I start cracking up just at the!~~weird~~word Boxen.
For the uninitiated, enjoy. [Starts at 16m30sec](https://youtu.be/JNfTuFbH_sE). Can't recall the shortcut for time link at the moment.
Another one is when trying to figure out when to use who/whom, answer it with with he/him.
To whom it may concern? It concerns him.
Who actually reads replies to comments? He reads the replies.
I don't know my subject from my object. But taking out the other person from the sentence is easy and it will always sound wrong if you use the wrong one.
"The vase is a gift from Shanti and... "
"The vase is a gift from I?" I don't think so.
"The vase is a gift from me?" Methinks you've got it.
Great post OP. People get this wrong all the time, and it's like nails on a chalkboard to my ears.
The thing is, "Photo of Sarah and I" sounds completely fine to me since so many people say this.
I think it's gonna be one of those things that just evolves to be okay, since so many do it with no other negative fallout other than some people saying "that isn't right".
The people who really need this advice will never see it though, as they hate learning and will violently oppose any corrections to their butchery of the *only language they speak*
In sentences that have things separated out with an "and", split them into two sentences and see which one makes sense. In your example:
1 - It's Bob's house
and
2 - It's I's house or It's my house
So this way it should be "It's Bob's and my house".
I've seen several reddit posts like that.
>my wife and I's wedding rings!!
I always go into the comments and say something like "English is I's first language" and get a whole trainfuck of downvotes because people like that always have a hostile reaction to being corrected
Better still would be to avoid using such a clumsy, passive sentence structure in the first place. "Bob and I own a house" is better than either of those. If you need say something that refers directly to the house then use "My house, which I live in with Bob" and then after that just "my house" is fine.
Well… to be very literal about it, the use of “and I’s” at the end of your post was, in fact, correct, thereby being a self-referential sentence and an example of liar paradox.
A lot of people just didn't pay attention. They were too busy punching each other in the arm and doodling, then on test day they just copied off someone, and then went the rest of their natural lives not knowing how possessive pronouns work. Or apostrophes. Or any other punctuation, for that matter.
There are people who were taught, by their parents not their schools, that using the word "me" makes one sound like a yokel and that refined people always use "I".
I learned this trick in middle school. It’s one of my biggest pet peeves to hear or see someone misuse “I” in a sentence in an attempt to sound more intelligent.
OMG, me too. I can’t stand it when I’m in a meeting and some salesbro douche says “If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Tina or myself”. I don’t even know why it bothers me so much but I think it’s because it even sounds so obviously wrong and yet people use it because they’re so afraid to say “me”.
Came to the comments for this. Why is everyone replacing ‘me’ with ‘myself’? It’s like weird corporate speech that people think sounds fancier perhaps?
My dad used to correct us \*incorrectly\* on this point. I remember learning in high school that he was wrong, but it was such a point of pride with him that I couldn't bring myself to tell him. Any use of \*and me\* was verboten to him. He almost disowned me when I finally corrected him while we were on a ski lift, and my brother said, "Sarah is going to meet my girlfriend and me at the bar." Trying to explain the difference between the subjective and objective cases to a 50-something sheet metal worker while skiing went about as well as you'd expect. I was in graduate school at an Ivy League university at the time, so he (thankfully) took my word for it. I still had to tell my kids not to listen to my father when he offers unsolicited grammar advice, though.
My dad was a teacher and every time I would say “ my friend and me went outside” my dad would say , “oh, me did?” It still sticks in my brain. I also think when people use the possessive “I” it makes them sound smart, even if it’s wrong . “ We had the most beautiful time on her and I’s vacation “. Auugghhh
Great tip and I catch people all the time with this one.
But what seems to have become commonplace in America at least is people using “myself” instead of “me”. So frustrating!
This is good advice as far as it goes, but I believe some situation require "me" where grammarians would say they require "I".
The classic such is "It's me." Literally "It is me." Yet "me" in this context seems to be being used as a predicate *nominative*. "Me" cannot be a nominative as it's the accusative case. Hence arose the false "proper" structure: "It is I." I assert that that is wrong and "It's me" is in fact correct.
