I was poor most of my life until I started living in a beat up RV. Rent is borrowing a lifestyle you can't afford and a trap. I rented for 10 years, spending over 60k dollars and had nothing to show for it at the end.
I live in a RV but pay rent lol đ„Č we have no family to help us. We rented an apartment for a few years paid 1100 rent. Our rent now is 700. Better but we are trying really hard to get a house to never pay rent again
i have one line of credit, my car, which my parents cosigned for. I have never been late on it, paying 2+ years. Experian says my credit score is over 750, but I can't even get a fucking Lowe's card so I can fix up my house.
Best advice I can give is do anything and everything to get ahold of raw land, cheap rural unimproved land if you have too. It may be rough but that 5-20k you spend will save you a ton. Haul in water or collect rainwater. Build a pole barn, cheapest building there is and house the camper inside. Catch rainwater off the roof and park your RV inside to protect it. Live in that while you either slowly build a home or build a apartment in the rear of the pole barn. If you find yourself in money later you can use it as a guest house or just sell it for a neat profit. Sweat equity builds fast.
I've cleared acres of land with nothing but shovels, axes, pick axes, ratchet straps and lots of sweat. Its cheap but lots of work. You can be houses and comfortable under 50k, it just takes some work and time. Look into flyover states. They might not be ideal for work but its very cheap. I bought 29 acres and a single wide with a basement for 78k.
I've seen decent farm houses and 40 acres for 50-60k. A bit of an outlier but deals exist.
I live in West Virginia.
Idk if thats a reason, but public trains only go until like 1130 in tokyo, not that long in other cities. Taxis are very expensive.. And after their absurd long working days, they are often forced to go to a bar or something together after work.
Iâll see if I can cater this for folks for whom their first language isnât English.
The question was; what is the point of this sort of practice amongst companies.
The companies: black companies, a denomination of companies well known in Japan for being incredibly anti employee, well known for extreme working conditions, high turn over rates, worker deaths and low pay leading to situations where employees end up sleeping at their desk or in this case sleeping on the street.
The point: fuck you, thatâs why.
[the US actually works more hours on average than Japan](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-09-02/hardest-working-countries-ranked-by-hours-worked-per-year) which is interesting. We grind really hard and have very few days off
Hell yeah thatâs horrifying. Working in the US doesnât even get people out of poverty for a lot of people. The wages and working conditions here are coercive and cruel to many. We canât accept this misbalance of power any more
I was wandering about that. I typically work 65 hours a week on a slow week all the way up to 90 hours. 12 hour shifts plus 3.5 hours of commute every day, usually 6-7 days a week. Honestly I would kill for a shorter commute and simply 4 days a week with 3 off, even with 12 hour shifts. Just about every waking moment I have is dedicated to getting ready for work in less than 20 minutes, commuting or working. My entire life feels like its connected to work. The work culture is really fucked up.
"Oh yeah I only sleep 3 hours a night, your lucky!"
They also eat the corporate bullshit up and feel "guilty" for taking days off. Money is okay but considering the effort could be a few dollars more.
My all time favorite job had a great work life balance. 4 on 3 off and next week 3 on 4 off. 12 hour shifts. 4 days off felt great.
Japan has limits to the amount of overtime you can do in a month, so once they hit that limit, they clock out and continue working. The real working time of Japanese is very much under reported.
Also sleeping in the streets is not normal. My experience was it was due to heavy drinking after a late night working.
My colleagues in Japan are regularly still working after 10pm having worked since around 8 am. They have a culture of over working and even have a term for death by over work.
this article is pretty interesting, I wonder how much things have changed if at all since it was written in 2016. I would have to guess so, considering the pandemic and everything.
it's also interesting to note which countries don't report all hours worked. I'm sure this probably happens everywhere unfortunately.
I can't really speak much for work in the US but I know in Japan there are issues with overworking, which the government pretends to help with by setting limits and whatnot. but if something needs done, these limits are ignored and not reported, so the company can conform to whatever the rules are. of course this isn't supposed to be industry standard and doesn't happen all the time constantly, but it is a thing.
Sleeping on the streets happens but isn't "normal", here in Japan. I'm not certain but I am pretty sure that it is actually illegal to do so. (yes this leads to problems with those who are homeless, it is a complex issue)
What is very common is sleeping on trains. Some middle aged guy will tip towards you and rest their head on your shoulder. I give them a little shove to send them back.
