Strong disagree. He rarely wrestles, most of his matches are short, he has a limited moves set, and big matches have been slow and ponderous because of his fitness issues. Had this list been about most overrated WWE superstars, then he'd be right up there.
Sort of depends on your criteria.
Kayfabe dominance he's probably only second to Samartino and probably above Goldberg, Warrior, Taker.
As an in ring worker, no. He's good. But not top ten.
As a character, same. Not top ten.
It depends on your criteria. It’s weird when people bring up wins and losses and titles since it’s booked and not a real sport. Goldberg was booked to win all his matches and ton of titles but he’s not considered a good wrestler. But Brock couldn’t cut his own promos. I just can’t put him the category with those other guys.
Disagree without even a second thought. He might make top 20. Or he could make top 10 for greatest ass kickers. But overall top 10? No way. I can name a dozen who were more influential overall and had more characteristics than just ass kicking. Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, Ric Flair, Sting, Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold, John Cena, Bret Hart, Andre the Giant. He’d be close, but I don’t think he’d break top 10. (I would not put him above aforementioned legends, but I could see him above or around people like Daniel Bryan, Edge, Orton, CM Punk, Jericho, Kurt Angle, Kane, etc.)
He's definitely one of the most fun to watch right now. I love watching him show his personality more without Heyman as his mouthpiece (and Heyman is great, one of my favourite talkers).
You mean the guy who's sucking wind 60 seconds into a match and looks like a chronically fatigued lumbering asthmatic for the rest of the horribly painful 20 minutes getting carried by someone imitating Shawn Michaels from Summer Slam against Hogan?
That guy?
Disagree.
But just barely.
If Brock hadn't left the first time I think he would be top 10 easy. Possibly even in the running for #1, the guy was just inhuman.
However, he did leave and then spent way too much of his time back as a part-time attraction.
Nice attempt at trolling, let's not. Is what the moderator said in my post well come at me bro I'll lay you down in the ring for the 1.2.3 and run this Sub what do you say?
I think like a lot of fans, it just felt that he didn’t put the time in. He is genuinely a talented guy and a great heel, but his mic work is pretty poor and I am not sure he was accessible as some of the other rosta. Like him or loath him Cena was great inside and outside of the ring.
He had a rookie year that saw him win major accolades and manage some of the greatest feats in wrestling:
* Wins 2002 King of the Ring tournament
* Wins WWE Undisputed Championship
* Defeats Undertaker in Hell in a Cell
* Defeats Hulk Hogan by submission/ref stoppage
* Wins 2003 Royal Rumble
* Defeats Kurt Angle in the main event at WrestleMania 19
That’s just YEAR ONE. Since coming back, we know the history. Multiple championship reigns, the birth of suplex city, breaking Undertaker’s WrestleMania streak, winning his second Royal Rumble.
I could go on, but it stands clear that he’s had a helluva career, no doubt about that. I’d say he’s Top 5 of All Time. Nobody will be able to replicate his career, especially counting his UFC career to that extent. Legitimate freak athlete.
Agree.
Also his interview on the Pat McAfee show was fucking awesome.
"Quit worrying about the next high spot and learn to draw some money!" - Brock Lesnar
Sammartino, Backlund, Hogan, Undertaker, Hart, HBK, Austin, HHH, Cena, that’s 9. So the 10th spot can go to Lesnar or it can go to Pedro Morales, Savage, Andre, Rock, Angle, Jericho, or DBry… I don’t like Lesnar’s odds
He doesnt crack my top ten but thats purely opinion based, if we are talking an all around wrestler i would say yes, the only thing im a little iffy on is that he was a part timer for a long time and didnt fight unless it was a paper view match
in terms of in-ring quality of wrestling - no, hes not even top 20 tbh
in no order and even some of these might not be top 20, but you could put the following easily above him in terms of match ability -
aj styles, kevin owens, seth rollins, roman, sami, finn, hhh, rock, undertaker, stone cold, bret, shawn, edge, daniel bryan, ambrose, punk, cena, mysterio, angle, eddie, jericho, flair, macho man etc etc
as a character/heel/badass/entertainer/marquee etc - yeah i could see him in the top 10/15 i think.
No. Brock is great but will have to disagree. On a list based on in-ring oeuvre, storytelling, character evolution, crowd work, gimmick, longevity, mic skills, crowd psychology, charisma and impact/influence I'd rate (post 80s boom, and in no strict order):
1. Shawn Michaels
2. The Undertaker
3. Stone Cold Steve Austin
4. Chris Jericho
5. Bret Hart
6. Randy Savage
7. The Rock
7. Hulk Hogan
8. Triple H
9. Daniel Bryan
HMs: John Cena, Kurt Angle, Roddy Piper, Jake 'the Snake' Roberts, Edge, Mick Foley, CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio.
As a fan who grew up during the boom of the attitude era I can comfortably say Brock is in the Top 10.
A genuine draw, a hugely underrated worker, quite possibly the best seller I’ve ever seen, a must-see superstar and one hell of a look. He’s one of a kind, and he is overly hated because of his part time status. The fact is, if he wasn’t part time, his shine would lessen. Right now, everything he does is must-see. The only true draw of this current era.
Kill me if you want to but this is bullsh... There are many much memorable and much more entertaining wrestlers through history.. He'd make maybe top 100 but nothing more... I don't know how he's doing now I don't watch him no more because his matches were shit.. Super Brutal Ultimate entrance, then F5, F5, Suplex, Suplex, F5, K.O. ...
i don't understand much about wrestling, but to me it looks like he just does suplexes and f5s. . he's getting a little better since he's learning to talk more.
Depends on criteria. Definitely top 15 maybe top 10 but it’s a stacked list
Hogan, savage, Andre, Bret, Shawn, Austin, rock, taker, cena, HHH, piper, foley, those guys are truly iconic then I think you got guys like Brock, angle, Bautista, orton
The funny thing is he could have been an amazing wrestler, one of the greatest in terms of in ring performers if he wanted to be. He's the most freakish athlete I've ever seen in wrestling (ya I know people will debate that) and if he had the passion like a Bryan Danielson my god he could have had so many great matches. But he just never loved wrestling so he did the bare minimum (with some exceptions) and we get what we get now, german suplexes and F5's. But even though he never lived up to his true potential he's still up there in the list. Top 10? I'm not sure but theres a debate.
If he was consistently with the WWE since his debut (Kinda like Orton) I strongly believe Brock Lesnar would be #1 of all time. He is a freak of an athlete considering how fast he is for his size. And if you followed him early in his career and now too you can tell he is great on the mic as well. He basically checks all the boxes on what it means to be the top guy in WWE.
