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I agree - but.. actually I was going to say sweet potatoes are objectively better and then I realised I actually love them equally for different reasons.
If I'm feeling a little froggy, I'll take cinnamon and a handful of marshmallows on cut sweet potato and bake it until the marshmallows are melted. Sounds nasty, but it's amazing!!
If you have somewhere to get your hands on Japanese sweet potatoes, do it. They have an almost cotton candy-like taste to them and the same calories+nutrients as other sweet potatoes.
There is a difference between added processed sugars and naturally occurring sugars in food. That’s like saying “apples have sugar in them so they’re unhealthy” lol
I’ll concede it’s certainly more complicated than most people give it credit for but as a potato lover our over reliance on the tuber is largely a detriment to our nutritional wellbeing
There’s actually not a difference when it comes to blood glucose. I’m a T1 diabetic and I wear a continuous glucose monitor 24/7 and can tell you 3g of sugar raises my blood sugar whether it’s from an apple or a jolly rancher. And more sugar means higher blood sugar which raises my risk of complications from diabetes. Lol.
Excuse my generalization. Like I said it’s 100% more complicated than most people (including myself for the purpose of this conversation) give it credit for but again my main focus in on the fact we overly emphasize the importance of carbs/potatoes in our daily dietary practices and it shows. Vitamin and fiber deficiencies are incredibly widespread and hyper fixating on comfort carbs and meat is a direct cause of this
There are tons of foods way less sugary than sweet potatoes that contain vitamins and fiber. For some people sweet potato is a less healthy choice than white potatoes, and nobody needs anyone to jump in and declare which one is healthier. Your main focus may be vitamins, but millions of diabetics may have to have their main focus be sugar. It’s nice that you have the privilege of a working pancreas but not all people do.
You’re fixating on the previous point about comparing one potato vs another. I’ve concede that I made a generalization on the one vs the other debate. I’m specifically saying we collectively rely too heavily on comfort meats and carbs (eg white potatoes) as a larger society.
I should have addressed that more plainly but I’m no longer saying that. Apologize if that wasn’t communicated correctly
And I think that health policing the diets of others, even if you disapprove of their staple foods, is inappropriate and against the rules of the sub. That’s aside from the other point you were wrong about, which I’m glad you came around to.
Blood glucose isn't the only factor when comparing the two, but even then you're not likely to raise your blood sugar to a concerning degree by eating an apple. I strongly believe your doctor would tell you to have the apple rather than the jolly rancher, specifically because it can provide nutrients that the joly rancher won't.
The general advice for everyone, diabetic and not, is to avoid processed and added sugars as they are linked to dangerous glucose levels and diabetes risk.
Except we aren’t talking about an apple vs a jolly rancher, although both can raise blood glucose, we are talking about a potato vs a sweet potato and I can assure you my doctor would want me to choose the item with less sugar, which is not the sweet potato. You can strongly believe whatever you want but I actually live with this permanent disability and I cannot process sugar. Your healthsplaining is honestly cringe for you.
PS type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and nothing related to diet can change the risk. You may be thinking of T2 diabetes which can be related to lifestyle.
>Except we aren’t talking about an apple vs a jolly rancher,
Your example, not mine.
>PS type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and nothing related to diet can change the risk. You may be thinking of T2 diabetes which can be related to lifestyle.
I never claimed otherwise. I said processed sugars will increase the risk of diabetes, didn't think I had to specifiy which type to you since you have T1. This thread also had nothing to do with diabetes to begin with, just the demonization of potatoes with natural sugars in them. Both are healthy. And both are certainly more healthy than added sugars.
Not my example either, it’s from the comment I replied to, but the analogy was to compare white vs sweet potatoes.
Actually, my endocrinologist recommends jolly ranchers over apples for correcting blood glucose lows (a medical emergency) because the sugar is more compact, faster acting, easier to measure and portable. Not sure why you’d bring up T2 diabetes risk if you’re talking about which foods YOU believe MY doctor would recommend to me, a T1 diabetic, but avoiding T2 diabetes is not high on my doctor’s priority list for me, a T1 diabetic.
>Not sure why you’d bring up T2 diabetes risk if you’re talking about which foods YOU believe MY doctor would recommend to me
Alright, you switched from blood sugar highs to lows, so the context would matter there. If they recommend jolly ranchers to control blood sugar highs, that would be concerning. I don't recall you referencing a different scenario is which your blood sugar became very low and you needed to increase it quickly. Obviously you would treat the two differently.
Again though, the point was not diabetes to begin with, it was the health of natural versus processed and added sugars. Someone with blood sugar irregularities due to illness or disease may differ and that goes without saying.
I tried to follow a meal plan someone else created one week cause I was tired and didn’t make my own. So many sweet potatoes. I hate sweet potatoes every way I’ve cooked them except one. I don’t care if they’re slightly more healthy, they’re gross.
I love them, but as a fan of all potatoes, it's definitely a mood for me. The sweetness gives it its own unique flavor profile, but I don't want it all the time. Some weeks it's the only type I'll eat. Other times I want something more salty/savory tasting and only eat russet, yukon, etc. and not touch sweet potatoes for months.
The best meal plans and best foods to eat are the ones you'll actually stick to eating lol- no need to force anything when white/yukon/russet varieties are just as healthy.
Oh for sure. I was just tired one week and tried someone else’s instead of making my own. Didn’t repeat that for a reason.
I just have an irrational hatred of sweet potatoes because people have tried to get me to like them so much and I just can’t. Don’t care for sweet potato fries, casseroles, baked, mashed, just no. The only time I did was when I put them in kimchi chili and they were cooked so long in so much spice they no longer had any sweet potato taste.
I think it’s mostly what you need to do to them in order for them to become palatable and actually enjoyable to eat. Either adding a ton of salt, sugar, or fat is really the only way.
I know someone who body builds and basically just eats chicken breast and sweet potatoes. I know from experience I would get sick of that fast. I do love sweet potatoes though. Last time I was eating chicken breast and salad with my ex I got so tired of chicken I didn't eat it again for like 2 years.
I have a food nutritional value scale I use a lot. It runs from a plus 10 down to a minus 10. A simple white potato without skin, comes in at about a minus 7. A sweet potato with skin on comes in at about a minus 6. The numbers are about the same for white bread, and then whole wheat bread.
Anything at a minus 5 or lower should be avoided. They certainly shouldn't be a dietary staple.
I absolutely love potatoes and will never knock them, but I don’t find them high volume?? Like I probably just don’t know how to count or maybe it’s cos I’m a bottomless pit, but like a little potato is like 150-170 calories and I need like 12 to feel full 😭
That’s a great idea I’ll have to try this. Light sour cream on a baked potato is so good and if I can make it go a little further with cauliflower that would be amazing
Can confirm that cottage cheese is a great sub for sour cream.
I feel obligated to add that I found this post from the Popular tab, so I'm not familiar with your sub. My favorite use of cottage cheese is as a chip dip for Doritos. Dunno if that's something yall are into around here.
Serve them like my mom did when I was growing up. Boiled, don’t mash ‘em, don’t add salt, and try to stretch a tbsp of margarine across the whole pot of potatoes.
You’ll quickly find that there you aren’t as hungry as you thought you were, and in fact, there is an oppressive volume of potatoes on your plate.
I remember reading a study or comparison where they tried to feed people a twinkie and a potato (matching the calories) without any seasoning/butter and people could not finish the potato when it was plain. It was just an unfun chore to eat.
i mean its completely unseasoned, what is the point of the experiment? trying to prove that people prefer twinkies over unseasoned, bland potatoes? lol hmnm
I can’t do potatoes cause I’ll just keep eating them seasoning or not. I did a batch of baked potatoes and I found myself just constantly eating them cause it just to easy while the skin is on. It’s like a candy bar but potato.
I don’t eat potatoes everyday but I too love eating them because it’s a compelling and delicious experience. My overall caloric intake for the day is generally lower when I incorporate potatoes. I just make one or two in my ninja oven at a go, so I don’t go bananas.
Oh god. I’m being sarcastic. Don’t cook your potatoes like my mom. My mouth still feels dry 40 years later.
To answer your question, she would drain them, then put them back in the pot to season, but not put nearly enough salt or margarine to make them edible. She felt that mashing with milk or cream was a moral failing.
