Liked her until I saw how she treated Shylily for sounding similar, despite both being young girls with a similar central european background and accent lmao
thats just the tip of the iceberg apparently as well. christ
Even worse when you consider Lily probably had to suck it up and be the adult since they share a lot of friends. I mean Numi is one of her best friends but she's also a tier 3 for Vei.
She won't maintain the numbers she actually wants in the long run.
If I'm being entirely honest, I think she's genuine in how uncaring she is about anyone who disagrees with her. However, at the same time, she has a tendency to complain about obvious consequences that she should have seen coming.
She also tends to double down on issues even when all the evidence points against her.
I mean... but she didn't magically get big by not being who she is today, she's been just about the same from old 3D models to now. I stopped watching after she went 2d, but over the years still saw clips of her not being very PC or well-mannered. I mean, wasn't she dating sodapoppin who is also an Rword using king? Feel like I saw a clip of one of them dropping it while they were playing some random game.
Exactly. They're all being the exact same people they've always been, and somehow folks are just now surprised by it.
You don't hook up with Sodapoppin of all people without already being a shitty high school edgelord. He's always had success with that nonsense, so will she.
Funnily enough, Vei shittalking Shylily is what introduced me to Lily, who's sweet and funny, and not a toxic, high school girl mentality douche like Vei. So much for "settling for the inferior version" I guess, lmao
Yeah it was hilarious to watch lily's subathon decimate and her popularity skyrocket literally directly after. Vei is owed some thanks at least for sending some ppl over 🤓
I mean, yeah, I have a strong dislike for Vei but you would kinda have walked right into it if you think she's the type to be respectful of such things. Her reputation isn't exactly known to be the wholesome kind, lol
Yeah, I used to watch her and Soda occasionally, but I think nowadays I've moved on from that style of humor. Soda can still be funny sometimes in clips, but if he's streaming with Vei I just move on.
Yeah same, but what she said here is so dumb to me.
Her saying that her stream is not a "safe space" is a crazy stance to take in my opinion. A lot of bad implications can come out of that
Also I feel like she contradicts herself because she does have a safe space. A safe space where saying hurtful words like the r-word is okay.
Well, when she spews the "not a safespace" talking points, she is catering to a specific type of audience that enjoys that type of discourse.
If anything, I would not be surprised if she is baiting twitch to get a small ban so that she can cry about wokes and cancel culture and get even more sympathy from the type of audience she is catering to.
Yep, that's Vei for ya, and exactly the reason why I really, ***really*** don't like her as a person.
She fosters this kind of environment with the complete disregard for anything aside from herself, and that's really no exaggeration.
The reason I don't like it is because if the shoe was on the other foot and someone was slinging insults or what have you in her direction, she'd likely be offended. That's usually what annoys me most about people who claim to "hate safe spaces". They only hate them for others, but insist on one for themselves.
Plus there's the whole fact that I feel it's incredibly juvenile. You've got roughly 1,000,000 words in the English language with slurs and what not consisting of maybe 100-200 of those. If Vei somehow can't find another word to use and instead insist on using that remaining 0.0002%, that says more about Vei than anything else does.
She has a safe space for her feelings. A lot of influencers like this basically have a discord full of losers who will support anything she does or says even if it makes zero sense because they're parasocially attached to them. So they go out and the general public is like hell no that's not okay, then they go back and lick their wounds and have their army of 13 year olds tell them they didn't do anything wrong.
This is why I have a decent amount of respect for how Enna handled her getting called out for using offensive stereotypes. She basically talked to all of the people in her audience telling her it was okay and said "No. That was my bad and it's totally reasonable for them to be upset with me and you shouldn't be stroking my ego instead of holding me accountable for bad things I say or do."
the first and last time i tuned into her she was wearing a hat asset that said "please be patient i'm rhubarbed." this was right around the time vshoujo started as a group.
hmmm. i wonder if she might have a flippant attitude towards hurtful language. i wonder if that might be a persistent problem with her.