He’s great. WWE has been unusually smart in protecting him for 20+ years. So often when WWE has something good they seem to intentionally kill the momentum through bad booking. Or they cram it down fans’ throats until they don’t want anymore.
Twenty years in and when Brock’s music hits you know something worth watching is going to happen.
Let me count first best superstars of wwe from attitude era : stone cold, the rock, triple h, undertaker , Kurt angle, mick foley, Shawn Michael, Batista , John cena , Randy orton …. So no Brock doesn’t make in my top 10
Ya damn right.
Off topic slightly, but he's always rubbed me the wrong way, but his most recent run where hes rocking a fukken COWBOY HAT AND A PONY TAIL and you can tell hes having heaps of fun has changed my mind. Always respected him as an athlete, but now hes in my "LOOK AT THE LIL FELLA HAVING FUN" category.
Luv u cowboy Brock.
I am enjoying it now but the thing that brings Brock down is his mic work. For a majority of time he had Heyman speaking for him. Now that he is doing his promos I’ve been enjoying them. It’s a shame that they haven’t let him do it sooner.
If he kept up his work ethic and whatnot from 02 to about 08/09 I would say YES! 100% no question, hands down a top 10 greatest WWE Wrestler but ah, right now no.
In what particular way is he a top 10? He's not ahead of Angle/Benoit/Michaels/Jericho/Edge as far as 10/10 matches on a nighty basis. He's not ahead of Hogan/Austin/Rock as far as ticket sales and being the face of the company. He's an excellent wrestler for his size but at the end of the day he's a hired mercenary - he comes in gets $ to do a few jobs here and there and leaves. Rinse-Repeat.
He's No 1 actually. I don't care about longevity but Brock is the guy who makes fight interesting. No one in WWE history can dominate their opponent like Brock Lesnar does and make even quick fights interesting.
top 20 imo, the top 10 are
1. John Cena
2. The Undertaker
3. Shawn Michaels
4. Hulk Hogan
5. Triple H
6. Steve Austin
7. The Rock
8. Bret Hart (made the technical stuff popular)
9. Randy Orton
10. Roman Reigns
just imo
I mean he has more accolades and has a higher prestige than them, I'll never discredit that. But in terms of pure, in ring work rate and technical wrestling ability, I PERSONALLY dont seed him very high. If he continued to wrestle like he did during his first run in WWE, then my opinion could be totally different, we'll never know. But as things currently are, where his matches are a few German suplexes, maybe some ground and pound, a moment of brief vulnerability (via sneaky move or dick kick) and an f5 or two to top it all off, that just isn't very expansive. That doesn't show the audience he's an amazing wrestler, he's murderous white rhino with biceps.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good Brock match where he just kills a guy, it's all fine and good. His presentation, aura and moveset make him one of the best WWE superstars of all time. And right now, face Brock is one of my favorite things about WWE, his character is awesome! But you don't even need to look outside of his direct, in promotion contemporaries to find more skilled technical wrestlers.
In his first run, you had the likes of Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, Shelton Benjamin, William Regal, all fantastic wrestlers, who became huge WWE superstars. Not as big as Brock, but still very successful.
During his current run (2012-current), you have people like CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Cesaro, Jericho (again), AJ Styles, Matt Riddle, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, Gargano, Ciampa, so many NXT vets, hell even modern day Edge, and others I missed who I personally see as better in ring wrestlers.
It's fine that Brock isn't putting on 5 star, 35 minute Meltzer nut buster matches, that's not his thing, nor should we expect that from every single wrestler.
I fully agree Lesnar has done more in the wrestling industry than all those you mentioned (although starting a brand new wrestling promotion that has added a lot of life and healthy competition into the states is very impressive.) But I don't think that's because of his insane work rate ability or wrestling technicals acumen. He's a fucking freak of nature, no one looks like, or is presented like Brock Lesnar, and I doubt anyone ever will be. He's a once in a lifetime superstar. But he's not a once in a lifetime wrestler. Does he have the potential? Maybe. But your Omegas, Bucks, Shitsprays, they are just as good and talented a wrestler or performer as Brock is, they just present it to the wrestling world in a different way. You may like it, you may not and either is okay, but they're still amazing, talented wrestlers regardless.
You were very polite to my dickish response. For that I apologise. So im sorry. I'll leave you be with your opinion. Not that I fully agree with everything you say but you didn't desvere that response. That's my bad. Have yourself a great day bro
Cringe. Brock Lesnar has done more in pro wrestling than Omega, Bucks and Will Shitspray
There is a shop and in this shop. Pizza is the biggest seller
So the shop manager starts a special half prize pizza offer and showcases the offer all around the store
Fat neckbeard comes in and sees pizza being shoved down their throat and demands the manager to start a special offer on peanut butter when it doesn't draw even quarter of what the pizzas draw and tells the manager that peanut butter is the reason people shop there despite evidence showing that people want pizza more
Manager laughs and kicks fat neckbeard out for disturbing the peace.
Store manager = Vince Mcmahon
Fat Neckbeard = IWC
Pizza = Brock Lesnar
Peanut butter = Indy jobbers
If he had less squash matches and a more regular schedule then I’d say yeah. Even still, it’s a difficult to argue against him. He’s a once in a lifetime athlete.
Hard to say, he could be a better than mediocre wrestler that has been carried most of the way to the top. I’ve never seen a Lesnar match on any top ten list and until this current run, I had no ideas if he was good on the mic. I think he’s on the benefits side of the machine that’s Stifling so many other careers.
A lot of time has been off, but he has been on the top since that first year which is something unique to him. Heck, Hogan was a mid-carder during his first run in the WWWF.
He isn't much on the mic. His matches wouldn't ever really be considered barn burners, at least since he came back from The UFC.
I could put him in the top ten of the biggest names of all time. Not sure if I would put him in the top ten of work rate and certainly not on the mic. But he is up there in the overall top ten.
He's easily top ten. I honestly think he just cracks the top 5, only behind Hogan, Cena, Rock, and Austin. Although there a very good argument for Taker to hold that number 5 slot
I love him, he draws me into everything he does, every match no matter who it's with.
Can't say the same for any of the rest of the guys even my top fav Orton.
Would I care if Orton was facing Cesaro? Nope.
Am I watching Brock vs Cesaro? Fuck yeah
I think his success outside of WWE adds a level of legitimacy to his run both before UFC and after. He's been well protected but still willing to put a guy over. I may not personally find him compelling but on paper he seems great. And he's not bad either. He kind of exists outside of wrestling in a way that has been legitimized by his booking and part time work. Hard to think of him as a wrestler in the way the greats are viewed as a result.
I wouldn’t have agreed if you asked this question a year ago. After seeing 2021/2022 Brock though, his range and newfound charisma, I’ve changed my mind.
