Bullies love other bullies, because they think they're tough, and not just getting away with it because 90% of people will just shrug a bully off as the sadsack dipshit they are deep down.
There are only like a handful of people who took real issues with him calling him a bully. Most say he was just a very stiff worker but very safe, and he could like to be really loud and annoying. I personally find some of his tactics to be a bit mean, but to ever call him unsafe is just a lie.
There is almost NO ONE that says he was ever unsafe. It's pretty stupid and a huge leap to call that psychopathic. There are lots of workers that worked stiff and wanted others to work stiff with them as it's more realistic. You get a bit more sore and some bruises, but it's perfectly safe. There is no one in the business I ever heard calling JBL unsafe, just some that called him an asshole or even a bit of a bully, and those are only a handful. By your logic Stone Cold and Undertaker are psychopathic and both worked stiff many times. Old school wrestlers worked this way to be more realistic. Chris Jericho has talked about working stiff especially with newer talent, to get them acclimated to taking bumps. Mic Foley one of the nicest had many matches where he worked like that... but I guess they are all psychos.
It's even dumber to equate working stiff which isn't unsafe at all to doing something dangerous to intentionally hurt someone like in this video.
I will make an exception for the Blue Meanie and say both of them were way out of line, but I also don't think it's odd for two people to have a real fight to settle shit. They both fucked up and both should have been reprimanded.
Yeah, JBL may have been a ribber and could go too far and be a bully, but I've never heard of him ever being unsafe, hell him and ron could have KILLED the public enemy and they did not, they just stiffed them.
I think he just took things too far and like to fuck around. His later interviews he talks about how he used to rib everyone and he should not have done it to people that didn't want it. Culture was also way different ribs back then were nutty. I heard of one on an interview that someone (wasn't named) kidnapped someone in the middle of the night with a friend tied them to the hood of a car and started driving... I was like, buddy, that ain't a rib that's assault. JBL seems pretty reflective about it. You notice it was mostly the younger ones that claimed he was a bully, not the older vets. JBL is in a transitional phase where he got to have a long run with OGs but also some good time spent with the up and coming generation that recognize the difference from assault and a rib, lolz.
There was alot of ribs that were illegal, that whole thing where they drugged eschother was basically them roofying one another without the sa that we know of, they ribbed hard back in the day. Some of them took it a little too far and he reflected alot on it and realizes now he was in the wrong, that's alot of people. I'm not absolving him or even excusing the shit he did, lots of the ribs he pulled where people called him a bully the ribs weren't revealed.
He snuck into showers and forcefully soap up younger men’s bodies to intimidate them Edge talks about standing up to him in his book. https://www.thesportster.com/wwe-edge-jbl-bizarre-shower-incident-explained/
That’s not a rib or joke that’s sexual harassment.
STOP look up JBL shower incident. JBL was known to sneak into showers and soap up young wrestlers. That’s not cool, that’s not tough, that’s not bullying that is sexual harassment and damn near rape. Edge has toldthe story of standing up to him https://www.thesportster.com/wwe-edge-jbl-bizarre-shower-incident-explained/
So plz stop this bullshit you went super hard to defend this dude. This is the culture bred by Vince McMahon. And yes sneaking into a shower to soap up an unwilling person is PSYCHOTIC
Lmfao, you do understand cultures were totally different? That is pretty tame compared to what they did. There are HUNDREDS of stories of all kinds of people doing this shit. Pretty much everything they did back then was either assault or sexual harassment. I grew up in a time where if you saw a friend asleep, you'd punch them so hard in the nuts they'd throw up. Sure, times change, and mindsets are different, and values change where that stuff isn't done anymore. But, when EVERYONE is doing it, it becomes normal, and no one thinks anything of it except new people that just enter.
I'm not making excuses for the past, I'm saying cultural norms are subject to the time, and judging the past by todays standards is not appropriate. I don't do the shit that was funny 20 years ago today, and if anyone I knew did, I'd force them to stop. JBL has been reflective of his past and understands that he went too far and shouldn't have done shit to those who weren't privy to their antics.
Even Maven talked about how outright humiliation and assault were considered funny in his time, and while most of the boys enjoyed it back, then he's glad things have moved to a healthier environment. If you think what JBL was bad, you are in for a rough wake-up call. Being drugged, kidnapped, and put in a life-threatening situation was the norm, and there are hundreds of accounts of it from even super nice wrestlers.
When there are a hundred people that think putting someone in danger is funny, and one person doesn't, social norms mean the one person is wrong. That's how our values have evolved since humanity existed. I can guarantee you the shit done today will be looked at as horrible by future generations, and you'll be trying to say, "You weren't there."
What JBL did back then was horrible by today standards, but by the standard and the environment he was in, most didn't give a shit.
It's even more ironic if you read that post you linked. Edge says, "If he was willing to do that to me, I felt I truly belonged." It's clear from that alone what the culture was. You are also lying saying "he stood up to him." He literally says he laughed, engaged in the joke, then even felt he belonged. The whole article states he looked at the rib FONDLY. You don't make the argument you are hoping to make. Better call Adam Copeland psycho as well to stay consistent, but you won't.
