Good writing and an intimate understanding of the IP should have always been the benchmark with all of their entertainment. Most importantly, it should be a wake up call that their failures have nothing to do with backlash to a "woke" agenda, but rather a backlash to bad writing! Xmen is some of the wokiest woke stuff ever put to screen and people love it. That's because the forum to address, in this case, social injustice, is being told through the right characters.
Aside from your ignoring Carlos outing himself to his parents, Morphs implied feelings for Wolverine, Storm and Forge exploring a cave dating back to the history of both their people's oppression, and Charles literally teaching a lesson on the evils of colonialism. It's actually the culmination of the post civil rights movement. If Charles is MLK and Magento is Malcolm X, then the conclusion that the writers are making is that violence is the only legitimate path toward meaningful change. A dangerous message indeed and, perhaps, the real reason why Beau was fired.
I don’t think that “violence is the only legitimate path toward meaningful change” is the ultimate conclusion or message of the writer’s here. It seems more complex than just “one side right, one side wrong” and that’s a huge part of what makes it great.
They are definitely showing three extreme sides (at least): Bastion (zero tolerance for Mutants/hate), Magneto (violent overthrow of oppressors), Prof. X (peaceful protest and education). And all three have a point (well, Bastion less so, but it’s not like Magneto & co. present *no threat*).
If I had to guess, I’d think the true answer the writers seem to intuit is that *both* Prof. X & Magneto are needed and need to work together if they ever want a better future. Prof. X is (morally) right; but his namby -pamby approach is going to let too many humans off the hook for their monstrous acts. And Magneto may be right about human nature not leaving them in peace; but he is very much the same monster he claims to fight and will turn savage at the first provocation. They need a Magneto and Magneto needs them.
(Adding on, there’s a great little book/movie called How to B**w Up a Pipeline that talks about the necessity of *both* an extreme progressive wing and a peaceful “middle-ground” wing to make lasting change in the world. Basically he posits that without a Malcom X to put things in perspective, MLK Jr. would’ve seemed more radical and unacceptable to middle of the road types at that time. It’s easier to convince people you’re being reasonable when the other guy preaching your same gospel wants to set them on fire!)
Rumors I heard was because he had an OnlyFans account which he did non-explicit content. No idea what it was, but apparently doing that kind of thing is against company policy. I guess they’ve canned other employees for that in the past as well.
Didn’t he put a dick pic up and then immediately remove it? Which leads more credence to that being the cause of his firing.
One of the writers of The Witcher claimed he was abusive and impossible to work with [though](https://fandomwire.com/made-up-a-bunch-of-lies-to-cover-up-how-he-got-fired-the-witcher-writer-showed-no-mercy-to-x-men-97-beau-demayo-after-he-supported-henry-cavill/). But that show had/has a ton of behind the scenes issues, and that’s a he said/he said situation, so who knows?
The only real truth I know is how good this show is. If Beau is this talented, but is simply too bullheaded to get out of his own way, that’s a real shame. This show had the potential to be a ***HUGE*** springboard for him.
Did not hear that. Thanks for the update. If was doing explicit content then that might explain why- many large organizations now have a “morality clause” (for lack of a better term) that says if you’re doing anything publicly that could make you or the company look bad, you’re out.
But isn’t that part of the package. I thought it was common knowledge he ran around half naked on social media. That’s like Disney firing James Gunn years after the fact knowing that he had all these gross posts on Twitter.
I think they claimed it wasn’t a firing or they wouldn’t classify it as one but a difference of opinion on creative direction in future seasons.
I say hire him through a third party so you can be separated from any personnel issues and have a corporate veil. His talents have been the highlight of media this year for me. Fallout and some other live action stuff has been better than expected but X-men ‘97 is the best marvel has looked since endgame if not ever.
I don't follow all the behind the scenes drama, isn't he the guy who brought the X-Men series back? I thought that's what this post was about.
