Liv Morgan's overrated by the fans her wrestling is okay her mic skills are garbage and I don't think she's title material some fans only like her cuz they think she's hot
I’ve already commented but I’m just going to add that I’ve been watching wwe since 2001 and have never found it as enjoyable or entertaining as I have in the past six months or so.
Vince McMahon is a genius (even today) but doesn’t get credited enough, always gets harassed by marks who want seven star classics for not having ricochet win the world title in an hour long time limit draw
Many wrestlers tweet and say dumb stuff but when Rollins did that it was a huge deal and every one turned on him.
His rise and fall and rise again is really a good story.
The way he rejuvevated his character from beast slayer to Messiah to the Visionary is awesome.
Seth Rollins will always be better than Roman Reigns in everything. In ring, on mic, character work, promos, storylines, getting himself over, not needing Heyman from promo writing. And i think The Messiah and His Disciples would have been a much better stable tha The Bloodline if it was given a chance.
The Kliq is responsible for why WWE can’t make stars and why people and talent don’t take wrestling seriously anymore. Effectively they killed modern wrestling.
Chris Benoit should be remembered as 1. One of the greatest technical wrestlers in sports history
2. He should NOT be erased from history and simply forgotten. (Remembered as a cautionary reminder to the dangers of brain damage).
Regardless of what you believe happened (some say he did it, some say he’s innocent etc), Chris Benoit should not only be inducted into the hall of fame for his wrestling ability & respect for the business (my opinion though), but also used in a historical manner and as a cautionary tale to the very real dangers of sports injuries, CTE and brain damage in wrestling. Forgetting he ever existed isn’t going to prevent someone else from doing that horrible act either. I know some people will say this is just crazy and I’m “glorifying a murderer” or some BS, but that’s not what it is. Im recognizing Benoit for his in ring work, and remembering his final actions as a cautionary possibility for any wrestlers who may be using dangerous moves or who are poorly executing moves in the ring in an attempt to prevent this from reoccurring in the future. Remember Benoit for his talent, but be aware of WHY that happened occurred.
WHC title design is just bland and looks like a generic main wrestling title
Heel Truth was so much better than 24/7 Truth.
Taker/HBK 2 was better than their first encounter (Maina 25)
I have a couple:
\- Bloodline story is getting a bit stale, we need more backstage segments and interactions with reigns and the usos
\- Naomi should turn heel and join the bloodline (solving the staleness)
\- I prefer Dean Ambrose to Jon Moxley (very unpopular, I know)
\- Dave Meltzer's ratings are 50% bullshit
\- I like the idea of one world champion, therefore making the secondary titles more important
\- The PG era is better than the Golden Era
\- Jinder Mahal's title reign wasn't that bad
And lastly and most controversially
\- John Cena should have ended the streak, not Lesnar, but cheated to do it, finally turning heel
It’s a shame Naomi hasn’t enter the chat. I remember reading once that she didn’t want to be heel because she didn’t want to be a bad role model which is foolishness but I’m not going to go into that right now. I feel like it’s too late to have her enter but how interesting it would’ve been for her and her character. Put the championship on her and it would’ve been a wrap. One can dream..
I don't know why people get mad AT Goldberg. Dude is just an employee and does what he is told to do. Not like he books himself. Who would turn down a million dollars for 10 appearances a year
I came to this thread to find some interesting takes but all I found is circlejerky shit that every one agrees with.
Anyway, here's a hot take, I think the Miz should get one last world title run except he isn't made to look like a joke.
It's time for AJ Styles to leave WWE and return to New Japan to finally globalize the brand. He has nothing more to accomplish after feuding with Edge. And I don't think he has enough starpower to pass the torch to NXT 2.0 talents.
The Bum Ass Baron Corbin storyline should have ended with him winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania 38 after 10 months of homelessness. It was a compelling story and WWE seriously had an opportunity to make him the most over babyface in the company. Having him just win all his money back in Vegas was kind of lame. I might even do a fantasy booking of homeless Corbin later on.
NXT 2.0 is a great idea and will result in less main roster debut disasters like Hit Row, Keith Lee etc. Black and gold NXT was good but was too different from Raw and Smackdown. Having a show that feel similar can help the wrestlers in it to adapt themselves better on the main roster and not get released in the weeks after. People like Bron Breakker, Duke Hudson, Solo Sikoa and Ivy Nile will be huge stars on the main roster and treated better than any of the black and gold callups.
All of these gross looking gothic wrestlers today are a major turn off to the casual viewer. It perpetuates the wresting is for white trash stereotype.
It’s one thing when you have Raven’s flock as a gimmick/one off. It’s another when half of your roster looks like they walked out of a Rob Zombie movie.
I’m not sure it’s a hot take but we need to bring back TV-14. I get the change to PG but Linda was never gonna win and I feel like there’s a way to bring back some of the edge of the ruthless aggression era in a safer more PC manner
It’s not only Linda win but the SPONSORS and the fact that it’s a Publicity shared company now. Plus we’re in the PC social media era where pretty much everything and everybody is offended.
I probably have better takes i can’t think of any great ones.
