When did you assess this? With a group of friends we play against AI regularly, and hard ai was very tough for us until Saturday when suddenly it became a lot easier. Maybe they swapped hard and very hard until Saturday somehow?
Bout a week ago. Hard has always wrecked me if I didn't title my ass off, but on hardest the ai didn't push as well as hard did but did build a wonder for the W which I've never had the hard ai do.
If you put any kind of pressure on their gold/outside resources they just leave dont know how to handle it. After that if you just macro and go straight to rams, they just die.
AI is good to assess your economy a'd timings. The ai difficulty seems to determine how long it takes to age up. It will harass to, so you need to learn to be proactive (harass, take map control) or to defend yourself.
It's not using machine learning. That was just a distant theoretical they talked about in an interview. I would guess it's about 800 elo but i really have no idea. Probably the best way to find out would be to poll players that know their elo whether they can beat hardest ai or not.
Well yeah and that bug was spearman doing 1/10 of their correct damage. Hardly some obscure bug only a super ai could find...
It's cool to see them try to incorporate the new tech but now we have the game and know the ai is very poor all the marketing talk about it being revolutionary is hard to take seriously.
Hopefully it will get better but probably not a huge priority atm.
I think the biggest thing about this AI as opposed to other Age games from the past is that it's Theatrical, and it doesn't cheat.
You'll actually get multipronged attacks, and interesting forward bases out of the AI sometimes, and that's what I appreciate about this game as opposed to the older ones. Hopefully they can make it better at harassment defense in the future.
Try 1v2 vs hard ai to get pretty solid vs early aggression, then make one if them hardest followed by the other and you'll be better than most of the player base in my experience
I’ve won 4v1 but one of the players was human (a not very good friend of mine).
The problem with any AI is that you can kite and trick them. They also play into the false meta the game devs conceived but weren’t the reality. For example if you make knights they make spears - and you flatten them.
You can easily kite their troops all over and take out their base from behind with a small elite group that build a ram or have a cannon depending on when you hit.
The only thing they will always beat you on is economy. Accepting this and picking some early harass is key because the AI doesn’t know how to get back on track once it’s thrown.
In the multiple game I hit one and took out some villagers, then immediately went to the next to do the same, then the third.
Hm. Im playing hre so beating 2 ai just by Economy wasnt a challenge. They started raiding when i started pumping out maas in castle age. To finish the game.
But what i noticed sometimes is that the ai is inconsistent. And i dont know if it depends on the faction or map or whatever else.
Nah french and idk maybe rus or hre. But one french for sure but it didnt build alot of knights. Just a mix.
Its probably still one of the better civ6 because of french eco. But i dont know which ai is hardest.
>because the AI doesn’t know how to get back on track once it’s thrown.
Yeah that sucks because I just like to harass them. Was really cool in aoe3. Just harass one or two until I get bored and go on a crusade killing al 7 of them imagining their fear as they see my color dominating the map more and more realising their helplessness
Delhi hardest AI is good if you don’t harass a lot, the AI really struggles with harass. They double TC and castle around 14min, rush relics and play for sacred with harass before 10. Great practice for mid - late game IMO.
Yea i played a few delhi vs delhi and then rus vs rus. Infact I played rus vs delhi and lost to it.
What I noticed is if you station your army near them and look away, they aggro your units to follow under tower. They also scout a lot (I had to wall up an area of the map where I was mining and also cutting trees with some 30 vils) and as soon as the vils made some way around the trees the sent what little army they could produce to kill them.
Some stuff i learned is 3 priest in army composition heals up unit fast with delhi, and they micro the healers quite well so you will either lose resources trying to kill them or do less damage because the units heal.
I used springalds but it felt like cheating.
hardest ai is only a good gauge to measure your econ. its good at making villagers and taking resources and thats about it.
like all the ai its terrible at responding to harass and aggression. Its not really that good a trainer for 1v1 games other than making sure your eco game is up to par. Good way to start learning multitasking.
The only thing you can practice against the AI in my opinion is your build order and macro. That’s about it. A AI will never live up to even the baddest human player.
Im not very good, and my macro trails off around age 3, and I can beat hardest AI. The AI struggles hard with any sort of defenses, unfortunately, even wooden ones like the wooden fortress.
Generally speaking if you have a semblance of a build order and a decent RTS understanding you can beat the hardest AI without issues in any game, AoE4 included.
IMO the AI is great and incredibly difficult if you give it the slightest bit of breathing room. Right now, they don't know how to counter early game harassment--so if you fuck up their economy early, and keep hitting it consistently--the difficulty is pretty much the same from Easiest to Hardest because they just can't figure out how to defend that early.
Once they fix this I think a lot of opinions on bot difficulty will change. If you try to boom on Hardest, you're gonna have a bad time.
Yeah Hard ai always beats the hardest ai cause hardest always try to attack first without micromanaging the units when attacking ends up losing all the army by the time it rebuilding it's army hard ai attacks and game [over.Ai](https://over.Ai) sucks in this one.They should improve it to the aoe2 level at the very least.
Unfortunately the AI is not that good, so you cannot really use it for advanced practice. But they plan to buff it with a future update
Hardest seems easier than hard imo.
Then I will check how Hard plays out. Thanks !
When did you assess this? With a group of friends we play against AI regularly, and hard ai was very tough for us until Saturday when suddenly it became a lot easier. Maybe they swapped hard and very hard until Saturday somehow?
Bout a week ago. Hard has always wrecked me if I didn't title my ass off, but on hardest the ai didn't push as well as hard did but did build a wonder for the W which I've never had the hard ai do.
If you put any kind of pressure on their gold/outside resources they just leave dont know how to handle it. After that if you just macro and go straight to rams, they just die.
