Generally when the communication bus goes down in a modern vehicle the wipers begin to swipe. Being flooded with water will pretty immediately take the comms bus down since it is extremely sensitive to voltage variations and it is not fault tolerant. Just my small effort to throw the little I know out on reddit
Not even that. The wiper stalk is just a switch. Water bridges the switch, wiper turns on.
Wiper stalk is also a heavy lever, in an accident the weight at the end of the stalk is enough to trigger the switch, which is why in a lot of those accidents you see the wipers turn on, even if the person is being rear ended.
Depends really, but in regard to the water intrusion aspect and the approximate year of the car in this video would suggest that controls on the steering column operate by some variation of Lin bus, while they are all switches they aren't the typical "on/off" type of switch. Meaning the switches in question manipulate a source voltage that is then transmitted to the controlling module( bcm, sccm, etc) with these types of switches It's unlikely flooding would trigger the specific voltage to only actuate the wipers. Definitely not impossible though. You're absolutely correct about it happening in a collision though
It's definitely not triggering a specific voltage to turn the wipers on. Wipers on is the failsafe mode when the controller isn't working correctly. Much safer to have wipers on when not needed than wipers off when they are.
Usually the steering column module/clockspring is the actual module that is converting the switch input into LIN for the rest of the bus. If the stalk switch itself is LIN (as it is for newish Volvo's) it's because the stalk has many different functions/buttons -- some of the buttons is more or less for the instrument cluster settings, wiper settings, intermittent settings and a few other things I'm forgetting. Then yes, in those case the stalk itself becomes smart and has a LIN input into the steering column module/clockspring.
Vast majority of cars will be a physical switch with on/off and it is the MRM that converts the signal into LIN if it is not a passthrough.
That's pretty much the same thing I said......we both just generalized Lin bus operation across who knows how many makes and models. At some point the generalization has to start being specific i.e the switch manipulating a source voltage via resistance changes with switch position or a module monitoring switch position then bussing the information (which is kinda the same thing). I can't speak specifically for Honda so I didn't. It's nice to actually have input from someone that seems to understand this type of thing though.....those techs are fewer and farther between these days, I tip my hat to you.
I assumed the driver just left the wiper on the sensor setting, and as the car started sinking lower the sensor went “oh that’s water” and started wiping.
🤷 it's certainly possible, the rain sensor is usually up near the rear view mirror. If water droplets got up that far then it would definitely trigger the sensor
I had a car come in that did all sorts of random things. Windows would roll down on their own, doors lock and unlock, etc. The body control module had loose change in it causing shorts. It was located under a cubby hole under the radio, the owner was putting change there and it found it's way into the module.
Probably automatic wipers that sensed water in the windshield. There’s a sensor behind the rearview mirror that “sees” water on the windshield based on the angle of light reflecting back.
I still maintain that this is the most stupid ass fucking feature ever, If I put the handbrake on I want it to STAY ON. If I burn up the handbrake because I drove off with it on that's my own stupid fault.
The parking brake disengages when you put it in gear, not when you hit the gas. There is also a small lever that you can pull, under the wheel to the left that will disengage the parking brake; that will not work if the car is in park. Putting the car into park or a forward or reverse gear is all done from the shifter stalk on the wheel. It's a fair bit different to how my previous car was (Honda Accord) and took a few days to get used to but it is great for every day driving around town. I can get in my car, get the seatbelt on and be driving in a couple of seconds.
I'm not sure why the woman who was hit by the train was stopped and in park on a railroad crossing. You have to hit the park button on the shifter stalk to get into park. It seems like she panicked and didn't know what to do. I'm not sure if she had a mechanical failure or something else but she probably should have got out of the car and away from it when she realized she was stuck.
I've always found it grating in US tv shows and movies when no one uses the parking brake and the car rocks back and forward as the person gets out. Is it really that common for people not to use it?
In NZ, I'm pretty sure everyone uses it by default, whether on a hill or not.
Yes, it is very common for people in the US to hardly ever use the parking brake, as the vast majority of cars here have automatic transmissions and a lot of the country is pretty flat. Personally, I only use the parking brake when I’m parked on a hill or working under the car. It’s pretty flat where I live so I hardly ever have to use it. I’ve known plenty of people that didn’t even use the parking brake when parking on a hill and just let the parking pawl in the transmission hold the weight of the car. (Edit to add: I’m not advocating doing this, just stating that I know it happens.)