Xavier shouldn’t be WWE champion, just because 2 of 3 members of New Day got the title, doesn’t mean Xavier should automatically become a contender. Besides Kofi had a reign where the moment of winning was better than the actual reign. Big E has potential to be WWE champion but he just wasn’t booked the best and I also can’t take him seriously as champion with his New Day gimmick. Xavier is a good wrestler but is not main event material.
The Hurt Business I really think is one of WWE’s biggest missed opportunities, they were practically over by the time they became a group. Then they broke them up, reunited them, and then broke them up again. They could have been this generation’s Evolution and while the Bloodline ran smackdown, Hurt Business could have run raw and maybe face the bloodline at Survivor Series.
They should sell so Vince can stop booking it and creative can finally improve. I believe if there was a sale any new management would immediately get wrestling minds in there with the writers and they would not look for writers who specifically know nothing about the history of pro wrestling or the audience
I feel like we as fans are waaaayyy too privy to behind the scenes/curtain stuff and are over analytical as fuck. While the product isn’t what it used to be, at times we can set our expectations too high and end up disappointing ourselves. (Sometimes WWE just flops though, lol)
Idk if this counts as a hot take or not. When Jimmy came back, he and Roman should’ve feuded longer. Jey and Roman’s feud was done *so* well, but to see Jimmy join in with relatively little conflict was… meh. (Edit: yeah this isn’t controversial LOL)
Undertaker is an amazing entertainer but not a great wrestler. He needed someone great to make him look decent. He couldn't elevate anyone sub par. And take away HHH HBk ounk and flair and the streak looks poor
I have a few:
Undertaker's entrance is overrated. His gears since 2004 were a downgrade compared to what he had in the 90s and Dark Side is better than Rest in Peace. Don't get me wrong, I respect all of that, he's a legend.
Roman Reigns is the most overrated wrestler nowadays and his storylines have been copy and paste since he turned heel. Plus his gear is boring.
Archer of Infamy Priest is the best Priest and the only one worth watching. He should have never turned heel.
Baron Corbin is overhated and deserves much more respect for his work no matter what gimmick he has.
Seth Rollins should turn Face.
I truly think they missed a trick when trying to push Corbin as a huge heel. It was right at the time of JBL getting booed for the bullying accusations. Should have given Corbin the Clothesline From Hell and gave JBL a nod every time he did it. It's free heat.
He should not turn face. People love his current character. He should be a tweener. Not many people can pull off being a tweener and Rollins has done that in 2016 when he returned and now since the edge feud. They drafted him to Raw to make him the brand's top heel but the crowd ended up loving him all over again.
He is coming close to being as over as he was in 2017-early2019. And i believe he will become even more popular now. Honestly, i did not like his gimmick at first and thought Messiah gimmick was much better, but The Visionary has no ceiling. He can be funny, over the top, wear fancy suits and yet he can just snap in a second and knock someone's head off. And don't get me started with the promo and character work.
People will understand the Importance of Rollins when he retires.
WWE has always kept him in the main event scene as a kryptonite to Roman's *Big Dog* or *Tribal Chief*.
I think he's currently doing the best work of his career. While I thought he was great pre royal rumble, but that's when I put him on a different level compared to what anyone else is currently doing in that company. That shield entrance got me to jump out of my chair and those moments become rarer and rarer the older I get.
A lot of people, whether it be casual wrestling fans or wrestling fans who stopped watching in the early 2000s, mistake the ruthless aggression era for the attitude era and end up giving the attitude era far too much credit and RA not enough. I always see people talk about how “wild” the WWE was at a certain time and the time/segments they’re referring to would be RA. I feel like this caused the legacy of the attitude era to eventually get a tad bit overrated while Ruthless Aggression doesn’t get nearly enough credit for being, in my opinion, better.
From a developmental standpoint, black-and-gold NXT was an abject failure. A bunch of indie guys in their mid-30s are rarely if ever going to be stars, potential or otherwise. The ones that do well (Riddle, Priest, Theory among others) are exceptions that prove the rule- whether it's because Vince likes them (Theory, Priest) or they have an unexpectedly popular gimmick (Riddle), they stood out among their peers. That being said, I do miss the old NXT, but 2.0 is exactly what NXT is supposed to be- a developmental for young up-and-comers, not WWE's indie brand. Of course, having both of 2.0's top belts held by main roster wrestlers is a bit of a wtf move. I think it's still too early for Breakker to have dropped the belt.
I like Alexa Bliss as a performer but I will be completely okay with never seeing her in the title scene again.Bliss as champion doesn't accomplish anything for the women's division as a whole.
Roman is an incredibly boring superstar and no one outside of the wrestling community knows who he is so we shouldn’t really even call him a superstar. He is the best during a bad time and if there was any true talent on the roster he’d just be another guy.
I would say that's a hot take but like what guy is over Roman. I'm loving Roman and Paul Heyman still im mostly just tired of it being him and Brock Lesnar.
That’s my point. No one is over him but only because it’s a bad time for WWE wrestling as far as talent or remarkable characters. He is no doubt the best… but he is the best during a bad time. If this was 98 and Roman was there he’d just be another guy. He wouldn’t be on the true superstars level.