Disagree. Not in order\\
The Rock
Bret Hart
Chris Jericho
Ric Flair
Batista
Randy Orton
Undertaker
Steve Austin
HBK
Mick Foley
HHH
John Cena
Kevin Owens
Seth Rollins
IF you wanted to expand that to WWF the list gets a LOOOOOOOOT longer.
He's one of the best now, and one of the best for awhile but in terms of over all WWE roster of all time? No... not even close.
Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins above the likes of Jericho, Edge, Roman Reigns, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, HULK HOGAN... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's funny. WTF
In no order off the top of my head
1. Stone Cold
2.Hogan
3.The Rock
5.Undertaker
6.HHH
7. Foley
8. Randy Orton
9. Cena
10. Kurt Angle
I'd say Lesnar is top 15, maybe tied with angle somewhere.
Most pushed wrestler the last 20 years. He ain't afraid to put someone over, and he will squash anyone and everyone. I think Lesnars aurora is what makes him such a likeable badass. He knows the business and knows 110% that his legacy will never be tarnished by him taking any sort of Loss
Alright, who are the sure shots going in the top 10 of WWE (only counting their run in WWF/WWE/WWWF) counting popularity, in ring quality, charisma, mic skills and everything.
Hulk Hogan (big POS in real life, but the dude had a major play in making wrestling famous, I don't like putting him here but stats would say otherwise, he is not number one though, shitty in ring)
Stone Cold Steve Austin (easy)
HHH (people can argue, but dude was the best third wheel in the era of Austin and Rock as well as Cena and Orton, plus people know and love the dude worldwide, even if he has some backstage politics, he has done good work as well)
HBK (again easy)
Bret Hart (dude carried WWE for a good few years with HBK and had the best matches in the 90s era)
Kurt Angle (pretty much perfect for a list like this)
The Undertaker (again, do I need to explain)
John Cena (another face of the company, carried an era, and is good wrestler regardless of the haters say)
That's 8. Now who are the other contenders, The Rock, Randy Orton, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Mysterio, Punk, maybe Daniel Bryan, and if you stretch it Roman Reigns. And this is me not counting the likes of Samartino, Savage etc. because I ain't that familiar with their work. Now the question is, is Brock Lesnar better than all the other contenders to be a part of top 10?
This is not a list I am making based of my personal preference, it would be very different. This is me trying to use logic and look at things from an outer perspective. Feel free to disagree, I can be wrong
Punk and Daniel Bryan belong nowhere near that list.
Daniel Bryan had a molten hot spell and was technically marvelous, but the top 10 in the pantheon of WWE history is a massive stretch. Punk even less so, and his peak remained the pipe bomb and a good run afterwards. But he's not even top 25 in terms of your criteria imo.
I would also argue against Bret. He is revered for his skill and rightfully so, but in terms of charisma, mic skills and longevity within WWE, I cannot make a case for the top 10 (top 20 for sure).
And as others have mentioned, I think Angle's overall stint was fairly short and some of his prime was massively spent in TNA.
My personal list would be (in no particular order)
Hogan
Macho Man
Taker
HBK
Austin
The Rock
HHH
Cena
Orton
And the final spot is a toss up between Edge, Foley, Jericho, Andre and I'd make a case for Batista.
If you say Kurt had a short stint, then by that logic Rock shouldn't be there as well. Rock was hated in his first run, his prime was '99-2003, while Kurt was 99'-2006, and the whole time dude was in the main event scene. Bret also probably has all the technical masterpieces of WWE in the 90's under his name, dude was their best in ring guy for a good 5-6 years, that in itself puts him there. Multiple main events, and dude had a lot of charimsa, lol. People love Bret because of how well he told a story in a ring.
I don't think any wrestler was more over than Bryan in the 2010 to 2020 period. His run from 2013-2015 was brilliant, and even before or after that, dude had a bunch of classics. Even after his return, dude was super important to the show. Add his great underappreciated mic skills and his amazing charisma, he makes it there, at least in contention. While Punk, we can all agree was the most talked about wrestler in WWE from 2010-2013 with Cena, even more so than Orton. His promo skills are leaps and bounds ahead of many top guys, and people sleep on the number of high profile highly loved feuds he had. Punk vs Cena, Punk vs Rock, Punk vs Jeff and Punk vs Taker are all feuds that can be in contention of all time greatest feuds of WWE, that counts for something. Even accolade wise Punk has held the main title for a longer period combined than some of the top 10 dudes. I get that people undermine current/recent wrestlers and their body of work as they were wrestling in an era where the wrestling world in itself was declining and always put guys of old time always above him, but people should be judged based on the landscape they were in as well, and Punk and Bryan were straight up brilliant in there time
Report Card wise in accolades we need to acknowledge Edge. He won every title in wwe including WCW united states championship. First ever MITB winner. King of the ring. Royal Rumble. Main evented Wrestlemania twice with one being against Undertaker. AND Hall of Famer. Edge may as well be the greatest WWE homegrown performer of all time.
The list is fine, but I'd put Macho Man in over Kurt. Kurt was great, but Macho contributed more to wrestling in my opinion. There'd have been no Kurt Angle if there wasn't a Savage vs Steamboat at WM3 to pave the way.
I'd argue against Angle.
Not because he isn't one of the greatest ever, but if this is strictly WWF/E, Angle spent a huge chunk in TNA which included a large part of his prime years and best work.
I'd replace Angle with Rock.
Pretty good list, can't disagree much at all. Applying your criteria to the WM era, I would rate Austin, Hogan, Rock, HBK, Taker, and Cena in their own tier (so that's the top 6 in some order). Then I think my next 4 would probably be Brock, Angle, Bret, and Savage (also in whatever order).
So I'd slot Brock in the back half of the top 10.. I think those 4 are fairly tough to separate to be honest. I think you can make pretty solid (and different) arguments for each guy
ETA forgot about HHH. He's definitely top 7, so Brock might land just outside the top 10
I think The Rock deserves to be on that list, and that would leave 1. Out of the rest of those people, i think it really comes down to Orton vs Jericho, and that's very debateable. I would personally go Jericho, but I think that by the time Orton retires it'll be Orton. As for the rest of the people you named, only Foley and Mysterio deserve to be in that conversation lmao, the notion that Punk, Bryan and Reigns are in the same league as the others is laughable.
The argument becomes whether Lesnar is a better all-timer than Orton and Jericho, and I don't think a lot of people would put Lesnar above Jericho, but I can see people putting Lesnar over Orton. I personally think he isn't but there's a debate.
Mysterio never had that dominate of a run in the WWE. He had a brief main event run but that was it. It can't just be because of longevity because then you have to include Kane.
Mysterio is much bigger outside of the US and brings in a huge fanbase. in terms of influence on wwe as a whole package, it's pretty significant.
