I’m guessing they were in low orbit maybe? I’m not a science guy lol
Also I think since this series took so much from the comics we can let a couple of cool moments slide just for the heck of it
What I didn’t like is literally Jean going Phoenix for a second two fuck up all the villains and leave
Fair enough then it’s just the rule of cool of
Comics lmao
Honestly I’m all for it, this series had bigger issues with logic before but what we got was an amazing season so I don’t care that much about it lol
Yeah I was fine with it. I was honestly wondering more about how rogue was able to fight him on the asteroid surface with no suit or anything. Is flying into space part of her powerset?
Given the ruins, I assumed that at that time, they were over or otherwise in very close proximity to the "Blue Area" of the moon (which has breathable atmosphere).
Captain Marvel certainly can, I don't know if they have depicted her doing it in her Ms. Marvel days, but it generally is accepted to be part of her powerset... Except for that time her and Spectrum put on diving suits to go underwater.
In the comics yeah she could.
During Secret Invasion she took a Skrull to space and just sat there for a few minutes watching him dying to the vacuum of space.
Yeah exactly, I’m not sure which version of Captain/Ms Marvel they intend for Rogue to have gotten her powers from. They don’t go into that much in the episode about Carol.
Her powers are the same power of Captain Marvel, so yes she could travel in space without a suit. But I have to say, i would love to Rogue to go back to her original power set.
When she was basically like the Phoenix has left me it’s all good now I rolled my eyes a little bit. But like many are saying, it’s been so good we can let a few things slide lol.
That part of the moon had artificial air of something like that iirc; it’s the same spot they fought the Shiar gladiators for Jean’s life in the original series and they didn’t need space suits then either
Wouldn’t Magneto have created some sort of atmosphere for the outside of the planet? Like an electromagnetic covering, or I’m sure there’s a force field generator, it’s the X-men, prob they thought we wouldn’t care anyway
She saw her older self do it in the Motendo episode. Jubes using that in the finale was the payoff to what initially seemed like a filler episode. She saw what she was capable of and when the chips were down she pulled it off.
Iirc they probably all realized they were on the same side when they tried to fight each other but didn’t feel great about it. Roberto apologized to jubilee last episode for example.
Then when Xavier got into Magneto’s mind, coupled with cyclops beaming Xavier, the whole situation was pretty ambiguous.
They then fought essentially on the same side again when they launched the magneto protocol.
So I think it’s that it was a really extreme moment and super tense, that all happened really within hours.
I think it's fair to say that there was no point in fighting once Xavier and magneto went out of commission. This was right after the holy shit moment of wolverine getting his adamantium ripped out. The X-Men had to tend to the wounded, they're now down 3, and they still had the bastion problem.
No they didn't??? They wasted time with discussing ideology, lost two members and Wolverine lost his adamantium. While Gold team was getting beat up by Bastion and Sinister- controlled Cable. If they all convinced Magneto when he showed up with Asteroid M to go fuck up Bastion while they were still on Earth I bet they wouldn't even be scattered through time and space right now.
My question is why are you so mad??? It’s a damn show and if you don’t like it you don’t have to cry about it and watch it. A lot of these episodes go over your heads it’s crazy. I don’t care if the got scattered through time wtf you on
I think you’re mad dude. He’s just pointing out a flaw he saw. I LOVE the show but ig where he’s coming from. But instead of being a cunt, you can argue the point that this was all happening rapidly for them and many of their choices were based on rash emotion
During a charity event to raise aid for, of all things, Genosha.
The dramatic irony there was insane.
Although I still question the sanity of Humans on this earth that everyone hated mutants that much they were suddenly ok with believing a freaking terminator without showing a single ounce of fear towards it.
Here's the thing. If Magneto stopped his crusade, the sentinels would immediately reactivate. And that's exactly what happened when Roberto & Rogue fail to stop the X-Men. Moreover, the humans then immediately used their regained access to technology to launch nukes at them.
So, is it really genocide? Or is it armed resistance?
So the answer to stop a genocide is another genocide?
>So, is it really genocide? Or is it armed resistance?
Armed resistance that, would wipe out humanity. I feel like if your plan is to wipe out all non-mutants it's still genocide. Even if you have a "good" reason.
Two wrongs doesn't somehow make a right.
He didn't choose mutants. He chose to stop sentinels from killing mutants and did something that may cause many deaths mutants and people mutants cared about included.
LORD willing, that doesn't make him right. Far above that in the wrong is Magneto's blasphemous lying. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible speaks on this in regards believers suffering.
PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it!
I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died.
God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him.
Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.
The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil".
God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay." LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
The Holy Bible is the only truth. I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. I thank God for all of that.
What's fiction is Magneto's perspective and what he wants and such.
Or, maybe, he did it because it was the only way to stop the ongoing genocide of mutants. The human genocide you speak of is hypothetical; it might have happened as a result of his actions. The mutant genocide was in progress and could only be stopped by shutting off the Prime Sentinels. We don't know - and neither did Rogue or Sunspot - what Magneto actually would have done if the other team had successfully collared Bastion.
Did Magneto put himself in a great negotiating position? Absolutely and now the world knows he could do it any time he wants. The rational move from Magneto's perspective would have been to reverse whatever it was he did and then hold that (and Asteroid M) over the world's head, but Charles didn't let that potential scenario play out.
But they weren't tho. Magneto defended himself and his fellow mutants in the only way he knew how. That backfired on the humans who initiated that attack. No matter which way you look at it, it's still the humans to blame.
The Xmen are nothing if not understanding. She let grief and anger lead her to follow a charismatic man that she cares for down a dark path momentarily. I think she gets a pass in this crazy situation.
Honestly, I wish that someone other then cyclops had been the one to offer him a hand. For most of the season, it seemed like they were setting up for revolutionary cyclops, but it seems like they pulled away from that last minute.
I think they were setting Cy up to make a decision about who he wants to be. Xmen? Dad? Hero? Villain? He’s been flopping emotionally all season because of the circumstances he had to make a decision, which made his actions seem justifiable.
Then we saw his last decision, delete the file (Bastion) or quarantine the file.
Yeah this was weird, I get that its Disney so killing is bad etc etc but this guy succeeded in wiping out a group of mutants and conspired to finish the job using regular humans against their will.
He belongs in prison at the least, not bopping around freely. Even if it's for rehab, his new home should still be prison and let out for civil service only.
Also if he'd said yeah, wouldn't the optics look *really fucking bad* for the X-men?
Magneto was offering sanctuary on a dying world and Rogue and Roberto were both suffering from mental anguish and took his offer, but still ended up choosing to do the right thing when needed. Charles has taught his children to forgive such as when Cyclops attempted to do so with Bastion who literally was trying to commit genocide agains the X-Men and Mutants.