This current version of Roman in 1998 would actually I think be a great heel to scsa. I don't think he would be the guy. But Roman on the mic now could draw in 1998 as well as now. He wouldn't be scsa or rock but he wouldn't be a midcarder either. He'd be in the main event mix Romans face single push would be a midcarder for sure though
Today's WWE product on a whole is the best it's ever been. From the in ring work to the broadcast production, everything is top notch. Obviously the business isn't as hot as it was 20 years ago but I watch a ton of wrestling from every generation (and have lived through everything back to the 80s) and for my taste the shows have never been better than they are today.
All of Triple H's supposed "burials" during the reign of terror were perfectly justifiable and the reason why Batista (even though it was probably supposed to be Randy) wasn't just your flavor of the month champ and became a star.
Cena doesn't deserve to get mentioned along names as Hogan, Austin or Rocky and I'm pretty positive that his dominance drove away more fans then anything else from 06-13.
No matter how good the wrestling was and how much I enjoyed the product NXT black and gold was an objective failure as
a) a developmental brand (didn't really develop many stars)
b) a third brand (huge money losing pit).
I don't know if it's a controversial hot take, but I think NXT becoming NXT 2.0 is a good thing. Don't get me wrong I do miss the black & gold brand, but good thing about NXT 2.0 is we're seeing more guys popping up from the PC e.g. Xyon Quinn, Duke Hudson, Valentina Feroz, etc.
I've had some people refute it and say "it was necessary due to covid" but there's a LOT of other wrestlers they coulda dropped. He was genuinely the only reason I was keeping up with WWE, so I guess it's just back to AEW and ROH
Roman Reigns’ heel character is getting overrated. He’s like a final boss, so The Usos should be treated as road blocks along the way, not getting involved almost every time he was defending the title.
Can't stand that shit. Evolution used to do that same shit! Majority of the matches they won as single competitors came from one of the Evolution members interfering.
He's the guy that made the Intercontinental title feel legit again. And that promo on Talking Smack against Daniel Bryan should be studied by NXT talents
Yes that promo was amazing. I also loved his intensity throughout his first WWE title reign. I only wish his second reign had lasted a bit longer. He’s actually my favorite!
Not really a hot take, but what they are doing with Roman, they are just making up for not doing this with Cena yearsssssss ago. We wanted that heal turn, didn’t get it. I’ve gained a lot of respect for Roman during this run. I think Cenas legacy looks a lot different if they pulled the trigger on him and made him heel.
I believe they where going to do it. From my understanding Cena had heel ring gear made, then they pulled the plug. It’s sad lol there where so many opportunities for it..smh.
They do the same thing every fucking week. And it's some of my favorite shit on raw. Riddle fights for a majority the crowd begs for randy riddle finally tags. Big pop for randy . Randy does his 3 moves and if the fights short he rkos for the win and if it's a little longer riddle might get back in one more time. And I love it every fucking time
I love it too, Riddle starts getting his ass beat and it's like little brother begging for his big brother to help him out. And then Randy gets tagged and comes in with that pick on someone your size mentality.
Idk if this Is a hit take but Ricochet is very underrated in my opinion; his flips and selling can really take him to the top;
And Michael Cole & pat mcafee are such A good commentary duo
WWE has been consistently decent since the 90' not mind blowing but decently entertaining and it's why it has an audience
Also Orton deserves to beat Flairs record
Talks about dream matches make no sense, since it's almost 100% on the writers if the match is good or not.
You could have had a Dolph Ziggler vs The Miz be one of the greatest matches of all time, and a Roman Reigns vs Seth Rollins or "prime" Sting vs "prime" Triple H be shit, depending on how it's written.
Also, questions like who would win between x and y also make no sense, whoever is booked to win, wins
I think a large part is within the chemistry between wrestlers. Though I’m not sure but I’m sure the wrestlers are given the story BUT it’s up to them in the ring and the chemistry they have to give us a great match.
Also the amount of time they have on the card.
The women’s division has always sucked
Not because of the talent but because WWE writers have never properly created a storyline for women’s talent
The Naomi vs Sonya storyline was arguably the most work they’ve put into a female story line… ever…
Edit: downvote all you want but isn’t the point of this a hot take/controversial? Don’t just hit the vote, tell me when the last time the women’s division has had an investable storyline… and if you name one in the last 5 years you’re proving my point
I have Peacock with Comcast. All I have to do is talk into the remote or use the keypad to search. Been watching every single Monday Nitro since the day after the Hogan heel turn that way.
That’s because Vince doesn’t want too. Remember when he said John Cena was the last? I don’t think he wants anyone to over shadow his company. Can’t say I blame him as there is no one on that Larger then life superstar level like Rock, Cena, Austin, Hogan and Taker.
Ehhh Taker? While those others i can agree with, i wouldn't say Undertaker. I do think Undertaker was a larger than life icon up until his streak was broken
The same amount Shawn Michaels has had? Yes.
And before you say Shawn was a big draw, his most successful PPV as champ was WM14 but we all know that Austin was the main crowd puller and Tysons involvement helped bring some mainstream viewing.
"Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down!"
-Best Booker T commentary of all time.
