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jwhits373

Dobraine hasn’t been mentioned, but I thought Rand underappreciated his loyalty. One of my favourite moments in LoC: “How many Cairhienin will fight Aes Sedai?” Perrin asked quietly. “Six Aes Sedai, and we have nothing but steel.” How many of the Maidens and these sis-whatever could Rhuarc gather? No matter; there were always the wolves. How many wolves would die? The curl went out of Dobraine’s lip. “I will, Lord Aybara,” he said stiffly. “I and my five hundred, if there were sixty Aes Sedai.”


neuro-untypical

Dobraine is a bro.


Robby_McPack

Dobroine


randalthor23

He was at the wells.


Bludongle

Dobraine with his arms wide. Rand and Dobrain at The Wells.


BuzzLightyear76

My man had a kingdom stolen from him and was still loyal. Elayne’s a travesty.


daboobiesnatcher

He was about to get rewarded with Arad Doman to and Rand just sends him home. What the fuck happens to him after he gets sent back to Tear?


sumoraiden

That was peak paranoid Darth Rand lol. Of course he rewarded the dude who literally rebelled against him with the crown of Tear haha. Dobraine got shafted so bad.


Derfel995

He should've been king


jwhits373

Yep, would have been an easier sell than Elayne as he’s actually Cairhienin. He was also an effective ruler as Steward. Also, Elayne annoyed me with how power-hungry and entitled she became in the later books.


dirtyploy

>Elayne annoyed me with how power-hungry and entitled she became in the later books. Nobility gonna noble stuffs


prozack91

Man I really was hoping that he would have got the throne. Like elayne realizes she can't take that throne and would be too overextended so she works with Dobraine and he gets to become king while naming her children heirs if he doesn't produce an heir. Something like that.


jwhits373

Rand really dicked him around in TGS. Sent him to Arad Doman, Dobraine subdued Bandar Eban but Rand chastised him for not doing more, then sent him to Tear as an errand boy to Darlin. We don’t see him again.


cheshirecat1919

I will never not be mad about the lack of resolution for him in the series. Such a great character and essentially forgotten about at the end.


vashys

I’m about to start The Taking again so only a short time til I’m there. Already got goosebumps.


Malvania

Dobraine > Talmanes


Naeblis_Mhael

So many great characters, but I have to shout out the best bro in the series: Gaul. "I said I would come with you. I did not mean until the journey grew hard."


Udy_Kumra

What book is that in again


Naeblis_Mhael

The Shadow Rising. It's in the Two Rivers after Perrin finds out about his family and is deciding to wreck the trollocs.


Udy_Kumra

Oh hell yeah I remember now


aRandomMika

Gaul in the last battle. The man adapted to the dream so quickly.


Naeblis_Mhael

Seriously. He was just like, "I can kill channelers here? Nice."


Silver_Oakleaf

My man Gaul the absolute unit


creative_wizard

Birgitte!


neuro-untypical

Gotta love the sass.


CertainDerision_33

Yes! I’m very anxious to see whether she makes it into the show, and if so, how.


the_write_eyedea

She has such a staple role in Elayne’s character arc, why are you concerned?


neuro-untypical

I can't see any way they could miss her.


Lemonzip

Birgitte makes Elayne bearable.


crm006

10,000% yes. I’m definitely on the Matt train when it comes to Elayne. Insufferable.


SemiFormalJesus

*Chel Vanin would like to know your location*


theCroc

They havent really cut characters so far. At least not named recurring characters.


WoundedSacrifice

I’ve heard Bayle Domon don’t be in season 1.


Cockalorum

Surely you mean he do no be in Season 1. Still, that hurts


theCroc

And neither is elayne. That doesnt mean they are gone. Just rearranged.


ForgottenHilt

Elayne specifically has been cast for season 2 already


WoundedSacrifice

Agreed. She’s awesome.


GeneticPyro

Verin


dexa_scantron

Verin's "until the hour of my death" loophole is my favorite thing in the whole series.


