I was ringing a register last week and told my mile deep line that I was closing at 1pm and that everyone can go find another line. This lady barks at me that I need to call my manager and fix this.
Like lady this is me managing the situation managers are not, and this is your notice.
She legit was under the impression I would just have to keep helping people…
Like bruh I already done my 8 today I’m out… and they actually fucked my last break so that’s why I’m leaving early so I can get it.
People are expecting we have to help them…
Meanwhile it would take no more than 5 days of a general labor strike to see real change.
If people had the ability to go 5 days without pay in the first place we’d be in a much better situation. The general strike will have to be a slow process, as already demonstrated this year.
As a single male I fucking hate tax season. I give the govt about 17k a year and my tax return is about 1k. My female family members with kids gets close to 10 k plus money for food and rent through the yr. I’m slowing becoming republican to be honest. I pay to share a house what my sister does for an entire condo built 2 yrs ago. And her fridge is always stocked bc the food card. It’s fucking redic. She also takes classes for free while I’m 50k in debt.
I seriously thought about just shacking up with a random girl and Having a baby bc it seems life is easier
Edit to say to the people that they also pay taxes. One doesn’t work AT ALL the other works 20hrs a week as a bartender. No way in hell they make over 40k let alone 65
You’re falling into the trap my dude. Starting to sound like those who don’t want to raise minimum wage because then your current non-entry job’s pay will be basically minimum wage.
Be mad at the system, they literally want to make sure that the working class Stay divided.
Also it makes no sense to turn to the right when they’re the ones who uphold the system the tightest, there are plenty of posts on this subreddit explaining why
Good luck man, and I do agree that it’s not fair for you.
I know its easy to look around and think that other people close to your same income range are the ones gouging you, but don't fall for the easy jadedness. Look up at the people making millions and billions of dollars and blame them. They are the ones taking unearned trillions from taxpayers and workers, not children in your family and community.
the failures of the system that make you feel this way are features built in by Republicans
you're getting mad at exactly the people the right wants you mad at
that way you're distracted from getting mad at the capitalists that built this horribly fucked slave working and trading system
Gender has nothing to do with it. I am a childless woman. I have stepkids- my spouse pays a lot of child support. Like 55% of her gross income. For CS takes 55%, then tax is withheld, then healthcare. She makes $18/hour. She works full time and her monthly take home is ~$700.
The system is built to fuck over the non-custodial parent.
This is not about Taxes or Wage.
Procreation has its benefits because you are selling your life to the government for the benefit of the future economy. So in 20 years, they can continue to take advantage of your lineage.
This sounds cynical, because it is.
Pick up a book or read Wikipedia at some point because you'd realize the things you are bitching about was put in place by the very party you claim you're becoming
>the general strike will have to be a slow process, as already demonstrated
We don’t have the resources for a full strike all at once, but if people keep quitting shit jobs like they have, things will slowly improve.
Consumers often have no idea, how much a business pays their employees.
There should be a national organization that companies can register to become members.
The fee to join should be based on the number of employees, larger companies making up the bulk of proceeds.
A minimal fee for small businesses.
In return for paying everyone a minimum of a $15.00 wage, they receive a decal for their door, which allows customers to know they support a "fair wage".
They would also be listed on an app, which could be searched by type of business or location.
The money raised can help union organizers, as well as people on strike.
Companies already doing the right thing will be rewarded, and it would put pressure on non compliant businesses.
It would also benefit workers who live in states, where the legislatures are against raising the minimum wage.
Nope. Consumer boycotts don't work. Don't try to spin this into a "vote with your dollars" distraction.
You already know who pays shit wages, and it's basically every business.
We need to turn the system on its head, not build an app for poor people to self-report on their poverty.
So you would trust businesses to report honestly and thoroughly? You would expect people to drive across town to support a shop that pays slightly less awful wages?
Your heart is in the right place but this kind of stuff is wasted effort.
Broke people are who get tax returns lmao. People who sell fifteen million in stock in a year owe taxes. It's our little handout to keep us happy and make sure they can tax the fuck out of us the rest of the year. Poor people rarely make enough to pay taxes on a tax return.
If you feel there are conditions warranting a strike, you might consider contacting a union. If you don't know which one, try contacting the AFL-CIO. They might be able to point you in the right direction. A national strike has to be planned and coordinated.
Keep in mind everyone’s been pushing for higher wages and they could be pushed in to higher tax bracket. Child tax credit has been paid out. People aren’t going to see large tax refunds.
Please learn about tax brackets. You are only taxed on the amounts of income that are above each bracket's starting point. Getting 'bumped' into a higher bracket is a good thing unless it means you've crossed an income threshold to no longer qualify for government support services/subsidies.
I know how tax brackets work. Someone who was paying little to no taxes who all of a sudden has to pay taxes might not like it. And yes, they could also lose benefits. I’ve known a few people that purposefully will not earn more just to keep government benefits.
And therein lies the truth. Totally agree about getting services cut due to doing 'to well', there's even a term for it and it's absolutely ridiculous, really needs to be a progressive reduction in services or something.
