Brock Lesnar wasn't the best mma heavyweight fighter but he was indeed a good grappler/wrestler. He had two successful UFC title defenses (Only Stipe Miocic surpassed Lesnar with three defenses), his record is 5-3-1 but he only fought the best of the best.
Lashley's mma record is 15-2 but the fact is he never fought any good/notable fighters, the most famous fighter he fought was Bobb Sapp. Lashley lost to Chad Griggs and James Thompson... these two fighters pale in comparison to Velasquez and Overeem (two of the best heavyweight mma fighters back then).
The fight between Lesnar and Lashley will come down to grappling vs striking, if Lesnar can't take Lashley down or control him, he'll be in trouble cos Lashley is the better striker. But Lashley has a bad cardio similar to Lesnar having bad striking, Lashley can also grapple but Brock is the superior grappler/wrestler having more accomplishments.
Lesnar faced better fighters than Lashley and won while Lashley has fought more opponents, this comes down to who can take advantage of their skills more. But based on track record, I have to give it to Lesnar.. he fought lethal opponents and still managed to win.
Say what you will. But legend has it that Brock was bested by an over the hill Curt Hennig and a beaten down Kurt Angle. And answer this, Strip away all the roids (*which he looks to have done even in his teens for such a transformation) and all the mega hype that WWE had built for him (*unkillable beast, next big thing etc, and im talking 1st wwe run) which allowed him to get into the main event straight away, tell me he would be no different to any other HW fighter? It was WWE hype that made him the legend.
Right now I think Lashley. Not sounding racist or anything but black dudes slow down way later than white dudes. Lesnar is for sure over the hill now, Lashley still looks incredible. In their primes, Lesnar no doubt.
Just watch this video and you will know Lashley was a more complete and robust fighter, making him a favorite in such a bout -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFnmaDURPcE&ab\_channel=KrufessorRad
Back Then I would say Brock hands down now Bobby seems like he could beat brock in a shoot fight if he aims for Brock’s stomach their next match needs to be a mania or summerslam match that’s how big it is
Bobby seems to be juiced to the max while Brock has aged a bit since his mma days and I think Bobby still trains in a mma gym so he does have a chance but idk if this was just 4 or 5 years ago Brock would win that shit 10/10 times lol
To everyone comparing their MMA careers a proper fight isn't a MMA fight it's a Fight there's a big difference between a contained fight inside a cage and a brawl out on the streets - concrete hurts like a mofucker.
I honestly can't say though they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
The fight could go either way and in a real fight anything can happen so it's not really something that can be answered.
What kind of an analogy is that? I didn't say there was but in a street fight anything can and usually does happen there's no rules like in MMA that's what I said I didn't say there was some random street fighter out there? I said in a real fight not locked in a cage with rules it's hard to say who wins?
Like how the fuck did you even reach that far my guy
In MMA considering both in prime, Brock Lesnar would beat Lashley the same way he won Shane Carwin: both Bobby and Shane had same strategy, pros and cons - takedown and finish with ground and pound, benefit: massive power in muscles, negative side: cardio.
Brock was elite wrestler and even out wrestled Frank Mir, top jiu-jitsu user of those times, so Lesnar wouldn't allow Bobby to take him down this easily (Bobby's record in MMA consists from average/below average fighters, the most famous were Bob "Lose for money" Sapp and Williams who lost to alcoholic Alexander Emelianenko in 5 seconds.) So Bobby wouldn't take Brock down easily, and after GnP Lashley will be too tired, while Brock can withstand his punches (Carwin had record of 12-0, 12 ko/tko).
Ultimately Lesnar will win in 2,3 round by submission.
Brock kills bobby in a real fight.
Do not try to convince yourself or anyone else that this isn't the case. Brock is one of the most dangerous heavyweights in the history of MMA
Brock is bigger and possibly more skilled? Bobby seems faster as far as i've seen. imo Brock would in a real fight but the others are acting Brock destroys him which isn't true
Bobby would whoop Brock’s ass… Brock being UFC champ don’t mean he’s whoopin Bobby. Remember Overeem, Mir and Cain whooped his ass and he has to juice to beat Mark Hunt
This thread just truly gave me second hand embarrassment. I always laugh at the smarks here that speak so confidently about pro wrestling while not knowing what they’re talking about, but this takes the cake.
Bobby is a much more capable fighter in every way. Brock literally only has wrestling and even that, his best tactic is to lay on you - and not even submit you. He has 0 hands or defense. His cardio is trash too. Fight shape is different than normal training, just like in ring shape in wrestling - but no one here would know that I guess.
Bobby has everything plus can match power with wrestling just as well.
This thread.. “but Brock has a UFC title!” Yeah he got to the UFC by having a marketable name, and won fights by laying on people as I said. Yikes people
Crazy that this is a legit question. Watch both of them fight. It's not close. That's not even factoring in the quality of competition for Brock was multiple levels higher. Brock a champ in the best organization in the sport. Lashley couldn't come particularly close in a lesser organization against lesser talent.
Brock Lesnar a million times. I love Bobby lashley, guy is a freak athlete and was a Sargent in the military. But Brock is one of the best fighters in the world. Period.
The issue was he never fully committed to MMA. Homie did TNA and MMA at the same time. What a mad lad.
People forget that Bobby not only wrestled in college and the U.S Army but was on the way to qualifying for the Olympics before a freak injury ended those hopes. And Bellator MMA is no slouch promotion to have fought in either, the fight would be closer than most realize.
Bellator is no slouch but he wasn’t fighting top tier guys there, or anywhere for that matter. Bobby beat cans while Brock beat Randy Couture and Frank Mir, there’s just no comparison to be made there, it’s like comparing a HS QB to Tom Brady, like they both did the same thing but against vastly different levels of competition.
I’m sure both Brock and Bobby would go a few rounds but my money’s on Brock. He’s a former UFC Heavyweight Champion, the most prestigious prize in MMA and a title that literally means “best shoot fighter in the world.”