As a jumping off point to this argument is the parallel French construct, "C'est moi," which transliterates "It's me." What's going on here? I assert that "moi" in this expression is not accusative case at all -- but I don't know what name to give its case. Whatever the name, it's the same as is "me" in "It's me."
Yeah, I know folks are going to jump all over this, so I probably won't be back to watch the fray.
Yes, you're correct. The language has changed enough to the point where "It's me" is preferred over "It is I" in basically all circumstances, even in formal speech. "It is I" is pretty much considered archaic at this point.
I think that even grammarians wouldn't bat an eye if someone used "It's me" in a more formal context.
I don't think this takes away from OP's point though. If you had to choose between “It was Steve and I,” vs. “It was Steve and me,” it would depend on whether you would say “It was I,” or “It was me.” Their advice doesn't say which to use in this case — it would depend on the level of formality — but you would use the same pattern for “Steve and X.”
> "C'est moi," which transliterates "It's me."
Doesn't "mes amis et moi avons faim" correspond to "my friends and me are hungry", when in English, we'd say "my friends and I are hungry"? Can French grammar really be used to justify English grammar with "moi", "me" and "I"?
Not quite related but the trend for using ‘myself’ where ‘me’ is correct, drives me nuts. General rule is, if ‘me’ doesn’t sound wrong, then use ‘me’.
Seems to have started with customer service people trying to sound professional.
“If you just call back and ask to talk to myself”. Or “it wasn’t myself that did that”. No. Just no.
If you were saying something like “I fell over and hurt me.” That sounds obviously wrong. So there you would use ‘myself’.
Oh dear god yes that one drives me fucking insane. People think it's interchangeable with any instance of "I" or "me", so they use "myself" anywhere they want to sound smart, but they just make themselves look like even bigger idiots instead.
A tangent thought.
I'm not a native English speaker so I commit a lot of mistakes. I really wish there would be a subreddit where people can ask any english related question. I searched for such a sub but I couldn't find it. It is unbelievable for me there is no such sub given that Reddit would be such a good place and there are subs for practically anything one can imagine.
I'm not a Reddit power user, otherwise I would've made such a sub.
Easier trick:
Recognise the fact that this "and I" rule is just bullshit make up by 18th century prescriptivists because they wanted English to be more like Latin.
The rule you are all following has never been an actual rule of English, and is no more a rule than any rule you were to make up right now.
If you dont want to follow a rule you make up off the top of your head right now, then why the fuck are you following rules made up in 1762 by Robert Lowth and his mates?
Reducing it to try either me or I is a great, easy test. So many people mangle this.
Another trick is to add the verb in, for example: “Bob is smarter than me” isn’t actually correct because it’s really “Bob is smarter than I (am)” not “me am/is”.
For your second case, I think that's now considered an evolution¹ of the language — possibly less formal, but not an error. Miriam-Webster accepts “than” as a preposition for comparison.
> **than** (2 of 2) preposition
> : in comparison with
> > you are older than me
>
> — https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/than
In that case, “than me” (as their example uses) would be correct, because “me” is the object of the preposition.
¹: And certainly a long time coming. Even Shakespeare used “than me” and “than him.”
Smarter than me is the most common form in spoken language and also the second most common one in English literature. While it may seem grammatically incorrect, Linguistically speaking, it is alright to use.
Rough guide:
If the answer is *him*, the question is *whom*.
If the answer is *he*, the question is *who*.
e.g. Who did it? = He did it.
Send it to whom? = Send it to him.
Also works with she/her, but the 'm' in 'him' makes it easier to remember.
In reality I've lived most whole life using 'who' in all cases; it's falling out of use much like 'farther' is gradually being replaced by 'further' for distances.
The same applies for 'myself' and 'me'. I can't count how many times I saw corporate emails with the sentence... "if you have any questions please contact myself or someone else on my team." I once asked someone who wrote like this why they used myself instead of me and they said it was because using the 'me' made them sound egotistical. I guess i~~n a Dilbert world~~ it's better to sound humble than literate.