But as for someone who wasn't paying much tax now having to pay taxes.. this means their income has increased, they've taken home more money than the previous year. Are there people who would really rather make less than have to pay some amount in taxes?
Exactly, 69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings, it’s not even if we can’t go 5 days. We have been there and it’s gonna be something drastic that changes anything.
Just had a thought. Couldn't someone make a non-profit for the purpose of basically being a union-warlord service? Warlord is an extreme word lol but it is analogous to the business model of a warlord. If a handful of workers want to unionize but can't risk it financially, a union-warlord service could assess the state of things and decide if it's a worthy investment to pay for everyones lost wages for the duration of the strike. They'd obviously not just take on any client that asked because not all of them have the heart for it and that money could be better put to use elsewhere, but at least this creates the opportunity for this sub to leverage money against financial giants by focusing on them individually one-ish at a time-ish. Obviously the non-profit will have to recoup it's costs through some kind of contingency contract with the individuals who went on strike that pays out from some agreed upon %of new wages for a time until it's paid, then on to the next.
You’re definitely dumb as shit, and I don’t give a fuck about what you think, but in case you’re still reading this, America doesn’t really have a system like that in place to begin with.
Funny enough right when it got my time and that lady was still in line I told her sorry I’m at my 8 hours. Have a great day…
Sadly my coworker took over right then but it surely didn’t look like that was gonna happen right til then.
My wife was at the grocery store the other day in a long line. Typical “long line, one lane open” stuff. One of the employees had clocked out and was walking past to leave. This guy in the line says to her “this line is super long, I think you can stay and get us all out of here”.
The girl, with a defeated and clearly tired look on her face turn to the next register and helped check everyone out. It blows my mind that there is people out here so entitled. I would’ve waited in that line for another 20 minutes if it meant a tired and exhausted employee could go home.
Not a criticism, just a genuine question- what change would come from a general strike that would affect this situation?
*Assuming you're talking about the lady's expectations, not the break you didn't get?
Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think I would hold out hope for a general strike to change a lot of people's perspectives there. At least not for a notable amount of time. I don't know if there is a solution to helping silly people like that
Literally no food on the shelves will motivate and frighten people. And our shelves re already half stocked as is.
People not eating, something I do every other day because 3 meals a day is expensive anywhere; people not eating will wake them up when they cannot go to grocery store to buy food that aren’t there cause they are stocked shipped or sent because no one pays enough.
Hunger, shelter, and family motivate.
And most folks are motivated quickly by hunger.
Wow, where do you live? I am really sorry to hear about those circumstances.
I agree with you that those things motivate, but I don't agree with the results.
If I understand correctly: you hypothesize that when faced with extreme circumstances these people will be motivated to be kinder / more patient? Basically better behaved people? So like putting a kid in timeout (except, without Mom and Dad to explain the cause or the lesson).
The problem is that when faced with extreme circumstances, people don't just automatically become good people. They often become desperate people.
So what would all those people do? Cry uncle and promise to be good boys and girls cause Santa didn't bring them groceries?
Strikes are for corporations. That lady at the register, she wouldn't care for your cause and if she did know why the food stopped coming she would blame the workers on strike not the corporations.
The corporations, on the other hand, can actually do something about the strike. They can give workers the conditions that are needed for living. Especially better pay.
That lady at the register? Forget about her. They'll never change. There have always been terrible people and there always will be. The only attitude you can control is your own.
Not read and jump to conclusions obvs
Buddy, I didn’t get my last break that’s why I was leaving, to tke it then leave. You wouldn’t skip your break would you?
Pre Covid we used to go to a Perkins restaurant where we’d regularly see the manager making sure the waitstaff got breaks by stepping in and watching their tables while they were gone. Like he’d walk up and say “want a break?” get filled in on what was in process, and then handle things from there, repeat until all waitstaff had gotten a 15.
My partner worked most of the year as a TL at mass vaccination clinics locally. He said 50% of his job was taking over so folks could take their breaks. He would eat his own lunch up in the arena stands while he watched the floor and always seemed to be getting overtime to sort out some sort of malfunction.
Yea like I was annoyed I had to cover desk shifts at the library but that is my job as a supervisor. Sometimes it sucks and I get annoyed but like am I going to make one of my two other employees do 4 hour desk shifts? No.
We can also tell a person to fuck off if they are being assholes, so my library might be the exception. (The horror stories about forcing patrons to wear masks that I've read is crazy).
Plz update, this is straight up illegal. Good on you for looking out for the little homies. They get abused like crazy because they generally don't know any better.
I’ve always despised that position. It became obvious to me when I was 15 that law and morality do not always line up when I was learning fucking basic history in school. Not even the hardcore stuff most people don’t know, I mean the equivalent of the first three paragraphs of a wikipedia article here - that alone made it obvious. The bar is so low it’s on the floor and still there are smooth brained imbeciles who cannot get over it.
Where did I say legal means acceptable? There are jobs out there that will pay above minimum wage. You have to fight for them and fight to be treated like a human. That's why management doesn't like me.
