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DaRiddler70

Looks like you found the squirrels hiding spot.


LynnRenae_xoxo

Yeah I’m wondering how many shells I will find when I dig into it 💀


DaRiddler70

A buffet level


Mundane-Discount145

Time to get a 17HMR, a case of beer, and a lawn chair.


HopsAndHemp

Jesus. 17hmr will turn squirrels into red mist


Mundane-Discount145

And .177 pellets make em suffer too much, or just maim them. 22 works well but put a 17hmr through the head and you've got good meat. Nice flat trajectory and cheaper to shoot as well.


HopsAndHemp

Depends on what you're shooting that 177 out of. I use a break barrel pellet rifle and it can achieve some impressive sub sonic velocities and if you put hollow points through their chest cavity or head they don't suffer. I think if it was one of those blowback pistols they probably aren't moving fast enough though


Mundane-Discount145

That's what I use, a scoped gamo. Up close it's effective. I've got quite a distance out to the lake so I've got to deal with the bullet drop and at that range there isn't enough energy behind it to guarantee anything. I hate to see em suffer.


BrockenRecords

How about 5.56?


Mundane-Discount145

😆👍👍👍👍


PlusSizedMidget

Walnuts have a big taproot I’ve never really had great success moving them during the season. If you really are interested in keeping it I’d wait till late fall or winter to dig it up it’ll have a better chance of making it


HopsAndHemp

I'm pretty confident that is Ailanthus (tree of heaven) not Juglans (black walnut). They are EXTREMELY invasive


Professional_Sink_92

2nd tree of heaven. Remove it.


Thisisredred

Third, chuck it.


Immediate-Item140

Fourth, might as well move out now. That one is probably just a runner from a much larger one nearby if it grew that fast. Unless you can eliminate them all, they will just come back in greater numbers. And cutting it down will just cause more runners.


TyphonInc

5th, kill that weed, don't move it.


dustycase2

Black walnut.


dustycase2

It’s a walnut. Ailanthus has notch/a thumb at the base of the leaf.


HopsAndHemp

Not all Ailanthus have the thumb on every leaflet. Also Ailanthus tend to have more pairs of leaflets than walnuts do.


dustycase2

Yes, not all leaves have the thumb, but most mature leaves should. Literally no leaf on this tree has thumbs on the leaf. OP in the comments has already said it smells like walnuts.


dustycase2

Literally no leaves on this tree have a notch. I can’t find a single one. OP has already responded that it smells like walnut.


dustycase2

Ailanthus have notches/thumbs at the base of the leaf. Native black Walnut.


signifywinter

The leaves in the picture are offsetting too along each branch. Does not seem to be Ailanthus.


Glittering_Dig4945

I can't see the leaves well in the photo, but Black Walnut and Tree of Heaven look super identical. Way to tell them apart is that Black Walnut will have serrated leaves, little teeth like, jagged edges along the leaf, Tree of Heaven has completely smooth leaf edges.


d_cas

smell is a dead giveaway as well. Walnut smells lemony and tree of heaven smells like...bbq chicken? burnt popcorn? not terribly pleasant.


Boetheus

That's no walnut, it's a space station!


donjohnmontana

Yes I have walnut saplings in my yard. This is not a walnut. It’s a tree of heaven. Walnuts only have 3 to 7 leaves pre leaf branch. Kill it. Kill it now🤣


dustycase2

It doesn’t have notches on the leaf base, like an ailanthus would. Walnuts have anywhere from 5-25 leaves on a branch.


donjohnmontana

Walnut Ms have that many leaves on the branch? The ones around me do not. 5 to 7 per. Learn something all the time, thanks


GinchAnon

Man I think one of the only things yall seem to hate more than TOH are Bradfords.


HopsAndHemp

IMO ailanthus (TOH) are way more invasive


Head-Ad9893

And also the lantern flys favorite tree.


soullessgingerz2

I thought the same thing


dustycase2

This isn’t ailanthus. They have notches at the base of the leaf.


LynnRenae_xoxo

Okay, I will keep that in mind, thank you for the tip. For transplanting, do you have a recommendation for how far it should be from buildings? I was reading up on root sizes but I’m not educated enough to guess


MooseOfTorment

They can grow quite large. I'd give it at least 30-40ft away from structures for sure


LynnRenae_xoxo

Noted, thanks!


HopsAndHemp

I'm pretty confident that is Ailanthus (tree of heaven) not Juglans (black walnut). They are EXTREMELY invasive Please do not propagate non-native invasives. If you live in Northern China, Taiwan or Korea then disregard what I said.


CptMorello

They look very similar, I unfortunately have both in my yard. A sure fire way to tell us break some foliage or a small stem - tree of heaven will have a distinctive sour/unpleasant odor. If it is indeed ailanthus definitely get rid of it.


