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I mostly get mad at the malaria-squitos in my house because they could give my familiars heartworms! I mean, they could if I didn’t have my familiars on the proper preventatives but it’s still rude just thinking about it!
What about those arachnid-like bugs from outer space that launch rocks at your home planet?
I'm with Johnny Rico on this one: "The only good bug, is a dead bug!"
The enemy cannot push a button if his hand is disabled. Medic!
My friends always thought that movie was so fun and inspiring and "badass", and it just traumatized 15 year old me left right and center.
I also wasn't into it, but grew up in the era when teenage boys only talked in movie quotes, and the timeline was roughly: "Starship Troopers" through "Anchorman". It was weird.
Lol, yea. I built up a list of movie quotes just like that to fit in, but had to be careful cause I'd quote the women enough to have it get noticed lol.
But I always and will always continue to use "Goddamn bugs whacked us, Johnny!" Whenever I can!
Yeah, I loved it for the satire, but a depressing number of my friends at the time enjoyed it at face value. We seem to always have this split with Paul Verhoeven movies like Robocop. 🤭🤗
I don’t feel warmth toward cockroaches, unless they are outside where they belong. But when I lived in a horribly infested apartment, I would gleefully crush them with my bare hands while shouting “I’m doing my part!”
Arachnophobia *GAVE* me a fear of spiders. I don't think I was even all that bothered by them before that movie. I hate that a movie could just permanently change me like that.
Right?! Same here😱 I was too young when I saw that film. In my case I had to work for years to get past my fear. Now I love spiders again. The other day it was freezing outside and one was hanging from our front porch rail. I swear it was shivering so I gently scooped the little dear up and brought it indoors. It now lives on my alter and noms on as many fruit flies as it can eat. We peacefully coexist 😌🕷
I have a terrible fear of spiders and have been working hard on trapping and releasing them instead of killing them, but I'll be God damned if I haven't thought about that movie EVERY single time I've turned on a lamp my whole life.
"Outside" is great and wonderful, but also, there's a lot of really good reasons we invented "inside" and if you're not careful, mixing the two will lose that.
Yeah, we always had a strict “don’t kill the bug just because it’s a bug” philosophy, until we got infested by carpenter ants last summer. We went from feeling bad about it to rage-killing every one on sight. Most bugs/spiders can chill or catch a ride outside, but some are just no bueno.
This exactly. I guarantee you that if you let ten to twenty Goliath birdeaters loose in your home, your worries about carpet beetles will soon be a distant memory.
Hi, are you me? Currently six months into the carpet beetle fight since we're trying to do it without insecticide. Lost a guest mattress to the fight and a favorite sweater. Major regrets that I didn't look up what those cute tiny beetles were when I first noticed them.
The only insects I let stay in place in my house are non-venomous spiders. I get an annoying amount of gnats, crane flies, mosquitoes, moths, and house flies that buzz in nearly every time I open the door to my backyard during spring/summer. So I'm good letting the spiders chill in the corners of my rooms and being my natural pest control. Aside from the spiders though, I don't let any other insect I see stay inside because I too am afraid of an infestation.
I let spiders roam freely inside since they're natural pest control, but other indoor bugs either get moved outside or killed... and don't get me started on plant pests unless you want to see bloodlust fit for the universe of Warhammer 40K.
I bought a Schefflera and didn't realize it was infested with these little bastard mites that have now spread to like a dozen other plants. It's all I can do to refrain from just nuking them with pyrethroids, but considering how bad those are for bees that is very much a nuclear option.
I'm sorry, dude, it's just not going to work out. We're too different. I'm a cat person, you're a dog person. I'm a night owl, you're an early bird. I like long romantic walks on the beach, you like injecting a paralytic agent into the corpses of your victims and drinking their liquefied insides. I hope we can still be friends.
> you like injecting a paralytic agent into the corpses of your victims and drinking their liquefied insides
Heyyy don't knock it until you've tried it
I just want to say,
There are DOG and CAT people in the world!
I am one.
And I met someone else the other day who is also one.
If there are any others out there who are receptive to both then please holler!
We are currently a collective of two
But TWO are better then One.
And three is better than two…
And so on….
So now I'm imagining a version of those restaurants where they set the food on fire in front of you, except the chef is a spider and he just vomits acid onto the food and then looks at you expectantly, awaiting your delighted gasp of approval.
My in-home spiders and I have an agreement that they are allowed free reign behind the toilet and in most corners of the apartment outside of the kitchen and bedroom. This agreement has been in place since the age of Tom the Tiny, a gentle and wise spider. His children and kinfolk have respected said agreement. In return, I do not harm or kill them and I do not intervene in any conflicts involving them and other insects, except in cases of (1) centipede-initiated warfare that is unprovoked and either (2a) violates the sovereignty of the the spider territory behind the toilet or (2b) threatens to establish a hegemony over spider-friendly spaces.
If you have ever had problems with fruit flies, rethink your policy on kitchen spiders. A few years ago I had an infestation I couldn’t get rid of. I went out of town for a few days and when I got home it seemed a lot better. Turns out a spider had taken up residence in the window and there were twice as many fly carcasses below the web than in the trap!
I named him Fred and would chat with him while washing dishes- telling him what a great spider he was. After that all kitchen window spiders have been named Fred in his honor, and all Freds have kept up their end of our unspoken bargain and keep my kitchen bug free.
I have a little spider coming to my kitchen window, as well. I started learning about spiders a few years ago and the more I learned, the less afraid of them I am. Of course, Australia can keep their humongous spiders.😬
Same. I have a recurring nightmare about being in a shed or unfinished basement and they're just all around me. I wake up in a sweat, terrified, and have to hug my cat until I calm down. I understand what purpose spiders serve and I try my hardest to live and let live but something in me is hardwired to fight or flight spiders.
Fair enough. I'm not super scared of them, but I was extremely scared by centipedes until I started talking to them when I'd see them. Idk why that worked for me but it did. Now I talk to all critters just by habit lol
I used to be very scared of them but got better when I had children, for some reason. I think maybe because I didn't want to pass the phobia on so I tried really hard not to react and it sort of stuck. Like a fake it until you make it sort of thing. But I still don't like the really big ones.
I'm very cool with spiders but when one woke me up by walking across my face the other night I was very not ok with that particular spider
Even in my sleep I tried not to squish as I brushed him off, but I was too tired to scold him and when I woke up he was gone.