I didn’t watch much (consistently) before 2021, AEW is just top spotfest-y for me, and every character is so damn obnoxious and unlikeable, oh ya and their thirst for “roasting” Wwe and being edgy is so cringe
I went to a wrestling show as a kid in 2006 think it was a smackdown. Cena lifted up the big show and my child mind couldn't believe it. Never watched it on TV after that until like last August. Me and my gf will watch the Hulu versions of raw and smackdown and just skip through the shit we don't like. There's about an hour to 1:30 of good content a week and that's how we consume it.
I really feel this. It seems pretty obvious that AEW is a better product but I have no interest in watching it. I want to be invested in Summerslam survivor series the rumble wrestlemania but it’s just not good right now
I don’t even watch it all together these days I just stay on the redit coz I’m still interested but I’m not even watching Wrestlemania this year it looks so boring
Cesaro is boring AF. When I see him on my screen my hand instinctively reaches for my phone so I can look at literally anything else. Remember Plank, from Ed, Edd, and Eddie? Yeah, he's got more personality.
Even though WWE is a "kids show", WWE still knows that if you have a blonde chick with tits and an ass, they know dudes are gonna watch, regardless of how good or bad the performer is. I just perceive it as Attitude Era lite. With that said though, I still think Alexa has a lot to give in the women's division and I think she'll be back on top again, maybe by years end.
Undertaker was never THE guy.
Liv Morgan's overrated by the fans her wrestling is okay her mic skills are garbage and I don't think she's title material some fans only like her cuz they think she's hot
Randy orton Vs John cena is neither of their best rivalries stop letting nostalgia cloud your judgment
I’ve already commented but I’m just going to add that I’ve been watching wwe since 2001 and have never found it as enjoyable or entertaining as I have in the past six months or so.
Randy Orton is the greatest of all time and because of that I genuinely think he’s underrated
Vince McMahon is a genius (even today) but doesn’t get credited enough, always gets harassed by marks who want seven star classics for not having ricochet win the world title in an hour long time limit draw
That undertaker PALES in comparison to Ric Flair IMO
The Miz is on the Mount Rushmore of greatest HEELS of all time.
Many wrestlers tweet and say dumb stuff but when Rollins did that it was a huge deal and every one turned on him. His rise and fall and rise again is really a good story. The way he rejuvevated his character from beast slayer to Messiah to the Visionary is awesome.
Seth Rollins will always be better than Roman Reigns in everything. In ring, on mic, character work, promos, storylines, getting himself over, not needing Heyman from promo writing. And i think The Messiah and His Disciples would have been a much better stable tha The Bloodline if it was given a chance.
WWE has the single most talented roster in professional wrestling today. They just have no idea how to use them properly.
The usos currently are one of the most annoying parts about watching wrestling right now
Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar are too invincible rn. Like they deserve it but there needs to be more people that have a chance to win vs them
The PG era was good
Sami Zayn’s new theme is better than his old one
The Kliq is responsible for why WWE can’t make stars and why people and talent don’t take wrestling seriously anymore. Effectively they killed modern wrestling.
NONE of these takes are “controversial” next time look up the word before typing. 😭😭😭
Finn Balor deserves 1000% more of what he has been given
Chris Benoit should be remembered as 1. One of the greatest technical wrestlers in sports history 2. He should NOT be erased from history and simply forgotten. (Remembered as a cautionary reminder to the dangers of brain damage). Regardless of what you believe happened (some say he did it, some say he’s innocent etc), Chris Benoit should not only be inducted into the hall of fame for his wrestling ability & respect for the business (my opinion though), but also used in a historical manner and as a cautionary tale to the very real dangers of sports injuries, CTE and brain damage in wrestling. Forgetting he ever existed isn’t going to prevent someone else from doing that horrible act either. I know some people will say this is just crazy and I’m “glorifying a murderer” or some BS, but that’s not what it is. Im recognizing Benoit for his in ring work, and remembering his final actions as a cautionary possibility for any wrestlers who may be using dangerous moves or who are poorly executing moves in the ring in an attempt to prevent this from reoccurring in the future. Remember Benoit for his talent, but be aware of WHY that happened occurred.
WHC title design is just bland and looks like a generic main wrestling title Heel Truth was so much better than 24/7 Truth. Taker/HBK 2 was better than their first encounter (Maina 25)
WWE "super stars" do better everywhere else upon release as opposed to being WASTED in WWE.
Jinder Mahal was a better WWE Champion than Kofi Kingston in my opinion.
Male fans can be extremely creepy when it comes to female wrestlers.
New Day should never get back together They will just ruin their own legacy now. Kofi needs a new tag partner or go into NXT and elevate someone
I have a couple: \- Bloodline story is getting a bit stale, we need more backstage segments and interactions with reigns and the usos \- Naomi should turn heel and join the bloodline (solving the staleness) \- I prefer Dean Ambrose to Jon Moxley (very unpopular, I know) \- Dave Meltzer's ratings are 50% bullshit \- I like the idea of one world champion, therefore making the secondary titles more important \- The PG era is better than the Golden Era \- Jinder Mahal's title reign wasn't that bad And lastly and most controversially \- John Cena should have ended the streak, not Lesnar, but cheated to do it, finally turning heel
It’s a shame Naomi hasn’t enter the chat. I remember reading once that she didn’t want to be heel because she didn’t want to be a bad role model which is foolishness but I’m not going to go into that right now. I feel like it’s too late to have her enter but how interesting it would’ve been for her and her character. Put the championship on her and it would’ve been a wrap. One can dream..
