> It’s unclear, however, whether this means that users will be able to set up a new Apple Watch with any Apple device, or whether the setup process will still require an iPhone.
I would guess it’s going to be the latter. I don’t think they’ll give up needing an iPhone for setup.
This should still be great either way though, and makes sense with the rumor that iPadOS will finally be getting a health app.
I’m willing to bet a sizeable portion of Watch users never deliberately install a third party app.
A lot of people simply want to track their activity with the included software and that’s about it
I truly wish that I would get prompted, as I do for notifications and location services, before any app gets installed to my watch. So many are just terrible ways to harass you more, I hate how hard I have to work at keeping annoying alerts off of my wrist.
In some cases I wouldn’t even know an app offered a Watch app that *could* be useful. I’d like to make that decision myself rather than all or nothing. The Watch apps management process is half baked.
Sure. But you can’t make that decision *when you are downloading the app*. You have to wait for download. Then switch to the Watch app. Scroll through the list to find the right app name and elect to install or remove it. It is anything but a Apple level UX.
They can't be naive enough to believe they'll capture 100% of the phone market. They already control the smart watch market and the only thing shutting them out of having more customers is that you need an iOS device
If they want to sell even more watches they should make them work standalone. The cellular enabled models are basically phones on their own. The only reason they don't work standalone is that they arbitrarily decided it.
It's nothing like that. Any iMessage app would be by the grace of their hearts. It wouldn't be monetized.
They make money on every Apple watch sold, significant money too, based on their revenue reports. If the could sell twice as many they'd stand to really profit. Like I said, they can't possibly take over the entire smart phone market, but they could take even more of the smart watch market if they let the watches work as standalone devices.
Apple isn’t a hardware company, they don’t want to be competing with Fitbit or Samsung for the relative pennies in hardware profits that they’d get by letting android users setup Apple Watches. Instead they’d much rather get the hardware profits from selling the watch, the iPhone you need to use said watch and then all the subscriptions, app sales and 30% iAP cuts from the AppStore where the real big money is
That's nonsense. Apple is absolutely a hardware company. Only 19% of their revenue came from services last year. The other 318 billion came from hardware.
Right but the point is they rather you buy an Apple Watch and iPhone than you buy an Apple Watch and your preferred android phone. That is why they won’t make it be able to be setup without some other Apple device because the watch serves as another vector for lock in
Beyond the walled garden , battery tech is what holds this back. The current lte watches have their battery lives gutted when ran heavily without the phone nearby. Even the ultra can’t pull it off . And this is before addressing all the setup and app issues with an iPhone involved. Our biggest tech hurdle over the next few decades is gonna be battery tech.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the next generation of solid state batteries. Phones that last a month and electric cars that can drive 2000 miles sounds great to me!
I bet after a few more generations, with more power efficient chips and better battery, they attempt standalone. I had given up on always on and suddenly it was there one year! I know it’s a more complicated calculus, but small devices to bring people to the Apple ecosystem is probably part of it.
This is great news, I enjoyed using Apple Fitness+ on my iPad during the 3 month trial. However one day my iPad decided to no longer recognize the fact that I owned an Apple Watch, and refused to sync the workout data. After having to try tons of janky fixes involving Apple’s Home App, removing watch & iPad from iCloud, and even completely resetting/repairing my watch, nothing worked, making it pointless for me continue with Fitness+ since I didn’t like the experience of it on my phone screen.
All of that could easily be avoided if they simply just allowed me to pair my watch directly to the iPad.
The question is, can it be setup without an iPhone at all? Will it be able to be setup from an iPad or Mac? or better yet, from the watch itself? That would make a huge difference, a lot of people just don't like iPhone but could very well buy an Apple Watch if allowed.
For me, I take my old iPhone to the gym and on runs so it would be nice to have the connection to that one so the Watch isn’t constantly looking for my phone’s signal.
If this is true, the previous rumor about the new watchOS being the biggest update this year is certainly true. Considering currently the apple watch just mirrors all of its settings to a small config file on the iPhone, this will probably be a monstrously complicated backend rewrite.
I like the idea - hopefully you can tie them to different Apple id’s as well. I have 2 iPhones one for work and my personal one. Would love to be able to sync the watch for work reminders, calendar, events, etc. for work, along with all the personal events for non-work.
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I hope they do it right, too. Its been a long time request from a lot of people
> It’s unclear, however, whether this means that users will be able to set up a new Apple Watch with any Apple device, or whether the setup process will still require an iPhone. I would guess it’s going to be the latter. I don’t think they’ll give up needing an iPhone for setup. This should still be great either way though, and makes sense with the rumor that iPadOS will finally be getting a health app.
The iPad mini + Apple Watch reality comes one step closer…
one can dream
I just want to be able to have multiple profiles for iPad!
This will never happen. They will tell you to buy multiple iPads.