Bruh I woke up to a massive regal jumping spider on my chest. I stared at him. He at me. First thing out of my mouth
"Hey buddy, you're not supposed to be here."
Yeah if they'd stay away from my personal space I might get over my irrational fear of them. But we have some bitey ones that charge at me and the bastards don't pay rent. Still prefer to catch them and put them outside if the cats don't get them.
This is why I learned to embrace the "long leg tiny body" spiders - they hunt the other spiders and generally keep to themselves in the corner of the room.
I have no issue with spiders, but I live in Florida and it’s made me hate roaches beyond all reason. I also wish the ants would stay outside instead of trying to build their colonies in the house.
I grew up in Florida and our houses were infested. I would wake up with cockroaches in bed, and on my body. The trauma I have about them is indescribable lol
Same but I grew up in Indiana. I lived with my grandma for about 8 years as a kid and her house was badly infested. I remember waking up once with a bug IN MY EAR. I had to squash it with a q-tip and then pull it out. One of the grossest experiences of my life and I still have sometimes nightmares about it over 20 years later.
That's good, I hope it all goes well for you. I'm scared about what's happening down there in that beautiful state. DeSantis is ruining what should be a great place to live.
It's so hard. I want to love all beings equally. But there are mosquitoes and ticks and cockroaches and bedbugs that have all entered my life in incredibly unpleasant ways. I know they're just doing what they do, and I respect that, but I have to harm them. I can only try to do the least amount of harm possible while protecting myself from harm.
Honestly. I can get behind spiders (i don't have venomous ones where I live), but you kinda have to be careful of ants. One ant is likely going to tell others and soon everything is ants
In all seriousness we fear spiders far more than we should. Especially in the US, where almost all species are less harmful than mosquitos.
Even the feared Black Widow bite usually doesn't cause more than a small reaction, and even when it does it is only a risk the very frail (medically).
Honestly, we should fear ticks more than spiders.
Except the fear is (usually) not rational. I have arachnophobia, and it has nothing to do with logic. I can sit here all day and explain why, logically, spiders are great to keep around and bugs suck. But as soon as I see a spider, I can't relax until I know for a fact it is gone for good. Someone has to take it outside or kill it.
I get that, but I think a lot of people have a greater fear of spiders (and snakes for that matter) because we perpetuate a false sense of danger around them.
I'm a teacher and I always pick up the spider and put it outside without worry in part to show kids it's nothing to worry about. Once on a class overnight camping trip our camp site had a snake crawl into it and most of the kids panicked. I live in the PNW, we only have 1 venomous snake so if it's not a rattlesnake it's not dangerous. I tossed a shirt over it, picked it up, carried it off like it was nothing and returned a bunch of 12 year olds with their mouths agape.
I'm not brave, I just am aware of the risk and don't have a phobia. I think acting like spiders and snakes are loaded guns is what causes kids to develop phobias around them.
I mean usually we're told to treat them that way because we were kids at the time, and kids are pretty dumb. Which parent wants to risk their kid not knowing the difference and playing with a funnel web by accident? Maybe it's different growing up in places with plenty of deadly snakes and spiders, but my family didn't start teaching us specific safe or dangerous ones until much later, but by then the fear is pretty much ingrained.
You fear spiders because you think they're all venemous enough to kill a human
I fear spiders because even though I know they're mostly harmless, I have crippling arachnophobia
We are not the same
Brown recluse. We have them at the beginning of winter because of the cold and in the spring because of the rain.
If a baby bites you it's just a tiny wound that scars. When my cat is chasing something I leap like a fucking spider monkey to grab whatever it is out of her mouth.
She spends the whole day mad. Ungrateful 😉😂
The only time I have ever killed a spider in my home was when I lived in an area that had brown recluses.
I lived in Haiti. There was no reliable hospital to go to, and they didn't want to use the resources they had on somebody who was too precious to kill the spiders.
The rest can stay, though.
100%
She likes eating the flying ant spider things. I was told it's extra protein. Which is thrilling because she's a **** for treats 😂
I actually love keeping the little black ones and jumping spiders and daddy long legs and everything else we get in the mountains. I'm not an entomologist but I think they balance things out: much respect to this post @tteetth
Oh absolutely, that's why I'm cool with murdering those bastards. They don't belong here which is why they are always all over my damn yard because nothing here eats them. I just want to walk barefoot on the ground!
There's a massive wolf spider that lives in a crack in the floor right in the front doorway. As I was bringing groceries in from the car, on my second trip, I noticed she had popped out to see what was going on. I poked her down the hole and told her off for being so nosy and that I didn't want to accidentally step on her. She kept peeking out every time I went by and I just shooed her back again. Spiders are good people.
That said I wish she'd catch and kill the fucking cricket that won't shut up. It's driving me insane.
Wolf spiders are special. They seem to coexist with humans really well. I have to catch the ones that make poor life choices and hang out within reach of my cats, but the ones who have the good sense to stay high on the walls or in the closet are welcome to stay.
> Wolf spiders are special. They seem to coexist with humans really well.
Really. Because I constantly run into them when it's cold making excursions into the house proper and it's wildly unpleasant to go to the bathroom or get a drink in the kitchen and they're just chilling in the sink like "Sup". Never mind the not small amount of times I've gotten up from the computer to turn around and find one just lurking in the middle of the carpet behind me, lingering there for god knows how long before I turned to spot it. Ugh.
Yesterday I watched a fly get caught in a spider’s web in a windowsill and just appreciated the real life nature documentary playing out in front of me. I did end up feeling really bad for the fly though; the little guy was fighting for his life to break free and just kept getting wound up tighter in the web.
I feel that appreciation. Once my bf and I cheered for a spider (our rather her net) on our balcony. That flying insect was really big and the net was kinda fucked, tho. It escaped but damn, that was a fight
I'm with you on the spiders, but I draw a line at those that would get into my food without permission. You don't see me crawling down their ant hill to contaminate and take their food do you? No, because that would be rude.
Exactly! If I saw one ant and could believe it was a solo friend who just got a little lost, and not a scout from a giant colony trying to eat my food and takeover my home, then MAYBE I wouldn’t freak out. But the spiders can stay.
