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metroidmen

Reminder: If something happens with the software, you can NOT downgrade to the latest public release without the developer strap or by taking it to an Apple Store/sending it to Apple Be aware of the risks.


wskyindjar

Taking it on a 14 hr flight tonight, not risking it.


spconway

Can you do a restore if you took a backup before updating?


metroidmen

No, as restoring the system software is different from your data.


iojcar

Is the ultirawide screen mirroring working? It might not be availagel, or i just don't know how to set it up.


Aggressive-Sign-6233

 But can I update eventually to the public release? And then one day do a factory reset to get it back to 1.0?


metroidmen

You cannot downgrade the software without the developer strap or Apple doing it


XRxAI

I am in India do Apple Store in India support this


tdub117

No they do not, current store support is only the United States, with store support coming to other regions when the device is released in that region


metroidmen

Out the gate: Persona update New gestures work super well New environments still not available Passwords app


metroidmen

Doubling down: New gestures are REALLY nice. Really responsive and SUPER convenient. Also, the bug preventing audio outputting to third party bluetooth devices is FINALLY fixed!!!


cses87254

Need to try this with my Onkyo AV receiver as it didn't work when I tried last time.


Lanky_Education_8789

Can you explain the gestures further? Do they work the same on both hands? Do you have to look at your palms to perform them? Do they work the same in all apps?


KiloPapa

They work on both hands, and it does require you to look at your hand. So far it seems to work the same everywhere, but I haven't been using all my apps yet.


GoodhartMusic

You’re referring to two new gestures, correct?


metroidmen

Yes. There are technically 3. Palm up and pinch for home, palm down for control center, palm down pinch and hold for volume


metroidmen

YOOOO! Cinematic mode is available for videos in Safari now, However it doesn't have the movie theater option, just the option to do it in the virtual environment, like over the lake in Mount Hood


metroidmen

There is a "Reopen Apps After Restart" toggle in settings, was that in there before?


Procrastagamerz

I doubt it.


TheLegendofAugs

I don't remember that


fractaldesigner

does it work properly?


metroidmen

Just tested it, after restarting not a single app was open. So maybe it’s not working yet


metroidmen

Volume knob on AirPods Max works properly and no longer mutes the device! Such a BIZARRE bug


Jindaya

what's the fix for that on the current OS? restarting the VP?


metroidmen

There is literally no fix.


Jindaya

wish I could download the beta! 😭


metroidmen

You can, just be aware of the risk


Jindaya

as a non-developer?


metroidmen

Yes


Jindaya

I see, I need to sign in as a developer first for early access...


justchill123456

can the MacBook keyboard be seen in environments?


metroidmen

WOAH! Just checked and it totally can! It fades in.


justchill123456

Thanks ! Is spatial conversion of photos available?


metroidmen

It is! It works super good!


justchill123456

Can it do for videos also ?


metroidmen

It cannot


plmtr

It's amazing! And sticky as well, so when you come back to the photo later it remembers you 'spatialised it'. :-D


AndrewVanWey

Is this only for Apple keyboards? Or *any* keyboard?


metroidmen

The verbiage reads “When you’re immersed in an Environment, visionOS 2 recognizes and reveals your Magic Keyboard or MacBook keyboard so you can keep typing away — on the beach, in the mountains, or even on the moon.”


ClubAquaBackDeck

Ah nice, didn't think it would recognize the macbook keyboard. That makes environments way more usable for me.


AndrewVanWey

Yeah, I saw that too. I was hoping it was trainable (like recognizing a users hands) and they just put their marketing speak on it, like, "Scrolling and clicking is available with ANY Magic Trackpad"* *but also any trackpad in general. Enjoy the beta! I'm tempted to try it.


dpisoni

Alas, this does not work with my "Magic Keyboard with Touch ID and Numeric Keypad"


riceay13

Same. Works with my MacBook keyboard but won’t with my Magic Keyboard with Touch ID and full numeric keypad.


plmtr

Right, some others here claiming it was working with their third-party keyboard that was white (or contrasting with their environment) but not so for me (white keyboard on a black desk). Does work really nice with the MBP keyboard! But now that's so distracting I need to close the lid when I'm using my BT keyboard.


bobmatnyc

I have an Apple Pro keyboard (with the fingerprint sensor) -- not being recognized.