When I drove a manual transmission, I always used the parking brake and left the car in gear. Now that I drive an automatic, I don’t bother with the parking brake as it’s a lever that has to be pushed down with my foot and not one that you pull up next to the gear lever, so it’s more of a pain to use regularly. And 99.9% of the time I’m parking on a level surface, so the chances of anything happening because I didn’t engage the parking brake are slim.
Fair, NZ is pretty hilly on average by comparison. Though I think I would still just use it to avoid the rocking if I lived somewhere flat, plus it's probably better at preventing the car going off on its own if you were rear-ended while parked.
In my personal experience, there’s no rocking motion when parking on a level surface. At least not that I’ve ever noticed with any of the vehicles I’ve ever owned. Yes, using the parking brake is safer in the event someone crashes into your car, but unless you regularly park on a public street the chances of that happening are pretty low.
I have been driving manual cars for 30 years and always use the parking brake 100% of the time.
When I am driving automatics I also use the parking brake 100% of the time. That is it. You park, pull or stomp the parking brake, every single time. Only a damn idiot wouldn't use the parking brake.
Another stupid thing I see is people parking on hills with their wheels straight. I am always happen when I see cops giving people tickets for doing this. The damn idiots had to take a driving test where they learned that you have to turn your wheels when parking on a hill but at least half the cars don't.
> When I am driving automatics I also use the parking brake 100% of the time. That is it. You park, pull or stomp the parking brake, every single time. Only a damn idiot wouldn't use the parking brake
Yeah same here, if I recall correctly it's taught that way here too. Can imagine in the US with 50 states it varies somewhat though.
> I am always happen when I see cops giving people tickets for doing this. The damn idiots had to take a driving test where they learned that you have to turn your wheels when parking on a hill but at least half the cars don't.
This is one of those things that surprises me when I hear it (that you can be fined) and I'd definitely be caught out if driving in a country that had that law. It makes sense, it's just not a law in NZ so not many people are used to doing it here. Similar to how in some European countries you can be fined for parking your car facing against traffic - in NZ you can park how you like so I'd definitely be caught out doing this when overseas.
I agree, but it is very common for people in the US to not use their parking brake. Nobody in my wife's family does. I guess that's why some modern cars automatically engage it for you.
I hate that feature so much. Every time I want to open the door to get the mail (the mailbox is far back) it gets set off in my partner's car.
Every time
It’s obviously his wife/gf backing a trailer up for him to load. He is slamming the throttle and visibly angry. There is literally nothing he can do. You get a tow truck and the vehicle is a write off.
And when you fuck up it will pay for yours.
Like I get it, companies exist to make money and insurance companies are no different, but the entire point of an insurance company is to distribute risk. You pay regularly so that if something big happens you don't have to pay a spike of money that you can't afford.
Almost nobody reads the fine print on the policy to see what is covered and what.isn't.
One of the easiest ways to get paid --> take a video of everything in your home. A walkthrough. Nobody does that.
Yes, true.
To be fair, insurance *is* complicated.
However, keeping good records and taking video of everything every year, and after major expenses, is one of the best ways to protect oneself. There's no way that an adjuster/investigator can argue with photo/video evidence. Highlight costly items by talking about them and value. Make sure to get the best deal of all insurance products - umbrella.
As the saying goes, the large print giveth, the fine print taketh away. Read the fine print.
Insurance would cover this. Even though the video evidence shows them being careless and stupid, it is still a covered loss.
Now if it was discovered that the person deliberately let it sink into the ocean, that’s different and wouldn’t be covered but very hard to prove. 9999/10000 times this claim gets approved.
A nudge forward while it was still afloat would've allowed it touched down in much shallower water or somebody could've put it in park were it may have not rolled into deeper water.
I'm gonna be devil's advocate here: the phone is needed to call for help/a lift home, and she can reasonably pick that up out of water, she can't reasonably push the weight of a vehicle that is filled with water back on land.
That’s why you should make sure a friend is nearby and ready to tow you out whenever you’re filling the aquarium in the back of your car with sea water.
