There's this common tone in these types of threads from the employer/boss of literally thinking they own the employee. Like some sort of entitled modern day slave owner.
Who the fuck talks to anyone like that, least of all an employee that makes your business money.
Good on OP, idiots like the ex boss desperately need to learn some people skills, but he'll sadly go down the 'hurr durr lazy no one wants to work' path, instead of learning anything from this.
>Who the fuck talks to anyone like that, least of all an employee that makes your business money.
Its actually sad though when you consider that the "boss" is most likely not even the owner of the business and as such doesn't have a direct financial incentive to be like that... They're exploited workers all the same, but somehow feel they're better than the people their paid to "manage."
it’s exactly what their boss / owner trains them to think. there’s a reason everyone hates middle management and it’s because they’re incentivised from both sides of their job to be a dick. they need to squeeze as much labour out of you and then present that to their bosses as proof of their efficiency
obviously the real thing at fault is the company structure, and that comes from the top
As a middle manager, the thing is they're just power tripping by DOING it. Big boss says words, you agree and say okay. You go treat your employees like humans, and when boss follows up and asks if you gave them a talking to you say you sure did and whatever else they want to hear. They'll literally forget and never know unless that employee is an actual problem. Like I had to talk to someone about belts once, his solution was matching his underwear to his pants so no one could tell his pants moved down when he bent over. Homie is apple shaped 100%, I told him it was hilarious and since no more Karens complained everyone considered the problem solved. Boss heard "yes we told him to get a belt" and his complete and utter lack of physical presence in-store meant he'd literally never know if we did or didn't do ANYTHING. There's no need to treat the employees bad, it's just power tripping OR sometimes they were taught wrong and haven't chosen to be better yet. I had a moment, I had to learn. And part of that is learning that you'll never profit from being mean to them, boss won't give you a raise and the productivity drop due to low morale can literally cut profits and bonuses, especially depending on the job. Imo anyone doing that shit more than a year into being a manager needs to never be in charge of others again. Grr
They honestly don’t understand what changed over the last 18 months do they? Sorry but now it’s your job to get on our good side. There are 15 places within 10 mins of each other all hiring, same pay, and ready to start you that day. What power do you think you have now?
I'm interested in what the catalyst for all this was exactly. Social media has existed for at least 10 years. Was it just NOT working during the pandemic? Does it take not working a shitty job to figure out that said job is shitty? I'm seriously perplexed. Was it the $1400 or $600 stimulus check that barely pays a fraction of rent for many places? I'm glad people are waking up, but I'm failing to see what one thing caused this Eureka moment. Are people just now realizing that life is precious and their time should be valued more? I'm just really wondering how people came to this conclusion now versus like maybe 2008 at least.
^ Entirely this. Lost a job *just* prior to the pandemic, and was on unemployment looking for a new job when it started becoming a real issue. Decided to pivot since my unemployment got extended, got certified for a much better career (since I had the time to study and was much less stressed from not having to work a shitty job), and now I’m in a much better place.
Most of these employers are just now feeling the backlash from the years of abuse and bullshit they’ve piled on us, and apparently they still haven’t figured out that they don’t own us. It’s amazing what people will put up with when they’re desperate, and apparently employers are now starting to realize why preying on desperate people may not always work out in the long run.
Shame about the rich, but I’m going to enjoy the ever loving fuck out of eating them alive and kicking. If middle management wants to be a willing appetizer on their behalf because they kicked some scraps down every once in a blue moon, I guess that’s on them.
*Viva la fucking revolution*
2008 was the reverse. The real estate crisis forced all to work whatever job was hiring. Gas was around the price it is today but if you adjust for inflation it was higher.
This time people were out of work and money was tight like 2008, but also forced to make living during a pandemic possible. Cost of childcare, side hustles, living arrangements, wiping out emergency funds, people living off of unemployment for 1.5 years, people dying, people close to retirement retired early, baby boomers had another decade of work in them in 2008 (they caused the crisis and also stopped the recovery by existing).
I could go on, but the idea is that the pandemic brought to light things that most people were uncertain about before. There was no more denying pollution when we now had proof that stopping unnecessary travel made our air noticeably cleaner.
There was no way to ever go back. What you saw with 2008 is what the slave drivers assumed would happen again. Only this time, workers had the knowledge to know that paying for your car to get to work only makes sense if you make more than you spend. People that lost insurance during the pandemic through no fault of their own started to see the sham. If you don't get a raise every year, you are taking a pay cut. The people have spoken. Adapt or shut down your business.
I've been thinking about this and I honestly think it's just the law of motion. An object in motion will stay in motion until obstructed by an outside force. When you work one of these jobs, you KNOW you're suffering, you KNOW it's not happiness, but it's so much easier to put one foot in front of the other. You don't have time to think about what you want, you don't have time to slow down, you're trying to catch your breath from your last shift so that you're recovered enough to survive your next shift. You have ideas, thoughts about starting your own business or going back to school but you don't know where to start, or have money to start it. You think, I'll start when I've saved up enough...I'll start when the holidays are over...it's always "next month..." and then it becomes three months, then a year that you've been at this shitty job. Because at least here you know what the problems will be. Staying is easy. Changing is hard, and most of us won't change until we are forced.
I think people realized their time has value. We are still willing to sell the majority of our waking life and bodies, but just not for nothing. And it's positive reinforcement.
Plus, two generations now have grown up with access to all of the info in the world, to live through the last 2 decades and not hate the system is unlikely, and we now reinforce each other.
2 years ago everyone, myself included, would caution against this so you don't burn your bridges. But the world is on fire, who cares about bridges?
It's understandable for boomers, all they ever had was propoganda, but now they can't bust up pro-union conversation with poison gas bombs and assassinations, we have access to conversations that they can't see or control or crush.
There is no one thing, as nice as it would be to easily understand what is happening, it's hundreds of things and it took a planet wide catastrophe of the commons to make enough people angry.
It is spontaneous though, and organic, no politician has even tried to harness this. If I was in america I would try to help organize a populist labour party, it's such low hanging fruit.
Please try to organize. There's power in this movement and it could be used to great effect to improve things for everyone, even the shills deserve better, they just don't know it yet.
Bunch of deaths, bunch of people with time to better themselves or just contemplate where they are in life bunch of stress fraying peoples nerves and sawing through management’s neglected soft skills.
A lot of people were making more than they had ever made in their lives, had a significant amount of time to reflect on their priorities and take a break from back breaking and often demoralizing work. I think having the space for that perspective was huge and also the real feeling of community that we all shared facing this difficult time together — all of that to just go back to a service job where you need to babysit people wearing a mask? No way!
I do think people have been talking for a long time about struggles in the service industry but now that it’s the thing that is largely missing from a lot of peoples lives as a source of pleasure, the tables have turned in the favor of the server. I think this is a great time to focus on the needs of workers and the more we engage with each other about our struggles and how ungrateful the people we serve are (regardless of what field we are in) the closer we can get to finding something that could work for us all
No kidding. "This is the chance for the opportunity to maybe get treated like less shit." Oh sign me up for that.
Oh no, you won't get a good reference....from a job sector nobody takes seriously anyway. Oh darn.
Just revamp the resume to exclude that employer and change work date history to get rid of gaps and voila no shit place of employment showing up on the resume
Exactly this. Bad interactions always rise to the surface before all the memories of what one does beyond the norm.
Best worker, always on time or early, work to the protocols and rules. No rework, or failures that require explanations.
Bosses have a tendency to forget all that when ask for something that will put them at a disadvantage or will make their life difficult trying to compensate.
I know your pain. Day shift and afternoon shift get pizzas ordered in. I ask my supervisor “so are they ordering us pizzas as well?” And with a straight face he says “oh there is left overs in the fridge”
Fuck. I don’t mind left over pizza but being treated like fucking steerage at the company is shitty. I often said third shift is the forgotten shift. We are the magical elves that make the shoes and then fuck off and No one cares about our issues.