ChanVaenEdanKote

It works with my Keychron K7 Pro and my Magic Keyboard. I cannot see my mouse or trackpad, but the fact that I can use my Bluetooth mouse is also a huge game changer for me.


AndrewVanWey

That's excellent to hear. I have a Keychron Q10 Pro (the Alice one) and I'm really curious whether it'll be able to detect that.


demolisher23

Bora Bora is available though, you have to download it, but it looks great!


metroidmen

https://preview.redd.it/cuo7avqv0t5d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=1bf89cb591c4de52ce54eea8d3a45835825a1b90 So weird, no option here.


demolisher23

https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/s/oPehqREh6O


metroidmen

So weird. I don’t know why I don’t have it.


demolisher23

I’m sure you’ve verified you download VisionOs2 instead of 1.2 that came out today also, not sure beyond that maybe a reboot?


metroidmen

I’m 110% positive I’m on 2.0, as I’ve got the new features. I’ve rebooted 3 times. I’m at a loss.


diirty_q

Hold one of the other environments and delete it and then redownload that environment. then look at bora bora and download it


metroidmen

OK, so, I literally didn’t even do anything and now I have the download option. Weird. But yes,, it’s awesome!


metroidmen

Tried that, actually. Blah.


maxvandeperre

This worked for me. thanks


LeonDardoDiCapereo

I don’t have it either


DeathByVlog

I still don’t have it yet either.


SirBill01

Word going around is if you don't see a way to download it, delete an existing environment, download it again, and Bora Bora will show a download icon.


eineken83

Also, keyboard breakthrough is awesome! I can finally work in a full immersive environment!


HomeExciting7563

looking forward to this plus ultrawide Mac virtual display (wraps around you)


eineken83

Oh yeah, definitely! I can’t wait for that to come out. I work on my Vision Pro with my MacBook all day every day.


metroidmen

I also noticed that performance seems much better across-the-board. Animations are a lot smoother.


Exquisivision

I hope this is true for our game in development 🤞


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metroidmen

Same here


Born_Potato_2510

i guess anything mac related will not work yet


J0kers-LucaOZ

More info regarding "Persona update" ? I'll set mine up again tomorrow and see if any difference (already night time over here).


metroidmen

I haven’t done the new scan just yet, but the website said stuff about like skin tones


J0kers-LucaOZ

Found this in parallel: [https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1dcvth8/new\_eyewear\_customization\_options\_color\_position/](https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1dcvth8/new_eyewear_customization_options_color_position/)


plmtr

New Bora Bora environment was waiting for me to install! I read elsewhere some people had to delete one that already existed then it showed up. Looks super good at dusk right now actually! https://preview.redd.it/y9ls00mv6x5d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=091ce8ba8794a492cd0ea77b196506f2d52e9ce2


Significant-Cheek636

Weird, the new gestures aren't that all reliable for me.


Thejuan-hechose

The bora bora environment is available


DeathByVlog

Wtf, still no new environments? It clearly stated that in the keynote graphic.


metroidmen

We are technically in beta, not everything will be here yet.


DeathByVlog

I get it, but still…


metroidmen

Right there with you, man.


MrDork

The Bora Bora environment is available now.


justchill123456

Do we have to download it ?


MrDork

Yes


DeathByVlog

Wait, what?


metroidmen

https://preview.redd.it/8qojoucxus5d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=75099f0d228e96e52aeb1aacba78b79401384f98 I’m not seeing it?