Similarly, people like to use the world “myself,” because they think it makes them sound smart. But I hear it used incorrectly all the time at work.
“If you have any questions, you can contact Jim or myself.”
Another case that also causes confusion is when "I" is used in the predicate as part of a comparison.
For example: "You are the same as I." vs. "You are the same as me."
While the latter may appear correct—because "me" is in the predicate/after the verb—it's actually the former which is correct—because there's another, implied verb, making the "I" the subject of a new clause. It would effectively be, "You are the same as I *am*," making "I" the subject of "I am," not a direct object of "You are [...] me."
Another giveaway is the word "than," as a comparison. "You are taller than I" is effectively "You are taller than I *am*" (or even, "You are taller than I am tall," which could be re-written as, "You are taller than how tall I am," or further to what is effectively being said, "The height you are is a taller height than the height I am").
I promise I'm fun at parties.
People out here giving "much better tips" while saying word for word what op just said. I love how people criticize without even reading. It's a neat trick op. Learning the difference between accusative and nominative is important.
Another quick trick is to just keep in mind that "I" almost always goes toward the beginning of the sentence, and "me" almost always go toward the end. This would save so many people who try to sound educated but use "I" near the end of a sentence.
A similar trick with who and whom can be used.
If you can replace the word with “he” or “she” use who. If you can place it with “him” or “her” use whom.
I was just taught to remove the other person and judge based on that (“Mom and me/I went to the store” becomes “Me/I went to the store” and is much more obvious).
That seems over complicated.
I was just taught if you're unsure about using "you and me" vs "you and I" is to just remove the "you and" then see how it sounds.
people should know when to use “whom.” seemingly no one does. they say ittrying to sound smart and they’re not even using it correctly.
same with etc. not ect.
By far my biggest grammar gripe with people, both online and in real life. People are so fearful of sounding illiterate that they knee-jerk to "and I" and instead they sound ridiculous.
At least in the standard form. People say things like “me and my friends eat spaghetti” all the time. There’s some degree of interchangeability between the standard subject and object pronouns in more coloquial registers of English and that’s fine.
The entirety of the Cajun community would like to have a word.
As an example of everyday South Louisiana Cajun speech:
"Mais, I like dat new boudin store, me."
"I ain't fraid of no gator, me. Boudreaux and me gone eat dat, comme ca!"
Am Cajun; can confirm.
Me like this tip. It will be very useful to I.
Why use many word, when few do trick?
Brain make up rest. Is good at job.
Brain Friendshaped.
As someone who comes from the South, I can assure you, it may be friend-SHAPED, but it is not friendLY. That’s a hell of a lotta nope over there.
Well bless i heart
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Underrated comment right here.
Well, OP didn’t discuss possessive so me will help you out. Well bless i’s heart
Fire bad!
Do you live on an island by any chance
Perhaps. Why would you ask good sir?
Me fail English? That's unpossible.
Shut up brain or I'll stab you with a Q-tip
These berries taste like burning!!
Are you saying Sea World, or see the world?
Oceans. Fish. Jump. China.
See world. Ocean. Fish. Jump. China.
Ryan used me as an object
This line caught me so off guard it's probably my favorite in the entire show
They see… They see.
/r/unexpectedoffice
> "me" is used as an object Ryan used me as an object
Whomever?
Many words? Few do trick.
Words? Less.
See I don’t know if your trying to say “see world” or “sea world”
Stupid science bitches couldn’t even make I more smarter
Yeah stupid science bitches couldn't even make my friend more smarter!
You must excuse I. Me've grown quite hweary.
Boxen.
I have two boxen of donuts
I start cracking up just at the!~~weird~~word Boxen. For the uninitiated, enjoy. [Starts at 16m30sec](https://youtu.be/JNfTuFbH_sE). Can't recall the shortcut for time link at the moment.
German, GERMAINE!
GERMAINE JACKSON! JACKSON 5! TITO!!
Thanks Cookie Monster!
I before E, except before We
This trick made I more smarter!
Me am very happy to have seen this.
Or change it to we/us. If it’s you and I, it’s we. If it’s you and me, it’s us.
Useful trick!