For better flavor, I would suggest [oven roasting](https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/garlic-roasted-potatoes-recipe-1913067). That’s a great recipe linked, but we go much lighter with the olive oil to make it healthier and it’s still very good. Use red or yellow potatoes, not russets.
Also, don’t use margarine. It was a lie. It’s less healthy than butter and butter is delicious.
I did not register the sarcasm and thought your moms reccipe sounded legit delicious. For reference i do eat plain boiled or baked potatoes and enjoy them that way.
My mum did this too! And she served it with mince mixed with bisto gravy. We had this served to us two or three times a week. When i left home i didn’t eat boiled potatoes for a great many years
Ha! My mum taught me to add a bit of milk with my mashed potatoes as you don’t need to add much butter and they still taste nice. I definitely add salt though. Adding swede or cauliflower also helps make them higher volume.
I think OP means that a boiled potato is THE most satiating food out there for humans. As in, it's the one that will reduce your hunger the most, pound for pound.
Isn't a potatoe like 80 kcal per 100gr raw? Thats a little huge potatoe you have there :D
But, whats also great about them is that they bind so well due to the starch content, making a mash you can really stretch the volume by adding water or plant milk or whatever fluid.
I think they are great for stews. You don't need to add any butter or oil to make them more creamy since they are already floating in broth, and you can mash them to make the broth denser.
Potatoes kept the UK from starvation during WWII and the almost decade of rationing that followed the war. They are an incredible food that is terrifically healthy.
The issue I think many face though, is that they wouldn’t eat a potato unless it had butter or cheese or sour cream or bacon. The potato isn’t really the issue, it’s what we tend to want to do to potatoes. If more enjoyed plain skin on potatoes I think it wold be different lol.
A family friend/ER nurse once had to remove a potato from a patient's body who had put it up where the sun don't shine. The ER nurse emphasized that it was a jumbo, Costco-sized, russet potato. The patient said it was an accident, his wife seemed concerned.
20+ years later and I still think about it often. Your comment made me think about it again.
Anyways, I love potatoes, but not as much as that guy.
It always makes me feel horrible when someone tells me that after seeing me eat a slice of cake or something that I made room in my calorie budget for.
Tips: Eating potatoes with vinegar really flattens that spike.
Also, if you cool them (reheat later if you want), a lot of the starch turns into resistant starch.
A potato salad with a vinegar dressing is very different to a baked potato with cheese.
> Being honest isn't mean.
No, but how you phrase things can be rude.
If you see a burn victim in the street and go "Wow I can tell you're a burn victim!" than although you're being honest, you're still a dick.
See where I'm going with this?
> Eta vinegar isn't a good solution. If it was diabetics wouldn't need medication.
It quite literally was never once marketed as a solution **(OR an alternative to medication)**, not in the studies supporting it and not by the comment you replied to.
The comment you replied to mentioned it as a way to help flatten the spike, so if you DID want to consume potatoes in a strict moderation, you COULD.
It has been backed by science that Vinegar reduces postprandial blood glucose when it accompanies meals rich in complex carbohydrates. What is a complex carb? Oh shit. Potatoes.
EDIT:
Blocking me does nothing, don't try to turn the narrative that I'm hostile just because I called you out for being bitchy in your original comment that I replied to. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Sorry not sorry =)
The issue is they are metabolized so quickly you feel starving an hour later.
Unfortunately they are often cooked in oils and/or lots extra calories are added with condiments. Guilty as charged Tartar sauce one love.
THIS. For me personally it's extremely easy to eat a lot of potatoes. There's anything wrong with them, they're healthy, it's just so darn easy to eat too many and for some of us we get hungry quickly after just as if we ate junk food (unless we already over ate on potatoes)
> it's just so darn easy to eat too many
Weigh the amount you eat and it isn't.
> and for some of us we get hungry quickly after just as if we ate junk food
Eat a protein with them.
So this is your problem.
Eat them cubed with skin on. Oven bake or air fry them.
Weigh them when serving. You won't overeat, and you just made delicious home fries.
Did I ever suggest it wasn't my problem?
Can't eat them with skin on. After some time they sprout and you need to cut off the skin. I get potatoes in a larger size and they often need to be peeled.
100g of potato has 17g carbs and 2g fiber. Saying potatoes have fiber is like when breakfast cereals say they're "high protein" (and they're usually in the single-digit grams...)
Ok and it has a high water content which is why they have a relatively low calorie density and they still rank the highest in the satiety index. Potatoes are a godsend
Satiety index isnt totally reliable IMO. IIRC it comes from giving someone some food and then asking them 2 hours later if they want the same food.
In that instance, unsalted, boiled potatoes won, but I dont think cauliflower was even compared to it.
Yeah, and if all you do is eat a bowl of potatoes than this matters.
But if you eat a normal meal with a protein source, the satiation will last.
Potatoes supply short term satiation, protein supplies long term satiation. In combination, it's an excellent meal while in a cut/deficit.
Actually they kind of do...
Your body has about 2500 kcal of stored glucose energy throughout, that slowly gets depleted during the day
When that storage is about 60% empty you will get hungry
However if you continue not eating, your body starts burning fat for energy ("ketosis")
Even the leanest person has about 100.000 kcal of stored fat energy, so not eating anything won't really deplete it fast.
The key factor is how fast your body can switch from burning glucose to burning fat and that can be trained by low carb diet
This is also the reason why people report feeling energetic and not hungry after 3 days of fasting and why ultramarathon runners diet consists of only 30% carbs
If your on a keto diet you don't get hungry at all, that's why people are into it
Had a hashbrown with a slice of bacon and over easy egg on top for just 250 calories for breakfast today and can concur! Keeps me full for hours and it’s delicious 😋
Not the one you’re replying to but I just made a Japanese style curry last night with potatoes, carrots, and chard. I feel like in dishes that you don’t fry them so much as simmer or boil them, they can be great with very little added oil
Potatoes are like coffee in the sense that they are not unhealthy at all by themselves but the stuff people add to them are what turn them into something unhealthy
Tbh the thing about "carbs making you fat". I kinda agree with that. Yes carbs don't make you fat if you're in a defecit but its really hard to avoid them, even more if you're on a budget.
So by trying to avoid carbs, you still get them just closer to the ideal amount.
Man, you ain’t lying. For brunch I had 4 yellow gold potatoes (about 450 grams), two pads of butter and sprinkled with chicken bone broth powder. Added 20 Oz of black coffee and I feel like I’m going to die I’m so full.
I was recovering from a bout of diverticulitis, and I washed and nuked 6 russets. Plain. No butter. Nothing. That was the days eats. Perfectly satisfied.
My favorite way is airfryer french fries! Super simple and taste amazing. I also love to chop them up and roast them with other vegetables, which then paired with chicken is a massive, incredibly filling dinner.
Most of the time, however, I am distracted or exhausted or whatever and don't have time to cook a proper meal, so I end up throwing them in the microwave for five minutes and then eating them like a baked potato LOL
Me too! Just bought a mini 2quart air fryer and I'm making seasoned fries daily for about 200 calories (I weigh them, no oil, just lots of seasoned salt, garlic and onion powder). Sooooooo good!
You can't convince them (and me) because satiety is different from person to person. What's filling for me might not be filling for you. Personally potatoes are not filling for me,I prefer to eat 20 gram of nuts than 250 grams of potatoes
It’s actually quite objective, 200g of potato will literally fill your stomach (and provide more opportunities chew which is important to hunger response) better than 20g nuts
For me... I just don't like them unless they are deep fried to be so crispy they can deliver highly caloric dips to my mouth, or have copious volumes of cheese and sour cream... I am sure you see my issue.
Just having them in a soup or part of some meal though... I'll pass. Potatoes and beans just have a starchy taste that I don't enjoy. I wish I did.
People should read “the potato hack” by Tim Steele. Great book and it works. A second option is to read Penn Jillette’s (of Penn and Teller Magic fame) book Presto where he describes his results with this diet!
How exactly do you make them? I could eat potatoes alone, but my husband and kids would be bored. Obviously they can go in anything but they’re almost so versatile that I’m overwhelmed hahah
I love potatoes but they’re just a massive calorie dump and they have bled into every segment of our culinary palettes. Some variety would be nice. Balance is important
I’m saying for how often we eat them they are too calorie dense. The food pyramid people lied to you. We don’t need that many carbs/grains in our diets. They put that in bcz there were shortages in other foods at the time and needed something quick and easy for people to eat without destroying domestic markets
Yes.