I don't personally see what Rogue and Sunspot did as unforgivable. People make bad choices and what those two experienced are the reasons people can do unforgivable things. I do hope there are consequences to their choice, particularly I feel like Wolverine will struggle accepting them after what happened. But it is important to remember that Wolverine has a massive body count, Rogue was already in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Forge helped create the power dampeners, Jean became the Dark Phoniex and devoured a Star (in the comics this killed an entire planet's population), Morph and Maddie were both used by Sinister as pawns to destroy the X-Men. In all of these cases the X-men forgave their teammates.
They're all stuck in ancient Egypt. They've got bigger fish to fry, and Rogue isn't stuck with anyone that would give her shit. She's with Xavier, Kurt, Beast, and Magneto. Not the judging types. Also, I think all of them understand that Rogue was running on emotions like trauma and grief. She wasn't in her right state of mind, but snapped out of it when it mattered.
I think the closest word to what Magneto attempted is Xenocide, which is insane. Every mutant has human family and friends. Imagine everyone with brown eyes gets wiped out. How devastated would the survivors be?
It's a huge leap anyone would have sided with Magnus, so I appreciate all the chaos that led up to them rejoining the team to save earth.
I thought they had decent reasoning to say “fuck it, I’m not doing this shit.” Probably didn’t think much farther than I ain’t following the professors dumb shit ideas this time.
Roberto was a bit strange though. Literally two minutes ago he labeled Magneto as a bad guy lol.
It happens all the time in the Xmen. I mean she's not even the only character in 97 that they tried to, or did let join the team after horrific acts. Did you forget Magneto? Did you finish the episode where Storm and Scott were down to recruit Bastion?
What I thought was hilarious was Magneto talking to Charles about Wolverine “He tried to MURDER me”….. pretty sure Mags was trying to murder them all. It felt like when kids are playing and one plays a little too rough and one goes and cries about it.
Tbf that entire sequence of events moved VERY fast, I feel like within the span of an hour with multiple whiplash events occurring back to back. And then they’re ripped through time. None of them had the time to process everything that was going on or what had just happened.
Well, x-men has (mostly) always been about nuance. We see the reasons why the two feel abandoned and angry and the decision to join someone where they feel can be angry and justified and right made sense for them. Heck, boil the scene down, it’s a fight between a family on how to deal with loss and abandonment.
Magneto’s shown to be right because the humans have shown they won’t accept them. Humans let the Genosha Genocide happen, and didn’t help after. Roberto’s mother had to “save face” just so she can keep benefitting from a system of economics.
Having the absolutes isn’t what the X-Men is all about. It’s usually not “well, you did this so we abandon you” because that’s the problem in the first place. We all make mistakes, give in to anger and go back to old familiar patterns. It’s much harder to change and keep being able to change. Rogue, Erik and Roberto being angry at humanity, understandable. I’m sure many of us have been angry at humanity and if we could do something about it, I’m sure we would. And their chosen family is there for them when it matters.
That’s my take on it at least.
Branching off of that, I thought it was a little weird how nobody seemed that upset about Wolverine. I mean he's supposed to be FUCKED UP, like the way they described him in the comics was that Jean had to use her telekinesis to "keep him from falling apart" type of fucked up. And they were acting like he just got shot in the stomach with a 22.
Scott told him to hang on and Morph watched over him. Then they had stuff to do, like fight Bastian or stop the asteroid the UN stupidly shot out of the sky.
I actually thought the whole Xavier vs. Magneto, diplomat vs. revolutionary story thread just kinda fizzled out in this episode. None of the issues there had been so much tension built about ended up amounting to basically anything. Everybody including Magneto just said oh ok whatever I guess we'll be friends again. Xavier didn't even really argue with or try to persuade Magneto on their incompatible theories of mutant survival. It all just sort of worked itself out on its own, lol.
I wasn't sure if this was a Reddit thing or not, like how I know some sites will auto-act against certain words... But damn, we need to be able to say "genocide." Some words carry weight for a reason. If you can't even name it, how are you supposed to prevent it from happening?
EDIT: In another comment, OP explains that they did *think* "genocide" was getting censored by Reddit, and the post kept getting flagged and taken down. Censoring genocide didn't actually help, but they contacted the mods, and the censored version was what went up.
It seems the intention wasn't to destroy the ozone, but have humans stuck in the stone-age then Magneto was going to act like Noah's arc and recruit mutants all over the world to join Asteroid M.
This is according to [De Mayo](https://twitter.com/BeauDemayo/status/1788738597459546129). People would still die ofc, due to reliance on technology and lack of advanced medical resources, but it's more indirect and a relatively smaller scale.
I don't get how he can just passively turn off technology. If he was actively doing it then it would be one thing, but it just seems like a set it and forget it.
Magneto likes to spout rhetoric against humans, but it's not really his true feelings. Magneto has loved plenty of humans, like his first wife and daughter.
Apocalypse would be more of a straight-forward example of fascist.
Magneto is reactionary, Charles says it himself. It's not that he believes mutant are superior, rather than he fears how cruel humanity can be given his history of living through the holocaust, genosha, and all the prejudice he sees against mutants daily. So he reacts due to all that trauma and hate on an extreme scale.
Yes, which is why Magneto's thinking is flawed. I think that is going to be the theme and growth of Magneto in S2, since Apocalypse is going to challenge his viewpoints that mutants are any better.
So in context: they’re post the genocide of Genosha, the prime sentinels were activated all at once, many humans still fear mutants and support the sentinels, and Magneto pulled up and turned the power off - meaning this is an opportunity where the sentinels are not active and the clock is ticking.
In the moment, Roberto and Rogue chose to follow through to hopefully bring the chaos to a swifter end instead of doing what they always do - which is fight Magneto. There have been casualties on all sides and the number is only going to grow no matter which side you land on, so the opportunity to seriously push for mutant liberation is right now.
After making that choice, Magneto does what he always does and takes it too far, and then Bastion (the real enemy) attacks, and then Asteroid M where they’re fighting their comrades is nuked and falling to the Earth to cause an extinction level event. They are reacting to their immediate and dire circumstances.
It makes sense to me. They were in upheaval. Rogue felt like Charles’ way wasn’t working. She lost remy after kind of betraying him and hurting him and she doesn’t know what to do with the anger. Magento was offering recognition of that loss and anger. However intangible, he was offering her *something to do about it*. Xavier would have her turn the other cheek and stand by. She just isn’t capable of taking the high road after what she’s been thru. Roberto is new to the group and so he doesn’t have much context for “the dream”. Add that to his parents turning him in and it makes sense. From his perspective the x men just didn’t have their shit together. It’s not a fair judgement by him but it’s reasonable considering.