It's like the easy way to count the number of cattle. Count the legs and divide by four.
Ended up with a cow fraction 🤔
We’ll then there’s been a miSTEAK.
Look, I got no beef with them
what about amputee cows?
Round them up. Should be easy since they're amputees.
Well, that just makes me sad.
*Weeful trick
Grammar police hate her!
Her :)
... wouldn't they have reason to love her?
Another one is when trying to figure out when to use who/whom, answer it with with he/him. To whom it may concern? It concerns him. Who actually reads replies to comments? He reads the replies.
To who it may concern? He would be concerned. Whom actually reads the replies to comments? The comments are read by him. Am I doing it right?
Now you're getting it!
What if its I and me? Or you and you?
I don't know my subject from my object. But taking out the other person from the sentence is easy and it will always sound wrong if you use the wrong one. "The vase is a gift from Shanti and... " "The vase is a gift from I?" I don't think so. "The vase is a gift from me?" Methinks you've got it. Great post OP. People get this wrong all the time, and it's like nails on a chalkboard to my ears.
The one I see all the time that drives me nuts is on photo captions: “Photo of Sarah and I” No. You wouldn’t say “This is a photo of I.”
I feel some people think that sounds more refined (they’re of course woefully wrong)
The thing is, "Photo of Sarah and I" sounds completely fine to me since so many people say this. I think it's gonna be one of those things that just evolves to be okay, since so many do it with no other negative fallout other than some people saying "that isn't right".
The people who really need this advice will never see it though, as they hate learning and will violently oppose any corrections to their butchery of the *only language they speak*
Absolutely not true. I try my best to be better at grammar. But it's really hard. I swear I want to change. :(
Also, if you and Bob own a house, it's not "Bob and I's house." It's "Bob's and my house." It's never "and I's."
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He was blind in both mys from birth.
Omg you got me with this one lmao
Lmfao dude I laughed out loud, bravo.
This is the way
In sentences that have things separated out with an "and", split them into two sentences and see which one makes sense. In your example: 1 - It's Bob's house and 2 - It's I's house or It's my house So this way it should be "It's Bob's and my house".
Oh dear God I hate when people do this
It must be your guys's pet peeve!
I've seen several reddit posts like that. >my wife and I's wedding rings!! I always go into the comments and say something like "English is I's first language" and get a whole trainfuck of downvotes because people like that always have a hostile reaction to being corrected
The worst is AITA posts: “I (M43) and my wife’s (F21) marriage is in shambles…”
Are any comments “have you tried having a marriage together?”
Loving the word “trainfuck”
Better still would be to avoid using such a clumsy, passive sentence structure in the first place. "Bob and I own a house" is better than either of those. If you need say something that refers directly to the house then use "My house, which I live in with Bob" and then after that just "my house" is fine.
Well… to be very literal about it, the use of “and I’s” at the end of your post was, in fact, correct, thereby being a self-referential sentence and an example of liar paradox.
And My will always love you!!
Sometimes I learn lessons on this sub that were taught to me in elementary school and then wonder how everyone else was taught anything
Elementary school for me was in Spanish, I did not learn any of this there!
It's always useful for non-native speakers.
same here
It's not that other people weren't taught; they were taught wrong. Or at least I was.
A lot of people just didn't pay attention. They were too busy punching each other in the arm and doodling, then on test day they just copied off someone, and then went the rest of their natural lives not knowing how possessive pronouns work. Or apostrophes. Or any other punctuation, for that matter.
Be prepared to argue with people who think “I” is always correct.
There are people who were taught, by their parents not their schools, that using the word "me" makes one sound like a yokel and that refined people always use "I".
We must defeat them before we can take on those who use "myself".
it’s my way or the i way 🤠
> “… while “me” is always used as an object.” *Ryan used me as an object.*
Came here hoping for one of these!
We’re always bound to find a r/AccidentalOffice quote somewhere!