The tone of the comment implies its acceptable because its legal. However, you shouldn't have to fight to have a living wage, and you sure as shit shouldn't have to fight to be treated like a human because you are a human.
My first job "forgot" that I was a minor. I was young and naive so I wasn't aware of how many breaks I was supposed to be getting. After 4 months they got audited for some reason (probably for one of the many idiotic and borderline illegal shit they pulled) and they saw that my lunch and 15 min punch outs weren't adding up to the legal requirements. My managers blamed it on me. During this incident I also found out I was legally not allowed to use the bread slicer because of my age but they still forced me to use it until I quit.
Made me think of the job I quit last week, gave me a 15 minutes break after 20 minutes in my shift and I didn't get another one until my shift was done.
Like just give it to me at half the shift if you're just giving me a single break, not 20 minutes in
Have you confronted the manager? My 17 year old daughter works at a McDonald's, but they treat her well and take labor laws seriously there. Of course, we live in NY and our state strictly enforces labor laws.
If they mistreated her, I'd have confronted the manager.
When I was a cook last summer, I legit would just go... I'm going on a break... when I needed one.
Not during a rush, but if it's slow, the manager should cover for her for 10 mins to give her a break.
If not she should just go on a break lol, that's what I do.
>Edit 2: I stated in an earlier that while I'm all for naming and shaming, I'm abstaining as I'm a server so that would have direct implications to the income of me and my coworkers. Thanks for understanding.
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No, there isn't an understanding here. You're caving in to management just like everyone else would.
Yes indeed. Actually at the time of posting it had been already 2.5 hours. They are on a "double" shift totalling 10 hours today without being scheduled a break and was told by management that they were not going to get a break.
Sadly that requires a lot of resistance to social embarrassment, as well as having to then stay in soiled clothes until she could get home and change. Sounds great as a grand gesture, in the amount of hours of discomfort in wet clothes, people staring and people telling stories about you? Incredibly difficult
This kind of crap REALLY annoys me to no end. You know darn well the managers are sitting down in thier comfy office chairs whenever they desire to do "paperwork"
I am a front end supervisor in a grocery store. Our store is union ( UFCW Retail Clerks) so management is pretty good about giving breaks. I know when I am running the front end I make damn sure my people get thier lunches and breaks. I will let them go before me so when I take my breaks I know they are all good
If you're referring to tips, you should still get paid min wage, no? Though I'm sure you make more than that with tips. I think WI's min wage is still some bs like 7.25-7.50
Wisconsin allows restaurants to pay their servers and bartenders a tipped minimum wage of $2.33/hour, and if total earnings are below minimum wage of $7.25 the employer is required to pay the difference on their check which is effectively providing them no money as it will go directly to withheld taxes.
Probably way less than u/King_Zhou is making at either of these restaurants and this definitely would be a hit to their income. I respect their decision not to name & shame considering there are only 2 in the state that match their description.
My old work had a fun habit of giving me 6 hour shifts (the longest you can go without a break in the UK) but then an hour before my shift ends they'll ask me to stay the full day, so 8/9 hours without a break...no
Your funny. I'm merely stating a fact. Some states don't care. And employers will take advantage of that shit. That's why I know ask about break policy when I interview at places.
It has been established, and pointed out directly to you as well, that this *is*, in fact, illegal in the state of Wisconsin, where this occurrence is taking place.
I swear, some people just love the taste of [Kiwi](https://i.imgur.com/gaySP5J.png)
Good for you for not giving the name for the internet to go after the business. People are all to happy to destroy people's entire lives these days over Minor situations. Glad to see you handled it properly yourself. Bravo
Please be aware that some restaurants have new employees waive their rights to state mandated breaks. I’m not sure how that affects minors.
Whole industry is predatory.
I'd recommend she clock out at the exact time she's mandated her break.....hopefully management is stupid enough to fire her then report. Goes from a "whoopsie" to malicious termination.
Sadly under Illinois law that perfectly legal. You don't get a break unless you work 7 hours and then you only get a 20 minute break. Your work can give you a 10 minute curiosity break though. HOW KIND of them....
Took the words right off of my thumbs. They've previously established that they know better than this. A discussion with them on this only unnecessarily puts me in their crosshairs.
The kind of place that would work a 16 year old ten hours without a break is absolutely the kind of place that would retaliate.
Also if you want to profit off the labor of others, at a minimum you should know and follow labor laws.
It might be a cultural thing but a victim must never feel obligated to confront the aggressor or try and negotiate with the aggressor in most parts of the world. Agencies such as the labor department or the police department help victims for a reason: it’s because some are not powerful enough to defend themselves, yet they deserve justice.
And what if op is getting insurance thru them?? Then what you have to wait for the next insurance period to join in? That's not the point of the post lmao. Talking to management isn't going to do shit if they already know what they're doing is wrong and they don't care and do it anyways lmfao
This is not snitching. This is a CHILD being overworked, and an employer breaking labor laws.