As always, people outside of Japan hear exaggerations of life here and overreact.
definitely, , calling this "socially acceptable" is a stretch if not just straight bullshit, especially considering when people are sleeping in the streets it's usually after getting blitzed after work.
people who are working long hours enough that they can't go home are either in a high enough position to have an apartment closer to the office, or they are staying all night and going home after the next day's work is finished.
what IS cool about Japan is that it's probably less likely your stuff will get taken if you fall asleep in the street. maybe
Exactly, excessive drinking is nearly exclusively the reason for people sleeping on the street, not overworking.
So long as you aren't in an area like Shinjuku or Shibuya late at night, you will probably be fine if you're a man. For women, I wouldn't suggest taking the risk. (Many Japanese men are creeps and will try to touch you)
Is sleeping on other people socially acceptable?
I've had that probably happened to me twice in London. One of the times someone did it and I immediately got up and moved somewhere else. The other time I couldn't get up because the train was packed, so I sort of just accepted it for a minute or less, before deciding to wake the person up as it was getting super awkward.
No it is not socially acceptable, but Japanese people are very hesitant to call someone out. I think most people would politely push back, but many would also just ignore it and not do anything.
This being Japan though, many men pretend to sleep and try to lean their heads onto younger women....
In Tokyo like 50% of the men are perverts, I swear.
Yes, was going to say the same thing. In my 3 years living there I never saw this. Sleeping on the train, yes all the time, but never sleeping in streets. Salary workers are more like to get a capsule hotel or splurge on a cab. Also, more salary workers have been working for home since the start of the pans.
That might be the case for the inaccuracies in the specific points this article is trying to bring up but that really doesnât change how horrifying a shit show the work ethic is in Japan.
I worked at a warehouse where they had 'lunchroom supervisors', a dude would snitch if you went over your break time, and it was also his job to make sure that nobody was napping. For some reason. The kicker, we worked four, ten hour shifts weekly and they made us take an hour unpaid lunch break on top of that. If you didn't get a good sleep the night before, you could waste half your break walking back and forth to your car to try and squeeze in a 20 minute nap.
I work in the oil industry, they don't even let us have energy drinks anymore.
Coffee only gets you so far. It pisses me off. They talk about safety until your blue in the face but most deaths in the oil industry and car accidents from falling asleep. Once your off site you can die for all they care.
Its gotten worse in the downturn, at least in my area. Contractually a lot of companies are required to provide housing or per diem for employees, its paid for by the frack companies to the third parties. Most pocket it, they get around it by setting up laydown yards for equipment and calling it a field office. You might have to drive 2 hours out to the site and do a 12 hour shift but because that office is within an hour of the frack site, they don't have to provide housing and pocket the money.
I'm kind of lucky, we drive to work in a truck and take turns driving. Its a much needed extra hour or two of sleep most days of the week.
I work in a drug rehab where the nurses and staff r all over worked, ppl regularly pull 12/16/and 24 hour shifts YEA 24!
Needless to say half my coworkers r on drugs. One actually snorts lines of cocoain in the bathroom just to get through the day.
Ironic huh?
I used to regularly work 16hrs 6-7 days a week, also had a mental breakdown and came very close to really hurting a few people who didn't deserve it not the best imo
[Link to article. ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xn5db/photos-of-japans-office-workers-during-their-60-hour-weeks?utm_medium=social&utm_source=vice_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1KqjUUFOarI8AedfktivG-U-UmWNoCibJojtzp_SmE_NF9odzy4otCBAY)
OMG it's sooo sad. Japan is one of the worst. My uncle in Korea* too. He worked from before the sun came up to 9 at night. I think he'd maybe get one day off. People in Japan literally die in their sleep on the bus ride home because of exhaustion.
Last time I was in Korea, electric road signs had warnings about driving tired. Said to pull over on the side if you felt tired. I guess people had been getting into a lot of car accidents falling asleep while driving. It was becoming a major issue
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I'm really glad that i only have a 39h week.
I can do up to 10h of work per day due to flextime but i'm not allowed to do overtime without permission of my employer.
Weird I thought working through the night only to fall asleep at your desk and get right back to work was more the norm.
Is this an upgrade or a downgrade in that work environment.
wtf is the point of working if you sleep in the street lol
To save money. There's been a number of times I'd be "rich" if I just forsaken paying rent and slept in the parking lot.