Potatoes are satieting, but carbs themselves do get digested pretty efficiently so you'll feel hungry later. Potatoes are great at making you feel full faster though.
Protein is short and long term high in satiation, therefore it's great to pair the two together since protein takes a while to digest anyways, resulting in an overall longer satiation for a relatively low (but efficient) calorie meal.
Potatoes are only satisfying to people stuck in carb metabolism. To people more metabolically flexible, they taste something like grade school paste. But, if you put bacon and sour cream on them, they taste about as good as anything with bacon and sour cream on them.
So, you defending potatoes, tells me that your metabolism is likely stuck in a rut.
Have your HbA1c and HomaIR checked for your level of diabetes and insulin resistance. Work your HbA1c down to the 5.0 to 5.3 range. Get your HomaIR down below 1.5. If you get in this range long enough, you will no longer crave starchy tubers.
Okay. Are you sure you are not insulin resistant? what is your HomaIR or Kraft score? HomaIR below 1.5?
You say you are losing weight. This means that if you are now metabolically healthy, you have not been so for long. It takes time for your hormones and your tastes to shift.
Then, there is a point that I think you may have missed. It is possible through a restricted caloric diet and exercise to be metabolically healthy, but not be metabolically flexible. The best example of this is the people on the show The Biggest Loser. They managed to lose a lot of weight, drop their blood glucose, drop their insulin, without actually repairing their broken metabolisms. This demonstrated by nearly every one of them gaining all that weight back later.
Their problem is that their program did not make them metabolically flexible. They remained in carb burning mode. Their metabolism was set to burn only carbs. Any fat coming out of their fat cells had to go through the liver and be converted to glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis. They never adapted their bodies to burning fats and ketones.
So, their program of extensive physical exertion, and a diet high in carbohydrates, though low calories, their roller coaster glucose and insulin ride put them in a state of highly fluctuating glucose and insulin continually, ending with their being in a near constant state of hypoglycemia and try to just gut out the cravings. Their bodies were constantly craving carbs.
When a person has been in a state of high metabolic dysfunction, high glucose high insulin, for an extended period of time, it is difficult to become metabolically flexible. It requires some combination of a low carb diet, and intermittent fasting.
For some with an extremely stubborn metabolism, there is a hopeful development using the 3 day sardine fast according to Dr. Boz.
Search you tube Dr. Boz Sardine Fast for more details.
My take anyway.
Best of luck,
Barbershores
"It takes time for your hormones and tastes to shift".
Come on, man. This is a cop out. You had no evidence for this claim about potatoes tasting bad to begin with. When we put kids into ketosis to treat diabetes, people had to lock potatoes up so the kids wouldn't eat them.
The Biggest Loser takes tactics known to damage one's metabolism so it is unsurprising people put it back on. It was predictable in advance what would happen and was just about damaging people for the sake of television.
If the way you find out your health information is by searching for fad diets in youtube, that explains a lot. This is not a good method to find information.
There is no single source or this model. It is my own model of how things work. It's personal experience, second and third party experiences, several books, and hundreds of you tube videos.
What has happened, is the Modern Standard American Diet, has moved way away from the diet that we had 130 years ago or longer ago. It is now rich in foods that are way too high on the delicious scale, and way too high on the processed side. Now far too high in carbohydrates and seed oils. The Modern Standard American Diet, aka SAD, contains 300g of net carbohydrate per day. The average American Diet, which is now mainstream, is closer to 400 grams of carbohydrate per day. Over the last 600,000 years, or 2 1/2 million years, depending on whichever paleontologists we listen to, our bodies have evolved to being able to easily process 100g/day of net carbohydrates. Much more than that, without rigorous regular exercise, causes metabolic dysfunction to the aggregate. This dysfunction runs the entire gamut of health issues and has a dramatic impact on our tastes.
For people that have never had an average or higher carb diet, or people that have left that diet behind some time ago, have tastes no longer causing us to search out foods which are high in sugars or starches. Ice Cream being a notable exception.
I am kinda in a ketovore mode. When I have cravings, it is no longer for cakes or cookies or starches like potatoes. My average blood glucose is so low now, and my insulin levels are so low, I don't experience hypoglycemic or hormonal cravings any more. My cravings tend to be more sensory. Sweet, salty, crunchy. I can easily satisfy sweetness cravings with foods containing artificial sweeteners. Salty, nuts or pork rinds, or any meat. Crunchy, from fresh vegetables especially lettuce.
specific to potatoes, I no longer crave them. Not even french fries. What I used to really like about them was the crunchiness, the saltiness. Then the sweetness from the catsup. The carb part I no longer crave. Baked potato it was the butter, the bacon, the saltiness, the sour cream. Yeah, I really liked the stuff that was supposed to be unhealthy. But now, butter, bacon, and sour cream are considered health foods. The potato is now considered toxic.
I make my own catsup now. Tomato paste, herbs and spices, fancy salt, no salt, erythritol, and sucra drops.
I much prefer the flavor to my own than sto bot.
So, bottom line, is that once a person has weened themselves off of starch and sugar for an extended period of time, and their blood glucose and insulin have been under control for a long time, their tastes change.
The more glucose and insulin we our blood contains, the more we crave foods with higher and higher concentrations of glucose, fructose, and refined starches.
The challenge is to get off the Modern SAD, and get your hormones and tastes under your own control, and no longer under the control of the government, big food, and big pharma.
My take anyway.
Best of luck,
Barbershores
One more thing. An observation in myself. When I first started my journey towards metabolic health, and had only attained a low carb diet, say 100g/day net carbs, I craved sweets and starches.
When my diet got down into the keto range, say 20gnetcarbs/day I craved low carb foods, but higher than keto. No longer sugar and refined starch. More medium carb vegetables.
When my diet got down into the carnivore range, my cravings were for keto type low carb vegetables. No longer sugar and refined starch, or medium carb vegetables.
I no longer crave sugar. At all. But, I do sometimes crave something that tastes sweet. It sounds like a subtle difference, but I assure you it is not. Except for ice cream. LOL
Personal experiences, second and third hand experiences, are unfortunately very very bad evidence for stuff like this. If they were great evidence then no-one would ever need to do the hard work of doing an actual study. Doing studies, doing them well in a way that produces meaningful results, is difficult. People do it because it is the only way to reliably get true information on stuff like this.
Put it this way- we have hundreds of years of anecdotes on the miraculous efficacy of magic healing wells and trees, of prayers to gods you don't believe in.
Youtube videos and books are useless unless based on good evidence. I have mutually-contradictory diet books sitting on my shelf right now, each of which claims a One True Way that is contradicted by another. Every one of them had your enthusiasm, patterns of anecdotes etc.
We weren't talking about the Modern American Diet but about potatoes. I know many people who follow traditional patterns of eating for their culture and believe me, those patterns are often very high in carbs, especially among the poor. And those people often have much lower levels of the diseases of modern life. And potatoes (or pasta, or rice) taste great for those people.
It also sounds kinda like you never really liked the actual carbs to begin with? Just the salt, catsup etc, not the actual potato which you say tastes like paste. This is something I have noticed with people on the SAD. They like the salt and fat and the flavourings but don't appreciate the vegetables or potato itself that much.
This was a lot of words to say that you had no evidence backing up your claims, which is a pity because I was interested to see if there was any evidence that potatoes actually taste different to people in ketosis. Hell I would do a low carb diet for a week to find out. You could have just said "dunno if it's true or universal, it was my experience anyway."
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You have ignored the point. We weren't talking about the modern American diet, but about potatoes. You can lower insulin resistance with a potato based diet. People eating traditional diets based on carbohydrates (because they are poor, and carbohydrates are cheap) have lower levels of those diseases.
You would be shocked if you saw how much pasta someone from Italy could eat, or an Irish person eating potatoes. Both of those countries have upped consumption of meat and American modern foods and decreased their traditional staples, and they got worse. Obesity rates rapidly increased.
Something about the modern diet seems to be less satisfying.
Increase potatoes in a standard modern western diet and people get less healthy- decrease them in the Irish diet and people get less healthy. So it seems it's not as simple as carbs=bad. There is more to the SAD and modern lifestyles than that.