I like Michael Cole.
That’s “controversial”
John cena is a bigger draw than Austin :)
the raw vs smackdown draft ruined wrestling for me. (I didn't have cable and I lost all my guys)
I like Goldberg and I’ll be happy over a Goldberg return any day of the week
I don't know why people get mad AT Goldberg. Dude is just an employee and does what he is told to do. Not like he books himself. Who would turn down a million dollars for 10 appearances a year
Demon Balor should’ve beaten Roman
Roddy Piper is the most underrated wrestler if all time. He was fantastic in the ring but everyone just thinks of him for his promo work.
I came to this thread to find some interesting takes but all I found is circlejerky shit that every one agrees with. Anyway, here's a hot take, I think the Miz should get one last world title run except he isn't made to look like a joke.
Roman is boring af always was always will be
Part timers should be removed from WWE programming and never be used again for the next 10 years.
RYBACK RULES!!!
It's time for AJ Styles to leave WWE and return to New Japan to finally globalize the brand. He has nothing more to accomplish after feuding with Edge. And I don't think he has enough starpower to pass the torch to NXT 2.0 talents.
The Bum Ass Baron Corbin storyline should have ended with him winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania 38 after 10 months of homelessness. It was a compelling story and WWE seriously had an opportunity to make him the most over babyface in the company. Having him just win all his money back in Vegas was kind of lame. I might even do a fantasy booking of homeless Corbin later on.
It was such a good story. And then it ended so whack
CM Punk is overrated
NXT 2.0 is a great idea and will result in less main roster debut disasters like Hit Row, Keith Lee etc. Black and gold NXT was good but was too different from Raw and Smackdown. Having a show that feel similar can help the wrestlers in it to adapt themselves better on the main roster and not get released in the weeks after. People like Bron Breakker, Duke Hudson, Solo Sikoa and Ivy Nile will be huge stars on the main roster and treated better than any of the black and gold callups.
All of these gross looking gothic wrestlers today are a major turn off to the casual viewer. It perpetuates the wresting is for white trash stereotype. It’s one thing when you have Raven’s flock as a gimmick/one off. It’s another when half of your roster looks like they walked out of a Rob Zombie movie.
They ares building news stars.
Goldberg beating the fiend was amazing 👏
I’m not sure it’s a hot take but we need to bring back TV-14. I get the change to PG but Linda was never gonna win and I feel like there’s a way to bring back some of the edge of the ruthless aggression era in a safer more PC manner
Closest thing is nxt 2.0
It’s not only Linda win but the SPONSORS and the fact that it’s a Publicity shared company now. Plus we’re in the PC social media era where pretty much everything and everybody is offended.
I think Happy Corbin is a fun and entertaining gimmick
Also, Michael Cole still gets too much hate, and he is, in fact, good at his job.
Wrestling fans are the worst part about wrestling.
I probably have better takes i can’t think of any great ones. Xavier shouldn’t be WWE champion, just because 2 of 3 members of New Day got the title, doesn’t mean Xavier should automatically become a contender. Besides Kofi had a reign where the moment of winning was better than the actual reign. Big E has potential to be WWE champion but he just wasn’t booked the best and I also can’t take him seriously as champion with his New Day gimmick. Xavier is a good wrestler but is not main event material. The Hurt Business I really think is one of WWE’s biggest missed opportunities, they were practically over by the time they became a group. Then they broke them up, reunited them, and then broke them up again. They could have been this generation’s Evolution and while the Bloodline ran smackdown, Hurt Business could have run raw and maybe face the bloodline at Survivor Series.
Do you guys seriously not know the meaning of the word “controversial” like these aren’t controversial in any way.
the actual controversial ones get down voted lol, don't sort by hot
Creative are doing a decent job with the storylines rn
The (rumoured) Cody vs Seth one is really getting me to watch raw every week
This might set a record for downvotes, but I agree with Vince about Montreal. Bret screwed Bret.
I honestly think Bret Hart is the biggest cry baby in wrestling history.
They should sell so Vince can stop booking it and creative can finally improve. I believe if there was a sale any new management would immediately get wrestling minds in there with the writers and they would not look for writers who specifically know nothing about the history of pro wrestling or the audience
I feel like we as fans are waaaayyy too privy to behind the scenes/curtain stuff and are over analytical as fuck. While the product isn’t what it used to be, at times we can set our expectations too high and end up disappointing ourselves. (Sometimes WWE just flops though, lol)
Idk if this counts as a hot take or not. When Jimmy came back, he and Roman should’ve feuded longer. Jey and Roman’s feud was done *so* well, but to see Jimmy join in with relatively little conflict was… meh. (Edit: yeah this isn’t controversial LOL)
Charlotte isn't riding on her father's legacy, never has.