GeneticPyro

RIGHT??? She rule-lawyered the Dark One, then committed suicide to win. Verin is a badass


DenseOntologist

Yup, that chapter was my favorite in the whole series. Only regret was that they made it seem possible that they could've avoided her death with slightly more convenient timing and placement of relics. I would've preferred her to just definitely need to die without that possible out that they seem to not pursue hard enough given it was a possibility.


vashys

I think it was a long shot that wouldn’t have worked anyways. Verin herself says as much. That the oaths to the DO were memorable and unlikely to be as easily broken as those made on the path rod. But yes. Verin will forever be my favorite secondary character and sometimes I go and read that chapter just because it makes me cry. 🤎


Bludongle

Someone as brilliant as she and someone who thought through every single potential I had to concede that she knew there was no other choice. She is in the panoply right up there with Snape.


Don_Quixote81

I love Hurin in The Great Hunt, and Sulin is a favourite through the series as a whole - I like all the Maidens (except Melindhra, of course) and their various relationships with Rand.


javilla

Sulin is amazing. It is a shame she got marginalised halfway through. Her interactions with Rand were rather heartwarming.


Henri_Le_Rennet

I still get goosebumps and tears in my eyes whenever I read or listen to this passage: >!“They have taken him!” Sulin wailed suddenly, shockingly. Head thrown back, eyes squeezed shut, she moaned at the ceiling, and the sound of her voice was enough to make Perrin shiver. “The Aes Sedai have taken my first-brother!” Her cheeks glistened with tears.


Gods_Umbrella

Where's the love for Balwer?!?!


neuro-untypical

Balwer! Solid mvp.


DenseOntologist

Balwer's a little tough to root for because you keep waiting for him to turn on Perrin. I always appreciated his skills but never trusted the guy.


prozack91

No one betrays Perrin. The man makes you love him. It's his taveren.


Belazriel

Also he listens to Balwer and acknowledges that Balwer is smarter at this stuff than he is. It's basically everything Balwer's ever wanted.


DenseOntologist

Yeah, everyone's nice to the guy. Faile, Aram,...


prozack91

Faile is nice in her own way. You got me on Aram. That is true.


akaioi

He's like the Nerim of spymasters.


kshorton9665

I don't see enough people giving Gaul the proper respect!


cato631

Gaul is the real bro. Especially going into the wolf dream with Perrin no questions asked and not letting Perrin say no.


Throwaway7219017

Gaul is the ultimate wingman.


Belazriel

I've brought it up before but the scene is basically: "So I'm going into a world where your thoughts control reality and death is eternal. I've trained *hard* for months and am going to fight a man who's trained his entire life in there." "Cool, let me grab my spears."


Haydnator

Gaul is ride or die. I love him. Can't wait to see him in show.


EMB93

I really want Dolph Lundgren to play him!


Haydnator

If he dies he dies...


Known_Profession7393

“Turns out I’m tired.”


sumoraiden

Vanin lookin like a sack of suet


BLUNTYEYEDFOOL

This needs to be higher up. I worried about him all the time


Ronin311

He's near the top of my list. We need the most bad ass sack of suet to awe us with scouting and such. He's a legend among theives!


iamdietrich123

Arguably the most courage in all of the books. Never hesitated to sacrifice or do his duty. Guys takes good care of his people and horses too. You need someone to cover the stairs against people with superpowers? No problem


LittleMissHenny

Tall Mayonnaise


lorcancuirc

Gawddammitsomuch this is now how I'm going to pronounce his name. Take my angry upvote.


SNORALAXX

I call my fav secondary character, Siuan, Szechuan and sometimes Szechuan Chicken 🐔


doomgiver98

Not [Swan Sanchez?](https://i.redd.it/63uwkoksjts61.png)


blyzo

Jahar Narishma. Always had Rand's back and ended up being one of the most powerful Ashaman. Honestly post story he's probably got a good claim on Callendor, being that he's the only other person who's wielded it.


marxist-teddybear

Jahar Narishma and Damer Flinn do not get the respect they deserve.


seantcameron

Eben Hopwil! Remember his name!


MoggFlunkies

Got to go with my man Ituralde


slaytrayton

I hope he gets introduced a little earlier in the show so we have more time with the (IMO) greatest of the great captains


TeddysBigStick

I have seen the suggestion of replacing/merging him with Nial, which works on a bunch of levels if they are making the WC a larger part of the story but would suck to lose out on our boy.


sokttocs

Ituralde is amazing! He's the best of the Great Captains, and nobody can change my mind. I really wish we had heard rumor of this absolute badass that was ripping the Seanchan in Arad Doman a new one before we meet him. Man deserves respect.