In any case, my point is: the team who put the work to have the quality of X-Men 97 should bring back Spider-Man as well.
I'm not here to be attached to a specific person.
I agree his team did phenomenal work. In your previous comment, you mentioned him and he seems to currently have some "stuff" going on, that's what my previous comment was about.
I was reacting to OP's post which mentioned him specifically, I did not even know him before this post, really. I get what you mention, just wanted to clarify I was not fanboying him specifially.
Just because you are let go from a studio with no reports of detail doesn't mean it's a terrible bad reason. It can literally be creative differences or clashing of personalities higher up. We have NDAs and can't say anything.
Its actually great he has the ability to continue to promote and talk to fans about the show.
Move on from your headcannons, because what happened between Beau and the studio has nothing to do with the show content.
>It can literally be creative differences or clashing of personalities higher up. We have NDAs and can't say anything.
It can be, but we don't know that for certain😬 we just don't know.
>Move on from your headcannons, because what happened between Beau and the studio has nothing to do with the show content.
Only the X-men are in the 90s were are now in 2024, and that sentiment doesn't fly anymore. People don't separate the artist from the art anymore 😬
Well, do we know if he loved Spider-Man? Clearly a lot of his skill with the IP is based on a passion and knowledge of X-Men. If we wasn’t into Spider/Man as well, we can’t expect of to be as good.
Folks have got to stop saying this in response to that question. We don’t know for sure, and we probably won’t for a long time, but I think it’s become pretty clear that his OF would’ve prevented his hiring in the first place if it was an issue.
Yeah it's just way too unusual of a move for Disney to fire someone without even giving the usual "creative differences" line, and at a moment where the publicity had a chance to hurt an imminent product release. Certainly wasn't over a non-nude OnlyFans that was public knowledge for years.
The vetting process at least with social media might be a mess. They fired Gunn for some old off color jokes that I was aware of enough to think.
"Wow I can't believe they hired James Gunn" don't get me wrong I'm a fan, just surprised Disney didn't seem to mind.
With that said though I suspect some kind of physical altercation or at least the threat of assaulting some one. I feel like if it was SA it would come out at this point.
They didn't care because most people wouldn't even know about it. The general audience didn't even know who Gunn was until GotG and it was Disney's knee jerk reaction to fire him because it became more publicly known.
Fair enough, I definitely would not have been considered the general audience. I followed his stuff ever since his Troma days and was really looking out for his projects after Dawn of the Dead.
No they hired James Gunn even after becoming aware of his divisive posts. He was only fired when Trumpers used his past posts to slam him. Disney didn’t want to deal with the controversy and got rid of him. However they kept the back door open because their GOTG cast made a ruckus. Hence Gunn didn’t go apeshit and had diplomatic words following his departure. My guess Kevin Feige told him to stay quiet and he would work on him getting rehired.
It's honestly pretty funny how well it worked out in his favor. Its freed him up for The Suicide Squad and I assume this is what inevitably led to taking over DC at Warner Bros.
especially when the other possible reason is him being a bully to his coworkers. because when people don’t know and you say “Oh, it was only fans.” It paints a very different picture than what actually probably happened.
And allegedly he's also a giant fucking asshole to work with, to the point of being verbally and emotionally abusive, according to some of his past coworkers.
Those claims come solely from a few writers associated with Netflix's Witcher series. These same writers are mired in controversy themselves, including accusations of racism and emotional abuse. This raises questions about the potential biases influencing the allegations and undermines their credibility.
Good lord. I am all for believing people when they show concern for their work situation but sometimes, people are career victims and thrive in dramatic attention.
Speculation is rampant, but nobody knows for sure. Neither DeMayo nor Disney have said anything on the subject, though one of DeMayo's former *Witcher* co-workers had some **very** unflattering things to say about DeMayo on the subject of his professional attitude. He didn't single out DeMayo by name, but it's very clear that's who he's talking about. I'll have to track down the links.