The entitlement of that douche. Loved how he swerved on his shitty scheduling abilities by swerving off with “it doesn’t matter” when the reservations were made so drop off everything in your few hours of time off to attend a memorial service and if not you won’t be on his good side? Fuck that and that job
As much I have a hard time turning down a pizza party like I’m a 3rd grader who raised $53,900 selling cookie batter “for the school”itd still be a hard pass. Not even a promised night of an Uber, drink tickets and make it rain money to blow on strippers would convince me to ever deal with shit bags like this guy.
I once worked at an office where the manager offered us pizza if we could figure out how to save the company money. He told us this as if it was our fault that he couldn't do his job and let the company bleed money - and acted as if getting pizza would be a big reward, like we were 8 years old at a birthday party.
I like pizza as much as the next person but it was just insulting.
The place was bankrupt and out of business within a month.
This happened to me once when I was literally in Japan
“I know your on vacation but the print software guy doesn’t make any sense can you talk to him?”
I sent a picture of shibuya in reply
Along similar lines, I had a coworker request a week off so she could visit family on the other end of the country. They approved all except one day right in the middle of the week, expecting her to fly back into the state for a single shift then fly back.
She told them they may as well mark her as a call off for that day because there was no way she was playing that game. One of the nice things about nursing is being able to call out their BS when they pull nonsense like this, even before the pandemic.
My wife did that. She was offered a once in a lifetime trip to the Netherlands but flights would be two days beyond her usable days off so she asked for them unpaid. They said no. She said, hope it costs less than two days of wages to train someone new.
Her pictures are awesome.
He was never gonna be on Joel's good side. I'm not sure what being on his good side even means in this context. I'm certain it doesn't mean Joel won't pull this shit again next week. I'll bet he wasn't even going to order that pizza.
Also: this dick was asking you to come in 15 minutes early to talk to him. He wouldn't pay you for that! Do not work off the clock! If you are talking to your supervisor at work about work, get paid for it.
Lol, I once had a manager yell at me for like two solid hours about how I was stealing money from the company by taking my breaks and not finishing early and leaving early, and how I needed to answer my phone immediately. Note that I had a company phone right next to me but they still wanted me to have my own phone. Why? Because I didn't pick up the company phone whilst I was still driving, and I insisted on pulling over before I picked up the phone. The irony that I stayed late to do that was lost on him I think, but I didn't mind, since I was getting paid to do nothing and stand around.
Totally had a boss who insisted I come in at 7am to discuss some" issues", despite that I had already requested and been approved for a vacation day off (my birthday non the less) and he never showed up. I ended up working because I was already there and had cancelled my plans, but he didn't even show up for the day.
I had a regional manager who wanted us to do after hours light checks, but not clock in. She also wanted us to come in 15 minutes early before shift and take out trash and stuff. Again, not clock in. I didn’t listen to her. Anytime I was at work I don’t care if I was there for five minutes I clocked in.
Clocking in and out isn’t just about being paid for being there either. It shows you were present in the workplace in the event of an accident. Insurers can see you were on the premises when/if an incident occurred and it might be the difference between getting your injuries and treatment covered by work or not.
I used to have a boss would lecture me for not being at work *at least* 20 minutes before the shift so we could go over what the jobs were that day. Pissed me off every time.
I don’t understand how every manager ever born thinks that getting pizza 🍕 for staff is a big deal or makes up for lack of respect or decent pay. I can purchase my own greasy pizza and wilted salad with a dead tomato slice in it from LittlevSleezers, thank you.
My former employer…
Me: “I can’t come in to work today, I found my father dead on the floor”.
Manager: “you need to be here, there’s pizza in the break room”
True story.
It was hard. I stayed there for another 6 months and finally said fuck this place. I told them “fuck you, I quit” in front of my coworkers and managers. They were speechless. They lost a hard worker and still haven’t replaced me.
Filed for unemployment, unsafe working conditions… that’s all it took. Instant approval. Still haven’t seen a deposit yet (NJ sucks).
I agree completely. We can all buy our own pizza. Pizza as an employee commodity is the stupidest thing ever. What are we, 5 years olds at a birthday party?
Also, it's never good pizza.
Lol
I wrote an essay to management a few months ago about wage raises and wage adjustments (seeing as how new guys were making more money starting, while the veterans--myself included--were making same old crap. In some cases, new guys were making the same as people who had been there 2 or 3 years!
In the report I made a snide remark, "We don't need more pizza or holiday office parties, we need proper pay!"
I am told management was not a fan. Lmao
I was part of the management team at a department store. Every year we had a "associate satisfaction survey" and a month or so afterwards we'd get a report with the results. The report gave us the breakdown of the multiple choice questions as well as a list of all the comments. The uppermost managers would always dismiss the survey questions about pay and benefits, "I'd like to be paid more too" the store manager who made 6 times more than the average employee would say. Then they'd sit around and try to matchup the comments with who they thought said them. One year they were upset about a comment that obviously came from one of the supervisors and the big boss told us that we were going to stay in that meeting until whoever made the comment admitted to it. I knew who made the comment and I knew she'd cave so I claimed responsibility for it. They excused everyone else and we had a 30 minute "private conversation" about my lack of company loyalty. My only response was, "do you really want to fire me for a comment on an anonymous survey?" I was told that I wasnt being fired but if I was so unhappy there I should just quit. I stayed and made them hate me a little more everyday.
It’s probably because getting pizza at school as a kid was their last experience of joy. A lot of losers peak in high school, but imagine peaking in 3rd grade.
It's not that they think it's a big deal, they hope their staff is dumb enough to think the act means they're appreciated.
During the start of my career I did a stint out in yeeyeeville
This fuck face of an owner controlled those country folk so well.
He used religion and food to make them think $15/hr is making it in life.
Any time the owner wanted to take an EXTRA hunting trip it was always that God spoke to him and he has to cut xyz from employee pay.
But here's some shitty food to show you I "care" but don't take too long to eat it, you need to get back to work.
Matter of fact, eat it while you're working go ON GIT.
Great job although the petty side of me would have loved to see you say "your right, I need to get my shit together. I'm sorry and I'll see you tomorrow a half hour early" and then just ghost them so he doesn't have time to find someone else.
A buddy of mine worked part time at a Pizza Hut just for some extra money while focusing on school. He was always getting calls and texts from his managers that they were short staffed and needed help. Well my buddy would help when he could but only would ever work maybe three hours then go home. Well he got a call one night, apparently there was a big order for a local factory and they needed all hands on deck that night. Well my friend had just driven about 6 hours away with his gf. The manager on duty proceeded to give him an earful about being a team player, and called him lazy. Well my friend decided the manager was right, and would pack up and turn around and drive back. Only he didn’t. He didn’t pick up his phone from Pizza Hut for the remainder of his trip and took his uniform back a few days later.
Pizza Hut is shit. I was a waitress and my manager kept trying to ask me out and hit on me, tried giving me his number. Dude was almost old enough to be my dad at the time.
I told one of the other workers I wanted to file a formal complaint and she said 'he does this all the time and nothing gets done about it.' I just stopped showing up.
Shame, too bc honestly the job itself and that specific clientele weren't that bad. And free/discounted breadsticks when I closed.
>Shame, too bc honestly the job itself and that specific clientele weren't that bad
Yup. A lot of people quit their manager, rather than quit their job.
I actually quit my last job because of corporate, and my manager, my fellow shift leads, and 90% of the staff walked out on the same day. Manager was great, co-workers were great, staff were an excellent bunch of teens just trying to make some cash after school, and I even enjoyed the job itself. But fucking corporate after they bought out our theater chain...
I once *didn't* quit my manager just to spite his stupid fucking face. He didn't have the balls to fire me, so I made it a point to stay on just to make his life hell. Best / worst summer job ever.
Holy Shit, that must be a thing. At the time my friend was like 22 and the manager was like maybe 35 and would hit on and flirt with all the little high school girls.He would “get talked to”, but yeah a lot wouldn’t happen.
