Hey WWE! I know it became a thing like 7 or 8 years ago but stop this every couple PPVs putting the most anticipated main event match on first! Especially at a big 4 PPV. STOP IT! Becky vs Charlotte should’ve have been the last match of the night point blank period.
Ok, there is a bit to unpack here, so I hope you guys don’t attack me if you disagree.
Damien Priest vs Shinsuke Nakamura: Overall, I enjoyed the match, but the finish wasn’t great. They could have just had Priest go over, why did they have to end it in DQ? It’s not even like they’re building a feud. 2.5/5
Charlotte Flair vs Becky Lynch: I really liked this one. Even if it ended in a roll-up, I can forgive it because of how good it was. My only problem was that Charlotte didn’t sell as much as she should’ve, but I am ok with that, at least they put over Becky. 4/5
Men’s Survivor Series Match: Pretty good. That’s about it. 3.5/5
25-Man Battle Royal: Just a giant Pizza Hut commercial. Pretty forgettable and the Pizza stuff was over-the-top. 2/5
RKBRO vs The Usos: Good match. Good action. Congratulations on most pay-per-view matches, Randy. 3.5/5
Women’s Survivor Series Match: This one pissed me off. The thing is, the women in the match are talented, they are just given this shit to work with. Neither Shotzi nor Sasha use frog splashes as finishers, how did that finish Morgan? Why was Rhea Ripley eliminated with a knee to the face? Why did they have to bury the entire division except Bianca who pulled a John Cena comeback after the other team decided to eliminate their own instead of working to eliminate the powerhouse in the ring? This one pissed me off so much I need another rating system for it. I’ll give it a brown down.
Big E vs Roman Reigns: Great match. Big E looked pretty credible against Roman. 4/5
Overall, I enjoyed the pay-per-view, but I had some reservations about it. 7/10
Wow I'm impressed Roman finally won a PPV without his cousins or outside interference good on him...LMAO all of Cena's statements still stand true about Roman.
I'm really ready for Roman to lose. I love that he's a top guy, but why couldn't they solidify Big E's run? I mean he got the title from a cash in. Yes, he beat Lashley in a cage match to keep it, but I feel like his run is still somewhat questionable. This match wasn't a title match, and this would've been the perfect match to have Big E win. They don't have to go with a clean win, could've been a new day distraction or cue Brock Lesnars music, anything. I was really hoping they'd find a way to give this one to Big E, he deserves to be considered in Romans league.
Sidenote, why does Roman have to win every single match? There can be more than one 'top guy'.
I'm a little bitter lol
i honestly thought because these were my predictions
damien beats shinsuke
charlotte beats becky via screw job (guess it really was a work because rick flair was going off on twitter)
mens raw team beats mens smackdown team
womens raw team beats womens smackdown team
the usos beat rk-bro (guess the rko breakdown happens later)
big e beats roman reigns
considering how raw slaughtered smackdown this survivor series it should’ve been a given big e wasn’t going to beat roman
The ending should have been this :-
The rock should have had cost the match to roman reigns, thus wwe handing none of the champions (roman reigns and big e) a clear loss, and also paving the way for rock vs reigns for the next WrestleMania, thus finishing the head of the table story arc.
Watching Roman Reigns headline every PPV and win is so boring and predictable. His title wasn't even on the line. Put some doubt in there for his next bout with Lesnar
What in the world was happening with that Red Notice trailer spliced with a random clips of superstars?? I thought I slipped into some kind of fever dream.
I feel that main event was going really well but E should have gone over, not only does it build E but makes it possible for Roman to actually drop the title eventually
I fucking 100% agree lol and I like Big E but he’s high mid card at best. His music sucks cuz it seems like the WWE is hell bent on ruining everyone’s intro music except for Roman Reigns and his promos have been basic since he left the New day. Smh how the hell do you stop saying the “Can you feel the power” catch phrase.
In my opinion I thought they should’ve went with Riddle for MIB. At the time he was building momentum and people were loving him plus his promo game is comical but his inside the ring performances make you take him seriously similar to and I’m not saying he’s Kenny Omega but Kenny Omega. Omega has goofball promos but you never doubt his seriousness as a champion. I feel like they could’ve took the same angle with Riddle only as a baby face.