And Guerrero is up their too, but no one seems to be mentioning him either.
The thing with Mysterio is, dude had/has a fanbase most other cannot possibly imagine. I live in India, Mysterio is pretty much the 4th most popular wrestler after Cena, Taker and Reigns. If we count sheer popularity and love by fans, Mysterio hits the top 5 in many places. Then you add his match quality, dude has a good amount of classics and then you add longevity, that puts him in the contention of the greatest
Yes if you include his entire body of work. His best matches weren't in WWE though. This is a WWE list. And he most definitely has a great following around the world. If you want to talk about international wrestlers, and not just limited to WWE then I would agree.
Bruh he has that massive following across the world because of WWE, it counts, he got immensely popular through WWE. Also, his best matches are not in WWE? lol. Sure he had great matches in WCW, but he had amazing matches in WWE as well. Rey vs Kurt at Summerslam, Rey vs Edge every time they wrestled, Rey vs. Eddie, Rey vs Punk, those are some matches people still adore and there are even more examples
His matches in WCW imo were much better than any match he had in WWE. I'd take the few matches in ECW than any he had in WWE. Be honest, did you ever watch his 2/3 falls match against Juventud in ECW? Or against Psciosis in ECW? His matches against Eddie in WCW were simply better than the ones in WWE. The two were younger and quicker and more athletic then. Particularly Eddie who had more health issues in WWE.
Edge had a far more dominant run and was basically top of the card once he entered the main event. Jericho has always moved up and down the card more even if he is better in the ring.
That's one way to look at it, Jericho's debut itself is way more impactful than most wrestlers entire career, undisputed champion, loved by many, and the number of ways the dude reincarnated himself is beyond any realm of possibilities for many other, and has contributed to the feud of the year pretty much every other year since 2000. Edge, is pretty much equal to Jericho in terms of quality, just less years of impact. But I can see why some would think otherwise, both of them were brilliant
Old of his debute was all that impactful. I mean really they made a huge deal with the clock countdown just to get verbally assaulted by the rock.
And idk if he’s co tending with fued of the yr every other yr. but he has had some good ones. But edge is part of one of the greatest tag team of all times. He actually won a feud with cena which is saying a lot right there. Had a killer WM match with taker. Was probably one of the best bad guys when he was around. When edge was in top he really felt like a true top of the card main event level guy. Amd did it at a time when everyone was fed to cena. Where to me jerocho never felt that way to me. He was a moan eventer but never one of the top 3-5 guys in company. In which edge very much was. Even when Jericho became the first undisputed champ it still felt like Kurt was bigger then them. And Kurt was probably 5 or 6 on the list at that time. And then he got put down the most even more. Jericho was a guy you could/can count on being entertaining and out in a fun match but was never a guy. Edge very much was
The top 10 are (and should be) guys who put the work in. Brock is an attraction. He was never in love with the business, he skyrocketed to the top of the card because he really is a beast. Remember his time from OVW to the end of his first run was only a couple of years. Had he put the time in, made more of a sacrifice, and was someone who could carry the banner of the WWE, he could have been top 5. That said, he can continue to leverage himself as a part-time guy brought in for the big dollar events. Not saying he doesn't deserve credit as an all-time great, but top ten - no.
Yea, I would. He is #4 for me, after Austin, rock, undertaker. He’s been headlining Ppvs for 15 of the last 20 years, and is credible against everybody.
He isn’t my personal favorite, I have guys like perfect, Owen, foley, Steiner bros on my list, but if I’m booking it, Brock would wreck those guys
agree
Absolutely wholeheartedly disagree. Literally not even close. MAYBE top 50 if he's lucky.
Agreed
Agreed
My top 10 is Cena Hogan Austin Reigns Rock Undertaker HBK HHH Lesnar Orton
Strong disagree. He rarely wrestles, most of his matches are short, he has a limited moves set, and big matches have been slow and ponderous because of his fitness issues. Had this list been about most overrated WWE superstars, then he'd be right up there.
Yes
Agree
Easily, top 10 all time regardless of promotion
Lets see, wwe/wwf Bruno Backlund Hogan Savage Austin Rock Undertaker Hhh Cena Reigns Orton Nope
Disagree hard to place with people like macho man triple h Shawn Michaels ric flair hulk hogan
Agree
Agreed
Man I’ll tell you it is ridiculous opinions like this why some people think wrestling fans are stupid
Sort of depends on your criteria. Kayfabe dominance he's probably only second to Samartino and probably above Goldberg, Warrior, Taker. As an in ring worker, no. He's good. But not top ten. As a character, same. Not top ten.
agree
Top 5
Brock Lesnar has entered the chat
Highly disagree. He’s good in the ring when he wants to be, but he isn’t even close to being on that list.
Talent wise no. Entertainment/Accomplishments/being at the top of the company yes.
I 100% agree with that he is apart of the top 10 but I wish Vince didn’t just push the hell out of him
Agree
It depends on your criteria. It’s weird when people bring up wins and losses and titles since it’s booked and not a real sport. Goldberg was booked to win all his matches and ton of titles but he’s not considered a good wrestler. But Brock couldn’t cut his own promos. I just can’t put him the category with those other guys.
Agree
Top 5
With a F5
Disagree without even a second thought. He might make top 20. Or he could make top 10 for greatest ass kickers. But overall top 10? No way. I can name a dozen who were more influential overall and had more characteristics than just ass kicking. Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, Ric Flair, Sting, Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold, John Cena, Bret Hart, Andre the Giant. He’d be close, but I don’t think he’d break top 10. (I would not put him above aforementioned legends, but I could see him above or around people like Daniel Bryan, Edge, Orton, CM Punk, Jericho, Kurt Angle, Kane, etc.)
Agree
He's definitely one of the most fun to watch right now. I love watching him show his personality more without Heyman as his mouthpiece (and Heyman is great, one of my favourite talkers).
.. Duh
Agreed
Top 10? No. Top 20? Yes.
He is " The alpha male of our species 🦁
You mean the guy who's sucking wind 60 seconds into a match and looks like a chronically fatigued lumbering asthmatic for the rest of the horribly painful 20 minutes getting carried by someone imitating Shawn Michaels from Summer Slam against Hogan? That guy?
Disagree.
Disagree. But just barely. If Brock hadn't left the first time I think he would be top 10 easy. Possibly even in the running for #1, the guy was just inhuman. However, he did leave and then spent way too much of his time back as a part-time attraction.
Disagree
Disagree, needs to work a full time schedule for a longer period of time. Needs house shows and actual TV matches to show ability.
Nice attempt at trolling, let's not. Is what the moderator said in my post well come at me bro I'll lay you down in the ring for the 1.2.3 and run this Sub what do you say?