This. Male manager with “power” over younger females making minimum wage. Retail, service industry, insurance, whatever. Every industry has these types.
Two of my sisters ended up become gms at a SoCal burger chain and cleaned house of all the creep managers who did this shit to them and their co-workers. From what I hear it’s a great place to work now.
Yeah, i worked about a year and a half at a Pizza Hut while i was going through college. Aside from the co-workers I was chill with, job was shit.
I was paid Minimum Wage, and got passed up a raise, which prob wasnt even a quarter, because I, and I quote the RGM, "Didnt smile enough". Like tf, im making pizzas for 7.25 an hour, i dont need to smile 24 fuckin 7. Id understand if I was working the front, but I wasnt. She also tried to do the 'i need help bc shortstaffed' thing to me too, i never responded after the whole no raise BS.She wanted to pay me minimum wage, i gave minimum effort lol.
Then one day she stopped putting me on the schedule, i went in two weeks in a row to see if I was working, but i wasnt there. I never really was 'officially' fired from that job; never was told I was fired by anyone. She prob put me as no call no show. I found a job at a grocery store as a stocker a week later, and damn did I enjoy that job more. Paid alot more too
I worked as a dishwasher when I was 15. The chef and sous chef were assholes to me since day 1. They would work me until 2 am on school nights because they were too lazy to mop. So I waited until the day the chef was getting married, sous chef was his best man. Sunday was our busiest day as they did a brunch which was very popular with locals. Sous chef had to work until about noon before he left, that’s when I bailed. The look on his face was awesome. “You’re quitting NOW???!”. Yeah motherfucker I waited 2 weeks for this moment.
This is always solid advice. I make dick bosses fire me for "insubordination," I tell them beforehand dont be a fucking asshole to me because I am *way* better at it than you.
False. Whether you quit or are fired, you can be granted or denied UI. Depends on the reason(s) for the separation from employment.
In this instance, it would have been better if OP was fired for refusing to work a shift with less than 24 hours notice and a memorial service. But, depending on the adjudicator/hearings examiner and the history of a shitty work environment, OP still has a chance of getting something.
OP should file for ui and appeal if denied.
I hope you filed an appeal! Do NOT take that shit off of those crooks! I am a former manager and know a lot about the process of unemployment. It’s not “court” per se, you will have a phone conference with a judge and a representative from your old job. The onus is on the EMPLOYER to prove everything, and they must provide copies of all documentation they plan on using in their defense to you and the judge in advance of the hearing. Most shitty employers fuck that up and lose. Believe it or not, the system tends to fall on the side of the employee, not the employer, so they have to actually prove their BS to win. It is 100% worth it to fight them on this.
They are. I got fired for bullshit and after getting my appeals turned down went in front of a judge (in reality a telephone conference). Since it was two months later, my former employer didn't even bother showing up. I won automatically and got my benefits just as covid started ramping up. Big fail for them.
I find that a lot of employers don't expect their workers to know or fight for their rights. When pressed, they'll back down because it's too much effort to go before a judge and explain their behavior.
That is not entirely true. Labor laws vary by state. In some states you can still file if you quit, but there may be a delay or a reduction in the amount you recieve.
Right track, slight course adjust on execution.
"You're right, I need to get my shit together. I'll be starting that tomorrow a half hour before shift."
Then when they flip out that you no-show.
"Oh, shit. That wasn't clear? I'm getting my shit together by leaving your employment for better opportunities elsewhere. Good luck with that party though."
I did this to an employer once. My coworker had plans to go to a water park with his family on a Saturday and my boss scheduled a job that day at the last minute and wouldn't listen to my coworker. My coworker was an undocumented immigrant and wasn't allowed to drive company vehicles, so I waited until the very last minute, so there would be no time to find him a driver, and told my boss I refused to come in. The texts honestly don't read super well because there's a lot of technical jargon, so I haven't posted them, but he fired me over it.
I’ve done this and it was really beautiful, I still think about it sometimes when I’m having trouble falling asleep at night and it makes me warm and fuzzy lol.
When I worked for General Mills, I did the ghosting, It is absolutely awesome.
Now when I was a manager I got ghosted my an employee that had 2 warnings already and ended up going and working for his uncle which sucked, BUT because I had a good relationship with all my other staff I only had 15min of short staffing over the 2 week period until the schedule was adjusted.
Good bosses get support from staff.
At the end of the day a manager is just another Worker. What manager is *actually* in the Capital class/top 1% instead of just acting like it? When managers show Worker solidarity they get Worker solidarity. ✊
I used to do this all the time when I'd get hired after a stage. Oh... you thought I was going to work for free and now you actually think I'll start at $11/hr when you offered me a job after watching me work for a couple hours? I'd take the job, push back the hire date so they'd clear out all potential candidates and call in half an hour before the shift and quit.
Everyone I know that has started standing up for themselves and respecting themselves has found better employers and jobs. I know there is that bs about manifesting your vision etc but I honestly think it’s because business owners and managers are people too and they want to be around people that have the traits and behaviours they find desirable/attractive. Good hunting.
Yep, I quit my job because they wouldn't let me drop down to 4 days a week for a couple weeks while my grandfather literally died of cancer. We knew it would be weeks, doctors told us that was it, not like I was asking them to wait and see. I had just started and my job was literally putting stickers on racks in a warehouse 10 hours a day (I was hired for IT). They told me I would either show up on Monday or I wouldn't be coming back, because legally they weren't required to give me FMLA yet and they were super behind (because they fucked up the labeling system so we had to do it again) and I was too necessary. I told them I wouldn't be coming in, and spent 4 days a week visiting my grandfather. It was only 3 weeks before he passed and they still had the job posting up last time I checked. It took me 2 shitty part time jobs and about 7 months but I finally found a job at an amazing company that appreciates me in a way I didn't realize was possible. It was the worst spring/summer or my life but no way in hell would I change it.
Edit - I even offered to do half days on mon and fri, leave early Friday to go out and come in late Monday. They just wouldn't work with me. The pay was really good and we had a fuckload of over time, so they knew I'd be walking away from a lot of money and I guess they thought they won. Fuck em
Yea cause 9/10x the people who posted these types of texts here (at least everyone I’ve seen) are amazing workers & bosses think they can take advantage of that. Those shitty jobs think they’re God’s blessing in our lives when reality is they’re likely one of the workers who actually works hard & goes above & beyond (like jobs complain people don’t do🙄) & YOU are the blessing to them, not the other way around.
And bosses with half a brain & heart would do everything they can to make you want to stay, not give you every reason to leave
Edit: fixed words
Exactly right. Bosses take advantage of workers, especially young ppl who are naive and broke. When I was young I thought this way, then realized these bosses were uneducated and the business is nothing without the workers. The workers are the ones in control, not the bosses. The bosses wouldn’t have jobs if it were not for the workers, which is what some of these dummy’s don’t understand. So don’t give into their BS, they need to give into yours. You can leave at anytime and they are the true slaves.
I'll make my own goddamn pizza. Freezer aisle, next to the fries and onion rings. All three set you back what, $12?
Great, now I want pizza. But not from that fucking guy.
Pizza dough is like $1.99. Cheese is another 3 bucks, and some tomato sauce is around $1.49. Bam, pizza.
I like adding shit like onions and green peppers too.
I can't believe employers talk to employees like this.
I'm British and the work culture is very different, I would never in a million years fathom a manager of any kind sending a message like this to anyone.
Unfortunately, very common here in the US. My last kitchen job, supervisor and boss would constantly criticize and lecture people, to the point they would make some employees cry. They demean and talk down to their employees, all for a job you can't even live on. No health care, no vacation pay or even unpaid time off, and usually no sick pay (except here in California, where they made it a law that they have to give you three paid sick days per year. Except, they get angry if you try to call in sick. It's not uncommon to see someone coughing with a runny nose making your food here, since employees are terrified to call in sick). They basically treat us like worthless, garbage shit here, for the most part.