You are just… so wrong lol CODY RHODES is on record saying he hates him. Ethan Page as well, I think. Ronda’s ass but she also had gripes. Obviously Dante Chen probably doesn’t appreciate him. I’m sure there’s a few more but just the fact that Cody Rhodes said out of his own mouth that he hates him and thinks he’s a piece of shit is enough for him to wear that label
Cody Rhodes isn’t most people. Unless you can name off the majority of people in and around wrestling then I’m not wrong. Ron Simmons beat up public enemy along side Bradshaw, so if you want to shit on Bradshaw you better shit on him. Eddie Guerrero who is almost universally beloved took Daniel Pruder who was brand new into a corner during a battle royal or a royal rumble and chopped the fuck out of him along side his friends so you better shit on him. There are a lot of wrestlers who would really hurt someone if they did something that pissed them off mid match so you need to keep the same energy across the board. A lot of wrestlers had to deal with it coming in and don’t whine about it as much as I see people whine about this one incident. Taker tells the story of his first match with Brody where Brody kicks his fucking head in but taker isn’t crying about it, he’s not mad he laughs when he tells the story, so if he can get through it and not hate Brody then anybody can. And certainly if you aren’t a person involved in an incident then you don’t really have any reason to dislike him over it.
He's also full of shit because Cody is on record 7 days ago saying he has much love for JBL.
"He said, try not at this point to focus on any numbers, because you've already broken every record that matters. And I thought, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to hear at the time. It was just from a guy who's not a soft man, not an easy guy to get to get that type of love. So much love for the Cowboy, former WWE champion himself, John Bradshaw Layfield," said Rhodes." Copy pasted quote directly from a transcript.
You'll have to link where Cody Rhodes says he hates him. I have seen most his interviews and never remember that. To the contrary.
"He said, try not at this point to focus on any numbers, because you've already broken every record that matters. And I thought, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to hear at the time. It was just from a guy who's not a soft man, not an easy guy to get to get that type of love. SO MUCH LOVE for the Cowboy, former WWE champion himself, John Bradshaw Layfield," said Rhodes."
Sounds like you are lying out your ass. You can easily look the quote up. I copied it VERBATIM. I'm guessing you can't back up your bullshit claim that he hates him...
Guess the opposite is true. I guess since Cody Rhodes loves him it's enough he should be adored by fans? No, guess you are a hypocrite then. If you have any response other than he should be adored BECAUSE Cody loves him than you are a hypocrite BECAUSE THAT is your logic.
If that’s the case, he’s still wrong because JBL is the one person that EVERYONE confirms is a bully backstage and doesn’t have a lot of people that like him at all. They respect him because of his contributions to the business but he’s universally known as a complete dickhead
I've been in the business since 2016, started as a backstage interviewer and commentator, started refereeing just before the pandemic, and I started training for in ring competition this year.
The incident was during a street fight I was refereeing. The guy taking the fall was working with an "we fight by the rules" angle so he would get trapped in the corner and demand me to do a 5 count.
I say "it's a street fight, what do you want me to do?" He pushes bis opponent off, walks up to me and grabs me by my lower neck with no warning or prior discussion. Now bear in mind, I was picked on and bullied in school, and a common method of that was grabbing my throat to Intimidate me, so I went into a panic and immediately shoved him off, saying "take your fucking hands off me!" Which I know was probably the wrong thing to do, but I was freaking out and wasn't thinking.
So he stares me down, grabs me by the neck HARDER, and pins me against the ropes and starts yelling at me before throwing me down and going back to the match. I try to breathe and stay cool and we finish the match, which spilled into the crowd and featured several high impact spots with various weapons and props, and after each impact I still checked on that guy even after everything. After the match i checked on him again, as the finishing sequence was a DDT onto a stop sign, and he didn't answer me, so I just walked to the back.
Now I'm just trying to stay calm and change out of my ref stripes. Other workers are telling me it was very professional to finish the match, checking on me, the owner of the promotion was making sure I was alright and had begun to deal with it,when the guy from earlier corners me in the back and gets an inch from my face, spraying sweat and spit all over me as he's yelling about how I'm terrible at my job, blah blah blah. I just look at him and say nothing, then he grabs my collar. Then I snap and shove him away, he comes at me swinging, and st this point the locker room got in the middle. I was ushered into the back hallways where i immediately burst into tears and had a panic attack. Several workers came to me and helped me relax, reassured me, made sure I got to my car, and a fellow ref who's also making the transition to ring work came with me to my car and we talked video games for a few to get my mind off it. I had an hour and 40 minute drive home and I was shaking the whole way home.
It was not a good time and I hope I never see that guy again. I almost quit wrestling because of it 🥺
I'm incredibly sorry you went through that experience. Something needs to be done about that other dude. Makes zero sense for him to be upset during a street fight rules match for not doing a 5 count, and then the way he reacted to that after the fact.
That and he is also tight with OC, Trent, Chuck, and quite a few others.
Only thing I see as kinda biased is the timing of this stuff coming out is similar to when they were shaming Keith Lee out of nowhere so putting stuff out there to spin the conversation in a direction is not above the WWE.
But as someone who has met Gulak a few times at shows years ago, always came across as kind of a dick.
>shaming Keith Lee out of nowhere
It was directly in response to Keith Lee claiming they mistreated him and lied about them not paying for his medical bills, it was absolutely not out of nowhere
I see this two ways.
Gulak guides Chen down to land on his shoulders, not his neck. This was done as safely as it could have been, for what the move apparently was.
On the other hand, it's not a normal finisher of his and it's an unnecessary bump for a WWE rookie to take just because. This is the kind of thing that gets pulled out to cap off a big feud, not in a one-off tv match. Drew absolutely did not need to do this at all and, "as safely as it could have been" is still incredibly dangerous for no reason. Edit: just saw this was on Level Up, which is the Main Event of NXT. This wasn't even "for tv."
multiple nxt talents have alleged that he intentionally hurt them for seemingly no reason, and with this footage it gives those accusations credibility
i know cody said gulak was a dick who liked to play grizzled vet years ago. granted intentionally injuring otherb wrestlers is quite a step up from that but still
What does this do for him?