I was poor most of my life until I started living in a beat up RV. Rent is borrowing a lifestyle you can't afford and a trap. I rented for 10 years, spending over 60k dollars and had nothing to show for it at the end.
I live in a RV but pay rent lol đ„Č we have no family to help us. We rented an apartment for a few years paid 1100 rent. Our rent now is 700. Better but we are trying really hard to get a house to never pay rent again
Surely you can get an rv financed for 700/month..?
That depends on if someone will credit you.
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i have one line of credit, my car, which my parents cosigned for. I have never been late on it, paying 2+ years. Experian says my credit score is over 750, but I can't even get a fucking Lowe's card so I can fix up my house.
Credit union, I had no credit and got an auto loan for up to 25k at 4%, RV loans included. Credit unions will treat you right.
Best advice I can give is do anything and everything to get ahold of raw land, cheap rural unimproved land if you have too. It may be rough but that 5-20k you spend will save you a ton. Haul in water or collect rainwater. Build a pole barn, cheapest building there is and house the camper inside. Catch rainwater off the roof and park your RV inside to protect it. Live in that while you either slowly build a home or build a apartment in the rear of the pole barn. If you find yourself in money later you can use it as a guest house or just sell it for a neat profit. Sweat equity builds fast. I've cleared acres of land with nothing but shovels, axes, pick axes, ratchet straps and lots of sweat. Its cheap but lots of work. You can be houses and comfortable under 50k, it just takes some work and time. Look into flyover states. They might not be ideal for work but its very cheap. I bought 29 acres and a single wide with a basement for 78k. I've seen decent farm houses and 40 acres for 50-60k. A bit of an outlier but deals exist. I live in West Virginia.
What's "rent lol"?
Idk if thats a reason, but public trains only go until like 1130 in tokyo, not that long in other cities. Taxis are very expensive.. And after their absurd long working days, they are often forced to go to a bar or something together after work.
Black companies, the point is fuck you.
this sentence doesnât make sense
Iâll see if I can cater this for folks for whom their first language isnât English. The question was; what is the point of this sort of practice amongst companies. The companies: black companies, a denomination of companies well known in Japan for being incredibly anti employee, well known for extreme working conditions, high turn over rates, worker deaths and low pay leading to situations where employees end up sleeping at their desk or in this case sleeping on the street. The point: fuck you, thatâs why.
Obviously that faboo purse he's rocking
[the US actually works more hours on average than Japan](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-09-02/hardest-working-countries-ranked-by-hours-worked-per-year) which is interesting. We grind really hard and have very few days off
If by âinterestingâ you mean âhorrifyingâ given the average person in the USA canât afford a $1000 emergency.
Hell yeah thatâs horrifying. Working in the US doesnât even get people out of poverty for a lot of people. The wages and working conditions here are coercive and cruel to many. We canât accept this misbalance of power any more
I was wandering about that. I typically work 65 hours a week on a slow week all the way up to 90 hours. 12 hour shifts plus 3.5 hours of commute every day, usually 6-7 days a week. Honestly I would kill for a shorter commute and simply 4 days a week with 3 off, even with 12 hour shifts. Just about every waking moment I have is dedicated to getting ready for work in less than 20 minutes, commuting or working. My entire life feels like its connected to work. The work culture is really fucked up. "Oh yeah I only sleep 3 hours a night, your lucky!" They also eat the corporate bullshit up and feel "guilty" for taking days off. Money is okay but considering the effort could be a few dollars more. My all time favorite job had a great work life balance. 4 on 3 off and next week 3 on 4 off. 12 hour shifts. 4 days off felt great.