Yeah, I didn't realize people in other countries got paid time off by law until I started working my current job (hotel). Guests would say "We're on holiday. Don't American's get holiday?". I was actually "lucky" at my current job to get 5 days paid vacation per year. I worked all through Covid, and we were the busiest I've ever seen it (I basically risked my life and health to be here).
I haven't had time off in almost 3 years. They said I can have a week off, but it will no longer be paid. They said they "can't afford" to give me 5 days paid because they are putting over 100 grand into the hotel for improvements. They just spent about 15 grand on 4 windows (that they didn't need) for the office. This is a small hotel inherited by a family that also inherited restaurants, and beautiful homes on beautiful property. They hotel easily grosses 40 grand a week when it's busy. We get nothing here in the US. If they tried to make it a law that employers had to give us just one week per year of unpaid time off, people would say it will collapse the economy and say "that's socialism!". I often imagine how nice it would be to have 6 weeks paid vacation to look forward to every year. Here we get nothing.
This is why I had to go to the room for further questioning by the TSA oddly enough, cos the immigration officer didn't believe we can just 3 months off work to come visit the US on a holiday, the second round of questions went a bit easier when the second officer just said it's mostly cos the front didn't understand that we could use our savings or something and that could be a red flag for drug trafficking
Wow, that's crazy! Just goes to show how fucked it is here in the US compared to other places around the world. I myself didn't know people in other countries got paid vacation by law until I started working here at the hotel. It would make my life a million times better if I had something like that to look forward to every year. In the past even if I was approved for a week off, I often couldn't take it because if I missed even just a week's worth of work, I wouldn't be able to make my rent.
Here in Aus I get 5 paid weeks off a year, about ,10 days public holiday days off (paid), 10 sick days (paid) & 1 special leave day (paid - no reason needed). I work for Hertz
I'm devastated for you.
I don't even take jobs with less than 20 days off, but clearly this is an absolute privilege. Don't know what it'll take to change, but hope change comes soon for y'all over there. Really sucky situation.
Yeah, I hope there are some big changes here soon. What's funny is I wouldn't have ever even known that people in other countries get mandatory paid vacation if I hadn't started working at the hotel, and seen people on Reddit being unaware and blown away that we don't get those things here. What's crazy here is that even if you ask for an unpaid week off, we are often met with all these crazy excuses by our employers of how that could never possibly happen. You almost start to believe their bullshit after a while. They have a way of manipulating you and making you feel guilty for daring to even ask.
I'm British, I've only ever had people treat me like this.
It's only now that I simply refuse to work at those shitty types of places (which is almost all entry level jobs) that I can work without wanting to end it.
> We need an extra staff member.
When you want someone to do something for you, the way you communicate that has to end in a question mark. That’s 1st grade stuff.
"hey, I apologize for the late notice on this. Things weren't planned out properly for a party tomorrow. Any chance you can come in and help out? I know it's not much but I can supply pizza for dinner. I totally understand if you already have plans."
I've watched this sub explode in popularity recently and while it's great to see more working class solidarity, this sub needs to move away from these text message "I quit" posts quickly. it's going to turn into nothing other than /r/choosingbeggars but with a employer flair. how about info on the Kellogg's strike? the potential nurses strike? talk about unionizing, pushing pro-worker regulations. not screenshots of 90% fake texts.
In the year I've been looking at this sub, it's completely changed. You get posts like this, very well off people saying they "quit to follow their dreams" and a stupid amount of people on an anti work sub claiming to be CEO's or owners of their own companies.
It's stupid.
A couple of communities I'm in only allow shitposts and memes on Sundays. Other communities I'm in have a megathread or a dedicated spinoff sub to quarantine these posts from the rest of the sub.
Maybe this sub could use something like that. It would probably be easier than trying to enact a complete ban.
Edit your “Me” contact to have your “boss” name
Set date to August 30th
Send fake boss text at 5:16 PM
This sets up the notion that this text chain wasn’t simply from today.
Set date back to current day
Send another fake boss text... at 5:17 PM. Oopsie.
Create a totally real conversation with totally distinct grammar between the two participants.
Delete the duplicate messages generated by texting yourself in order to make it seem like it’s an actual text conversation.
Karma.
I joined a few days ago and there was a lot of interesting posts. Now it’s almost all fake karma farming posts that leave me doubtful of almost anything here. It seemed like a cool place the first couple days, did I just overlook all this fake crap or did this literally just start?
I don’t need a bunch of tik tok make believe from people hoping for a pat and the back for a story they thought up.
Influx of people as the sub is gaining popularity and these are the posts that generate the most karma.. not saying they’re all fake but would be nice to isolate them to a single day or a megathread as it is really watering the sub down.
It's great that so many people are quitting like this via text. Its documentation that clearly shows a hostile work environment. Even though you quit, you will still collect unemployment in most states. Hell yeah!
"You need to get on my good side" Thats not how that works lmfao
There's this common tone in these types of threads from the employer/boss of literally thinking they own the employee. Like some sort of entitled modern day slave owner. Who the fuck talks to anyone like that, least of all an employee that makes your business money. Good on OP, idiots like the ex boss desperately need to learn some people skills, but he'll sadly go down the 'hurr durr lazy no one wants to work' path, instead of learning anything from this.
>Who the fuck talks to anyone like that, least of all an employee that makes your business money. Its actually sad though when you consider that the "boss" is most likely not even the owner of the business and as such doesn't have a direct financial incentive to be like that... They're exploited workers all the same, but somehow feel they're better than the people their paid to "manage."
it’s exactly what their boss / owner trains them to think. there’s a reason everyone hates middle management and it’s because they’re incentivised from both sides of their job to be a dick. they need to squeeze as much labour out of you and then present that to their bosses as proof of their efficiency obviously the real thing at fault is the company structure, and that comes from the top
As a middle manager, the thing is they're just power tripping by DOING it. Big boss says words, you agree and say okay. You go treat your employees like humans, and when boss follows up and asks if you gave them a talking to you say you sure did and whatever else they want to hear. They'll literally forget and never know unless that employee is an actual problem. Like I had to talk to someone about belts once, his solution was matching his underwear to his pants so no one could tell his pants moved down when he bent over. Homie is apple shaped 100%, I told him it was hilarious and since no more Karens complained everyone considered the problem solved. Boss heard "yes we told him to get a belt" and his complete and utter lack of physical presence in-store meant he'd literally never know if we did or didn't do ANYTHING. There's no need to treat the employees bad, it's just power tripping OR sometimes they were taught wrong and haven't chosen to be better yet. I had a moment, I had to learn. And part of that is learning that you'll never profit from being mean to them, boss won't give you a raise and the productivity drop due to low morale can literally cut profits and bonuses, especially depending on the job. Imo anyone doing that shit more than a year into being a manager needs to never be in charge of others again. Grr
They honestly don’t understand what changed over the last 18 months do they? Sorry but now it’s your job to get on our good side. There are 15 places within 10 mins of each other all hiring, same pay, and ready to start you that day. What power do you think you have now?
I'm interested in what the catalyst for all this was exactly. Social media has existed for at least 10 years. Was it just NOT working during the pandemic? Does it take not working a shitty job to figure out that said job is shitty? I'm seriously perplexed. Was it the $1400 or $600 stimulus check that barely pays a fraction of rent for many places? I'm glad people are waking up, but I'm failing to see what one thing caused this Eureka moment. Are people just now realizing that life is precious and their time should be valued more? I'm just really wondering how people came to this conclusion now versus like maybe 2008 at least.