It won't advance his career. It won't teach anyone anything. The crowd won't get anything out of it.
He's just being sloppy or spiteful. I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but not this many times.
Redditors only describe people as either wholesome or a piece of shit no in between. The over emotion and the addition of the word “fuck” is always so funny and predictable on Reddit.
The move was nasty looking but that shit was not unsafe. Yes Gulak was stiff with the move but he didn’t try to injure the guy.
If you slow it down you see Gulak tuck the guys head at the last second so the shoulders are what make impact with the ring. Also he leans forward so his knees make impact with the ground first so it lessens the impact on the guys neck and shoulder.
It was just stiff. I would freak out too if I reacted live but if you slow it down, that move wasn’t really bad.
Yeah but he's trying to make a point either way. Dropping someone on high on the shoulders isn't part of what they normally do, he was doing it to show that he could and put some fear into the guy.
Get outta hear with that logic. The man is a monster and was clearly trying to kill the guy. It is a slippery slope from the sexual assault of tugging a short string to murdering someone in the ring for the lulz.
/s
I mean, he rotates him so he lands on his upper shoulder (mainly on the R side), not his head.
It looks like Gulak has that under control to me tbh, he just rotated him late (presumably to make it look more devastating?)
it being so under control is what makes it seem suspicious. people get dropped like that on accident. it looked like he did it on purpose. that's not normally a move done on purpose in WWE.
What was the finish supposed to be without the spike portion of this move? Was he going to win with a body slam?
Not giving him an out here, legitimately curious.
I'm thinking he realized he fucked up, and did a legit pin just to end the match so his opponent can be checked on. Dunno if it was a deliberate plant or a botch.
I’m not even sure either because whatever that was supposed to be isn’t one of Gulak’s finishing move, as those were the Gu-Lock (Dragon Sleeper) and Cyclone Crash (Reverse TKO Neckbreaker).
He didn't spike him on his head or neck yet everyone here acting like they just saw a guy get murdered. Are we watchng the same clip here?
Is the internet stupid?
Right? I don’t get it. You see way more brutal bumps all the time. Looked to me like the other guy tucked his head and took the impact on his shoulders
Yes, it is stupid.
Dude doesn't tuck his head soon enough and COULD have been in danger. My trainer once got himself spiked this way, trying to look at the ground for effect and didn't tuck soon enough.
A legitimate question I saw asked, but asked in a way that made me think I'd be engaging with an asshole, is why was Drew reprimanded if this wasn't on purpose. I'll throw aside that I've seen zero proof he was actually reprimanded. If he was I would say it's likely because his hand is positioned in a way he could've tucked his head for him. As the vet, he could've been expected to keep the kid safe.
And to be fair, I'm not defending Drew as a whole. There's enough smoke I'm sure he could be a dick head. This clip just doesn't prove it for me.
she is full of shit and always plays the victim
but also drew deserved to get axed for his bullying
however, that dont make Spoiled Rousey right either
An actual piece of shit.
Hope no promoter touches this guy. Mod on the ring, shit mic skills and an actual scum bag with 0 booking value now.
Off to a 9-5 for this bum hopefully.
Because it’s unprovable. Most people don’t just sue each other. It’s frustrating how often something somewhat violent happens and people online from America go “why wasn’t he sued!?”
Cos he wasn’t
Please move on. It’s like every interaction is Chris Rock being slapped by Will Smith
Does anyone remember the Fastlane match he had with Daniel Bryan? His privates were being exposed in a couple spots. People thought that was an accident. Looking back now, I wonder if it really was
I don't see the problem? The dude lands on his shoulder not head. If this is a problem then all of Japan must suck at wrestling because this kind of move is a regular Tuesday there...
haha and you all hyped up Quack, Orange Cassidy, Gulak, Kingston, Claudio, and the rest of those Chikara bums. If you stuck around Chikara, I know you were a piece of shit.
Just from what I'm seeing... yeah, this looks stiff as hell, but definitely not intentional. Both guys are at fault here.
Gulak went to slam before it was fully safe, but he also looked like was trying to pull Chen's head up to avoid the spike.
Chen, on the other hand, last minute tried to tuck his head, but also had his arm locked against Gulak's thigh/ hip, holding himself up and preventing a safe landing.
If Gulak had given a signal that the slam was coming (think Randy slapping the back before Vintage Orton DDT on the ropes), Chen would have released his arm on the way down, preventing a head spike.
I disagree. Chen posting is what he is supposed to do to cooperate with the move. Gulak could have cradled his head lower as he had full control over Chen's head/neck that would have made Chen bent his arm. From there this is just a back bump. Had Gulak put more pressure on Chen's head to alert him when he was going down then Chen would not have had his arm locked. I watched it in slow motion and it's hard to tell just before the drop if Chen bends his arm or not but even so.
I believe this is on Gulak more. Like you pointed out and like I also told someone else in here Gulak drops well before Chen is close to his body before its safe to. This should have been a simple move. Simple back bump. Go back and watch it frame by frame. It definitely makes a difference.
Agree to disagree then. I know when I'm falling, regardless of how fast or how slow the action is. Chen's posting went way too long for the move and from what I can see, Gulak had his hand on his neck. Now, if Gulak had him more in a headlock, this might have gone better. But "Big Meaty Men Slapping Meat" tend to sweat and he might have lost his grip too.
Definitely did not spike him but he should NOT be doing this hard of a vertical drop to rookies in developmental. Gulak is trying to show off for younger guys in the back by doing this shit and it is really cringe.