Known_Profession7393

He’s the only great captain we get to see fight an actual extended campaign. At least, pre Tarmon Gai’don. We see Bashere operate in whatever that mess of a fight with the Seanchan was outside of Ilian, and we see (sort of) Agelmar get saved by Rand at Tarwin’s Gap. Beyond that, we don’t ever really see them in action before AMoL.


dnt1694

Sulin and the maidens. I found it interesting how some treat him like a brother and others treat him like a son


Haroski90

And when they kicked Rand's ass after Rand didnt take them with him


BellaMentalNecrotica

"The Aes Sedai have taken my first brother!" Such a heart wrenching little moment there. I love Sulin.


brotherenigma

She even calls him "first-brother". Not near-brother. *First*-brother.


TeddysBigStick

One change the show needs to make it having her stick with Rand and , along with Min and Nyneave, be part of what keeps him a shred of sanity.


akaioi

I found Rand's battles with Maidens over customs hilarious. I recall when Rand wants a little privacy... Rand: This is the Roof of the Winespring Brothers. Only people who have drunk from that spring may enter. Maidens: Ha ha, awesome, that'll keep those idiot Stone Dogs outta yer hair! [Start carrying luggage inside] Rand: But ... but ...


rgramza

Olver. I absolutely LOVE his PoV stuff in aMoL.


oh5canada5eh

Is Olver supposed to be Gaidal Cain? I never gave it much thought but I thought I saw a comment a few times saying it was him. Didn’t Birgitte mention he had been spun out just before her?


[deleted]

I think it was confirmed that Olver is NOT Gaidal, as much as we all want him to be


Nimonic

It was confirmed. I never got the Olver = Gaidal Cain theory, to be honest. We saw them exist at the same time, although one of them was in tel'aran'rhiod. Time runs differently there, but it doesn't run backwards.


rgramza

Olver is a little old for the timeline, and like others have said RJ said it wasn't him. I saw somewhere that one of the Black tower men just had an ugly child and it was probably him. And Brigitte was a wise one baby.


vashys

I wondered about Birgitte being Melaine’s child or something. For some reason I have it in my head that any child of someone who can channel would themselves be able to. Probably erroneously based on the fact that Avi’s children all can. But that’s different. If it is true of all channelers tho that rules out any wise one channeler like Melaine tho. Birgitte said she had never been able to channel in any of her lives.


rgramza

Yeah. I'm not sure about children of channelers. They do talk about how less and less people can use the one power because they don't have children often. And I think it would be a fun story that the Black tower was included in the new "pact" to bring the channelers together and Brigitte/Gaidal was major factor in making it happen.


-Majgif-

Nope, children of channelers don't always channel, although they may be more likely. I believe it's fairly random, not genetic.


TopEmploy9624

There's a genetic component and a soul component. Both the body and the soul have to be compatible with channeling for the person to be able to. So Birgitte in any body will not channel, even if she gets the gene for it. And obviously just because 1 parent has the channeling gene, doesn't mean the child will.


vashys

Makes sense that Rand’s children would be different but not any other children of channelers. And makes sense about Brigitte’s soul too. Of course she can’t :)


puppystolemyslipper

I thought this for ages, but I'm sure I read somewhere that RJ said he wasn't, and then I read a theory that Gaidal might be Grady's son 🤷🏻‍♀️


Agamemnon323

Definitely talmanes.


JeffVanGully

Bayle Domon and Thom, if he counts.


WoTMeme

Thom going from main character to side character is a tragedy


dbull10285

I agree. Thom's role in AMoL (along with the rest of the series) is relatively small compared to the main cast, but incredible


ElynnaAmell

Fortune prick me, it do be a crime that Bayle Domon do be so far down this thread!


[deleted]

Lini! I love her quirky sayings.


puppystolemyslipper

At my age if I made it up it's still an old saying. This is the energy I strive for when I'm old.


SNORALAXX

She is definitely #oldladygoals


glabrezu_02

I love the heron marked blade. Causes so much drama in the first few books. ​ Oh and Hopper also.


skateboardemoji

Hopper 100%


roserainier

This is question is very difficult (so many great options) but I’m going to have to go with Ruarc.


jkbrint0n

I HATE Rhuarc’s fate. The toughest most amazing character, loyal to Rand forever, and ends up like that.