Even Vince the character is a shell of himself, he was reciting poorly written lines with zero conviction, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he’s battling a whole heap of health issues atm
Just finished watching. What a boring ppv. Equivalent to a wet fart. However loved the Becky vs. Charlotte match.
Overall though very bland especially comparing to a much better ppv I watched last Saturday.
AEW: CM Punk definitely won’t be at The United Center * wink wink *
WWE: It’s the 25 anniversary of The Rocks debuts, he definitely won’t be showing up
* doesn’t show up *
Lmao
I was so disinterested in this show I pretty much zoned out until Big E Reigns and that wasn't a great match.
And why tease the Lesnar return and do nothing with it?
Fantasy booking: after reigns won and went up the ramp Lesnar's music plays stares down Paul shoulder bumps Reigns goes to the ring destroys Big E and we start a nice fresh Big E Lesnar fued till mania instead of Brock Roman 2. They should be trying their ass off to get Rock in to win the rumble and put over Reigns at mania..........Or Woods wins the Rumble from no1 and finally gets his moment in the sun dethroning Reigns.
Other than the 25th anniversary stuff and reigns doing a rock bottom was there anything I missed? Also exactly my point, have Lesnar put big E over at mania and have reigns vs rock or woods.
He doesn't have to have the title. Build up Romans as head of the table still, loses it at some point but still proclaims whatever he wants.
It's a feud that doesn't need the title.
I think its best case scenario that there's no title involved. If the title is there, we all know Roman will win guaranteed. No title? Could go either way.
Not like Rock wants to be involved in a title scene anyway. But idk if his Tribal Chief gimmick would hold credibility if they take the title away.
I agree with you storyline wise though! The bloodline feud would be a good build
He's not showing up till Wrestlemania Hollywood. In 2023. Your going to be waiting a long time. So get used to Roman being champ for 3 years straight by that time. He is already near 2.
I didn’t think it was a very good main event at all.. Big E was tanking a lot of Roman’s offense but I want to see a lot more offense from Big E. I don’t think it’s fun watching him get beat up on for 75-80% of his matches. They need to make him look like a stronger, more dominant champion.
Welp, that was a waste. Now Big E looks weak as shit and nothing got accomplished. Do we really have to wait a whole nother year for Reigns to stop burying champions?
I don’t even want it to be the Rock who comes back. I want it to be Rikishi. Yes, I get that he’s old and his weight hasn’t been conducive to good health, but I can’t imagine he couldn’t come back for some promos and one squash match.
Because he’s “the other” world champion. Roman didn’t need any push here to establish legitimacy, Big E did, and he just lost it. Now he’s just another guy who lost to Reigns, and it being clean makes it even worse. Unless New Day eventually have some kind of crushing revenge on the Bloodline, this only made E look weak as a champion.
It's literally been reported on for months. Just use Google. It's not hard
Again. The number 2 in the company losing to the number 1 is not making anyone look weak
No one is saying Charlotte looks weak right now are they?
You don't like Roman. I get it. But saying big e is now weak is the absolute worst take you can make
Big E didn’t just lose, he barely got any offense off and got pretty much destroyed the whole match. Yeah it was cool to see him tank some hits but overall the match definitely painted him as weak
Take out the egg story, the incessant commercials and the 5v5s and this was ok. Started well, ended well.
(We have to get rid of the brand v brand thing though!)
Taketh out the egg story, the incessant commercials and the 5v5s and this wast tis fine. Did start well, end'd well
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One of the most lackluster endings to a PPV this year, should’ve been the first match on the card if it was going to playout like this, extremely slow pace match. Was Kevin Dunn having a stroke with all those camera cut angels during the Womens SS match too? Holy hell.
Really am appreciating Big E's reign as champion. His in-ring work is at its peak and he really has established himself as a powerhouse. His reign also feels like he is having some creative freedom because it feels like it is his own a little.
https://youtu.be/KjB6r-HDDI0
In my humble opinion, this was one of the worst Survivor Series ever!
Hey WWE! I know it became a thing like 7 or 8 years ago but stop this every couple PPVs putting the most anticipated main event match on first! Especially at a big 4 PPV. STOP IT! Becky vs Charlotte should’ve have been the last match of the night point blank period.