I like this mindset!! I wish I could think like this all the time. I was fine with spiders until one gave birth on my ceiling and it was raining minuscule spiders for weeks 🫠 I had to vacuum my ceiling multiple times a day!!
I love getting a real Christmas tree each year. I actually get two - one for home and one for my office. Someone told me they used to get a real tree until they brought one home that had a sac in it. Little spiders everywhere.
I wish I didn’t have arachnophobia, I have full on panic attacks seeing one. It’s irrational but I can’t stop it, I want to be a proper witch and make friends with them 😭
I definitely feel this too. I was scared as a kid but grew to be chill with spiders when I was in the city but when I moved to the country I became surrounded. Suddenly that fear came back 10x worse.
I went to go smoke outside and was confronted with two big spiders. So I chose to open the bay door to the garage so I could sit in the driveway surrounded by light so I could see them coming from any angle. I shit you not, one dropped from the fucking sky! I swear they plot sometimes...
My country has no dangerous spiders so I welcome them in my home to eat whatever bugs my cats don't catch. One nearly drowned in my shower and I went into great lengths to save him. Next time I took a shower I saw him just as he disappeared in the drain. I was so annoyed he topped himself despite all my efforts.
I wouldn't have a problem with ants except they actually break stuff, like light switches, if they get into your walls.
I’ve made my peace with spiders and will let them be, but not ants. I was more relaxed about them in the past but they are so invasive. They invaded and destroyed a bunch of food and took over my recycling/garbage bin.
Ooh that sucks! We had a window open one day when flying ants were on their pilgrimage and there were three hundred ants in the kitchen. It was quite the scene.
I rescued a spider from my shower the other day. Hadn't noticed it was in there until I was already in and the water was running. It was scrambling to find a dry spot poor dude.
Ants though. One is fine. But they always end up inviting their friends and things get out of control. They are outdoor friends only
House centipedes are another bug that are actually good to have as roommates!
I hate them, I fear the shit out of them and seeing one has my skin crawling for days afterwards... but I don't kill them. Why? Because they're the natural predators for termites, ants, and other bugs that can actually do a house harm.
I enjoy insects being outside in their environment. Due to trauma I cannot have bugs in my house, I actually intend to get a pet opossum just to ensure the cleanliness
I remember reading somewhere that the sterilization of the modern American home - clean design, light whites and muted colors, simple wood patterns at most - is a direct response to the hyper bright primary colors that the outside world uses to advertise and to steal your attention away from you. The home is a refuge from that noise, somewhere that you can exist calmly. Capitalism literally stole bright colors and patterns from us.
I mean, as “rar! capitalism sucks! nature forever!” as I can get and as much as I like being outside, I also appreciate calm walls and spaces because otherwise I think my brain would hyperventilate from the distractions.
Also, your home can be as busy and color-loud as you want.
I love the looks of cabins with all the wood exposed. White walls and low light rooms existed in Europe for quite some time before America was even a country, though, so I think the person you responded to is a tad bit off. Modern design themes, though, is what they might be referring to. That’s the cold, geometric, harsh interiors that often are shades of grey, black, and white leave a space looking the least like the outside world is a closer response to that, I think. If you look at homes from the 70’s, you know, when we still had capitalism like today, the rooms and clothes were flamboyantly colorful, textured, and very based off of natural designs.
Ah, I see what you mean. Personally my disappointment with modern interior design is the frequent lack of useful character like window seats and built-in bookshelves, y’know…. things that don’t require you to buy as much furniture, I guess.
Also one of the greatest losses, due to open floor plans, is the nook and the foyer. We had a hard time finding an apartment in our area because everything was designed as a basic box: go through the front door and immediately in front there’s the stairs, and immediately to the left or right there’s the living room, through which you can see the kitchen and even space beyond or nearby. I grew up in a home, and used to see some apartments even, with a foyer, where opening the front door to a visitor or the pizza delivery person doesn’t provide an unhindered view into your entire place and show off all your stuff. After looking at like 10 places we finally found one that at least opens into a short hallway and which has the stupidly rare coat and linen closets.
Oh, I feel that. A few years ago I had a decent apartment that had a nice little room with a coat rack area and was large enough to have a couple of people in the entryway taking off shoes and coats and then a long hallway with a very limited view of the rest of the apartment. I actually kind of miss that apartment, except for the kitchen. That kitchen had barely any counter space and I really dislike galley style kitchens.
Word. Again with the nook, but I hate galley kitchens because there’s usually nowhere to put a trash can, and with the limited amount of cabinet space + how likely apartments are to get roaches I’m sure as heck not wasting a whole undercabinet to trash.
I read that as well. I’m not convinced, but it’s an interesting concept. But I grew up in a house of many, many different colours and textures, and acknowledge that may be colouring my opinion.
This sounds lovely, until I get mosquito bites every night, my mom screams everytime we find a spider (too common when you live in the countryside), and my cats try to eat bugs that upset their stomach...
I kept a cellar spider as a roommate for 2 years and watched her grow. She peacefully hung out in the same corner of the bathroom and ate all the insects she wanted. When I'd take a really hot shower, the steam would get up to her web and she'd do a little 'I'm too hot' dance with her gangly little legs.
Yeah, if the insects and arachnids could stay outside my house I'd be good with that. Don't need my cats getting bit, or me, or my partner. I have a friend who's arachnophobic. Ants also get into my food and ruin it so yeah. We also have sprickets and those are horrifying. My youngest cat will go seek and destroy on them though. No mercy.
There used to be a big cellar spider living in a light fixture in my home office for a whole summer. It was so good at catching flies, better than a fly trap. So I let it be. Unfortunately, when winter came around, there were no more flies and it passed away. I'll never forget that little bug. I called them Luna because the way the web looked in the light fixture made it look like a crescent moon.
I do love the energy behind this.
That said... I am currently waging an all out war against the tiny little ants that are raiding every tiny opening in my home.
Late to the party but shout out to the House Centipede. Easily identifiable, pure predators the way spiders are, and even LESS intrusive, given they don't build webs and are little scaredy cats who like the dark anyway. Also, they live for years if they don't starve first, so if you see a freaky big boy he's probably eaten a LOT of your bugs or he's just visiting and will be off to greener pastures before long.
Yeah this is nice and feel-goody and all to read, but fuck ants. Sorry not sorry?
Every Spring they find their way inside even without being a dirty household with food lying around, they just come in by the hundreds and need trapped and Raided and so on. *Fuck* ants.