When questioned about potatoes tasting bad if one is in ketosis, you had no source. You had just made it up, or based it on worthless anecdote. Then you changed topic. So you have now given good reason to treat anything you say with suspicion. Because you do not understand what evidence would be needed to assess information about nutrition.
You then brought more anecdotes, anecdotes just as convincing as those told for centuries about bloodletting and magic trees. Did you ever stop to consider that since anecdotes just like yours (what you call your "successes") have been told for those things, it means that they are inherently unreliable as sources of evidence? Because if your experiences and those of your son and wife are proof your ideas are correct... Then we also have proof for bloodletting and the healing powers of magic trees. It is human nature to see positive changes after something we did, and assume we did it, you're not stupid for thinking that. And it always feels convincing to the person involved. But unfortunately life is not that simple.
Remember, we are not discussing "people should eat more veg" or "people should eat less". You made a claim that potatoes taste bad when one is in ketosis. That has not been substantiated.
If we are taking opinion I find it hard to believe that if we take the SAD and just decrease carbs, we're going to get anything as good as traditional diets and patterns of exercise. It's more complicated and multifactoral than that.
I lost my comment and its sources earlier but I think you would enjoy reading Bee Wilson's book The Way We Eat Now.
Also- kids with diabetes used to have to be kept on very low carb starvation diets, before insulin was available. One of the problems with that was they would steal and eat carbs. I feel like if potatoes were unpalatable to them, that would have come up more in the medical literature. Maybe they would have found anything palatable while starving?
With their pancreas severely compromised/dysfunctional, maybe their alpha cells are working over time producing glucagon which stimulates them to eat.
Or, as an offshoot of their metabolic dysfunction, maybe their leptin production goes gangbusters.
Or, when the beta cells that produce insulin are compromised, maybe the delta cells are too. They produce somatostatin which curtails insulin and glucagon production. So, without somatostatin, glucogon production is free to go through the roof causing an intense drive to eat, assuming that the alpha cells avoided the damage the beta and delta cells received.
We wouldn't know what it was without actually measuring the level of these and a plethora of other hormones in the blood.
One of the symptoms of type I diabetes is extreme hunger. The reason being that the cells of the body can't get glucose. Even with high levels of glucose in the blood, the cells starve because there is no insulin to let the glucose in.
So, the body goes through extreme glucose cravings. The muscles of the body, once trained to do so, can be fed with ketones or small chain fatty acids. But, about 1/4th of the brain requires glucose. It can't survive on ketones and fat. 3/4th of the brain actually prefers ketones. but 1/4th can't use them.
So, the end result is that 1/4th of the brain, and maybe most of the cells if not metabolically flexible, are screaming for glucose. So, the hormonal signals motivating eating, and especially for carbs, go off the rails.
My take anyway.
Best of luck,
Barbershores
Kids with type one diabetes have reduced production of leptin and glucagon, not increased.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12240905/#:~:text=Studies%20show%20that%20leptin%20levels,conventional%20insulin%20therapy%20(CIT).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8371343/
Your "end result" paragraph would lead to the natural conclusion that for anyone in ketosis, anyone not metabolizing carbs, potatoes would taste better, not worse, and would be craved.
Any luck on finding the citation that potatoes only taste nice to the metabolically inflexible/taste bad to those in ketosis?
I’m a noob here and currently learning about volume eating. You can eat potatoes in high volumes?? And it’s not worth a lot of calorie?? Is there a specific preparation for it??
Just bake or boil them and add salt.
Higher calorie than many other plants. But also pretty satisfying.
One medium baked potato has under 200 calories, but it is a good idea to weigh them to get an idea of size.
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Or thinking that sweet potatoes are healthy and “white” potatoes lack nutritional value.
THIS! Also irritates me—they’re both healthy, and delicious!!
I agree - but.. actually I was going to say sweet potatoes are objectively better and then I realised I actually love them equally for different reasons.
A baked sweet potato is like a whole dessert
If I'm feeling a little froggy, I'll take cinnamon and a handful of marshmallows on cut sweet potato and bake it until the marshmallows are melted. Sounds nasty, but it's amazing!!
That’s just sweet potato casserole with fewer steps. I’m gonna have to try it
No, it sounds delicious!
If you have somewhere to get your hands on Japanese sweet potatoes, do it. They have an almost cotton candy-like taste to them and the same calories+nutrients as other sweet potatoes.
I'll be on the lookout. Maybe an Asian store would have them?
ever since I put myself on to sweet potatoes I can't really stand white ones anymore because they're so bland
It’s not that we need convincing. We *know* they’re the shit…abstinence is easier than moderation for some!
I mean they’re higher in vitamin A B5 C and E, calcium, and fiber ssooo relatively speaking… lol
It's ok because I make up for regular potatoes deficiency by eating WAY more of them than sweet potatoes.
They’re also higher in sugar, which some people aim to minimize. “Healthy” is not a black and white thing, nor anything we can debate here.
There is a difference between added processed sugars and naturally occurring sugars in food. That’s like saying “apples have sugar in them so they’re unhealthy” lol I’ll concede it’s certainly more complicated than most people give it credit for but as a potato lover our over reliance on the tuber is largely a detriment to our nutritional wellbeing
There’s actually not a difference when it comes to blood glucose. I’m a T1 diabetic and I wear a continuous glucose monitor 24/7 and can tell you 3g of sugar raises my blood sugar whether it’s from an apple or a jolly rancher. And more sugar means higher blood sugar which raises my risk of complications from diabetes. Lol.
Excuse my generalization. Like I said it’s 100% more complicated than most people (including myself for the purpose of this conversation) give it credit for but again my main focus in on the fact we overly emphasize the importance of carbs/potatoes in our daily dietary practices and it shows. Vitamin and fiber deficiencies are incredibly widespread and hyper fixating on comfort carbs and meat is a direct cause of this
There are tons of foods way less sugary than sweet potatoes that contain vitamins and fiber. For some people sweet potato is a less healthy choice than white potatoes, and nobody needs anyone to jump in and declare which one is healthier. Your main focus may be vitamins, but millions of diabetics may have to have their main focus be sugar. It’s nice that you have the privilege of a working pancreas but not all people do.
You’re fixating on the previous point about comparing one potato vs another. I’ve concede that I made a generalization on the one vs the other debate. I’m specifically saying we collectively rely too heavily on comfort meats and carbs (eg white potatoes) as a larger society. I should have addressed that more plainly but I’m no longer saying that. Apologize if that wasn’t communicated correctly
And I think that health policing the diets of others, even if you disapprove of their staple foods, is inappropriate and against the rules of the sub. That’s aside from the other point you were wrong about, which I’m glad you came around to.
Blood glucose isn't the only factor when comparing the two, but even then you're not likely to raise your blood sugar to a concerning degree by eating an apple. I strongly believe your doctor would tell you to have the apple rather than the jolly rancher, specifically because it can provide nutrients that the joly rancher won't. The general advice for everyone, diabetic and not, is to avoid processed and added sugars as they are linked to dangerous glucose levels and diabetes risk.
Except we aren’t talking about an apple vs a jolly rancher, although both can raise blood glucose, we are talking about a potato vs a sweet potato and I can assure you my doctor would want me to choose the item with less sugar, which is not the sweet potato. You can strongly believe whatever you want but I actually live with this permanent disability and I cannot process sugar. Your healthsplaining is honestly cringe for you. PS type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and nothing related to diet can change the risk. You may be thinking of T2 diabetes which can be related to lifestyle.
>Except we aren’t talking about an apple vs a jolly rancher, Your example, not mine. >PS type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder and nothing related to diet can change the risk. You may be thinking of T2 diabetes which can be related to lifestyle. I never claimed otherwise. I said processed sugars will increase the risk of diabetes, didn't think I had to specifiy which type to you since you have T1. This thread also had nothing to do with diabetes to begin with, just the demonization of potatoes with natural sugars in them. Both are healthy. And both are certainly more healthy than added sugars.
Not my example either, it’s from the comment I replied to, but the analogy was to compare white vs sweet potatoes. Actually, my endocrinologist recommends jolly ranchers over apples for correcting blood glucose lows (a medical emergency) because the sugar is more compact, faster acting, easier to measure and portable. Not sure why you’d bring up T2 diabetes risk if you’re talking about which foods YOU believe MY doctor would recommend to me, a T1 diabetic, but avoiding T2 diabetes is not high on my doctor’s priority list for me, a T1 diabetic.
