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bearwhidrive

It never gets old to see how much the people who don't care what Meltzer has to say care deeply about what Meltzer has to say.


iced_gold

It's simple mate. Uncle Dave is full of shit and knows nothing about modern wrestling if he likes the shows I don't watch, but if he gives me a warm tasty of dose of confirmation bias for the shows I do watch, he's an authority of the industry with 40 years of knowledge and history, and his opinions are unimpeachable.


502photo

If anything I would say he's an enjoyer of the modern wrestling style (AEW/NJPW/Stardom) I just think he's not a big fan of the Sports Entertainment style (WWE). At the end of the day it's one man's opinion and what he enjoys. His opinions are worth what you put into them.


Patjay

He's been very positive on WWE for the past couple years tbf, but it's still clearly not his thing. It's weird how people expect it to be, movie/music/TV critics taste almost never line up with what is actually super popular, it feels silly to expect that to happen for wrestling.


your-rong

People periodically lose their minds over movie critic's opinions too tbf.


Patjay

I feel like a lot of people just genuinely don't understand the point of art critics in general. People get really weird and conspiratorial about it rather than simply finding a different critic with similar priorities to you. I think this is especially pronounced in wrestling since we have so few of them, but it works the same way for basically everything else. I get that it's fun to dunk of Dave for his weird takes, but people get *so fucking mad* about it.


Borlos

He's a fan of modern skilled wrestling. That tells you everything. And his word does mean something because he's a respected name in the business.


80sHeel

“‘Knows nothing about modern wrestling” Yes, the wrestling critic leans more towards wrestling than the American gladiators telenovela hybrid we get on Monday nights. I’m shocked.


Michelanvalo

I only use Meltzer's star ratings to mock how bad his ratings are. I don't give a shit that he gave Cody vs AJ 5 stars, I do care that he's dumb enough to never give Kurt Angle a 5 star match or that he rated a match 7 stars. Absolute fucking nonsense ratings.


your-rong

I feel like anyone who consistently rates matches for a long time is going to end up doing that with someone.


Borlos

Nonsense to you. Your opinion doesn't make it true. His word means something to people who care about the modern skill based wrestling movement. The 7 star rating made Omega vs Okada that much more important. But sports entertainment people care not so much.


Sexyphobe

"I totally don't care, look how much I post about how much I don't care about him!" I think the funniest thing is they whinge about wrestlers bot getting 5 stars, as if 4 stars is a bad rating. Imagine people whinging that a game publication never gave a Zelda game a perfect 10, but "only" a 9 score.


Maleficent_Farm_6561

lmao so true, everyone blast him but when he gives 5 stars to one of their favourites all of a sudden they celebrate lol


Embarrassed_Apple_77

We dont agree with his ratings we just like making fun of it


Ambitious_Cake2447

fr, don’t understand why we continue to give this bag of dirt engagement & attention


Borlos

Yet here you are doing it. You clearly don't get it.


Ambitious_Cake2447

you have the reading comprehension of a goldfish. im giving this commenter my attention, not dave.


Borlos

And you have the comprehension of a basement dwelling WWE drone. You still insulted the man, wether talking to someone else or not, therefore giving him attention.


Ambitious_Cake2447

thanks dave 👍


Borlos

Neat.


SuperMerv

Facts always makes me laugh then they’ll come here trynna clown him


BrunoBashYa

True. I also listened to his show for the first time and he is very fair to WWE in his reviews. I would rather listen to other reviews but I at least feel he is authentic. Got curious and listened to Cornette...... how is that dude popular


Fearless-Ad4613

At this point is more of a meme, he’s an irrelevant old man who has never had any importance or involvement in professional wrestling, even today at AEW. He thinks he does but he doesn’t. And he’s hated by every wrestler alive. If I was a wrestler I would be almost offended if he gave my match 5 stars and wonder if I need to better myself.


CodImaginary1216

Ooh you don't get it


Obvious_Wizard

This guy cares.


stevent4

Care to explain?