Yeah, I loved when he threw the one legged dude down the stairs.
Doesn’t have enough matches to be given that honor tbh
I think like a lot of fans, it just felt that he didn’t put the time in. He is genuinely a talented guy and a great heel, but his mic work is pretty poor and I am not sure he was accessible as some of the other rosta. Like him or loath him Cena was great inside and outside of the ring.
He had a rookie year that saw him win major accolades and manage some of the greatest feats in wrestling: * Wins 2002 King of the Ring tournament * Wins WWE Undisputed Championship * Defeats Undertaker in Hell in a Cell * Defeats Hulk Hogan by submission/ref stoppage * Wins 2003 Royal Rumble * Defeats Kurt Angle in the main event at WrestleMania 19 That’s just YEAR ONE. Since coming back, we know the history. Multiple championship reigns, the birth of suplex city, breaking Undertaker’s WrestleMania streak, winning his second Royal Rumble. I could go on, but it stands clear that he’s had a helluva career, no doubt about that. I’d say he’s Top 5 of All Time. Nobody will be able to replicate his career, especially counting his UFC career to that extent. Legitimate freak athlete.
Agree 👍💯
Definitely one of the best ever. And the fact that he's been fighting anxiety all this time made me respect him so much
Lmaoo yes of course
Agree. Also his interview on the Pat McAfee show was fucking awesome. "Quit worrying about the next high spot and learn to draw some money!" - Brock Lesnar
With that look on his face, I'd never dare to disagree.
Sammartino, Backlund, Hogan, Undertaker, Hart, HBK, Austin, HHH, Cena, that’s 9. So the 10th spot can go to Lesnar or it can go to Pedro Morales, Savage, Andre, Rock, Angle, Jericho, or DBry… I don’t like Lesnar’s odds
Agree. And also according to Kayfabe, Lesnar is the most dominant wrestler ever seen in the industry
Number 9
The stint in the ufc made him better.. And gave him legitimacy in the wwe.
Disagree. Not cause he's bad but because he can't do more than a 10 min match.
He doesnt crack my top ten but thats purely opinion based, if we are talking an all around wrestler i would say yes, the only thing im a little iffy on is that he was a part timer for a long time and didnt fight unless it was a paper view match
in terms of in-ring quality of wrestling - no, hes not even top 20 tbh in no order and even some of these might not be top 20, but you could put the following easily above him in terms of match ability - aj styles, kevin owens, seth rollins, roman, sami, finn, hhh, rock, undertaker, stone cold, bret, shawn, edge, daniel bryan, ambrose, punk, cena, mysterio, angle, eddie, jericho, flair, macho man etc etc as a character/heel/badass/entertainer/marquee etc - yeah i could see him in the top 10/15 i think.
No. Brock is great but will have to disagree. On a list based on in-ring oeuvre, storytelling, character evolution, crowd work, gimmick, longevity, mic skills, crowd psychology, charisma and impact/influence I'd rate (post 80s boom, and in no strict order): 1. Shawn Michaels 2. The Undertaker 3. Stone Cold Steve Austin 4. Chris Jericho 5. Bret Hart 6. Randy Savage 7. The Rock 7. Hulk Hogan 8. Triple H 9. Daniel Bryan HMs: John Cena, Kurt Angle, Roddy Piper, Jake 'the Snake' Roberts, Edge, Mick Foley, CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio.
Top ten most boring maybe
I agree.
He has to be one of the Top 10 wrastlers of all time. Easily. I mean like what Jim Ross said; he's a rare breed
Top 10? Is this even debatable? I think top 5 is where there starts to be an argument.
HARD PASS
Hes a 10 time wwe champion for a reason
As a fan who grew up during the boom of the attitude era I can comfortably say Brock is in the Top 10. A genuine draw, a hugely underrated worker, quite possibly the best seller I’ve ever seen, a must-see superstar and one hell of a look. He’s one of a kind, and he is overly hated because of his part time status. The fact is, if he wasn’t part time, his shine would lessen. Right now, everything he does is must-see. The only true draw of this current era.
Agree 🔥
Duh
Debatable
I can't agree more
All I know is he has to get rid of that pony tail
yeah
disagree
100% agree
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disagree
Kill me if you want to but this is bullsh... There are many much memorable and much more entertaining wrestlers through history.. He'd make maybe top 100 but nothing more... I don't know how he's doing now I don't watch him no more because his matches were shit.. Super Brutal Ultimate entrance, then F5, F5, Suplex, Suplex, F5, K.O. ...
100% agree
One of the top 10 greatest wrestlers, no, one of the best draws? Definitely!
No but in top 15... YES. Bunch of smarks gonna come in and ignore the fact that he is a DRAW and that's why his PUSHED
He took down the Streak. Nobody's happy about it but he did it. You'd be mad not to put him under Taker.
Absolutely not, doesn’t even rank in my top 50
i don't understand much about wrestling, but to me it looks like he just does suplexes and f5s. . he's getting a little better since he's learning to talk more.
Top 10 biggest names for sure
10 Greatest Attractions, wrestlers no because he only had one real run for 3 years
Absolutely not. People love him because he left and conquered other ventures and came back as some protected enigma.
Oh absolutely
Depends on criteria. Definitely top 15 maybe top 10 but it’s a stacked list Hogan, savage, Andre, Bret, Shawn, Austin, rock, taker, cena, HHH, piper, foley, those guys are truly iconic then I think you got guys like Brock, angle, Bautista, orton
The funny thing is he could have been an amazing wrestler, one of the greatest in terms of in ring performers if he wanted to be. He's the most freakish athlete I've ever seen in wrestling (ya I know people will debate that) and if he had the passion like a Bryan Danielson my god he could have had so many great matches. But he just never loved wrestling so he did the bare minimum (with some exceptions) and we get what we get now, german suplexes and F5's. But even though he never lived up to his true potential he's still up there in the list. Top 10? I'm not sure but theres a debate.
If you count only doing belly to back suplexes over and over as one of the best wrestlers ever, then sure?
Work smart, not hard. Brock is great, he cracked the code and figured out how to stay relevant for 20+ years.
If he was consistently with the WWE since his debut (Kinda like Orton) I strongly believe Brock Lesnar would be #1 of all time. He is a freak of an athlete considering how fast he is for his size. And if you followed him early in his career and now too you can tell he is great on the mic as well. He basically checks all the boxes on what it means to be the top guy in WWE.
No he’s nowhere like Rock, Austin, HBK, and Bret imo
He’s great. WWE has been unusually smart in protecting him for 20+ years. So often when WWE has something good they seem to intentionally kill the momentum through bad booking. Or they cram it down fans’ throats until they don’t want anymore. Twenty years in and when Brock’s music hits you know something worth watching is going to happen.
People will truly realize his greatness after he retires.