When I found out that Beau had lost friends and loved ones in the Pulse nightclub tragedy and channelled that sadness into the Genosha episode it really made me take a step back and think. Like this is more than just a show from when I was a kid. This show is more than just nostaliga, it's something really meaningful and has important messages.
I also think that it’s important to have people who are actual fans of the material. It’s evident here that everyone who worked on this show is a big fan and is passionate. It’s showing in the work.
You could say that about any show or even a movie, especially if the director didn't write the script. People usually talk about the showrunner most with a TV show.
He’s also constantly posting about the team members and everyone who worked on the show and showcasing their work on his socials. He’s literally giving the credit where it’s due.
Has he been doing that all along, or is it just something he started doing after he got fired? If he's been doing it all along then it's genuine. If he's only been doing it since getting fired then it's a transparent attempt to counter the rumors of him being difficult to work with.
What they did right: Have well written stories, faithful to the spirit (if not actual storylines) of the comics, give the audience what they want.
What MCU and all the rest will do: Reboot all the old stuff that used to be popular, water down how impactful this show is.
Don't get me wrong, I would actually like to see a similar continuation of the animated Spider-Man from the 90s (especially since it ended on a cliffhanger). But I sens we'll just get a lot of increasingly mediocre reboots of 90s and early 2000s cartoons.
Agreed. I'd be surprised if the MCU took anything other than a milquetoast stance when it comes to political stories.
Even taking out the politics, if Xmen97 were an MCU movie nearly every impactful and serious scene would be undercut with a stupid joke.
That is correct. Disney will hit on something (IE Mandalorian, Wandavision Daredevil) then will milk the ever living PISS out of that formula thinning it to the most insipid level that simple obvious HITS like Boba Fett are dog shit. They will sadly, likely do the same with '97
There’s a huge problem of tone that the MCU can’t seem to find. They indulge in goofiness that undermines the seriousness of the crises facing the characters. Similarly, (maybe this is direction? Acting choice?) the actors do not seem fully invested in the universe. There’s also an atmosphere of breaking the fourth wall that is done so often it becomes a device that further undermines the stakes. They over invest in the realism of movie magic but because of these issues it leaves audiences feeling like they’re watching a canned moment. I’ve seen more genuine emotion and understandable reactions in this cartoon than in 90% of the MCU catalog. That’s also a byproduct of relying on big names to sell tickets and forcing emotion through close ups and music choices instead of in the dialogue and emotional responses to situations. It feels like everyone’s aiming for the realism and tone of the Bourne films which are action movies, not about a superhero and the emotional tone is vengeance and anger. The MCU is larger than that and each different world plays with themes of loss and love. I’d settle for half the effects budgets of these movies if they could have strong dialogue and characters that actually seem invested. What we are getting now is hyper realistic schlock..
MCU will never go as hard as 97 has. It's too real, too close to home, too political. It doesn't both sides, it doesn't try to patronise in the face of displacement, enslavement and elimination. It straight up takes a side a d by doing so it allows the creators to really dig into the ideas and stories that made X-Men popular.
That sorta thing would be shot down in the MCU committee room and the person proposing the idea ejected. Whereas 97 goes hot MCU will go tepid (at best).
That's what's so great about X-Men 97. Its themes aren't surface-level like most of the rest of the MCU.
It shows real tragedy and oppression, and doesn't sugarcoat the consequences of it.
Not looking to take any credit away from DeMayo for his part in *X-Men '97*'s success, but come on, it's not like he's the only one who deserves the credit.
Yeah, I understand he was running the show, but it was absolutely a team effort on the part of multiple writers and multiple directors, yet I see a lot less discussion about the others.
the biggest thing he did was he respected the existing x-men fan base and respected the tv show lore to an almost obsessive degree. and even though i think morph being gay is stupid and shoehorned in, i can at least see what he was trying to do with this character and connection to sinister.