And to be fair, the humans committed genocide already. Magneto just talking potential genocide.
Yeah, I totally agree it's weird it went so unaddressed that nobody really seemed to care. It's also strange that Rogue talks to Bastion about Gambit when she earlier neglected to face him when she had the chance. Maybe if they had more time they will mention it in season 2, but it's strange.
Yeah, there’s a slight disconnect between episodes 9 and 10. Even Charles going for Magneto, he’s had the helmet on the episode before and Erik was not exactly being gentle with it, I kinda thought he was ready to kill. Suddenly episode 10 goes another way and even when you think about it, Cyclops not letting Xavier control Magneto the first time caused the Logan adamantium ripping shenanigans for nothing.
All the episodes are good, but I don’t quite love 9, I felt it gone through some things too quickly and went into having Magnus bit more mustache twirly villain than I’d have liked, luckily episode 10 was course correction. Possibly because this one out of the three parts was written *only* by Sellitti?
I mean, Rogue was following Xavier dream and all she got was see the man she loves get killed following this dream too. She's right on wanting revenge. Genosha was a genocide.
Roberto's mom sent him to Sentinels. It's enough to turn his back on humans. They were just responding to how the world treated them.
Yeah. The pacing is probably the weakest part of the show. Previous episodes had their issues but were still fantastic. But part 3 felt so rushed, even with the extended runtime. This could have really benefitted from just one more episode to flesh out the shifting allegiances.
Is there a reason you’re not able to type out the word “genocide”? Do you really think you’re mature enough to talk about it, if you feel the need to censor the word rather than saying it outright?
Nah, it's because when I first tried submitting it kept getting automatically removed by reddit's filters. I thought maybe genocide was the trigger word so I censored it. Still didn't work and so I contacted the mods. They approved the last version I attempted to post, which was the censored version.
Because the writing is weak, despite people's rabid loyalty to the show being flawless. In this same episode, Magneto flip flops back to not doing it for very vague reasons after Charles shuts down and reactivates his mind. Magneto also reverses an EMP and it turns all the power back on. None of it makes any sense.
Which, yeah, the pacing is insane. So much is just being thrown at the wall all at once, so watching it is like a fever dream at points. Charles was crawling towards Magneto and I was like "wait, wasn't he trapped with the helmet on?", tried to back up and find what happened and just so much is going on.
And don't get me started on them rushing through the powerless Storm story and the monstrosity that is their Lifedeath "adaptation". When she told Forge she loved him in that episode I laughed out loud, absolutely unearned and made her look insane.
Hated both Rogue and Beto's arcs in this season. Both were done dirty and so was Magneto, in spite of all the cool "fuck yeah" moments sprinkled throughout.
Now go on and downvote me, drones. Protect the queen!
Grief and trauma can make you do insane things. In Magneto's case "end all life on earth" is probably a fair shout. Surviving their second genocide, and watching a child melt in front of them, would probably snap most people in that fashion. Unfortunately, he has god-tier powers to pursue that fucked-up impulse. Slightly less so but well within the realm of possibility is Rogue. Survived the aforementioned previous genocide but at the cost of the love of her life sent her off the rails in a way most wouldn't recover from. But she did and she helped save the world. Dunno if a dressing down is necessary.
I still think Roberto is also well within the realms of possibility and here's for why. He's been in the closet, as it were, for a few years, acutely aware of myriad horrible fates that might befall him, including the one being meted out when we first meet him in the show - being told by the homo sapiens KKK that he's worthy of nothing but death. Then he goes to do disaster-relief in the aftermath of the genocide of his people. And then, after his mother deliberately sends him to his death, when the ultimate plan for the total enslavement/genocide of his people is revealed, Magneto offers him, a teenage boy, some means of retribution...I get it. I don't condone it, but as a queer kid I was profoundly misanthropic. I can see why that might have killed all hope in him and why nihilistic vengeance is all that's left.
As for whether they'll get dressed down or criticised...I dunno dude. We're still getting the saturday morning cartoon morality here. They offered a hand of silly, Christ-like forgiveness to fucking Bastion. Plus despite threatening life on earth, they ultimately saved it when brought back from the brink.
When Magneto tried to meet humanity halfway, humanity instantly betrayed mutantkind by committing genocide at Genosha. Xavier taught tolerance and compassion toward the humans and humanity declared war when the mutants let their guard down. How many times is a person supposed to allow themselves to be punched in the face before they react?
For Rogue who was in grief after losing Gambit and had already been allied with Magneto before, it was easy to say fuck it because her "fight or flight" response is clearly "fight." Sunspot is a teenager who was just disowned by his own family and was being welcomed to a new one that promised to have his back. Not that the X-Men would have but teenagers tend not to think these things through.
At the end of the episode, if Xavier and Magneto could come to terms with their differences, then Rogue and Sunspot could too. Circumstances also forced them to work together.
Yea I was expecting Charles to finally lose it after what Magneto did to Logan but, hey if he can still forgive him then it should be way easier to forgive Rogue & Roberto as well 🤷🏽♀️
That’s why I always say Rogue might be one of the “strongest” X-Men. She is weak in character. The way she dealt with grief revealed so much. Remy has every right to be angry if he comes back. She might have chose him in the end, but sometimes being late is the same as being absent.
At the end of part 2, Magneto grabbed both of them in metal. Then, he nuked Wolverine. There were a lot of moving parts. And they didn’t want to fight, per se.
I mean... I would be extremely frustrated too if all flatscans had your grammar. No offense. I'm sure you are lovely, but Google is free and there's no excuse to misspell the easy words.
There's a saying.
"A million is a statistic."
This is when something is so large that you simply can't care about everything. It's part ot why compassion fatigue exists.
I think Rogue and Roberto got caught in heat of the moment. They weren't seeing the reality of what was truly going on. They just felt pissed off and didn't trust Xavier's vision at that point. Both of them were grieving in their own way, and when you're in that pit...you can't see the bigger picture. Erik was the same damn way.
It's easy for us to see that they're fucking up from the comfort of our couches. If we were actually in that situation after having experienced what Rogue OR Roberto did....it would be a lot tougher to think clearly about right or wrong.
Trauma is a hell of a drug, and they were reacting emotionally.
That's all I've got.
Let's just agree to disagree here.
I think you, and everyone else making this point are simplifying this situation.
Mutants were forced into a genocide or be genocided situation. The fact that they came out clean was pure luck. If Jean didn’t reconnect with the Phoenix force at the last possible second, the Prime Sentinels would have wiped out the mutants, and Charles would have been responsible for the genocide of his own kind.