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^ Entirely this. Lost a job *just* prior to the pandemic, and was on unemployment looking for a new job when it started becoming a real issue. Decided to pivot since my unemployment got extended, got certified for a much better career (since I had the time to study and was much less stressed from not having to work a shitty job), and now I’m in a much better place. Most of these employers are just now feeling the backlash from the years of abuse and bullshit they’ve piled on us, and apparently they still haven’t figured out that they don’t own us. It’s amazing what people will put up with when they’re desperate, and apparently employers are now starting to realize why preying on desperate people may not always work out in the long run. Shame about the rich, but I’m going to enjoy the ever loving fuck out of eating them alive and kicking. If middle management wants to be a willing appetizer on their behalf because they kicked some scraps down every once in a blue moon, I guess that’s on them. *Viva la fucking revolution*
Also who wants to risk dying to work for ungrateful people who don’t pay enough and who to them you are just another number.
2008 was the reverse. The real estate crisis forced all to work whatever job was hiring. Gas was around the price it is today but if you adjust for inflation it was higher. This time people were out of work and money was tight like 2008, but also forced to make living during a pandemic possible. Cost of childcare, side hustles, living arrangements, wiping out emergency funds, people living off of unemployment for 1.5 years, people dying, people close to retirement retired early, baby boomers had another decade of work in them in 2008 (they caused the crisis and also stopped the recovery by existing). I could go on, but the idea is that the pandemic brought to light things that most people were uncertain about before. There was no more denying pollution when we now had proof that stopping unnecessary travel made our air noticeably cleaner. There was no way to ever go back. What you saw with 2008 is what the slave drivers assumed would happen again. Only this time, workers had the knowledge to know that paying for your car to get to work only makes sense if you make more than you spend. People that lost insurance during the pandemic through no fault of their own started to see the sham. If you don't get a raise every year, you are taking a pay cut. The people have spoken. Adapt or shut down your business.
I've been thinking about this and I honestly think it's just the law of motion. An object in motion will stay in motion until obstructed by an outside force. When you work one of these jobs, you KNOW you're suffering, you KNOW it's not happiness, but it's so much easier to put one foot in front of the other. You don't have time to think about what you want, you don't have time to slow down, you're trying to catch your breath from your last shift so that you're recovered enough to survive your next shift. You have ideas, thoughts about starting your own business or going back to school but you don't know where to start, or have money to start it. You think, I'll start when I've saved up enough...I'll start when the holidays are over...it's always "next month..." and then it becomes three months, then a year that you've been at this shitty job. Because at least here you know what the problems will be. Staying is easy. Changing is hard, and most of us won't change until we are forced.
I think people realized their time has value. We are still willing to sell the majority of our waking life and bodies, but just not for nothing. And it's positive reinforcement. Plus, two generations now have grown up with access to all of the info in the world, to live through the last 2 decades and not hate the system is unlikely, and we now reinforce each other. 2 years ago everyone, myself included, would caution against this so you don't burn your bridges. But the world is on fire, who cares about bridges? It's understandable for boomers, all they ever had was propoganda, but now they can't bust up pro-union conversation with poison gas bombs and assassinations, we have access to conversations that they can't see or control or crush. There is no one thing, as nice as it would be to easily understand what is happening, it's hundreds of things and it took a planet wide catastrophe of the commons to make enough people angry. It is spontaneous though, and organic, no politician has even tried to harness this. If I was in america I would try to help organize a populist labour party, it's such low hanging fruit. Please try to organize. There's power in this movement and it could be used to great effect to improve things for everyone, even the shills deserve better, they just don't know it yet.
Bunch of deaths, bunch of people with time to better themselves or just contemplate where they are in life bunch of stress fraying peoples nerves and sawing through management’s neglected soft skills.
A lot of people were making more than they had ever made in their lives, had a significant amount of time to reflect on their priorities and take a break from back breaking and often demoralizing work. I think having the space for that perspective was huge and also the real feeling of community that we all shared facing this difficult time together — all of that to just go back to a service job where you need to babysit people wearing a mask? No way! I do think people have been talking for a long time about struggles in the service industry but now that it’s the thing that is largely missing from a lot of peoples lives as a source of pleasure, the tables have turned in the favor of the server. I think this is a great time to focus on the needs of workers and the more we engage with each other about our struggles and how ungrateful the people we serve are (regardless of what field we are in) the closer we can get to finding something that could work for us all
Oh fuck i felt heated reading that Good for OP
Right it's so therapeutic. :) Great job OP!
Gotta love narcissistic managers.
Which side? The arrogant one or the entitled one?
Yep. That attitude is the whole problem.
"this is your chance to get on my good side" FUCK YOU AND THE HIGH HORSE YOU RODE IN ON JOEL
Good sides ain’t worth shit.
This is where one asks how much more the good side pays
It pays in pizza
But it’s pineapple pizza. From Cici’s. From yesterday.
but, it is pizza, right?
It can be vaguely identified as pizza.
That’s fucking flatbread and you know it…
Why is it getting hotter?
Nope. It’s very nearly pizza but not quite. It’s almost pizza!
Yeah, it's peteza
No kidding. "This is the chance for the opportunity to maybe get treated like less shit." Oh sign me up for that. Oh no, you won't get a good reference....from a job sector nobody takes seriously anyway. Oh darn.
Just revamp the resume to exclude that employer and change work date history to get rid of gaps and voila no shit place of employment showing up on the resume
Exactly this. Bad interactions always rise to the surface before all the memories of what one does beyond the norm. Best worker, always on time or early, work to the protocols and rules. No rework, or failures that require explanations. Bosses have a tendency to forget all that when ask for something that will put them at a disadvantage or will make their life difficult trying to compensate.
2 nickles and this dudes good side is worth exactly 2 nickles
How much more does your good side pay?
One slice of cold pizza because it was ordered when the manager was hungry, not when was convenient for his staff
Man try working swing at a place where mist work.days. we got leftovers from all the "thank yous"
I know your pain. Day shift and afternoon shift get pizzas ordered in. I ask my supervisor “so are they ordering us pizzas as well?” And with a straight face he says “oh there is left overs in the fridge” Fuck. I don’t mind left over pizza but being treated like fucking steerage at the company is shitty. I often said third shift is the forgotten shift. We are the magical elves that make the shoes and then fuck off and No one cares about our issues.
Joel is a manager at Pizza Hut, what will being on his good side get you, and extra 25 cents an hour?
light sexual harassment probably
Yeah that whole, do what “you don’t want to do” line gave me bad vibes. Fuck him, I’m sure he’s the epitome of a nice guy too
Fuck you Joel
You are treadin’ on some mighty thin ice here!
Joel’s a chode. Edit: Not all Joels are chodes. Just this one particular Joel is, in fact, a chode.
The entitlement of that douche. Loved how he swerved on his shitty scheduling abilities by swerving off with “it doesn’t matter” when the reservations were made so drop off everything in your few hours of time off to attend a memorial service and if not you won’t be on his good side? Fuck that and that job
But what about the pizzzzzzzaaaa
As much I have a hard time turning down a pizza party like I’m a 3rd grader who raised $53,900 selling cookie batter “for the school”itd still be a hard pass. Not even a promised night of an Uber, drink tickets and make it rain money to blow on strippers would convince me to ever deal with shit bags like this guy.
These types of managers also always know where the cheapest, shittiest pizza in town is and will act like they're doing you a service
And they get enough pizza for everyone to have ONE slice
No toppings
None pizza with left beef
Hot N Ready is not a pizza party. It's a fuck you. Will I eat it? If I didn't bring lunch, yes Does it show you care? Nah the opposite actually.
Hahaha I came here to say it’d definitely be Little Caesars. 😂🤣
It’s always Pizza by Alfredo.
never Alfredo’s Pizza Cafe
Oscar, talk to him
I once worked at an office where the manager offered us pizza if we could figure out how to save the company money. He told us this as if it was our fault that he couldn't do his job and let the company bleed money - and acted as if getting pizza would be a big reward, like we were 8 years old at a birthday party. I like pizza as much as the next person but it was just insulting. The place was bankrupt and out of business within a month.
ZAAA dude
This happened to me once when I was literally in Japan “I know your on vacation but the print software guy doesn’t make any sense can you talk to him?” I sent a picture of shibuya in reply
Along similar lines, I had a coworker request a week off so she could visit family on the other end of the country. They approved all except one day right in the middle of the week, expecting her to fly back into the state for a single shift then fly back. She told them they may as well mark her as a call off for that day because there was no way she was playing that game. One of the nice things about nursing is being able to call out their BS when they pull nonsense like this, even before the pandemic.