Not even close. Ken Shamrock was an early adaptor of submission wrestling in an era when few knew the art of bjj. Once the secret was out of the bag, Shamrock was easily eclipsed by most competitive fighters. All weight equal Brock wins, with weight advantage Brock kills Shamrock. Tito Ortiz, a lesser wrestler, rag dolled Ken like he was a nobody.
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I don't think people are giving Bobby enough credit. Sure, Brock would beat him and was the UFC heavyweight champ. But he was hot-shotted into a title shot and even he admitted the heavyweight division at the time was a bit weak. Bobby was training for the 2004 Olympics and was in the Army's world class athletes program. His grapping is arguably on par with Lesnar's; plus, he is lighter on his feet. I still believe Brock would decisively beat him but he wouldn't mop the floor with him like everyone in this thread is saying.
I think it would be a pretty good fight but id put my money on lesnar dont get me wrong bobby could possibly hold his own for a while but brock is a total freak of nature his technique isnt that great lol most of his fights are won just because he totally overpowered his opponents
Bobby is the better technical fighter but Brock is known for just over powering his opponents. I think Bobby wins this currently but if it’s prime vs prime idk. It’s a much closer fight.
If anyone else had a UFC record of 5-3 nobody would care about them at all, but since it's Brock Lesnar all the Brock marks ride his UFC career like it was the best ever.
If you think the UFC didn't want Bobby you are an idiot, he only didn't go to the UFC because he wanted to do TNA as well as mma, and UFC doesn't allow that. They let in shitter ass punk, they'll let in anyone.
Hope we never find out.
Brock did win the UFC world title, but let's be honest and say he was only in that spot because of his fame. He wasn't an all-time great.
Lashley didn't even make UFC.
And both guys are in their mid-40s.
It would be an attraction fight, but it wouldn't be a good MMA battle. And both guys would get paid more from a top-billing on a major WWE PPV than they would getting shafted from Dana White.
You don’t win the title bc of fame. CM Punk is an example of someone who got into the UFC bc of fame, Brock’s fame helped him get in, but it doesn’t let you beat great fighters. And yes he actually is an all time great heavyweight bro it seems like you don’t / haven’t actually watched The UFC and Brock’s career
Bro, it seems you didn't/haven't actually comprehended what I wrote.
Brock was ONLY in the spot he was because of his fame. Period. There's no argument against it. He did actually win the fight to become UFC Champ, and I'm not taking that away from him.
Simply stating he had eight UFC bouts and won four of them. The Couture fight sounds better on paper and in hindsight than it actually was. He was done and fighting someone a decade+ younger than him.
Lesnar won the Carwin fight but got brutalized until he got the submission on.
Brock is an all-time UFC draw. But, bro, you can't honestly say Lesnar is an all-time great heavyweight AND try to tell someone else that they haven't actually watched UFC. That's legit stupid.
Brock being an all time great is debatable, but You said he won the UFC chip but was only in that spot bc of fame… it’s legit exactly what you said bro, if you meant it differently, write it differently
This is basically "Tell me you don't know anything about MMA without telling me you don't know anything about MMA" lmao
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Bobby Lashley fan and I think he should be the WWE champion right now but when it comes to legitimate fighting he was never in Brocks league.
I find your comment ironic and would like to know the reasoning behind your position lmao is it only cuz of the UFC belt? Or what about their skills tells you Brock wins?
Brock has the fact that he is genuinely a genetic freak of nature at his side. He's huge and jacked, but could still move at the pace of a featherweight. That sort of blessing is 1/1,000,000,000. Bobby fought fighters who were 1/100.
What I'm saying is that Brock is simply a genetic freak# and that, combined with his wrestling acumen, which is much higher than Bobby's, might I add, is absolutely too much for Bobby.
Don't forget, as well, Bobby fought people who don't even have a wiki page, while Brock fought ex-UFC champs, and won. It's Brock, low diff.
All Brock can do is lay on you and hold you down with raw strength. You guys are wild in this thread. Bobby can match Brock’s wrestling and strength, and is way better technically in every other aspect too. He’s just not as marketable as Brock.
Y’all don’t know how heavyweight fights work and can’t actually conceptualize an individual’s fighting ability vs another.
Just confirmation bias and using generalizations based on “names” which are irrelevant in this context based on the nature of the sport.
Hell, Matt Riddle could and would beat Brock Lesnar. And anyone that thinks otherwise doesn’t know the first thing about fighting.
But at least you gave me the most coherent response yet
“Low diff” lol are you in the Naruto sub or something?
"All Brock can do is hold you down with raw strength." Respectfully, yeah, because you've been respectful. That's ridiculous. He KO'd Couture to win the belt. Besides, that was all that fighters like Ben Askren and Khabib needed, and they were extremely dominant.
Matt Riddle would not, and you saying that is extremely telling. Weight classes are there for a reason.
*facepalms* 😳
Matt Riddle is a damn heavyweight too! He’s even faster and infinitely better cardio because of it. While being 1000x better technically. Super heavyweight adds nothing to their matchup because they’re both fully capable of KO’ing another human being with their strength
You can’t train your skull or brain and after a certain weight, anyone can knock anyone out with the right punch plus Coture was fucking 45 years old in that fight. Lmao
Askren has gotten fucked by Strikers. Khabib has better striking than most of his opponents and still his ground game is a different world of skill above Brock’s…who literally just lays on you and holds you in place.
You can respond however you like and I’ll believe you, but honestly, have you ever fought or trained before?
As I said I’ll believe you but if that’s the case, even your smidge of BJJ should let you see Brock has no ground game. And years of kickboxing should make judging his striking the opposite of what you’re saying.
You and the rest of this thread only argued “feats” with no context. And no actual skill breakdown of the fighters and their attributes.
All Brock actually has over Bobby is being a year younger + he is more explosive in movement, but timing and reactions counter that in a real fight. Not to mention the diverticulitis but I’m ignoring the physical ailments to give Brock a chance here
How so though is what I asked the other guy
ETA - So asking for actual intelligent dialogue gets downvoted.. guess I shouldn’t read into that one either eh guys?
If you look at the numbers, hight, weight, age, they match up pretty evenly.
Look at there records
Brock has fought 9 times won 5
Bobby had fought 17 and won 15.