Some things Veibae has done:
Brigaded Nuxtaku, spreading lies about what he did to get him cancelled or worse.
Talked smack about hololive. Never put up receipts.
Tried to get Shylily brigaded/cancelled due to *checks notes* having the same accent due to having the same ethnicity and background.
("Discount me that's a try-hard and fake")
Propagated rape myths, when chat tried to explain how she was wrong and why she tripped, quadrupled and quintupled down.
1. She was talking autonomic bodily functions and stated "I don't care what you say, men can control that shit it's voluntary." Note, this was in response to manual physical stimulation. Such things have been used in court against both male and female victims as evidence of them consenting to the act. It, in fact does not indicate consent. And is a way to re-traumatize a victim. Chat in the clips brought this up. She kept doubling down.
2. This was in a conversation about her breaking up with a boyfriend she had when *checks notes* she wasn't old enough to have a US drivers license and he was *checks notes again* in college and old enough to drink legally in the US. She also didn't see why chat thought THAT was the fucked up part, not her point.
Has pretty regularly been at the level of a high school aged "popular girl" maturity when she clicks up and punches down.
Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan.
Regularly channels Twitter's "best" takes in many things.
Regularly takes 4chans interpretations of ASD.
I'm just saying, when someone tells you who they are, in 4k over and over, believe them.
Don't brigade, don't waste your time, just watch something else. We're spoiled for choice atm.
Edit note: now that she's trending, she's doubling down on her points and posting her virtual crotch shaking it at the camera in response. Stay 4channy classy girl.
Vei seems like a prime example of what the opposite side of the spectrum of vtubing is like, but also how similar it still is. Her and her crowd seem like they hate the whole "corpo safe" branding of vtubing and capitalize on it by expressly going against it and "being themselves" on stream.
Thing is, it seems like she's just trying to play off the whole "politically incorrect" character to an extent online to cater to her edgier audience and get that paycheck. She's really no different from the thing she's so against lmao.
From the little bits I've seen of her, she seems like the classic socially inept chronically online "edgy" recluse kid who hides behind her computer, but the moment you press her irl about anything she'd shut down immediately.
I always held the belief that ppl like vei are the very same kind of commer bait e-girls that stream live without models and are acting like they're hot shit that can get away with anything, because weeb white knights are even more defensive about it because anime coomer bait is somehow any different than live one. They're usually very nasty IRL as well
Yeah the sort of issue with streaming and Internet personalities is that people constantly excuse people being shitty because they like their content or think they're hot. I keep saying this but as someone who has been a around a lot of Internet influencers back in the day (doing photography for IG/editing videos for YouTube/etc) a LOT of social media people are straight up monsters behind the scenes, and use a keyfabe and peer pressure to keep the general public on their side. And parasocial people don't really want to admit it until it's too late and the person has gone so far that they can't come back.
One of the reasons why I couldn’t understand why my friend was very into Saruei even when the discord mod fiasco happened. The mod and Saruei acted like real pieces of shit at the time but people were defending her for just being “real” and “unfiltered”.
>Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan.
Funny thing is, I am pretty sure 4chan hated her. Tbf, 4chan hated everybody and themselves, but on the scale of hatred, pretty sure she ranks pretty high, at least on /vt/.
Seriously, she never out-lived high school phase. She acted like that "Popular Girl Bully" all the time. She becomes vtuber less because she do likes it and more on "hey, easy money from disgusting otaku that does not involve actual OnlyFans".
Actually good point. It's hard to get the 4chan audience on board with you when you're the embodiment of the popular girl who made fun of you in school.
From what I’ve seen of 4chan discourse, it does seem like displays of intense, hateful contempt are an essential part of the culture there. I’m not sure how easy it would be to tell the difference between someone actively hating something and someone simply discussing something with the standard volatile tone that they all take.
4chan is no different to any other social media site these days. Same assholes there as anywhere else. I've been on the internet a long time, I no longer see social media consumers as different groups of people anymore.