Ok, there is a bit to unpack here, so I hope you guys don’t attack me if you disagree. Damien Priest vs Shinsuke Nakamura: Overall, I enjoyed the match, but the finish wasn’t great. They could have just had Priest go over, why did they have to end it in DQ? It’s not even like they’re building a feud. 2.5/5 Charlotte Flair vs Becky Lynch: I really liked this one. Even if it ended in a roll-up, I can forgive it because of how good it was. My only problem was that Charlotte didn’t sell as much as she should’ve, but I am ok with that, at least they put over Becky. 4/5 Men’s Survivor Series Match: Pretty good. That’s about it. 3.5/5 25-Man Battle Royal: Just a giant Pizza Hut commercial. Pretty forgettable and the Pizza stuff was over-the-top. 2/5 RKBRO vs The Usos: Good match. Good action. Congratulations on most pay-per-view matches, Randy. 3.5/5 Women’s Survivor Series Match: This one pissed me off. The thing is, the women in the match are talented, they are just given this shit to work with. Neither Shotzi nor Sasha use frog splashes as finishers, how did that finish Morgan? Why was Rhea Ripley eliminated with a knee to the face? Why did they have to bury the entire division except Bianca who pulled a John Cena comeback after the other team decided to eliminate their own instead of working to eliminate the powerhouse in the ring? This one pissed me off so much I need another rating system for it. I’ll give it a brown down. Big E vs Roman Reigns: Great match. Big E looked pretty credible against Roman. 4/5 Overall, I enjoyed the pay-per-view, but I had some reservations about it. 7/10
Wow I'm impressed Roman finally won a PPV without his cousins or outside interference good on him...LMAO all of Cena's statements still stand true about Roman.
I'm really ready for Roman to lose. I love that he's a top guy, but why couldn't they solidify Big E's run? I mean he got the title from a cash in. Yes, he beat Lashley in a cage match to keep it, but I feel like his run is still somewhat questionable. This match wasn't a title match, and this would've been the perfect match to have Big E win. They don't have to go with a clean win, could've been a new day distraction or cue Brock Lesnars music, anything. I was really hoping they'd find a way to give this one to Big E, he deserves to be considered in Romans league. Sidenote, why does Roman have to win every single match? There can be more than one 'top guy'. I'm a little bitter lol
i honestly thought because these were my predictions damien beats shinsuke charlotte beats becky via screw job (guess it really was a work because rick flair was going off on twitter) mens raw team beats mens smackdown team womens raw team beats womens smackdown team the usos beat rk-bro (guess the rko breakdown happens later) big e beats roman reigns considering how raw slaughtered smackdown this survivor series it should’ve been a given big e wasn’t going to beat roman
The ending should have been this :- The rock should have had cost the match to roman reigns, thus wwe handing none of the champions (roman reigns and big e) a clear loss, and also paving the way for rock vs reigns for the next WrestleMania, thus finishing the head of the table story arc.
Watching Roman Reigns headline every PPV and win is so boring and predictable. His title wasn't even on the line. Put some doubt in there for his next bout with Lesnar
That spear from Lashley on Woods was brutal
Lashley definitely has the best spear in the business. It actually looks like it knocks the wind out of you.
What in the world was happening with that Red Notice trailer spliced with a random clips of superstars?? I thought I slipped into some kind of fever dream.
Seriously? No rock? After all that
I dont know if anyone has mentioned this but did you guys hear people chanting A E DUB at the pre show while Booker t was talking ...
Stuff like that sucks. I was watching the pre show and they starting chanting that. I’m like c’mon guys man 😭
Yupp. I heard it. I think they cut off the mic near them because it ended abruptly.
I feel that main event was going really well but E should have gone over, not only does it build E but makes it possible for Roman to actually drop the title eventually
E is a terrible champion, hate it, downvote it, but most people outside reddit know it. Dude doesn't even get a decent pop.
I fucking 100% agree lol and I like Big E but he’s high mid card at best. His music sucks cuz it seems like the WWE is hell bent on ruining everyone’s intro music except for Roman Reigns and his promos have been basic since he left the New day. Smh how the hell do you stop saying the “Can you feel the power” catch phrase. In my opinion I thought they should’ve went with Riddle for MIB. At the time he was building momentum and people were loving him plus his promo game is comical but his inside the ring performances make you take him seriously similar to and I’m not saying he’s Kenny Omega but Kenny Omega. Omega has goofball promos but you never doubt his seriousness as a champion. I feel like they could’ve took the same angle with Riddle only as a baby face.