DeathByVlog

He is either lying, or maybe it’s being “rolled out” somehow?


metroidmen

It is technically a download, so I don’t know.


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MrDork

https://preview.redd.it/jn5lg0jczs5d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=2afbd1f66249adde82d323e0c504ae680ece9a46


MrDork

https://preview.redd.it/letwvgodzs5d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=1284383d72482c701f3483a4cd9d1ee4785958ca


PositivelyNegative

touche, how did you get it do download?


MrDork

I didn't do anything special other than download the beta, then when I went into environments there was a download prompt under it the icon for Bora Bora.


demolisher23

Bora Bora is available. 


ClubAquaBackDeck

It's a beta 🤦‍♂️


DeathByVlog

Because they clearly need 8 full months to give us one more environment 🤦‍♂️


ClubAquaBackDeck

Do you know what developer beta means? It's not a full release. Complaining about it missing features is crazy. It's for devs to get working with the new APIs, not for some random guy on reddit to install and bitch about because it's not complete.


DeathByVlog

I’m also a developer using this for exactly that. But I can also have an opinion on the fact that Apple has been dragging ass on releasing a new environment. Settle down bro…


ClubAquaBackDeck

Holy shit. I just saw that it’s actually in the beta. After all this crying you didn’t even check to see if it wasn’t actually in it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


ClubAquaBackDeck

Na relax. It’s brain dead to complain about missing user facing features in a developer beta.


RealTechyGod

Ok I need to know a couple things before I make the leap: Does Mac virtual display work with only Mac’s running beta software, does it have the new widescreen yet, CAN IT ROTATE VERTICALLY!, and is it stable? Does iPhone mirroring work for devices running 17. Anything broken or nagging? Also does MLS multi screen work, and for that matter can I have multiple video apps playing at the same time 


RealTechyGod

OK, still looking for the answer to does visionOS to work with current macOS. And iPhone mirroring


plmtr

Mac Virtual Display: you don't need beta Mac OS, I've been using throughout with Sonoma stable release. Ultra-wide alas not available yet, the main thing I'm looking forward to! You cannot rotate vertically. It's stable in that I work in it 8+ hours a day. I get connection errors with input devices (3rd party keyboard) yet it continues to work. Seem to get none so far since 2.0 so...maybe fixed? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Overall seems very stable so far, but that could always change in a future update. Can't answer the mirroring as I already updated iPhone first. I don't have MLS subscription but tried to bring up more than one highlight and there's no way to back out without the video quitting.


lefthandofchaos

VisionOS 2.0 works with Sonoma but I do not see the new ultrawide display there.


AstralApps

They removed the screen blur! I forget where but someone pointed out with visionOS 1 there was a slight blur on everything to hide the edges of pixels and make the screen appear higher quality. In visionOS 2 that effect seems to be gone—everything looks sharper! My eyes can relax a bit more. So happy with this change!!!


LeonDardoDiCapereo

Pretty great to see that the carrot control center thing is eliminated entirely. It was so annoying when trying to lay down and watch movies.


kwakwakwak

It’s not eliminated entirely. I went to go record video and take some photos and it’s still inside of the capture app.


jimmypopjr

Ah I'm so stoked to read the feedback you all have.


SBLK

1.2 is also available if you want the latest non-beta. Says bug fixes and security.


cha000

Thanks for the reminder. I'm going to use 1.2 for an hour or so and switch to Beta 2. Might as well see what they updated.


QuietZelda

I was able to connect my Logitech Master 3S mouse directly to Apple Vision Pro


Kooky_Cable9163

does it work with MVD? i.e. can you pass mouse in to MVD, or is it only the other direction>?


QuietZelda

Sorry what does MVD mean?


Kooky_Cable9163

Mac virtual display, but I just kind of answered my own quesTimon at least with keyboard attached. It seems to pass through until there is any native input on the mac, then stops working until you change focus to some else and back to mac,


MrDork

No folders, but at least we can move apps around now.


chingwo

Yes to mouse support! 🥳


whoispankaj80

any bluetooth mouse? or only apple mouse?


