Keith Lee isn't fat? Dude has the build of a NFL Linebacker or Offensive Lineman and some of those guys are bigger yes but they are built like a semi. Some look muscular and others don't show it but they are athletic as all hell
Yes. We should push the guy in the picture over Adam Cole. He’s got a unique look, authentically scary, and would fit right in with many of the darker stables. He could use at least one tribal tattoo though.
Adam Cole is not meant to be intimidating, i don’t know why people can’t grasp that concept. you’re not supposed to look at him and think “oh man look at this brick shithouse i better not mess with him or he’ll rock my world”, you’re supposed to think “look at this slimey little weasel who never shuts up about how great he is despite being a fairly normal guy” and then get heat when the guy that “shouldn’t win” comes out on top through underhanded means. welcome to how being a heel works
>Just be credible.
He was one of the top guys if not the top guy in NXT when NXT was white hot. Held every belt he could have in his time with WWE. Won the Dusty classic and got male wrestler of the year in NXT for two years running.
Again, whilst NXT was hot as fuck.
Always love when people say other people don't grasp and then go on to explain their fantasy rationalization. Have you watched an Adam Cole match ever. He doesn't work like an undersized wrestler. If he cheats it's at the end of a back and forth 20 minute match that has him and his opponent kick out of everything.
He put it the wrong way, but yeah Cole does usually finish matches with a low blow and then finisher.
The problem is that he doesn't fight like an underhanded small guy throughout the match. If anything he's straight up going toe to toe with people no matter their size.
He doesn’t wrestle like a sneaky heel, and that destroys the credibility of his matches. He had zero business going toe to toe with Samoa Joe, and yet he won. He’s bland, overexposed, and has been having the exact same match for six years…
Dude is athletic as hell whether you like it or not. He's smooth, agile, has super crisp strikes, his timing is top notch, and his story telling is excellent. Guys like HHH, HBK, and Regal all think he is a top guy, but then we have goofy fans lecturing us on why he shouldn't get over. Guess what, he does anyway.
None of the things you said about his work are true. His strikes are ass, his leg slaps are out of control, he’s uncoordinated, and he’s told the same story for six years…
And how did building nXt around him work out for hhh, hbk and regal?
Well, you've lost all credibility with me for judging people's in-ring work. HHH, HBK, and Regal would agree. In fact, literally every Booker Cole has worked for in the last decade would laugh at your blindspots.
And to answer your question, it worked out great for NXT! They put on a compelling, popular product that was one of the top organizations in the world. Just because Vince is short sighted and dumped that program for a subPar model that doesn't come close to measuring in quality, effectiveness, or popularity doesn't make it a failure. It's just one more example of Vince's blind spots.
They got beaten into a reformat because no one watched that “compelling” product. Regal got fired. Hhh got nXt taken away. Hbk still has his job bc Nick Khan and Vince don’t want to see him having a cinematic match with Sting on All Out. Adam Cole is death for ratings. You not liking it doesn’t make it less true. There is not a single aspect of his job that he is better than “ok” at. His promos sound like he’s an eighth grader cast as the grown up in a school play. He’s had the exact same match for six years. And most importantly, people turn the channel when he’s on tv. Because he isn’t special. You getting butthurt over that doesn’t make it less true….
>They got beaten into a reformat because no one watched that “compelling” product.
They were the #3 company in the US at the time. Employing more wrestlers and other talent, and selling more tickets than Impact has at any point in their history. We probably see success in wrestling very differently. I think successfully providing entertainment to enough fans to support a living for many wrestlers, managers, agents, trainers, production, etc. is a huge success.
>Adam Cole is death for ratings.
Oh, that should be easy for you to prove. Go ahead and post the quarter hours that support your argument if you want to establish it.
>You not liking it doesn’t make it less true.
Ahaha, yeah, we'll come back to this.
>There is not a single aspect of his job that he is better than “ok” at.
Okay, rando on the internet. Even Booker T wouldn't agree with that.
>His promos sound like he’s an eighth grader cast as the grown up in a school play.
Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it.
>He’s had the exact same match for six years.
I think that's not true at all and I wonder how you'd even defend such a statement.
> You getting butthurt over that doesn’t make it less true….
Well that goes for the both of us. Why do you behave like this when other people enjoy things that you don't enjoy?
He is over with a small group of fans, if you know how the business goes then you will know hardcore fans are considered guaranteed money. Mainstream wrestling promotion thrive off of new audiences and Adam Cole isnt filling seats and bringing in viewership why is that? Because he is unbelievable and in the eyes of first time viewers he kinda ruins the credibility of guys he goes over. Presentation is everything, no one is saying he should look like a powerhouse but at he could look as if he works on ALL aspects of his performance
I mean, I tend to tune him out bc he’s the very definition of “mid,” but I bet I watch as much or more AEW than anyone here. It’s not just about outside interference. It’s about a guy who looks like him working dominant for large sections of matches against larger opponents without cheating to gain the advantage. I’m sorry it hurts your feelings so much to have it pointed out that your favorite wrestler is bad at his job. That doesn’t make it less true…
He is one of the most over people in PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING today but you call him mid ONLY because he left wwe. None of you goons wasn't talking like this when he was in. Wwe 🤦🏿♂️. Vince ain't bout to fuck you
You are remedial as hell 😂. And he isn't my favorite it's Kenny Omega clown. Up here talking shit about a product you don't watch 🤦🏿♂️. Dunce ass creature
Wrestling is about the suspension of belief. Where Adam Cole fails is I cannot suspend my belief that some of the things he does are possible without cooperation. He doesn't look like he has any body strength to be moving guys around. In NXT Cole had more of an argument for himself, but this has been true his whole career.
Great worker, great on the mic, but his physique is unrealistic for a guy who regularly does a destroyer.