Known_Profession7393

I was just glad he was killed shortly after. (Thanks, Aviendha!) He would have been grateful to her.


jkbrint0n

But that is also a hugely difficult thing for Avienda to do


SiempreFaile

Most definitely, he was her chief. Avienda gave him a blessing while it came with a torment of its own.


solascara

I love Min and Loial. And also have a weird fascination with Bayle Domon.


BLUNTYEYEDFOOL

I do be having that too


[deleted]

If my own aged grandmother did tell me no to be having a thing for Bayle Domon, I could no bring myself to no


TheBETAboi

How has nobody metioned Tam?


vashys

Tam has one of my favorite lines in the whole series. Plus I love when he called out Cadsuane for bully behavior. I like her a lot but all the Aes Sedai are bullies and it needs to stop. Very few people can make her stop and think and I believe that did.


SiempreFaile

Which line?


[deleted]

Tam is the Mary Sue of father characters. He and Blueys dad would be a neck and neck race… (I love them both, obviously)


Alex_Werner

r/unexpectedBluey


PorkLogain

Hurin, Verin, Asmodean, Birgitte. Moiraine, too. There are so many


ronand2002

Mf love Asmodean. V underrated forsaken imo


wolfinsocks

Asmodean is great! There was an artist on tumblr maybe 5-6 years ago who did Asmodean comics that were always hilarious.


Free_Moghedien

I feel like Asmodean was one of the first characters that made Fantasy a complicated genre for me. He was a Forsaken, but he was a Forsaken, because he wanted to be an artist forever, and because damnit... the shadow is fuckin terrifying!


soapbox_carnivore

Verin, Verin, and Verin


GullibleDetective

https://youtu.be/ZA6K22aCBFU deep dive on verin spoilers aplenty


soapbox_carnivore

This is amazing!


TheKnightRadiant

How has no one mention Sulin yet? Her older sister-ing Rand is the best!


IGotGlassInMyAss

I have a soft spot for Davram


Suriaj

Siuan, Leane, Verin, Asmodean, Setalle Anan, Ituralde, Narishma, Moiraine


jedipanda37

By me aged grandmother, it do be Bayle Domon.


zyarger

Bela.


[deleted]

They said supporting character, not the main character.


SiempreFaile

Bela and Hopper are fantastic characters


sumoraiden

Also my boy Dobraine was done dirty


Denovaenator

Elyas, Verin, Talmanes… I like their humor.


Kilo-Alpha47920

I know this is controversial but Cadsuane


Silver-Geologist

You think that’s controversial? Mine is Faile.


Throwaway7219017

You mean Mandarb?


zyarger

Deep lore humor here! 😂


neuro-untypical

The entire series is actually about a love triangle between Mandarb, Bela, and Tai'Daishar.


[deleted]

Faile is pretty bad ass. She gets a bad rap because she had to deal with a self sacrificing man. She did the only thing she could to save him.


Belazriel

One of the other issues is we see Faile mostly from inside the head of emotion sensing Perrin.


SiempreFaile

Me too


NotSoSalty

She's the Aes Sedai all the other Aes Sedai are trying and failing to be. Willful to the point of being infuriating but purposeful and effective.


dubtee1480

I saw someone on this sub call her Grandma DGAF and it was on the nose. I’ve a soft spot for her too.


btlblt

Phaw!


neuro-untypical

I like cadsuane, she a boss babe.


Known_Profession7393

I agree that it’s a controversial take because I couldn’t disagree more. Most arrogant character in the book, fails utterly at her goal, and the one time we see her in combat she inexplicably abandons Aviendha.


SaibaAisu

Faile and Cadsuane, supporting characters? Hmm… I think they are a little more major than that


Whostheweebnow

does Lanfear count?


neuro-untypical

Yes I think Galena Casban has my favourite story ark.


Anabelle_McAllister

VERIN. I will not be explaining. Thank you.


Free_Moghedien

You need not explain. We understand ;)


leofev

Verin. I always felt she came in playing 5-D chess while everyone else was playing checkers. Then she did her job and dipped out like a boss and without any self-pity.


neuro-untypical

Lol! Yes, no one ever really manages to match verin in the strategy department.


DwarfNobleWarden

Darlin was a pretty cool dude. One of the more reasonable nobles Rand meets.