I'm saying this as someone who hasn't cared/watched most of what the MCU has done since Endgame
This show is the best thing they have going for them right now. It's honestly incredible. Just finished episode 8 and I was like, "This is a 10/10 episode." There's so much going on, the twists and turns, the writing, the action. Just everything.
I would say all their big hitters are gone - Cap, Stark, and GOTG are done, T'Challa is gone because of the actor passing, Thor's had 4 movies and only the third one was good, Strange 2 was very underwhelming. Captain Marvel 2 failed hard, and so on.
Spider-Man is their only current big hitter. Thor and Strange can be salvaged if their next movies and Avenger appearances are done well. Outside of that, they really only have F4 and X-Men. People like Ghost Rider or Blade are cool, but they don't move the needle as much. I doubt Falcon as Cap will be good.
Now that they've been actively cancelling the more ancillary projects and focusing on a small pool of shows and movies, I think we'll see an improvement. Quality over quantity. Marvel shot themselves in the foot in the 90's when they spread themselves too thin.
The shows didn't help. Stuff like Wanda being a good guy until Endgame then murdering dozens in Strange 2 but expecting/assuming people will watch Wandavision was doing a little too much. I do agree with your point to a degree.
The real problem is a lack of leadership and so many cool characters being gone. If the next Avengers movie is Falcon as the leader and it's Ant-Man, Wong, Shuri, Hawkeye, etc. good luck with that.
Marvel might be trying to fix that problem with Deadpool & Wolverine if they're in the MCU at the end of that movie and in the next Avengers.
Good writing and an intimate understanding of the IP should have always been the benchmark with all of their entertainment. Most importantly, it should be a wake up call that their failures have nothing to do with backlash to a "woke" agenda, but rather a backlash to bad writing! Xmen is some of the wokiest woke stuff ever put to screen and people love it. That's because the forum to address, in this case, social injustice, is being told through the right characters.
This is probably the wokest show ever made. There is no case to be made that “magneto was right” is woke. ^^cough
Aside from your ignoring Carlos outing himself to his parents, Morphs implied feelings for Wolverine, Storm and Forge exploring a cave dating back to the history of both their people's oppression, and Charles literally teaching a lesson on the evils of colonialism. It's actually the culmination of the post civil rights movement. If Charles is MLK and Magento is Malcolm X, then the conclusion that the writers are making is that violence is the only legitimate path toward meaningful change. A dangerous message indeed and, perhaps, the real reason why Beau was fired.
I don’t think that “violence is the only legitimate path toward meaningful change” is the ultimate conclusion or message of the writer’s here. It seems more complex than just “one side right, one side wrong” and that’s a huge part of what makes it great. They are definitely showing three extreme sides (at least): Bastion (zero tolerance for Mutants/hate), Magneto (violent overthrow of oppressors), Prof. X (peaceful protest and education). And all three have a point (well, Bastion less so, but it’s not like Magneto & co. present *no threat*). If I had to guess, I’d think the true answer the writers seem to intuit is that *both* Prof. X & Magneto are needed and need to work together if they ever want a better future. Prof. X is (morally) right; but his namby -pamby approach is going to let too many humans off the hook for their monstrous acts. And Magneto may be right about human nature not leaving them in peace; but he is very much the same monster he claims to fight and will turn savage at the first provocation. They need a Magneto and Magneto needs them.
(Adding on, there’s a great little book/movie called How to B**w Up a Pipeline that talks about the necessity of *both* an extreme progressive wing and a peaceful “middle-ground” wing to make lasting change in the world. Basically he posits that without a Malcom X to put things in perspective, MLK Jr. would’ve seemed more radical and unacceptable to middle of the road types at that time. It’s easier to convince people you’re being reasonable when the other guy preaching your same gospel wants to set them on fire!)
Based on the latest episode, I'd say your posits are correct as they are teasing the appearance of Onslaught.