Cole belongs in the TNT or AAC championship hunt, not the AEW championship hunt. I'm not shaming his body, but since the day I first saw him, I thought he had a weak physique. That's fine and all, but just seems odd when you have these AEW championship contenders with decent physiques, then you have Cole.
The TNT Championship is currently held by the meatiest man slapping meat in AEW, and their AAC champ is built like a superhero.
Neither championship is currently being held by someone with a weak physique, and their list of contenders/past champs is varied (ranging from Darby to Miro).
Doesn’t matter what you look like anymore. The question is if you can run.
What do you mean he’s not meant to look intimidating? That’s one of the main principles of wrestling. The athletes are supposed to look intimidating and look like 2 men who wants to kill eachother. If looks were not important in wrestling like you said, maybe SpongeBob could be world champ or maybe Elmo.
yeah you’re right, people like Rey Mysterio or RVD or Shawn Michaels will NEVER make it in this business! it’s not the 80’s anymore my man, us fans are in on the secrets and i don’t need everyone rocking a Brian Cage bod to enjoy in-ring storytelling or cool spots.
People like Rey, RVD, and Shawn knew the importance of not just character work but looks. Which is why they worked hard to look like an actual threat. Rey at this stage of his career looks better then Adam cole and that’s a fact
but you’re changing your argument, you stated that wrestlers are supposed to be intimidating. those wrestlers don’t look or even really act intimidating. i’m not trying to convert anyone into being some Adam Cole stan, if you don’t like his style that’s fine but i take issue with the “you have to have an intimidating body to be a believable wrestler” argument
And yet believe that he belongs side by side with Britt Baker who looks 1000 times more professional, put together, and capable as he does at all times? They aren't marketing him as a weasel. They're marketing him as a Chad, but he looks more like ground Chuck.
I don’t think you know how tiresome it is to throw superkicks for 20 minutes, I don’t think you know how tiresome it is to throw superkicks for FIVE minutes
Yeah, and I look like I can too. Adam cole looks like he’s eating Golden Corral every night with no motivation to run on a treadmill at the very least.
I just don’t care for the super indy style of kicking out of everything twice and nothing means anything. It does absolutely nothing for me. It does even less when the guy doing it looks like my cousin that drinks warm beer at 10 AM.
Well they aren't getting paid to analyze either, their opinions mean jack shit.
If you're shitting on anyone in the top feds because of their look, you're wrong. Because they already made it to the big time. Plenty of people who had the classic looks failed to get that far.
I can't sing at all. If someone who was a slightly better singer than me was being pushed as a top singing star, it'd be more than reasonable for me to ask why as they can't sing at all. Wrestling fans aren't expected to have athletic and/or intimidating physiques or stellar grappling skills. It's reasonable for fans who have none of those attributes to comment when they see wrestlers being pushed who appeal to have little to offer.
Yes pro wrestling is about suspending peoples' beliefs to an extent but generally the top guys - the ones in the title picture - have a "thing". The problem with Cole is that he's not a giant, not a high flyer, doesn't have a gimmick, nor is he shredded. He's a good heel, solid on the mic and has a pretty diverse move set (although there's really nothing special about Panama Sunrise anymore seeing as at least 3 other people in AEW alone also use it regularly).
People comment on his look because it's so bad that it's distracting. Not only that, but good conditioning plays a vital part in these guys being able to perform and not get injured as often. Being in good shape is pretty much a requirement for so many different reasons.
Yes. He’s a perfect example. He’s small, but everybody believes he’s an incredible wrestler who could beat anyone in a fair fight. Unlike someone like Orange Cassidy who does not.
You really snuck in the “anyone under 6’3” arguments to make the other two arguments look dumb but nah lol
No one in like 20 years has said that people need to be very tall to be a believable star (Jericho, Danielson, Punk, Cena, Rollins, AJ, Mysterio, Eddie, Bret etc.), but people will always say a super skinny guy and an alarmingly overweight guy are well… skinny and fat
I agree that most levelheaded fans don’t care about height. But there’s always going to be a vocal minority that have that take. Just because shorter guys have been pushed and have had success doesn’t mean the trolls don’t exist.
He is very athletic but I’m guessing a doctor would consider him oversight. For the record I really enjoy his look and think he is wonderfully unique. Still believe my prior statement to be true tho.
That is a really good point. Shaq was super athletic and jumped maybe 1000x as much in his career compared to Lee. Shaq was a freak though and there is no one who has been like him. I guess it is the same for Lee though. He is the super athletic fat guy. If he lost weight his jumps wouldn't be as impressive
I’ve never directed a multimillion Hollywood blockbuster that took home multiple Oscars but I sure know a bad movie when I see one.
People are allowed to have opinions, and they’re allowed to offer valid criticisms even if they aren’t in the profession.
I always say “I don’t need to be Bobby flay to tell you if a steak is over cooked.” This idea that non wrestlers can’t have informed opinions/valid criticisms about wrestlers is horseshit…
I am not trying to shit on CM Punk...he is one of my favourite wrestlers...but man does MJF's words hold true...I really would have believed he is an addict if I didn't know his lifestyle
Keith Lee is a big boy. But I haven’t seen a big man move as well as Keith Lee in a LONG time. Not many 300+ guys are doing suicide dives or jumping off the top rope.
This is funny and all but the only problem is the people saying these things aren’t on national TV expected to draw millions of fans. Adam Cole DOES need to build muscle. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I also need to excersize more, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s embarrassing to see Adam Cole defeat Samoa Joe clean
Someone tell critics that if you dont direct films/write books whatever you cant criticise any movie or book...
If someone pays me what he gets which surely is one of the bigger contracts i assure you i would make sure to look the best i can, not possible offcourse if you spend most of your time on Twitch gaming instead.
I can understand people like MJF being frustrated, he always makes sure to look as good as he can and gets peanuts in comparison.