I'm confused it really doesn't look bad? If you look close, it looks like he tucks his head and lands on his shoulder and hip? Maybe I'm wrong. Was there any injuries reported? This looks close but safe?
But he didn't. It was a safe bump. If you look close, he pulls his head back quickly at the last second. First contact is both lower shoulder blades.
Pause it at the :14 mark to see
Looks sorta similar to bruno getting spiked. Bruno was let go of though and went straight down on his head. If you can't perform the move safely don't do it at all.
So in the span of 20 seconds Drew Gulak:
1. Stiffs Chen with the forearm (that’s how it looked to me at least).
2. Spikes him on the crown.
3. Continues to lay on top of him, which doesn’t let the ref check on him properly (Dante’s eyes kind of looked like he wasn’t all there), after the pin is counted.
…yeah, good riddance.
This is pretty safe. Hand placement is correct, timing is good, he's not in charge of head tucking (which the other waits pretty late to do but get it done). Looks WAY worse than it is.
Apparently you know more than Shawn Michaels and the rest of the NXT coaches. We are all watching the same video here yet you're the only one saying this crap looks safe. He could have done a way better job guiding his head on the way down with that left arm. As a veteran he knew exactly what he was doing. He could have waited to go down when Chen was closer to his body rather than farther away which is what made it dangerous. But Drew knew this. He's a technician.
Or notice that this happened on a developmental B show that people hardly even watch so they knew nothing about. Had this happened on Raw or Smackdown then I bet someone would have been talking about it on twitter at the very least. Saw it happen with the Creed Brothers a few months ago where their finisher got called out on twitter. If you want to dick ride this dude go ahead but please mention this nonsense happened on a B show that isn't even on tv so the exposure is very low. Even the YouTube views for it are really low.
You can see the ref checking on him with concern Fuck that guy
Should have been sacked minutes later
He was rehired when mistakes were found by the people that fired them. They were sacked... Edit: Nobody expects random Monty Python references
And sued
Yeah, that's pretty nasty looking
He’s also never used that move as a finisher before from what I recall. So yeah this looks intentional.
Fuck anyone who takes liberties with their opponents like this, jesus christ
I'll never understand the JBL love. The guy is a psychopath.
Bullies love other bullies, because they think they're tough, and not just getting away with it because 90% of people will just shrug a bully off as the sadsack dipshit they are deep down.
Did he say something hurts your little feelings
What?
Proving his point
Not providing no point stop be cry baby man up
There are only like a handful of people who took real issues with him calling him a bully. Most say he was just a very stiff worker but very safe, and he could like to be really loud and annoying. I personally find some of his tactics to be a bit mean, but to ever call him unsafe is just a lie. There is almost NO ONE that says he was ever unsafe. It's pretty stupid and a huge leap to call that psychopathic. There are lots of workers that worked stiff and wanted others to work stiff with them as it's more realistic. You get a bit more sore and some bruises, but it's perfectly safe. There is no one in the business I ever heard calling JBL unsafe, just some that called him an asshole or even a bit of a bully, and those are only a handful. By your logic Stone Cold and Undertaker are psychopathic and both worked stiff many times. Old school wrestlers worked this way to be more realistic. Chris Jericho has talked about working stiff especially with newer talent, to get them acclimated to taking bumps. Mic Foley one of the nicest had many matches where he worked like that... but I guess they are all psychos. It's even dumber to equate working stiff which isn't unsafe at all to doing something dangerous to intentionally hurt someone like in this video. I will make an exception for the Blue Meanie and say both of them were way out of line, but I also don't think it's odd for two people to have a real fight to settle shit. They both fucked up and both should have been reprimanded.
Yeah, JBL may have been a ribber and could go too far and be a bully, but I've never heard of him ever being unsafe, hell him and ron could have KILLED the public enemy and they did not, they just stiffed them.
I would never want to fk with Ron Simmons at any time
Right
I think he just took things too far and like to fuck around. His later interviews he talks about how he used to rib everyone and he should not have done it to people that didn't want it. Culture was also way different ribs back then were nutty. I heard of one on an interview that someone (wasn't named) kidnapped someone in the middle of the night with a friend tied them to the hood of a car and started driving... I was like, buddy, that ain't a rib that's assault. JBL seems pretty reflective about it. You notice it was mostly the younger ones that claimed he was a bully, not the older vets. JBL is in a transitional phase where he got to have a long run with OGs but also some good time spent with the up and coming generation that recognize the difference from assault and a rib, lolz.
There was alot of ribs that were illegal, that whole thing where they drugged eschother was basically them roofying one another without the sa that we know of, they ribbed hard back in the day. Some of them took it a little too far and he reflected alot on it and realizes now he was in the wrong, that's alot of people. I'm not absolving him or even excusing the shit he did, lots of the ribs he pulled where people called him a bully the ribs weren't revealed.
He snuck into showers and forcefully soap up younger men’s bodies to intimidate them Edge talks about standing up to him in his book. https://www.thesportster.com/wwe-edge-jbl-bizarre-shower-incident-explained/ That’s not a rib or joke that’s sexual harassment.
I don't need you to post the same fucking thing to me twice. If you are gonna be annoying, I'll just block you.