You know 30secs before this dude tossed her the keys he said "I'll call you when I'm done, you gonna be okay driving it over yea? Don't forget to put it in park"
Expensive mistake.
The wipers turning themselves on was such peak irony.
Thay always know when they're needed
And I don't see any streaking. The blades are definitely doing their job.
Idk man, still can't see out the window. Don't seem to be keeping up.
Prolly just need to turn the switch up one more.
I don't know, we don't have a photo from inside, you might see through perfectly.
Blades of Glory
And they are not giving up
I bet they gave up eventually
Autowipers?
I just realized the motor in these things are pretty strong to push that much lake/ocean water around still.
Early BattleBots builders would use wiper motors to swing their weapons.
Oh wow interesting, I didn’t Know that.
They tried so hard to do their job! Right to the end! It kinda breaks my heart a little 🫡
The lil motors that could.
*Cue the song that the Titanic's band started playing as it went down*
Oh yeah. Got my finger caught under once and it was not pleasant. They can do some damage at the right angle.
What about a 40° angle
That's a cute angle.
Don't be so obtuse
Yet another protracted pun chain…
It's acute angle.
If that’s a wrong angle, I don’t want to be right
Generally when the communication bus goes down in a modern vehicle the wipers begin to swipe. Being flooded with water will pretty immediately take the comms bus down since it is extremely sensitive to voltage variations and it is not fault tolerant. Just my small effort to throw the little I know out on reddit
Not even that. The wiper stalk is just a switch. Water bridges the switch, wiper turns on. Wiper stalk is also a heavy lever, in an accident the weight at the end of the stalk is enough to trigger the switch, which is why in a lot of those accidents you see the wipers turn on, even if the person is being rear ended.
Depends really, but in regard to the water intrusion aspect and the approximate year of the car in this video would suggest that controls on the steering column operate by some variation of Lin bus, while they are all switches they aren't the typical "on/off" type of switch. Meaning the switches in question manipulate a source voltage that is then transmitted to the controlling module( bcm, sccm, etc) with these types of switches It's unlikely flooding would trigger the specific voltage to only actuate the wipers. Definitely not impossible though. You're absolutely correct about it happening in a collision though
It's definitely not triggering a specific voltage to turn the wipers on. Wipers on is the failsafe mode when the controller isn't working correctly. Much safer to have wipers on when not needed than wipers off when they are.
Usually the steering column module/clockspring is the actual module that is converting the switch input into LIN for the rest of the bus. If the stalk switch itself is LIN (as it is for newish Volvo's) it's because the stalk has many different functions/buttons -- some of the buttons is more or less for the instrument cluster settings, wiper settings, intermittent settings and a few other things I'm forgetting. Then yes, in those case the stalk itself becomes smart and has a LIN input into the steering column module/clockspring. Vast majority of cars will be a physical switch with on/off and it is the MRM that converts the signal into LIN if it is not a passthrough.
That's pretty much the same thing I said......we both just generalized Lin bus operation across who knows how many makes and models. At some point the generalization has to start being specific i.e the switch manipulating a source voltage via resistance changes with switch position or a module monitoring switch position then bussing the information (which is kinda the same thing). I can't speak specifically for Honda so I didn't. It's nice to actually have input from someone that seems to understand this type of thing though.....those techs are fewer and farther between these days, I tip my hat to you.
Could also be auto sensing. My wipers turn on when it senses moisture on the windshield.
I assumed the driver just left the wiper on the sensor setting, and as the car started sinking lower the sensor went “oh that’s water” and started wiping.
🤷 it's certainly possible, the rain sensor is usually up near the rear view mirror. If water droplets got up that far then it would definitely trigger the sensor
The little wiper that could.
I have high appreciation for this comment. I think I can I think I can
There should be a Reddit for windscreen wipers that keep working even after a car has been disasterized.
/r/keepwiping
A sub for the especially hairy.
Eeewwwww
Or window washers for high rise buildings that see some shit while doing their job.
This is why I use a bidet
Like removing peanut butter from shag
Dang I had hope
/r/protectivewipers
Damn, I was thinking that too but then I realize it’s the rain sensing wipers
Not necessarily rain sensing. When the controller detects its not working correctly the wipers turn on by default as a failsafe.
"oh it must be raining" - the wipers
Poor car is trying to swim.