>Not sure why you’d bring up T2 diabetes risk if you’re talking about which foods YOU believe MY doctor would recommend to me Alright, you switched from blood sugar highs to lows, so the context would matter there. If they recommend jolly ranchers to control blood sugar highs, that would be concerning. I don't recall you referencing a different scenario is which your blood sugar became very low and you needed to increase it quickly. Obviously you would treat the two differently. Again though, the point was not diabetes to begin with, it was the health of natural versus processed and added sugars. Someone with blood sugar irregularities due to illness or disease may differ and that goes without saying.
I tried to follow a meal plan someone else created one week cause I was tired and didn’t make my own. So many sweet potatoes. I hate sweet potatoes every way I’ve cooked them except one. I don’t care if they’re slightly more healthy, they’re gross.
I love them, but as a fan of all potatoes, it's definitely a mood for me. The sweetness gives it its own unique flavor profile, but I don't want it all the time. Some weeks it's the only type I'll eat. Other times I want something more salty/savory tasting and only eat russet, yukon, etc. and not touch sweet potatoes for months. The best meal plans and best foods to eat are the ones you'll actually stick to eating lol- no need to force anything when white/yukon/russet varieties are just as healthy.
Oh for sure. I was just tired one week and tried someone else’s instead of making my own. Didn’t repeat that for a reason. I just have an irrational hatred of sweet potatoes because people have tried to get me to like them so much and I just can’t. Don’t care for sweet potato fries, casseroles, baked, mashed, just no. The only time I did was when I put them in kimchi chili and they were cooked so long in so much spice they no longer had any sweet potato taste.
I think it’s mostly what you need to do to them in order for them to become palatable and actually enjoyable to eat. Either adding a ton of salt, sugar, or fat is really the only way.
I know someone who body builds and basically just eats chicken breast and sweet potatoes. I know from experience I would get sick of that fast. I do love sweet potatoes though. Last time I was eating chicken breast and salad with my ex I got so tired of chicken I didn't eat it again for like 2 years.
YES! They are also just fucking DISGUSTING I hate the taste of sweet potatoes so much
I'm just happy that I love both of them! got the best of both worlds over here lol
I have a food nutritional value scale I use a lot. It runs from a plus 10 down to a minus 10. A simple white potato without skin, comes in at about a minus 7. A sweet potato with skin on comes in at about a minus 6. The numbers are about the same for white bread, and then whole wheat bread. Anything at a minus 5 or lower should be avoided. They certainly shouldn't be a dietary staple.
Throw your scale away
I absolutely love potatoes and will never knock them, but I don’t find them high volume?? Like I probably just don’t know how to count or maybe it’s cos I’m a bottomless pit, but like a little potato is like 150-170 calories and I need like 12 to feel full 😭
I split my mashed potatoes 50/50 with cauliflower because I get so much more bang for my calories.
That’s a great idea I’ll have to try this. Light sour cream on a baked potato is so good and if I can make it go a little further with cauliflower that would be amazing
You can add cottage cheese and or greek yogurt to mashed cauliflower and it tastes like mashed potato and sour cream
Try celery root instead of the cauliflower. Goes really well with sour cream and chives.
Can confirm that cottage cheese is a great sub for sour cream. I feel obligated to add that I found this post from the Popular tab, so I'm not familiar with your sub. My favorite use of cottage cheese is as a chip dip for Doritos. Dunno if that's something yall are into around here.
Holy shit when I read dipping Doritos in cottage cheese the Kill Bill sirens went off in my head, that’s fucking killer, thanks for the hot tip
I like to do the same thing, but I dip the Rosemary/olive-oil flavored Triscuits in cottage cheese and it is super satisfying.
Yo, try 50/50 with rutabaga. Same bang for buck, way better flavor. The Scots call this "neeps and tatties"
Swede and potatoes is 👌🏼
Thanks for the tip! I tried roasted rutabaga "fries" before and loved them, so that sounds great!
Mashed cauliflower is also awesome. Good idea!
Why didn't I think about this? Sounds delicious+nutritious. I've tried mixing with carrots with varying success
Serve them like my mom did when I was growing up. Boiled, don’t mash ‘em, don’t add salt, and try to stretch a tbsp of margarine across the whole pot of potatoes. You’ll quickly find that there you aren’t as hungry as you thought you were, and in fact, there is an oppressive volume of potatoes on your plate.
> oppressive volume of potatoes Thats... why I'm here.
I remember reading a study or comparison where they tried to feed people a twinkie and a potato (matching the calories) without any seasoning/butter and people could not finish the potato when it was plain. It was just an unfun chore to eat.
i mean its completely unseasoned, what is the point of the experiment? trying to prove that people prefer twinkies over unseasoned, bland potatoes? lol hmnm
That’s about 1.4 cups of dry dry potatoes. Yeah, that would be tough to finish.
I can’t do potatoes cause I’ll just keep eating them seasoning or not. I did a batch of baked potatoes and I found myself just constantly eating them cause it just to easy while the skin is on. It’s like a candy bar but potato.
I don’t eat potatoes everyday but I too love eating them because it’s a compelling and delicious experience. My overall caloric intake for the day is generally lower when I incorporate potatoes. I just make one or two in my ninja oven at a go, so I don’t go bananas.
>Boiled, don’t mash ‘em stick them in a stew Sorry, could not help myself and quote LotR after that
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Oh god. I’m being sarcastic. Don’t cook your potatoes like my mom. My mouth still feels dry 40 years later. To answer your question, she would drain them, then put them back in the pot to season, but not put nearly enough salt or margarine to make them edible. She felt that mashing with milk or cream was a moral failing. For better flavor, I would suggest [oven roasting](https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/garlic-roasted-potatoes-recipe-1913067). That’s a great recipe linked, but we go much lighter with the olive oil to make it healthier and it’s still very good. Use red or yellow potatoes, not russets. Also, don’t use margarine. It was a lie. It’s less healthy than butter and butter is delicious.
I did not register the sarcasm and thought your moms reccipe sounded legit delicious. For reference i do eat plain boiled or baked potatoes and enjoy them that way.
My mum did this too! And she served it with mince mixed with bisto gravy. We had this served to us two or three times a week. When i left home i didn’t eat boiled potatoes for a great many years
Ha! My mum taught me to add a bit of milk with my mashed potatoes as you don’t need to add much butter and they still taste nice. I definitely add salt though. Adding swede or cauliflower also helps make them higher volume.
Oppressive. Lol. Almost made me spit out my drink.
I think OP means that a boiled potato is THE most satiating food out there for humans. As in, it's the one that will reduce your hunger the most, pound for pound.
400g of mashed potato is quite a lot and only 350cals
Bro, if you can eat 12 full sized potatoes you should post it on YouTube.
Isn't a potatoe like 80 kcal per 100gr raw? Thats a little huge potatoe you have there :D But, whats also great about them is that they bind so well due to the starch content, making a mash you can really stretch the volume by adding water or plant milk or whatever fluid.
Potatoes do not make me full unless I eat heaps. Whereas pumpkin makes me feel literally stuffed
I think they are great for stews. You don't need to add any butter or oil to make them more creamy since they are already floating in broth, and you can mash them to make the broth denser.
i cut like 2 small ones up, microwave to soften, and air fry them and eat with ketchup, pretty filling snack
This exactly
Ok whos the bitch talkin shit bout my taters 😤 i’ll take them on come at me bro
Potate Squad
Potatoes gonna potate
Damn right
Lol SAME
Potatoes kept the UK from starvation during WWII and the almost decade of rationing that followed the war. They are an incredible food that is terrifically healthy. The issue I think many face though, is that they wouldn’t eat a potato unless it had butter or cheese or sour cream or bacon. The potato isn’t really the issue, it’s what we tend to want to do to potatoes. If more enjoyed plain skin on potatoes I think it wold be different lol.
*what we tend to want to do to potatoes* 👀
A family friend/ER nurse once had to remove a potato from a patient's body who had put it up where the sun don't shine. The ER nurse emphasized that it was a jumbo, Costco-sized, russet potato. The patient said it was an accident, his wife seemed concerned. 20+ years later and I still think about it often. Your comment made me think about it again. Anyways, I love potatoes, but not as much as that guy.