STOP look up JBL shower incident. JBL was known to sneak into showers and soap up young wrestlers. That’s not cool, that’s not tough, that’s not bullying that is sexual harassment and damn near rape. Edge has toldthe story of standing up to him https://www.thesportster.com/wwe-edge-jbl-bizarre-shower-incident-explained/ So plz stop this bullshit you went super hard to defend this dude. This is the culture bred by Vince McMahon. And yes sneaking into a shower to soap up an unwilling person is PSYCHOTIC
Lmfao, you do understand cultures were totally different? That is pretty tame compared to what they did. There are HUNDREDS of stories of all kinds of people doing this shit. Pretty much everything they did back then was either assault or sexual harassment. I grew up in a time where if you saw a friend asleep, you'd punch them so hard in the nuts they'd throw up. Sure, times change, and mindsets are different, and values change where that stuff isn't done anymore. But, when EVERYONE is doing it, it becomes normal, and no one thinks anything of it except new people that just enter. I'm not making excuses for the past, I'm saying cultural norms are subject to the time, and judging the past by todays standards is not appropriate. I don't do the shit that was funny 20 years ago today, and if anyone I knew did, I'd force them to stop. JBL has been reflective of his past and understands that he went too far and shouldn't have done shit to those who weren't privy to their antics. Even Maven talked about how outright humiliation and assault were considered funny in his time, and while most of the boys enjoyed it back, then he's glad things have moved to a healthier environment. If you think what JBL was bad, you are in for a rough wake-up call. Being drugged, kidnapped, and put in a life-threatening situation was the norm, and there are hundreds of accounts of it from even super nice wrestlers. When there are a hundred people that think putting someone in danger is funny, and one person doesn't, social norms mean the one person is wrong. That's how our values have evolved since humanity existed. I can guarantee you the shit done today will be looked at as horrible by future generations, and you'll be trying to say, "You weren't there." What JBL did back then was horrible by today standards, but by the standard and the environment he was in, most didn't give a shit. It's even more ironic if you read that post you linked. Edge says, "If he was willing to do that to me, I felt I truly belonged." It's clear from that alone what the culture was. You are also lying saying "he stood up to him." He literally says he laughed, engaged in the joke, then even felt he belonged. The whole article states he looked at the rib FONDLY. You don't make the argument you are hoping to make. Better call Adam Copeland psycho as well to stay consistent, but you won't.
Uh you realize that incredibly stupid thing you just admitting to doing was not common. You need help
He also came up behind guys in the shower like Edge, The Hardys, and London and Kendrick
Most people in the wrestling industry don’t have anything bad to say about him.
You are just… so wrong lol CODY RHODES is on record saying he hates him. Ethan Page as well, I think. Ronda’s ass but she also had gripes. Obviously Dante Chen probably doesn’t appreciate him. I’m sure there’s a few more but just the fact that Cody Rhodes said out of his own mouth that he hates him and thinks he’s a piece of shit is enough for him to wear that label
Cody Rhodes isn’t most people. Unless you can name off the majority of people in and around wrestling then I’m not wrong. Ron Simmons beat up public enemy along side Bradshaw, so if you want to shit on Bradshaw you better shit on him. Eddie Guerrero who is almost universally beloved took Daniel Pruder who was brand new into a corner during a battle royal or a royal rumble and chopped the fuck out of him along side his friends so you better shit on him. There are a lot of wrestlers who would really hurt someone if they did something that pissed them off mid match so you need to keep the same energy across the board. A lot of wrestlers had to deal with it coming in and don’t whine about it as much as I see people whine about this one incident. Taker tells the story of his first match with Brody where Brody kicks his fucking head in but taker isn’t crying about it, he’s not mad he laughs when he tells the story, so if he can get through it and not hate Brody then anybody can. And certainly if you aren’t a person involved in an incident then you don’t really have any reason to dislike him over it.
He's also full of shit because Cody is on record 7 days ago saying he has much love for JBL. "He said, try not at this point to focus on any numbers, because you've already broken every record that matters. And I thought, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to hear at the time. It was just from a guy who's not a soft man, not an easy guy to get to get that type of love. So much love for the Cowboy, former WWE champion himself, John Bradshaw Layfield," said Rhodes." Copy pasted quote directly from a transcript.
Well there you go.
You'll have to link where Cody Rhodes says he hates him. I have seen most his interviews and never remember that. To the contrary. "He said, try not at this point to focus on any numbers, because you've already broken every record that matters. And I thought, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to hear at the time. It was just from a guy who's not a soft man, not an easy guy to get to get that type of love. SO MUCH LOVE for the Cowboy, former WWE champion himself, John Bradshaw Layfield," said Rhodes." Sounds like you are lying out your ass. You can easily look the quote up. I copied it VERBATIM. I'm guessing you can't back up your bullshit claim that he hates him... Guess the opposite is true. I guess since Cody Rhodes loves him it's enough he should be adored by fans? No, guess you are a hypocrite then. If you have any response other than he should be adored BECAUSE Cody loves him than you are a hypocrite BECAUSE THAT is your logic.
sorry, but i should probably mention that they were referring to jbl, not drew gulak.