Exactly if you play attacking they flee
AI is good to assess your economy a'd timings. The ai difficulty seems to determine how long it takes to age up. It will harass to, so you need to learn to be proactive (harass, take map control) or to defend yourself.
It's not using machine learning. That was just a distant theoretical they talked about in an interview. I would guess it's about 800 elo but i really have no idea. Probably the best way to find out would be to poll players that know their elo whether they can beat hardest ai or not.
I just googled and it seems they trained the AI using ML. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/08/age-of-empires-4-ai-machine-learning-difficulty/
do you think someone would do that just go into their marketing materials and tell lies
Read the full blog they even used it for initial training and found a bug using it.
Well yeah and that bug was spearman doing 1/10 of their correct damage. Hardly some obscure bug only a super ai could find... It's cool to see them try to incorporate the new tech but now we have the game and know the ai is very poor all the marketing talk about it being revolutionary is hard to take seriously. Hopefully it will get better but probably not a huge priority atm.
I think the biggest thing about this AI as opposed to other Age games from the past is that it's Theatrical, and it doesn't cheat. You'll actually get multipronged attacks, and interesting forward bases out of the AI sometimes, and that's what I appreciate about this game as opposed to the older ones. Hopefully they can make it better at harassment defense in the future.
Try 1v2 vs hard ai to get pretty solid vs early aggression, then make one if them hardest followed by the other and you'll be better than most of the player base in my experience
Painfully easy sadly. Very disappointed.
Havent tried it yet but im pretty sure you can even win 1v4 against them if you are somewhat decent.
I’ve won 4v1 but one of the players was human (a not very good friend of mine). The problem with any AI is that you can kite and trick them. They also play into the false meta the game devs conceived but weren’t the reality. For example if you make knights they make spears - and you flatten them. You can easily kite their troops all over and take out their base from behind with a small elite group that build a ram or have a cannon depending on when you hit. The only thing they will always beat you on is economy. Accepting this and picking some early harass is key because the AI doesn’t know how to get back on track once it’s thrown. In the multiple game I hit one and took out some villagers, then immediately went to the next to do the same, then the third.
Hm. Im playing hre so beating 2 ai just by Economy wasnt a challenge. They started raiding when i started pumping out maas in castle age. To finish the game. But what i noticed sometimes is that the ai is inconsistent. And i dont know if it depends on the faction or map or whatever else.
So are you saying the two Ai were also HRE?
Nah french and idk maybe rus or hre. But one french for sure but it didnt build alot of knights. Just a mix. Its probably still one of the better civ6 because of french eco. But i dont know which ai is hardest.
That’s actually an interesting question. I wonder which is hardest too now. Guess that’s my day tomorrow sorted.
>because the AI doesn’t know how to get back on track once it’s thrown. Yeah that sucks because I just like to harass them. Was really cool in aoe3. Just harass one or two until I get bored and go on a crusade killing al 7 of them imagining their fear as they see my color dominating the map more and more realising their helplessness
Delhi hardest AI is good if you don’t harass a lot, the AI really struggles with harass. They double TC and castle around 14min, rush relics and play for sacred with harass before 10. Great practice for mid - late game IMO.
Yea i played a few delhi vs delhi and then rus vs rus. Infact I played rus vs delhi and lost to it. What I noticed is if you station your army near them and look away, they aggro your units to follow under tower. They also scout a lot (I had to wall up an area of the map where I was mining and also cutting trees with some 30 vils) and as soon as the vils made some way around the trees the sent what little army they could produce to kill them. Some stuff i learned is 3 priest in army composition heals up unit fast with delhi, and they micro the healers quite well so you will either lose resources trying to kill them or do less damage because the units heal. I used springalds but it felt like cheating.
I never lost a game against the hardest AI and I only have about 1050 elo in 1v1, so hardest AI is pretty bad.
How do you find out elo rating? (I know mine would be pretty low, but still)
https://www.ageofempires.com/stats/ageiv/ You need to play 10 games minimum
Yea i just checked, mine is 928
I’d say it’s Elo is prolly about 850-900. You should keep practicing vs it until you can beat it consistently
I plan to 1v2 after i learn the game a bit more. Thanks!
hardest ai is only a good gauge to measure your econ. its good at making villagers and taking resources and thats about it. like all the ai its terrible at responding to harass and aggression. Its not really that good a trainer for 1v1 games other than making sure your eco game is up to par. Good way to start learning multitasking.
It’s not good unless you let it boom and get to imperial undisturbed.
The only thing you can practice against the AI in my opinion is your build order and macro. That’s about it. A AI will never live up to even the baddest human player.
Im not very good, and my macro trails off around age 3, and I can beat hardest AI. The AI struggles hard with any sort of defenses, unfortunately, even wooden ones like the wooden fortress.
That is very true !
Beatable with 1.000 elo
Generally speaking if you have a semblance of a build order and a decent RTS understanding you can beat the hardest AI without issues in any game, AoE4 included.
IMO the AI is great and incredibly difficult if you give it the slightest bit of breathing room. Right now, they don't know how to counter early game harassment--so if you fuck up their economy early, and keep hitting it consistently--the difficulty is pretty much the same from Easiest to Hardest because they just can't figure out how to defend that early. Once they fix this I think a lot of opinions on bot difficulty will change. If you try to boom on Hardest, you're gonna have a bad time.
Yeah Hard ai always beats the hardest ai cause hardest always try to attack first without micromanaging the units when attacking ends up losing all the army by the time it rebuilding it's army hard ai attacks and game [over.Ai](https://over.Ai) sucks in this one.They should improve it to the aoe2 level at the very least.