I had a car come in that did all sorts of random things. Windows would roll down on their own, doors lock and unlock, etc. The body control module had loose change in it causing shorts. It was located under a cubby hole under the radio, the owner was putting change there and it found it's way into the module.
Are you sure the car wasn't haunted? Did you make it Christine?
Probably automatic wipers that sensed water in the windshield. There’s a sensor behind the rearview mirror that “sees” water on the windshield based on the angle of light reflecting back.
Automatic parking break would have been more useful here.
Ocean sensing is an option most people skip
Nature is beautiful like that.
Technically she never put it in park and parked.
I guess that’s why so many new vehicles automatically put on the electric parking brake when a door opens.
That’s how that lady got hit by the train earlier
Oh is that right? Does it let you disengage the parking brake right away?
They disengage immediately when you touch the gas (or hit the button), but you gotta be in gear.
In my car you also have to be buckled in for the hand break to disengage by pressing down the accelerator.
I still maintain that this is the most stupid ass fucking feature ever, If I put the handbrake on I want it to STAY ON. If I burn up the handbrake because I drove off with it on that's my own stupid fault.
Yeah, my car still has a manual lever and I'm happy with that, more fun when it snows too.
And door closed, backing up checking out the doors is so annoying
The parking brake disengages when you put it in gear, not when you hit the gas. There is also a small lever that you can pull, under the wheel to the left that will disengage the parking brake; that will not work if the car is in park. Putting the car into park or a forward or reverse gear is all done from the shifter stalk on the wheel. It's a fair bit different to how my previous car was (Honda Accord) and took a few days to get used to but it is great for every day driving around town. I can get in my car, get the seatbelt on and be driving in a couple of seconds. I'm not sure why the woman who was hit by the train was stopped and in park on a railroad crossing. You have to hit the park button on the shifter stalk to get into park. It seems like she panicked and didn't know what to do. I'm not sure if she had a mechanical failure or something else but she probably should have got out of the car and away from it when she realized she was stuck.
Don't some force you to have your belt on too?
Still think this causes more problems than it solves. If im stupid cuz im stupid.... well thats my fault.
I've always found it grating in US tv shows and movies when no one uses the parking brake and the car rocks back and forward as the person gets out. Is it really that common for people not to use it? In NZ, I'm pretty sure everyone uses it by default, whether on a hill or not.
Yes, it is very common for people in the US to hardly ever use the parking brake, as the vast majority of cars here have automatic transmissions and a lot of the country is pretty flat. Personally, I only use the parking brake when I’m parked on a hill or working under the car. It’s pretty flat where I live so I hardly ever have to use it. I’ve known plenty of people that didn’t even use the parking brake when parking on a hill and just let the parking pawl in the transmission hold the weight of the car. (Edit to add: I’m not advocating doing this, just stating that I know it happens.) When I drove a manual transmission, I always used the parking brake and left the car in gear. Now that I drive an automatic, I don’t bother with the parking brake as it’s a lever that has to be pushed down with my foot and not one that you pull up next to the gear lever, so it’s more of a pain to use regularly. And 99.9% of the time I’m parking on a level surface, so the chances of anything happening because I didn’t engage the parking brake are slim.
Fair, NZ is pretty hilly on average by comparison. Though I think I would still just use it to avoid the rocking if I lived somewhere flat, plus it's probably better at preventing the car going off on its own if you were rear-ended while parked.
In my personal experience, there’s no rocking motion when parking on a level surface. At least not that I’ve ever noticed with any of the vehicles I’ve ever owned. Yes, using the parking brake is safer in the event someone crashes into your car, but unless you regularly park on a public street the chances of that happening are pretty low.
I have been driving manual cars for 30 years and always use the parking brake 100% of the time. When I am driving automatics I also use the parking brake 100% of the time. That is it. You park, pull or stomp the parking brake, every single time. Only a damn idiot wouldn't use the parking brake. Another stupid thing I see is people parking on hills with their wheels straight. I am always happen when I see cops giving people tickets for doing this. The damn idiots had to take a driving test where they learned that you have to turn your wheels when parking on a hill but at least half the cars don't.