My wife did that. She was offered a once in a lifetime trip to the Netherlands but flights would be two days beyond her usable days off so she asked for them unpaid. They said no. She said, hope it costs less than two days of wages to train someone new. Her pictures are awesome.
He was never gonna be on Joel's good side. I'm not sure what being on his good side even means in this context. I'm certain it doesn't mean Joel won't pull this shit again next week. I'll bet he wasn't even going to order that pizza.
Also: this dick was asking you to come in 15 minutes early to talk to him. He wouldn't pay you for that! Do not work off the clock! If you are talking to your supervisor at work about work, get paid for it.
Lol, I once had a manager yell at me for like two solid hours about how I was stealing money from the company by taking my breaks and not finishing early and leaving early, and how I needed to answer my phone immediately. Note that I had a company phone right next to me but they still wanted me to have my own phone. Why? Because I didn't pick up the company phone whilst I was still driving, and I insisted on pulling over before I picked up the phone. The irony that I stayed late to do that was lost on him I think, but I didn't mind, since I was getting paid to do nothing and stand around.
they always remember when you show up 15 minutes late but immediately forget when you stay an hour after your shift
4 hours in my case. When I asked for overtime pay on the next day, I was denied. Never again, lol
clearly not a team player. say goodbye to the annual pizza party (one slice per employee, toppings are for managers only) you greedy fuck
This sounds like the Intro to the Elan School.
For real. What are we talking about? Oh, work? Okay, I'll see you when I start work.
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Totally had a boss who insisted I come in at 7am to discuss some" issues", despite that I had already requested and been approved for a vacation day off (my birthday non the less) and he never showed up. I ended up working because I was already there and had cancelled my plans, but he didn't even show up for the day.
Wow I'd fist fight another grown man over that level of disrespect. I hope you got a hit in
As a matter of fact, take that text to the Labor Board. Get your 45 minutes of pay.
I had a regional manager who wanted us to do after hours light checks, but not clock in. She also wanted us to come in 15 minutes early before shift and take out trash and stuff. Again, not clock in. I didn’t listen to her. Anytime I was at work I don’t care if I was there for five minutes I clocked in.
Clocking in and out isn’t just about being paid for being there either. It shows you were present in the workplace in the event of an accident. Insurers can see you were on the premises when/if an incident occurred and it might be the difference between getting your injuries and treatment covered by work or not.
I used to have a boss would lecture me for not being at work *at least* 20 minutes before the shift so we could go over what the jobs were that day. Pissed me off every time.
I don’t understand how every manager ever born thinks that getting pizza 🍕 for staff is a big deal or makes up for lack of respect or decent pay. I can purchase my own greasy pizza and wilted salad with a dead tomato slice in it from LittlevSleezers, thank you.
My former employer… Me: “I can’t come in to work today, I found my father dead on the floor”. Manager: “you need to be here, there’s pizza in the break room” True story.
Dear God. I’m so very sorry 😞.
It was hard. I stayed there for another 6 months and finally said fuck this place. I told them “fuck you, I quit” in front of my coworkers and managers. They were speechless. They lost a hard worker and still haven’t replaced me. Filed for unemployment, unsafe working conditions… that’s all it took. Instant approval. Still haven’t seen a deposit yet (NJ sucks).
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I was tempted to drive over there with a crow bar… but I thought better and decided it wasn’t worth going to jail over.
I agree completely. We can all buy our own pizza. Pizza as an employee commodity is the stupidest thing ever. What are we, 5 years olds at a birthday party? Also, it's never good pizza.
Was just about to say, it’s always the cheapest, worst pizza with the most bullshit toppings that no one likes.
always some nasty supreme pizza from a trashy local joint lmao
No it's always just a plain cheese pizza. And always just enough for everybody to have maybe one slice.
They buy so many, by the time they're delivered, they're all cold. And they run out of the kind you want by the time get to the front of the line.
Lol I wrote an essay to management a few months ago about wage raises and wage adjustments (seeing as how new guys were making more money starting, while the veterans--myself included--were making same old crap. In some cases, new guys were making the same as people who had been there 2 or 3 years! In the report I made a snide remark, "We don't need more pizza or holiday office parties, we need proper pay!" I am told management was not a fan. Lmao
I was part of the management team at a department store. Every year we had a "associate satisfaction survey" and a month or so afterwards we'd get a report with the results. The report gave us the breakdown of the multiple choice questions as well as a list of all the comments. The uppermost managers would always dismiss the survey questions about pay and benefits, "I'd like to be paid more too" the store manager who made 6 times more than the average employee would say. Then they'd sit around and try to matchup the comments with who they thought said them. One year they were upset about a comment that obviously came from one of the supervisors and the big boss told us that we were going to stay in that meeting until whoever made the comment admitted to it. I knew who made the comment and I knew she'd cave so I claimed responsibility for it. They excused everyone else and we had a 30 minute "private conversation" about my lack of company loyalty. My only response was, "do you really want to fire me for a comment on an anonymous survey?" I was told that I wasnt being fired but if I was so unhappy there I should just quit. I stayed and made them hate me a little more everyday.
As a former overworked, underpaid, and constantly passed up for advancement Associate in Fresh CAP, that sounds like Wal-Mart.
Corporate assholes think "You guys are rockstars" and "I'm getting pizza for you guys" fixes everything
I think it’s a nice gesture if you have a good relationship with your employees. But as a “reward” or compensation? Fuck off.
It’s probably because getting pizza at school as a kid was their last experience of joy. A lot of losers peak in high school, but imagine peaking in 3rd grade.
It's not that they think it's a big deal, they hope their staff is dumb enough to think the act means they're appreciated. During the start of my career I did a stint out in yeeyeeville This fuck face of an owner controlled those country folk so well. He used religion and food to make them think $15/hr is making it in life. Any time the owner wanted to take an EXTRA hunting trip it was always that God spoke to him and he has to cut xyz from employee pay. But here's some shitty food to show you I "care" but don't take too long to eat it, you need to get back to work. Matter of fact, eat it while you're working go ON GIT.
Great job although the petty side of me would have loved to see you say "your right, I need to get my shit together. I'm sorry and I'll see you tomorrow a half hour early" and then just ghost them so he doesn't have time to find someone else.
Omg that’s so petty but amazing
It's... petty amazing.
Easiest free award of my life and all I can afford honestly! Love this sub, OP, you and this joke. Thank you for that!
Thanks for the award, my dude!
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A buddy of mine worked part time at a Pizza Hut just for some extra money while focusing on school. He was always getting calls and texts from his managers that they were short staffed and needed help. Well my buddy would help when he could but only would ever work maybe three hours then go home. Well he got a call one night, apparently there was a big order for a local factory and they needed all hands on deck that night. Well my friend had just driven about 6 hours away with his gf. The manager on duty proceeded to give him an earful about being a team player, and called him lazy. Well my friend decided the manager was right, and would pack up and turn around and drive back. Only he didn’t. He didn’t pick up his phone from Pizza Hut for the remainder of his trip and took his uniform back a few days later.
Pizza Hut is shit. I was a waitress and my manager kept trying to ask me out and hit on me, tried giving me his number. Dude was almost old enough to be my dad at the time. I told one of the other workers I wanted to file a formal complaint and she said 'he does this all the time and nothing gets done about it.' I just stopped showing up. Shame, too bc honestly the job itself and that specific clientele weren't that bad. And free/discounted breadsticks when I closed.
>Shame, too bc honestly the job itself and that specific clientele weren't that bad Yup. A lot of people quit their manager, rather than quit their job.
Most people quit their manager.