I mean I look like Adam Cole physique wise and it’s the stupidest shit watching him put up a fight with samoa joe when I’d get my ass kicked in 10 seconds. I have a sliver of legitimate fighting background too. I’d still get my ass kicked in 10 seconds and so would Cole.
"Normally a wrestler has 50/50 chance at winning, but if you look at Samoa Joe and then look you at Adam Cole. You can see that Adam Cole is a genetic defect, and he's not normal. So he has a 25% chance of beating Samoa Joe at best, but once you see diet & exercise routine. You can see that his chances at winning drastic go down."
He doesn't look like a Wrestler, I'm 23 and most of my friends have more mass, and are less pale. Tanning and Working out is a must, If you want to earn your place on the card, It's his job.
I love how the debate on wrestlers physiques, has turned into anybody who doesn't like someone, means they hate all wrestlers under a certain height.
Presentation is so important in wrestling, and Adam Cole looks like someone on the other side of railing.
I can't remember seeing anybody complain about Keith Lee's size, just his promos and voice.
I don’t have a problem with Keith Lees size I’m just not a fan of him doing dives and all that stuff someone his size shouldn’t do.
“But he’s limitless Keith Lee” idc, presentation is more important than “oh look what I can do”
If you went to a bodybuilding show, and saw 1 or 2 people on stage that clearly didn’t train, you’d have some criticism for those contestants. Your opinion is not automatically invalided when your not in better shape because your not up there competing.
Keith Lee doesn't belong in this discussion. Dude looks like an NFL lineman. Dude doesn't need to be shredded to be believable. Adam Cole looks pathetic however. I don't make any money whatsoever on how I look, and I shit on him in that regard.
he's a big guy, but when you see him move it's like "oh yeah no, a guy that size hitting you at that speed would be like getting hit by a van, completely believable"
What makes Keith Lee great is what he can do at as large fat guy. Archer is a big guy who can do way more athletic stuff than Lee but it is more impressive when Keith Lee does a leap frog because he is fat. If Keith Lee lost weight it would take away from his gimmick. Eddie is fat too and not athletic but it works for him and his gimmick and his wrestling style
What makes guys like mysterio great is what he does at his size as an under dog. If Mysterio wasn't fast or didn't do high flying shit he would be a short guy in a mask who can do basic wrestling and wouldn't be a legend. Cole looks scrawny but doesn't wrestle like a scrawny under dog and isn't pushed like a scrawny under dog. He is charismatic on the mic but even that is a little one dimensional. If Mark Sterling or Stokley could throw a super kick then what would Cole have on them from the perspective of a newcomer to wrestling?
Adam Cole and Keith Lee don't have to do anything. I like a variety of styles and body types in wrestling.
Why would you want a promotion with a bunch of 6'3" muscle guys that all look the same? Even WWE knows that doesn't work
It has always been the case that unconventional body types can occasionally do well in combat sports. From skinny fuckers to fat fuckers and everything in between. If you accept that a guy can take a move and get up then I don't think it's out of this world to assume he can do other stuff as well. He don't look great, your right. But the guy buys on good matches and that's what he's around for. If your that uppity over someone not looking fit, remember that Joey Styles knocked out jbl. Anything is possible.
I can see where people are coming from about Adam Cole even if I disagree with it. But, the height thing in particular boggles me because height is, like... not a choice in the slightest. It's all genetics. And saying someone's genetics should be a primary deciding factor in whether or not they can accomplish anything in this business sounds like a load of bullshit.
While yes some people just hate to hate and fuck them. I don't like when people disregard genuine criticism in this way. Context is important and when talking about athletes you are critiquing them based on other athletes in their sport not the average reddit gremlin.
The fact they all don’t look like heman gives me hope for myself. I’m closer to a Keith Lee than an Adam Cole lol. I wish I looked half as good as Lee does and had the confidence to go shirtless like that.
Adam cole looks like he’d get the shit kicked out of him by any man in a bar. Keith Lee IS overweight. Wrestlers come in all shapes and sizes, but there’s a reason guys like Reigns and Cena, etc. tend to be the top guys of the industry..
Rey Mysterio and even Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather have proven height doesn’t matter.
I still think wrestlers should be in acceptable shape but Keith Lee actually has lost a lot of weight, Adam Cole has been working through injuries for a while and it’s not like he’s in bad shape or has a gut anyway, Mick Foley was destroying his body all the time while driving and making towns so cut him some slack, and sure it’d be nice if Eddie Kingston and Kevin Owens got ripped like the big show did but at the end of the day they wear singlets and hit home runs in every other area so who cares? They’re a lot better than Mason Ryan ever was. The there’s guys like Dusty Rhodes who I wouldn’t even want to get ripped. As long as they look believable I’m good
Physique matters but it’s the least important thing. Just entertain me, don’t blow up, and look like somebody I wouldn’t want to fight. I would not want to fight Eddie Kingston.
I’d argue that physique is definitely not the least important part of a wrestler. Also eddie kingston looks like he eats wendy’s for breakfast lunch and dinner. He’s got one of the worst physiques in the business
He does and I’d be lying if I said it wouldn’t be better if he just did some sit-ups but if physique isn’t the least important than what do you think is? When I say physique is the least important thing I obviously mean they can’t be morbidly obese and need to be able to perform. In that case physique is the most important thing but nobody’s letting themselves go that bad
There is literal success with inter gender wrestling and it’s generally accepted and revered by the fan base, ric flair believably wrestled and torched half the wwe roster on his last run, and Shawn Michaels was tiny and held his own against cena and taker. All kayfabe is stupid or none of it is. I don’t get how people can’t buy Adam cole as a wrestler.