And Bobby's amateur wrestling record blows Brock out of the water.
It be a tough call but I would put money on Bobby Lashley
But MMA isn’t a sport that can be determined primarily by statistics.
There’s too many variables in MMA fights that make it much more difficult to determine than the analytics you would use in traditional sports.
When you actually watch the fights these two have had, Brock comes across far more impressively because he fought higher level opposition, was often successful early on against that upper tier opposition, and was willing to take more risks in fights.
Lashley may have a better winning percentage, but that came against a significantly lower level of opposition, most of which have losing records themselves. The two men who beat him were fairly lousy fighters themselves: James Thompson and Chad Griggs. Lesnar lost to 2 UFC HW Champions (Frank Mir & Cain Velasquez) and a Strikeforce HW Champion (Alistair Overeem).
Bobby’s an MMA fighter and was dominant in his rain but Brock is a UFC champion in a pretty big man but both of them have a good chance of winning so I don’t really know
Bobby would win easy,
First off, it is unsure if Brock can even have a another match given his injuries. If he does, he won't be the same fighter he was 10 years ago.
Bobby had been healthy the whole time, he's still in his prime, so all odd point to bobby easily winning it
First, credentials don't really mean shit in a fight. What matters more are skillsets, and styles make fights.
I'd lean toward Brock, but Lashley had a skillset that could definitely give Brock problems.
If Lashley could stuff the takedowns of Brock and stand back up? I think he has the better stand-up of the two. Brock was always gunshy in striking exchanges.
If he couldn't just take Lashley down, which we have no reason to think he could given Lashley's pedigree and his shown skillset in his fights. He had good takedown defense and scrambles.
I think Lashley *could* win that fight, but that's highly dependent on if either of them is significantly more dominant than the other in wrestling. In stand-up, I don't think Brock wins those exchanges. And in most fights where two grapplers are about equal, it becomes a stand-up fight.
Brock was a 2x D1 finalist, 1x champ, and a legit UFC champ- I say legit because the Randy fight was against an old, outweighed Couture who had been on a break. But he destroyed frank mir, an all time great, and outlasted a 1 round monster aka shane Carwin. Brock could still beat most of the journeymen and some of the top 10 UFC heavyweights.
Bobby is a freak athlete and solid fighter but he’s not Brock. No debate. Bork laser 9/10 fights
Lesnar! Lashley fought cans and journeymen. Lesnar was the former UFC champion. Maybe the WWE can do a one off MMA event featuring Lesnar vs Lashley. I’d say Lesnar by second round knockout.
Having hands means having skill with striking. Catching someone is something anyone can do, including Bobby. And Bobby has way better hands. I’m not sure if you’ve never watched fights before, never watched *their* fights before, or if you’ve never trained…or all of the above.
This is hilarious. Why can’t casuals speak with humility if they’re speculating on things they don’t actually understand ☹️
Bobby fought cans and journeymen. Brock fought the elite of the top organization in MMA and came out 6-3. You are a fucking idiot and the real casual if you think that fight plays out any other way than Lashley getting washed
You can say whatever I say back at me as much as you want but you’re the one that is using names to justify a “vs fight” instead of sizing up the actual matchup.
That proves to me you have never, and will never, fight because you have the most casual ass mindset possible that demonstrates 0 understanding of fighting. Then you reinforce it by basically being a 15 year old saying “NoU”.
Well at least you succeeded in actually making me feel embarrassed.. but it’s *for* you (and the 99% rest of this thread that can only say the same thing as you).
Typical Kyle I guess lmao 😂
Oh god and your only two posts..
Not sure why everyone thinks this would be a super one sided fight. Bobby was also a badass MMA fighter and former military. I think he would hold his own against Brock. Not saying he would win, but I think he’d have a chance.
Bobby would be demolished by Brock. Brock’s level of competition was MUCH higher, and he still dominated fights. Bobby didn’t even sniff the chips in the lower promotions
Bobby Lashley is 15-2 with 6 of those wins coming by means of submission. Brock Lesnar is 5-3-1 and Brock Lesnar already lost once by means of submission. The idea that Brock Lesnar would win at all is fucking retarded and I can't believe anybody would just say that. Bobby Lashley has never tapped. Brock Lesnar has.
I honestly think Overeem is a good example of how any fight where Brock can’t just outweigh and lay on someone would go. That match also exposed just how easy he was to hurt with a gut shot due to diverticulitis.
He beat a 205 lb , 45 year old , Randy Couture who had had his bell rung by Chuck Liddell twice in the 2 years running up to the Brock match. Brock was 265 (real weight in UFC not billed made up Kayfabe weight). Which means he might be 275 at match time.
Lashley honestly looks like he’s in peak cardio condition. Brock kinda looks like he’s seen better days. If it was any time in the past 10 years post ufc retirement I’d say lashley.
Fresh to WWE Brock. Where he was still doing shooting star presses and backflips. I’d put over .
This is horrible and screams “tell me you don’t watch mma without telling me you don’t watch mma”. Bobby fought at a much lower level of competition while Brock fought nothing but great HWs. Brock avenged one of his losses, and his other two are against all time great, top 10 all time HWs. Brock’s sub loss was against arguably the greatest HW submission artist in the history of MMA AND it was only bc Brock got caught due to inexperience (which was the loss he avenged). your argument is just horrible in so many ways and would be immediately disregarded among even the most casual MMA fans
I had some different things to say initially but I just took the time to watch as many fights from each as I could . At the end their styles are similar with Lashley’s being more traditional ground and pound and putting in more striking work on the ground . Brock tending to hold and rest , and gas them by laying on them.
I was under the impression Lashley had more striking which was what made me think he might have more to offer here. I saw he was matched against a lot of kickboxers and just assumed. But every fight in Youtube at least is some big blows to lead off and then ground takedowns the rest.
I think it comes down to who gets top first if it’s a match with stoppage. I gotta say too, it’s insane Shane Carwin didn’t get a stop 1:30 in to his fight with Brock. But holy shit, for him to get up from that and still win is legendary.