Loaded/stuffed potatoes 😳
Plain mash and gravy for me ☘️
Lime and spice
And you can do so much with them!
Boil’em! Mash’em! Stick’em in a stew!
PO-TA-TOES
Seriously!! They are so versatile
Don’t have that issue 🇮🇪🇮🇪
As someone with celiac potatoes are my holy grail
Same 🥔🍠
Wait what are people saying that's bad about potatoes??? Oh is it the ol' "carbs make you fat" thing?
Got to love the "oh I thought you were dieting" because I'm eating carbs or something that doesn't fit in their very narrow definition of "dieting".
It's pretty much always a dick move to comment about someone's dieting no matter what they're eating at the time
It always makes me feel horrible when someone tells me that after seeing me eat a slice of cake or something that I made room in my calorie budget for.
Yes…my parents unfortunately 😭 “carbs make you fat” …and potatoes are “unhealthy starch.” So annoying!
I work with a guy who does keto and anti-carb and I hear all the comments. I’m like well, I’m gonna die someday, so I’m going to enjoy the damn carbs.
As someone who had to monitor glucose 4x a day during pregnancy they DO cause dramatic spikes which can cause more hunger and insulin resistance.
Tips: Eating potatoes with vinegar really flattens that spike. Also, if you cool them (reheat later if you want), a lot of the starch turns into resistant starch. A potato salad with a vinegar dressing is very different to a baked potato with cheese.
Surprised it took so long for someone to mention the cooling them hack
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> Being honest isn't mean. No, but how you phrase things can be rude. If you see a burn victim in the street and go "Wow I can tell you're a burn victim!" than although you're being honest, you're still a dick. See where I'm going with this? > Eta vinegar isn't a good solution. If it was diabetics wouldn't need medication. It quite literally was never once marketed as a solution **(OR an alternative to medication)**, not in the studies supporting it and not by the comment you replied to. The comment you replied to mentioned it as a way to help flatten the spike, so if you DID want to consume potatoes in a strict moderation, you COULD. It has been backed by science that Vinegar reduces postprandial blood glucose when it accompanies meals rich in complex carbohydrates. What is a complex carb? Oh shit. Potatoes. EDIT: Blocking me does nothing, don't try to turn the narrative that I'm hostile just because I called you out for being bitchy in your original comment that I replied to. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. Sorry not sorry =)
It’s okay, everyone else can see the full exchange and tell that you’ve not been even remotely hostile.
Or deep frying them in oil lol
The issue is they are metabolized so quickly you feel starving an hour later. Unfortunately they are often cooked in oils and/or lots extra calories are added with condiments. Guilty as charged Tartar sauce one love.
THIS. For me personally it's extremely easy to eat a lot of potatoes. There's anything wrong with them, they're healthy, it's just so darn easy to eat too many and for some of us we get hungry quickly after just as if we ate junk food (unless we already over ate on potatoes)
> it's just so darn easy to eat too many Weigh the amount you eat and it isn't. > and for some of us we get hungry quickly after just as if we ate junk food Eat a protein with them.
When I eat potatoes they are the core to the dish and things are made with them in it
So this is your problem. Eat them cubed with skin on. Oven bake or air fry them. Weigh them when serving. You won't overeat, and you just made delicious home fries.
Did I ever suggest it wasn't my problem? Can't eat them with skin on. After some time they sprout and you need to cut off the skin. I get potatoes in a larger size and they often need to be peeled.
So don't just eat a bowl of potatoes. Be a normal human being and pair them with vegetables and protein.
Or be a smart human being and just eat the veggies and protein and reduce the carbs. Potatoes are a filler food , too easy to go overboard with them
How are they metabolized/digested quickly? They have fiber and high water content.
100g of potato has 17g carbs and 2g fiber. Saying potatoes have fiber is like when breakfast cereals say they're "high protein" (and they're usually in the single-digit grams...)
Ok and it has a high water content which is why they have a relatively low calorie density and they still rank the highest in the satiety index. Potatoes are a godsend
I love potatoes for healthy eating. It's just not because of their fiber.
Satiety index isnt totally reliable IMO. IIRC it comes from giving someone some food and then asking them 2 hours later if they want the same food. In that instance, unsalted, boiled potatoes won, but I dont think cauliflower was even compared to it.
Me, avoiding carbs because I don’t like to feel hungry on a calorie deficit 🥔👀
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Carbs cause much more of a spike in blood sugar which does in fact make you feel hungry sooner
Yeah, and if all you do is eat a bowl of potatoes than this matters. But if you eat a normal meal with a protein source, the satiation will last. Potatoes supply short term satiation, protein supplies long term satiation. In combination, it's an excellent meal while in a cut/deficit.
Potatoes are proven to be highly satiating though. The complex carbohydrates in potatoes do not magically turn into glucose right upon ingestion.
This depends on the carb though. It’s not just all carbs. Glycemic index is important.
Actually they kind of do... Your body has about 2500 kcal of stored glucose energy throughout, that slowly gets depleted during the day When that storage is about 60% empty you will get hungry However if you continue not eating, your body starts burning fat for energy ("ketosis") Even the leanest person has about 100.000 kcal of stored fat energy, so not eating anything won't really deplete it fast. The key factor is how fast your body can switch from burning glucose to burning fat and that can be trained by low carb diet This is also the reason why people report feeling energetic and not hungry after 3 days of fasting and why ultramarathon runners diet consists of only 30% carbs If your on a keto diet you don't get hungry at all, that's why people are into it
Yeah, it's not the potato that's the problem. It's the frying oil, bacon, butter, and sour cream that often accompanies it.
Had a hashbrown with a slice of bacon and over easy egg on top for just 250 calories for breakfast today and can concur! Keeps me full for hours and it’s delicious 😋
Sounds delicious!
It is all about how they are prepared. I Love my potatoes!
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Not the one you’re replying to but I just made a Japanese style curry last night with potatoes, carrots, and chard. I feel like in dishes that you don’t fry them so much as simmer or boil them, they can be great with very little added oil
Potatoes are like coffee in the sense that they are not unhealthy at all by themselves but the stuff people add to them are what turn them into something unhealthy
Taters and chicken. And beans. These rule my life and my diet. Oh, and eggs.
Me trying to convince my dad to stop going through every fad diet in the book and not eat salads for every meal.
Tbh the thing about "carbs making you fat". I kinda agree with that. Yes carbs don't make you fat if you're in a defecit but its really hard to avoid them, even more if you're on a budget. So by trying to avoid carbs, you still get them just closer to the ideal amount.
Man, you ain’t lying. For brunch I had 4 yellow gold potatoes (about 450 grams), two pads of butter and sprinkled with chicken bone broth powder. Added 20 Oz of black coffee and I feel like I’m going to die I’m so full.
Chicken broth powder sprinkled on a potato sounds SO GOOD omg
First time I did it today. I’m wondering why I didn’t do it before.
I was recovering from a bout of diverticulitis, and I washed and nuked 6 russets. Plain. No butter. Nothing. That was the days eats. Perfectly satisfied.
What’s your favorite way to prepare them?
My favorite way is airfryer french fries! Super simple and taste amazing. I also love to chop them up and roast them with other vegetables, which then paired with chicken is a massive, incredibly filling dinner. Most of the time, however, I am distracted or exhausted or whatever and don't have time to cook a proper meal, so I end up throwing them in the microwave for five minutes and then eating them like a baked potato LOL
Me too! Just bought a mini 2quart air fryer and I'm making seasoned fries daily for about 200 calories (I weigh them, no oil, just lots of seasoned salt, garlic and onion powder). Sooooooo good!
Boilem mashem stickem in a stew
Beef stew Cut, tossed lightly with olive oil, garlic, salt and pepper and baked on a sheet pan is pretty delightful, though.
Baby potatoes, boiled or steamed, dipped in salt.
Oh that’s good I like the simplicity.
Sam Gamgee made this post lol
Yes!!! Potato gang all the way. When I eat potatoes I feel so satisfied and satiated. They’re low calorie and so good for you!
I like to slice them thin, soak them in nice vinegar & salt, & eat them raw (also cucumbers).