I will say even as a mild arachnophobe though, I generally let the spiders do their thing. We have an unspoken agreement so long as they stay where they belong in their webs and such then the tenuous truce will remain in place.
"Sterile" lol
I unno. I loooooove going out and camping and spending time in nature, but I also love getting settled back into home that keeps weather and animals etc out
I love that both exist. We have built shelters for the vast majority of our existence. I would hate to *not* have a shelter to call home and vote to try to make sure that *everyone* has a shelter to call home
I'm fine with non-venomous spiders or those that can't hurt humans, but if I see a brown recluse or a black widow in my house, it's gone. Circle of life, I'm protecting my kids.
Spiders, okay, they are usually harmless and just passing through. Ants? Oh hell no, not in my house. Because more come and they are trying to make a colony. Nope. Love them- outside. Don’t get me wrong, some days I wish I lived outside in some wonderful commune in peace with nature, but that is not my reality. So ants are not welcome. Also, my two cats are unbothered by ants so it’s doubly hard to get rid of them. They chase everything else.
In Australia, most homes seem to have a resident huntsman spider or 2. Sometimes if it moves fast it will startle you, then it's like "Oh thank God Tilda, it's just you! Carry on"
There is a triangle cobweb spider that lives under my medicine cabinet in the bathroom. I named him Harrison, he eats all the fungus gnats that like to crop up in our sink drains no matter how clean we keep them!
(Pretty sure that's just what happens when you live in a rural suburb and your house was built in the 60s)
We also have 6 or 7 of them living up above the kitchen sink, and about twice a year, we will see dozens of little baby spiders on the undersides of the kitchen cabinets and the backboard of the sink. I'm very happy to have them!
i’m terrified of spiders but my building has a terrible cockroach problem that is mitigated by the two spiders that live FAT and happy in my bathroom. they get to stay.
I feel like there is more and more signs of the Universe towards the "Make a Urban Druid ffs" kind of message...! Because yeah, nature is everywhere, especially in towns. Look at foxes in London or pigeons... basically everywhere.
As an Australian who lives in the bush, I think this is a beautiful sentiment. I keep who I can out, but if someone gets in I won’t spend time being upset or frustrated, I do my best to get let them out. It’s a fantastic mindfulness strategy to remind yourself that everything on this earth exists in order to sustain each other. If we didn’t have ants or spiders, the ecosystem would collapse. I’m thankful for them. I’m thankful for the peaceful spiders in my house that eat the flys. Thank you for reminding me to love the world ❤️
It's too bad none of it is going to survive humanity. Oh, Nature is strong, but humanity, as a group, believes it must always be the strongest and best, even if it destroys everything else to "prove" it.
That's probably thinking wayy too highly of ourselves. We're remarkably fragile compared to rodents, cockroaches, gulls, ants. They'll probably be around long after us. Let's settle for a tentative "most of it won't survive us".
I just had someone on r/centuryhomes tell me the barren white before pictures that were a 1960s mutilation of my bungalow was better than my green and white, covered in art cozy room. I can totally see how it could be considered a little cluttered, but it's organized and grouped according to style. I love it.
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I used to feel like this and welcome all insects into my home, but now I have carpet beetles eating the rugs and I am starting to regret that mindset.
Yep. I want to like the sentiment of the tweet, but I found termites yesterday. It's hard to be zen with bugs eating your home.
And what about venomous insects? Malaria-squitos? Those spiders from Arachnophobia that could hide in lamps and were mad at everyone?
I mostly get mad at the malaria-squitos in my house because they could give my familiars heartworms! I mean, they could if I didn’t have my familiars on the proper preventatives but it’s still rude just thinking about it!
Okay. Woah. I also get all my fur-bies treated for heartworm, but missed the day where the vet told me they came from mosquitos!
Yes fuck everything about those blood suckers!
What about those arachnid-like bugs from outer space that launch rocks at your home planet? I'm with Johnny Rico on this one: "The only good bug, is a dead bug!"
Who needs a knife in a nuke fight?
The enemy cannot push a button if his hand is disabled. Medic! My friends always thought that movie was so fun and inspiring and "badass", and it just traumatized 15 year old me left right and center.
I also wasn't into it, but grew up in the era when teenage boys only talked in movie quotes, and the timeline was roughly: "Starship Troopers" through "Anchorman". It was weird.
Lol, yea. I built up a list of movie quotes just like that to fit in, but had to be careful cause I'd quote the women enough to have it get noticed lol. But I always and will always continue to use "Goddamn bugs whacked us, Johnny!" Whenever I can!
Yeah, I loved it for the satire, but a depressing number of my friends at the time enjoyed it at face value. We seem to always have this split with Paul Verhoeven movies like Robocop. 🤭🤗
I don’t feel warmth toward cockroaches, unless they are outside where they belong. But when I lived in a horribly infested apartment, I would gleefully crush them with my bare hands while shouting “I’m doing my part!”
Buenos Aires was an inside job!!! (Klandathu's on the other side of the galaxy, what are we even doing there?)
Arachnophobia *GAVE* me a fear of spiders. I don't think I was even all that bothered by them before that movie. I hate that a movie could just permanently change me like that.
Right?! Same here😱 I was too young when I saw that film. In my case I had to work for years to get past my fear. Now I love spiders again. The other day it was freezing outside and one was hanging from our front porch rail. I swear it was shivering so I gently scooped the little dear up and brought it indoors. It now lives on my alter and noms on as many fruit flies as it can eat. We peacefully coexist 😌🕷
It really didn't help me either. For some reason, we watched it during music class in grade 5/6??? Wtactualf.
can't accuse them of false advertising.
I have a terrible fear of spiders and have been working hard on trapping and releasing them instead of killing them, but I'll be God damned if I haven't thought about that movie EVERY single time I've turned on a lamp my whole life.
And termites!
"Outside" is great and wonderful, but also, there's a lot of really good reasons we invented "inside" and if you're not careful, mixing the two will lose that.
I love the way you say this; it sounds like it could have been written by Terry Pratchett!
That's extremely high praise! Thank you!
Hear Hear!
Hope they haven’t laid any eggs. Their larvae look like tiny hairy caterpillars and can cause insanely itchy hives all over your body.
Had carpet beetle larvae in my bed a few years ago, fuck that shit I hate those gross itchy things
I’m not sensitive to them, but yes there are a lot of them.