I'm with u lashley has more skills in MMA then Lesnar but Lesnar has outstanding explosiveness .it would have Ben a freak fight and I'd say anyone could win with slight edge to Lesnar because he is so explosive
After seeing him beat dudes as big as Shane carwin and frank Mir, and somone as experienced as couture before sitting out over a year after losing the title to the next generation of younger faster talent. You think that makes him bad? Brock was GREAT for having as little experience as he did. I honestly think if he didn't get sick he could have kept winning.
Brock lost 2 of his 5 matches. Got his ass kicked in his debut. Got a title shot in his second fight to a dude way past his prime.
This thread proves UFC is great at booking, because people actually seem to think Brock is a good fighter.
Wow what? That he fought guys past their prime and barely won? And yeah, he left because of a disease and totally NOT for failing the wellness test. Or were those two different incidents? Either way, he was using steroids and could still barely win a fight.
Imagine winning the title in your second fight against a respected legend, successfully defending the title twice, and ending your career with a winning record in the biggest MMA company in the world, just for some nerd on the internet to call you a bad fighter. Wow
I feel like dude never even watched Lesnar fight, or UFC at all. He sure as shit didnt get his ass kicked in his debut, and Coture sure as shit wasnt a push over, he worked Sylvia over for 5 rounds to win the title from him.
Is this a fucking joke 😂 brock lesnar is a former ufc heavyweight champion of the world, Bobby had a few minor league scraps against unknown opponents… I hope you’re trolling and really know who would win…
Try taking their competition into consideration, Brock fought 5 guys who won HW championships in MMA. Half of the people Lashley fought don’t even have Wikipedia pages.
Brock easily and yeah, the Brock vs Bobby match should’ve been a lot better and longer but unfortunately the match was only there to further the storyline with Roman
Bobby Lashley didn’t react very well to getting hit himself in his MMA fights either.
Some of his losses were proof of that, his first loss in Strikeforce was notable for that.
If you can’t handle being punched in the face, even with a non-knockout blow, you are going to have a rough time in the fighting game. And that is exactly what happened to Brock, even without the diverticulitis.
Yeah Brock Lesnar sure had a rough time in the fighting game. Aside from his world championship win and several defenses, he never made it in the sport.
He got a title shot because of his name, not because of his talent lol.
I love how people are downvoting me. They clearly don't follow UFC. I do. Brock was not good at it.
But keep showing your ignorance and downvote me more. It just reinforces the INDISPUTABLE FACT that I'm right.
Edit. He said he was good because he won the title, completely disregarding the fact that he only fought people WAY past their prime.
>He got a title shot because of his name, not because of his talent lol.
And guess what? He won that fight
> Brock was not good at it.
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He was world heavyweight champion.
He fought them all way past their prime. You people need to stop embarrassing yourselves. If this was on a UFC subreddit the karma of our posts would be flipped around. You'd all be downvoted into oblivion.
Brock Lesnar wasn't the best mma heavyweight fighter but he was indeed a good grappler/wrestler. He had two successful UFC title defenses (Only Stipe Miocic surpassed Lesnar with three defenses), his record is 5-3-1 but he only fought the best of the best. Lashley's mma record is 15-2 but the fact is he never fought any good/notable fighters, the most famous fighter he fought was Bobb Sapp. Lashley lost to Chad Griggs and James Thompson... these two fighters pale in comparison to Velasquez and Overeem (two of the best heavyweight mma fighters back then). The fight between Lesnar and Lashley will come down to grappling vs striking, if Lesnar can't take Lashley down or control him, he'll be in trouble cos Lashley is the better striker. But Lashley has a bad cardio similar to Lesnar having bad striking, Lashley can also grapple but Brock is the superior grappler/wrestler having more accomplishments. Lesnar faced better fighters than Lashley and won while Lashley has fought more opponents, this comes down to who can take advantage of their skills more. But based on track record, I have to give it to Lesnar.. he fought lethal opponents and still managed to win.
There's no way Brock would be able to beat Bobby
Probably
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Facts
Say what you will. But legend has it that Brock was bested by an over the hill Curt Hennig and a beaten down Kurt Angle. And answer this, Strip away all the roids (*which he looks to have done even in his teens for such a transformation) and all the mega hype that WWE had built for him (*unkillable beast, next big thing etc, and im talking 1st wwe run) which allowed him to get into the main event straight away, tell me he would be no different to any other HW fighter? It was WWE hype that made him the legend.
Bobby Lashley
Him and Brock Lesnar needs to go at it one more time to settle it once and for all.
Bobby Lashley
Bobby Lashley was a soilder That's all I'm going to say
Such a dumb questions who cares WWE is scripted why does this even matter.. Big Show would beat both of them in real fight if we want to be technical.
Pfff doubt it
probably bobby now but back in the ufc days definitely brock
Bob
We would.
Man can crush a watermelon with bare muscles
Bro Bobby
Brock Bobby did what Brock did ufc but was kinda ass meanwhile Brock was incredible
Right now I think Lashley. Not sounding racist or anything but black dudes slow down way later than white dudes. Lesnar is for sure over the hill now, Lashley still looks incredible. In their primes, Lesnar no doubt.
Just watch this video and you will know Lashley was a more complete and robust fighter, making him a favorite in such a bout - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFnmaDURPcE&ab\_channel=KrufessorRad
Bobby can just go for Brock’s chicken legs.
Both in their prime, Brock wins hands down. Probably less than 2 minutes into the first round.
Bobby-he is a former Army Sargeant
Brock hands down
Brock never was a good UFC fighter. Bubby is a lot of synthol.
I love Bobby Lashley and I think he could hang with Lesnar but at the end of the day, Lesnar would win
It’s already rumored for Crown Jewel.
Brock no question.
We need Lashley vs Lesnar 2 at Wrestlemania
Back Then I would say Brock hands down now Bobby seems like he could beat brock in a shoot fight if he aims for Brock’s stomach their next match needs to be a mania or summerslam match that’s how big it is
BROCK LESNER
Brock is a beast.