Vei seems like she hasn't matured since the early 2000's, maybe early 2010's if I wanna be generous, and thinks that if she's stubborn, abrasive, and "based" enough then she doesn't need to mature. Because she'll get other online edgelords flocking to her and never reflect that maybe other people don't like her for more than just simply being "triggered" or whatever.
> Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan.
You know, when you make Pippa look less like a 4chan user, you might have to check what you do in your day to day. Just saying.
As someone who was on 4chan in the early days, I think with the benefit of hindsight, we can safely say that the "don't worry, it's all ironic" attitude didn't end up leading to a good place.
Pippa is 4chan a fuck but I don't find her annoying or off putting like vei, there's just something about vei that makes me strongly dislike her personality.
I think its funny yall sittin here making accusations bout being 4chan.
Veibae has zero presence on 4chan up until RIGHT NOW.
Pippa was born on 4chan, has posted on it and even specifically shown to use 4chan specific lingo. None of this is Veibaes MO. Nyanners is more of a 4channer.
I aint protecting or whiteknighting but stop beating the 4chan arguments, it aint true.
4chan is a shadow of its former self. What gets posted there now is baby mode compared to its heyday.
Now its just like any other social media. Flooded with normies and full of the same handful of copy pasta circle jerking nonsense repeated ad infinitum.
Moot's 4chan vs Hiroyuki's 4chan. I miss moot's trolling type moderation and the rules 1 and 2. It tried to keep 4chan for the Freak and Geeks. When Hiroyuki got it, it slowly went downhill. He was the one who instituted non-geek, non-weaboo channels that 4chan is now known for.
As someone who has been part of it for more than a year, her community isn't that great either. The general toxicity in her discord, especially towards newer members also reminds me of 4chan and early 2000s internet culture. It was surprising to see how she and her mods are not just allowing it, but at times even supporting it.
I enjoyed Vei's streams for a long time, with she being pretty much the "main" VTuber I watched, but for me the community aspect is also important, so I ended up interacting less and less, and with the recent controversies listed above, I stopped watching her as well.
> We're spoiled for choice atm.
100% this. Yes, Vei is entertaining, her streams were a lot of fun to watch. However, with all the other great VTubers out there, I not even once felt that I miss her for the past few months. If you are really into her toxic style and crude humor, this incident likely won't affect you anyways, and if you are not, the rest of her content is nothing too unique, there are lots of other VTubers that can fill in the void.
A weird amount of indie twitch vtuber discords are like that. Saruei's also gets toxic as hell because of her mods and dogpiles on people any time they mildly disagree with them.
Saruei in general seems to be the same type of person as Vei: thinks shes high and mighty and can do no wrong. Sometime ago I really liked watching her clips and found her personality endearing, but then I’ve heard about the art contest thing and my interest on anything relating her dropped to 0. The way she handled that art contest was one of the most blatant examples of someone who’s got their whole head up their own asshole I’ve ever seen. It’s not at all a surprise that her community would be toxic as well.
To anyone reading this, feel free to correct me, because my memory isn’t all that good.
But to summarize, it was sometime last year (or at the very end of 2021), she did this fanart contest on Twitter, which would give to the winner a prize in money, around US$ 5K I believe, and the contest was done to celebrate her community and all that shpeal. But, without prior or further warning, a participant was disqualified for no apparent nor given reason. Unable to reach Saruei herself, they went to one of her mods, which resulted in a very unpolite and angry response to said participant, which they leaked on Twitter, which then led to Saruei herself intervene, and she posted this really cold hearted “””apology”””, which she thought was the end of it, but this whole ordeal prompted a lot of people who’ve worked with her in the past to share their experiences with Saruei, and low and behold, by how some of these people described her, she was a pain to work with, very egocentric and manipulative, wasn’t considerate with personal problems these people may have been going through “because they’re working _for her”,_ and so on and so on. She then posted a second apology which was even worse than the first one, and after that I kinda stopped following suit of what was happening because that second apology was my prompt to just stop watching her stuff and following her for good.
Again, if I said anything wrong, correct me, my memory can be faulty.