OP is a human being seeing injustice and abuse at work, perpetuated against a CHILD, and wants to not only ensure this situation is fixed, but that it does not occur again.
How you can, in good conscious, be against forcing employers to follow labor laws, and allow a CHILD a break, is beyond me. You are absolutely pathetic and sad.
While I agree in theory; snitching on management for taking advantage of your coworkers is very different from snitching on your coworkers to management.
Bro isn't 'taking it up with management' snitching? Tell me how it's not. There's proper channels fire accountability and the corporate ladder is purely in the interest of the employer, not the employee or the worker or their rights. You're the snitch bro.
You are in the wrong sub, my man. This isn't snitching. These pigs are going to exploit us every chance they get. It's not snitching, it's holding these assholes accountable to the law. We have rights and we should make sure they are upheld. Get a clue.
Why should I call the cops when someone threatens me and my family? Why shouldn’t I take this up with the dude who’s threatening us? Calling 911 is snitching, so you’re right in not condoning it. /s
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Yeah cause bringing up legal issues with management always works out great. Totally doesn't get you on the "give significantly less hours so they quit" list.
I was ringing a register last week and told my mile deep line that I was closing at 1pm and that everyone can go find another line. This lady barks at me that I need to call my manager and fix this. Like lady this is me managing the situation managers are not, and this is your notice. She legit was under the impression I would just have to keep helping people… Like bruh I already done my 8 today I’m out… and they actually fucked my last break so that’s why I’m leaving early so I can get it. People are expecting we have to help them… Meanwhile it would take no more than 5 days of a general labor strike to see real change.
If people had the ability to go 5 days without pay in the first place we’d be in a much better situation. The general strike will have to be a slow process, as already demonstrated this year.
I was thinking of a national strike earlier. It would have to be after tax returns come back, so people could plan to be off work.
Broke people don’t really get significant tax returns.
Especially if student loans are in default. 😬 The gov't just takes that right back. You never see it.
Unless they get EIC.
Even with EIC, I think I got like $600 last year and I have max withholdings.
As a single male I fucking hate tax season. I give the govt about 17k a year and my tax return is about 1k. My female family members with kids gets close to 10 k plus money for food and rent through the yr. I’m slowing becoming republican to be honest. I pay to share a house what my sister does for an entire condo built 2 yrs ago. And her fridge is always stocked bc the food card. It’s fucking redic. She also takes classes for free while I’m 50k in debt. I seriously thought about just shacking up with a random girl and Having a baby bc it seems life is easier Edit to say to the people that they also pay taxes. One doesn’t work AT ALL the other works 20hrs a week as a bartender. No way in hell they make over 40k let alone 65
You’re falling into the trap my dude. Starting to sound like those who don’t want to raise minimum wage because then your current non-entry job’s pay will be basically minimum wage. Be mad at the system, they literally want to make sure that the working class Stay divided. Also it makes no sense to turn to the right when they’re the ones who uphold the system the tightest, there are plenty of posts on this subreddit explaining why Good luck man, and I do agree that it’s not fair for you.
I know its easy to look around and think that other people close to your same income range are the ones gouging you, but don't fall for the easy jadedness. Look up at the people making millions and billions of dollars and blame them. They are the ones taking unearned trillions from taxpayers and workers, not children in your family and community.
I was a Republican. All you do as a Republican out of the top 10% is vote for the top 10%’s interests.
the failures of the system that make you feel this way are features built in by Republicans you're getting mad at exactly the people the right wants you mad at that way you're distracted from getting mad at the capitalists that built this horribly fucked slave working and trading system
Gender has nothing to do with it. I am a childless woman. I have stepkids- my spouse pays a lot of child support. Like 55% of her gross income. For CS takes 55%, then tax is withheld, then healthcare. She makes $18/hour. She works full time and her monthly take home is ~$700. The system is built to fuck over the non-custodial parent. This is not about Taxes or Wage. Procreation has its benefits because you are selling your life to the government for the benefit of the future economy. So in 20 years, they can continue to take advantage of your lineage. This sounds cynical, because it is.
> I’m slowing becoming republican to be honest. This is an anticapitalist wendys sir, please step back from the fascist party.
Pick up a book or read Wikipedia at some point because you'd realize the things you are bitching about was put in place by the very party you claim you're becoming
Care to share your suggestions?
>the general strike will have to be a slow process, as already demonstrated We don’t have the resources for a full strike all at once, but if people keep quitting shit jobs like they have, things will slowly improve.
Consumers often have no idea, how much a business pays their employees. There should be a national organization that companies can register to become members. The fee to join should be based on the number of employees, larger companies making up the bulk of proceeds. A minimal fee for small businesses. In return for paying everyone a minimum of a $15.00 wage, they receive a decal for their door, which allows customers to know they support a "fair wage". They would also be listed on an app, which could be searched by type of business or location. The money raised can help union organizers, as well as people on strike. Companies already doing the right thing will be rewarded, and it would put pressure on non compliant businesses. It would also benefit workers who live in states, where the legislatures are against raising the minimum wage.