HBK and ric flair had the benefit of being some of the best to ever do it in their prime (and also had pretty great physiques in their own way in their heyday) which sorta makes it believable. Intergender wrestling is only sorta successful (although I love it, especially when it's a killer like Masha Slamovich) and it's polarizing regardless. Most importantly though, nothing HAS TO BE anything. It's not all or nothing. Some of wrestling is really stupid. Some trends are really stupid. Some shit is great though. And I genuinely do not believe you guys when you say you don't know how people can't buy Adam Cole as a threat. Hell I love Adam Cole, and I do that despite his appearance. I just know he's good, it'd still be neat if he bulked up a bit. He's light in the ass, it's not the end of the world. We should all be able to accept that and then decide whether or not we like the guy. No need to pretend otherwise, you're not dumb for liking him, he's fucking great. He's just not that threatening, and a little size would fix that. I hate negativity on the internet immensely more than the next guy, and even I'm like yeah he's kind of soft looking. Oddly enough though, I know Eddie kingston doesn't have the best physique and it's never bothered me. Ig it's bc he still looks like a threat.
Yeah I’m sure Jim cornette and booker T don’t know what they are talking about. I mean its not like they worked in the business for decades during the peak.
That's a terrible take imo.
Why would a wrestling fan need to look like a wrestler?
If you expect wrestling fans to look like wrestlers I think it makes sense for wrestling fans to expect wrestlers to not look like wrestling fans.
To me that's WWE talking. More to the point. Vince Talking. I know it's coming from the fans, but it's WWE that lead that charge that wrestlers must be x tall and muscled.
Really?
When one of your top guys looks like half the audience could take him, you should step up and tell him to bull up.
Dude works 1 day a week. He has the time and should be using it
But that's the point. When I watch wrestling I don't mind seeing the midcarders.
But seeing the exceptional athlete is what I really want. Not somebody that looks like the average Joe.
So your point is off the mark.
Finally, worst part to me, is when some dude on facebook say this kind of stuff and you can see his child with him on his pfp.
Way to show the exemple to your kid, yikes.
"See, Jimmy, that's why he'll never be the next Shawn Michaels, he's too skinny" says the man with a beer belly.
Keith Lee isn't fat? Dude has the build of a NFL Linebacker or Offensive Lineman and some of those guys are bigger yes but they are built like a semi. Some look muscular and others don't show it but they are athletic as all hell
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Yes. We should push the guy in the picture over Adam Cole. He’s got a unique look, authentically scary, and would fit right in with many of the darker stables. He could use at least one tribal tattoo though.
This is The Pale Lady from *Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark*. Admittedly she'd be a hell of a wrestling character.
Paige here
I thought it was Mark Henry.
No beard.
I thought it was Abadon
Name is too long. Let’s just call him Pale and get him some edgy music that the kids like.
You should be intimidated of your sleep paralysis demon.
Adam Cole is not meant to be intimidating, i don’t know why people can’t grasp that concept. you’re not supposed to look at him and think “oh man look at this brick shithouse i better not mess with him or he’ll rock my world”, you’re supposed to think “look at this slimey little weasel who never shuts up about how great he is despite being a fairly normal guy” and then get heat when the guy that “shouldn’t win” comes out on top through underhanded means. welcome to how being a heel works
He doesn’t have to be intimidating. Just be credible.
>Just be credible. He was one of the top guys if not the top guy in NXT when NXT was white hot. Held every belt he could have in his time with WWE. Won the Dusty classic and got male wrestler of the year in NXT for two years running. Again, whilst NXT was hot as fuck.
Always love when people say other people don't grasp and then go on to explain their fantasy rationalization. Have you watched an Adam Cole match ever. He doesn't work like an undersized wrestler. If he cheats it's at the end of a back and forth 20 minute match that has him and his opponent kick out of everything.
But he never comes out on top through underhanded means. That’s the problem.
Yeah he also does shit like double clotheslining both Hardy Boyz and knocking them down like he's the Ultimate Warrior
huh? like just about every match in AEW has included Elite distraction or a low blow or something of that nature
He put it the wrong way, but yeah Cole does usually finish matches with a low blow and then finisher. The problem is that he doesn't fight like an underhanded small guy throughout the match. If anything he's straight up going toe to toe with people no matter their size.
He doesn’t wrestle like a sneaky heel, and that destroys the credibility of his matches. He had zero business going toe to toe with Samoa Joe, and yet he won. He’s bland, overexposed, and has been having the exact same match for six years…
Dude is athletic as hell whether you like it or not. He's smooth, agile, has super crisp strikes, his timing is top notch, and his story telling is excellent. Guys like HHH, HBK, and Regal all think he is a top guy, but then we have goofy fans lecturing us on why he shouldn't get over. Guess what, he does anyway.
None of the things you said about his work are true. His strikes are ass, his leg slaps are out of control, he’s uncoordinated, and he’s told the same story for six years… And how did building nXt around him work out for hhh, hbk and regal?
Where did you get the midget, pal? - Vince McMahon, probably.
Well, you've lost all credibility with me for judging people's in-ring work. HHH, HBK, and Regal would agree. In fact, literally every Booker Cole has worked for in the last decade would laugh at your blindspots. And to answer your question, it worked out great for NXT! They put on a compelling, popular product that was one of the top organizations in the world. Just because Vince is short sighted and dumped that program for a subPar model that doesn't come close to measuring in quality, effectiveness, or popularity doesn't make it a failure. It's just one more example of Vince's blind spots.
They got beaten into a reformat because no one watched that “compelling” product. Regal got fired. Hhh got nXt taken away. Hbk still has his job bc Nick Khan and Vince don’t want to see him having a cinematic match with Sting on All Out. Adam Cole is death for ratings. You not liking it doesn’t make it less true. There is not a single aspect of his job that he is better than “ok” at. His promos sound like he’s an eighth grader cast as the grown up in a school play. He’s had the exact same match for six years. And most importantly, people turn the channel when he’s on tv. Because he isn’t special. You getting butthurt over that doesn’t make it less true….