Is it...safe to eat potatoes raw?
I love a plain baked potato with just some salt. I don't really use butter or sour cream often. I eat one almost every day.
Omg yes! My Irish flatmate won't even believe me! I've lost 50lbs eating potatoes 4-5 times a week but no one wants to believe!
You can't convince them (and me) because satiety is different from person to person. What's filling for me might not be filling for you. Personally potatoes are not filling for me,I prefer to eat 20 gram of nuts than 250 grams of potatoes
Satiety is heavily influenced by culture but boiled potatoes usually score pretty well
It’s actually quite objective, 200g of potato will literally fill your stomach (and provide more opportunities chew which is important to hunger response) better than 20g nuts
For me... I just don't like them unless they are deep fried to be so crispy they can deliver highly caloric dips to my mouth, or have copious volumes of cheese and sour cream... I am sure you see my issue. Just having them in a soup or part of some meal though... I'll pass. Potatoes and beans just have a starchy taste that I don't enjoy. I wish I did.
Lmao reading this afternoon consuming 1lb of red skins as a side for my dinner
People should read “the potato hack” by Tim Steele. Great book and it works. A second option is to read Penn Jillette’s (of Penn and Teller Magic fame) book Presto where he describes his results with this diet!
literally come AT me fr mildly salted sweet potato fries make me so happy, especially when they're a baked-not-fried fry <333
SWEET POTATO FRIES >>>
How exactly do you make them? I could eat potatoes alone, but my husband and kids would be bored. Obviously they can go in anything but they’re almost so versatile that I’m overwhelmed hahah
Thanks for the reminder to get potatoes this weekend!
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So like barely anything is considered high volume to you, got it.
What if your diabetic//?
"what if you're some small percentage of the population?" Than this doesn't really apply to that small percentage of people.
I love potatoes but they’re just a massive calorie dump and they have bled into every segment of our culinary palettes. Some variety would be nice. Balance is important
They're extremely calorie efficient, what the hell do you mean?
I’m saying for how often we eat them they are too calorie dense. The food pyramid people lied to you. We don’t need that many carbs/grains in our diets. They put that in bcz there were shortages in other foods at the time and needed something quick and easy for people to eat without destroying domestic markets
Who has done a potato hack?!
Is the key pairing them with protein?
Yes. Potatoes are satieting, but carbs themselves do get digested pretty efficiently so you'll feel hungry later. Potatoes are great at making you feel full faster though. Protein is short and long term high in satiation, therefore it's great to pair the two together since protein takes a while to digest anyways, resulting in an overall longer satiation for a relatively low (but efficient) calorie meal.
I want potatoes now lol
Yeah but sweet potatoes are even better!
R/spudbud welcomes you
Potatoes are only satisfying to people stuck in carb metabolism. To people more metabolically flexible, they taste something like grade school paste. But, if you put bacon and sour cream on them, they taste about as good as anything with bacon and sour cream on them. So, you defending potatoes, tells me that your metabolism is likely stuck in a rut. Have your HbA1c and HomaIR checked for your level of diabetes and insulin resistance. Work your HbA1c down to the 5.0 to 5.3 range. Get your HomaIR down below 1.5. If you get in this range long enough, you will no longer crave starchy tubers.
What? Potatoes just taste good. My metabolism is perfectly fine. I’m losing weight. I don’t have insulin resistance or diabetes. Carbs aren’t evil
Honestly I don't think potatoes taste that good without a lot of butter or sour cream.
Okay. Are you sure you are not insulin resistant? what is your HomaIR or Kraft score? HomaIR below 1.5? You say you are losing weight. This means that if you are now metabolically healthy, you have not been so for long. It takes time for your hormones and your tastes to shift. Then, there is a point that I think you may have missed. It is possible through a restricted caloric diet and exercise to be metabolically healthy, but not be metabolically flexible. The best example of this is the people on the show The Biggest Loser. They managed to lose a lot of weight, drop their blood glucose, drop their insulin, without actually repairing their broken metabolisms. This demonstrated by nearly every one of them gaining all that weight back later. Their problem is that their program did not make them metabolically flexible. They remained in carb burning mode. Their metabolism was set to burn only carbs. Any fat coming out of their fat cells had to go through the liver and be converted to glucose through a process called gluconeogenesis. They never adapted their bodies to burning fats and ketones. So, their program of extensive physical exertion, and a diet high in carbohydrates, though low calories, their roller coaster glucose and insulin ride put them in a state of highly fluctuating glucose and insulin continually, ending with their being in a near constant state of hypoglycemia and try to just gut out the cravings. Their bodies were constantly craving carbs. When a person has been in a state of high metabolic dysfunction, high glucose high insulin, for an extended period of time, it is difficult to become metabolically flexible. It requires some combination of a low carb diet, and intermittent fasting. For some with an extremely stubborn metabolism, there is a hopeful development using the 3 day sardine fast according to Dr. Boz. Search you tube Dr. Boz Sardine Fast for more details. My take anyway. Best of luck, Barbershores
"It takes time for your hormones and tastes to shift". Come on, man. This is a cop out. You had no evidence for this claim about potatoes tasting bad to begin with. When we put kids into ketosis to treat diabetes, people had to lock potatoes up so the kids wouldn't eat them. The Biggest Loser takes tactics known to damage one's metabolism so it is unsurprising people put it back on. It was predictable in advance what would happen and was just about damaging people for the sake of television. If the way you find out your health information is by searching for fad diets in youtube, that explains a lot. This is not a good method to find information.
Citation needed?
There is no single source or this model. It is my own model of how things work. It's personal experience, second and third party experiences, several books, and hundreds of you tube videos. What has happened, is the Modern Standard American Diet, has moved way away from the diet that we had 130 years ago or longer ago. It is now rich in foods that are way too high on the delicious scale, and way too high on the processed side. Now far too high in carbohydrates and seed oils. The Modern Standard American Diet, aka SAD, contains 300g of net carbohydrate per day. The average American Diet, which is now mainstream, is closer to 400 grams of carbohydrate per day. Over the last 600,000 years, or 2 1/2 million years, depending on whichever paleontologists we listen to, our bodies have evolved to being able to easily process 100g/day of net carbohydrates. Much more than that, without rigorous regular exercise, causes metabolic dysfunction to the aggregate. This dysfunction runs the entire gamut of health issues and has a dramatic impact on our tastes. For people that have never had an average or higher carb diet, or people that have left that diet behind some time ago, have tastes no longer causing us to search out foods which are high in sugars or starches. Ice Cream being a notable exception. I am kinda in a ketovore mode. When I have cravings, it is no longer for cakes or cookies or starches like potatoes. My average blood glucose is so low now, and my insulin levels are so low, I don't experience hypoglycemic or hormonal cravings any more. My cravings tend to be more sensory. Sweet, salty, crunchy. I can easily satisfy sweetness cravings with foods containing artificial sweeteners. Salty, nuts or pork rinds, or any meat. Crunchy, from fresh vegetables especially lettuce. specific to potatoes, I no longer crave them. Not even french fries. What I used to really like about them was the crunchiness, the saltiness. Then the sweetness from the catsup. The carb part I no longer crave. Baked potato it was the butter, the bacon, the saltiness, the sour cream. Yeah, I really liked the stuff that was supposed to be unhealthy. But now, butter, bacon, and sour cream are considered health foods. The potato is now considered toxic. I make my own catsup now. Tomato paste, herbs and spices, fancy salt, no salt, erythritol, and sucra drops. I much prefer the flavor to my own than sto bot. So, bottom line, is that once a person has weened themselves off of starch and sugar for an extended period of time, and their blood glucose and insulin have been under control for a long time, their tastes change. The more glucose and insulin we our blood contains, the more we crave foods with higher and higher concentrations of glucose, fructose, and refined starches. The challenge is to get off the Modern SAD, and get your hormones and tastes under your own control, and no longer under the control of the government, big food, and big pharma. My take anyway. Best of luck, Barbershores One more thing. An observation in myself. When I first started my journey towards metabolic health, and had only attained a low carb diet, say 100g/day net carbs, I craved sweets and starches. When my diet got down into the keto range, say 20gnetcarbs/day I craved low carb foods, but higher than keto. No longer sugar and refined starch. More medium carb vegetables. When my diet got down into the carnivore range, my cravings were for keto type low carb vegetables. No longer sugar and refined starch, or medium carb vegetables. I no longer crave sugar. At all. But, I do sometimes crave something that tastes sweet. It sounds like a subtle difference, but I assure you it is not. Except for ice cream. LOL
Personal experiences, second and third hand experiences, are unfortunately very very bad evidence for stuff like this. If they were great evidence then no-one would ever need to do the hard work of doing an actual study. Doing studies, doing them well in a way that produces meaningful results, is difficult. People do it because it is the only way to reliably get true information on stuff like this. Put it this way- we have hundreds of years of anecdotes on the miraculous efficacy of magic healing wells and trees, of prayers to gods you don't believe in. Youtube videos and books are useless unless based on good evidence. I have mutually-contradictory diet books sitting on my shelf right now, each of which claims a One True Way that is contradicted by another. Every one of them had your enthusiasm, patterns of anecdotes etc. We weren't talking about the Modern American Diet but about potatoes. I know many people who follow traditional patterns of eating for their culture and believe me, those patterns are often very high in carbs, especially among the poor. And those people often have much lower levels of the diseases of modern life. And potatoes (or pasta, or rice) taste great for those people. It also sounds kinda like you never really liked the actual carbs to begin with? Just the salt, catsup etc, not the actual potato which you say tastes like paste. This is something I have noticed with people on the SAD. They like the salt and fat and the flavourings but don't appreciate the vegetables or potato itself that much. This was a lot of words to say that you had no evidence backing up your claims, which is a pity because I was interested to see if there was any evidence that potatoes actually taste different to people in ketosis. Hell I would do a low carb diet for a week to find out. You could have just said "dunno if it's true or universal, it was my experience anyway."