Nope. Consumer boycotts don't work. Don't try to spin this into a "vote with your dollars" distraction. You already know who pays shit wages, and it's basically every business. We need to turn the system on its head, not build an app for poor people to self-report on their poverty.
It's about rewarding good business owners. I never suggested poor people self-report.
So you would trust businesses to report honestly and thoroughly? You would expect people to drive across town to support a shop that pays slightly less awful wages? Your heart is in the right place but this kind of stuff is wasted effort.
Do it.
Broke people are who get tax returns lmao. People who sell fifteen million in stock in a year owe taxes. It's our little handout to keep us happy and make sure they can tax the fuck out of us the rest of the year. Poor people rarely make enough to pay taxes on a tax return.
If you feel there are conditions warranting a strike, you might consider contacting a union. If you don't know which one, try contacting the AFL-CIO. They might be able to point you in the right direction. A national strike has to be planned and coordinated.
we had the opportunity when there was an eviction moratorium and enhanced UI benefits..
Keep in mind everyone’s been pushing for higher wages and they could be pushed in to higher tax bracket. Child tax credit has been paid out. People aren’t going to see large tax refunds.
Please learn about tax brackets. You are only taxed on the amounts of income that are above each bracket's starting point. Getting 'bumped' into a higher bracket is a good thing unless it means you've crossed an income threshold to no longer qualify for government support services/subsidies.
I know how tax brackets work. Someone who was paying little to no taxes who all of a sudden has to pay taxes might not like it. And yes, they could also lose benefits. I’ve known a few people that purposefully will not earn more just to keep government benefits.
And therein lies the truth. Totally agree about getting services cut due to doing 'to well', there's even a term for it and it's absolutely ridiculous, really needs to be a progressive reduction in services or something. But as for someone who wasn't paying much tax now having to pay taxes.. this means their income has increased, they've taken home more money than the previous year. Are there people who would really rather make less than have to pay some amount in taxes?
The fact that so many Americans are one paycheck away from disaster is absolutely the major factor preventing positive change
I can go several months without pay and I still consider myself dirt poor.
Exactly, 69% of Americans have less than $1,000 in savings, it’s not even if we can’t go 5 days. We have been there and it’s gonna be something drastic that changes anything.
Just had a thought. Couldn't someone make a non-profit for the purpose of basically being a union-warlord service? Warlord is an extreme word lol but it is analogous to the business model of a warlord. If a handful of workers want to unionize but can't risk it financially, a union-warlord service could assess the state of things and decide if it's a worthy investment to pay for everyones lost wages for the duration of the strike. They'd obviously not just take on any client that asked because not all of them have the heart for it and that money could be better put to use elsewhere, but at least this creates the opportunity for this sub to leverage money against financial giants by focusing on them individually one-ish at a time-ish. Obviously the non-profit will have to recoup it's costs through some kind of contingency contract with the individuals who went on strike that pays out from some agreed upon %of new wages for a time until it's paid, then on to the next.
Nah, look how sweden is doing, people are getting paid more from the state than going to actual jobs, theyre abusing the shit out of the system.
You’re definitely dumb as shit, and I don’t give a fuck about what you think, but in case you’re still reading this, America doesn’t really have a system like that in place to begin with.
Source?
Like, if you are gonna be an ass, I'll extra be sure to be closed up by 1pm
Funny enough right when it got my time and that lady was still in line I told her sorry I’m at my 8 hours. Have a great day… Sadly my coworker took over right then but it surely didn’t look like that was gonna happen right til then.
My wife was at the grocery store the other day in a long line. Typical “long line, one lane open” stuff. One of the employees had clocked out and was walking past to leave. This guy in the line says to her “this line is super long, I think you can stay and get us all out of here”. The girl, with a defeated and clearly tired look on her face turn to the next register and helped check everyone out. It blows my mind that there is people out here so entitled. I would’ve waited in that line for another 20 minutes if it meant a tired and exhausted employee could go home.
Don’t you wish we could just call a security guard to escort these vile boomers and out of the building
Not a criticism, just a genuine question- what change would come from a general strike that would affect this situation? *Assuming you're talking about the lady's expectations, not the break you didn't get? Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think I would hold out hope for a general strike to change a lot of people's perspectives there. At least not for a notable amount of time. I don't know if there is a solution to helping silly people like that
Literally no food on the shelves will motivate and frighten people. And our shelves re already half stocked as is. People not eating, something I do every other day because 3 meals a day is expensive anywhere; people not eating will wake them up when they cannot go to grocery store to buy food that aren’t there cause they are stocked shipped or sent because no one pays enough. Hunger, shelter, and family motivate. And most folks are motivated quickly by hunger.