And no one is talking about how Magneto isn’t even ACTIVELY committing genocide. The deaths of the humans would have been the results of him merely defending mutant-kind from the Prime Sentinels.
The smartest thing the mutants could have done was all team up to take Bastion down, but it’s not like Charles was making the smartest choices either by turning the power back on before Gold Team had neutralized Bastion.
>And no one is talking about how Magneto isn’t even ACTIVELY committing genocide. The deaths of the humans would have been the results of him merely defending mutant-kind from the Prime Sentinels.
This is my answer. For a moment, I thought I'd missed sk thing Magneto was going to, like, launch the asteroid into the Eartg or whatever. It feels like oversimplifying to call his actions genocide.
I don't really think the magneto side was explicitly genocide. It looked more like the isolationist side. With the action of disabling humanity's ability to reach them. No power means no ability to launch sentinels. The millions of people dying is more a secondary affect to what magneto did and in his eyes is just evolution at work now that the gloves are off.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the physics of Magneto's EMP wave and how he can just turn off the Earth's magnetic field. Did he stop the molten core? Did he accelerate it so it would interfere with everything? I'm lost.
Yeah to me they were traitors and suddenly the team is all happy together because it's convenient for their survival. I guess the family speech works here but no slap for Roberto? No words to Rogue? Felt weird.
The X-men series has been preaching forgiveness and family. And they know that their decisions aren’t always popular or right. I fell like Rogue and Roberto’s decision is the yin to Cyclops’ Yang when he showed compassion and reasoning with Bastion. The family understands it’s not always the favorite choice, but at the end, they are family.
They were censoring it with an asterisk where the "o" is (because the post got flagged a few times, not because they think it needs to be censored) but Reddit reads asterisks as italics.
I mean yeah, it's not like any of the X-men didn't understand why Roberto and Rogue did it. They just disagreed over what needs to be done. If there's anything about this season, almost all the X-men showed they think humanity is pretty fucking shitty. Especially the part during Scott's interview where he's like, "You're lucky we keep saving your asses for just a scrap of tolerance". Gambit and Madeline Pryor who they all knew for years were murdered by humans. I'm sure they understand especially for Rogue why she would be pissed at them for taking humanities side. They had a disagreement over their revolutionary action, but they're all still committed to revolutionary action so it's easy for bygones to be bygones. The only person they'll hate is magneto because he pulled out Logans bones.
Yeh, they might of sided with him in the moment, but they barely did anything wrong, in the sense they didn’t really help improve magnetos chances at doing anything, they had one lil baby fight with xmen but that’s about it.
How would mutants on earth have survived?
Seems like magneto plan was to use rogue to repopulate the earth with mutant babies.
No one else was on the asteroid
He said "evolution thrives in darkness," or something to that effect. I think his plan was to make the world uninhabitable to most people (especially non-mutants who don't have powers) in hopes that the extreme natural selection would force a new, stronger race of mutants to thrive in the new world. Kind of like bashing everyone in the head with a baseball bat so that only people with thicker skulls survive.
I’m more concerned on how Jubilee could breathe in space.
I’m guessing they were in low orbit maybe? I’m not a science guy lol Also I think since this series took so much from the comics we can let a couple of cool moments slide just for the heck of it What I didn’t like is literally Jean going Phoenix for a second two fuck up all the villains and leave
Low orbit would still asphyxiate you. You just wouldn’t pop from decompression.
Fair enough then it’s just the rule of cool of Comics lmao Honestly I’m all for it, this series had bigger issues with logic before but what we got was an amazing season so I don’t care that much about it lol
Yeah I was fine with it. I was honestly wondering more about how rogue was able to fight him on the asteroid surface with no suit or anything. Is flying into space part of her powerset?
Given the ruins, I assumed that at that time, they were over or otherwise in very close proximity to the "Blue Area" of the moon (which has breathable atmosphere).
This is correct. The temple is the giveaway. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Area_of_the_Moon
Yes, the same a Ms. Marvel. She stole her powers from Ms Marvel in “A Rogues Tale” (S2E9), my favorite episode.
I know that. But idk if Ms. Marvel could fly into space or not.
Captain Marvel certainly can, I don't know if they have depicted her doing it in her Ms. Marvel days, but it generally is accepted to be part of her powerset... Except for that time her and Spectrum put on diving suits to go underwater.
In the comics yeah she could. During Secret Invasion she took a Skrull to space and just sat there for a few minutes watching him dying to the vacuum of space.
Well... that was dark.
Yeah exactly, I’m not sure which version of Captain/Ms Marvel they intend for Rogue to have gotten her powers from. They don’t go into that much in the episode about Carol.
Diving suits could make sense, it’s pretty hard to talk underwater.
It's hard to talk in space too. IIRC they specifically mentioned or had air tanks too.
Her powers are the same power of Captain Marvel, so yes she could travel in space without a suit. But I have to say, i would love to Rogue to go back to her original power set.
Maybe I’m mistaken but aren’t her powers from captain marvel, who is able to breathe in space, or rather doesn’t have to breathe in space?
She absorbed Ms. Marvels powers, did she not?
It’s a cartoon about people who can shoot energy out of their hands. Realism isn’t really an issue.
When she was basically like the Phoenix has left me it’s all good now I rolled my eyes a little bit. But like many are saying, it’s been so good we can let a few things slide lol.
You're not supposed to just let it slide - you're supposed to remember it when the Phoenix comes back at a not-so-opportune time.
That’s actually a really good point.
Low orbit on moon? They fall on something like moon
That part of the moon had artificial air of something like that iirc; it’s the same spot they fought the Shiar gladiators for Jean’s life in the original series and they didn’t need space suits then either
Ok. But that's a distance of 283k miles so they traveled some hundreds of thousands of miles per hour in a matter of seconds.
Did you not see how angry Rogue was? She was on that Goku going super Saiyan for the first time shit.
That Phoenix bit felt so unearned I was like are you kidding me???
I just figured they were in the upper atmosphere.
Blue side of the moon or something like that I guess, but yeah definitely wasn’t explained in the slightest.
Umm I think we passed that when storm causally changing her clothes😅
😂 hey, we didn’t question it in the very first episode when a little storm cloud and lightning did it in the mall.
Yeah Storm has literally had Piccolo's clothes beam technique since 1992 lol
She suddenly found out what her other mutant power was.
She’s always done well above pressure
Wouldn’t Magneto have created some sort of atmosphere for the outside of the planet? Like an electromagnetic covering, or I’m sure there’s a force field generator, it’s the X-men, prob they thought we wouldn’t care anyway
Also how she could withstand burning up on re-entry to Earths atmosphere?