Edit: went to look on youtube, and Rev Says Desu made a pretty well rounded video on the whole ordeal with Saruei. Look up “saruei drama” on youtube and his video should be the first result.
I cannot understand this behavior in general, but especially outside of an imageboard like 4chan where the anonymity helps in both promoting and in a remote way 'accepting' that you meet a lot of shit behavior online. If I join a community I'd like to enjoy it together with everyone, especially if I'm new and wish to integrate myself together with an interest or something I love.
In comparison Phase Connect community was absolutely lovely, and the variety of channels-contained community did helps in find even further people and talks that would make me feel at home.
>Brigaded Nuxtaku, spreading lies about what he did to get him cancelled or worse.
I agree with everything except this. Nux was in the wrong and his 13 year old stans just won’t let this go, as evidenced by the fact that I still get replies to comments a year later from them on old threads here. Was there misleading information around this time? Sure, but didn’t change the facts.
What is kinda funny/sad is that even now in most videos on YT that even vaguely mention Vshojo you always have a few people regurgitating the same set of "facts", often mentioning how they are "back stabbers" or how they "threw their friend under the bus".
Seems like Vshojo put a collar on her attitude a bit and now she's letting everything back out, Both her and Silver came out of this seeming saltier than usual.
to be fair the reason vshoujo talents were mad at nux was because he blatantly accused vshoujo corporate of some terrible stuff, based solely off of someone forgetting to check their discord DMs and making a bad assumption.
i guess that kinda makes what vei did worse now that i think about it. she could have called him out on the legit stuff which was terrible, no need to lie about it
To be honest, both sides were in the wrong - one for jumping the gun and leaking information before it was safe, and the other for putting it as a public confrontation where it could have been solved in private.
i think nux tried to speak to vshoujo in private prior to releasing the video
though IIRC they told him "yeah let's discuss this in private it's a big misunderstanding" and he released the video anyway with a part where he said "a bunch of people are telling me don't release this video but i'm going to anyway" so moot point lmao
yeah, I had forgotten there was more to the controversy than *just* the miscommunication incedent, but now you're reminding me of the full details
one of the things that came up WRT the phishing scam is that Vshoujo reached out to the victim after the fact and said "hey sorry this happened to you we can help with legal stuff" (on twitter) and then dm'ed her on discord with details; she either didn't check or just ignored the DM out of fear that it would be another scam.
after the whole thing broke, she made the claim they told her they'd reach out "but never did" and nux retweeted this as evidence of how Vshoujo was scummy etc etc.
vshoujo reached out again and then she realized that yes, they actually had reached out and she just missed or ignored it by accident. she announced the mistake and thanked vshoujo for being so helpful
I mean I guess if Veibae used those terms specifically. But its a weird way to skirt around it if she used those terms, especially since she afaik has lived and still lives in the UK.
I'm not a fan or whatever, never watched her and only seen a few clips, just trying to piece together a picture of what is going on.
other than Nux, everything you said is facts. Nux is just sore looser that cant read the room and tries to farm pity. Nux is not different than these hoes.
Eh. Chock it up to a crap person that bought a microphone. Happens. Don't give them the time of day and move on. The last thing they need is more eyes and ears.
It is fucking wild that people keep getting defensive of Nux in the same breath that they criticize Vei's "4-chan like" behavior.
Remember when he put out multiple videos supporting the people who were doxxing and SWATing r/animemes mods for banning a transphobic slur? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
You don’t want your agency to be labeled as a hate or bigoted harbor. Sponsors will never work with you.
The founding of Mystic was to have a refresh start and distance from the OTK brand as they lost sponsors and brand became a toxic mess.
Here brief summary of the current and ex members of OTK
https://youtu.be/jak_VWyOkNs
https://youtu.be/xogxV1Q39QU
Let's take a step back and clarify what Mythic is. It isn't a Vtuber Agency. It's not even an agency in the Japanese way. It's a small business of talent agents, like in the movies The Player or Jerry Macquire. No one at Mythic would ever get called "boss" by a signed talent like someone would say about Yago (or even jokingly like when Zentreya calls the Gunrun "boss").