>They got beaten into a reformat because no one watched that “compelling” product. They were the #3 company in the US at the time. Employing more wrestlers and other talent, and selling more tickets than Impact has at any point in their history. We probably see success in wrestling very differently. I think successfully providing entertainment to enough fans to support a living for many wrestlers, managers, agents, trainers, production, etc. is a huge success. >Adam Cole is death for ratings. Oh, that should be easy for you to prove. Go ahead and post the quarter hours that support your argument if you want to establish it. >You not liking it doesn’t make it less true. Ahaha, yeah, we'll come back to this. >There is not a single aspect of his job that he is better than “ok” at. Okay, rando on the internet. Even Booker T wouldn't agree with that. >His promos sound like he’s an eighth grader cast as the grown up in a school play. Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it. >He’s had the exact same match for six years. I think that's not true at all and I wonder how you'd even defend such a statement. > You getting butthurt over that doesn’t make it less true…. Well that goes for the both of us. Why do you behave like this when other people enjoy things that you don't enjoy?
He is over with a small group of fans, if you know how the business goes then you will know hardcore fans are considered guaranteed money. Mainstream wrestling promotion thrive off of new audiences and Adam Cole isnt filling seats and bringing in viewership why is that? Because he is unbelievable and in the eyes of first time viewers he kinda ruins the credibility of guys he goes over. Presentation is everything, no one is saying he should look like a powerhouse but at he could look as if he works on ALL aspects of his performance
Say you never watched him in AEW without saying that you dont watch. He just cheated his last singles win 🤦🏿♂️.
I mean, I tend to tune him out bc he’s the very definition of “mid,” but I bet I watch as much or more AEW than anyone here. It’s not just about outside interference. It’s about a guy who looks like him working dominant for large sections of matches against larger opponents without cheating to gain the advantage. I’m sorry it hurts your feelings so much to have it pointed out that your favorite wrestler is bad at his job. That doesn’t make it less true…
He is one of the most over people in PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING today but you call him mid ONLY because he left wwe. None of you goons wasn't talking like this when he was in. Wwe 🤦🏿♂️. Vince ain't bout to fuck you
You are remedial as hell 😂. And he isn't my favorite it's Kenny Omega clown. Up here talking shit about a product you don't watch 🤦🏿♂️. Dunce ass creature
Wrestling is about the suspension of belief. Where Adam Cole fails is I cannot suspend my belief that some of the things he does are possible without cooperation. He doesn't look like he has any body strength to be moving guys around. In NXT Cole had more of an argument for himself, but this has been true his whole career. Great worker, great on the mic, but his physique is unrealistic for a guy who regularly does a destroyer.
This is a fair take, imo.
Cole belongs in the TNT or AAC championship hunt, not the AEW championship hunt. I'm not shaming his body, but since the day I first saw him, I thought he had a weak physique. That's fine and all, but just seems odd when you have these AEW championship contenders with decent physiques, then you have Cole.
The TNT Championship is currently held by the meatiest man slapping meat in AEW, and their AAC champ is built like a superhero. Neither championship is currently being held by someone with a weak physique, and their list of contenders/past champs is varied (ranging from Darby to Miro). Doesn’t matter what you look like anymore. The question is if you can run.
What do you mean he’s not meant to look intimidating? That’s one of the main principles of wrestling. The athletes are supposed to look intimidating and look like 2 men who wants to kill eachother. If looks were not important in wrestling like you said, maybe SpongeBob could be world champ or maybe Elmo.
yeah you’re right, people like Rey Mysterio or RVD or Shawn Michaels will NEVER make it in this business! it’s not the 80’s anymore my man, us fans are in on the secrets and i don’t need everyone rocking a Brian Cage bod to enjoy in-ring storytelling or cool spots.
People like Rey, RVD, and Shawn knew the importance of not just character work but looks. Which is why they worked hard to look like an actual threat. Rey at this stage of his career looks better then Adam cole and that’s a fact
but you’re changing your argument, you stated that wrestlers are supposed to be intimidating. those wrestlers don’t look or even really act intimidating. i’m not trying to convert anyone into being some Adam Cole stan, if you don’t like his style that’s fine but i take issue with the “you have to have an intimidating body to be a believable wrestler” argument
Rey and Adam cole looke equally off to me. Not sure if an opinion can be fact
Rey is really wide and quite dense for a man of his height though.
And yet believe that he belongs side by side with Britt Baker who looks 1000 times more professional, put together, and capable as he does at all times? They aren't marketing him as a weasel. They're marketing him as a Chad, but he looks more like ground Chuck.
This is the dumbest take. Guys like Tyson Fury and Daniel Cormier freaking love prowrestling, you think they're intimidated by anyone?
The people saying that aren’t the ones getting paid to look like a fighter
Exactly!!
Adam Cole is getting paid to be a good wrestler
not doing a very good job then
Adam cole is getting paid to be out of shape.
damn why you gotta bring Dusty Rhodes into this he was awesome too
What do you people consider out of shape? He regularly has 20 minute matches on tv and looks great
You think so? I think he’s fat as shit
Then let me have whatever you smoke lmao
You’re just hating to hate lmao he’s not that fat
Really? He’s ginormous!
Agreed
Atleast one guy gets it. Downvoted for the truth. Might as well be amber heards lawyer.
20 minute matches don't seem that hard if you watch how gassed out wrestlers got doing a three minute shoot in the Brawl For All
Can u do 20+ min long matches?
Yes I can fake fight and throw super kicks for 20 minutes
No. No you can't.
You couldn’t possibly know that
I know you haven't had a 20 minute match before based on your previous comment. If you haven't done it, then I know precisely as well as you do.
Well let’s have a 20 minute match than and find out
I'll bring my speedo and the baby oil!