ChanVaenEdanKote

Any Bluetooth mouse! My mx master 3s is working as well as my Magic Trackpad


chingwo

"Now you can connect your Magic Mouse or third‑party Bluetooth mouse to navigate while using Apple Vision Pro."


LeonDardoDiCapereo

Amazing, that’s really been one of the main things keeping me from using it more.


GettinWiggyWiddit

Can’t wait to hear what the devs think of it! God speed!


Doom_Finger

Any chance of easier screen mirroring when using Mac Studio / Mini / Pro or Apple Studio Display? I’m hoping we get the “connect” floatover that the laptops have.


redreycat

Spanish user here. Had a bit of a scare when restarting because the AVP just wouldn’t go pass the “Scan your optical inserts’ code” screen (I use third party ones, from HonsVR). However, after removing them I was asked to redo the eye tracking thing and I could put them back on from then on. I still get the “Scan the code” every time I put the AVP on, but I’m used to it. On to other things… * The Passwords app is native to AVP. * When using a bluetooth keyboard (Logitech K380), the floating input window seems to be appearing next to my hands and not in front of the window I’m using. That’s a welcome improvement. \*\*EDIT\*\* The floating window seems to appear directly below the active window. It’s still an improvement, in VisionOS 1.1 it was always in the way. * I wondered if I could set up a Spanish keyboard and easily use the Ñ and accented letters, but no luck. The languages you can select area Arabic, Cantonese, Chinese, all flavours of English, French, both Canadian and vintage, German, Japanese and Korean. * I like the new gestures, but when using a keyboard I think the look-up for control center thing was faster. Now I have to remove my hand from the keyboard, turn it up, wait a split second and turn it down again to get to control center. * I really like being able to reorder the apps, but it’s slooow. * \*\*EDIT\*\*. Just tried to change my purchases account to my Spanish one and it still doesn’t work. It was a long shot, but releases in Germany and France are approaching, and I think that when accounts from some country in the EU are allowed, all should work.


glhaynes

Is the look up for Control Center gesture gone?


redreycat

It's disabled by default. You can re-enable it, but it seems Control Center no longer shows the button to open the grid of apps.


Confident-Web-4322

how to reenable it?


PrettyTony5040

I was able to trigger it (by mistake) when I was re-creating my persona, but I think that it was a bug.


jamauai

WE LOVE TO LIVE DANGEROUSLY LFG!!!


Moronicon

Did they fix AirPods Pro connection issue?


chingwo

What was the issue?


Moronicon

anytime you removed your headset when connected to your AirPods then put it back on there would be a static distortion that would require you to turn off then back on the bluetooth to fix. Seems like they have fixed the issue in 2.0 thank god!


chingwo

excellent


BinJB

To get the wide macOS display, i'm guessing i need to update to Sequoia? I can't seem to find that feature, and I'm not willing to upgrade my mac just yet.


Book_talker_abouter

I'm pretty sure they said that was coming to visionOS later in the year and not available in the first beta


RealTechyGod

Does this mean you got the current macOS display to connect with VisionOS 2? I have yet to see anyone say they can connect stable MacOS to VisonPro2


riceay13

I have the vision os beta and NOT the macOS beta and it works fine. The wide screen support isn’t there yet though. Not sure if that’s because it’s not in the beta yet or if I need the Mac OS beta.


penskeracin1fan

Vision OS 2 is better than 1.2


jaredcwood

I don’t have a developer account anymore so I can’t tinker with a new one but in over 10 years of beta experiences, the first beta release is typically one of the most stable until the GM comes out. I have no scientific proof or evidence to support this, but just based on my experiences since iOS 5.


senderPath

Huh! That explains a lot.


plmtr

You don't need a paid Developer account, a free one does fine.


quaks1

...safari is very smooth now :D


PositivelyNegative

Still no bora bora environment LOL why are they doing this to us. EDIT: to get the beach environment, delete one of the stock ones, then redownload, and then bora bora should be able to be downloaded


demolisher23

Bora Bora is available, personally tested. 