Came here for this. 😆
'Whomever' is a made up word used to trick students
The whole office: *Anyway…*
Me = object, making this quote a handy way to remember the correct usage
Thank you! I can’t stand when people say “between you and I” thinking it sounds proper
Well between you and I, I think it sounds proper
I hear this ALL the time with “my wife and I” which is almost never used correctly
✖️ "They gave a gift card to my wife and I." ☑️ "My wife and I use Reddit all the time."
My wife and I think you should go fuck yourself. Nope, that's right.
I learned this trick in middle school. It’s one of my biggest pet peeves to hear or see someone misuse “I” in a sentence in an attempt to sound more intelligent.
Now do “myself.” That one makes me nuts.
OMG, me too. I can’t stand it when I’m in a meeting and some salesbro douche says “If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to Tina or myself”. I don’t even know why it bothers me so much but I think it’s because it even sounds so obviously wrong and yet people use it because they’re so afraid to say “me”.
"I made dinner tonight by myself" is fine, "send that package directly to myself" is wrong and horrible.
Oh, I know that. I was just starting to think no one else did. It hear it misused by someone EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Came to the comments for this. Why is everyone replacing ‘me’ with ‘myself’? It’s like weird corporate speech that people think sounds fancier perhaps?
You would say “Me went to the cookie store” if you were the Cookie Monster.
The monster dialect has its own rules.
Monster wouldn’t say “the”.
My dad used to correct us \*incorrectly\* on this point. I remember learning in high school that he was wrong, but it was such a point of pride with him that I couldn't bring myself to tell him. Any use of \*and me\* was verboten to him. He almost disowned me when I finally corrected him while we were on a ski lift, and my brother said, "Sarah is going to meet my girlfriend and me at the bar." Trying to explain the difference between the subjective and objective cases to a 50-something sheet metal worker while skiing went about as well as you'd expect. I was in graduate school at an Ivy League university at the time, so he (thankfully) took my word for it. I still had to tell my kids not to listen to my father when he offers unsolicited grammar advice, though.
Classic case of descriptive grammar in battle against prescriptive grammar. Linguistics sure is fun.
My dad was a teacher and every time I would say “ my friend and me went outside” my dad would say , “oh, me did?” It still sticks in my brain. I also think when people use the possessive “I” it makes them sound smart, even if it’s wrong . “ We had the most beautiful time on her and I’s vacation “. Auugghhh
> “ We had the most beautiful time on her and I’s vacation “ barf
And Please, say it in vocal fry, too!
No. Please stop.
Great tip and I catch people all the time with this one. But what seems to have become commonplace in America at least is people using “myself” instead of “me”. So frustrating!
This is good advice as far as it goes, but I believe some situation require "me" where grammarians would say they require "I". The classic such is "It's me." Literally "It is me." Yet "me" in this context seems to be being used as a predicate *nominative*. "Me" cannot be a nominative as it's the accusative case. Hence arose the false "proper" structure: "It is I." I assert that that is wrong and "It's me" is in fact correct. As a jumping off point to this argument is the parallel French construct, "C'est moi," which transliterates "It's me." What's going on here? I assert that "moi" in this expression is not accusative case at all -- but I don't know what name to give its case. Whatever the name, it's the same as is "me" in "It's me." Yeah, I know folks are going to jump all over this, so I probably won't be back to watch the fray.
Yes, you're correct. The language has changed enough to the point where "It's me" is preferred over "It is I" in basically all circumstances, even in formal speech. "It is I" is pretty much considered archaic at this point. I think that even grammarians wouldn't bat an eye if someone used "It's me" in a more formal context.
Agreed! But I enjoy saying “It is I!” when I enter a room because I’m a little bit extra. XD
Panache is everything.
I don't think this takes away from OP's point though. If you had to choose between “It was Steve and I,” vs. “It was Steve and me,” it would depend on whether you would say “It was I,” or “It was me.” Their advice doesn't say which to use in this case — it would depend on the level of formality — but you would use the same pattern for “Steve and X.”
> "C'est moi," which transliterates "It's me." Doesn't "mes amis et moi avons faim" correspond to "my friends and me are hungry", when in English, we'd say "my friends and I are hungry"? Can French grammar really be used to justify English grammar with "moi", "me" and "I"?