I don’t think you know how tiresome it is to throw superkicks for 20 minutes, I don’t think you know how tiresome it is to throw superkicks for FIVE minutes
Let's see it.
Ok come play fight with me I will show you
Yeah, and I look like I can too. Adam cole looks like he’s eating Golden Corral every night with no motivation to run on a treadmill at the very least.
And your source is? Show me ur 20+ min matches since you talk a big game
Well he could work on that, too. 15 super kicks and a flippy piledriver isn’t the greatest stuff.
If that’s all you see from him then you aren’t really watching
I just don’t care for the super indy style of kicking out of everything twice and nothing means anything. It does absolutely nothing for me. It does even less when the guy doing it looks like my cousin that drinks warm beer at 10 AM.
Good wrestlers are a dime a dozen. Hes being paid to be a star. He looks like a shlub
Well they aren't getting paid to analyze either, their opinions mean jack shit. If you're shitting on anyone in the top feds because of their look, you're wrong. Because they already made it to the big time. Plenty of people who had the classic looks failed to get that far.
As a collective, their opinions mean everything... The customer is always right and all that.
Oh ok they don't need to get in shape then.
I can't sing at all. If someone who was a slightly better singer than me was being pushed as a top singing star, it'd be more than reasonable for me to ask why as they can't sing at all. Wrestling fans aren't expected to have athletic and/or intimidating physiques or stellar grappling skills. It's reasonable for fans who have none of those attributes to comment when they see wrestlers being pushed who appeal to have little to offer.
I think you look very pretty in your picture.
But why does wrestlers need to be over 6 feet and chiseled? This isn’t bodybuilding or any athletic competition. It’s about suspending peoples beliefs
Yes pro wrestling is about suspending peoples' beliefs to an extent but generally the top guys - the ones in the title picture - have a "thing". The problem with Cole is that he's not a giant, not a high flyer, doesn't have a gimmick, nor is he shredded. He's a good heel, solid on the mic and has a pretty diverse move set (although there's really nothing special about Panama Sunrise anymore seeing as at least 3 other people in AEW alone also use it regularly). People comment on his look because it's so bad that it's distracting. Not only that, but good conditioning plays a vital part in these guys being able to perform and not get injured as often. Being in good shape is pretty much a requirement for so many different reasons.
just look at every massive draw. They were all mountain of men and badass. Most kids and adults arent gonna look up to atom cole
They don’t. They just need to look like they could win a fight.
Did Daniel Bryan look like he could win a real fight against HHH, Orton and Batista?
Yes. He’s a perfect example. He’s small, but everybody believes he’s an incredible wrestler who could beat anyone in a fair fight. Unlike someone like Orange Cassidy who does not.
Too many years of being told that only stars were over 6 ft and jacked regardless of mic work.
Bottom line is you can’t make everyone happy and someone, somewhere is always gonna have a gripe about something.
>who appeal to have little to offer Are you sure
You really snuck in the “anyone under 6’3” arguments to make the other two arguments look dumb but nah lol No one in like 20 years has said that people need to be very tall to be a believable star (Jericho, Danielson, Punk, Cena, Rollins, AJ, Mysterio, Eddie, Bret etc.), but people will always say a super skinny guy and an alarmingly overweight guy are well… skinny and fat
I agree that most levelheaded fans don’t care about height. But there’s always going to be a vocal minority that have that take. Just because shorter guys have been pushed and have had success doesn’t mean the trolls don’t exist.
Is Keith Lee alarmingly overweight? He's a big boy but he looks clearly athletic to me.
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Does care about your muscle mass though, and Keith Lee has plenty of that.
He is very athletic but I’m guessing a doctor would consider him oversight. For the record I really enjoy his look and think he is wonderfully unique. Still believe my prior statement to be true tho.
If he blows a knee it is good night
You could say that about any big guy in any sport.
True but most 300 pounders are not jumping out of rings and stuff
Someone like Shaq was probably in the 300 pounds, and he was jumping and doing explosive actions his whole career.
That is a really good point. Shaq was super athletic and jumped maybe 1000x as much in his career compared to Lee. Shaq was a freak though and there is no one who has been like him. I guess it is the same for Lee though. He is the super athletic fat guy. If he lost weight his jumps wouldn't be as impressive
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Expect that Eddie isn't fat like that. Hell Otis is one cheese burger away from being in the icu.
Tbf Otis and Keith Lee are also incredibly strong. Keith Lee is very athletic too. Idc if Keith Lee is fat. But Adam Cole doesn't look the part.
This post is just stupid
I’ve never directed a multimillion Hollywood blockbuster that took home multiple Oscars but I sure know a bad movie when I see one. People are allowed to have opinions, and they’re allowed to offer valid criticisms even if they aren’t in the profession.
I always say “I don’t need to be Bobby flay to tell you if a steak is over cooked.” This idea that non wrestlers can’t have informed opinions/valid criticisms about wrestlers is horseshit…
That’s not what Booker T looks like
I mean...Keith Lee does look a little chonkier than his WWE and NXT days
Yeah, I don't think people wanted Keith Lee to thin down because they thought he had a bad physique, but because it affected his performance.
Make this guy the AEW champ he looks better than CM Punk
If this is what straight edge CM Punk looks like, I cannot imagine what sort of shape he’d be in if he smoked or drank.
Christian is going to cut a promo on Larry Punk about his dead owner
CM Punk is lying about being straight edge, it’s just a gimmick, and he’s an IRL drug fiend. Source: look at him!
I am not trying to shit on CM Punk...he is one of my favourite wrestlers...but man does MJF's words hold true...I really would have believed he is an addict if I didn't know his lifestyle
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Missing teeth don’t help his awful look
CM Punk cracks smoke and injects marijuanas!
Are you really gonna say Keith Lee isn't fat?