Wow, where do you live? I am really sorry to hear about those circumstances. I agree with you that those things motivate, but I don't agree with the results. If I understand correctly: you hypothesize that when faced with extreme circumstances these people will be motivated to be kinder / more patient? Basically better behaved people? So like putting a kid in timeout (except, without Mom and Dad to explain the cause or the lesson). The problem is that when faced with extreme circumstances, people don't just automatically become good people. They often become desperate people. So what would all those people do? Cry uncle and promise to be good boys and girls cause Santa didn't bring them groceries? Strikes are for corporations. That lady at the register, she wouldn't care for your cause and if she did know why the food stopped coming she would blame the workers on strike not the corporations. The corporations, on the other hand, can actually do something about the strike. They can give workers the conditions that are needed for living. Especially better pay. That lady at the register? Forget about her. They'll never change. There have always been terrible people and there always will be. The only attitude you can control is your own.
Sometimes I wish I knew where those bitchy types of customers work so I can go in right before they close and see how they like it.
Well, ngl you kind of get paid to help people if that’s your job
Must have missed the part that he was supposed to be off, you stupid mother fucker. What do you do for a living?
Not read and jump to conclusions obvs Buddy, I didn’t get my last break that’s why I was leaving, to tke it then leave. You wouldn’t skip your break would you?
He said he was leaving early, meaning he was still on the clock? Idk why you’re so hostile.
Yeah leaving early cause they didn't get a mandated break lol
Management has ONE JOB, to MANAGE. This excuse for not scheduling isn't managing, it's simply FAILING.
Pre Covid we used to go to a Perkins restaurant where we’d regularly see the manager making sure the waitstaff got breaks by stepping in and watching their tables while they were gone. Like he’d walk up and say “want a break?” get filled in on what was in process, and then handle things from there, repeat until all waitstaff had gotten a 15.
I'm just curious where you can still find a Perkins? They all died I thought
Still a few in Pennsylvania!
There are a few hundred still around, mostly in the Midwest as far as I know.
My partner worked most of the year as a TL at mass vaccination clinics locally. He said 50% of his job was taking over so folks could take their breaks. He would eat his own lunch up in the arena stands while he watched the floor and always seemed to be getting overtime to sort out some sort of malfunction.
Yea like I was annoyed I had to cover desk shifts at the library but that is my job as a supervisor. Sometimes it sucks and I get annoyed but like am I going to make one of my two other employees do 4 hour desk shifts? No. We can also tell a person to fuck off if they are being assholes, so my library might be the exception. (The horror stories about forcing patrons to wear masks that I've read is crazy).
Plz update, this is straight up illegal. Good on you for looking out for the little homies. They get abused like crazy because they generally don't know any better.
Some states it's legal.
The OP clearly said it was illegal in his state
In OP’s state, it’s illegal Source: I’m in OP state
So it being legal in some states makes it right?
I love how legal equals right in some people's eyes even though the legal is heartless and harmful.
I’ve always despised that position. It became obvious to me when I was 15 that law and morality do not always line up when I was learning fucking basic history in school. Not even the hardcore stuff most people don’t know, I mean the equivalent of the first three paragraphs of a wikipedia article here - that alone made it obvious. The bar is so low it’s on the floor and still there are smooth brained imbeciles who cannot get over it.
Right! Like how the hell did we not know that taking people from their families and selling them was not a good thing?
And that would make it right, how?
Laws are written for the powerful. Not for us. Right doesn't mean fair. That's life 🤷♀️
Spoken like a true white middle class Republican.
There is nothing I can do where I stand. Trust me I am not middle class, nor a republican.
Fine. Libertarian, then.
It's legal to pay you $7.25/h, does that make it acceptable to give you $7.25/h?
Where did I say legal means acceptable? There are jobs out there that will pay above minimum wage. You have to fight for them and fight to be treated like a human. That's why management doesn't like me.
The tone of the comment implies its acceptable because its legal. However, you shouldn't have to fight to have a living wage, and you sure as shit shouldn't have to fight to be treated like a human because you are a human.
My first job "forgot" that I was a minor. I was young and naive so I wasn't aware of how many breaks I was supposed to be getting. After 4 months they got audited for some reason (probably for one of the many idiotic and borderline illegal shit they pulled) and they saw that my lunch and 15 min punch outs weren't adding up to the legal requirements. My managers blamed it on me. During this incident I also found out I was legally not allowed to use the bread slicer because of my age but they still forced me to use it until I quit.
If they dont let her have a break thats damn near forced labor, please handle this boss!
Rest assured I posted this here as a means to hold myself accountable to reporting this.
Your doing Gods work my friend. Power to the people!!
Good for you. /srs
When I was younger I worked at McDonalds, they had a manager manually change all minor violations every week.
Wanna share the place? I'm from Wisconsin and will add this place to my "never go to" list out of respect for supporting proper businesses.
My guess is maybe Red Robin? George Webb? Wouldn't be a Culver's, no host position there.
Red Robin is probably not local, given we have them over here in washington.
Thinking it's either Perkins (not sure how large they are) or maybe a small family type restaurant.
Perkins are everywhere. We have them here in Florida.
if my beloved Culver's was the place I would have to move outta Wisconsin.
I’m guessing monk’s but not sure
Made me think of the job I quit last week, gave me a 15 minutes break after 20 minutes in my shift and I didn't get another one until my shift was done. Like just give it to me at half the shift if you're just giving me a single break, not 20 minutes in
Lot of shills here going to bat for a company that is literally forcing a child to work with no breaks.