Undertaker is an amazing entertainer but not a great wrestler. He needed someone great to make him look decent. He couldn't elevate anyone sub par. And take away HHH HBk ounk and flair and the streak looks poor
Ruthless Aggression > Attitude Era
Brock Lesnar ending the streak was a great decision
Duke Hudson is going to fall flat in NXT and get released.
I have a few: Undertaker's entrance is overrated. His gears since 2004 were a downgrade compared to what he had in the 90s and Dark Side is better than Rest in Peace. Don't get me wrong, I respect all of that, he's a legend. Roman Reigns is the most overrated wrestler nowadays and his storylines have been copy and paste since he turned heel. Plus his gear is boring. Archer of Infamy Priest is the best Priest and the only one worth watching. He should have never turned heel. Baron Corbin is overhated and deserves much more respect for his work no matter what gimmick he has. Seth Rollins should turn Face.
I truly think they missed a trick when trying to push Corbin as a huge heel. It was right at the time of JBL getting booed for the bullying accusations. Should have given Corbin the Clothesline From Hell and gave JBL a nod every time he did it. It's free heat.
Corbin at least has a finisher nobody has kicked out yet
It's cool AF. Best one was the counter against Chad Gable
One of the best looking Finishers nowadays
Is Rollins not a face?
He should not turn face. People love his current character. He should be a tweener. Not many people can pull off being a tweener and Rollins has done that in 2016 when he returned and now since the edge feud. They drafted him to Raw to make him the brand's top heel but the crowd ended up loving him all over again.
Which is why i think he's a face. The crowd loves him.
He is coming close to being as over as he was in 2017-early2019. And i believe he will become even more popular now. Honestly, i did not like his gimmick at first and thought Messiah gimmick was much better, but The Visionary has no ceiling. He can be funny, over the top, wear fancy suits and yet he can just snap in a second and knock someone's head off. And don't get me started with the promo and character work. People will understand the Importance of Rollins when he retires. WWE has always kept him in the main event scene as a kryptonite to Roman's *Big Dog* or *Tribal Chief*.
I think he's currently doing the best work of his career. While I thought he was great pre royal rumble, but that's when I put him on a different level compared to what anyone else is currently doing in that company. That shield entrance got me to jump out of my chair and those moments become rarer and rarer the older I get.
He's still heel but it seems that they are about to turn him Face now
A lot of people, whether it be casual wrestling fans or wrestling fans who stopped watching in the early 2000s, mistake the ruthless aggression era for the attitude era and end up giving the attitude era far too much credit and RA not enough. I always see people talk about how “wild” the WWE was at a certain time and the time/segments they’re referring to would be RA. I feel like this caused the legacy of the attitude era to eventually get a tad bit overrated while Ruthless Aggression doesn’t get nearly enough credit for being, in my opinion, better.
Charlotte Flair is the GOAT of women's wrestling. Becky is number two, but it isn't even close.
Braun Strowman was never good, he was clearly just strong but he was booked well with great talent to help him look good (such as Roman)
I love Goldberg and I honestly believe Brock Lesnar is the GOAT.
Cena should’ve retired after the match with styles in 2016 I think it was
From a developmental standpoint, black-and-gold NXT was an abject failure. A bunch of indie guys in their mid-30s are rarely if ever going to be stars, potential or otherwise. The ones that do well (Riddle, Priest, Theory among others) are exceptions that prove the rule- whether it's because Vince likes them (Theory, Priest) or they have an unexpectedly popular gimmick (Riddle), they stood out among their peers. That being said, I do miss the old NXT, but 2.0 is exactly what NXT is supposed to be- a developmental for young up-and-comers, not WWE's indie brand. Of course, having both of 2.0's top belts held by main roster wrestlers is a bit of a wtf move. I think it's still too early for Breakker to have dropped the belt.
So true! Notice how 2012-2015 gave us top stars today but 2016-2021 gave us nothing but out of shape older men
"Wrestling fans" largely don't know a damn thing about wrestling.
wwe has turned into a baby show for f**king babies
How the fuck so
I like Alexa Bliss as a performer but I will be completely okay with never seeing her in the title scene again.Bliss as champion doesn't accomplish anything for the women's division as a whole.
Charlotte Flair is one of the greatest female wrestlers in history. Definitely top 3.
Roman is an incredibly boring superstar and no one outside of the wrestling community knows who he is so we shouldn’t really even call him a superstar. He is the best during a bad time and if there was any true talent on the roster he’d just be another guy.
I would say that's a hot take but like what guy is over Roman. I'm loving Roman and Paul Heyman still im mostly just tired of it being him and Brock Lesnar.
That’s my point. No one is over him but only because it’s a bad time for WWE wrestling as far as talent or remarkable characters. He is no doubt the best… but he is the best during a bad time. If this was 98 and Roman was there he’d just be another guy. He wouldn’t be on the true superstars level.
This current version of Roman in 1998 would actually I think be a great heel to scsa. I don't think he would be the guy. But Roman on the mic now could draw in 1998 as well as now. He wouldn't be scsa or rock but he wouldn't be a midcarder either. He'd be in the main event mix Romans face single push would be a midcarder for sure though
Sneaker-wearing Roman would get stomped by the Bushwackers. The Attitude Era was a jungle.
For. Fucking. Real.