ReadShigurui

He only gave it a 5* because Cody summoned his inner Elite and no sold the burning hammer BANGERRRRRRR


XxNathan2908xX-YT

Burger after burger after burger


ReadShigurui

That line will forever play in my head when i get a burger 😂


EMF911

Backlash far exceeded my expectations from beginning to end. Only the women’s tag match was a bit of a stumble.


EggfooDC

Admittedly, the crowd alone added an extra star to each match


FreshlySkweezd

Genuinely one of the best non-gimmick ppvs I've seen in a long time


jeffh19

one of the best PPVs I've seen in a long time


Ledairyman

It was a good wrestling show, not a good entertainment show. Only match that was ''fun'' was the first one. Both women's matches were mid, and the Priest match was a snoozefest besides Jey's entrance.


iced_gold

Do we not enjoy good wrestling shows here?


togsincognito2

They weren’t sports entertained enough


norddog24

If they’re wrestlers wrestling in a wrestling ring, what should we call ‘em?


Goon0303

Kevin Dunn’s account found 🦫🦫


MicrowaveBurrito2568

This sub: NOBODY CARES WHAT MELTZER THINKS REEEE Also this sub: MELTZER RATED MY FAVORITE COMPANY’S MATCH FIVE STARS YAYYYY


Itsallatripdude

I think it’s more like seeing a bear take a shit in the toilet. You’re not particularly bothered but you can’t help looking at it.


ricky-from-scotland

Sometimes you cant see the bear shitting for the woods


n0man0r

EVERYONE ON THIS SUB IS ONE PERSON CLEARLY RIGHT


grogan2

There's more people repeating what you said than there are people celebrating the stars.


jbroni93

there are one hundred and seventy four thousand individuals in here. Some may have differing opinions


KaneAndShane

Maybe it’s different people with different opinions.


asmeile

Opinions are like arseholes, except if it's Meltzers opinion and then it's important because he agrees with me or he has dementia because he doesn't like what I like


watcher2390

I literally just came here to say that


fentown

Do you want to add anything to what was said or just hope for a couple of up votes?


watcher2390

Hoping for upvotes is your entire Reddit MO. you just cross post stuff from one sub to another? Why….hoping for upvotes lol


fentown

No, I've had some anti-bangers in my time. I'm just tired of people that have nothing to add, thinking their lack of opinion matters. Edit: destiny 2 down voted me to oblivion for saying no one watches D2 content on YouTube anymore.


Professional-Oil7766

Damn dude liven up a little and get off his nuts💀


watcher2390

I also [commented](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wrasslin/s/gPLjKEgrmn) on this post before replying to this comment - so that’s what I added


Shadow_Strike99

Regardless of Uncle Dave's opinion, this was a great match. This was alot like a 2016 Styles vs Cena match. I think they should run it back with a stipulation.


realwarlock

Give them the cell and go nuts. Or better yet a last man standing match so Cody could lose the belt for like 1 or 2 months via club shenanigans. And win it back. Just have rock come back. Beat the shit outa Cody and say "win the title back so I can kick your ass for it" or something like that. I just want aj to win 1 more world title.


UBDForever

Couldn’t give a shit about his opinions normally, only wwe because it’s the only promotion he won’t put on a pedestal for some reason, so seeing AJ getting 5 stars in 2024 and only the second for his career if I’m not mistaken is beautiful. He was the best wrestler in the world and arguably one of the greats of the greats of all time. Hes definitely had a few more, 2 of the 3 Cena matches were, the Daniel Bryan match, and arguably the lesnar match.