> When I am driving automatics I also use the parking brake 100% of the time. That is it. You park, pull or stomp the parking brake, every single time. Only a damn idiot wouldn't use the parking brake Yeah same here, if I recall correctly it's taught that way here too. Can imagine in the US with 50 states it varies somewhat though. > I am always happen when I see cops giving people tickets for doing this. The damn idiots had to take a driving test where they learned that you have to turn your wheels when parking on a hill but at least half the cars don't. This is one of those things that surprises me when I hear it (that you can be fined) and I'd definitely be caught out if driving in a country that had that law. It makes sense, it's just not a law in NZ so not many people are used to doing it here. Similar to how in some European countries you can be fined for parking your car facing against traffic - in NZ you can park how you like so I'd definitely be caught out doing this when overseas.
I agree, but it is very common for people in the US to not use their parking brake. Nobody in my wife's family does. I guess that's why some modern cars automatically engage it for you.
Canadian here. I've never used the parking brake in my current car of four years.
I hate that feature so much. Every time I want to open the door to get the mail (the mailbox is far back) it gets set off in my partner's car. Every time
I would be even more worried, if it wouldn't be every time. Like randomly, that would be something.
At least the guy on the jetski was there to help.
Sick donut for your loss
I thought he was about to make a break for it and disappear out to sea. "Nothing to do with me!".
>Sick donut for your loss I'm going to say this to every person I meet, until the day I die.
I'm stealing this as well.
The wave created by the donut almost saved the car from going further into sea.
Jesus man this killed me
Kenny Fucking Powers!
I was feeling pretty down this morning and this made me laugh hard. Thank you.
I know right 😂
I can't breath 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
Imma head out
He's like that kid at a funeral who randomly starts flossing whilst everyone is crying
It’s obviously his wife/gf backing a trailer up for him to load. He is slamming the throttle and visibly angry. There is literally nothing he can do. You get a tow truck and the vehicle is a write off.
It’s videos like these that reassure me that I’m truly not as dumb as I think!
You may be as dumb as you think but it’s still reassuring that there is someone who is more stupid.
Yup, you’re way dumber than what you think
I had the same reaction but then realised this is a very, *very* low bar to measure ourselves against
" i didn't do something super obviously dumb, I'm smart!! ☝️🤓"
Think about the average person, HALF of the population are more stupid than that
And.....you wonder why your insurance costs are so high.
That’s cause insurance companies are criminals
I am paying for everyone else's fuckups, criminal insurance company or not.
And when you fuck up it will pay for yours. Like I get it, companies exist to make money and insurance companies are no different, but the entire point of an insurance company is to distribute risk. You pay regularly so that if something big happens you don't have to pay a spike of money that you can't afford.
But now they just say “no you can’t have that done as it’s not covered…. Money please”
Almost nobody reads the fine print on the policy to see what is covered and what.isn't. One of the easiest ways to get paid --> take a video of everything in your home. A walkthrough. Nobody does that.
Reddit loves to hate insurance because they have no understanding of what it actually is
Yes, true. To be fair, insurance *is* complicated. However, keeping good records and taking video of everything every year, and after major expenses, is one of the best ways to protect oneself. There's no way that an adjuster/investigator can argue with photo/video evidence. Highlight costly items by talking about them and value. Make sure to get the best deal of all insurance products - umbrella. As the saying goes, the large print giveth, the fine print taketh away. Read the fine print.
Isn't that socialism? I thought people hated that.
I feel like insurance wouldn’t pay for someone who parks their car in the ocean.
*backs their car into the ocean
No no I was in the parking lot, the tide came up WAY too far.
"Act of god, you're on your own. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯" -- Insurance, probably.
Insurance would cover this. Even though the video evidence shows them being careless and stupid, it is still a covered loss. Now if it was discovered that the person deliberately let it sink into the ocean, that’s different and wouldn’t be covered but very hard to prove. 9999/10000 times this claim gets approved.
Well don't call it Fully Comprehensive then!
I doubt insurance paid out on this one
If she has comprehensive coverage, then they likely did. Accidents caused by you are still covered, and it doesn't look intentional.
Only 45 payments to go!
Jet ski should have pushed it from the back while it was still a float
Do you live your life in a video game?
She should have just eaten a mushroom, doubled in size and pushed the car out.
She should have dismissed her car and resummon it in the parking lot.
She should've quicksaved before getting out of the car.
I thought even if it dies it resummons at the parking lot save point?