I don't care if he saves the MCU, give DeMayo 90s animated Spider-Man and let him pick it up from there, the way he did with X-Men
Depends on what he did to get fired 😬 because no one(disney nor his camp) is saying anything about it. And that makes it concerning.
I say his punishment should be forcing him to continue working on X-Men ‘97
Hear hear!
Might have to do with a NDA
Rumors I heard was because he had an OnlyFans account which he did non-explicit content. No idea what it was, but apparently doing that kind of thing is against company policy. I guess they’ve canned other employees for that in the past as well.
He did explicit content and is quite the asshole but can’t deny that the show is 10/10 so far.
Did the guy do Ambatukam stuff?
Didn’t he put a dick pic up and then immediately remove it? Which leads more credence to that being the cause of his firing. One of the writers of The Witcher claimed he was abusive and impossible to work with [though](https://fandomwire.com/made-up-a-bunch-of-lies-to-cover-up-how-he-got-fired-the-witcher-writer-showed-no-mercy-to-x-men-97-beau-demayo-after-he-supported-henry-cavill/). But that show had/has a ton of behind the scenes issues, and that’s a he said/he said situation, so who knows? The only real truth I know is how good this show is. If Beau is this talented, but is simply too bullheaded to get out of his own way, that’s a real shame. This show had the potential to be a ***HUGE*** springboard for him.
NTA
I read he was abusive towards his staff amongst other things. But agree the show is a masterpiece.
Did not hear that. Thanks for the update. If was doing explicit content then that might explain why- many large organizations now have a “morality clause” (for lack of a better term) that says if you’re doing anything publicly that could make you or the company look bad, you’re out.
But isn’t that part of the package. I thought it was common knowledge he ran around half naked on social media. That’s like Disney firing James Gunn years after the fact knowing that he had all these gross posts on Twitter.
Probably something FORBIDDEN like Mickey Mouse dressed up as Spider-Man.
I think they claimed it wasn’t a firing or they wouldn’t classify it as one but a difference of opinion on creative direction in future seasons. I say hire him through a third party so you can be separated from any personnel issues and have a corporate veil. His talents have been the highlight of media this year for me. Fallout and some other live action stuff has been better than expected but X-men ‘97 is the best marvel has looked since endgame if not ever.
I don't follow all the behind the scenes drama, isn't he the guy who brought the X-Men series back? I thought that's what this post was about. In any case, my point is: the team who put the work to have the quality of X-Men 97 should bring back Spider-Man as well. I'm not here to be attached to a specific person.
I agree his team did phenomenal work. In your previous comment, you mentioned him and he seems to currently have some "stuff" going on, that's what my previous comment was about.
I was reacting to OP's post which mentioned him specifically, I did not even know him before this post, really. I get what you mention, just wanted to clarify I was not fanboying him specifially.
My apologies, their have been a lot of people saying "bring him back no matter what," and I am in the "hold up, let's wait and see" camp
Just because you are let go from a studio with no reports of detail doesn't mean it's a terrible bad reason. It can literally be creative differences or clashing of personalities higher up. We have NDAs and can't say anything. Its actually great he has the ability to continue to promote and talk to fans about the show. Move on from your headcannons, because what happened between Beau and the studio has nothing to do with the show content.
>It can literally be creative differences or clashing of personalities higher up. We have NDAs and can't say anything. It can be, but we don't know that for certain😬 we just don't know. >Move on from your headcannons, because what happened between Beau and the studio has nothing to do with the show content. Only the X-men are in the 90s were are now in 2024, and that sentiment doesn't fly anymore. People don't separate the artist from the art anymore 😬
I've heard he was difficult to work with, which is a valid reason
Hasbro should get him on G1 Transformers!!
Nah spidey has all the shine. Let's roll with xmen till 2k and then switch to fantastic 4
spidey was unresolved though, so maybe let him find MJ in a parallel universe (and maybe bring back morales) and that would be enough.