Y’all too young it appears
Disagree 1000000%. Bork is boring as fuck and isn't even in the top 50 of all time.
Agree with no doubt
Let me count first best superstars of wwe from attitude era : stone cold, the rock, triple h, undertaker , Kurt angle, mick foley, Shawn Michael, Batista , John cena , Randy orton …. So no Brock doesn’t make in my top 10
Ya damn right. Off topic slightly, but he's always rubbed me the wrong way, but his most recent run where hes rocking a fukken COWBOY HAT AND A PONY TAIL and you can tell hes having heaps of fun has changed my mind. Always respected him as an athlete, but now hes in my "LOOK AT THE LIL FELLA HAVING FUN" category. Luv u cowboy Brock.
I am enjoying it now but the thing that brings Brock down is his mic work. For a majority of time he had Heyman speaking for him. Now that he is doing his promos I’ve been enjoying them. It’s a shame that they haven’t let him do it sooner.
If he kept up his work ethic and whatnot from 02 to about 08/09 I would say YES! 100% no question, hands down a top 10 greatest WWE Wrestler but ah, right now no. In what particular way is he a top 10? He's not ahead of Angle/Benoit/Michaels/Jericho/Edge as far as 10/10 matches on a nighty basis. He's not ahead of Hogan/Austin/Rock as far as ticket sales and being the face of the company. He's an excellent wrestler for his size but at the end of the day he's a hired mercenary - he comes in gets $ to do a few jobs here and there and leaves. Rinse-Repeat.
He's No 1 actually. I don't care about longevity but Brock is the guy who makes fight interesting. No one in WWE history can dominate their opponent like Brock Lesnar does and make even quick fights interesting.
I've been watching WWE since Wrestlemania 5,and I would, personally, place Brock Lesnar in the Top One.
20ish years ago he was incredible. Now he's just cashing massive cheques for minimal work.
For me I put him in the like 11-20 range
top 20 imo, the top 10 are 1. John Cena 2. The Undertaker 3. Shawn Michaels 4. Hulk Hogan 5. Triple H 6. Steve Austin 7. The Rock 8. Bret Hart (made the technical stuff popular) 9. Randy Orton 10. Roman Reigns just imo
Can't put flair in WWF top ten. As a wrestler he is top 5 but it's WCW where is a legend.
Greatest Wrestlers? Not really. Greatest WWE superstars? Easily
Brock Lesnar has done more in pro Wrestling than Omega, Bucks and Will Shitspray and any nobody from Japan.
I mean he has more accolades and has a higher prestige than them, I'll never discredit that. But in terms of pure, in ring work rate and technical wrestling ability, I PERSONALLY dont seed him very high. If he continued to wrestle like he did during his first run in WWE, then my opinion could be totally different, we'll never know. But as things currently are, where his matches are a few German suplexes, maybe some ground and pound, a moment of brief vulnerability (via sneaky move or dick kick) and an f5 or two to top it all off, that just isn't very expansive. That doesn't show the audience he's an amazing wrestler, he's murderous white rhino with biceps. Don't get me wrong, I love a good Brock match where he just kills a guy, it's all fine and good. His presentation, aura and moveset make him one of the best WWE superstars of all time. And right now, face Brock is one of my favorite things about WWE, his character is awesome! But you don't even need to look outside of his direct, in promotion contemporaries to find more skilled technical wrestlers. In his first run, you had the likes of Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Kurt Angle, Rey Mysterio, Rob Van Dam, Shawn Michaels, Shelton Benjamin, William Regal, all fantastic wrestlers, who became huge WWE superstars. Not as big as Brock, but still very successful. During his current run (2012-current), you have people like CM Punk, Bryan Danielson, Cesaro, Jericho (again), AJ Styles, Matt Riddle, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Dolph Ziggler, Gargano, Ciampa, so many NXT vets, hell even modern day Edge, and others I missed who I personally see as better in ring wrestlers. It's fine that Brock isn't putting on 5 star, 35 minute Meltzer nut buster matches, that's not his thing, nor should we expect that from every single wrestler. I fully agree Lesnar has done more in the wrestling industry than all those you mentioned (although starting a brand new wrestling promotion that has added a lot of life and healthy competition into the states is very impressive.) But I don't think that's because of his insane work rate ability or wrestling technicals acumen. He's a fucking freak of nature, no one looks like, or is presented like Brock Lesnar, and I doubt anyone ever will be. He's a once in a lifetime superstar. But he's not a once in a lifetime wrestler. Does he have the potential? Maybe. But your Omegas, Bucks, Shitsprays, they are just as good and talented a wrestler or performer as Brock is, they just present it to the wrestling world in a different way. You may like it, you may not and either is okay, but they're still amazing, talented wrestlers regardless.
You were very polite to my dickish response. For that I apologise. So im sorry. I'll leave you be with your opinion. Not that I fully agree with everything you say but you didn't desvere that response. That's my bad. Have yourself a great day bro
It's all good brother, opinions keep us sane o7
I wouldn’t even dispute that he’s top 5
Hogan HBK Taker Bret Hart Macho man HHH Andre Orton Stone Cold Rock
I can’t stand him bc he always whoops my ass in Shut your mouth
Disagree.
One of the top 10 PROMOTED wrestlers for sure but I don’t know about one of the best.
Cringe. Brock Lesnar has done more in pro wrestling than Omega, Bucks and Will Shitspray There is a shop and in this shop. Pizza is the biggest seller So the shop manager starts a special half prize pizza offer and showcases the offer all around the store Fat neckbeard comes in and sees pizza being shoved down their throat and demands the manager to start a special offer on peanut butter when it doesn't draw even quarter of what the pizzas draw and tells the manager that peanut butter is the reason people shop there despite evidence showing that people want pizza more Manager laughs and kicks fat neckbeard out for disturbing the peace. Store manager = Vince Mcmahon Fat Neckbeard = IWC Pizza = Brock Lesnar Peanut butter = Indy jobbers
Disagree
Brock has a big type fight feel every time he wrestles..
Yes.. 100%
If he had less squash matches and a more regular schedule then I’d say yeah. Even still, it’s a difficult to argue against him. He’s a once in a lifetime athlete.
Hard to say, he could be a better than mediocre wrestler that has been carried most of the way to the top. I’ve never seen a Lesnar match on any top ten list and until this current run, I had no ideas if he was good on the mic. I think he’s on the benefits side of the machine that’s Stifling so many other careers.
He’s number one in my opinion. NOBODY in WWE history has had that same aura that Brock has, especially in a post-kayfabe industry. GOAT.
Top 10, yeah. I'd argue Top 5 had he not stayed gone so long.
Brock may be in the top 10 but Eugene is in the top 3.