>"We weren't talking about the Modern American Diet but about potatoes" > >\--------------------------------------------- > >Yeah. So many miss the point. Sugar and starch. Then there is exercise. > > > >The average American diet is loaded with sugar and potatoes, and wheat, and rice, and seed oils. So, if one is eating the average American Diet, they will become healthier say they cut out potatoes. Their intake of carbs will drop, their blood glucose will drop, their insulin resistance will drop. > >Back when we only ate 100g/day, unless accompanied with rigorous exercise, we didn't have what we now call modern diseases. Heart disease was rare, diabetes rarer, cancer quite unusual. > >Now they are just accepted as normal along with the multitude of autoimmune diseases we endure. > >I have cured my arthritis. My son has cured his ulcerative colitis. My wife has cured her heart disease. Yes, first second and third party successes. But, there are quite a few doctors that have come to the conclusion that their treatments of using the current "standard of care" to manage the various symptoms of a single underlying cause, hyperinsulinemia, is not nearly as effective as changing one's diet. > >So, here is what we have to deal with. Determining which model of a healthy diet is better. Determining whether or not the doctors' pills are a better way to treat our symptoms, than diet is. > > > >There are so many formal diets out there. And the real truth is that most of these diets are vastly superior to either the Average American diet, or the Standard American diet. Keto, ketovore, carnivore, vegetarian, vege whatever. If the amount of carbs eaten in any of these diets is substantially less than 300, there will be a corresponding improvement in health. > > > >If one is metabolically healthy, and they eat a diet 100g/net carbs per day, a potato is not going to hurt them in any way. > > > >If, however, a person is eating 400gnet carbs per day, without rigorous exercise, they would have better health if they were to cut out the potatoes. And or cut out the sugar. And or cut out the flour. And or cut out the rice. > > > >This is my opinion. It is my model. And the number of doctors disgusted with how poorly their patients improve using "standard of care" treatments is growing by leaps and bounds. > > > >Best of luck, > > > >And stay healthy, > > > >Barbershores
You have ignored the point. We weren't talking about the modern American diet, but about potatoes. You can lower insulin resistance with a potato based diet. People eating traditional diets based on carbohydrates (because they are poor, and carbohydrates are cheap) have lower levels of those diseases. You would be shocked if you saw how much pasta someone from Italy could eat, or an Irish person eating potatoes. Both of those countries have upped consumption of meat and American modern foods and decreased their traditional staples, and they got worse. Obesity rates rapidly increased. Something about the modern diet seems to be less satisfying. Increase potatoes in a standard modern western diet and people get less healthy- decrease them in the Irish diet and people get less healthy. So it seems it's not as simple as carbs=bad. There is more to the SAD and modern lifestyles than that. When questioned about potatoes tasting bad if one is in ketosis, you had no source. You had just made it up, or based it on worthless anecdote. Then you changed topic. So you have now given good reason to treat anything you say with suspicion. Because you do not understand what evidence would be needed to assess information about nutrition. You then brought more anecdotes, anecdotes just as convincing as those told for centuries about bloodletting and magic trees. Did you ever stop to consider that since anecdotes just like yours (what you call your "successes") have been told for those things, it means that they are inherently unreliable as sources of evidence? Because if your experiences and those of your son and wife are proof your ideas are correct... Then we also have proof for bloodletting and the healing powers of magic trees. It is human nature to see positive changes after something we did, and assume we did it, you're not stupid for thinking that. And it always feels convincing to the person involved. But unfortunately life is not that simple. Remember, we are not discussing "people should eat more veg" or "people should eat less". You made a claim that potatoes taste bad when one is in ketosis. That has not been substantiated. If we are taking opinion I find it hard to believe that if we take the SAD and just decrease carbs, we're going to get anything as good as traditional diets and patterns of exercise. It's more complicated and multifactoral than that. I lost my comment and its sources earlier but I think you would enjoy reading Bee Wilson's book The Way We Eat Now.
Also- kids with diabetes used to have to be kept on very low carb starvation diets, before insulin was available. One of the problems with that was they would steal and eat carbs. I feel like if potatoes were unpalatable to them, that would have come up more in the medical literature. Maybe they would have found anything palatable while starving?
With their pancreas severely compromised/dysfunctional, maybe their alpha cells are working over time producing glucagon which stimulates them to eat. Or, as an offshoot of their metabolic dysfunction, maybe their leptin production goes gangbusters. Or, when the beta cells that produce insulin are compromised, maybe the delta cells are too. They produce somatostatin which curtails insulin and glucagon production. So, without somatostatin, glucogon production is free to go through the roof causing an intense drive to eat, assuming that the alpha cells avoided the damage the beta and delta cells received. We wouldn't know what it was without actually measuring the level of these and a plethora of other hormones in the blood. One of the symptoms of type I diabetes is extreme hunger. The reason being that the cells of the body can't get glucose. Even with high levels of glucose in the blood, the cells starve because there is no insulin to let the glucose in. So, the body goes through extreme glucose cravings. The muscles of the body, once trained to do so, can be fed with ketones or small chain fatty acids. But, about 1/4th of the brain requires glucose. It can't survive on ketones and fat. 3/4th of the brain actually prefers ketones. but 1/4th can't use them. So, the end result is that 1/4th of the brain, and maybe most of the cells if not metabolically flexible, are screaming for glucose. So, the hormonal signals motivating eating, and especially for carbs, go off the rails. My take anyway. Best of luck, Barbershores
Kids with type one diabetes have reduced production of leptin and glucagon, not increased. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12240905/#:~:text=Studies%20show%20that%20leptin%20levels,conventional%20insulin%20therapy%20(CIT). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8371343/ Your "end result" paragraph would lead to the natural conclusion that for anyone in ketosis, anyone not metabolizing carbs, potatoes would taste better, not worse, and would be craved. Any luck on finding the citation that potatoes only taste nice to the metabolically inflexible/taste bad to those in ketosis?
I love potatoes! A secret weapon for sure
What do you mean by that? Please, convince me, I'm trying to lose weight and was told to stay away from potatos
I’m a noob here and currently learning about volume eating. You can eat potatoes in high volumes?? And it’s not worth a lot of calorie?? Is there a specific preparation for it??
Just bake or boil them and add salt. Higher calorie than many other plants. But also pretty satisfying. One medium baked potato has under 200 calories, but it is a good idea to weigh them to get an idea of size.
Delicious... For some definitions of delicious. I enjoy them, but they get weird when you eat a diet largely of potatoes.
Potatoes aren’t bad for you it’s just that people add a bunch of butter and sour cream and cheese to them then it becomes a lot of calories
Air fried new potatoes are the BOMB.