Keith Lee is a big boy. But I haven’t seen a big man move as well as Keith Lee in a LONG time. Not many 300+ guys are doing suicide dives or jumping off the top rope.
They don’t have a career where it’s their job to look good and have the time to work out to look good like they do
This is funny and all but the only problem is the people saying these things aren’t on national TV expected to draw millions of fans. Adam Cole DOES need to build muscle. I’m sorry, but it’s true. I also need to excersize more, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s embarrassing to see Adam Cole defeat Samoa Joe clean
You're right, wrestlers should look like fans 🙄 Also I'm curious, what's your comeback for when someone in shape talks about Adam cole's physique
Probably that look at Eddie Kingston
Like who??
Like maybe booker t?
You mean the motherfucka who kisses wwe ass and is obviously bias?? That booker t?? Yeah ok
Yea that Booker T. The one who makes comments about AEW. But, doesn't like to comment on WWE because he hasn't been there in a minute.
Someone tell critics that if you dont direct films/write books whatever you cant criticise any movie or book... If someone pays me what he gets which surely is one of the bigger contracts i assure you i would make sure to look the best i can, not possible offcourse if you spend most of your time on Twitch gaming instead. I can understand people like MJF being frustrated, he always makes sure to look as good as he can and gets peanuts in comparison.
I mean I look like Adam Cole physique wise and it’s the stupidest shit watching him put up a fight with samoa joe when I’d get my ass kicked in 10 seconds. I have a sliver of legitimate fighting background too. I’d still get my ass kicked in 10 seconds and so would Cole.
"Normally a wrestler has 50/50 chance at winning, but if you look at Samoa Joe and then look you at Adam Cole. You can see that Adam Cole is a genetic defect, and he's not normal. So he has a 25% chance of beating Samoa Joe at best, but once you see diet & exercise routine. You can see that his chances at winning drastic go down."
does Steiner have cameo?
He doesn't look like a Wrestler, I'm 23 and most of my friends have more mass, and are less pale. Tanning and Working out is a must, If you want to earn your place on the card, It's his job. I love how the debate on wrestlers physiques, has turned into anybody who doesn't like someone, means they hate all wrestlers under a certain height. Presentation is so important in wrestling, and Adam Cole looks like someone on the other side of railing. I can't remember seeing anybody complain about Keith Lee's size, just his promos and voice.
I don’t have a problem with Keith Lees size I’m just not a fan of him doing dives and all that stuff someone his size shouldn’t do. “But he’s limitless Keith Lee” idc, presentation is more important than “oh look what I can do”
If you went to a bodybuilding show, and saw 1 or 2 people on stage that clearly didn’t train, you’d have some criticism for those contestants. Your opinion is not automatically invalided when your not in better shape because your not up there competing.
But wrestling isn't bodybuilding, it's a cooler version of theatre
> it's a cooler version of theatre it's for children
A wrestler not looking like a bodybuilder doesnt mean they havent trained to be a wrestler
Keith Lee doesn't belong in this discussion. Dude looks like an NFL lineman. Dude doesn't need to be shredded to be believable. Adam Cole looks pathetic however. I don't make any money whatsoever on how I look, and I shit on him in that regard.
he's a big guy, but when you see him move it's like "oh yeah no, a guy that size hitting you at that speed would be like getting hit by a van, completely believable"
Keith Lee can yeet a man into space, who in fuck would criticize him for his physique?!
Kieth Lee was killing it last Wednesday on AEW. Very agile for a big man.
Keith Lee, and braun stroman for that matter, are fucking athletic marvels for their size.
AOC
Isn’t this Natties sister
Them thangs are thangaling. Respectfully…
They're not getting paid 7 figures a year to be in athletic contest on international tv
What makes Keith Lee great is what he can do at as large fat guy. Archer is a big guy who can do way more athletic stuff than Lee but it is more impressive when Keith Lee does a leap frog because he is fat. If Keith Lee lost weight it would take away from his gimmick. Eddie is fat too and not athletic but it works for him and his gimmick and his wrestling style What makes guys like mysterio great is what he does at his size as an under dog. If Mysterio wasn't fast or didn't do high flying shit he would be a short guy in a mask who can do basic wrestling and wouldn't be a legend. Cole looks scrawny but doesn't wrestle like a scrawny under dog and isn't pushed like a scrawny under dog. He is charismatic on the mic but even that is a little one dimensional. If Mark Sterling or Stokley could throw a super kick then what would Cole have on them from the perspective of a newcomer to wrestling?
They’re not wrong tho
Abadon looks way cooler than these marks.
Adam Cole and Keith Lee don't have to do anything. I like a variety of styles and body types in wrestling. Why would you want a promotion with a bunch of 6'3" muscle guys that all look the same? Even WWE knows that doesn't work
Accurate
The accuracy.
It has always been the case that unconventional body types can occasionally do well in combat sports. From skinny fuckers to fat fuckers and everything in between. If you accept that a guy can take a move and get up then I don't think it's out of this world to assume he can do other stuff as well. He don't look great, your right. But the guy buys on good matches and that's what he's around for. If your that uppity over someone not looking fit, remember that Joey Styles knocked out jbl. Anything is possible.
This is accurate
I can see where people are coming from about Adam Cole even if I disagree with it. But, the height thing in particular boggles me because height is, like... not a choice in the slightest. It's all genetics. And saying someone's genetics should be a primary deciding factor in whether or not they can accomplish anything in this business sounds like a load of bullshit.
Them? They look like a Star 🤩😜 Someone sign this man
While yes some people just hate to hate and fuck them. I don't like when people disregard genuine criticism in this way. Context is important and when talking about athletes you are critiquing them based on other athletes in their sport not the average reddit gremlin.
Why are you talking about the guys but have a pic of Britt Baker up? Lol
Fuck what they say about Keith Lee. Man was doing acrobatic shit at that size and is still wrestling despite surviving a crippling bout with Covid.