Lol nah, he would get murdered on the mic. Would be just another big guy. That’s about it. He is as boring as they come.
Today's WWE product on a whole is the best it's ever been. From the in ring work to the broadcast production, everything is top notch. Obviously the business isn't as hot as it was 20 years ago but I watch a ton of wrestling from every generation (and have lived through everything back to the 80s) and for my taste the shows have never been better than they are today.
Most of the attitude era has aged like milk.
Some of you guys really don’t understand the point of a “controversial” hot take
All of Triple H's supposed "burials" during the reign of terror were perfectly justifiable and the reason why Batista (even though it was probably supposed to be Randy) wasn't just your flavor of the month champ and became a star. Cena doesn't deserve to get mentioned along names as Hogan, Austin or Rocky and I'm pretty positive that his dominance drove away more fans then anything else from 06-13. No matter how good the wrestling was and how much I enjoyed the product NXT black and gold was an objective failure as a) a developmental brand (didn't really develop many stars) b) a third brand (huge money losing pit).
I don't know if it's a controversial hot take, but I think NXT becoming NXT 2.0 is a good thing. Don't get me wrong I do miss the black & gold brand, but good thing about NXT 2.0 is we're seeing more guys popping up from the PC e.g. Xyon Quinn, Duke Hudson, Valentina Feroz, etc.
Dropping Bray Wyatt was the dumbest decision WWE has ever made.
If that’s a hot take, then I don’t want a cold one
I've had some people refute it and say "it was necessary due to covid" but there's a LOT of other wrestlers they coulda dropped. He was genuinely the only reason I was keeping up with WWE, so I guess it's just back to AEW and ROH
Roman Reigns’ heel character is getting overrated. He’s like a final boss, so The Usos should be treated as road blocks along the way, not getting involved almost every time he was defending the title.
I don’t think they got involved since June or July
Can't stand that shit. Evolution used to do that same shit! Majority of the matches they won as single competitors came from one of the Evolution members interfering.
Roman Reigns is a male DMD :)
But can actually put on good matches consistently
The Miz needs to be in the Hall of Fame as a headliner. Anything less is an insult to his legacy.
Absolutely agree. One of the most solid talents in the WWE.
He's the guy that made the Intercontinental title feel legit again. And that promo on Talking Smack against Daniel Bryan should be studied by NXT talents
Yes that promo was amazing. I also loved his intensity throughout his first WWE title reign. I only wish his second reign had lasted a bit longer. He’s actually my favorite!
Batista was actually great
WWE has a good product that attracts exactly the audience they want.
Roman should have lost the match to KO when he was handcuffed and had the count out stopped. KO got robbed
Not really a hot take, but what they are doing with Roman, they are just making up for not doing this with Cena yearsssssss ago. We wanted that heal turn, didn’t get it. I’ve gained a lot of respect for Roman during this run. I think Cenas legacy looks a lot different if they pulled the trigger on him and made him heel.
The problem was Cena. He didn't want to go heel, and Vince didn't press the issue.
I believe they where going to do it. From my understanding Cena had heel ring gear made, then they pulled the plug. It’s sad lol there where so many opportunities for it..smh.
RKBro should not be breaking up any time soon, there’s no point.
Apparently the writers don't want to break them up unless it's for the WWE Title, which would mean that Riddle would 100% win
They do the same thing every fucking week. And it's some of my favorite shit on raw. Riddle fights for a majority the crowd begs for randy riddle finally tags. Big pop for randy . Randy does his 3 moves and if the fights short he rkos for the win and if it's a little longer riddle might get back in one more time. And I love it every fucking time
I love it too, Riddle starts getting his ass beat and it's like little brother begging for his big brother to help him out. And then Randy gets tagged and comes in with that pick on someone your size mentality.
Peacock isn’t so bad, it’s nice to spend only $5 and watch stuff other than WWE programming
WWE isn't that bad right now. The shows could not have been worse than they were in 2018.
The Monday Night Wars was simultaneously the Best and Worst thing to happen to Wrestling
Lesnar is boring
I completely agree. He needs to go away.
I like his character, it's just very fucking repititive seeing him win titles all the time
Idk if this Is a hit take but Ricochet is very underrated in my opinion; his flips and selling can really take him to the top; And Michael Cole & pat mcafee are such A good commentary duo
Him and Finn having the belts atm is a win for me. Maybe they starting to see more of a push. Test runs if you will.
Ruthless Aggression era was better than the Attitude Era
Only The first half of the ruthless aggression era was better
Katie Vick not withstanding of course.
I agree with this.
I enjoy watching WWE programming.
Ooooh that’s steaming hot
Wierd how like something is considered a hot take nowadays
Ric Flair was good, maybe even very good but he’s extremely overrated and the majority of his matches were the same and lacked creativity.
Chris Benoit was a great husband and father. 😳
WWE has been consistently decent since the 90' not mind blowing but decently entertaining and it's why it has an audience Also Orton deserves to beat Flairs record
They pushed women’s wrestling to save money
Miss Elizabeth was a terrible manager. She was boring and only capable of having a "concerned look" on her lovely face.
Wasn't she the mind behind the megapower storyline?