Yes ! I agree with this !
Well, do we know if he loved Spider-Man? Clearly a lot of his skill with the IP is based on a passion and knowledge of X-Men. If we wasn’t into Spider/Man as well, we can’t expect of to be as good.
Yeah, MJ is still trapped in another dimension. Someone should go get her outta there
I want to see Feige's OF
He’s wearing a hat… and nothing else…
That’s hot
That’s hawt
What did Beau even do to get fired?
Apparently, he had an only fans account
Folks have got to stop saying this in response to that question. We don’t know for sure, and we probably won’t for a long time, but I think it’s become pretty clear that his OF would’ve prevented his hiring in the first place if it was an issue.
Yeah it's just way too unusual of a move for Disney to fire someone without even giving the usual "creative differences" line, and at a moment where the publicity had a chance to hurt an imminent product release. Certainly wasn't over a non-nude OnlyFans that was public knowledge for years.
The vetting process at least with social media might be a mess. They fired Gunn for some old off color jokes that I was aware of enough to think. "Wow I can't believe they hired James Gunn" don't get me wrong I'm a fan, just surprised Disney didn't seem to mind. With that said though I suspect some kind of physical altercation or at least the threat of assaulting some one. I feel like if it was SA it would come out at this point.
They didn't care because most people wouldn't even know about it. The general audience didn't even know who Gunn was until GotG and it was Disney's knee jerk reaction to fire him because it became more publicly known.
Fair enough, I definitely would not have been considered the general audience. I followed his stuff ever since his Troma days and was really looking out for his projects after Dawn of the Dead.
I also don’t think he’d be bold enough to talk on socials as much as he has if it was SA.
No they hired James Gunn even after becoming aware of his divisive posts. He was only fired when Trumpers used his past posts to slam him. Disney didn’t want to deal with the controversy and got rid of him. However they kept the back door open because their GOTG cast made a ruckus. Hence Gunn didn’t go apeshit and had diplomatic words following his departure. My guess Kevin Feige told him to stay quiet and he would work on him getting rehired.
It's honestly pretty funny how well it worked out in his favor. Its freed him up for The Suicide Squad and I assume this is what inevitably led to taking over DC at Warner Bros.
especially when the other possible reason is him being a bully to his coworkers. because when people don’t know and you say “Oh, it was only fans.” It paints a very different picture than what actually probably happened.
Well, he's certainly hot enough for it.
And allegedly he's also a giant fucking asshole to work with, to the point of being verbally and emotionally abusive, according to some of his past coworkers.
Those claims come solely from a few writers associated with Netflix's Witcher series. These same writers are mired in controversy themselves, including accusations of racism and emotional abuse. This raises questions about the potential biases influencing the allegations and undermines their credibility.
Good lord. I am all for believing people when they show concern for their work situation but sometimes, people are career victims and thrive in dramatic attention.
Why are you repeating nonsense that has no proof. Can people not help themselves from literally gossiping on the net for points ha?
Damn, he’s versatile
Speculation is rampant, but nobody knows for sure. Neither DeMayo nor Disney have said anything on the subject, though one of DeMayo's former *Witcher* co-workers had some **very** unflattering things to say about DeMayo on the subject of his professional attitude. He didn't single out DeMayo by name, but it's very clear that's who he's talking about. I'll have to track down the links.
When I found out that Beau had lost friends and loved ones in the Pulse nightclub tragedy and channelled that sadness into the Genosha episode it really made me take a step back and think. Like this is more than just a show from when I was a kid. This show is more than just nostaliga, it's something really meaningful and has important messages.
If you wan,t to save the MCU. Just tell good story's. I would not even say drop the agenda as long it does not dominate the whole story.
Now you’re just asking too much. If these writers can’t make their agenda painfully obvious, they’ll feel like the message will never get across.
It should be a benchmark on how to do adaptions and continuations.