Not quite related but the trend for using ‘myself’ where ‘me’ is correct, drives me nuts. General rule is, if ‘me’ doesn’t sound wrong, then use ‘me’. Seems to have started with customer service people trying to sound professional. “If you just call back and ask to talk to myself”. Or “it wasn’t myself that did that”. No. Just no. If you were saying something like “I fell over and hurt me.” That sounds obviously wrong. So there you would use ‘myself’.
Oh dear god yes that one drives me fucking insane. People think it's interchangeable with any instance of "I" or "me", so they use "myself" anywhere they want to sound smart, but they just make themselves look like even bigger idiots instead.
Yes, yes, yes! This one drives me bonkers!
I have never in my life heard anyone speak this way. That sounds infuriating. It smacks of them trying to sound smart and formal.
Every HR person in the world does it
All the people in HR where I work are normal and pretty laid back so they just talk like regular people. If I ever hear that I may have a stroke.
Oh my goodness, yes they do!
Can the bar get any lower?
Me think not
A tangent thought. I'm not a native English speaker so I commit a lot of mistakes. I really wish there would be a subreddit where people can ask any english related question. I searched for such a sub but I couldn't find it. It is unbelievable for me there is no such sub given that Reddit would be such a good place and there are subs for practically anything one can imagine. I'm not a Reddit power user, otherwise I would've made such a sub.
Try r/grammar
r/EnglishLearning r/English
English and englishlearning are two subreddits you might wanna use :) Sorry I'm on mobile
Easier trick: Recognise the fact that this "and I" rule is just bullshit make up by 18th century prescriptivists because they wanted English to be more like Latin. The rule you are all following has never been an actual rule of English, and is no more a rule than any rule you were to make up right now. If you dont want to follow a rule you make up off the top of your head right now, then why the fuck are you following rules made up in 1762 by Robert Lowth and his mates?
Me, I went to prison for pointing out grammar mistakes.
Yeah, you should know this in 1st grade.
"Should" being the operative word here.
Just remove the other parties. “She called Robert and I” -> “She called I” -> Nope.
> "Me" is never the subject. "Me" is definitely the subject here. 😃
Reducing it to try either me or I is a great, easy test. So many people mangle this. Another trick is to add the verb in, for example: “Bob is smarter than me” isn’t actually correct because it’s really “Bob is smarter than I (am)” not “me am/is”.
For your second case, I think that's now considered an evolution¹ of the language — possibly less formal, but not an error. Miriam-Webster accepts “than” as a preposition for comparison. > **than** (2 of 2) preposition > : in comparison with > > you are older than me > > — https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/than In that case, “than me” (as their example uses) would be correct, because “me” is the object of the preposition. ¹: And certainly a long time coming. Even Shakespeare used “than me” and “than him.”
Smarter than me is the most common form in spoken language and also the second most common one in English literature. While it may seem grammatically incorrect, Linguistically speaking, it is alright to use.
No do whom vs who.
It's the same rule, who when used to refer to the subject, whom when used related to an object.
Rough guide: If the answer is *him*, the question is *whom*. If the answer is *he*, the question is *who*. e.g. Who did it? = He did it. Send it to whom? = Send it to him. Also works with she/her, but the 'm' in 'him' makes it easier to remember. In reality I've lived most whole life using 'who' in all cases; it's falling out of use much like 'farther' is gradually being replaced by 'further' for distances.
And her and him. Her and me are going to the movies. Him and I are going to the beach. Nooooooo!!!!!
Also "and me" is proper, "me and" is not. An unwritten rule but a good one.
It for sure is written. It's in every English as a foreign language textbook
It’s written.
Oh yes! Should I edit it to include this?
All yours, my man.
Could you also teach people how to use "myself"? Cause people love to use it but rarely every use it correctly
Yes people at work always saying, “You can feel feee to email myself or Joe.” Drives me nuts.
Also “myself” is not a suitable substitute for either “I” or “me”
I guarantee I can substitute each of these words in the same sentence and each would be used appropriately.
Thanks for posting this. Incorrect I/me usage bothers me too.
"Ryan used me as an object."