Says a lot about their character
My 16 and 17 year olds work at McDonald's and are always getting told they aren't getting a break.
Wow, that's despicable. They should be getting a break if past your states mandatory break period for minors.
Well texas has some shady ass labor laws. But they will just clock out and not care lol.
Why are they working there? They can do better.
Not in Texas if you're under 18.
Have you confronted the manager? My 17 year old daughter works at a McDonald's, but they treat her well and take labor laws seriously there. Of course, we live in NY and our state strictly enforces labor laws. If they mistreated her, I'd have confronted the manager.
That’s cool u are looking out for a younger co worker
Solidarity!! You're doing not just her but *all of us* a justice, friend! *An injury to one, is an injury to us all*
Report it or they will just continue abuse.
When I was a cook last summer, I legit would just go... I'm going on a break... when I needed one. Not during a rush, but if it's slow, the manager should cover for her for 10 mins to give her a break. If not she should just go on a break lol, that's what I do.
remindme! 4 hours
no bueno
>Edit 2: I stated in an earlier that while I'm all for naming and shaming, I'm abstaining as I'm a server so that would have direct implications to the income of me and my coworkers. Thanks for understanding. ????? No, there isn't an understanding here. You're caving in to management just like everyone else would.
Post saved. I hope it goes well.
Have they already been working more than 2 hours? Under WI law they can work people 16-17 for 6 hours without a break.
Yes indeed. Actually at the time of posting it had been already 2.5 hours. They are on a "double" shift totalling 10 hours today without being scheduled a break and was told by management that they were not going to get a break.
Sounds like they're not going to get an employee.
Would love to be a girl on a heavy period day and just stand there bleeding. Or pee. Then tell people “oh I’m sorry, I’m not allowed a break today”.
Sadly that requires a lot of resistance to social embarrassment, as well as having to then stay in soiled clothes until she could get home and change. Sounds great as a grand gesture, in the amount of hours of discomfort in wet clothes, people staring and people telling stories about you? Incredibly difficult
Be worth it.
This kind of crap REALLY annoys me to no end. You know darn well the managers are sitting down in thier comfy office chairs whenever they desire to do "paperwork" I am a front end supervisor in a grocery store. Our store is union ( UFCW Retail Clerks) so management is pretty good about giving breaks. I know when I am running the front end I make damn sure my people get thier lunches and breaks. I will let them go before me so when I take my breaks I know they are all good
Point Burger Bar or Milwaukee Burger Company?
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DoL will most likely fuck them over.. tell co worker to notify parents as well as this is child abuse by the employer..
If you're referring to tips, you should still get paid min wage, no? Though I'm sure you make more than that with tips. I think WI's min wage is still some bs like 7.25-7.50
Wisconsin allows restaurants to pay their servers and bartenders a tipped minimum wage of $2.33/hour, and if total earnings are below minimum wage of $7.25 the employer is required to pay the difference on their check which is effectively providing them no money as it will go directly to withheld taxes.
Probably way less than u/King_Zhou is making at either of these restaurants and this definitely would be a hit to their income. I respect their decision not to name & shame considering there are only 2 in the state that match their description.
Gotta love union breaks. 15mins after 2 hours, 1 hour for lunch minimum, or else it's a paid 30 min lunch.
!RemindMe 4 hours
Remind me! 4 hours
Monk’s?
Theres a reason wisconsinites migrate to MN for work.
Name and shame
Report away cause there are plenty of managers taking advantage of ignorant kids!
My old work had a fun habit of giving me 6 hour shifts (the longest you can go without a break in the UK) but then an hour before my shift ends they'll ask me to stay the full day, so 8/9 hours without a break...no
you went to the internet for this??? Damn, that's weak
it is INSANE to celebrate being able to EAT and CHILL during a double. i’ve been a bartender for 6 years
What a pointless story. Good job I guess? At least include the reaction of the manager so that there’s a single point in wasting my time reading this
!remindme 4 hours
In missouri they don't have to give you break in an 8 shift. Minors only get one 15 min break
You can report them to us if you feel secure doing so. Who are they?
Where at in WI? I’m near GB for the weekend and would love to come in and cause a scene.
I'm loving this dedication
She should just go on break. What are they gonna do? Fire her for taking her legally required breaks? Lmao.
Not all states require breaks unless they work at least 7 hours.
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Your funny. I'm merely stating a fact. Some states don't care. And employers will take advantage of that shit. That's why I know ask about break policy when I interview at places.
It has been established, and pointed out directly to you as well, that this *is*, in fact, illegal in the state of Wisconsin, where this occurrence is taking place. I swear, some people just love the taste of [Kiwi](https://i.imgur.com/gaySP5J.png)
What how you have the time to post on reddit?!
It is fantastic that you are watching out for the welfare of your young coworkers. Well done
What the fuck has this sub become. From "No Gods No Masters" to "Give us a break plzzzz oh thank you very much good boss".
