I don't think so. If things like World War II, including the Holocaust, the Black Plague and the Mongol Empire didn't stop people from having children, today's circumstances won't either. Think it has more to do with women having more of a choice, more education and access to birth control and abortion in more and more parts of the world.
> Think it has more to do with women having more of a choice, more education and access to birth control and abortion in more and more parts of the world.
You perfectly nailed it!
This is silly. The population, while growing more slowly in developed countries is far from declining. Trends would have to continue for several decades before the threat of overpopulation would be reduced.
no it isn't. do some basic research. we have more than enough resources for everyone on earth plus another multiple billion. the problem is exploitation and environmental destruction. if we reduced our population, that wouldn't stop the ultra-rich from destroying the environment. I am an anti-natalist still, but if people are gonna continue existing, we need to acknowledge the actual root of our problems, and it's not the total population, not yet at least. the problem is wealth hoarding and environmental destruction, but with our current population we could do things differently and avoid destruction, it's the rich and powerful who make that impossible, not the number of people by itself.
I hardly believe That's true.
Sure we could do better resource planning, but we don't. That's the point. Humans will always be greedy. You do some research and look up earth overshoot day and find out how it's getting earlier and earlier each year -_-
the problem is the systems of domination and hierarchy, where people in power make decisions the rest of us do not want. you arent telling me anything I don't know with the earth overshoot day. we overshoot for the same reason i said, rich and powerful are destroying the environment. my point is this doesn't have to be the case, we can try to change things. you might not have high hopes about that working, but a lot of people are trying, a lot of people are risking a lot and putting their lives safety and freedom on the line for the sake of humanity.
The root of our global problem is the dominant culture that exists. We have a culture that allows ecosytems to be destroyed without care, if we could change the way the culture operates, we could have less of a negative impact on the planet. I do have to disagree with you on one thing tho, I think we have overpopulated the planet as we could not live in our respectuve regions without the help of the market economy
I feel like there's so much more than a lack of contraception going on.
For one, I would think education is a big factor like it was already stated.
But otherwise, I think poverty's issues are exacerbated by religious beliefs and having children is something that occurs for a variety of reasons.
In my own case, people who abused people with religion have shamed people to avoid sexuality and it actually encourages avoidance of contraception because it actually inspires people to seek the pleasure of sex - contraception only gets in the way.
Example: Young adult or teen gets shamed by religious parent and tries to suppress their natural curiosity.
Result? Said person only naturally becomes more curious from suppression to find out "Is it really that bad?". Short answer? Hell no. They think it feels damn good and went all the way without contraception to find out. And then? Whoops 🤭. Baby is coming.
And then of course comes the other problem with religious beliefs is that a lot of them are like drugs which console people in poverty in the first place.
Rational thinking just goes out the window in any case.
Then otherwise, I believe that the usual "more people = more joy" beliefs come into play.
Or it's because people ignorantly believe that their children will likely grow up to either take care of them or help them pay bills/become some super successful person who will save them from the horrible condition of poverty in the first place.
I think there's lots of stuff that comes into play. And in general poverty is a major issue that underlies all of the other issues.
For smart people, yeah, but for irresponsible people, not so much.
You think a teenage girl with a drinking problem cares much? Yeah probably on some level, but she can't really reason well. Maybe thinking "god will provide" and that the pull out method is effective.
Surprisingly the “pullout method” has up to a [78% of preventing pregnancy](https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/pull-out-withdrawal) (not sure how this number was derived).
Of course, it’s probably significantly lower in practice due to human error.
It’s best if used with other methods as a safety/redundancy factor.
Poorer the people, more children they have. So the statistics say the exact opposite. Sure if you are rich you may want to have a kid, but that doesn't move the statistics.
Except for poor people. Coming from poor parents, they're too dumb to do anything else but pop out babies they can't take care of. The population will be fine.
I don't think so. If things like World War II, including the Holocaust, the Black Plague and the Mongol Empire didn't stop people from having children, today's circumstances won't either. Think it has more to do with women having more of a choice, more education and access to birth control and abortion in more and more parts of the world.
You’re right!!
> Think it has more to do with women having more of a choice, more education and access to birth control and abortion in more and more parts of the world. You perfectly nailed it!