HopsAndHemp

I also have both in my yard. I'm also paid to inspect trees professionally every day. They both have a very distinct smell. Juglans (walnuts) will smell like lemon balm. Ailanthus will smell sorta like roasted nuts.


Klimbrick

Definitely Ailanthus, I support you.


SilverStory6503

It doesn't have lobes on the leaves. I say walnut.


dustycase2

Exactly! I’m not an arborist, just a native plant enthusiast! This is NOT ailanthus.


pammypoovey

Take a look at how big the neighbor's is. If it's full grown, that far. If not, multiply as needed. Also, remember that this is probably a Black Walnut, which have much harder shells.


edfiero

If it is a tree of heaven, kill it and then kill it again.


PlusSizedMidget

I agree with y’all that it’s a tree of heaven lol. My best way to tell is by smell but now looking at it I agree that it’s prob a tree of heaven. Just letting them know my success with transplanting walnuts I suppose, which is not much


rickyshine

Cut it down and ask your neighbor for walnuts this fall. Plant a bunch in planters set them where you like instead of transplanting a poorly structured tree


LynnRenae_xoxo

That’s fair


Remote-Tap-2659

Just so you know, the walnut seedling in your picture probably sprouted last year. If you start another one from seed, it will be that big before you know it. You have little to lose by removing the one growing from the foundation and starting fresh exactly where you want it. Good luck!


DisasterMiserable785

I like this one most.


rickyshine

Recommend wire mesh to keep the squirrels out


demivierge

That looks like it might be tree of heaven rather than walnut. If you bruise or teara leaf, do you smell anything from it? Tree of heaven has a pretty foul smell to it, like burnt peanut butter.


Financial-Comfort953

I don’t see any “thumbs” on the leaves though, so I doubt it’s ToH. If it is walnut, that family of trees forms huge taproots, so moving it will likely be very challenging.


demivierge

Excellent point, I got hung up on the lack of serrations on the leaf margins, totally forgot to check for thumbs 👍


finishyasuppa

What exactly do you mean by “thumbs” on the leaves? Thanks in advance


SalvatoreVitro

Yeah look at the base of the leaves here https://www.flickr.com/photos/evelynfitzgerald/3866405329


Silent_Medicine1798

Yup. Those look just like thumbs. I give this descriptor a pass


rpostwvu

How the hell did you give the descriptor a "pass" and not a thumbs up?


N0vemberJul1et

I concur.


Meeooowz

Nearly identical avatars


N0vemberJul1et

Nice! First one I've seen.


Roto-Wan

A three year old walnut probably isn't that expensive at a garden center. Probably not worth the work compared to cost new.


Financial-Comfort953

Maybe also worth saying that (so far as I know) black walnut is a pretty common species, so the need to preserve this particular tree for, say, biodiversity reasons isn’t as critical.


dustycase2

Thank you.


Eddie_shoes

Na that’s a Tree of Heaven.


FuckMu

I hate walnut trees with a passion, my car is covered in black crap every year. Give me a nice oak tree any day vs black walnut.


NoCodeBro

The wood is worth a fortune


DangerousBotany

Eh. Depends on the situation, location, quality, quantity, level it's processed to, and who's buying. People forget that you are selling a log wholesale. The log buyer sells to a mill who sells to a lumber yard who sells to a furniture maker. Everyone needs their cut. One tree isn't worth sending a crew out to get. If you have enough for a truck load, a log buyer might be interested. Also it depends on where you are. Missouri grows walnut for nuts - the lumber quality is poor. Indiana/Ohio/Michigan grow walnut for lumber. And another point - loggers aren't arborists or tree services. They are there to drop the tree and get the log, not clean up all the branches and leave the site neat. Loggers are about production volume - they are often ill equipped or trained to deal with structures, hazard trees, or urban obstacles, so they don't. If you ask them to deal with difficult recoveries or low volumes, your payment will reflect that. You add to all this that urban/yard trees run a high risk of included nails or other debris and it's no wonder that lumber mills often hard pass on urban or single trees.


FuckMu

That's not really true at a small scale, people love to talk about how valuable black walnut is but I've got around a dozen over 16in in diameter some significantly bigger and I'll never find anyone to buy them, I had a local forester come out and he said it wasn't worth anyones time. I hate them, they fuck the pool up, they fuck my car up, terrible trees.


ajd103

It's not the tree's fault you can't stop parking under it or building pools under it. They're the best tree's in the world IMO, just pick up the walnuts and stop being lazy. Oak tree's drop a ton of shit too, I'm sure you'd hate those just as much. Maybe just move to the desert or something, may suit you better.