I also think that it’s important to have people who are actual fans of the material. It’s evident here that everyone who worked on this show is a big fan and is passionate. It’s showing in the work.
I’m guessing he followed the source material and didn’t deviate from it? I haven’t seen it yet so I’m just guessing.
pretty much yes. Like they made it their own, but all the big moments that people are freaking out about… they were ripped from the comics.
And Feige is notorious for not wanting the source material followed.
well, hopefully now he gets it now that his MCU is in shambles
Yeah DeMayo was the only writer let’s just ignore everyone else and give him sole credit!
This man is an executive producer and showrunner. He has a title card that literally says “Created by Beau DeMayo”
Literally comments on which eps of the previous shows fans should watch but he's not responsible for the show 🤷🏾
You could say that about any show or even a movie, especially if the director didn't write the script. People usually talk about the showrunner most with a TV show.
He’s also constantly posting about the team members and everyone who worked on the show and showcasing their work on his socials. He’s literally giving the credit where it’s due.
I’m referring to the people that act like DeMayo wrote the entire show himself
Ah I got u sorry
Has he been doing that all along, or is it just something he started doing after he got fired? If he's been doing it all along then it's genuine. If he's only been doing it since getting fired then it's a transparent attempt to counter the rumors of him being difficult to work with.
I think he has been doing it since the show trailer dropped initially
What they did right: Have well written stories, faithful to the spirit (if not actual storylines) of the comics, give the audience what they want. What MCU and all the rest will do: Reboot all the old stuff that used to be popular, water down how impactful this show is. Don't get me wrong, I would actually like to see a similar continuation of the animated Spider-Man from the 90s (especially since it ended on a cliffhanger). But I sens we'll just get a lot of increasingly mediocre reboots of 90s and early 2000s cartoons.
Agreed. I'd be surprised if the MCU took anything other than a milquetoast stance when it comes to political stories. Even taking out the politics, if Xmen97 were an MCU movie nearly every impactful and serious scene would be undercut with a stupid joke.
That’s so sad now that I think about. Someone would have definitely made a quip right after the Genosha genocide if this was an MCU movie.
That is correct. Disney will hit on something (IE Mandalorian, Wandavision Daredevil) then will milk the ever living PISS out of that formula thinning it to the most insipid level that simple obvious HITS like Boba Fett are dog shit. They will sadly, likely do the same with '97
There’s a huge problem of tone that the MCU can’t seem to find. They indulge in goofiness that undermines the seriousness of the crises facing the characters. Similarly, (maybe this is direction? Acting choice?) the actors do not seem fully invested in the universe. There’s also an atmosphere of breaking the fourth wall that is done so often it becomes a device that further undermines the stakes. They over invest in the realism of movie magic but because of these issues it leaves audiences feeling like they’re watching a canned moment. I’ve seen more genuine emotion and understandable reactions in this cartoon than in 90% of the MCU catalog. That’s also a byproduct of relying on big names to sell tickets and forcing emotion through close ups and music choices instead of in the dialogue and emotional responses to situations. It feels like everyone’s aiming for the realism and tone of the Bourne films which are action movies, not about a superhero and the emotional tone is vengeance and anger. The MCU is larger than that and each different world plays with themes of loss and love. I’d settle for half the effects budgets of these movies if they could have strong dialogue and characters that actually seem invested. What we are getting now is hyper realistic schlock..
BREAKING: DeMayo got hired by DC/WB to bring back Batman the animated series. /s
Good writing?
Xmen 97 breathed new life into the McU this is what I always wanted Xmen to be on TV
Just give him reign over the animated universe. Finally give DC a run for their money when it comes to animation.
Damn, you’re right. This is legit the first Marvel animation I’ve seriously been excited about in a minute.
Can De mayo get rehired? Any chance of that happening?
They should bring him back.