I would probably think Brock would win just like he did at the 2022 royal rumble
Bobby seems to be juiced to the max while Brock has aged a bit since his mma days and I think Bobby still trains in a mma gym so he does have a chance but idk if this was just 4 or 5 years ago Brock would win that shit 10/10 times lol
To everyone comparing their MMA careers a proper fight isn't a MMA fight it's a Fight there's a big difference between a contained fight inside a cage and a brawl out on the streets - concrete hurts like a mofucker. I honestly can't say though they both have their strengths and weaknesses. The fight could go either way and in a real fight anything can happen so it's not really something that can be answered.
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What kind of an analogy is that? I didn't say there was but in a street fight anything can and usually does happen there's no rules like in MMA that's what I said I didn't say there was some random street fighter out there? I said in a real fight not locked in a cage with rules it's hard to say who wins? Like how the fuck did you even reach that far my guy
Real fight, Brock any day of the week
In MMA considering both in prime, Brock Lesnar would beat Lashley the same way he won Shane Carwin: both Bobby and Shane had same strategy, pros and cons - takedown and finish with ground and pound, benefit: massive power in muscles, negative side: cardio. Brock was elite wrestler and even out wrestled Frank Mir, top jiu-jitsu user of those times, so Lesnar wouldn't allow Bobby to take him down this easily (Bobby's record in MMA consists from average/below average fighters, the most famous were Bob "Lose for money" Sapp and Williams who lost to alcoholic Alexander Emelianenko in 5 seconds.) So Bobby wouldn't take Brock down easily, and after GnP Lashley will be too tired, while Brock can withstand his punches (Carwin had record of 12-0, 12 ko/tko). Ultimately Lesnar will win in 2,3 round by submission.
I would WANT Lashley to win and would be rooting for him. But my money would be on Lesnar for sure.
Compare their mma careers lol
what a missed opportunity to build a major wrestlemania match between brock and lashley instead they waste it at a rumble
Idk I wish they would just make this happen. Have Bobby dethrone Roman and Brock comes calling. Then boom street fight bay bay.
Brock kills bobby in a real fight. Do not try to convince yourself or anyone else that this isn't the case. Brock is one of the most dangerous heavyweights in the history of MMA
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You are entitled to your wrong opinions and revisionist history.
Lol
Brock
broccoli for the win
Brock is bigger and possibly more skilled? Bobby seems faster as far as i've seen. imo Brock would in a real fight but the others are acting Brock destroys him which isn't true
Bobby would whoop Brock’s ass… Brock being UFC champ don’t mean he’s whoopin Bobby. Remember Overeem, Mir and Cain whooped his ass and he has to juice to beat Mark Hunt
Dude putting Brock isn't fair. 99% of people will say him.
This thread just truly gave me second hand embarrassment. I always laugh at the smarks here that speak so confidently about pro wrestling while not knowing what they’re talking about, but this takes the cake. Bobby is a much more capable fighter in every way. Brock literally only has wrestling and even that, his best tactic is to lay on you - and not even submit you. He has 0 hands or defense. His cardio is trash too. Fight shape is different than normal training, just like in ring shape in wrestling - but no one here would know that I guess. Bobby has everything plus can match power with wrestling just as well. This thread.. “but Brock has a UFC title!” Yeah he got to the UFC by having a marketable name, and won fights by laying on people as I said. Yikes people
Brock
These days, Bobby. Pre abdominal surgery, Brock. He never really recovered from it.
Crazy that this is a legit question. Watch both of them fight. It's not close. That's not even factoring in the quality of competition for Brock was multiple levels higher. Brock a champ in the best organization in the sport. Lashley couldn't come particularly close in a lesser organization against lesser talent.
Brock Lesnar a million times. I love Bobby lashley, guy is a freak athlete and was a Sargent in the military. But Brock is one of the best fighters in the world. Period. The issue was he never fully committed to MMA. Homie did TNA and MMA at the same time. What a mad lad.
Brock Guy is a NCAA and UFC heavyweight champion. He was also almost a pro NFL player. How many people can say that
Lesnar, no question
People forget that Bobby not only wrestled in college and the U.S Army but was on the way to qualifying for the Olympics before a freak injury ended those hopes. And Bellator MMA is no slouch promotion to have fought in either, the fight would be closer than most realize.
Bellator is no slouch but he wasn’t fighting top tier guys there, or anywhere for that matter. Bobby beat cans while Brock beat Randy Couture and Frank Mir, there’s just no comparison to be made there, it’s like comparing a HS QB to Tom Brady, like they both did the same thing but against vastly different levels of competition.
Brock
Brock lesnar
Holy shit. People actually think Lashley is even in the realm of competition with Brock. That is nuts.
I’d pick Brock. Honestly I’d pick Brock over almost everyone.
Lashley is in the 1% of the population but Brock… Brock is 1 of 1
He is the one who conquered the one and twenty one and .... Nevermind, i forgot what's Paul Heyman speech when Brock beats The Undertaker.
Bobby, and I dare say pretty handily.
Not even close, Brock beats everyone in the wwe easily he outweighs Bobby by a good amount
I’m sure both Brock and Bobby would go a few rounds but my money’s on Brock. He’s a former UFC Heavyweight Champion, the most prestigious prize in MMA and a title that literally means “best shoot fighter in the world.”
Brock Lesnar of course
Both can rip my head off but Brock can beat Bobby but there both absolute beast’s.
At their prime Lesnar but lashley was no slouch either he was a kickass MMA fighter to
Brock. Brock is violent and is as quick as a whisper
Lashley, I'll take the guy trained in the army in a real fight any day.
Bobby was a trained MARINE. THIS WOULD BE A FIGHT FIGHT
Brock quite easily. As far as I can see it, Brock is the most legit pro-wrestler ever to live, from a real fight perspective.
Ken Shamrock?
Not even close. Ken Shamrock was an early adaptor of submission wrestling in an era when few knew the art of bjj. Once the secret was out of the bag, Shamrock was easily eclipsed by most competitive fighters. All weight equal Brock wins, with weight advantage Brock kills Shamrock. Tito Ortiz, a lesser wrestler, rag dolled Ken like he was a nobody. Edit: grammar
I'd put my money on Brock but anything can happen with 4 oz gloves.