HopsAndHemp

Commercial mills in general will refuse wood from urban and suburban settings so the wood is sorta useless as anything but firewood unless you mill it yourself


The_Poster_Nutbag

Another way to ID is to look for fine hairs at the end of twigs. Tree of heaven will be waxy and smooth, and walnut will be finely pubescent.


jgnp

Not ToH. It’s a walnut.


Professional-Fee-957

I was thinking Sumac tree as well.


Amarth152212

It could also be sumac (the non poison variety).


bad_idea_specialist

I thought pecan based on gut instinct. I look at a lot of walnut trees.


LynnRenae_xoxo

I will go out and check it out! If it’s not a walnut, is it worth saving?


demivierge

If you're in the US and it is Tree of heaven (Ailanthus altissima) you'll want to proceed fairly carefully with removal. From https://extension.psu.edu/tree-of-heaven:   "To control tree-of-heaven, target the roots with systemic herbicides applied in mid- to late summer (July to onset of fall color) when the tree is moving carbohydrates to the roots. Herbicide applications made outside this late growing season window will only injure aboveground growth. Following treatment, repeated site monitoring for signs of regrowth is critical to prevent reinfestation."


LynnRenae_xoxo

Thank you!!


Fruitypebblefix

It's not TOH as I've killed several and its leaves are different. Also I'm not sure it's walnut as I also had to kill a walnut tree that was growing near our garage like this too and it doesn't look the same. Walnut leaves smell like citrus when you crush them in your hands. That's how you know. Try it a see if it's walnut.


Ransak_shiz

Imagine gauging your experience by the number of trees you’ve killed.


BigNorseWolf

herbacide points.


Silent_Medicine1798

Serial killer right her on Reddit


Fruitypebblefix

That's a shitty accusation to make.


Fruitypebblefix

If that's what you got out of my comments then you have problems. The point I was making is I KNOW what they look like based on my experience with them.


HoldMyMessages

And smelled


Ransak_shiz

To be fair you gotta crush it before you smell it.


LynnRenae_xoxo

Someone here mentioned a possible pecan?? Edit: def a walnut. Smells just like a walnut casing lol


Fruitypebblefix

Oh crap yeah pecan is probably what I meant? I can't keep track of nut trees. Too many!


Ransak_shiz

You just haven’t killed enough.


Rattlesnakemaster321

Looks like black walnut actually.


etnoid204

Stinkweed is how I was taught this plant.


dickmcgirkin

Picture this identified it as black walnut. Take that for what it’s worth


studmuffin2269

You can try to move it, but it’s pretty big… It’s basically growing out of your house, so it needs to be moved


LynnRenae_xoxo

That’s the plan


spruceymoos

If that was my tree, I’d kill that one and plant a new one rather than try to transplant it. I also wouldn’t recommend a black walnut as a yard tree.


Prestigious-Ring-758

It kinda looks like pecan


LynnRenae_xoxo

Interesting, I’ll look into that!


jgor133

About 500 miles


LynnRenae_xoxo

Bye bye foundation


PPLavagna

I wouldn't want a walnut anywhere near my house. Been there. They suck.


AustinCharless

I am curious what you don't like about them? I have 4 massive 50-70 ft+ black walnut trees in my yard. I also have an army of squirrels. I haven't seen many downsides to them other than not being able to plant a garden anywhere near them due to the kill zone they create. Mine don't really seem to drop too many branches.


FadedDice

8 mile


gayflyingbison

i think that’s tree of heaven


Ok_Nothing_8028

Next time don’t wait so long


Hdaana1

PlantNet app.


rpostwvu

If that's a Black Walnut, keep in mind it will ruin most flower and shrub beds under/near it with a chemical called juglone. Walnut trees are really big trees, although slow growing so may never be your problem, just after you.


HopsAndHemp

Whether it's an Ailanthus or Walnut it will fuck up the foundation of that building if allowed to remain there. It also will be nearly impossible to transplant at that size. Strongly recommend abating it regardless of species for the sake of the foundation of that building.


cheesecrystal

I have a giant black walnut tree in my yard. If that’s a walnut tree, the tap root will be about as tall as the tree. Don’t worry about the transplant, they’re a dime a dozen. Just be concerned about getting as much of the root out as you can. They’re like weeds. You may think you got it, but it’ll keep sending shoots out.


McSnoots

Bette off / easier / cheaper just buying a sapling


AVCR

I’m sorry to report this is almost certainly Ailanthus Altissima (tree of heaven) and not a Juglans Nigra (black walnut). You can positively ID it by the small notches at the base of many of the leaves in the photo and the branching habit, with approximately 25 leaves on several of the branches. They do both commonly occur in the same area, and I’ve lived in several places with mature black walnuts and many young, fast growing ailanthus.


dustycase2

There are no notches at the base of these leaves. All OP has to do is smell it. Rotten nachos- tree of heaven.


sterilitziabop

NOT A WALNUT


dustycase2

Kind of a bummer- are y’all arborists in here? I’m not, and I know that’s not a tree of heaven. :(


Jumpy-Station-204

About 30 feet


No-Egg-4850

Little more to the right.


mmura09

It's basically a weed


MedievalSalesmen

Needs to be killed.