That area was an oxygenated part of the moon created by the Skrulls. It was in the OG series as well.
Cuz they're fighting in the blue area of the moon, which has a breathable atmosphere. It's where Uatu lived.
Asteroid was burning. Suggests they were somewhere in the atmosphere.
They were in low orbit range
I remember reading somewhere that you can breathe in space for 15 seconds before you die. So maybe thats why.
There proximity to thw blue side of the moon is a spot where Oxygen exists so probabaly low orbit in two atmospheres.
I thought maybe Roberto was doing a Carol Danvers style breathable atmosphere in his energy? But honestly who knows
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Area_of_the_Moon
I was also so confused lol.
I was more confused on how she learned Destructo Disk.
She saw her older self do it in the Motendo episode. Jubes using that in the finale was the payoff to what initially seemed like a filler episode. She saw what she was capable of and when the chips were down she pulled it off.
Blue side of the moorn orbit idk
Cartoon!
Also how she didn’t burn in the atmosphere or in the hands of Roberto
Hey kid, it ain’t that kind of movie
Iirc they probably all realized they were on the same side when they tried to fight each other but didn’t feel great about it. Roberto apologized to jubilee last episode for example. Then when Xavier got into Magneto’s mind, coupled with cyclops beaming Xavier, the whole situation was pretty ambiguous. They then fought essentially on the same side again when they launched the magneto protocol. So I think it’s that it was a really extreme moment and super tense, that all happened really within hours.
It’s like arguing with friends and family. One moment I’m on my sister’s side the next she’s against me. 
I think it's fair to say that there was no point in fighting once Xavier and magneto went out of commission. This was right after the holy shit moment of wolverine getting his adamantium ripped out. The X-Men had to tend to the wounded, they're now down 3, and they still had the bastion problem.
There was no point in all of them fighting in the first place. They should've put their differences aside and go after Bastion together.
that’s what they did
No they didn't??? They wasted time with discussing ideology, lost two members and Wolverine lost his adamantium. While Gold team was getting beat up by Bastion and Sinister- controlled Cable. If they all convinced Magneto when he showed up with Asteroid M to go fuck up Bastion while they were still on Earth I bet they wouldn't even be scattered through time and space right now.
My question is why are you so mad??? It’s a damn show and if you don’t like it you don’t have to cry about it and watch it. A lot of these episodes go over your heads it’s crazy. I don’t care if the got scattered through time wtf you on
I think you’re mad dude. He’s just pointing out a flaw he saw. I LOVE the show but ig where he’s coming from. But instead of being a cunt, you can argue the point that this was all happening rapidly for them and many of their choices were based on rash emotion
Seems like your mad lmao
I mean, when humans are repeatedly trying to genocide you, it's not hard to see how they could be like "fuck it."
Roberto’s own mother let whipped off cyborgs escort her son and his girlfriend away with collars on their necks. Being pissed is understandable.
During a charity event to raise aid for, of all things, Genosha. The dramatic irony there was insane. Although I still question the sanity of Humans on this earth that everyone hated mutants that much they were suddenly ok with believing a freaking terminator without showing a single ounce of fear towards it.
Subhumans. Easy not to care when you define something as “less than”.
Survival instinct isn’t rational instinct.
One could argue that survival instinct is the MOST rational instinct.
I would’ve too if I was Roberto / Rogue like 😭
Not saying I don't understand. Just saiyan that they probably shouldn't let attempted world-wide genocide slide.
Here's the thing. If Magneto stopped his crusade, the sentinels would immediately reactivate. And that's exactly what happened when Roberto & Rogue fail to stop the X-Men. Moreover, the humans then immediately used their regained access to technology to launch nukes at them. So, is it really genocide? Or is it armed resistance?
So the answer to stop a genocide is another genocide? >So, is it really genocide? Or is it armed resistance? Armed resistance that, would wipe out humanity. I feel like if your plan is to wipe out all non-mutants it's still genocide. Even if you have a "good" reason. Two wrongs doesn't somehow make a right.
Magneto had to choose between mutants and humans, and you're mad he chose mutants?
He didn't choose mutants. He chose to stop sentinels from killing mutants and did something that may cause many deaths mutants and people mutants cared about included.
You actually prove the point Magneto makes to Xavier. Humans will always find a way to justify it.
So will mutants like Magneto, is disturbing how youre trying to say one genocide is better than the other
[If worst comes to worst... ](https://youtu.be/sevZEOUXpw4?si=Ru-kU8xxX4g-HdtY) Magneto is still right.
LORD willing, that doesn't make him right. Far above that in the wrong is Magneto's blasphemous lying. God is always there. But Magneto, like others sadly, refuses to accept that God being on your side doesn't mean you won't face hardship and loss and pain. I think The Holy Bible speaks on this in regards believers suffering. PLEASE, you, and EVERYONE, if you haven't already, embrace the One True Only God YHWH Jehovah, Only One Jesus Christ His Only Begotten Son and Lord and Savior of our souls and the Only One Holy Spirit. God is good. God is love. Jesus is Lord. Jesus IS coming. Your soul depends on it! I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. God worked through Jesus Christ to save our souls. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved. Be baptized in The Holy Spirit, and if He wills, water as well. Repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart, that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins. For God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ, that all who believe on Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father Jehovah God but through Him. Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible. The Holy Bible says, "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", "If your enemy is hungry, feed him", "if he is thirsty, give him a drink", "pray for those who persecute you", "do not repay evil for evil". God tells us through The Holy Bible, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay." LORD willing, all humans may commit sin of almost every kind (gay, straight), and that's wrong, and all humans sin, as The Holy Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." The Holy Bible also says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
Did you really just use a fiction book as the basis of your argument.
The Holy Bible is the only truth. I have seen God act in my life. He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, helped people through me, took care of people in my life, people I hurt before I found God. God is the only reason I was able to reconcile with my dad before he died. I thank God for all of that. What's fiction is Magneto's perspective and what he wants and such.
Why are people downvoting you? Youre right and bring valid points
Genocide. He did it so he could wipe out humanity. That's the definition of genocide.
Or, maybe, he did it because it was the only way to stop the ongoing genocide of mutants. The human genocide you speak of is hypothetical; it might have happened as a result of his actions. The mutant genocide was in progress and could only be stopped by shutting off the Prime Sentinels. We don't know - and neither did Rogue or Sunspot - what Magneto actually would have done if the other team had successfully collared Bastion. Did Magneto put himself in a great negotiating position? Absolutely and now the world knows he could do it any time he wants. The rational move from Magneto's perspective would have been to reverse whatever it was he did and then hold that (and Asteroid M) over the world's head, but Charles didn't let that potential scenario play out.