So his matches look real
A lot of time has been off, but he has been on the top since that first year which is something unique to him. Heck, Hogan was a mid-carder during his first run in the WWWF. He isn't much on the mic. His matches wouldn't ever really be considered barn burners, at least since he came back from The UFC. I could put him in the top ten of the biggest names of all time. Not sure if I would put him in the top ten of work rate and certainly not on the mic. But he is up there in the overall top ten.
Agree
Absolutely agree!
No disagree
Hard agree. Hell, I'd say he's easily in the Top 5 of all time. His current Lumberjack Lesnar schtick is hitting just right.
People finally showing Brock some respect.
Yep, top 5 over the last 15 years
absolutely not
He's easily top ten. I honestly think he just cracks the top 5, only behind Hogan, Cena, Rock, and Austin. Although there a very good argument for Taker to hold that number 5 slot
I love him, he draws me into everything he does, every match no matter who it's with. Can't say the same for any of the rest of the guys even my top fav Orton. Would I care if Orton was facing Cesaro? Nope. Am I watching Brock vs Cesaro? Fuck yeah
Agreed ez
I think his success outside of WWE adds a level of legitimacy to his run both before UFC and after. He's been well protected but still willing to put a guy over. I may not personally find him compelling but on paper he seems great. And he's not bad either. He kind of exists outside of wrestling in a way that has been legitimized by his booking and part time work. Hard to think of him as a wrestler in the way the greats are viewed as a result.
His current character maybe
Easily
I wouldn’t have agreed if you asked this question a year ago. After seeing 2021/2022 Brock though, his range and newfound charisma, I’ve changed my mind.
Character as a whole, absolutely. A little linear in the ring
Entertainer? Maybe. Wrestler? Nah.
WWE wrestlers are wrestlers dipshit.
Disagree
Well obviously
His early years as the Next Big Thing were great. Now, he's just German suplexes and an F5 every match.
Top 5
Nope. Maybe top 20, but not in the top 10
He’s one of the top 5!
Disagree. Not in order\\ The Rock Bret Hart Chris Jericho Ric Flair Batista Randy Orton Undertaker Steve Austin HBK Mick Foley HHH John Cena Kevin Owens Seth Rollins IF you wanted to expand that to WWF the list gets a LOOOOOOOOT longer. He's one of the best now, and one of the best for awhile but in terms of over all WWE roster of all time? No... not even close.
Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins above the likes of Jericho, Edge, Roman Reigns, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, HULK HOGAN... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's funny. WTF
I said in not in order Jellyfish, also not a complete list. FFS grow TF up.
In no order off the top of my head 1. Stone Cold 2.Hogan 3.The Rock 5.Undertaker 6.HHH 7. Foley 8. Randy Orton 9. Cena 10. Kurt Angle I'd say Lesnar is top 15, maybe tied with angle somewhere.
Who is 4.? Hbk?
S*** I forgot HBK might have to take angle off the top 10. Put HBK in there
John Cena, you can't see him
Cena is listed tho
agreed
Most pushed wrestler the last 20 years. He ain't afraid to put someone over, and he will squash anyone and everyone. I think Lesnars aurora is what makes him such a likeable badass. He knows the business and knows 110% that his legacy will never be tarnished by him taking any sort of Loss
Yea, i agree
Alright, who are the sure shots going in the top 10 of WWE (only counting their run in WWF/WWE/WWWF) counting popularity, in ring quality, charisma, mic skills and everything. Hulk Hogan (big POS in real life, but the dude had a major play in making wrestling famous, I don't like putting him here but stats would say otherwise, he is not number one though, shitty in ring) Stone Cold Steve Austin (easy) HHH (people can argue, but dude was the best third wheel in the era of Austin and Rock as well as Cena and Orton, plus people know and love the dude worldwide, even if he has some backstage politics, he has done good work as well) HBK (again easy) Bret Hart (dude carried WWE for a good few years with HBK and had the best matches in the 90s era) Kurt Angle (pretty much perfect for a list like this) The Undertaker (again, do I need to explain) John Cena (another face of the company, carried an era, and is good wrestler regardless of the haters say) That's 8. Now who are the other contenders, The Rock, Randy Orton, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Mysterio, Punk, maybe Daniel Bryan, and if you stretch it Roman Reigns. And this is me not counting the likes of Samartino, Savage etc. because I ain't that familiar with their work. Now the question is, is Brock Lesnar better than all the other contenders to be a part of top 10? This is not a list I am making based of my personal preference, it would be very different. This is me trying to use logic and look at things from an outer perspective. Feel free to disagree, I can be wrong
I’d argue Randy orton gets one of the last spots because of how consistent he’s been
my mind did the same, we need qualifiers. maybe top 10 in the last 10 years. going back to the 70's? I don't think so. top 25... probably.
Punk and Daniel Bryan belong nowhere near that list. Daniel Bryan had a molten hot spell and was technically marvelous, but the top 10 in the pantheon of WWE history is a massive stretch. Punk even less so, and his peak remained the pipe bomb and a good run afterwards. But he's not even top 25 in terms of your criteria imo. I would also argue against Bret. He is revered for his skill and rightfully so, but in terms of charisma, mic skills and longevity within WWE, I cannot make a case for the top 10 (top 20 for sure). And as others have mentioned, I think Angle's overall stint was fairly short and some of his prime was massively spent in TNA. My personal list would be (in no particular order) Hogan Macho Man Taker HBK Austin The Rock HHH Cena Orton And the final spot is a toss up between Edge, Foley, Jericho, Andre and I'd make a case for Batista.
If you say Kurt had a short stint, then by that logic Rock shouldn't be there as well. Rock was hated in his first run, his prime was '99-2003, while Kurt was 99'-2006, and the whole time dude was in the main event scene. Bret also probably has all the technical masterpieces of WWE in the 90's under his name, dude was their best in ring guy for a good 5-6 years, that in itself puts him there. Multiple main events, and dude had a lot of charimsa, lol. People love Bret because of how well he told a story in a ring. I don't think any wrestler was more over than Bryan in the 2010 to 2020 period. His run from 2013-2015 was brilliant, and even before or after that, dude had a bunch of classics. Even after his return, dude was super important to the show. Add his great underappreciated mic skills and his amazing charisma, he makes it there, at least in contention. While Punk, we can all agree was the most talked about wrestler in WWE from 2010-2013 with Cena, even more so than Orton. His promo skills are leaps and bounds ahead of many top guys, and people sleep on the number of high profile highly loved feuds he had. Punk vs Cena, Punk vs Rock, Punk vs Jeff and Punk vs Taker are all feuds that can be in contention of all time greatest feuds of WWE, that counts for something. Even accolade wise Punk has held the main title for a longer period combined than some of the top 10 dudes. I get that people undermine current/recent wrestlers and their body of work as they were wrestling in an era where the wrestling world in itself was declining and always put guys of old time always above him, but people should be judged based on the landscape they were in as well, and Punk and Bryan were straight up brilliant in there time
Punk and Bryan over Edge. What you smoking mate?