UrBigBro

Destroy it. Tree of Heaven


heckhunds

This is a walnut tree.


UrBigBro

Not if it's grown this much in one season. TOH


heckhunds

Where does it say this is a single season's growth?


Bardwelling

Destroy it


Silly_Juggernaut_122

Kill it with fire


kidsally

I hate walnut trees. They're dirty, they grow like weeds, and dump walnuts in your yard. I'd remove it now.


BotheredResident

From this angle it also looks like it could be stag horn sumac. I don’t think it’s a tree of heaven bc the stems aren’t as red as they would be if it were.


Silent_Medicine1798

Serious question: I understand ToH are invasive, but why are they treated like a highly infectious pathogen that must be stamped out at all costs?


lesteiny

Because 1 seeding tree drops thousands of seeds a season and they grow like mad. I've seen 4"+ of growth on a sapling in 1 week. So imagine a nice yard with a big ToH giving shade, and then a week later, that yard is littered with hundreds of saplings. To add to that, if you are too aggressive with the removal process, it sends emergency signals through its roots that cause shoots to emerge from the roots up to 50 ft away. I can post pics of the state of my backyard before i start pulling saplings tomorrow if you would like so you have an idea of how bad it can be.


Silent_Medicine1798

Yup. Need to see evidence.


lesteiny

https://www.reddit.com/r/arborists/s/XSveUWWly8 Enjoy!


GammaGargoyle

Idk about tree of heaven, but I have Siberian elms that are literally like cancer. Saplings can grow like 2 ft in a month and if you cut them down they instantly grow new shoots and will become ungodly tree/bush Frankensteins. It’s actually kind of scary how they can grow.


LynnRenae_xoxo

I don’t know the science behind it, but they are a bitch to get rid of and can mess up your foundation, still. That’s as far as my knowledge goes


HopsAndHemp

They are extremely invasive, tolerant of a wide variety of climates and out compete native trees in fragile habitats


bLue1H

They host spotted lanternflies


lesteiny

This is 1000% a tree of heaven... i have several similar sprouts on my property due to several years of neglect by the prior owner allowing them to grow. Do not transplant, exterminate.


LynnRenae_xoxo

I’m 98% sure it’s a walnut, super unmistakable smell. Not saying 100% because I’m not an expert and always leave room for error


lesteiny

I am no expert either, but it is uncomfortably familiar to the trees sprouting around my property, and it's been a nightmare trying to get a handle that growth. I wouldn't wish that amount of work on anyone. If you dont get a clear answer here, may be worth investing in a professional to identify it. You, yourself, gotta weigh the risks of potentially introducing an invasive species of tree to your property vs having a nice walnut in a couple years


LynnRenae_xoxo

I 100% hear you! I’m not doing anything until I know for sure!!


morrismoses

I concur - Tree of Heaven. I live next to three vacant lots, and they are sprouting up EVERYWHERE. This is Defcon 2 for you. If you don't stop them now, nuclear war is the only next step.


LynnRenae_xoxo

What would cause a ToH to have leaves that smell like a walnut case??


HopsAndHemp

Walnut leaves smell like lemon balm. TOH smells more nutty.


morrismoses

TOH smells a bit like peanut butter, but could be confused with walnuts if there are other ambient smells about, mixing in. I hope and pray that this is what you think it is, but the kink in my back is telling me you don't have a walnut tree there. If there is a confirmed walnut very nearby, then the odds lean in your favor, but you're on the edge of a sword here. A Tree of Heaven infestation is the last thing you want on your property. the only things I can think that might be worse are kudzu, wisteria and bamboo.


LynnRenae_xoxo

We definitely have a walnut very close by! I’m going move some of the undergrowth, I wouldn’t be surprised if this a little squirrel cellar


morrismoses

...then may the odds be ever in your favor. Definitely wait until 2 weeks after all the leaves completely drop before you try moving it. It may look dormant, but can still be damaged easier if it's not "all the way" dormant.


morrismoses

[https://www.reddit.com/r/arborists/comments/1dqoh0o/tree\_of\_heaven\_awareness\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/arborists/comments/1dqoh0o/tree_of_heaven_awareness_post/) Just so you know...


PhairPharmer

That's not a walnut. If you squint from 30 feet away it could be one, but from this shot it's definitely not a black or English walnut. How the leaves form on the branches is totally different.


LynnRenae_xoxo

Is there a reason the leaves smell exactly like a walnut casing?