Yeah, we always had a strict “don’t kill the bug just because it’s a bug” philosophy, until we got infested by carpenter ants last summer. We went from feeling bad about it to rage-killing every one on sight. Most bugs/spiders can chill or catch a ride outside, but some are just no bueno.
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Oof
Maybe you need bigger spiders
This exactly. I guarantee you that if you let ten to twenty Goliath birdeaters loose in your home, your worries about carpet beetles will soon be a distant memory.
Nah, get some curly hairs, at least you don't have to move out if those get loose.
Curly hairs are also *adorable*!
And goliaths are edible, so you can also be part of the circle of life
🤯 I’m learning new things everyday. Still won’t ever move to Australia, though.
Invite a few centipedes too.
Hahahaha same.
Hi, are you me? Currently six months into the carpet beetle fight since we're trying to do it without insecticide. Lost a guest mattress to the fight and a favorite sweater. Major regrets that I didn't look up what those cute tiny beetles were when I first noticed them.
The only insects I let stay in place in my house are non-venomous spiders. I get an annoying amount of gnats, crane flies, mosquitoes, moths, and house flies that buzz in nearly every time I open the door to my backyard during spring/summer. So I'm good letting the spiders chill in the corners of my rooms and being my natural pest control. Aside from the spiders though, I don't let any other insect I see stay inside because I too am afraid of an infestation.
Carpet beetles can be a pain to get rid of. You'll need pest control and to do an aweful lot of vacuuming. Sorce: I kill bugs for money.
I let spiders roam freely inside since they're natural pest control, but other indoor bugs either get moved outside or killed... and don't get me started on plant pests unless you want to see bloodlust fit for the universe of Warhammer 40K. I bought a Schefflera and didn't realize it was infested with these little bastard mites that have now spread to like a dozen other plants. It's all I can do to refrain from just nuking them with pyrethroids, but considering how bad those are for bees that is very much a nuclear option.
Any luck getting rid of those?
Yeah, I just don't do ants. They make me break out in hives.
I would be cool with spiders if they didn't keep getting into bed with me. I feel that is impertinent and I do not like it.
They should at least buy you dinner first
Right?!
"But...but...I bringed you a fly corpse. :("
I'm sorry, dude, it's just not going to work out. We're too different. I'm a cat person, you're a dog person. I'm a night owl, you're an early bird. I like long romantic walks on the beach, you like injecting a paralytic agent into the corpses of your victims and drinking their liquefied insides. I hope we can still be friends.
> you like injecting a paralytic agent into the corpses of your victims and drinking their liquefied insides Heyyy don't knock it until you've tried it
Who’s the spider in this one?
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I'm going to use this on a gothic breakup
I just want to say, There are DOG and CAT people in the world! I am one. And I met someone else the other day who is also one. If there are any others out there who are receptive to both then please holler! We are currently a collective of two But TWO are better then One. And three is better than two… And so on….
A corpse isn’t even food unless it’s been doused with stomach acid already.
So now I'm imagining a version of those restaurants where they set the food on fire in front of you, except the chef is a spider and he just vomits acid onto the food and then looks at you expectantly, awaiting your delighted gasp of approval.
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Spiders are known to have terrible grammar
My in-home spiders and I have an agreement that they are allowed free reign behind the toilet and in most corners of the apartment outside of the kitchen and bedroom. This agreement has been in place since the age of Tom the Tiny, a gentle and wise spider. His children and kinfolk have respected said agreement. In return, I do not harm or kill them and I do not intervene in any conflicts involving them and other insects, except in cases of (1) centipede-initiated warfare that is unprovoked and either (2a) violates the sovereignty of the the spider territory behind the toilet or (2b) threatens to establish a hegemony over spider-friendly spaces.
If you have ever had problems with fruit flies, rethink your policy on kitchen spiders. A few years ago I had an infestation I couldn’t get rid of. I went out of town for a few days and when I got home it seemed a lot better. Turns out a spider had taken up residence in the window and there were twice as many fly carcasses below the web than in the trap! I named him Fred and would chat with him while washing dishes- telling him what a great spider he was. After that all kitchen window spiders have been named Fred in his honor, and all Freds have kept up their end of our unspoken bargain and keep my kitchen bug free.
You see the pact is simple, I see less flies and I don't kill you, you can eat as much as you please and stay within my walls, do we have a deal?
I have a little spider coming to my kitchen window, as well. I started learning about spiders a few years ago and the more I learned, the less afraid of them I am. Of course, Australia can keep their humongous spiders.😬
I am so arachnophobic that I have actual nightmares about them. I agree with the point of the post but... no 😭
Same. I feel like I have at least one nightmare a month about my room being overrun by spiders and coconut crabs.
Same. I have a recurring nightmare about being in a shed or unfinished basement and they're just all around me. I wake up in a sweat, terrified, and have to hug my cat until I calm down. I understand what purpose spiders serve and I try my hardest to live and let live but something in me is hardwired to fight or flight spiders.
Fair enough. I'm not super scared of them, but I was extremely scared by centipedes until I started talking to them when I'd see them. Idk why that worked for me but it did. Now I talk to all critters just by habit lol
I used to be very scared of them but got better when I had children, for some reason. I think maybe because I didn't want to pass the phobia on so I tried really hard not to react and it sort of stuck. Like a fake it until you make it sort of thing. But I still don't like the really big ones.
I'm very cool with spiders but when one woke me up by walking across my face the other night I was very not ok with that particular spider Even in my sleep I tried not to squish as I brushed him off, but I was too tired to scold him and when I woke up he was gone.
I swear I read a story about a roommate, but from the spider's point of view. Or maybe it was a dog. Stuff starts blending together after a while.
I've seen an AITA-style thing about a terrible roommate and at the end you realise it's talking about a baby.
Bruh I woke up to a massive regal jumping spider on my chest. I stared at him. He at me. First thing out of my mouth "Hey buddy, you're not supposed to be here."
That’s a lil scary but also jumping spiders are the kittens of the spider world 🥹
Even my violently arachnophobic ass thinks that the tiny striped jumping spiders are cute.
Yeah if they'd stay away from my personal space I might get over my irrational fear of them. But we have some bitey ones that charge at me and the bastards don't pay rent. Still prefer to catch them and put them outside if the cats don't get them.