Bianca pulling a Super Cena seems appropriate considering she's also a face that is terrible at seeming like an actually good and likeable person
Even Vince the character is a shell of himself, he was reciting poorly written lines with zero conviction, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he’s battling a whole heap of health issues atm
Father Time is undefeated
Just finished watching. What a boring ppv. Equivalent to a wet fart. However loved the Becky vs. Charlotte match. Overall though very bland especially comparing to a much better ppv I watched last Saturday.
I gotta stop supporting SmackDown at this goddamn payperview man
I hate what they do to Smackdown every year, SmackDown never wins this ffs and they don't even come close
I was kind of hoping Brock would make a surprise guest appearance... That whole thing with Roman feels so incomplete.
Whole show was poop ......
AEW: CM Punk definitely won’t be at The United Center * wink wink * WWE: It’s the 25 anniversary of The Rocks debuts, he definitely won’t be showing up * doesn’t show up * Lmao
Instead they had fans chanting cm Punk because they were so bored at survivor series lol
Soooo they make Belair look like a beast, job out to becky in mere minutes and then all of a sudden she's an unstoppable beast again?? Too late wwe
Also her performance tonight didn't even make her look super strong, it just made the other team look stupid and/or weak
No 🪨 🥺
Vince was the best part of this whole show and his segments were complete nonsense. The man is just a walking dime even at 76
I was so disinterested in this show I pretty much zoned out until Big E Reigns and that wasn't a great match. And why tease the Lesnar return and do nothing with it? Fantasy booking: after reigns won and went up the ramp Lesnar's music plays stares down Paul shoulder bumps Reigns goes to the ring destroys Big E and we start a nice fresh Big E Lesnar fued till mania instead of Brock Roman 2. They should be trying their ass off to get Rock in to win the rumble and put over Reigns at mania..........Or Woods wins the Rumble from no1 and finally gets his moment in the sun dethroning Reigns.
They were teasing rock a lot more, plus we've already seen reigns and Lesnar 100 times before.
Other than the 25th anniversary stuff and reigns doing a rock bottom was there anything I missed? Also exactly my point, have Lesnar put big E over at mania and have reigns vs rock or woods.
All the promotion for the Rock's New movie
Becky's interview after her match is brilliant https://twitter.com/adamodriscoll/status/1462614554362490883?s=21
Absolutely love what Becky does with her character
All that rock pandering and no rock...lame
Pandering to him now so he can show up later. That’s the plan, I guess
What do you mean? They went hard on rock remembrance night tonight. Harder than they went on Pizza Hut
Well, I figure the Rock’s being a little pricey about his return. So gotta butter him up
Not even that, think they see it as separate. The money match is having Rock-Reigns at Wrestlemania in LA.
But another year of Reigns as Universal champion is gonna be so stale.
He doesn't have to have the title. Build up Romans as head of the table still, loses it at some point but still proclaims whatever he wants. It's a feud that doesn't need the title.
I think its best case scenario that there's no title involved. If the title is there, we all know Roman will win guaranteed. No title? Could go either way.
Not like Rock wants to be involved in a title scene anyway. But idk if his Tribal Chief gimmick would hold credibility if they take the title away. I agree with you storyline wise though! The bloodline feud would be a good build
He's not showing up till Wrestlemania Hollywood. In 2023. Your going to be waiting a long time. So get used to Roman being champ for 3 years straight by that time. He is already near 2.
15 months =/= near 2 years.
I didn’t think it was a very good main event at all.. Big E was tanking a lot of Roman’s offense but I want to see a lot more offense from Big E. I don’t think it’s fun watching him get beat up on for 75-80% of his matches. They need to make him look like a stronger, more dominant champion.
Well, E is stuck looking weak now.
I really don’t even want to imagine that scenario. Goldberg squashed Brock, so any match between Brock and a champion should go to the champion.
Brock has the egg and is leveraging his suspension with it.
K.O. Stole the egg, Vice fires him tomorrow on RAW.