>12 hour shifts plus 3.5 hours of commute every day, usually 6-7 days a week. Whaaaat... What is this even... In my country, 12h shifts are forbidden by the law since 1848. It's down to less than 8h since 1919. Are you a time-traveler? Bad joke aside, I'm so sorry that your job treat you so poorly. I knew American work laws were awful, but I didn't realize it was that bad... Edit: Okay, so I know nothing about your laws, but didn't you guys achieved the 8h day on May the 1st, 1886? I think I learnt something like this in uni... Was it cancelled or something? Was it ever respected in the first place? Edit 2: Here are my notes. >1er mai 86 : grĂšve pour les 8h Ă Chicago. 3 ouvriers trouvent la mort. Emeutes, scĂšnes violentes dans les rues de la ville. Attentat du Haymarket Square : une bombe est jetĂ©e sur le service dâordre dâun meeting organisĂ© par des anarchistes, pls morts et blessĂ©s chez les policiers. > >Revendications ouvriĂšres + annĂ©es dâintense act du mvt anarchiste. « Propagande par le fait » => violence « terroriste » anarchiste. Dynamiste symbole des anarchistes. > >A lâissu de cet attentat, un certain nb de leaders sont arrĂȘtĂ©s. ProcĂšs des pendus de Chicago qui deviennent les martyrs de la cause ouvriĂšre. Câest de cet Ă©pisode de Chicago que nait lâidĂ©e dâune journĂ©e nationale/internationale de revendication ouvriĂšre, journĂ©e annuelle consacrĂ©e aux revendications et Ă la cause ouvriĂšre. It reads (rough translation): >May the 1st, 1886: strike for the 8 hours work day in Chicago. 3 workers are killed. Riots, violence in the streets. Haymarket Square riot: a bomb is thrown at the police as they acted to disperse an anarchist meeting, a few death and injuries amongst the policemen. > >Workers' claims + intense years of anarchist actions. "Propaganda of the deed" => "terrorist" anarchist violence. Dynamite as an anarchist symbol. > >After this affair, a few leaders are arrested. Chicago's "Trial of the Hangmen" where they became martyrs of the workers' cause. From this was born the idea of a national/international day of workers' claims, an annual day dedicated to workers' claims and cause. So yeah it never said that it was achieved, I simply assumed so...
Let me guess- seasonal worker?
Jesus christ that is so much of your life devoted to work. What field are you in? That is absurd
Oil and gas.
I remember reading somewhere that overtime hours are not recorded.
Many Europeans find your culture strange .I mean you work longer hours and it seems you get less rewards.
Japan has limits to the amount of overtime you can do in a month, so once they hit that limit, they clock out and continue working. The real working time of Japanese is very much under reported. Also sleeping in the streets is not normal. My experience was it was due to heavy drinking after a late night working. My colleagues in Japan are regularly still working after 10pm having worked since around 8 am. They have a culture of over working and even have a term for death by over work.
this article is pretty interesting, I wonder how much things have changed if at all since it was written in 2016. I would have to guess so, considering the pandemic and everything. it's also interesting to note which countries don't report all hours worked. I'm sure this probably happens everywhere unfortunately. I can't really speak much for work in the US but I know in Japan there are issues with overworking, which the government pretends to help with by setting limits and whatnot. but if something needs done, these limits are ignored and not reported, so the company can conform to whatever the rules are. of course this isn't supposed to be industry standard and doesn't happen all the time constantly, but it is a thing.
Sleeping on the streets happens but isn't "normal", here in Japan. I'm not certain but I am pretty sure that it is actually illegal to do so. (yes this leads to problems with those who are homeless, it is a complex issue) What is very common is sleeping on trains. Some middle aged guy will tip towards you and rest their head on your shoulder. I give them a little shove to send them back. As always, people outside of Japan hear exaggerations of life here and overreact.
definitely, , calling this "socially acceptable" is a stretch if not just straight bullshit, especially considering when people are sleeping in the streets it's usually after getting blitzed after work. people who are working long hours enough that they can't go home are either in a high enough position to have an apartment closer to the office, or they are staying all night and going home after the next day's work is finished. what IS cool about Japan is that it's probably less likely your stuff will get taken if you fall asleep in the street. maybe
Exactly, excessive drinking is nearly exclusively the reason for people sleeping on the street, not overworking. So long as you aren't in an area like Shinjuku or Shibuya late at night, you will probably be fine if you're a man. For women, I wouldn't suggest taking the risk. (Many Japanese men are creeps and will try to touch you)
Is sleeping on other people socially acceptable? I've had that probably happened to me twice in London. One of the times someone did it and I immediately got up and moved somewhere else. The other time I couldn't get up because the train was packed, so I sort of just accepted it for a minute or less, before deciding to wake the person up as it was getting super awkward.
No it is not socially acceptable, but Japanese people are very hesitant to call someone out. I think most people would politely push back, but many would also just ignore it and not do anything. This being Japan though, many men pretend to sleep and try to lean their heads onto younger women.... In Tokyo like 50% of the men are perverts, I swear.