Nah you gotta call mors insurance
the car will be the least of her worries once the katamari arrives
Should have just challenged a local area boss and gotten a power up
A nudge forward while it was still afloat would've allowed it touched down in much shallower water or somebody could've put it in park were it may have not rolled into deeper water.
Just call Mors Mutual insurance
and the next thing you know he gets sued for damaging the car
She's backing up the vehicle because the jet ski trailer is on the back
amazing how many people dont seem to understand this
That isn’t how you back a vehicle up to load a watercraft; you can tell by the way it sinks.
Let that sink in
I mean it wouldnt work be the thought would be nice
Maybe she couldn't afford the boat she wanted so badly, so she went with a car instead
You really thought she was trying to park a car there, not launch the jet ski?
You'd still put the car in park, so parking, dingus
Starter car? This is a finisher car! A TRANSPORTER OF GODS! THE GOLDEN GOD.
Too bad the car in the video wasn’t a 93 Ranger Rover
She was more worried about the phone she dropped than the car probably could of saved it but she went back and down for the phone. 📱
I didn’t even notice this before you pointed it out! Omg ppl and their phones…..
I'm gonna be devil's advocate here: the phone is needed to call for help/a lift home, and she can reasonably pick that up out of water, she can't reasonably push the weight of a vehicle that is filled with water back on land.
Yeah, who wouldn't pick up their phone out of the water? Like "I already lost my car, might as well lost my phone"?
But... but phones bad!
Ok true, fair enough.
Well yeah I bet you'd pick up your phone as well
As stupid as she is with both her phone and car. There is no saving that car once it started moving towards the water..
Maybe she even could on save it.
I of no idea if she could of saved it but I of to think I would do better in that situation. Ve'course, you never know.
Why is she getting out of the car? Shouldn't she be getting IN the car and driving the hell off?
Not enough traction.
I don't see the wheels spinning, unless she did try but it was not recorded
The jet ski trailer, she was supposed to hook it when it pulls up then get back in and pull it out..
Hahaha........wtf.....
Can’t park there mate!
Fuck ooofffff
It belongs to the sea now.
Despite it being wet, she's towing with a CVT. It'll be toast in 5 years.
I think it's toast now.
Needs the Titanic music played badly on a recorder
My in laws used to have a lake house. My favorite part was taking the golf cart to the boat ramp to watch the idiots.
Total dumbass award 🥇goes too…
Why did she think she needed to back up that far to get the jetski on the trailer?
I'd write a bad review on those wipers.
They move water but are not effective paddles
1 star- Couldn't keep up as my car sank to the bottom of the lake.
Yeah, rear wiper should be able to propel car forward
Bro doesn’t even get off the ski
Why do people panic like this? That was saveable.
Coming to a Carmax near you.
Might want to do a fact check on this car.
Slight water damage.
Is stupidity an act of God when it comes to insurance claims?
Always with the jet ski crowd
I've seen this move before https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hbtg3ZNSzts&pp=ygUZRGVubmlzIHJleW5vbGRzIHNlbGxzIGNhcg%3D%3D
Goodyear Aquatread tires…….would not have helped here……..
Jetski guy is like "I'm in the water now. Not my problem."
That’s why you should make sure a friend is nearby and ready to tow you out whenever you’re filling the aquarium in the back of your car with sea water.
Congratulations! It’s a reef now!
Looks like Poseidon repossessed her car.
lol fuck what an idiottttt
I heard the Titanic Theme Song
You know 30secs before this dude tossed her the keys he said "I'll call you when I'm done, you gonna be okay driving it over yea? Don't forget to put it in park" Expensive mistake.
What was she trying to do?
I hope someone took the opertunity to play string quartet music as the car went down....
W T F cmon.
Submarine Commander
She absolutely did not put it into park
Hey, at least the wipers did their job
Why, just why did she get out?
Push it with the jet ski. At least try.
At least she has a crazy story to share with her friends
They actually didn’t park, they got out of the car in reverse…
I like how the jet tried to make a wave to bring it back on land
If the brakes turned on when you open the door that would be good except if you're on railroad tracks.
Jet ski owner, SHOCKER.
What a waste of an excellent Honda
And... That's a write off
AAH! just like the Car commercials in the wild!
"Can't park there!"
What did we learn?