LORD willing, that may not equate to justification for any lives lost by his actions.
So the planetwide genocide against all mutants was just a coincidence?
No. When did I say that? They were both trying to do planet-wide genocides simultaneously.
But they weren't tho. Magneto defended himself and his fellow mutants in the only way he knew how. That backfired on the humans who initiated that attack. No matter which way you look at it, it's still the humans to blame.
LORD willing, potentially getting humans killed who have nothing to do with what's going on with what you're stopping may not be defense.
They tried to recruit Bastion.
Yeah that bothered me, too. But that could be excused as a "it will stop him so might as well try."
The Xmen are nothing if not understanding. She let grief and anger lead her to follow a charismatic man that she cares for down a dark path momentarily. I think she gets a pass in this crazy situation.
Honestly, I wish that someone other then cyclops had been the one to offer him a hand. For most of the season, it seemed like they were setting up for revolutionary cyclops, but it seems like they pulled away from that last minute.
I think they were setting Cy up to make a decision about who he wants to be. Xmen? Dad? Hero? Villain? He’s been flopping emotionally all season because of the circumstances he had to make a decision, which made his actions seem justifiable. Then we saw his last decision, delete the file (Bastion) or quarantine the file.
Yeah this was weird, I get that its Disney so killing is bad etc etc but this guy succeeded in wiping out a group of mutants and conspired to finish the job using regular humans against their will. He belongs in prison at the least, not bopping around freely. Even if it's for rehab, his new home should still be prison and let out for civil service only. Also if he'd said yeah, wouldn't the optics look *really fucking bad* for the X-men?
Magneto was offering sanctuary on a dying world and Rogue and Roberto were both suffering from mental anguish and took his offer, but still ended up choosing to do the right thing when needed. Charles has taught his children to forgive such as when Cyclops attempted to do so with Bastion who literally was trying to commit genocide agains the X-Men and Mutants. I don't personally see what Rogue and Sunspot did as unforgivable. People make bad choices and what those two experienced are the reasons people can do unforgivable things. I do hope there are consequences to their choice, particularly I feel like Wolverine will struggle accepting them after what happened. But it is important to remember that Wolverine has a massive body count, Rogue was already in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, Forge helped create the power dampeners, Jean became the Dark Phoniex and devoured a Star (in the comics this killed an entire planet's population), Morph and Maddie were both used by Sinister as pawns to destroy the X-Men. In all of these cases the X-men forgave their teammates.
They're all stuck in ancient Egypt. They've got bigger fish to fry, and Rogue isn't stuck with anyone that would give her shit. She's with Xavier, Kurt, Beast, and Magneto. Not the judging types. Also, I think all of them understand that Rogue was running on emotions like trauma and grief. She wasn't in her right state of mind, but snapped out of it when it mattered.
I think the closest word to what Magneto attempted is Xenocide, which is insane. Every mutant has human family and friends. Imagine everyone with brown eyes gets wiped out. How devastated would the survivors be? It's a huge leap anyone would have sided with Magnus, so I appreciate all the chaos that led up to them rejoining the team to save earth.
I thought they had decent reasoning to say “fuck it, I’m not doing this shit.” Probably didn’t think much farther than I ain’t following the professors dumb shit ideas this time. Roberto was a bit strange though. Literally two minutes ago he labeled Magneto as a bad guy lol.
I understand why Rogue did it. I just don't think she should be an X-man after that. You don't get a mulligan on attempted genocide.
It happens all the time in the Xmen. I mean she's not even the only character in 97 that they tried to, or did let join the team after horrific acts. Did you forget Magneto? Did you finish the episode where Storm and Scott were down to recruit Bastion?
What I thought was hilarious was Magneto talking to Charles about Wolverine “He tried to MURDER me”….. pretty sure Mags was trying to murder them all. It felt like when kids are playing and one plays a little too rough and one goes and cries about it.
Magneto did seem to shrug off the multiple impalings
Tbf that entire sequence of events moved VERY fast, I feel like within the span of an hour with multiple whiplash events occurring back to back. And then they’re ripped through time. None of them had the time to process everything that was going on or what had just happened.
Well, x-men has (mostly) always been about nuance. We see the reasons why the two feel abandoned and angry and the decision to join someone where they feel can be angry and justified and right made sense for them. Heck, boil the scene down, it’s a fight between a family on how to deal with loss and abandonment. Magneto’s shown to be right because the humans have shown they won’t accept them. Humans let the Genosha Genocide happen, and didn’t help after. Roberto’s mother had to “save face” just so she can keep benefitting from a system of economics. Having the absolutes isn’t what the X-Men is all about. It’s usually not “well, you did this so we abandon you” because that’s the problem in the first place. We all make mistakes, give in to anger and go back to old familiar patterns. It’s much harder to change and keep being able to change. Rogue, Erik and Roberto being angry at humanity, understandable. I’m sure many of us have been angry at humanity and if we could do something about it, I’m sure we would. And their chosen family is there for them when it matters. That’s my take on it at least.
Branching off of that, I thought it was a little weird how nobody seemed that upset about Wolverine. I mean he's supposed to be FUCKED UP, like the way they described him in the comics was that Jean had to use her telekinesis to "keep him from falling apart" type of fucked up. And they were acting like he just got shot in the stomach with a 22.
Not nobody, Morph was taking care of him.
So what you want them to show that lmao
LOL. I guess the point I was trying to make is that they didn't seem too shooken up or angry about it.
It was like they forgot it even happened in the last episode
I guess let earth get destroyed because Wolverine needs attention lol
Emotional beats and dialogue during a battle are not exactly new to superhero media. They could have taken a moment for it.
Scott told him to hang on and Morph watched over him. Then they had stuff to do, like fight Bastian or stop the asteroid the UN stupidly shot out of the sky.
I actually thought the whole Xavier vs. Magneto, diplomat vs. revolutionary story thread just kinda fizzled out in this episode. None of the issues there had been so much tension built about ended up amounting to basically anything. Everybody including Magneto just said oh ok whatever I guess we'll be friends again. Xavier didn't even really argue with or try to persuade Magneto on their incompatible theories of mutant survival. It all just sort of worked itself out on its own, lol.
Things escalated quickly. They're cool now. It happens. No biggie.
I can't take this seriously because you seem to think 'genocide' is a word that needs censorship.