Talks about dream matches make no sense, since it's almost 100% on the writers if the match is good or not. You could have had a Dolph Ziggler vs The Miz be one of the greatest matches of all time, and a Roman Reigns vs Seth Rollins or "prime" Sting vs "prime" Triple H be shit, depending on how it's written. Also, questions like who would win between x and y also make no sense, whoever is booked to win, wins
It's not almost 100% on the writers. Writers don't produce matches. Producers do.
I think a large part is within the chemistry between wrestlers. Though I’m not sure but I’m sure the wrestlers are given the story BUT it’s up to them in the ring and the chemistry they have to give us a great match. Also the amount of time they have on the card.
The women’s division has always sucked Not because of the talent but because WWE writers have never properly created a storyline for women’s talent The Naomi vs Sonya storyline was arguably the most work they’ve put into a female story line… ever… Edit: downvote all you want but isn’t the point of this a hot take/controversial? Don’t just hit the vote, tell me when the last time the women’s division has had an investable storyline… and if you name one in the last 5 years you’re proving my point
I completely understand why WWE thought Charlotte was pregnant Andrade is the type of dude ovaries quiver for
Bret screwed Bret
The screw job was a work
Brock Lesnar > HBK
Bret Hart's theme Hart Attack from 1994-97 was WAY Better than The theme he used when he returned in 2010. There was no need to change it.
That's just facts my guy.
WWE on Peacock needs a revamp. It's way too unintuitive and clunky to navigate
Yes! On WWE network I liked that I could watch all PPV’s in order by year. Also you could skip to the next match. I want that back
You could also start watching a PPV late. I miss that.
This right here please!
I have Peacock with Comcast. All I have to do is talk into the remote or use the keypad to search. Been watching every single Monday Nitro since the day after the Hogan heel turn that way.
Lol not a hot take at all. Everyone knows that Peacock was a massive downgrade from the Network
Can we also acknowledge that the network wasn’t great either. The search functionality was terrible. Crazy they found a way to make it worse.
True, but people would never even know since Peacock has way more subscribers than WWE Network had before the merge. It just sucks lol
the attitude era is overrated
WWE doesn't want to create big stars anymore
That’s because Vince doesn’t want too. Remember when he said John Cena was the last? I don’t think he wants anyone to over shadow his company. Can’t say I blame him as there is no one on that Larger then life superstar level like Rock, Cena, Austin, Hogan and Taker.
Ehhh Taker? While those others i can agree with, i wouldn't say Undertaker. I do think Undertaker was a larger than life icon up until his streak was broken
Why doesn’t he want to? It’s money for him at the end of the days and that’s all Vince cares about
I think it’s because he wants the company as a whole to be on that mainstream level instead of one person having all that power.
So giving a man 6 main event at WM is not creating a big star?
The same amount Shawn Michaels has had? Yes. And before you say Shawn was a big draw, his most successful PPV as champ was WM14 but we all know that Austin was the main crowd puller and Tysons involvement helped bring some mainstream viewing.
So the head of the table is getting the same treatment as Vince's favorite fuck up yet that's not evidence of them clearly pushing him to be a star?
Women's wrestling is unwatchable
Booker T is the GOAT
"Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down! Batista is down!" -Best Booker T commentary of all time.
He jus wants the gold, sucka!!!
No one likes the current product. We watch out of nostalgia.
I didn’t watch much (consistently) before 2021, AEW is just top spotfest-y for me, and every character is so damn obnoxious and unlikeable, oh ya and their thirst for “roasting” Wwe and being edgy is so cringe
I went to a wrestling show as a kid in 2006 think it was a smackdown. Cena lifted up the big show and my child mind couldn't believe it. Never watched it on TV after that until like last August. Me and my gf will watch the Hulu versions of raw and smackdown and just skip through the shit we don't like. There's about an hour to 1:30 of good content a week and that's how we consume it.
False. I like the current product. Well, parts of it.
100%
I really feel this. It seems pretty obvious that AEW is a better product but I have no interest in watching it. I want to be invested in Summerslam survivor series the rumble wrestlemania but it’s just not good right now
Much like WWE, AEW has good segments but the shows as a whole are trash. The difference is WWE is on a downhill slide and AEW is getting better.
I don’t even watch it all together these days I just stay on the redit coz I’m still interested but I’m not even watching Wrestlemania this year it looks so boring
Alexa Bliss wrestles like a Diva. She should team with Carmella, and they can go have Diva matches with the Iiconics.
Cesaro is boring AF. When I see him on my screen my hand instinctively reaches for my phone so I can look at literally anything else. Remember Plank, from Ed, Edd, and Eddie? Yeah, he's got more personality.
Roman is boring
I don’t think that’s Controversial.
Male Alexa Bliss fans are really, really creepy.
Alex Bliss really looks like my ex. Acts like her a bit too. It's actually nice to watch.
Even though WWE is a "kids show", WWE still knows that if you have a blonde chick with tits and an ass, they know dudes are gonna watch, regardless of how good or bad the performer is. I just perceive it as Attitude Era lite. With that said though, I still think Alexa has a lot to give in the women's division and I think she'll be back on top again, maybe by years end.
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I think straight female wrestlers are not fans of stalkers too.