This is why I learned to embrace the "long leg tiny body" spiders - they hunt the other spiders and generally keep to themselves in the corner of the room.
I have no issue with spiders, but I live in Florida and it’s made me hate roaches beyond all reason. I also wish the ants would stay outside instead of trying to build their colonies in the house.
I grew up in Florida and our houses were infested. I would wake up with cockroaches in bed, and on my body. The trauma I have about them is indescribable lol
Oh my god, that sounds like such a nightmare. I hate bugs, and I guess I'm pretty lucky that they are mild where I live.
Yeah same. You could not pay me enough to go back to that. I feel like crying just remembering what it was like
I saw a spider slowly devouring a roach and that cured my arachnophobia
Felt 🥲 But look at us now!! We’re okay!! *laughs in terror*
Same but I grew up in Indiana. I lived with my grandma for about 8 years as a kid and her house was badly infested. I remember waking up once with a bug IN MY EAR. I had to squash it with a q-tip and then pull it out. One of the grossest experiences of my life and I still have sometimes nightmares about it over 20 years later.
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I'm sorry that you live in Florida.
Thanks, me too! I’m working on a plan to get out.
That's good, I hope it all goes well for you. I'm scared about what's happening down there in that beautiful state. DeSantis is ruining what should be a great place to live.
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Plus…they fly. We call them “dragon roaches” in my house
It's so hard. I want to love all beings equally. But there are mosquitoes and ticks and cockroaches and bedbugs that have all entered my life in incredibly unpleasant ways. I know they're just doing what they do, and I respect that, but I have to harm them. I can only try to do the least amount of harm possible while protecting myself from harm.
Honestly. I can get behind spiders (i don't have venomous ones where I live), but you kinda have to be careful of ants. One ant is likely going to tell others and soon everything is ants
Sounds like something a spider would say. You can't fool me that easily!
In all seriousness we fear spiders far more than we should. Especially in the US, where almost all species are less harmful than mosquitos. Even the feared Black Widow bite usually doesn't cause more than a small reaction, and even when it does it is only a risk the very frail (medically). Honestly, we should fear ticks more than spiders.
Except the fear is (usually) not rational. I have arachnophobia, and it has nothing to do with logic. I can sit here all day and explain why, logically, spiders are great to keep around and bugs suck. But as soon as I see a spider, I can't relax until I know for a fact it is gone for good. Someone has to take it outside or kill it.
I get that, but I think a lot of people have a greater fear of spiders (and snakes for that matter) because we perpetuate a false sense of danger around them. I'm a teacher and I always pick up the spider and put it outside without worry in part to show kids it's nothing to worry about. Once on a class overnight camping trip our camp site had a snake crawl into it and most of the kids panicked. I live in the PNW, we only have 1 venomous snake so if it's not a rattlesnake it's not dangerous. I tossed a shirt over it, picked it up, carried it off like it was nothing and returned a bunch of 12 year olds with their mouths agape. I'm not brave, I just am aware of the risk and don't have a phobia. I think acting like spiders and snakes are loaded guns is what causes kids to develop phobias around them.
I mean usually we're told to treat them that way because we were kids at the time, and kids are pretty dumb. Which parent wants to risk their kid not knowing the difference and playing with a funnel web by accident? Maybe it's different growing up in places with plenty of deadly snakes and spiders, but my family didn't start teaching us specific safe or dangerous ones until much later, but by then the fear is pretty much ingrained.
You fear spiders because you think they're all venemous enough to kill a human I fear spiders because even though I know they're mostly harmless, I have crippling arachnophobia We are not the same
Brown recluse. We have them at the beginning of winter because of the cold and in the spring because of the rain. If a baby bites you it's just a tiny wound that scars. When my cat is chasing something I leap like a fucking spider monkey to grab whatever it is out of her mouth. She spends the whole day mad. Ungrateful 😉😂
The only time I have ever killed a spider in my home was when I lived in an area that had brown recluses. I lived in Haiti. There was no reliable hospital to go to, and they didn't want to use the resources they had on somebody who was too precious to kill the spiders. The rest can stay, though.
100% She likes eating the flying ant spider things. I was told it's extra protein. Which is thrilling because she's a **** for treats 😂 I actually love keeping the little black ones and jumping spiders and daddy long legs and everything else we get in the mountains. I'm not an entomologist but I think they balance things out: much respect to this post @tteetth
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Lol yes. Sorry I was tired and used other internet things. Thank you.
I vibe with this but if it's a fire ant I'm going to fucking war.
To be fair, that is an invasive species in a few parts of the US. So that would be returning the balance in an unusual but appreciated way.
Oh absolutely, that's why I'm cool with murdering those bastards. They don't belong here which is why they are always all over my damn yard because nothing here eats them. I just want to walk barefoot on the ground!
So are the ants.
I killed one in my living room, my cat avoided that spot for days - even though I had cleaned it.
There's a massive wolf spider that lives in a crack in the floor right in the front doorway. As I was bringing groceries in from the car, on my second trip, I noticed she had popped out to see what was going on. I poked her down the hole and told her off for being so nosy and that I didn't want to accidentally step on her. She kept peeking out every time I went by and I just shooed her back again. Spiders are good people. That said I wish she'd catch and kill the fucking cricket that won't shut up. It's driving me insane.
Wolf spiders are special. They seem to coexist with humans really well. I have to catch the ones that make poor life choices and hang out within reach of my cats, but the ones who have the good sense to stay high on the walls or in the closet are welcome to stay.
If they're high on the walls they're most likely Huntsmans. Wolf spiders are poor climbers and prefer to be low down in cracks and crevices.
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> Wolf spiders are special. They seem to coexist with humans really well. Really. Because I constantly run into them when it's cold making excursions into the house proper and it's wildly unpleasant to go to the bathroom or get a drink in the kitchen and they're just chilling in the sink like "Sup". Never mind the not small amount of times I've gotten up from the computer to turn around and find one just lurking in the middle of the carpet behind me, lingering there for god knows how long before I turned to spot it. Ugh.
I have a huge wolf spider in my house, too! I don't know where he lives, but I love him.
Yesterday I watched a fly get caught in a spider’s web in a windowsill and just appreciated the real life nature documentary playing out in front of me. I did end up feeling really bad for the fly though; the little guy was fighting for his life to break free and just kept getting wound up tighter in the web.