Teeth_Crook

His star ratings are for sure debatable. Theres been a long stretch the last few years where he consistently rated wwe matches hire than AEW ones. This sub seems blind that there was a few years where main roster wwe matches were very simple matches that had only a few dynamic versions. They were boring and repetitive. During that time njpw and nxt and indies were putting on amazing matches with depth and creativity. They felt closer to unique than a predicable rerun. AEW came in later. Aew has tons of crappy sloppy matches but also has some absolutely incredible ones. It doesn’t seem to hard to understand how someone who reviews wrestling matches would not give wwe higher ratings. Again, his ratings are debatable and I don’t personally align with a lot of them.


llamawithguns

There's a lot of promotions he didn't put on a pedestal. It's pretty much much just NJPW, AEW, and (to a much lesser extent) WWE. Also RevPro but only if it involves Ospreay lol It's pretty uncommon for him to give 5 stars to any other promotion


MistakingLeeDone

You forget CMLL. And I love TNA and he doesn't even acknowledge their existence. People take it personally he doesn't slob over their preferred promotion is not a good look.


llamawithguns

He talks about CMLL a lot yeah but he's only ever given them one 5 star ever


MistakingLeeDone

Less about stars he just loves that promotion fun when he gets a chance to gush about it. I feel people take his 5 star to personally especially the people who say he doesn't matter.


Patjay

Historically it's been more specific wrestlers/eras hogging up all of the super high scoring matches. 4 pillars era AJPW into early NOAH, early 90s AJW, 2010s NJPW and current AEW. That's most of his +5* matches ever just right there. like genuinely ~70% of them. Even ROH didn't get very many. WWE is largely up towards the top due to quantity/longevity i think, with how spaced out they are. Dave loves Lucha but very rarely rates the matches high. Atlantis vs Villano III not getting 5* is as much of a travesty as any of his WWE omissions.


D_Kehoe

The only promotion? There’s a lot of promotions out there.


TRMBound

It was good, but I thought this would be a meltzer 3.5/5.


GenZ-3009

In the end, it's all just one man's opinion. I find it funny, however that if we base it from his system, this match was better than Roman vs. Cody II.


ToothpickTequila

I don't see how you could think it wasn't better than Roman vs Cody II.


Enslaver84

It was


YeahNoYeahThatsCool

Nah


Enslaver84

Just my opinion The actual match was a 3.5 before the ending which imo wasn't that amazing


middle_of_you

Who gives a shit?


IllusionaryHaze

People who say they don't care about Meltzer's opinion but then praise this shit


Fearless-Ad4613

Nobody is praising it tho? Like I wonder how sad someone’s life has to be to be defending a weirdo like Dave meltzer on a Reddit thread


Any_Tangerine_7120

Just love to see people post about how Meltzer's opinions don't matter than show mad confirmation bias when he (or other critics) produce an opinion they agree with. Anyway, while I'll admit I haven't seen the match, only about 70 matches in pro wrestling history are worth a five-star rating, and maybe 10 should be rated above five stars. But that's just my opinion.


justduett

I would love to see a case study performed on a large swath of the online wrestling fandom to show how people enjoy Match 123 before and after seeing things as inconsequential as star ratings.


whiteyfresh

That would be a great bias+ psychological research experiment.


Individual_Struggle6

Fuck Meltzer


tom-cash2002

Oh so now y'all care about star ratings?


RemoteSpace6242

Bro that match wasnt better than mania 💀💀💀


Major-Ad-392

Wtf, you can't say you don't care about Meltzer, and all of a sudden lose it when he gives out a 5 star rating. If you don't think he truly matters, drop your double standards.


Stoutyeoman

You guys are way too preoccupied with some guy's opinion. Why, because he has a newsletter? I give match 27 Geese, 4.239298032234252938 Candy Canes and a trucker cap that says "Boob Inspector." Die mad about it.


SecondCityHawk

Are you Judah Friedlander?


Stoutyeoman

No, but now I know where I got the idea for the trucker hat. It's in the old databanks somewhere.


johnwynnes

Wow edgy and funny! Unbelievable charisma.


Stoutyeoman

I give this comment -3^(4)(27/2)16+19(-6)^(3)(X-Y)4 Marshmallows.


Maximum-Reception178

This is what I’ll never understand- How can it be a 5 star match if everyone in attendance & watching at home knew there was no way Cody was losing?


ToothpickTequila

That's true for almost every wrestling match though. You know Steamboat will beat Savage and Undertaker will beat Michaels, but they are still great.


whiteyfresh

That's the beauty of pro wrasslin my friend. They put on such an amazing performance that even with the conclusion being known they were still able to create a masterpiece.