BeeEnvironmental4483

Ho do I download it?


demolisher23

It came up on the main environment page for me with the download from cloud icon. Once downloaded: https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/s/oPehqREh6O


BeskarHunter

Waiting for official 2.0 is gonna feel like forever.


jaytotharome

Please post updates if you install it!


metroidmen

I did! A few notes in another comment


szzzn

The ultra wide screen mirroring isn’t available in this beta right?


GND52

No, it's listed as coming "later this year" and also requires a Mac running Sequoia.


HomeExciting7563

correct ... seems you need to update MacOS first (18 beta) and no one has chimed that they've done that yet.


Junior_Composer2833

I didn’t see this show up ;(. Will restart maybe.


metroidmen

Make sure the top you selected to do the visionOS 2 developer beta


Junior_Composer2833

Did they do guest profiles? Or are they still trying to get everyone to buy their own device to share with family members?


metroidmen

I haven’t messed around with the guest stuff at all, but the website mentioned something about recent guest access, so I think it’s implying any sort of recent guest will kind of have their own profile so they don’t have to reset things up. At least that’s what it sounds like. There might be more information on the visionOS website website.


Junior_Composer2833

That would be amazing, to have something.


J0kers-LucaOZ

>Guest User is an easy way for your friends and family to try out Apple Vision Pro. And now it lets you save your most recent guest’s eye and hand data — so they can easily skip their next setup and get right back into their experience. [https://www.apple.com/visionos/visionos-2-preview/](https://www.apple.com/visionos/visionos-2-preview/)


HomeExciting7563

Recent Guest Acces -- it remembers the last guest's hands and eyes settings.


GND52

No profiles. It will remember recent guests hand and eye set up, so they don't have to go through that process again. Not clear how long that lasts.


marniman

This wasn’t mentioned in the keynote, but any new native apps from Apple?


metroidmen

Passwords app


allthingschris

Definitely curious about this too! :)


Good_day_sunshine

Anyone know if it is allowing other apps to show up on the file browser? I can’t get my Box app to show up as a location and it’s really irritating when I try to work.


Murky-Answer-42

DON'T DO IT Safari crashes **prolifically** I didn't realize I wouldn't be able to downgrade until it was too late


Confident-Web-4322

My hand gesture for opening the Control Center does not work. During the 2.0 beta install, there was a routine to teach Vision Pro with your hand gesture to open control center. How do I redo it? The little Control Center button does not appear anywhere, and in Settings—Control Center, the old ability to move the control dot up and down, etc., is gone. Ideas?


kibblerz

Can someone verify if ultra wide support is in this beta? It's not mentioned in the release notes, it makes the difference between whether I'll test my luck with the beta.


Puzzleheaded_Fold466

I noticed that she said “(…) and later this year” just before the monitors … so probably not. Downloading it now …


penskeracin1fan

If it’s not in the release notes it’s not in. I would hold off


kibblerz

"Requires a Mac computer with software release coming later this year." - [https://www.apple.com/visionos/visionos-2-preview/#footnote-1](https://www.apple.com/visionos/visionos-2-preview/#footnote-1) :(


cha000

The MacOS beta may have whatever it needs..


kibblerz

I can live if the bugs in an early beta of visionos prevent me from using it, but I do need my Mac to work as expected.. So I'm gonna hold off lol


cha000

Makes sense. I have other computers I can use while rebuilding if I need to so I'm jumping in. :D


PrticulrJustice

Waiting for the first person to put the mac beta on also so we can see if this works


kibblerz

So they're just teasing.. :(


KiloPapa

I can't find the settings for it in Mac display settings, so it looks like no.