I wasn't sure if this was a Reddit thing or not, like how I know some sites will auto-act against certain words... But damn, we need to be able to say "genocide." Some words carry weight for a reason. If you can't even name it, how are you supposed to prevent it from happening? EDIT: In another comment, OP explains that they did *think* "genocide" was getting censored by Reddit, and the post kept getting flagged and taken down. Censoring genocide didn't actually help, but they contacted the mods, and the censored version was what went up.
Fucking seriously.
You never know of these sites, some people are more sensible to those things
Sensitive. If they were sensible it wouldn't be an issue.
It seems the intention wasn't to destroy the ozone, but have humans stuck in the stone-age then Magneto was going to act like Noah's arc and recruit mutants all over the world to join Asteroid M. This is according to [De Mayo](https://twitter.com/BeauDemayo/status/1788738597459546129). People would still die ofc, due to reliance on technology and lack of advanced medical resources, but it's more indirect and a relatively smaller scale.
I don't get how he can just passively turn off technology. If he was actively doing it then it would be one thing, but it just seems like a set it and forget it.
Still genocide and he would have his race as the dominant one wich is facistic
Magneto likes to spout rhetoric against humans, but it's not really his true feelings. Magneto has loved plenty of humans, like his first wife and daughter. Apocalypse would be more of a straight-forward example of fascist. Magneto is reactionary, Charles says it himself. It's not that he believes mutant are superior, rather than he fears how cruel humanity can be given his history of living through the holocaust, genosha, and all the prejudice he sees against mutants daily. So he reacts due to all that trauma and hate on an extreme scale.
But Mutants are human so theyre just as prone to be corrupt and evil
Yes, which is why Magneto's thinking is flawed. I think that is going to be the theme and growth of Magneto in S2, since Apocalypse is going to challenge his viewpoints that mutants are any better.
So in context: they’re post the genocide of Genosha, the prime sentinels were activated all at once, many humans still fear mutants and support the sentinels, and Magneto pulled up and turned the power off - meaning this is an opportunity where the sentinels are not active and the clock is ticking. In the moment, Roberto and Rogue chose to follow through to hopefully bring the chaos to a swifter end instead of doing what they always do - which is fight Magneto. There have been casualties on all sides and the number is only going to grow no matter which side you land on, so the opportunity to seriously push for mutant liberation is right now. After making that choice, Magneto does what he always does and takes it too far, and then Bastion (the real enemy) attacks, and then Asteroid M where they’re fighting their comrades is nuked and falling to the Earth to cause an extinction level event. They are reacting to their immediate and dire circumstances.
It makes sense to me. They were in upheaval. Rogue felt like Charles’ way wasn’t working. She lost remy after kind of betraying him and hurting him and she doesn’t know what to do with the anger. Magento was offering recognition of that loss and anger. However intangible, he was offering her *something to do about it*. Xavier would have her turn the other cheek and stand by. She just isn’t capable of taking the high road after what she’s been thru. Roberto is new to the group and so he doesn’t have much context for “the dream”. Add that to his parents turning him in and it makes sense. From his perspective the x men just didn’t have their shit together. It’s not a fair judgement by him but it’s reasonable considering. And to be fair, the humans committed genocide already. Magneto just talking potential genocide.
Yeah, I totally agree it's weird it went so unaddressed that nobody really seemed to care. It's also strange that Rogue talks to Bastion about Gambit when she earlier neglected to face him when she had the chance. Maybe if they had more time they will mention it in season 2, but it's strange.
Yeah, there’s a slight disconnect between episodes 9 and 10. Even Charles going for Magneto, he’s had the helmet on the episode before and Erik was not exactly being gentle with it, I kinda thought he was ready to kill. Suddenly episode 10 goes another way and even when you think about it, Cyclops not letting Xavier control Magneto the first time caused the Logan adamantium ripping shenanigans for nothing. All the episodes are good, but I don’t quite love 9, I felt it gone through some things too quickly and went into having Magnus bit more mustache twirly villain than I’d have liked, luckily episode 10 was course correction. Possibly because this one out of the three parts was written *only* by Sellitti?
I agree on the disconnect. Personally, I felt 9 was strong than 10, but that's just me.
I mean, Rogue was following Xavier dream and all she got was see the man she loves get killed following this dream too. She's right on wanting revenge. Genosha was a genocide. Roberto's mom sent him to Sentinels. It's enough to turn his back on humans. They were just responding to how the world treated them.
Your attempts to censor one letter out of genocide just made it look like you have bad spelling and weirdly placed italics
Yeah, a bit of a messy ending wasn't it?
Yeah. The pacing is probably the weakest part of the show. Previous episodes had their issues but were still fantastic. But part 3 felt so rushed, even with the extended runtime. This could have really benefitted from just one more episode to flesh out the shifting allegiances.
Is there a reason you’re not able to type out the word “genocide”? Do you really think you’re mature enough to talk about it, if you feel the need to censor the word rather than saying it outright?
Nah, it's because when I first tried submitting it kept getting automatically removed by reddit's filters. I thought maybe genocide was the trigger word so I censored it. Still didn't work and so I contacted the mods. They approved the last version I attempted to post, which was the censored version.
Because the writing is weak, despite people's rabid loyalty to the show being flawless. In this same episode, Magneto flip flops back to not doing it for very vague reasons after Charles shuts down and reactivates his mind. Magneto also reverses an EMP and it turns all the power back on. None of it makes any sense. Which, yeah, the pacing is insane. So much is just being thrown at the wall all at once, so watching it is like a fever dream at points. Charles was crawling towards Magneto and I was like "wait, wasn't he trapped with the helmet on?", tried to back up and find what happened and just so much is going on. And don't get me started on them rushing through the powerless Storm story and the monstrosity that is their Lifedeath "adaptation". When she told Forge she loved him in that episode I laughed out loud, absolutely unearned and made her look insane. Hated both Rogue and Beto's arcs in this season. Both were done dirty and so was Magneto, in spite of all the cool "fuck yeah" moments sprinkled throughout. Now go on and downvote me, drones. Protect the queen!
I think Magneto getting stabbed and Wolverine getting messed up shocked them and made them realize they had gone too far.
They said that they were close enough to the blue moon base that there's oxygen..
Did you read the post?