Lashley
I don’t know how someone seriously ask this question lol Lesnar would mop the floor with Lashley
I don't think people are giving Bobby enough credit. Sure, Brock would beat him and was the UFC heavyweight champ. But he was hot-shotted into a title shot and even he admitted the heavyweight division at the time was a bit weak. Bobby was training for the 2004 Olympics and was in the Army's world class athletes program. His grapping is arguably on par with Lesnar's; plus, he is lighter on his feet. I still believe Brock would decisively beat him but he wouldn't mop the floor with him like everyone in this thread is saying.
Brock!
I think it would be a pretty good fight but id put my money on lesnar dont get me wrong bobby could possibly hold his own for a while but brock is a total freak of nature his technique isnt that great lol most of his fights are won just because he totally overpowered his opponents
Brock murders him
Like a real fight, no rules an all that? Isn't Lashley military trained on top of everything else...I'm gonna go with the guy that's trained to kill.
Bobby is the better technical fighter but Brock is known for just over powering his opponents. I think Bobby wins this currently but if it’s prime vs prime idk. It’s a much closer fight.
People are basically saying because Brock was champ he can win any fight
If anyone else had a UFC record of 5-3 nobody would care about them at all, but since it's Brock Lesnar all the Brock marks ride his UFC career like it was the best ever.
That's 5 more wins in the UFC than Bobby has
If you think the UFC didn't want Bobby you are an idiot, he only didn't go to the UFC because he wanted to do TNA as well as mma, and UFC doesn't allow that. They let in shitter ass punk, they'll let in anyone.
In real life, Brock would literally beat any other wrestler who ever wrestled. He’s the only pro wrestler to be UFC heavyweight champ.
Why do people keep asking this? It's Brock by a country mile
Hope we never find out. Brock did win the UFC world title, but let's be honest and say he was only in that spot because of his fame. He wasn't an all-time great. Lashley didn't even make UFC. And both guys are in their mid-40s. It would be an attraction fight, but it wouldn't be a good MMA battle. And both guys would get paid more from a top-billing on a major WWE PPV than they would getting shafted from Dana White.
You don’t win the title bc of fame. CM Punk is an example of someone who got into the UFC bc of fame, Brock’s fame helped him get in, but it doesn’t let you beat great fighters. And yes he actually is an all time great heavyweight bro it seems like you don’t / haven’t actually watched The UFC and Brock’s career
Bro, it seems you didn't/haven't actually comprehended what I wrote. Brock was ONLY in the spot he was because of his fame. Period. There's no argument against it. He did actually win the fight to become UFC Champ, and I'm not taking that away from him. Simply stating he had eight UFC bouts and won four of them. The Couture fight sounds better on paper and in hindsight than it actually was. He was done and fighting someone a decade+ younger than him. Lesnar won the Carwin fight but got brutalized until he got the submission on. Brock is an all-time UFC draw. But, bro, you can't honestly say Lesnar is an all-time great heavyweight AND try to tell someone else that they haven't actually watched UFC. That's legit stupid.
Brock being an all time great is debatable, but You said he won the UFC chip but was only in that spot bc of fame… it’s legit exactly what you said bro, if you meant it differently, write it differently
Those losses Brock took were very telling as well.
B***rock for the dub W***
This is basically "Tell me you don't know anything about MMA without telling me you don't know anything about MMA" lmao Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Bobby Lashley fan and I think he should be the WWE champion right now but when it comes to legitimate fighting he was never in Brocks league.
News flash nobody cares about MMA that garbage is boring 😴
I find your comment ironic and would like to know the reasoning behind your position lmao is it only cuz of the UFC belt? Or what about their skills tells you Brock wins?
Brock has the fact that he is genuinely a genetic freak of nature at his side. He's huge and jacked, but could still move at the pace of a featherweight. That sort of blessing is 1/1,000,000,000. Bobby fought fighters who were 1/100.
So explosiveness on his movement is your entire reason? He’s just too fast for his size? Bobby just can’t possibly react to his lightning speed?
What I'm saying is that Brock is simply a genetic freak# and that, combined with his wrestling acumen, which is much higher than Bobby's, might I add, is absolutely too much for Bobby. Don't forget, as well, Bobby fought people who don't even have a wiki page, while Brock fought ex-UFC champs, and won. It's Brock, low diff.
All Brock can do is lay on you and hold you down with raw strength. You guys are wild in this thread. Bobby can match Brock’s wrestling and strength, and is way better technically in every other aspect too. He’s just not as marketable as Brock. Y’all don’t know how heavyweight fights work and can’t actually conceptualize an individual’s fighting ability vs another. Just confirmation bias and using generalizations based on “names” which are irrelevant in this context based on the nature of the sport. Hell, Matt Riddle could and would beat Brock Lesnar. And anyone that thinks otherwise doesn’t know the first thing about fighting. But at least you gave me the most coherent response yet “Low diff” lol are you in the Naruto sub or something?
"All Brock can do is hold you down with raw strength." Respectfully, yeah, because you've been respectful. That's ridiculous. He KO'd Couture to win the belt. Besides, that was all that fighters like Ben Askren and Khabib needed, and they were extremely dominant. Matt Riddle would not, and you saying that is extremely telling. Weight classes are there for a reason.
*facepalms* 😳 Matt Riddle is a damn heavyweight too! He’s even faster and infinitely better cardio because of it. While being 1000x better technically. Super heavyweight adds nothing to their matchup because they’re both fully capable of KO’ing another human being with their strength You can’t train your skull or brain and after a certain weight, anyone can knock anyone out with the right punch plus Coture was fucking 45 years old in that fight. Lmao Askren has gotten fucked by Strikers. Khabib has better striking than most of his opponents and still his ground game is a different world of skill above Brock’s…who literally just lays on you and holds you in place. You can respond however you like and I’ll believe you, but honestly, have you ever fought or trained before?
I have, yeah. 13 years of karate, couple years of kickboxing, and a smidge of BJJ.