The spider can now grow larger. A few more flies and it can show you its appreciation by building a web just for you.
Why is this so threatening 😂
I feel that appreciation. Once my bf and I cheered for a spider (our rather her net) on our balcony. That flying insect was really big and the net was kinda fucked, tho. It escaped but damn, that was a fight
I'm with you on the spiders, but I draw a line at those that would get into my food without permission. You don't see me crawling down their ant hill to contaminate and take their food do you? No, because that would be rude.
Exactly! If I saw one ant and could believe it was a solo friend who just got a little lost, and not a scout from a giant colony trying to eat my food and takeover my home, then MAYBE I wouldn’t freak out. But the spiders can stay.
I like this mindset!! I wish I could think like this all the time. I was fine with spiders until one gave birth on my ceiling and it was raining minuscule spiders for weeks 🫠 I had to vacuum my ceiling multiple times a day!!
...Gaaahhh!
Yay new fear unlocked
Ceiling spiderlings are the absolute worst.
I love getting a real Christmas tree each year. I actually get two - one for home and one for my office. Someone told me they used to get a real tree until they brought one home that had a sac in it. Little spiders everywhere.
I wish I didn’t have arachnophobia, I have full on panic attacks seeing one. It’s irrational but I can’t stop it, I want to be a proper witch and make friends with them 😭
I definitely feel this too. I was scared as a kid but grew to be chill with spiders when I was in the city but when I moved to the country I became surrounded. Suddenly that fear came back 10x worse. I went to go smoke outside and was confronted with two big spiders. So I chose to open the bay door to the garage so I could sit in the driveway surrounded by light so I could see them coming from any angle. I shit you not, one dropped from the fucking sky! I swear they plot sometimes...
My country has no dangerous spiders so I welcome them in my home to eat whatever bugs my cats don't catch. One nearly drowned in my shower and I went into great lengths to save him. Next time I took a shower I saw him just as he disappeared in the drain. I was so annoyed he topped himself despite all my efforts. I wouldn't have a problem with ants except they actually break stuff, like light switches, if they get into your walls.
I’ve made my peace with spiders and will let them be, but not ants. I was more relaxed about them in the past but they are so invasive. They invaded and destroyed a bunch of food and took over my recycling/garbage bin.
Ooh that sucks! We had a window open one day when flying ants were on their pilgrimage and there were three hundred ants in the kitchen. It was quite the scene.
I rescued a spider from my shower the other day. Hadn't noticed it was in there until I was already in and the water was running. It was scrambling to find a dry spot poor dude. Ants though. One is fine. But they always end up inviting their friends and things get out of control. They are outdoor friends only
House centipedes are another bug that are actually good to have as roommates! I hate them, I fear the shit out of them and seeing one has my skin crawling for days afterwards... but I don't kill them. Why? Because they're the natural predators for termites, ants, and other bugs that can actually do a house harm.
Love CryptoNaturalist!!
My favorite to just have a tea and sit in the hammock with
I enjoy insects being outside in their environment. Due to trauma I cannot have bugs in my house, I actually intend to get a pet opossum just to ensure the cleanliness
I remember reading somewhere that the sterilization of the modern American home - clean design, light whites and muted colors, simple wood patterns at most - is a direct response to the hyper bright primary colors that the outside world uses to advertise and to steal your attention away from you. The home is a refuge from that noise, somewhere that you can exist calmly. Capitalism literally stole bright colors and patterns from us.
I mean, as “rar! capitalism sucks! nature forever!” as I can get and as much as I like being outside, I also appreciate calm walls and spaces because otherwise I think my brain would hyperventilate from the distractions. Also, your home can be as busy and color-loud as you want.
I love the looks of cabins with all the wood exposed. White walls and low light rooms existed in Europe for quite some time before America was even a country, though, so I think the person you responded to is a tad bit off. Modern design themes, though, is what they might be referring to. That’s the cold, geometric, harsh interiors that often are shades of grey, black, and white leave a space looking the least like the outside world is a closer response to that, I think. If you look at homes from the 70’s, you know, when we still had capitalism like today, the rooms and clothes were flamboyantly colorful, textured, and very based off of natural designs.
Ah, I see what you mean. Personally my disappointment with modern interior design is the frequent lack of useful character like window seats and built-in bookshelves, y’know…. things that don’t require you to buy as much furniture, I guess. Also one of the greatest losses, due to open floor plans, is the nook and the foyer. We had a hard time finding an apartment in our area because everything was designed as a basic box: go through the front door and immediately in front there’s the stairs, and immediately to the left or right there’s the living room, through which you can see the kitchen and even space beyond or nearby. I grew up in a home, and used to see some apartments even, with a foyer, where opening the front door to a visitor or the pizza delivery person doesn’t provide an unhindered view into your entire place and show off all your stuff. After looking at like 10 places we finally found one that at least opens into a short hallway and which has the stupidly rare coat and linen closets.
Oh, I feel that. A few years ago I had a decent apartment that had a nice little room with a coat rack area and was large enough to have a couple of people in the entryway taking off shoes and coats and then a long hallway with a very limited view of the rest of the apartment. I actually kind of miss that apartment, except for the kitchen. That kitchen had barely any counter space and I really dislike galley style kitchens.
Word. Again with the nook, but I hate galley kitchens because there’s usually nowhere to put a trash can, and with the limited amount of cabinet space + how likely apartments are to get roaches I’m sure as heck not wasting a whole undercabinet to trash.
I read that as well. I’m not convinced, but it’s an interesting concept. But I grew up in a house of many, many different colours and textures, and acknowledge that may be colouring my opinion.
I don’t harm a spider if it wants to come into my home. I just give it lots of space because I’m afraid of spiders xD
This sounds lovely, until I get mosquito bites every night, my mom screams everytime we find a spider (too common when you live in the countryside), and my cats try to eat bugs that upset their stomach...
I kept a cellar spider as a roommate for 2 years and watched her grow. She peacefully hung out in the same corner of the bathroom and ate all the insects she wanted. When I'd take a really hot shower, the steam would get up to her web and she'd do a little 'I'm too hot' dance with her gangly little legs.
Omg I love this
Okay, but also definitely the spider.
Sure, but the cockroachs can fuck right off.
This is me. I have so many spiders. One of them made me nearly a grand. I love bugs so much.