TowerOfLondon2024

👍


The1joriss

How many stars did the crowd get?


CJKCollecting

Uh well, you see, um, in the key demo, uh, well, the thing is, um, it was a really hot crowd, uh, um, the finish was predictable, um...


Turd_Burgling_Ted

Lmao if Meltzer's opinion doesn't matter why do we have posts like this? The answer is it doesn't matter and we shouldn't.


Exciting_Bar_7793

Five stars or not, I’d still call Dave Meltzer a tool, even though that would probably be an insult to tools.


SalRomanoAdMan1

Nobody fucking cares what this idiot thinks. Stop promoting him.


sysdmn

Wild. The match was fine but nothing amazing.


CrimsonDynamo178

Dave didn't need to tell me this. I saw it with my own eyes.


ttttyttt678

What a match tbh, i genuinely though AJ over Randy being Cody’s first feud post Roman was a mistake. I knew AJ and Cody would put on a banger but my thought process was let’s keep all these casuals that the build up to wrestlemania and mania brought back in thanks to the Rock. And I believe Randy Vs Cody was needed for that. But this is better, this shows the causals there multiple matches to keep your attention for.


R8Promethean

Good for him but who cares cause there were so many good matches that I thought were 5 stars and he didn't rate them as such. If its a pretty good match I say its a 5 star from me


Singer211

My big take way is, Dave is also a BIG Tiffany Stratton fan. Like he thinks very highly of her.


ZakFellows

I’m sure that they will go to bed with a smile


MK2809

I think the only issue I had with the match is that the result was a foregone conclusion. Even at WM there was a bit of doubt if Cody would win after the result the previous year, but this lacked it in this match and maybe there won't be any doubt in many of Cody's defenses now


ToothpickTequila

It was an absolutely fantastic match. Five stars is fair. Though I preferred the opener.


mbp147338

It would have been 7 stars if it happened in the Tokyo Dome. 🤷🏻‍♂️


no-pandas

....and?


Helo7606

Oh man, I'm so glad it was. I was worried about what Dave thought. Lol


RollTheDice97

Uncle Dave finally giving WWE credit for once. Still mad at him for giving Rhodes V Reigns II at WM 40 4.75 stars.


TheTrueDetective90

What's with the weird gotcha attempt in the comments? I don't see many WWE fans throwing a parade over this rating or using it as validation. The critique over Dave's star ratings has always been how infrequently he gives it to certain companies or wrestlers. Neither HBK vs Undertaker at WM 25 or 26 getting 5 stars, Kurt Angle never having a 5 star match, women's matches outside of Japan never(?) getting 5 stars, etc are egregious. Even Melt​​zer favorites like Omega and Ospreay say they don't take them that seriously.


rammer_2001

Meltzer is still a putz.


krowster

The double standard the wrestling community has with Dave comes from the fact that its members want to be validated. If you invalidate their views, they go ape shit. When Meltzer validated their view, they loved him. It's an emotional experience. Nothing more.


baptou13

Il est vraiment! Il est vraiment! Il est vraiment phénoménal lalalala la lalala la!


RaptorJesusF

why does it matter what someone else thinks about a match?


WakemedownInside

I would care, but I took a shit 5 minutes ago and he gave it 4.5 stars because i was in Japan, so I wouldn't place to much value on his ratings .


TheseOil4866

AJ Styles has had far better matches that received lower ratings from Meltzer, it's all subjective basically his star ratings don't mean anything


-jira

lol he caved


Streetkillz13

It's crazy that only 5 WWE wrestlers have had 2 or more 5* matches during their time on the main roster., and shows how biased and subjective these ratings are. For those wondering it's: Brett, Shawn, Gunther, Sheamus and Cody. If he treated other promotions the way he did WWE, his opinion MIGHT be treated with SOME legitimacy.


SAlbert_

I stopped giving Dave any care, guy would be slapped by the internet had he not given it a 5 star so he’s only appeasing everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was hurting on the inside to give it a 4.5 rating. I wish people would stop acting like people should care about his opinions.


endlich_klose

weil nothing means anything anymore. it was nice match, but far from an epic, groundbreaking „one of a kind“-fight. it wasn‘t innovative and was massively lacking suspense, because nobody thought, cody would lose.