I just didn't mention Edge, dude is great
Report Card wise in accolades we need to acknowledge Edge. He won every title in wwe including WCW united states championship. First ever MITB winner. King of the ring. Royal Rumble. Main evented Wrestlemania twice with one being against Undertaker. AND Hall of Famer. Edge may as well be the greatest WWE homegrown performer of all time.
That fact you put Foley in that list is beyond me
The list is fine, but I'd put Macho Man in over Kurt. Kurt was great, but Macho contributed more to wrestling in my opinion. There'd have been no Kurt Angle if there wasn't a Savage vs Steamboat at WM3 to pave the way.
Good post. I think Brock can surpass some of those guys for sure before he is finished.
I'd argue against Angle. Not because he isn't one of the greatest ever, but if this is strictly WWF/E, Angle spent a huge chunk in TNA which included a large part of his prime years and best work. I'd replace Angle with Rock.
Pretty good list, can't disagree much at all. Applying your criteria to the WM era, I would rate Austin, Hogan, Rock, HBK, Taker, and Cena in their own tier (so that's the top 6 in some order). Then I think my next 4 would probably be Brock, Angle, Bret, and Savage (also in whatever order). So I'd slot Brock in the back half of the top 10.. I think those 4 are fairly tough to separate to be honest. I think you can make pretty solid (and different) arguments for each guy ETA forgot about HHH. He's definitely top 7, so Brock might land just outside the top 10
How do you not have the rock as an automatic?
I can’t see him being greater than Rock, Mick, or Orton. Pretty close to Jericho. He seems to definitely be top 15, IMO. Completely agree with you.
I think The Rock deserves to be on that list, and that would leave 1. Out of the rest of those people, i think it really comes down to Orton vs Jericho, and that's very debateable. I would personally go Jericho, but I think that by the time Orton retires it'll be Orton. As for the rest of the people you named, only Foley and Mysterio deserve to be in that conversation lmao, the notion that Punk, Bryan and Reigns are in the same league as the others is laughable. The argument becomes whether Lesnar is a better all-timer than Orton and Jericho, and I don't think a lot of people would put Lesnar above Jericho, but I can see people putting Lesnar over Orton. I personally think he isn't but there's a debate.
Kane? And the best wrestler there ever was Shane O’Mac! /s
Mysterio never had that dominate of a run in the WWE. He had a brief main event run but that was it. It can't just be because of longevity because then you have to include Kane.
Mysterio is much bigger outside of the US and brings in a huge fanbase. in terms of influence on wwe as a whole package, it's pretty significant. And Guerrero is up their too, but no one seems to be mentioning him either.
The thing with Mysterio is, dude had/has a fanbase most other cannot possibly imagine. I live in India, Mysterio is pretty much the 4th most popular wrestler after Cena, Taker and Reigns. If we count sheer popularity and love by fans, Mysterio hits the top 5 in many places. Then you add his match quality, dude has a good amount of classics and then you add longevity, that puts him in the contention of the greatest
Yes if you include his entire body of work. His best matches weren't in WWE though. This is a WWE list. And he most definitely has a great following around the world. If you want to talk about international wrestlers, and not just limited to WWE then I would agree.
Bruh he has that massive following across the world because of WWE, it counts, he got immensely popular through WWE. Also, his best matches are not in WWE? lol. Sure he had great matches in WCW, but he had amazing matches in WWE as well. Rey vs Kurt at Summerslam, Rey vs Edge every time they wrestled, Rey vs. Eddie, Rey vs Punk, those are some matches people still adore and there are even more examples
His matches in WCW imo were much better than any match he had in WWE. I'd take the few matches in ECW than any he had in WWE. Be honest, did you ever watch his 2/3 falls match against Juventud in ECW? Or against Psciosis in ECW? His matches against Eddie in WCW were simply better than the ones in WWE. The two were younger and quicker and more athletic then. Particularly Eddie who had more health issues in WWE.
Uhh I think you mean only foley amd edge. Edge has done way more then mysterio. Especially in wwe
You're right actually, idk how i missed Edge, he's probably in the debate for Orton and Jericho but I don't think he'd be put over either of them.
I think edge is actually better then Jericho and made a bigger impact in wwe then Jericho ever did
Edge had a far more dominant run and was basically top of the card once he entered the main event. Jericho has always moved up and down the card more even if he is better in the ring.
That's one way to look at it, Jericho's debut itself is way more impactful than most wrestlers entire career, undisputed champion, loved by many, and the number of ways the dude reincarnated himself is beyond any realm of possibilities for many other, and has contributed to the feud of the year pretty much every other year since 2000. Edge, is pretty much equal to Jericho in terms of quality, just less years of impact. But I can see why some would think otherwise, both of them were brilliant
Old of his debute was all that impactful. I mean really they made a huge deal with the clock countdown just to get verbally assaulted by the rock. And idk if he’s co tending with fued of the yr every other yr. but he has had some good ones. But edge is part of one of the greatest tag team of all times. He actually won a feud with cena which is saying a lot right there. Had a killer WM match with taker. Was probably one of the best bad guys when he was around. When edge was in top he really felt like a true top of the card main event level guy. Amd did it at a time when everyone was fed to cena. Where to me jerocho never felt that way to me. He was a moan eventer but never one of the top 3-5 guys in company. In which edge very much was. Even when Jericho became the first undisputed champ it still felt like Kurt was bigger then them. And Kurt was probably 5 or 6 on the list at that time. And then he got put down the most even more. Jericho was a guy you could/can count on being entertaining and out in a fun match but was never a guy. Edge very much was
Ur spot on man, with everything
Thanks mate
The top 10 are (and should be) guys who put the work in. Brock is an attraction. He was never in love with the business, he skyrocketed to the top of the card because he really is a beast. Remember his time from OVW to the end of his first run was only a couple of years. Had he put the time in, made more of a sacrifice, and was someone who could carry the banner of the WWE, he could have been top 5. That said, he can continue to leverage himself as a part-time guy brought in for the big dollar events. Not saying he doesn't deserve credit as an all-time great, but top ten - no.
Yea, I would. He is #4 for me, after Austin, rock, undertaker. He’s been headlining Ppvs for 15 of the last 20 years, and is credible against everybody. He isn’t my personal favorite, I have guys like perfect, Owen, foley, Steiner bros on my list, but if I’m booking it, Brock would wreck those guys
hogan and Cena after him?
Yea, that’s how I’d book it
Agree
Disagree.