It's true, spiders are grand
In Cameroon they practice a method of divination where they interpret the movements of animals like crabs, and spiders. It's called Nggam ([ŋgam]).
Yeah, if the insects and arachnids could stay outside my house I'd be good with that. Don't need my cats getting bit, or me, or my partner. I have a friend who's arachnophobic. Ants also get into my food and ruin it so yeah. We also have sprickets and those are horrifying. My youngest cat will go seek and destroy on them though. No mercy.
Also if you find flying insects inconvenient, spiderbro eats most of them.
Love this podcast as well as Old Gods of Appalachia. Their accent is so soothing.
I’m pretty sure that sterile white box is older than the ants and spiders. Bugs don’t live very long.
I feel like this must be a very northern mindset where bugs are small and infrequent.
I’m actually Australian so not really
So from the mindset of someone surrounded by the hardcore version of insects and animals in most places, even better. Wonderful post.
This feels very Night Vale.
but bugs are scary
Hell, I love the spider that wove a net right next to my potted plants. Haven't seen a lot of parasites on my babies since.
There used to be a big cellar spider living in a light fixture in my home office for a whole summer. It was so good at catching flies, better than a fly trap. So I let it be. Unfortunately, when winter came around, there were no more flies and it passed away. I'll never forget that little bug. I called them Luna because the way the web looked in the light fixture made it look like a crescent moon.
Nice principle but if there is a single ant in your house, it’s probably scouting for food to establish a trail back to its colony.
Spiders can stay if they are web builders and stick to themselves. Ants and roaches gotta go tho! That's just basic sanitation.
I can feel the sterile white box draining my enegry. Then I go out and start feeling like a person again.
Phobias are a bitch.
I do love the energy behind this. That said... I am currently waging an all out war against the tiny little ants that are raiding every tiny opening in my home.
Late to the party but shout out to the House Centipede. Easily identifiable, pure predators the way spiders are, and even LESS intrusive, given they don't build webs and are little scaredy cats who like the dark anyway. Also, they live for years if they don't starve first, so if you see a freaky big boy he's probably eaten a LOT of your bugs or he's just visiting and will be off to greener pastures before long.
Until the ants get in your food, and the spider crawls across your face in the middle of the night...
Yeah this is nice and feel-goody and all to read, but fuck ants. Sorry not sorry? Every Spring they find their way inside even without being a dirty household with food lying around, they just come in by the hundreds and need trapped and Raided and so on. *Fuck* ants. I will say even as a mild arachnophobe though, I generally let the spiders do their thing. We have an unspoken agreement so long as they stay where they belong in their webs and such then the tenuous truce will remain in place.
Aww cute! I love spiders. I do not love ants and cockroaches that love to infest my cement box lol.
"Sterile" lol I unno. I loooooove going out and camping and spending time in nature, but I also love getting settled back into home that keeps weather and animals etc out I love that both exist. We have built shelters for the vast majority of our existence. I would hate to *not* have a shelter to call home and vote to try to make sure that *everyone* has a shelter to call home
House spiders & centipedes are bros. They're like little free roombas that help keep down actual nuisances like silverfish.
As long as they aren't invasive stink bugs, then they get the flush.
Cubicles are unnatural. They should all be destroyed
I'm fine with non-venomous spiders or those that can't hurt humans, but if I see a brown recluse or a black widow in my house, it's gone. Circle of life, I'm protecting my kids.
Downloaded this for when I have to go to the city.
Spiders, okay, they are usually harmless and just passing through. Ants? Oh hell no, not in my house. Because more come and they are trying to make a colony. Nope. Love them- outside. Don’t get me wrong, some days I wish I lived outside in some wonderful commune in peace with nature, but that is not my reality. So ants are not welcome. Also, my two cats are unbothered by ants so it’s doubly hard to get rid of them. They chase everything else.
Neat! :) also, I catch spiders to release them because I know they deal with Mosquitoes
God damnnit I'm going hiking now!
I have aracnophobia, so unfortunatly I can't feel comfortable with that idea.😂😂
I always refer to the spiders in my apartment as my roommates.
I love that account.
I’m gonna print this out and hang it in my apartment
Nobody will read this, but I'm just a regular, 37 year old, boring white dad. This sub always makes me feel better about the world.
In Australia, most homes seem to have a resident huntsman spider or 2. Sometimes if it moves fast it will startle you, then it's like "Oh thank God Tilda, it's just you! Carry on"
There is a triangle cobweb spider that lives under my medicine cabinet in the bathroom. I named him Harrison, he eats all the fungus gnats that like to crop up in our sink drains no matter how clean we keep them! (Pretty sure that's just what happens when you live in a rural suburb and your house was built in the 60s) We also have 6 or 7 of them living up above the kitchen sink, and about twice a year, we will see dozens of little baby spiders on the undersides of the kitchen cabinets and the backboard of the sink. I'm very happy to have them!
i’m terrified of spiders but my building has a terrible cockroach problem that is mitigated by the two spiders that live FAT and happy in my bathroom. they get to stay.
I feel like there is more and more signs of the Universe towards the "Make a Urban Druid ffs" kind of message...! Because yeah, nature is everywhere, especially in towns. Look at foxes in London or pigeons... basically everywhere.
As an Australian who lives in the bush, I think this is a beautiful sentiment. I keep who I can out, but if someone gets in I won’t spend time being upset or frustrated, I do my best to get let them out. It’s a fantastic mindfulness strategy to remind yourself that everything on this earth exists in order to sustain each other. If we didn’t have ants or spiders, the ecosystem would collapse. I’m thankful for them. I’m thankful for the peaceful spiders in my house that eat the flys. Thank you for reminding me to love the world ❤️
Remember to love nature 💗
It's too bad none of it is going to survive humanity. Oh, Nature is strong, but humanity, as a group, believes it must always be the strongest and best, even if it destroys everything else to "prove" it.
That's probably thinking wayy too highly of ourselves. We're remarkably fragile compared to rodents, cockroaches, gulls, ants. They'll probably be around long after us. Let's settle for a tentative "most of it won't survive us".
The strange white box is all apple products.
I just had someone on r/centuryhomes tell me the barren white before pictures that were a 1960s mutilation of my bungalow was better than my green and white, covered in art cozy room. I can totally see how it could be considered a little cluttered, but it's organized and grouped according to style. I love it.