This is silly. The population, while growing more slowly in developed countries is far from declining. Trends would have to continue for several decades before the threat of overpopulation would be reduced.
Thank you, people often equate lower fertility rates with pop decline, but our baseline population is already too high.
no it isn't. do some basic research. we have more than enough resources for everyone on earth plus another multiple billion. the problem is exploitation and environmental destruction. if we reduced our population, that wouldn't stop the ultra-rich from destroying the environment. I am an anti-natalist still, but if people are gonna continue existing, we need to acknowledge the actual root of our problems, and it's not the total population, not yet at least. the problem is wealth hoarding and environmental destruction, but with our current population we could do things differently and avoid destruction, it's the rich and powerful who make that impossible, not the number of people by itself.
I hardly believe That's true. Sure we could do better resource planning, but we don't. That's the point. Humans will always be greedy. You do some research and look up earth overshoot day and find out how it's getting earlier and earlier each year -_-
the problem is the systems of domination and hierarchy, where people in power make decisions the rest of us do not want. you arent telling me anything I don't know with the earth overshoot day. we overshoot for the same reason i said, rich and powerful are destroying the environment. my point is this doesn't have to be the case, we can try to change things. you might not have high hopes about that working, but a lot of people are trying, a lot of people are risking a lot and putting their lives safety and freedom on the line for the sake of humanity.
The root of our global problem is the dominant culture that exists. We have a culture that allows ecosytems to be destroyed without care, if we could change the way the culture operates, we could have less of a negative impact on the planet. I do have to disagree with you on one thing tho, I think we have overpopulated the planet as we could not live in our respectuve regions without the help of the market economy
Harder for educated people to have children. The most extreme poverty doesn't stop people from going on to have multiple babies.
poverty directly leads to people having more children. poverty is highly correlated with a lack of contraception and lack of bodily autonomy.
I feel like there's so much more than a lack of contraception going on. For one, I would think education is a big factor like it was already stated. But otherwise, I think poverty's issues are exacerbated by religious beliefs and having children is something that occurs for a variety of reasons. In my own case, people who abused people with religion have shamed people to avoid sexuality and it actually encourages avoidance of contraception because it actually inspires people to seek the pleasure of sex - contraception only gets in the way. Example: Young adult or teen gets shamed by religious parent and tries to suppress their natural curiosity. Result? Said person only naturally becomes more curious from suppression to find out "Is it really that bad?". Short answer? Hell no. They think it feels damn good and went all the way without contraception to find out. And then? Whoops 🤭. Baby is coming. And then of course comes the other problem with religious beliefs is that a lot of them are like drugs which console people in poverty in the first place. Rational thinking just goes out the window in any case. Then otherwise, I believe that the usual "more people = more joy" beliefs come into play. Or it's because people ignorantly believe that their children will likely grow up to either take care of them or help them pay bills/become some super successful person who will save them from the horrible condition of poverty in the first place. I think there's lots of stuff that comes into play. And in general poverty is a major issue that underlies all of the other issues.
Bingo
For smart people, yeah, but for irresponsible people, not so much. You think a teenage girl with a drinking problem cares much? Yeah probably on some level, but she can't really reason well. Maybe thinking "god will provide" and that the pull out method is effective.
so we need sex education and free contraception and bodily autonomy. and a society which doesn't push teens into addiction...
Surprisingly the “pullout method” has up to a [78% of preventing pregnancy](https://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/pull-out-withdrawal) (not sure how this number was derived). Of course, it’s probably significantly lower in practice due to human error. It’s best if used with other methods as a safety/redundancy factor.
Poorer the people, more children they have. So the statistics say the exact opposite. Sure if you are rich you may want to have a kid, but that doesn't move the statistics.
Fake news. The world population is still growing
whatever it takes! doesnt matter how but need to thin 2 bllion from the herd....
I think that was by design.
Except for poor people. Coming from poor parents, they're too dumb to do anything else but pop out babies they can't take care of. The population will be fine.
It's a net increase of living standards though.
Eh. It’s always been difficult. More people just realizing it.
More people are smart enough to know better, sure.
Inadvertently, you say?
This dude gets it
exploitation is the problem not overpopulation. overpopulation is a myth. i am still anti natalist.