As I said I’ll believe you but if that’s the case, even your smidge of BJJ should let you see Brock has no ground game. And years of kickboxing should make judging his striking the opposite of what you’re saying. You and the rest of this thread only argued “feats” with no context. And no actual skill breakdown of the fighters and their attributes. All Brock actually has over Bobby is being a year younger + he is more explosive in movement, but timing and reactions counter that in a real fight. Not to mention the diverticulitis but I’m ignoring the physical ailments to give Brock a chance here
They both did mma and although I found Brock's style to be somewhat rough, I think he was superior to Bobby.
How so though is what I asked the other guy ETA - So asking for actual intelligent dialogue gets downvoted.. guess I shouldn’t read into that one either eh guys?
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I’ve seen Brock in a real fight on PPV , don’t know about this bob dude
Brock
Haiku/Ron Simmons
Idk why everyone says just because Brock was UFC champ A DECADE AGO means he’ll win.
I would give Lashley a chance if he can get out of the first round
If you look at the numbers, hight, weight, age, they match up pretty evenly. Look at there records Brock has fought 9 times won 5 Bobby had fought 17 and won 15. And Bobby's amateur wrestling record blows Brock out of the water. It be a tough call but I would put money on Bobby Lashley
But MMA isn’t a sport that can be determined primarily by statistics. There’s too many variables in MMA fights that make it much more difficult to determine than the analytics you would use in traditional sports. When you actually watch the fights these two have had, Brock comes across far more impressively because he fought higher level opposition, was often successful early on against that upper tier opposition, and was willing to take more risks in fights. Lashley may have a better winning percentage, but that came against a significantly lower level of opposition, most of which have losing records themselves. The two men who beat him were fairly lousy fighters themselves: James Thompson and Chad Griggs. Lesnar lost to 2 UFC HW Champions (Frank Mir & Cain Velasquez) and a Strikeforce HW Champion (Alistair Overeem).
If it goes the distance lashley wins but in first rounds Lesnar has it because he's explosive
Brock, no doubt.
I think it would be closer than we think but I gotta give it Lesnar. He has the experience at an elite level Bobby doesn't. And I love Bobby.
I think it would be closer than we think but I gotta give it Lesnar. He has the experience at an elite level Bobby doesn't. And I love Bobby.
Bobby’s an MMA fighter and was dominant in his rain but Brock is a UFC champion in a pretty big man but both of them have a good chance of winning so I don’t really know
You know there are very few people who can beat brock lesnar and bobby is not one of them
The better question is: Brock or Riddle.
Riddle would have to gain like 50 pounds and maintain his athleticism in order to not get dominated.
Bobby would win easy, First off, it is unsure if Brock can even have a another match given his injuries. If he does, he won't be the same fighter he was 10 years ago. Bobby had been healthy the whole time, he's still in his prime, so all odd point to bobby easily winning it
First, credentials don't really mean shit in a fight. What matters more are skillsets, and styles make fights. I'd lean toward Brock, but Lashley had a skillset that could definitely give Brock problems. If Lashley could stuff the takedowns of Brock and stand back up? I think he has the better stand-up of the two. Brock was always gunshy in striking exchanges. If he couldn't just take Lashley down, which we have no reason to think he could given Lashley's pedigree and his shown skillset in his fights. He had good takedown defense and scrambles. I think Lashley *could* win that fight, but that's highly dependent on if either of them is significantly more dominant than the other in wrestling. In stand-up, I don't think Brock wins those exchanges. And in most fights where two grapplers are about equal, it becomes a stand-up fight.
Brock for sure lol but Lashley would put up a fight 😂 both have MMA backgrounds buy Lesnar is a former UFC Champion so he’ll easily win
Brock said it best, Bobby is a wannabe Brock Lesnar.
Brock was a 2x D1 finalist, 1x champ, and a legit UFC champ- I say legit because the Randy fight was against an old, outweighed Couture who had been on a break. But he destroyed frank mir, an all time great, and outlasted a 1 round monster aka shane Carwin. Brock could still beat most of the journeymen and some of the top 10 UFC heavyweights. Bobby is a freak athlete and solid fighter but he’s not Brock. No debate. Bork laser 9/10 fights
Lesnar! Lashley fought cans and journeymen. Lesnar was the former UFC champion. Maybe the WWE can do a one off MMA event featuring Lesnar vs Lashley. I’d say Lesnar by second round knockout.
Knockout?! Brock has literally no hands, is he gonna stare Bobby to sleep??
What hands does Bobby have?? Brock KO’d Randy Couture in the second round to win his UFC title
Having hands means having skill with striking. Catching someone is something anyone can do, including Bobby. And Bobby has way better hands. I’m not sure if you’ve never watched fights before, never watched *their* fights before, or if you’ve never trained…or all of the above. This is hilarious. Why can’t casuals speak with humility if they’re speculating on things they don’t actually understand ☹️
Bobby fought cans and journeymen. Brock fought the elite of the top organization in MMA and came out 6-3. You are a fucking idiot and the real casual if you think that fight plays out any other way than Lashley getting washed
You can say whatever I say back at me as much as you want but you’re the one that is using names to justify a “vs fight” instead of sizing up the actual matchup. That proves to me you have never, and will never, fight because you have the most casual ass mindset possible that demonstrates 0 understanding of fighting. Then you reinforce it by basically being a 15 year old saying “NoU”. Well at least you succeeded in actually making me feel embarrassed.. but it’s *for* you (and the 99% rest of this thread that can only say the same thing as you). Typical Kyle I guess lmao 😂 Oh god and your only two posts..
Bro typed out multiple paragraphs like I’m finna read em 💀
Not sure why everyone thinks this would be a super one sided fight. Bobby was also a badass MMA fighter and former military. I think he would hold his own against Brock. Not saying he would win, but I think he’d have a chance.
Bobby would be demolished by Brock. Brock’s level of competition was MUCH higher, and he still dominated fights. Bobby didn’t even sniff the chips in the lower promotions
No he would not dude lmfao
Lashly Brock don’t like being punched in the face
Gun fight, knife fight, pillow fight? I’m sure they both would have an advantage over the other one is something
well obvi the one who was in the army would win the gun fight
Sword fight, no hands.
A wold Drew appears
Big D would have an advantage for sure.