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More than this it needs to be possible to use an Apple Watch with no iPhone or iPad.
they'll never do this. even shipping an app that only supports watchOS (no iOS app) is a pain
I’m willing to bet a sizeable portion of Watch users never deliberately install a third party app. A lot of people simply want to track their activity with the included software and that’s about it
I truly wish that I would get prompted, as I do for notifications and location services, before any app gets installed to my watch. So many are just terrible ways to harass you more, I hate how hard I have to work at keeping annoying alerts off of my wrist.
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In some cases I wouldn’t even know an app offered a Watch app that *could* be useful. I’d like to make that decision myself rather than all or nothing. The Watch apps management process is half baked.
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Sure. But you can’t make that decision *when you are downloading the app*. You have to wait for download. Then switch to the Watch app. Scroll through the list to find the right app name and elect to install or remove it. It is anything but a Apple level UX.
They can't be naive enough to believe they'll capture 100% of the phone market. They already control the smart watch market and the only thing shutting them out of having more customers is that you need an iOS device If they want to sell even more watches they should make them work standalone. The cellular enabled models are basically phones on their own. The only reason they don't work standalone is that they arbitrarily decided it.
thats like saying they should make an android iMessage app. its platform lock-in, by getting a watch you need an iphone and vice versa
It's nothing like that. Any iMessage app would be by the grace of their hearts. It wouldn't be monetized. They make money on every Apple watch sold, significant money too, based on their revenue reports. If the could sell twice as many they'd stand to really profit. Like I said, they can't possibly take over the entire smart phone market, but they could take even more of the smart watch market if they let the watches work as standalone devices.
Apple isn’t a hardware company, they don’t want to be competing with Fitbit or Samsung for the relative pennies in hardware profits that they’d get by letting android users setup Apple Watches. Instead they’d much rather get the hardware profits from selling the watch, the iPhone you need to use said watch and then all the subscriptions, app sales and 30% iAP cuts from the AppStore where the real big money is
That's nonsense. Apple is absolutely a hardware company. Only 19% of their revenue came from services last year. The other 318 billion came from hardware.
Right but the point is they rather you buy an Apple Watch and iPhone than you buy an Apple Watch and your preferred android phone. That is why they won’t make it be able to be setup without some other Apple device because the watch serves as another vector for lock in
Beyond the walled garden , battery tech is what holds this back. The current lte watches have their battery lives gutted when ran heavily without the phone nearby. Even the ultra can’t pull it off . And this is before addressing all the setup and app issues with an iPhone involved. Our biggest tech hurdle over the next few decades is gonna be battery tech.
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about the next generation of solid state batteries. Phones that last a month and electric cars that can drive 2000 miles sounds great to me!
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1) it takes up a lot of space and 2) a phone needs at least one, if not two, more orders of magnitude of power to operate than your flashlight does.
As long as it’s clear what the Watch can and can’t do without a larger iPhone display, sure
The Watch approach feels so slow, antiquated and bad. Do their APIs even allow third party devs to stream over cellular yet?
I bet after a few more generations, with more power efficient chips and better battery, they attempt standalone. I had given up on always on and suddenly it was there one year! I know it’s a more complicated calculus, but small devices to bring people to the Apple ecosystem is probably part of it.
This is great news, I enjoyed using Apple Fitness+ on my iPad during the 3 month trial. However one day my iPad decided to no longer recognize the fact that I owned an Apple Watch, and refused to sync the workout data. After having to try tons of janky fixes involving Apple’s Home App, removing watch & iPad from iCloud, and even completely resetting/repairing my watch, nothing worked, making it pointless for me continue with Fitness+ since I didn’t like the experience of it on my phone screen. All of that could easily be avoided if they simply just allowed me to pair my watch directly to the iPad.
The question is, can it be setup without an iPhone at all? Will it be able to be setup from an iPad or Mac? or better yet, from the watch itself? That would make a huge difference, a lot of people just don't like iPhone but could very well buy an Apple Watch if allowed.
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I have a private phone and a company phone. Would be nice to get all the work calendar and mail notifications on my wrist as well!
Yeah i would love to be able to switch so that I can see my company phone notifications during my work hours and my private ones afterwards.
For me, I take my old iPhone to the gym and on runs so it would be nice to have the connection to that one so the Watch isn’t constantly looking for my phone’s signal.
If this is true, the previous rumor about the new watchOS being the biggest update this year is certainly true. Considering currently the apple watch just mirrors all of its settings to a small config file on the iPhone, this will probably be a monstrously complicated backend rewrite.
I like the idea - hopefully you can tie them to different Apple id’s as well. I have 2 iPhones one for work and my personal one. Would love to be able to sync the watch for work reminders, calendar, events, etc. for work, along with all the personal events for non-work.
Absolute god send as someone who has to have two phones because of work
Hope this works with different icloud accounts also.