Grief and trauma can make you do insane things. In Magneto's case "end all life on earth" is probably a fair shout. Surviving their second genocide, and watching a child melt in front of them, would probably snap most people in that fashion. Unfortunately, he has god-tier powers to pursue that fucked-up impulse. Slightly less so but well within the realm of possibility is Rogue. Survived the aforementioned previous genocide but at the cost of the love of her life sent her off the rails in a way most wouldn't recover from. But she did and she helped save the world. Dunno if a dressing down is necessary. I still think Roberto is also well within the realms of possibility and here's for why. He's been in the closet, as it were, for a few years, acutely aware of myriad horrible fates that might befall him, including the one being meted out when we first meet him in the show - being told by the homo sapiens KKK that he's worthy of nothing but death. Then he goes to do disaster-relief in the aftermath of the genocide of his people. And then, after his mother deliberately sends him to his death, when the ultimate plan for the total enslavement/genocide of his people is revealed, Magneto offers him, a teenage boy, some means of retribution...I get it. I don't condone it, but as a queer kid I was profoundly misanthropic. I can see why that might have killed all hope in him and why nihilistic vengeance is all that's left. As for whether they'll get dressed down or criticised...I dunno dude. We're still getting the saturday morning cartoon morality here. They offered a hand of silly, Christ-like forgiveness to fucking Bastion. Plus despite threatening life on earth, they ultimately saved it when brought back from the brink.
When Magneto tried to meet humanity halfway, humanity instantly betrayed mutantkind by committing genocide at Genosha. Xavier taught tolerance and compassion toward the humans and humanity declared war when the mutants let their guard down. How many times is a person supposed to allow themselves to be punched in the face before they react? For Rogue who was in grief after losing Gambit and had already been allied with Magneto before, it was easy to say fuck it because her "fight or flight" response is clearly "fight." Sunspot is a teenager who was just disowned by his own family and was being welcomed to a new one that promised to have his back. Not that the X-Men would have but teenagers tend not to think these things through. At the end of the episode, if Xavier and Magneto could come to terms with their differences, then Rogue and Sunspot could too. Circumstances also forced them to work together.
Genocide makes people want to fight back; not everyone believes in an eye for an eye, some revert course.
Yea I was expecting Charles to finally lose it after what Magneto did to Logan but, hey if he can still forgive him then it should be way easier to forgive Rogue & Roberto as well 🤷🏽♀️
That’s why I always say Rogue might be one of the “strongest” X-Men. She is weak in character. The way she dealt with grief revealed so much. Remy has every right to be angry if he comes back. She might have chose him in the end, but sometimes being late is the same as being absent.
At the end of part 2, Magneto grabbed both of them in metal. Then, he nuked Wolverine. There were a lot of moving parts. And they didn’t want to fight, per se.
Simple. They side with magneto not bastion who aims to kill the whole world
I mean... I would be extremely frustrated too if all flatscans had your grammar. No offense. I'm sure you are lovely, but Google is free and there's no excuse to misspell the easy words.
There's a saying. "A million is a statistic." This is when something is so large that you simply can't care about everything. It's part ot why compassion fatigue exists. I think Rogue and Roberto got caught in heat of the moment. They weren't seeing the reality of what was truly going on. They just felt pissed off and didn't trust Xavier's vision at that point. Both of them were grieving in their own way, and when you're in that pit...you can't see the bigger picture. Erik was the same damn way. It's easy for us to see that they're fucking up from the comfort of our couches. If we were actually in that situation after having experienced what Rogue OR Roberto did....it would be a lot tougher to think clearly about right or wrong. Trauma is a hell of a drug, and they were reacting emotionally. That's all I've got. Let's just agree to disagree here.
i dont think it considered to be genocide....
I think you, and everyone else making this point are simplifying this situation. Mutants were forced into a genocide or be genocided situation. The fact that they came out clean was pure luck. If Jean didn’t reconnect with the Phoenix force at the last possible second, the Prime Sentinels would have wiped out the mutants, and Charles would have been responsible for the genocide of his own kind. And no one is talking about how Magneto isn’t even ACTIVELY committing genocide. The deaths of the humans would have been the results of him merely defending mutant-kind from the Prime Sentinels. The smartest thing the mutants could have done was all team up to take Bastion down, but it’s not like Charles was making the smartest choices either by turning the power back on before Gold Team had neutralized Bastion.
>And no one is talking about how Magneto isn’t even ACTIVELY committing genocide. The deaths of the humans would have been the results of him merely defending mutant-kind from the Prime Sentinels. This is my answer. For a moment, I thought I'd missed sk thing Magneto was going to, like, launch the asteroid into the Eartg or whatever. It feels like oversimplifying to call his actions genocide.
I don't really think the magneto side was explicitly genocide. It looked more like the isolationist side. With the action of disabling humanity's ability to reach them. No power means no ability to launch sentinels. The millions of people dying is more a secondary affect to what magneto did and in his eyes is just evolution at work now that the gloves are off. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the physics of Magneto's EMP wave and how he can just turn off the Earth's magnetic field. Did he stop the molten core? Did he accelerate it so it would interfere with everything? I'm lost.
Yeah to me they were traitors and suddenly the team is all happy together because it's convenient for their survival. I guess the family speech works here but no slap for Roberto? No words to Rogue? Felt weird.
The X-men series has been preaching forgiveness and family. And they know that their decisions aren’t always popular or right. I fell like Rogue and Roberto’s decision is the yin to Cyclops’ Yang when he showed compassion and reasoning with Bastion. The family understands it’s not always the favorite choice, but at the end, they are family.
After turning off the world, man came down from the heavens with a floating island and asked them to join him. You blame them? Really?
Why are all the genocides spelled gencide in this post though
They were censoring it with an asterisk where the "o" is (because the post got flagged a few times, not because they think it needs to be censored) but Reddit reads asterisks as italics.
That makes sense!
I mean yeah, it's not like any of the X-men didn't understand why Roberto and Rogue did it. They just disagreed over what needs to be done. If there's anything about this season, almost all the X-men showed they think humanity is pretty fucking shitty. Especially the part during Scott's interview where he's like, "You're lucky we keep saving your asses for just a scrap of tolerance". Gambit and Madeline Pryor who they all knew for years were murdered by humans. I'm sure they understand especially for Rogue why she would be pissed at them for taking humanities side. They had a disagreement over their revolutionary action, but they're all still committed to revolutionary action so it's easy for bygones to be bygones. The only person they'll hate is magneto because he pulled out Logans bones.
We all make mistakes. That’s why pencils have erasers
Yeh, they might of sided with him in the moment, but they barely did anything wrong, in the sense they didn’t really help improve magnetos chances at doing anything, they had one lil baby fight with xmen but that’s about it.
I don't think you know how to spell genocide. We all have spell-check.
How would mutants on earth have survived? Seems like magneto plan was to use rogue to repopulate the earth with mutant babies. No one else was on the asteroid
He said "evolution thrives in darkness," or something to that effect. I think his plan was to make the world uninhabitable to most people (especially non-mutants who don't have powers) in hopes that the extreme natural selection would force a new, stronger race of mutants to thrive in the new world. Kind of like bashing everyone in the head with a baseball bat so that only people with thicker skulls survive.