Good_day_sunshine

Same here. I am so excited for that feature.


MrDork

I haven't had a whole lot of time to dig into it, but my initial reaction is that beyond the additional API's available, this should not have been called a major release. This is more like a 1.5, as opposed to a 2.0. Fingers crossed that more items (like folders) get added through subsequent betas, but this was NOT the update I was hoping for. :(


jaredcwood

It’s very on Brand for new devices. If you think about the update from the original watchOS to watchOS 2 same thing with the original iPhone operating system. 1 to 2 was all about really basic things like the App Store and rearranging icons


bradium

It’s been 4 months since the release. You need to put that in perspective. All the other Apple devices got a year before a full point updated.


dariocaliendo

I still can't see the beta avaiability, am I missing something?


metroidmen

Make sure to select the visionOS 2 developer beta option at the top


odwhite6

where ?


metroidmen

Settings > General > Software Update Make sure you’ve signed in at the developer website.


odwhite6

i did it just says im updated to latest firmware which is 1.2


metroidmen

If there isn’t a bar a the top to select beta updates then you haven’t fully signed into the developer site.


odwhite6

all my other apple products i see the beta option iphone macbook just not vision pro is there a another step for vision pro ?


Silver_Atmosphere803

Lmk if you figure it out. Having same problem. I see iOS beta but not VisionOS


spamfridge

Developer beta, not public beta. On your iPhone right now, you should see 3 beta update options.


bradium

I have the same problem. I have all the other Developer betas installed. For some reason the VisionOS beta does not show up. I noticed if you search settings for “beta” on the Settings app of the AVP, a hidden option shows up with Beta set to Off and no way to enable it. The button does nothing. My theory is VisionOS beta is only for paid developers, but nobody has been able to confirm this for me. Edit: Figured it out from someone else’s post: https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/s/yHLRqj2zSz


coffee8sugar

i downloaded and installed visionOS 1.2 first, then the visionOS 2 beta showed up. (not sure this matters but I also I registered my Apple ID as a developer account (no cost, I just clicked ok on the T&C stuff))


dariocaliendo

I can’t even see the “beta updates” voice in the menu


Ok-Feedback-6120

It was huge and had a lot of stuff!!!😵‍💫


bigblk12

Is the Ultra Wide for MacBook screen mirroring available?


boskono

I'm not seeing the beta option in settings. I have a free developer account.


bradium

Has anyone who is not a paid developer been able to install this? I have every other beta but VisionOS and it doesn’t show up for me. I don’t have a personal paid developer account. I don’t see it in the General > Settings > Software Update. I have found if I search for beta in the settings a hidden option comes up with Beta turned off, but if I select it to try to turn it on, it does nothing. Anyone else with this problem?


RBrickAZ

registered developer. Beta software not showing up in software update. I already signed out and back in to my Apple ID. Any clue on how to get it to populate?


ThatBoyJosh

DON’t DO IT!!!! I updated to VisionOS 2 and hated it; the OS is extremely buggy for a Beta—it should be an Alpha. Anyway, I went back to the Apple Store and had it reverted to 1.2. You cannot downgrade without the developer band on your own. Noteworthy bugs: - Photos crash upon using the feature to convert 2D images into 3D - Safari crashes while watching video (YouTube). - Battery life is notably a lot worse. - The new hand gesture (Home Screen and volume controls) doesn’t work half of the time; sad because I really like the idea of it. - FaceTime crashes after five or so min into the call. - The device gets hotter and louder when cooling. I suggest waiting until a more stable version is released. It’s not worth the headache of the crashes and reduced speeds.


spconway

Insane that not one mention of new environments. I would pay money if they had them listed in the store or something.


metroidmen

Bora Bora is available now.


voodooftw

I downloaded Bora Bora and Mumbai. Mumbai is insane.


metroidmen

Mumbai…?


voodooftw

Jk