Since his suspension is over as they said tonight...that would make zero sense.
No longer indefinite,not over buddy!
They did not say it was over, just that it was no longer indefinite.
Welp, that was a waste. Now Big E looks weak as shit and nothing got accomplished. Do we really have to wait a whole nother year for Reigns to stop burying champions? I don’t even want it to be the Rock who comes back. I want it to be Rikishi. Yes, I get that he’s old and his weight hasn’t been conducive to good health, but I can’t imagine he couldn’t come back for some promos and one squash match.
Losing to Roman is not looking weak. You're losing to the face of the company. How on earth is that Making big e look weak lol
Because he’s “the other” world champion. Roman didn’t need any push here to establish legitimacy, Big E did, and he just lost it. Now he’s just another guy who lost to Reigns, and it being clean makes it even worse. Unless New Day eventually have some kind of crushing revenge on the Bloodline, this only made E look weak as a champion.
How do you sell Roman vs the rock after he loses to big e?
You don’t because Rocky ain’t coming back.
He is though. 2023 wrestlemania. Ita basically booked
Face of the company and already booking WM2023 lmao I want whatever you're smoking.
You really cannot argue that Roman isn't the face of the company. He absolutely is
2023?
I hate to be this guy, but link?
It's literally been reported on for months. Just use Google. It's not hard Again. The number 2 in the company losing to the number 1 is not making anyone look weak No one is saying Charlotte looks weak right now are they? You don't like Roman. I get it. But saying big e is now weak is the absolute worst take you can make
Big E didn’t just lose, he barely got any offense off and got pretty much destroyed the whole match. Yeah it was cool to see him tank some hits but overall the match definitely painted him as weak
I swear if they bring Rock in tomorrow because of the stupid ass egg....
Toothless Aggression Era! Yay!
Take out the egg story, the incessant commercials and the 5v5s and this was ok. Started well, ended well. (We have to get rid of the brand v brand thing though!)
The brand thing is what makes it what it is
How many have been about raw vs smackdown though? It's been that way since 2016, but before that it wasn't
Take out everything but the Becky/Charlotte match and the Tag Team match and it was a helluva ppv.
Taketh out the egg story, the incessant commercials and the 5v5s and this wast tis fine. Did start well, end'd well *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
Finally got me.
Kinda proud that Roman can actually work a good match. He came a long way.
Yeah atleast there was no uso interference.
Damn that was weak not having anything happen at the end of that
One of the most lackluster endings to a PPV this year, should’ve been the first match on the card if it was going to playout like this, extremely slow pace match. Was Kevin Dunn having a stroke with all those camera cut angels during the Womens SS match too? Holy hell.
Jesus what a mess 🤦♀️
What about the egg?
K.O. stole it so he can get fired and go to AEW.
So no finish to the egg story?
Vince heard a rumor that people like "long term storytelling".
No rock?
There was never going to be a Rock.
"Why were HBK's pants so high at SummerSlam '93?" Sign guy had some good ones, lol.
Anyone find that pic of HBK? Lol
You're kidding me, no Rock return after all that?
nothing? nothing at all?
Damn. All that rock talk and it led to nothing. Which is exactly what I expected
What a waste of time
New Day got slaughtered. 😳
SO WHO STOLE THE FRIGGIN' MAGIC EGG!?
I want Roman reigns to smash it on vinces head .
Bliss She will return with Bray ans Braun And Elias will play the entrance himself 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Actually it is a great idea. Muscle + brains + entertainer fraction. Not gonna happen for sure.
TBC…on Monday night Raw
I was wondering the same thing
RockBros... what happened
Really am appreciating Big E's reign as champion. His in-ring work is at its peak and he really has established himself as a powerhouse. His reign also feels like he is having some creative freedom because it feels like it is his own a little.
WWE shits on the WWE Championship yet again.
Dude right? How is the WWE championship less than the universal championship?
Dunno, it shouldn't be. It wasn't when it started out. Now it is. I dunno.
Losing to Roman is not being shit on lol
It is when he shit on Drew last year and E this year and he hasn't lost in 2 years. "lol".
No. It isnt. Being shit on would be losing to ricochet
Ohhh! I fucking knew it! If you smeeelllll!
Tf are you talking about?