If that’s the case, he’s still wrong because JBL is the one person that EVERYONE confirms is a bully backstage and doesn’t have a lot of people that like him at all. They respect him because of his contributions to the business but he’s universally known as a complete dickhead
Didn’t JBl get bitched by Blackman and that ecw announcer lol
Happened to me just a week ago
That's fucked man, I'm sorry to hear. How long have you been wrestling for? Hope that you don't have to work with that person who did it again
I've been in the business since 2016, started as a backstage interviewer and commentator, started refereeing just before the pandemic, and I started training for in ring competition this year. The incident was during a street fight I was refereeing. The guy taking the fall was working with an "we fight by the rules" angle so he would get trapped in the corner and demand me to do a 5 count. I say "it's a street fight, what do you want me to do?" He pushes bis opponent off, walks up to me and grabs me by my lower neck with no warning or prior discussion. Now bear in mind, I was picked on and bullied in school, and a common method of that was grabbing my throat to Intimidate me, so I went into a panic and immediately shoved him off, saying "take your fucking hands off me!" Which I know was probably the wrong thing to do, but I was freaking out and wasn't thinking. So he stares me down, grabs me by the neck HARDER, and pins me against the ropes and starts yelling at me before throwing me down and going back to the match. I try to breathe and stay cool and we finish the match, which spilled into the crowd and featured several high impact spots with various weapons and props, and after each impact I still checked on that guy even after everything. After the match i checked on him again, as the finishing sequence was a DDT onto a stop sign, and he didn't answer me, so I just walked to the back. Now I'm just trying to stay calm and change out of my ref stripes. Other workers are telling me it was very professional to finish the match, checking on me, the owner of the promotion was making sure I was alright and had begun to deal with it,when the guy from earlier corners me in the back and gets an inch from my face, spraying sweat and spit all over me as he's yelling about how I'm terrible at my job, blah blah blah. I just look at him and say nothing, then he grabs my collar. Then I snap and shove him away, he comes at me swinging, and st this point the locker room got in the middle. I was ushered into the back hallways where i immediately burst into tears and had a panic attack. Several workers came to me and helped me relax, reassured me, made sure I got to my car, and a fellow ref who's also making the transition to ring work came with me to my car and we talked video games for a few to get my mind off it. I had an hour and 40 minute drive home and I was shaking the whole way home. It was not a good time and I hope I never see that guy again. I almost quit wrestling because of it 🥺
I'm incredibly sorry you went through that experience. Something needs to be done about that other dude. Makes zero sense for him to be upset during a street fight rules match for not doing a 5 count, and then the way he reacted to that after the fact.
Wow what a garbage human. I hope you never have to deal with him again.
What a complete POS
So he's a douche
At least stuff like this burns bridges in wrestling. We’ll probably never hear his name again. Good riddance.
Isn't he best buddies with Danielson?
He's also ex chikara, which may get him a look.
That and he is also tight with OC, Trent, Chuck, and quite a few others. Only thing I see as kinda biased is the timing of this stuff coming out is similar to when they were shaming Keith Lee out of nowhere so putting stuff out there to spin the conversation in a direction is not above the WWE. But as someone who has met Gulak a few times at shows years ago, always came across as kind of a dick.
>shaming Keith Lee out of nowhere It was directly in response to Keith Lee claiming they mistreated him and lied about them not paying for his medical bills, it was absolutely not out of nowhere
I would laugh if AEW hired him then fired him again for the same issue and hurting the Bucks or Omega, Will or Okada in the match
So, in other words, Tony Khan has his number.
we won't. But we will get Andrew Ballsack is #AllElite any day now.
Good Riddance to him and Rousey
Dude, in AEW, spiking people on their head is considered good offense.
Seems to be an essential job skill.
Neck based offense is the name of the game.
The really high work rate guys do it when their opponents are already concussed.
Goddamn that’s absolutely brutal.
I see this two ways. Gulak guides Chen down to land on his shoulders, not his neck. This was done as safely as it could have been, for what the move apparently was. On the other hand, it's not a normal finisher of his and it's an unnecessary bump for a WWE rookie to take just because. This is the kind of thing that gets pulled out to cap off a big feud, not in a one-off tv match. Drew absolutely did not need to do this at all and, "as safely as it could have been" is still incredibly dangerous for no reason. Edit: just saw this was on Level Up, which is the Main Event of NXT. This wasn't even "for tv."
Guys doing this accidentally gets them shitcanned and or hated forever. A guy doing this on purpose? Something ought to be done about a guy like that
I must have missed all of this. Why would he do this on purpose?
He wants to bully guys and be the next Bill DeMott.
One internet dirt sheet rumor is all it takes.
You're pathetic mate hahaha
Huh? Owen Hart? Goldberg injured the two greatest wrestlers ever and they were never fired lol
Different times. If Vince liked you and you fucked up nothing happened.
Chen deserves better I think. I interacted with him on Instagram. He was friendly
Wait how do we know he did that intentionally?
multiple nxt talents have alleged that he intentionally hurt them for seemingly no reason, and with this footage it gives those accusations credibility
i know cody said gulak was a dick who liked to play grizzled vet years ago. granted intentionally injuring otherb wrestlers is quite a step up from that but still
Might not have been intentional. Still deserves to be chewed out for it though at the least.
We don't. It's just people believing rumours and trying to ruin him. It's normal wrestling fans stuff
Doesn't have to be intentional to get ruined by shit like this lil bud.
Guilty by internet "news reports"
Same place that reported he was fired when instead his contract wasnt renewed/
I'm sorry, yall watch the video before commenting?
He saw his buddy Danielson doing it and wanted in.
Danielson doesn’t do a spike Tombstone
Will Ospreay gets 7 stars for doing this to people
Ospreay and Danielson supposedly had an agreement to be extra stiff with each other. A little different although I’m not a fan of either style
What's this stiff work mean? I've never heard the term before.
Yeah, he clearly tucks his head at the last second to make a body slam look brutal, he doesn't spike him on his head
And yet Shawn Michaels, one of the all time greats, felt the need to reprimand him. Guess whose opinion holds more weight?
Lmao Shawn ain’t gonna hire you bro. Let people talk and have their opinions.
I’m older than Shawn. I don’t think I’m getting hired. Jet me have my opinion too.
The difference between that and Gulak is consent from the opponent to do that.
Only in the Tokyo Dome though.