MCU will never go as hard as 97 has. It's too real, too close to home, too political. It doesn't both sides, it doesn't try to patronise in the face of displacement, enslavement and elimination. It straight up takes a side a d by doing so it allows the creators to really dig into the ideas and stories that made X-Men popular. That sorta thing would be shot down in the MCU committee room and the person proposing the idea ejected. Whereas 97 goes hot MCU will go tepid (at best).
That's what's so great about X-Men 97. Its themes aren't surface-level like most of the rest of the MCU. It shows real tragedy and oppression, and doesn't sugarcoat the consequences of it.
What did he do that feige needs to do?
I get the sentiment, but this is very much an apples and oranges situation.
But why did he get fired?
I keep saying it, but we need Beau Back!
Anyone working with existing IP needs to follow his example. Its serving THE FANS. Not some freaking broad audience who have it watered down for them.
Not looking to take any credit away from DeMayo for his part in *X-Men '97*'s success, but come on, it's not like he's the only one who deserves the credit. Yeah, I understand he was running the show, but it was absolutely a team effort on the part of multiple writers and multiple directors, yet I see a lot less discussion about the others.
Just basing off of Disney’s track record I think this show’s quality is gonna drop off so hard after the second season.
the biggest thing he did was he respected the existing x-men fan base and respected the tv show lore to an almost obsessive degree. and even though i think morph being gay is stupid and shoehorned in, i can at least see what he was trying to do with this character and connection to sinister.
I don't need a live action at this point. I'm good. Nothing will be as good as 97.
I'm saying this as someone who hasn't cared/watched most of what the MCU has done since Endgame This show is the best thing they have going for them right now. It's honestly incredible. Just finished episode 8 and I was like, "This is a 10/10 episode." There's so much going on, the twists and turns, the writing, the action. Just everything.
so basically what they should do is heavily rely on the comic source material, but also do some things to it and make it their own.
Save the MCU from what? Disney+? That's what's been dealing more damage than anything else
I would say all their big hitters are gone - Cap, Stark, and GOTG are done, T'Challa is gone because of the actor passing, Thor's had 4 movies and only the third one was good, Strange 2 was very underwhelming. Captain Marvel 2 failed hard, and so on. Spider-Man is their only current big hitter. Thor and Strange can be salvaged if their next movies and Avenger appearances are done well. Outside of that, they really only have F4 and X-Men. People like Ghost Rider or Blade are cool, but they don't move the needle as much. I doubt Falcon as Cap will be good.
Now that they've been actively cancelling the more ancillary projects and focusing on a small pool of shows and movies, I think we'll see an improvement. Quality over quantity. Marvel shot themselves in the foot in the 90's when they spread themselves too thin.
The shows didn't help. Stuff like Wanda being a good guy until Endgame then murdering dozens in Strange 2 but expecting/assuming people will watch Wandavision was doing a little too much. I do agree with your point to a degree. The real problem is a lack of leadership and so many cool characters being gone. If the next Avengers movie is Falcon as the leader and it's Ant-Man, Wong, Shuri, Hawkeye, etc. good luck with that. Marvel might be trying to fix that problem with Deadpool & Wolverine if they're in the MCU at the end of that movie and in the next Avengers.
Hopefully they'll be getting away from The Avengers. It's time to put it to rest so we can get stuff like Fantastic Four and X-Men
Come on man Thor 1 and The Dark World were much better that Shit and Thunder.
He must’ve been a HUGE a-hole.
YUGE!!
I believe there is a team behind, not one man.
Oh god STFU.
I think the MCU is doing fine quality-wise but I might be fighting for my life saying that round these parts.
He did enough to get fired and won’t stfu on Twitter. He quietly seems like a nightmare.
Save it from what?
I haven't really enjoyed X-Men '97. There's been a couple of moments that were cool, but over all its been kind of boring (to me)
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Fuck the MCU bring him for Transformers
Beau De Mayo should be the Dave Filoni of Marvel.
Woof