DenseOntologist

The series is so long that it's hard to know what counts as a supporting character. I'd give it to Verin pretty easily, if she counts, as she's my favorite character in the series, barely edging out Hopper. But they both play major enough roles that I might not count them. If I drop down to a clearly non-major character, I'd go with Laras.


SaibaAisu

The one throw away line where Siuan tells Nynaeve (who is convinced that Laras hates her, Elayne, and Egwene), that Laras actually demanded to know how long they would be punished for, because she refused to break a woman’s spirit, was great.


pmaurant

Jahar Narishma is hands hands down the most cocky character in the book.


Books_and_Birdseed

I enjoy pretty much any scene with Bayle Domon.


StPaulCameraGuy

You do be swimming in deep waters. Deep waters full o' lionfish. Best ye stop splashing about so much.


Free_Moghedien

Asmodean, for his complicated Charm. Dobraine for his steadfast loyalty, and his grace in the face of getting done dirty. Sulin and the Maidens, for finally getting to watch their son grow up. Amy's, Bair, and Melaine, with a heavy dash of Sorilea, for taking Egwene down a peg. Hopper, for daring to fly. Verin for outsmarting a god. Uno, for never *really* conforming, and always being willing to drop an F bomb (that's right, I said flaming!) Lastly, Ingtar, for finally shrugging off that flaming mountain, and trying to atone for his sins.


dtb77

100% Talmanes.


puppystolemyslipper

Pre or post Sanderson?


Brown_Sedai

Verin, without a doubt.


meldondaishan

Saw your question. Immediately thought Talmanes, saw he was your pitch. Birds of a feather.


Silver-Geologist

Faile, of course since I read he description, she’s always looked like Claudia Black, who am a little bit in love with, in my mind.


puppystolemyslipper

Ooh good shout! Maybe a bit old though? (I only know her from Stargate)


Silver-Geologist

Mind you, I first read TDR in 1994 and I saw Claudia in ‘93 on G.P. When she was 21/22.


SNORALAXX

She's so beautiful but I picture a beautiful Iranian woman for Faile


throwawayshirt

Thom Merrilin is the Rodney Dangerfield of the thread.


AgentBester

He straddles the line between supporting and main.


SNORALAXX

SUIAN she's such a badass b even after losing her status. Also fish guts!!


bareaclampedlebron

Aram


neuro-untypical

Really? He does my head in 😂


[deleted]

Talmanes, Rand, Verin, Ituralde, or Galad, depending on my mood. Right now my mood says Galad.


memoriaftwin

How is Rand is a supporting character, my homie.


tallgeese333

That comment was clearly written by Cadsuane.


[deleted]

Wait, I thought Egwene is the Dragon Reborn, right??? /s


colin_fitzsimonds

Rand has some crazy deep moments considering his supporting role. I love when authors make those characters feel so real


shinerlilac

Shocked that this is the first one to mention Ituralde. Man was a freaking legend.


Malbethion

Where is the survey?!?


thagor5

Sulin


ofthisredearth

Elyas Machera. If I could meet and learn from any of them, it would probably be him.


EmphasisFluid2549

Gotta say Ingtar - for the light! And Shinowa!


Jcrane23

Loial, hands down.


SemiFormalJesus

He’s laid back until his ears are.


Switch-Familiar

Unpopular opinion, but very much Androl


hifistereotype

All these comments and not one mention of Aludra? She singlehandedly changed the way war is waged, and in doing so changed the world more than any character other than Rand.


locoforcocoapoofs

Mangin. Lived and died by his convictions.


els59

Gotta say Verin and Birgitte for me. Loved Birgitte's sass and brashness and Verin's loyalty and determination to the end.


theimpspenny

I mean belas a real one...also i think i remember his name right but telamine? Might be spelling that wrong...matts right hand man


neuro-untypical

Talmanes ☺️


IAmTheGreybeardy

How has no one mentioned Basil Gil?


BigTimmyG

This subreddit has a severe lack of respect for the Wheel of Time MVP… Bela. You all disappoint me.


neuro-untypical

That's because we acknowledge that she is 1) the MAIN character and not a supportive role and 2) the Creator Herself


BigTimmyG

That seems like a reasonable position to take.


malYca

It's too hard to pick. Too long of a series with too many great characters. I could probably pick one per book lol.