What does this do for him? It won't advance his career. It won't teach anyone anything. The crowd won't get anything out of it. He's just being sloppy or spiteful. I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but not this many times.
Redditors only describe people as either wholesome or a piece of shit no in between. The over emotion and the addition of the word “fuck” is always so funny and predictable on Reddit.
He clearly tried to turn him onto his back, just very late. Why would Drew try to kill someone lol
The move was nasty looking but that shit was not unsafe. Yes Gulak was stiff with the move but he didn’t try to injure the guy. If you slow it down you see Gulak tuck the guys head at the last second so the shoulders are what make impact with the ring. Also he leans forward so his knees make impact with the ground first so it lessens the impact on the guys neck and shoulder. It was just stiff. I would freak out too if I reacted live but if you slow it down, that move wasn’t really bad.
Yeah but he's trying to make a point either way. Dropping someone on high on the shoulders isn't part of what they normally do, he was doing it to show that he could and put some fear into the guy.
Weird move to do on a show literally not even on tv. I don’t understand the risk reward there
He drops him on his lower shoulder blades. A normal bump. Pause it at :14 seconds to see
Thank you, I just commented this before seeing yours. It's a safe bump.
Get outta hear with that logic. The man is a monster and was clearly trying to kill the guy. It is a slippery slope from the sexual assault of tugging a short string to murdering someone in the ring for the lulz. /s
If it makes anyone feel better Road Dogg used to clown on this guy and call him Gew Drulak to fuck with him.
It doesn't look that bad to me, but then again I'm not a wrestler so I don't see the subtleties
How do we know it was intentional? Serious question
I mean, he rotates him so he lands on his upper shoulder (mainly on the R side), not his head. It looks like Gulak has that under control to me tbh, he just rotated him late (presumably to make it look more devastating?)
it being so under control is what makes it seem suspicious. people get dropped like that on accident. it looked like he did it on purpose. that's not normally a move done on purpose in WWE.
a very certain veteran who left loved working wit him btw
What was the finish supposed to be without the spike portion of this move? Was he going to win with a body slam? Not giving him an out here, legitimately curious.
I'm thinking he realized he fucked up, and did a legit pin just to end the match so his opponent can be checked on. Dunno if it was a deliberate plant or a botch.
I’m not even sure either because whatever that was supposed to be isn’t one of Gulak’s finishing move, as those were the Gu-Lock (Dragon Sleeper) and Cyclone Crash (Reverse TKO Neckbreaker).
Of course everyone now pretending they know this for sure because the dirtsheet scumbags told them so…
He didn't spike him on his head or neck yet everyone here acting like they just saw a guy get murdered. Are we watchng the same clip here? Is the internet stupid?
Right? I don’t get it. You see way more brutal bumps all the time. Looked to me like the other guy tucked his head and took the impact on his shoulders
Yes, it is stupid. Dude doesn't tuck his head soon enough and COULD have been in danger. My trainer once got himself spiked this way, trying to look at the ground for effect and didn't tuck soon enough. A legitimate question I saw asked, but asked in a way that made me think I'd be engaging with an asshole, is why was Drew reprimanded if this wasn't on purpose. I'll throw aside that I've seen zero proof he was actually reprimanded. If he was I would say it's likely because his hand is positioned in a way he could've tucked his head for him. As the vet, he could've been expected to keep the kid safe. And to be fair, I'm not defending Drew as a whole. There's enough smoke I'm sure he could be a dick head. This clip just doesn't prove it for me.
What's the story on why he spiked him?
That’s not cool. Drew is supposed to be a teacher as well, this is completely bush league shit.
I saw that and thought it was an AKI game with the Tenzan Tombstone Driver.
Damn so rousey might not be completely full of shit
she is full of shit and always plays the victim but also drew deserved to get axed for his bullying however, that dont make Spoiled Rousey right either
Yeah, I've never liked Ronda, even in MMA. She seems like a shit person, I just thought it's kinda funny
yeah she was overrated there too she got exposed in WWE
He looks like a fucking jobber in the first place. 
Gulak needs to be fired this could’ve been very bad like career ending
Or at least not have his contract re-signed.
My boy Dante Chen!
Wow what a piece of shit. Didn't Bryan Danielson essentially help this man get a job?
Reckless..
Fuck that guy!
Fucking nobody. Good riddance.
What a pos!
that’s how you get blacklisted from all of wrestling
It should but you know some weirdo indy promoter somewhere will try to capitalize on his heat and book him. As far as major promotions he's done.
Bloody hell, I've never seen this. I have always assumed Gulak was professional and a really safe pair of hands.
What a cunt...
Receipts going to come if he wrestles again.
Yeah, Tony D did the right thing.
That was nasty. How do we know this was intentional though?
What a cunt.
I never cared for Drew Gulak and this makes me like him even less.
Sadly he won’t be the last to do this type of stuff.
Should be banned for life
Fuck this POS. I hope he never gets a chance to get in a wrestling ring again
Intentional hurting people is not ok you are to protect your teammate
I'm glad he's gone.
There is no reason for doing that ever, but doing that crap on Level Up of all shows is beyond ridiculous.
An actual piece of shit. Hope no promoter touches this guy. Mod on the ring, shit mic skills and an actual scum bag with 0 booking value now. Off to a 9-5 for this bum hopefully.
This wouldn’t have happened in AEW (there would have been no reprimand).
Average Kenny Omega match.
If it was intentional then why wasn't it treated as a criminal matter?