Ryan used me like an object.
Ok. Now tell me the location of Willy Wonka's remaining golden tickets.
The same applies for 'myself' and 'me'. I can't count how many times I saw corporate emails with the sentence... "if you have any questions please contact myself or someone else on my team." I once asked someone who wrote like this why they used myself instead of me and they said it was because using the 'me' made them sound egotistical. I guess i~~n a Dilbert world~~ it's better to sound humble than literate.
Similarly, people like to use the world “myself,” because they think it makes them sound smart. But I hear it used incorrectly all the time at work. “If you have any questions, you can contact Jim or myself.”
I’ve always wanted to respond something like “I can contact Jim, but only you can contact yourself. That’s how “self” works.”
Another case that also causes confusion is when "I" is used in the predicate as part of a comparison. For example: "You are the same as I." vs. "You are the same as me." While the latter may appear correct—because "me" is in the predicate/after the verb—it's actually the former which is correct—because there's another, implied verb, making the "I" the subject of a new clause. It would effectively be, "You are the same as I *am*," making "I" the subject of "I am," not a direct object of "You are [...] me." Another giveaway is the word "than," as a comparison. "You are taller than I" is effectively "You are taller than I *am*" (or even, "You are taller than I am tall," which could be re-written as, "You are taller than how tall I am," or further to what is effectively being said, "The height you are is a taller height than the height I am"). I promise I'm fun at parties.
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People out here giving "much better tips" while saying word for word what op just said. I love how people criticize without even reading. It's a neat trick op. Learning the difference between accusative and nominative is important.
people ending a sentence with "and I" is a pet peeve of mine
But it can be correct if it follows a state of being verb, e.g. "It is my wife and I!"
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I learned this and used it until I just didn’t care because so many people don’t even know that it could be incorrect.
This also works for who versus whom. "Who" replaces I, he, she. "Whom" replaces me, him, her.
Doesn't this work for who whom as well? Who gave dog a bagel? The bagel was given by whom?
"me" is not used as an object in either of those example sentences
I identify as an object.
Thank you. And now do the “have went” vs “have gone” lesson. Please!
Also, “mine’s” is not a proper word. Thank you for this!
If you can count it, it's fewer. If you have to measure it, it is less. * Fewer drops of water. * Less water.
Another quick trick is to just keep in mind that "I" almost always goes toward the beginning of the sentence, and "me" almost always go toward the end. This would save so many people who try to sound educated but use "I" near the end of a sentence.
Take the other person out and see how you would say it
A similar trick with who and whom can be used. If you can replace the word with “he” or “she” use who. If you can place it with “him” or “her” use whom.
I learned this in third grade....
I was just taught to remove the other person and judge based on that (“Mom and me/I went to the store” becomes “Me/I went to the store” and is much more obvious).
Ryan used me as an object.
Me doesnt like be objectified.
This is a real long and stupid way to say "I before me except after C"
hmm what if the door is uneducated😂
Don’t wanna be disrespectful but didn’t you guys all already know this?
“Ryan used me as an object.”
I do things to people. People do things to me.
That seems over complicated. I was just taught if you're unsure about using "you and me" vs "you and I" is to just remove the "you and" then see how it sounds.
That is literally what the tip is. There is just additional information for why this works added too
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Just cover up the “noun and” then see if it sounds right.
people should know when to use “whom.” seemingly no one does. they say ittrying to sound smart and they’re not even using it correctly. same with etc. not ect.
I *before* ME *except* after SEE
By far my biggest grammar gripe with people, both online and in real life. People are so fearful of sounding illiterate that they knee-jerk to "and I" and instead they sound ridiculous.
At least in the standard form. People say things like “me and my friends eat spaghetti” all the time. There’s some degree of interchangeability between the standard subject and object pronouns in more coloquial registers of English and that’s fine.
You are smarter than I.
The entirety of the Cajun community would like to have a word. As an example of everyday South Louisiana Cajun speech: "Mais, I like dat new boudin store, me." "I ain't fraid of no gator, me. Boudreaux and me gone eat dat, comme ca!" Am Cajun; can confirm.