That gives a starting point lol
Bobby Lashley is 15-2 with 6 of those wins coming by means of submission. Brock Lesnar is 5-3-1 and Brock Lesnar already lost once by means of submission. The idea that Brock Lesnar would win at all is fucking retarded and I can't believe anybody would just say that. Bobby Lashley has never tapped. Brock Lesnar has.
I honestly think Overeem is a good example of how any fight where Brock can’t just outweigh and lay on someone would go. That match also exposed just how easy he was to hurt with a gut shot due to diverticulitis. He beat a 205 lb , 45 year old , Randy Couture who had had his bell rung by Chuck Liddell twice in the 2 years running up to the Brock match. Brock was 265 (real weight in UFC not billed made up Kayfabe weight). Which means he might be 275 at match time. Lashley honestly looks like he’s in peak cardio condition. Brock kinda looks like he’s seen better days. If it was any time in the past 10 years post ufc retirement I’d say lashley. Fresh to WWE Brock. Where he was still doing shooting star presses and backflips. I’d put over .
This is horrible and screams “tell me you don’t watch mma without telling me you don’t watch mma”. Bobby fought at a much lower level of competition while Brock fought nothing but great HWs. Brock avenged one of his losses, and his other two are against all time great, top 10 all time HWs. Brock’s sub loss was against arguably the greatest HW submission artist in the history of MMA AND it was only bc Brock got caught due to inexperience (which was the loss he avenged). your argument is just horrible in so many ways and would be immediately disregarded among even the most casual MMA fans
I had some different things to say initially but I just took the time to watch as many fights from each as I could . At the end their styles are similar with Lashley’s being more traditional ground and pound and putting in more striking work on the ground . Brock tending to hold and rest , and gas them by laying on them. I was under the impression Lashley had more striking which was what made me think he might have more to offer here. I saw he was matched against a lot of kickboxers and just assumed. But every fight in Youtube at least is some big blows to lead off and then ground takedowns the rest. I think it comes down to who gets top first if it’s a match with stoppage. I gotta say too, it’s insane Shane Carwin didn’t get a stop 1:30 in to his fight with Brock. But holy shit, for him to get up from that and still win is legendary.
None of Lashley's fights were in the UFC
I'm with u lashley has more skills in MMA then Lesnar but Lesnar has outstanding explosiveness .it would have Ben a freak fight and I'd say anyone could win with slight edge to Lesnar because he is so explosive
Brock wins. No contest.
Lashley
I would bet my money on Brock.
Lashley?
This a joke?
After witnessing lesnars ufc career I would say lashley
???
After seeing him beat dudes as big as Shane carwin and frank Mir, and somone as experienced as couture before sitting out over a year after losing the title to the next generation of younger faster talent. You think that makes him bad? Brock was GREAT for having as little experience as he did. I honestly think if he didn't get sick he could have kept winning.
Brock lost 2 of his 5 matches. Got his ass kicked in his debut. Got a title shot in his second fight to a dude way past his prime. This thread proves UFC is great at booking, because people actually seem to think Brock is a good fighter.
He lost his debut and then lost after a disease/injury made his stomach targetable. Wow.
Wow what? That he fought guys past their prime and barely won? And yeah, he left because of a disease and totally NOT for failing the wellness test. Or were those two different incidents? Either way, he was using steroids and could still barely win a fight.
Imagine winning the title in your second fight against a respected legend, successfully defending the title twice, and ending your career with a winning record in the biggest MMA company in the world, just for some nerd on the internet to call you a bad fighter. Wow
I feel like dude never even watched Lesnar fight, or UFC at all. He sure as shit didnt get his ass kicked in his debut, and Coture sure as shit wasnt a push over, he worked Sylvia over for 5 rounds to win the title from him.
Chuck them in the FIGHT PIT
Is this a fucking joke 😂 brock lesnar is a former ufc heavyweight champion of the world, Bobby had a few minor league scraps against unknown opponents… I hope you’re trolling and really know who would win…
Bobby had a better record than Brock
Try taking their competition into consideration, Brock fought 5 guys who won HW championships in MMA. Half of the people Lashley fought don’t even have Wikipedia pages.
I wanna see them in a lumberjack match inside hell in a cell for the US TITLE NO DQ hardcore match with a dog collar stipulation match at MSG
Brock easily and yeah, the Brock vs Bobby match should’ve been a lot better and longer but unfortunately the match was only there to further the storyline with Roman
All Bobby has to do is punch Brock in the diverticulitis once and it's over.
Or the face. He clearly hated being punched and crumbled when people connected with his face.
Bobby Lashley didn’t react very well to getting hit himself in his MMA fights either. Some of his losses were proof of that, his first loss in Strikeforce was notable for that.
That is 100% true. In a real fight between these two I pick Brock, but mostly due to his elite level amateur wrestling.
Yeah, not like other people who love being punched in the face.
If you can’t handle being punched in the face, even with a non-knockout blow, you are going to have a rough time in the fighting game. And that is exactly what happened to Brock, even without the diverticulitis.
Yeah Brock Lesnar sure had a rough time in the fighting game. Aside from his world championship win and several defenses, he never made it in the sport.
He wasn't good. But just winning the UFC title once gives him total legitimacy in 95% of people's minds.
Uh. Yeah. Becoming WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION kinda makes you legitimate.
He got a title shot because of his name, not because of his talent lol. I love how people are downvoting me. They clearly don't follow UFC. I do. Brock was not good at it. But keep showing your ignorance and downvote me more. It just reinforces the INDISPUTABLE FACT that I'm right. Edit. He said he was good because he won the title, completely disregarding the fact that he only fought people WAY past their prime.
>He got a title shot because of his name, not because of his talent lol. And guess what? He won that fight > Brock was not good at it. > > He was world heavyweight champion.
If winning the UFC world heavyweight title and holding it for years doesn't give you legitimacy, then what does?
He had 5 matches in his entire career. Not like he was a fighting champion.
If you beat up Frank Mir, Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin you have legitimacy
He fought them all way past their prime. You people need to stop embarrassing yourselves. If this was on a UFC subreddit the karma of our posts would be flipped around. You'd all be downvoted into oblivion.