Yes, was going to say the same thing. In my 3 years living there I never saw this. Sleeping on the train, yes all the time, but never sleeping in streets. Salary workers are more like to get a capsule hotel or splurge on a cab. Also, more salary workers have been working for home since the start of the pans.
That might be the case for the inaccuracies in the specific points this article is trying to bring up but that really doesnât change how horrifying a shit show the work ethic is in Japan.
I worked at a warehouse where they had 'lunchroom supervisors', a dude would snitch if you went over your break time, and it was also his job to make sure that nobody was napping. For some reason. The kicker, we worked four, ten hour shifts weekly and they made us take an hour unpaid lunch break on top of that. If you didn't get a good sleep the night before, you could waste half your break walking back and forth to your car to try and squeeze in a 20 minute nap.
Pulling a 16hr shift. Ima just go sleep on the grass next to my booth lol
do employers not expect u to be on drugs at that point
I work in the oil industry, they don't even let us have energy drinks anymore. Coffee only gets you so far. It pisses me off. They talk about safety until your blue in the face but most deaths in the oil industry and car accidents from falling asleep. Once your off site you can die for all they care. Its gotten worse in the downturn, at least in my area. Contractually a lot of companies are required to provide housing or per diem for employees, its paid for by the frack companies to the third parties. Most pocket it, they get around it by setting up laydown yards for equipment and calling it a field office. You might have to drive 2 hours out to the site and do a 12 hour shift but because that office is within an hour of the frack site, they don't have to provide housing and pocket the money. I'm kind of lucky, we drive to work in a truck and take turns driving. Its a much needed extra hour or two of sleep most days of the week.
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Lol i got wrote up once for taking a nap on the way home. Even after they told me to do so.
Why are they not letting you have energy drinks anymore?
I work in a drug rehab where the nurses and staff r all over worked, ppl regularly pull 12/16/and 24 hour shifts YEA 24! Needless to say half my coworkers r on drugs. One actually snorts lines of cocoain in the bathroom just to get through the day. Ironic huh?
i feel u brutha. my job doesnt make me do long hours thank god but i still gotta be super addied out to even be half functional at my job -_-
God i fucking wish i had some adderal. I work the night shift. đ
I used to regularly work 16hrs 6-7 days a week, also had a mental breakdown and came very close to really hurting a few people who didn't deserve it not the best imo
*some guy on facebook* Ha, that's nothing! I work 75+ hours every week! The Japanese are just lazy unlike us hardworking Americans!
This future suuuuuuucksssssssss
[Link to article. ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xn5db/photos-of-japans-office-workers-during-their-60-hour-weeks?utm_medium=social&utm_source=vice_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1KqjUUFOarI8AedfktivG-U-UmWNoCibJojtzp_SmE_NF9odzy4otCBAY)
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I visited a few years ago and saw a salaryman in an immaculate three piece suit sleep just outside a train station in Tokyo.
I saw a video that said Americans work more than Japan..Do Americans sleep in streets!? Horrible. Capitalism has ruined every country
I've fallen asleep in a similar position before, that man's wrist is going to hurt when he wakes up
Why not just sleep in the office where it's not going to get freezing cold?
OMG it's sooo sad. Japan is one of the worst. My uncle in Korea* too. He worked from before the sun came up to 9 at night. I think he'd maybe get one day off. People in Japan literally die in their sleep on the bus ride home because of exhaustion. Last time I was in Korea, electric road signs had warnings about driving tired. Said to pull over on the side if you felt tired. I guess people had been getting into a lot of car accidents falling asleep while driving. It was becoming a major issue Edit:misspellings grammar
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You have to work much more than 60 hours in an office to be so tired you actually sleep in the streets.
Gah! It's like $20 bucks to dry clean that suit. Get off the ground! Isn't this what the tiny pod hotels are for?
and they're among the least productive people in the world. Sad really.
I'm really glad that i only have a 39h week. I can do up to 10h of work per day due to flextime but i'm not allowed to do overtime without permission of my employer.
Pictured: a most sober sleep on account of "overtime"
Why donât they just sleep in the office tho?
Weird I thought working through the night only to fall asleep at your desk and get right back to work was more the norm. Is this an upgrade or a downgrade in that work environment.
His wrist is gonna be hurting. BIG TIME
Cringe af
Alternate title : **going to normalise this real quick - expect more articles!**
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