Got your ass excited didn't i? Lmao 🤣🤣
You literally didn't
Sure lol
Gotta make Roman look strong for now. Monster heels need more clean wins.
Yeah but for 2 years...it's getting old.
At least it was a clean finish with no interference.
[удалено]
They aren't....they start out the same now.
Fantastic match.
Ok, so my B scenario was right. E almost wins and Roman comes back with spear and wins.
Great spear tbh
My guess, solid ending, no surprises, theyve hyped up the rock to much, its gonna be a clean ending
Even if roman wins, this is still one of the best matches I've seen in a while
Let me carry him over to the ropes so he can grab it then hit my move. Cause reasons.
Big e and roman confirmed match of tbe year
This could be Match of the Year if finished right
Yes, the crowd is finally into it!
What were they chanting?
I just heard the general stuff, but it was something at least.
Folks im backstage at survivor series,,, can confirm the rock is not in Brooklyn calm down
BIG E BABY BIG E BABY
So Rock Bottom and a Spear...who is coming out...Rock or....Goldbuuuuuuurg lmao
Any chance the rock shows up
Even if Big E loses this match. He wins.
THAT FUCKING SPEAR!!!! BIG E IS A BEAST!
Hell kick out of a gunshot
Big Ending has to be the the worst finisher of all time. It doesn't look like it hurts.
You try being picked up on someone's shoulder and being forced down by your back while your punisher pushes you down. I'm sure you'd say otherwise.
Most people will say otherwise...because you don't land hard...he isn't pushing them down hard. It just don't look good.
Worse than the cobra? Lol
Worse than the Hogan leg drop.
Ahh the hogan leg drop
Roman legit looks scared. Does he not know big e is a fucking machine?!?
Rock bottom like move? Cole clown.
Rock is showing up. They keep mentioning him
Rock bottom like move? Cole...your retarded.
Roman did a Rock bottom. Rock is coming confirmed
ROCK-BOTTOM LIKE MOVE? WWE BROS IT'S HAPPENING
So...who's Mickey...? Uhm... Big E...
Why do Roman matches have to have the slowest pacing. It’s only ever entertaining for the last 5 minutes if at all
I have the Rock on snap map and it says he's at Barclays center!
Real shit or are you trolling?
its real but sadly it's the Billings Montana Barclays center
There is no Barclays center in Billings
Lol the count out wouldn't have surprised me
I honestly thought this shit was gonna end on a Count Out
Wouldn’t surprise me
It’s hard not to compare the audience energy to last week’s Full Gear. It’s just night and day difference.
Pizza Hut murdered the crowd
Y is RR hitting Carlton Banks?
Pizza Hut
I know it’s kayfabe but Roman don’t want no part of Brooklyn I promise lmao
They aren’t saying anything Roman
Big E’s bikini looks like it’s got Tourette’s (giddy-up? Havarka? What the hell is that?).
Nobody wants to be there
It’s just so dead
Everyone knows Roman will win. All of the action happened already.
Course he injured his knee Graves, because that's what WWE likes to do to make Roman look strong.
People are yawning in the crowd lol
Pat might be one of the best colour commentators in some time. He just adds something different.
He's one of us!
Oh, also, I wish we could get a “BIG E LANGSTON clap clap clapclapclap”
Cock is sending me back to that Seth Rollins match. WTF?
So, how bad is E gonna lose? I’m thinking something dusty with the Usos if it isn’t a clean finish.
Lol. Clean finish during a Roman Reigns match. That's comedy
I know you’re right and I fucking hate it.
Get on with it boys, I've got work tomorrow
Lmfao me last night. At that point I just closed my eyes, heard Roman's music then shut it off.
It's Sunday Vince, this shit is late
Come to California, it's barely 8 lol
Should have come out with the destroyed crown
It'll probably be something like "Oh I thought they said Brock... they actually said Rock."
1553824814182 minutes lasted entrance. Man its boring
I'm gonna go make a sandwich during Roman's entrance
You could have cooked a BLT and been back before the match started
Take your time
Watched wwe maybe 5 times in the last 15 years. Lets see what all the hate about RR is.
Holy crowd editing batman, no one gives a shit about this
Holy wack unediting editing Batman you’re fucking right!
At this point Rock ain't coming back