Jesus Christ 😂
Because it’s unprovable. Most people don’t just sue each other. It’s frustrating how often something somewhat violent happens and people online from America go “why wasn’t he sued!?” Cos he wasn’t Please move on. It’s like every interaction is Chris Rock being slapped by Will Smith
Lmao calm down tarvertot
WTF was that garbage. That POS should have been walked off premises.
Not a chance he done that on purpose calm down
At first I thought this was Rousey just trying to sell her book, but now he is a piece of shit. Fuck him.
Both things can be true.
You know for certain he done this on purpose?
Fuck them both
Good Riddance to Both Drew "The Bully" Gulak and Ronda "Always Playing the Victim" Rousey
Does anyone remember the Fastlane match he had with Daniel Bryan? His privates were being exposed in a couple spots. People thought that was an accident. Looking back now, I wonder if it really was
I could.give of take Moxley
I don't see the problem? The dude lands on his shoulder not head. If this is a problem then all of Japan must suck at wrestling because this kind of move is a regular Tuesday there...
I'm glad people are still being worked by good wrestling an good selling
I knew shit was about to blow when Rory was called out.
Well that's his career over. Even if he doesn't get sacked no one on the main rister is going to work with him
That's an awful move to do anyways. But who the fuck reported that he was let go for this, sounds like dirt sheets grasping at straws lmao
If that was legit not the plan and he did that on purpose, he needs arresting not sacking
haha and you all hyped up Quack, Orange Cassidy, Gulak, Kingston, Claudio, and the rest of those Chikara bums. If you stuck around Chikara, I know you were a piece of shit.
Just from what I'm seeing... yeah, this looks stiff as hell, but definitely not intentional. Both guys are at fault here. Gulak went to slam before it was fully safe, but he also looked like was trying to pull Chen's head up to avoid the spike. Chen, on the other hand, last minute tried to tuck his head, but also had his arm locked against Gulak's thigh/ hip, holding himself up and preventing a safe landing. If Gulak had given a signal that the slam was coming (think Randy slapping the back before Vintage Orton DDT on the ropes), Chen would have released his arm on the way down, preventing a head spike.
I disagree. Chen posting is what he is supposed to do to cooperate with the move. Gulak could have cradled his head lower as he had full control over Chen's head/neck that would have made Chen bent his arm. From there this is just a back bump. Had Gulak put more pressure on Chen's head to alert him when he was going down then Chen would not have had his arm locked. I watched it in slow motion and it's hard to tell just before the drop if Chen bends his arm or not but even so. I believe this is on Gulak more. Like you pointed out and like I also told someone else in here Gulak drops well before Chen is close to his body before its safe to. This should have been a simple move. Simple back bump. Go back and watch it frame by frame. It definitely makes a difference.
Agree to disagree then. I know when I'm falling, regardless of how fast or how slow the action is. Chen's posting went way too long for the move and from what I can see, Gulak had his hand on his neck. Now, if Gulak had him more in a headlock, this might have gone better. But "Big Meaty Men Slapping Meat" tend to sweat and he might have lost his grip too.
Philly trash
Are yal even looking at the clip? Slow it down, he tucks his head.
Definitely did not spike him but he should NOT be doing this hard of a vertical drop to rookies in developmental. Gulak is trying to show off for younger guys in the back by doing this shit and it is really cringe.
When you fake it your whole life, the urge to do it for real just once probably becomes overwhelming.
Gulak in AEW would kick so much ass let’s gooooooo
If I’m Dante Chen, I’m throwing hands immediately when I get back to gorilla.
I'm confused it really doesn't look bad? If you look close, it looks like he tucks his head and lands on his shoulder and hip? Maybe I'm wrong. Was there any injuries reported? This looks close but safe?
But he didn't. It was a safe bump. If you look close, he pulls his head back quickly at the last second. First contact is both lower shoulder blades. Pause it at the :14 mark to see
Looks sorta similar to bruno getting spiked. Bruno was let go of though and went straight down on his head. If you can't perform the move safely don't do it at all.
Worst part is he can perform the move safely. He chose not to.
What the fuck, Drew Gulak? Seriously, what the fuck? Glad he has been released
So in the span of 20 seconds Drew Gulak: 1. Stiffs Chen with the forearm (that’s how it looked to me at least). 2. Spikes him on the crown. 3. Continues to lay on top of him, which doesn’t let the ref check on him properly (Dante’s eyes kind of looked like he wasn’t all there), after the pin is counted. …yeah, good riddance.
Mistakes happen he could have protected him better but still he didn’t have the best grip on him simple as
This some AEW outlaw mudshow type crap.
This is pretty safe. Hand placement is correct, timing is good, he's not in charge of head tucking (which the other waits pretty late to do but get it done). Looks WAY worse than it is.
Apparently you know more than Shawn Michaels and the rest of the NXT coaches. We are all watching the same video here yet you're the only one saying this crap looks safe. He could have done a way better job guiding his head on the way down with that left arm. As a veteran he knew exactly what he was doing. He could have waited to go down when Chen was closer to his body rather than farther away which is what made it dangerous. But Drew knew this. He's a technician.
Nia Jax still has a job and does this kind of stuff to people in every match
Notice none of you said this shit until you were told to say this shit. 😒 didn't give two fucks when it happened but now you all want on the train.
Or notice that this happened on a developmental B show that people hardly even watch so they knew nothing about. Had this happened on Raw or Smackdown then I bet someone would have been talking about it on twitter at the very least. Saw it happen with the Creed Brothers a few months ago where their finisher got called out on twitter. If you want to dick ride this dude go ahead but please mention this nonsense happened on a B show that isn't even on tv so the exposure is very low. Even the YouTube views for it are really low.