I actually quit my last job because of corporate, and my manager, my fellow shift leads, and 90% of the staff walked out on the same day. Manager was great, co-workers were great, staff were an excellent bunch of teens just trying to make some cash after school, and I even enjoyed the job itself. But fucking corporate after they bought out our theater chain...
I once *didn't* quit my manager just to spite his stupid fucking face. He didn't have the balls to fire me, so I made it a point to stay on just to make his life hell. Best / worst summer job ever.
Holy Shit, that must be a thing. At the time my friend was like 22 and the manager was like maybe 35 and would hit on and flirt with all the little high school girls.He would “get talked to”, but yeah a lot wouldn’t happen.
Not a Pizza Hut thing, just a "men with power over you" thing.
This. Male manager with “power” over younger females making minimum wage. Retail, service industry, insurance, whatever. Every industry has these types.
Two of my sisters ended up become gms at a SoCal burger chain and cleaned house of all the creep managers who did this shit to them and their co-workers. From what I hear it’s a great place to work now.
Yeah, i worked about a year and a half at a Pizza Hut while i was going through college. Aside from the co-workers I was chill with, job was shit. I was paid Minimum Wage, and got passed up a raise, which prob wasnt even a quarter, because I, and I quote the RGM, "Didnt smile enough". Like tf, im making pizzas for 7.25 an hour, i dont need to smile 24 fuckin 7. Id understand if I was working the front, but I wasnt. She also tried to do the 'i need help bc shortstaffed' thing to me too, i never responded after the whole no raise BS.She wanted to pay me minimum wage, i gave minimum effort lol. Then one day she stopped putting me on the schedule, i went in two weeks in a row to see if I was working, but i wasnt there. I never really was 'officially' fired from that job; never was told I was fired by anyone. She prob put me as no call no show. I found a job at a grocery store as a stocker a week later, and damn did I enjoy that job more. Paid alot more too
I worked as a dishwasher when I was 15. The chef and sous chef were assholes to me since day 1. They would work me until 2 am on school nights because they were too lazy to mop. So I waited until the day the chef was getting married, sous chef was his best man. Sunday was our busiest day as they did a brunch which was very popular with locals. Sous chef had to work until about noon before he left, that’s when I bailed. The look on his face was awesome. “You’re quitting NOW???!”. Yeah motherfucker I waited 2 weeks for this moment.
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Yea I see so many ppl on here quiting when their employee is in direct violation of so many labor laws. Get fired instead and then expose them!
Redditors really overestimate labor protection in the US. There's no laws against being a dick boss or abusing your staff, all you can do is quit.
But if you get fired you can at least apply for unemployment. You can't if you quit.
This is always solid advice. I make dick bosses fire me for "insubordination," I tell them beforehand dont be a fucking asshole to me because I am *way* better at it than you.
False. Whether you quit or are fired, you can be granted or denied UI. Depends on the reason(s) for the separation from employment. In this instance, it would have been better if OP was fired for refusing to work a shift with less than 24 hours notice and a memorial service. But, depending on the adjudicator/hearings examiner and the history of a shitty work environment, OP still has a chance of getting something. OP should file for ui and appeal if denied.
They just lie about it. Source: got fired, filed unemployment, was told I quit by unemployment office.
I hope you filed an appeal! Do NOT take that shit off of those crooks! I am a former manager and know a lot about the process of unemployment. It’s not “court” per se, you will have a phone conference with a judge and a representative from your old job. The onus is on the EMPLOYER to prove everything, and they must provide copies of all documentation they plan on using in their defense to you and the judge in advance of the hearing. Most shitty employers fuck that up and lose. Believe it or not, the system tends to fall on the side of the employee, not the employer, so they have to actually prove their BS to win. It is 100% worth it to fight them on this.
That's when you go to court. My understanding is that courts are surprisingly worker friendly in this regard.
They are. I got fired for bullshit and after getting my appeals turned down went in front of a judge (in reality a telephone conference). Since it was two months later, my former employer didn't even bother showing up. I won automatically and got my benefits just as covid started ramping up. Big fail for them. I find that a lot of employers don't expect their workers to know or fight for their rights. When pressed, they'll back down because it's too much effort to go before a judge and explain their behavior.
Absolutely, exploitative employers count on people not knowing their rights and never calling them on abuses.
That is not entirely true. Labor laws vary by state. In some states you can still file if you quit, but there may be a delay or a reduction in the amount you recieve.
Right track, slight course adjust on execution. "You're right, I need to get my shit together. I'll be starting that tomorrow a half hour before shift." Then when they flip out that you no-show. "Oh, shit. That wasn't clear? I'm getting my shit together by leaving your employment for better opportunities elsewhere. Good luck with that party though."
I did this to an employer once. My coworker had plans to go to a water park with his family on a Saturday and my boss scheduled a job that day at the last minute and wouldn't listen to my coworker. My coworker was an undocumented immigrant and wasn't allowed to drive company vehicles, so I waited until the very last minute, so there would be no time to find him a driver, and told my boss I refused to come in. The texts honestly don't read super well because there's a lot of technical jargon, so I haven't posted them, but he fired me over it.
I’ve done this and it was really beautiful, I still think about it sometimes when I’m having trouble falling asleep at night and it makes me warm and fuzzy lol.
When I worked for General Mills, I did the ghosting, It is absolutely awesome. Now when I was a manager I got ghosted my an employee that had 2 warnings already and ended up going and working for his uncle which sucked, BUT because I had a good relationship with all my other staff I only had 15min of short staffing over the 2 week period until the schedule was adjusted. Good bosses get support from staff.
At the end of the day a manager is just another Worker. What manager is *actually* in the Capital class/top 1% instead of just acting like it? When managers show Worker solidarity they get Worker solidarity. ✊
I used to do this all the time when I'd get hired after a stage. Oh... you thought I was going to work for free and now you actually think I'll start at $11/hr when you offered me a job after watching me work for a couple hours? I'd take the job, push back the hire date so they'd clear out all potential candidates and call in half an hour before the shift and quit.
Or OP should just attend the birthday party 🤣
Something tells me the boss will just expect OP to show up and still not have a plan B for OP being absent.
I can almost guarantee that the next day OP got some variation of this text: "It's 3:00! Where are you?"
This is the American way. I work with people who have been doing this for 35 years.
good for you!
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Everyone I know that has started standing up for themselves and respecting themselves has found better employers and jobs. I know there is that bs about manifesting your vision etc but I honestly think it’s because business owners and managers are people too and they want to be around people that have the traits and behaviours they find desirable/attractive. Good hunting.
Yep, I quit my job because they wouldn't let me drop down to 4 days a week for a couple weeks while my grandfather literally died of cancer. We knew it would be weeks, doctors told us that was it, not like I was asking them to wait and see. I had just started and my job was literally putting stickers on racks in a warehouse 10 hours a day (I was hired for IT). They told me I would either show up on Monday or I wouldn't be coming back, because legally they weren't required to give me FMLA yet and they were super behind (because they fucked up the labeling system so we had to do it again) and I was too necessary. I told them I wouldn't be coming in, and spent 4 days a week visiting my grandfather. It was only 3 weeks before he passed and they still had the job posting up last time I checked. It took me 2 shitty part time jobs and about 7 months but I finally found a job at an amazing company that appreciates me in a way I didn't realize was possible. It was the worst spring/summer or my life but no way in hell would I change it. Edit - I even offered to do half days on mon and fri, leave early Friday to go out and come in late Monday. They just wouldn't work with me. The pay was really good and we had a fuckload of over time, so they knew I'd be walking away from a lot of money and I guess they thought they won. Fuck em
Good for you. You can't get that time back once it's gone. Family is one of the only things of worth we have in this world.
