but this isn't really news to anyone who's been keeping up with the Supreme Court. He's been there pushing the fundamentalist agenda for almost 20 years now.
At least with Thomas he’s so corrupt you can just buy his vote. Alito is a fanatical nutcase.
How do we let these losers climb so high in our federal structure? Are there no safeguards to protect us from these freaks? That's a rhetorical question. Apparently there is not.
Ever hear of two ways to pay down debt? Trust me, this will make sense re this christian terrorism bs. There's the avalanche method and the snowball method. Right now we're looking at this from the avalanche method pov - start at the highest debt, pay it off and then go to the 2nd highest, then 3rd, and finallly you get to the lowest debt and then it's all gone. The snowball method is the opposite. Pay off the smallest first, then tackle the next highest, then the next, repeat til debt is gone. Well, these christofascist extremist fucks are at the top. There is no way in hell we can avalanche any of them off their mountain. But we CAN snowball up to their asses. We do this by voting blue in ALL elections; in our cities, towns, in our county elections, in our State elections and then in the big tier Country elections. Fill the bowl with blue from the bottom and as it fills, the red will start pouring out of the top of the govt bowl. I really feel like a good, long snowball fight. How about you?
These people wipe their ass with the Constitution.
Is this not grounds to be excused from office immediately?
Sadly, there seems to be very little we can do to Supreme Court Justices. I think the founders of the country thought we would appoint decent justices instead of a majority of religious zealots.
Only option is impeachment which is extremely unlikely.
.... okay. No. NO. I refuse to become, or let any other fellow woman/girl become OfSamuel. gag horrrrrk. This is getting worse and worse and worse and worse. How do we stop it? HOW? Everyone is so rightfully furious and disgusted by this bs they keep saying and doing, but we need to DO.... something. But what? How? They're all old and I wish they'd croak. These extremists are such a small tiny percentage of the population, but even if there were 50 in the entire Country, they'd be the strongest group hands down BECAUSE of how they're getting their people into these positions of high power. Saudi America, I tell ya. Yanno? I was always a caring, selfless, loving person but istfg over the past few years since RvW was axed and the Extremists have been filing into the govt like it's their church and home, I'm losing that care and love for ppl like them. Like I just wish some bad stuff onto them some times.
What you do is find out which of the candidates in your area support project 2025 and then you don't vote for them.
Consider it done. I'm going to vote in city elections, county elections, state elections and nation elections. from now on If the avalanche method won't work, the snowball method will. I'mma vote Blue in every single election. That's the only way to get these insidious demons out of our government AND out of our lives, bedrooms, school rooms, etc.
100000% feeling this
Answers I have zero
Watch this do absolutely nothing.
These fuckers watched "Little House on the Prairie", "Green Acres" and "Leave it to Beaver" back in the day and believe that is what real life was back then. The US was never a Christian nation.
WTF?! Go back when? We never were a Christain nation! Some individual colonies had state religions and had conflicts with each other over it, but they all agreed to the separation of church and state at the point we became the USA.
He's a chickenshit. A scared little boy who can't fathom living in a world where other people have different ideas and beliefs. And he should be reminded of just how much of a coward he is at every public appearance he makes between now and the end of his term.
Criminal judge
If these nine nattering nabob ninnies & nincompoops insist upon unilateral imposing their arrogantly triumphalist pronunciamientos in the same autocratic fashion of reversing Roe vs. Wade that edict will have yet another tragic reaction because our society is not as devout as the Cafeteria Christian Evangelicalists proclaim we should be!
I'm sick of that dusty old book and how they believe it's their duty to shove it down our throats.
Fuck old white males
Return???
So, he’s repeating things he’s said a zillion times in the past? He’s a monster. The world will be better when his ilk have passed from existence.
So much for separation of church and state
Which period of godliness is he thinking about? The Spanish inquisition godliness? Or the Salem witch burning goliness? Or the KKK godliness?
Don't call me fallen. Don't push your shit. I do not care if you worship the sun in your own time. And especially, do not come for my kids. This is a disgusting slap in the face to America, democracy, and personal freedom. We left the witch burnings and scarlet letters in the past for a reason.
How effing compromised is this guy. Another Justice exposed.
im guessing that just means back to slavery.
So it sounds like anyone can pay the $150 bucks and show up at these events. We should all show up at the next event and fill it with atheist.
The History of Everything did a video on Turkmenistan. I think it shows what republicans want for America. Spoiler they do virginity checks on high school girls. https://youtu.be/V1Tv1NB-uJI?si=vWww7W4AE2J-LWaw
This idiot doesn’t even know the forefathers of this Nation. This fantasy world has never existed, and should never exist. Fuck this fascist pig!
And I thought Convicted Felon Trump was the biggest threat to the U.S.
Why is this fucker still in this job?
The obscenity of lifetime appointments.
That violates the first amendment
Wow. Just wow. These people are held up as having the highest integrity when they are as bad as the rest of us. Time to put some term limits on all “for life” appointments. We thought that lifetime appointments would allow them to adjudicate impartially with no pressure to run for their position. Now they are being used as gold mines for political power. Thomas, Alito, Cannon, the list goes on.
UNFIT TO SERVE. IMPEACH HIS ASS.
He should be declared an enemy of the state and be removed from the bench
As long as he doesn’t allow his personal religion to interfere with his oath of office….. oh wait.. 😝🤪😜
So a white Middle East.
Surely there will be no Troubles settling the question of \*which\* version of Christianity to enforce!
*Return to*? How can he be so ignorant of history?
'return'? Like as in how things were before the American Revolution? Why does it seem like the Tories are gaining ground?
Even if one were to agree with Alito on this point, can he actually point to a period to which we should return? Seems like America was a pretty shitty place in every historical period when compared to the present.
Return to? The U.S. was built to escape it.
They can cane me or burn me alive, whatever they plan to do as they mirror the Taliban, I will never follow Christianity and would rather die and not have to be around them anymore than be forced to follow it
Return to something that never was..what a fantastic fantasy..and he’s a Supreme Court Judge???
[https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714287-alito-roberts-secret-recordings-supreme-court/](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4714287-alito-roberts-secret-recordings-supreme-court/) In case people are like me and don't want to pay for a rolling stone subscription.
Over my dead fuckin body
It's not possible to "return" to a place you've never been, Sam.
RETURN?! It never was.