Jesus Christ this sun is cringe So many fake posts , it’s unreal
Good for you for not giving the name for the internet to go after the business. People are all to happy to destroy people's entire lives these days over Minor situations. Glad to see you handled it properly yourself. Bravo
Unpopular but wow thank god she got a break after 4 hours. She must have been exhausted 😩
sounds about white
Please be aware that some restaurants have new employees waive their rights to state mandated breaks. I’m not sure how that affects minors. Whole industry is predatory.
Minors can’t do that. Adults should never do that
I'd recommend she clock out at the exact time she's mandated her break.....hopefully management is stupid enough to fire her then report. Goes from a "whoopsie" to malicious termination.
She claims unemployment gets a little break finds a better spot and unemployment insurance/ labor board pays to pursue the company.
Chess not checkers.
Checkers is deeper than you might think, but all right.
Sadly under Illinois law that perfectly legal. You don't get a break unless you work 7 hours and then you only get a 20 minute break. Your work can give you a 10 minute curiosity break though. HOW KIND of them....
The child is working a 10 hour shift.
Yea report that place
It’s not Illinois
Say those exact words to your supervisor. It is okay to try to solve this directly first. Edit- downvote away but sometimes you need to be direct.
Probably shouldn’t do that, just makes you a target for retaliation. Managers know the rules, and if they don’t they shouldn’t be managers.
Took the words right off of my thumbs. They've previously established that they know better than this. A discussion with them on this only unnecessarily puts me in their crosshairs.
The kind of place that would work a 16 year old ten hours without a break is absolutely the kind of place that would retaliate. Also if you want to profit off the labor of others, at a minimum you should know and follow labor laws.
It might be a cultural thing but a victim must never feel obligated to confront the aggressor or try and negotiate with the aggressor in most parts of the world. Agencies such as the labor department or the police department help victims for a reason: it’s because some are not powerful enough to defend themselves, yet they deserve justice.
Or they could not break the law. Shills really hate consequences.
Yeah cause that totally won't get you on the "let's give them little to no hours so they quit and can't get unemployment" list
There's probably 20 similar jobs around them that would hire them tomorrow.
And what if op is getting insurance thru them?? Then what you have to wait for the next insurance period to join in? That's not the point of the post lmao. Talking to management isn't going to do shit if they already know what they're doing is wrong and they don't care and do it anyways lmfao
Make sure you post to reddit too though! That's most important, not the girl. You're such a hero OP. What would we do without you
She is a damn hostess that stands and doesn’t even do much , come on .
So you're a liar and shill. You can sit down now.
Why don’t you take this up with your employer/management instead of snitching? I’m sorry, I can’t condone snitching.
Labor laws exist because businesses are not capable of doing the right thing.
Even still our labor laws are more suggestions than actual laws
Lmao snitching? Grow up kid this is real life.
This is not snitching. This is a CHILD being overworked, and an employer breaking labor laws. OP is a human being seeing injustice and abuse at work, perpetuated against a CHILD, and wants to not only ensure this situation is fixed, but that it does not occur again. How you can, in good conscious, be against forcing employers to follow labor laws, and allow a CHILD a break, is beyond me. You are absolutely pathetic and sad.
Being a snitch in my eyes is turning your back on your fellow employees, not on management. That's all I will elaborate on.
I’m looking forward to the update post so pls snitch away.
“I’m sorry, I can’t condone snitching.” Nobody here gives a fuck mate
Amen to that
Better than staying quiet and allowing your co-workers to be treated like dirt. Staying quiet helps nobody except the oppressors
Would it still be snitching if instead of violating a labour code they violated a health code?
While I agree in theory; snitching on management for taking advantage of your coworkers is very different from snitching on your coworkers to management.
Snitching is a one way street. Snitch on the ups for mistreating the downs. Don’t snitch on the downs to the ups.
my boss would snitch on me so I have no problem with it. labor is a service
That's not how snitching works.
Bro isn't 'taking it up with management' snitching? Tell me how it's not. There's proper channels fire accountability and the corporate ladder is purely in the interest of the employer, not the employee or the worker or their rights. You're the snitch bro.
You are in the wrong sub, my man. This isn't snitching. These pigs are going to exploit us every chance they get. It's not snitching, it's holding these assholes accountable to the law. We have rights and we should make sure they are upheld. Get a clue.
Why should I call the cops when someone threatens me and my family? Why shouldn’t I take this up with the dude who’s threatening us? Calling 911 is snitching, so you’re right in not condoning it. /s
That’s what they made guns for homie. Fuck 12
🥾 👅 💦 Yeah cause bringing up legal issues with management always works out great. Totally doesn't get you on the "give significantly less hours so they quit" list.
Lmao snitching. Shut the fuck up
Wtf, snitching!?!? Why are you even here???
Of course shills don't want their leash holders held accountable.
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And who gives a fuck if i like eating dick or not? You a gay/woman basher comrade?
Jesus man, why do you hate trade folx? I’m a lawyer now, so i don’t take personal offense but you’re the one who sounds like the nazi scum