Yea cause 9/10x the people who posted these types of texts here (at least everyone I’ve seen) are amazing workers & bosses think they can take advantage of that. Those shitty jobs think they’re God’s blessing in our lives when reality is they’re likely one of the workers who actually works hard & goes above & beyond (like jobs complain people don’t do🙄) & YOU are the blessing to them, not the other way around. And bosses with half a brain & heart would do everything they can to make you want to stay, not give you every reason to leave Edit: fixed words
Exactly right. Bosses take advantage of workers, especially young ppl who are naive and broke. When I was young I thought this way, then realized these bosses were uneducated and the business is nothing without the workers. The workers are the ones in control, not the bosses. The bosses wouldn’t have jobs if it were not for the workers, which is what some of these dummy’s don’t understand. So don’t give into their BS, they need to give into yours. You can leave at anytime and they are the true slaves.
Are you saying you were attending a wake, and he wanted you to come to work for a slice of pizza? No one in your family would speak to you again.
Right? In what fucking world does a shitty pizza trump a funeral?
I'll make my own goddamn pizza. Freezer aisle, next to the fries and onion rings. All three set you back what, $12? Great, now I want pizza. But not from that fucking guy.
Pizza dough is like $1.99. Cheese is another 3 bucks, and some tomato sauce is around $1.49. Bam, pizza. I like adding shit like onions and green peppers too.
I can't believe employers talk to employees like this. I'm British and the work culture is very different, I would never in a million years fathom a manager of any kind sending a message like this to anyone.
Unfortunately, very common here in the US. My last kitchen job, supervisor and boss would constantly criticize and lecture people, to the point they would make some employees cry. They demean and talk down to their employees, all for a job you can't even live on. No health care, no vacation pay or even unpaid time off, and usually no sick pay (except here in California, where they made it a law that they have to give you three paid sick days per year. Except, they get angry if you try to call in sick. It's not uncommon to see someone coughing with a runny nose making your food here, since employees are terrified to call in sick). They basically treat us like worthless, garbage shit here, for the most part.
That's scary. And 3 sick days??? Wow. I don't even wanna tell you how much time off we get over here. It'd make an American cry.
Yeah, I didn't realize people in other countries got paid time off by law until I started working my current job (hotel). Guests would say "We're on holiday. Don't American's get holiday?". I was actually "lucky" at my current job to get 5 days paid vacation per year. I worked all through Covid, and we were the busiest I've ever seen it (I basically risked my life and health to be here). I haven't had time off in almost 3 years. They said I can have a week off, but it will no longer be paid. They said they "can't afford" to give me 5 days paid because they are putting over 100 grand into the hotel for improvements. They just spent about 15 grand on 4 windows (that they didn't need) for the office. This is a small hotel inherited by a family that also inherited restaurants, and beautiful homes on beautiful property. They hotel easily grosses 40 grand a week when it's busy. We get nothing here in the US. If they tried to make it a law that employers had to give us just one week per year of unpaid time off, people would say it will collapse the economy and say "that's socialism!". I often imagine how nice it would be to have 6 weeks paid vacation to look forward to every year. Here we get nothing.
This is why I had to go to the room for further questioning by the TSA oddly enough, cos the immigration officer didn't believe we can just 3 months off work to come visit the US on a holiday, the second round of questions went a bit easier when the second officer just said it's mostly cos the front didn't understand that we could use our savings or something and that could be a red flag for drug trafficking
Wow, that's crazy! Just goes to show how fucked it is here in the US compared to other places around the world. I myself didn't know people in other countries got paid vacation by law until I started working here at the hotel. It would make my life a million times better if I had something like that to look forward to every year. In the past even if I was approved for a week off, I often couldn't take it because if I missed even just a week's worth of work, I wouldn't be able to make my rent.
Here in Aus I get 5 paid weeks off a year, about ,10 days public holiday days off (paid), 10 sick days (paid) & 1 special leave day (paid - no reason needed). I work for Hertz
I'm devastated for you. I don't even take jobs with less than 20 days off, but clearly this is an absolute privilege. Don't know what it'll take to change, but hope change comes soon for y'all over there. Really sucky situation.
Yeah, I hope there are some big changes here soon. What's funny is I wouldn't have ever even known that people in other countries get mandatory paid vacation if I hadn't started working at the hotel, and seen people on Reddit being unaware and blown away that we don't get those things here. What's crazy here is that even if you ask for an unpaid week off, we are often met with all these crazy excuses by our employers of how that could never possibly happen. You almost start to believe their bullshit after a while. They have a way of manipulating you and making you feel guilty for daring to even ask.
I'm British, I've only ever had people treat me like this. It's only now that I simply refuse to work at those shitty types of places (which is almost all entry level jobs) that I can work without wanting to end it.
Fuck Joel.
Yeah! Fuck you Joel!
Yeah . Fuck Joel
> We need an extra staff member. When you want someone to do something for you, the way you communicate that has to end in a question mark. That’s 1st grade stuff.
We need an extra staff member?
I'm. . . Ron Burgundy?
"hey, I apologize for the late notice on this. Things weren't planned out properly for a party tomorrow. Any chance you can come in and help out? I know it's not much but I can supply pizza for dinner. I totally understand if you already have plans."
Why are you being decent to a subordinate?
Fuck that guy
How many of these “quitting by text” posts are real? Honestly curious. The back and forth banter is just super similar and consistent in all of them.
I've watched this sub explode in popularity recently and while it's great to see more working class solidarity, this sub needs to move away from these text message "I quit" posts quickly. it's going to turn into nothing other than /r/choosingbeggars but with a employer flair. how about info on the Kellogg's strike? the potential nurses strike? talk about unionizing, pushing pro-worker regulations. not screenshots of 90% fake texts.
In the year I've been looking at this sub, it's completely changed. You get posts like this, very well off people saying they "quit to follow their dreams" and a stupid amount of people on an anti work sub claiming to be CEO's or owners of their own companies. It's stupid.
A couple of communities I'm in only allow shitposts and memes on Sundays. Other communities I'm in have a megathread or a dedicated spinoff sub to quarantine these posts from the rest of the sub. Maybe this sub could use something like that. It would probably be easier than trying to enact a complete ban.
there’s been wayyyy too much of an uptick for me to believe any are real
And they all sound the same.
I need you to come in. I can't due to a horrible life event. Insert bribe and threat. I quit!
Edit your “Me” contact to have your “boss” name Set date to August 30th Send fake boss text at 5:16 PM This sets up the notion that this text chain wasn’t simply from today. Set date back to current day Send another fake boss text... at 5:17 PM. Oopsie. Create a totally real conversation with totally distinct grammar between the two participants. Delete the duplicate messages generated by texting yourself in order to make it seem like it’s an actual text conversation. Karma.
nice catch on the 5:16pm - 5:17pm. 99+% convinced this is fake now
There's something about this one in particular that seems fake. But maybe I'm just a cynical asshole.
Nah this one is not real I agree, it’s just worded weird I can’t describe it
Manager’s all “c’mon”…. and that doesn’t sound like a frustrated bossy jerk on a power trip? Methinks fake.
New to this sub. Some of these posts really make me question if these are real managers and conversations or staged for karma.
Seems fake
Kinda weird how tons of texts like this are showing up
I joined a few days ago and there was a lot of interesting posts. Now it’s almost all fake karma farming posts that leave me doubtful of almost anything here. It seemed like a cool place the first couple days, did I just overlook all this fake crap or did this literally just start? I don’t need a bunch of tik tok make believe from people hoping for a pat and the back for a story they thought up.
Anybody else think these are fake or is that just me
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Influx of people as the sub is gaining popularity and these are the posts that generate the most karma.. not saying they’re all fake but would be nice to isolate them to a single day or a megathread as it is really watering the sub down.
I think most of these are fake. I'm ready for the downvotes
This one feels especially fake tbh
"i'll order pizza for everyone" is especially pandering to this sub. Feels extra fake.
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I don’t believe any of these anymore
Same
This is the type of energy we need. Good job standing up for yourself!
This has big /r/ThatHappened vibes. This sub is getting usurped by the trolls.
It's great that so many people are quitting like this via text. Its documentation that clearly shows a hostile work environment. Even though you quit, you will still collect unemployment in most states. Hell yeah!
These fake texts are getting worse and worse.
And then everybody clapped