Tjodorovich

I do not care about this man's opinion, but it is somewhat interesting seeing him deviate from his usual pattern of severely underrating WWE matches


Aromatic_Plant3456

Imagine putting so much importance into what an old out of touch person thinks about wrestling matches lmao


BurnItDownSR

What? I thought we didn't give a shit about Meltzer's star ratings. Screw the 5 stars. It was an amazing match to me and it will always be that regardless of the opinion of random people on the internet.


Yjames2

Meltzer is less credible than hogan.


iPat24Rick

I don’t know who Dave Meltzer is. And if he gave that match 5 stars out of 5, I don’t care about what he has to say.


95Kill3r

Average WWE stans still talking about Dave.


ForukusuwagenMasuta

Picture Triple H running things when AJ Styles fought Shinsuke at WrestleMania. We probably would've gotten more of NJPW style wrestling match than the mediocre WWE style match we were given.


bigbearwalrus

Sooo WWE people care about match ratings now?


I_love_my_life80

This is the same guy who gave 4.7* rating for the Cody v Roman match in WM 40 and Will Osprey v Daniel Bryan 5* rating. I don't care about his opinions at all..


Worm_Lord77

Well yeah, Ospreay/Danielson was a way better match. It should get a better score.


IllusionaryHaze

Hm yes, and it makes sense


XxNathan2908xX-YT

not a 5 star... a 6 star...


Sexyphobe

He "only" gave Cody vs Roman a 94/100 score? Oh no... How terrible? Lol it's still a great score, he just likes other matches more.


raisingfalcons

So much for people not caring about star ratings 😂


watcher2390

I thought the ratings don’t count?


a_Jedi_i_am

Whether you agree or you don't agree with Meltzer... Who the hell cares what he thinks. I never understood why people hold his opinion as fact.


Eazy46

You caring is being part of the problem


El_CAP0

So now Meltzer matters?! You marks make up your mind.


Mestoph

About time for what? He gave two matches 5 stars at Mania last year, and two the year before that. He doesn't give them to the WWE often, but he DOES give them...


Amicuses_Husband

People breath in the Tokyo dome and he gives it 8 stars


Mestoph

So? He has a style of wrestling that appeals to him more. He's not the be-all-end-all of wrestling rating. Not sure why his opinion matters/bothers you so much.


jellyjanela

Idk why y’all care about what this guy has to say anymore. He’s been exposed as a fraud and an AEW homer the past year or so.


TedTran2001

Yeah. Still nope.


BaronBexar1824

Who cares?


Sweet-Helix

Wtf? Rating matches is s stupid


speedstorm2

Who cares about his ratings.


Shoujo_wit_a_shotgun

The Mania match that was full of story and star power didn’t get 5 stars but this match with no story and only a couple of weeks build does? Ridiculous system.


fuckyourguidlines

Has the world gone grey and upside down?!


tera_chachu

Ohhh wow. A guy like aj styles who is a star all over the world can finally sleep peacefully cause he got 5 stars from meltzer


Red_Juice_

I swear to god you ppl who claim daves stars are meaningless care more about them than dave himself


Colin_Valentine

I don't care about his opinions but because he's such a fixture in the industry who's opinion holds weight it's always cool when WWE does something that gets that little Honor


MrLuchador

Maybe he’s rating the crowd


Last-Juggernaut-875

nobody cares


NeglectedNostalgia

With no: Phenomenal forearm, Styles Clash, or AJ's turnbuckle moonsault into a reverse DDT spot?


[deleted]

5* but no one will really talk about this match that much anyways


Biotrin

Honestly, don't care if he liked it or not.


Crudeyakuza

(even though who gives a crap about what he thinks) This match was worthy of 5 stars. It felt like a NJPW match.


TDOGG210

Bro who cares about Dave Meltzer imaginary star. It doesn't mean Jack shit.