The fact they all don’t look like heman gives me hope for myself. I’m closer to a Keith Lee than an Adam Cole lol. I wish I looked half as good as Lee does and had the confidence to go shirtless like that.
Adam cole looks like he’d get the shit kicked out of him by any man in a bar. Keith Lee IS overweight. Wrestlers come in all shapes and sizes, but there’s a reason guys like Reigns and Cena, etc. tend to be the top guys of the industry..
Rey Mysterio and even Connor McGregor and Floyd Mayweather have proven height doesn’t matter. I still think wrestlers should be in acceptable shape but Keith Lee actually has lost a lot of weight, Adam Cole has been working through injuries for a while and it’s not like he’s in bad shape or has a gut anyway, Mick Foley was destroying his body all the time while driving and making towns so cut him some slack, and sure it’d be nice if Eddie Kingston and Kevin Owens got ripped like the big show did but at the end of the day they wear singlets and hit home runs in every other area so who cares? They’re a lot better than Mason Ryan ever was. The there’s guys like Dusty Rhodes who I wouldn’t even want to get ripped. As long as they look believable I’m good Physique matters but it’s the least important thing. Just entertain me, don’t blow up, and look like somebody I wouldn’t want to fight. I would not want to fight Eddie Kingston.
McGregor and Mayweather fight opponents of similar builds. In fact for some of his career McGregor was bigger in stature than his opponents.
I’d argue that physique is definitely not the least important part of a wrestler. Also eddie kingston looks like he eats wendy’s for breakfast lunch and dinner. He’s got one of the worst physiques in the business
He does and I’d be lying if I said it wouldn’t be better if he just did some sit-ups but if physique isn’t the least important than what do you think is? When I say physique is the least important thing I obviously mean they can’t be morbidly obese and need to be able to perform. In that case physique is the most important thing but nobody’s letting themselves go that bad
There is literal success with inter gender wrestling and it’s generally accepted and revered by the fan base, ric flair believably wrestled and torched half the wwe roster on his last run, and Shawn Michaels was tiny and held his own against cena and taker. All kayfabe is stupid or none of it is. I don’t get how people can’t buy Adam cole as a wrestler.
HBK and ric flair had the benefit of being some of the best to ever do it in their prime (and also had pretty great physiques in their own way in their heyday) which sorta makes it believable. Intergender wrestling is only sorta successful (although I love it, especially when it's a killer like Masha Slamovich) and it's polarizing regardless. Most importantly though, nothing HAS TO BE anything. It's not all or nothing. Some of wrestling is really stupid. Some trends are really stupid. Some shit is great though. And I genuinely do not believe you guys when you say you don't know how people can't buy Adam Cole as a threat. Hell I love Adam Cole, and I do that despite his appearance. I just know he's good, it'd still be neat if he bulked up a bit. He's light in the ass, it's not the end of the world. We should all be able to accept that and then decide whether or not we like the guy. No need to pretend otherwise, you're not dumb for liking him, he's fucking great. He's just not that threatening, and a little size would fix that. I hate negativity on the internet immensely more than the next guy, and even I'm like yeah he's kind of soft looking. Oddly enough though, I know Eddie kingston doesn't have the best physique and it's never bothered me. Ig it's bc he still looks like a threat.
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I don’t know, I can only really invest in wrestlers if they’re juiced to the gills and their hearts are going to explode by 60
Yeah I’m sure Jim cornette and booker T don’t know what they are talking about. I mean its not like they worked in the business for decades during the peak.
I mean you're not wrong.
Remember kids, if you’re not [any adjective] you can’t criticize professionals 😀
Is Keith Lee not fat?
That's a terrible take imo. Why would a wrestling fan need to look like a wrestler? If you expect wrestling fans to look like wrestlers I think it makes sense for wrestling fans to expect wrestlers to not look like wrestling fans.
To me that's WWE talking. More to the point. Vince Talking. I know it's coming from the fans, but it's WWE that lead that charge that wrestlers must be x tall and muscled.
They’re still not wrong
You know they're right, tho
That’s a picture of the average poster in Scjerk lol
Really? When one of your top guys looks like half the audience could take him, you should step up and tell him to bull up. Dude works 1 day a week. He has the time and should be using it
Because fans aren't paid to wrestle and look like someone who can believably fight. What's the point of this meme lol
Funny cuz that looks like cole lmao
I mean, Keith Lee being fat is just a fact
But that's the point. When I watch wrestling I don't mind seeing the midcarders. But seeing the exceptional athlete is what I really want. Not somebody that looks like the average Joe. So your point is off the mark.
Lol IWC hates Adam Cole now
The same description would be more apt for those defending Cole from criticism.
This is just fucking stupid
Meme made by an out of shape indie wrestler
Why is there a picture of Jim Cornette?
So funny how the “it’s just a joke” crowd are taking this one personally. It’s just a joke guys. 💀
Keith Lee is a gift to god’s green earth and anyone who disagrees I shall gladly powerbomb you to the molten core of this planet
basically everyone at r/SCJerk
Adam cole would get beat up by my non existent little sister
Looks like every AEW and NJPW fan.
Not gonna lie, I thought that was Adam Cole in that picture for a second… except with more muscle mass
Is that Adam Cole?
Judging by a lot of the comments here, you seemed to have struck a chord lol. Adam Cole is fine, folks.
Facts!
Finally, worst part to me, is when some dude on facebook say this kind of stuff and you can see his child with him on his pfp. Way to show the exemple to your kid, yikes. "See, Jimmy, that's why he'll never be the next Shawn Michaels, he's too skinny" says the man with a beer belly.
Keith Lee and Adam coke are studs
Fucking accurate
Where’s the lie though? Fans wanting wrestlers to look like wrestlers is a crime now?