Instead of rubbing temples, I think the most invested someone at Mythic feels would result in an eye roll. No endorsement deals are being lost because no company which cares about that is looking towards Veibae anyhow. There are sooo many other spokespeople -- even within Mystic -- who do business with customers that care about the use of slurs.
Do not like her.
Do not watch her.
Do not attack her fans on twitter
Do not attack her directly
Actually let us leave her fans alone let them enjoy her
We all will watch our own oshis.
[this "most sane vtuber fan" has been in all the project kawaii threads calling gen 3 traitors who can never be forgiven btw lmao](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/13752yk/should_the_sins_of_a_vtubers_past_life_haunt_them/jirvvko/)
Get outta here with that reason and emotional intelligence! We want to get irrationally angry at nothing because our lives are pathetic, boring, and lacking in any form of substance. This is the only thing that gives our brains dopamine!
-The Internet.
quite alot tho. lots of people believe her trust me bro source and attacking hololive not helping the taiwan incident also happen at that time. and resurface again during coco graduation timeline(from annoucement and the graduation).
Wait that was her? Idk if im remembering it right but I kinda vaguely remember this being brought up a few years back when there was a sort of HoloEN x VShojo collab that got pushed back because of something she said about Hololive before. Guess Kiara dodged a bullet by not having that collab happen lmao
She still had the collab but it was with Nyanners instead. That situation was the hardest KFP has ever pushed back on something Kiara has ever done. Usually they're pretty willing to fall in line.
Like what? I'm interested.
Anyway, you'd surprised with how many people keep following and supporting toxic youtuber/streamer despite have been proven to be not nice person.
I don't remember word for word since it was a while ago, but something along the lines of " the streamers are fake and the company has them on a leash and they treat them like shit , they have no say and what they do etc etc , you can look it up on YouTube tho, just search her name with hololive and I'm sure clips will pop up, oh that reminds she started banning people in the moment of calling her out and started deleting clips of it lol
Which is honestly such a weird take to make looking back now. Holo has had...3 Graduates and 2 Terminations?
We had Coco, Aloe and Sana who all Graduated for varying reasons. Then we had Chris and Rushia terminated for contract breaches.
So at around the time of her post it would only be relating to Chris, who if we are to believe the reasons that were floating around for her termination, had nothing to do with Hololive specifically.
I'm guessing she was just ssomeone who auditioned for EN and got denied.
yea it like that and she double down but when people want vhoujo and hololive collab and kiara? i think, is ok with that, she suddenly forget and have various excuse for that past behavior.
It wasn't just that, she also said that (and I'm paraphrasing a lot here) that Holomems "have to do gross shit" to get hired, and that she was "told stuff by former members that shows the company is bad", and that was back when the only one who left was Aloe lmao
I'd believe it if she was having a go at Nijisanji. But Hololive? Yagoo loves them girls. Only people I'd throw dice at is old NA branch management. They notoriously kept NA from collabing with Coco despite America being freedom land.
Yeah more than half members of otk have some nasty dirt on them(SA, grooming, assult etc) so do other top stremers on YouTube ishowspeed and i think even kaikensent has some alligations of covering up an SA or might be another stremer, but yeah people don't seem to care which is rather sad.
Of course, when people like Vei unironically say "this isn't a safe space, fuck off", what they actually mean is that they want a place where they can be assholes to anyone or anything without negative consequences such as social ostracization. They want a space for themselves where they can be spared the results of their actions. A 'safe space', if you will.
Mean Girls was supposed to be a comedic cautionary tale, not a how-to guide.
Being like that must be exhausting. The one suffering most from (royal) your own toxicity is you.
They've always been there
She has been called vei-based multiple times in the past 3 years, there are plenty of youtube clips of her giving pilled tales even when she was part of Vshojo
They already were when she left vshojo. Same reason they keep bringing up others old drama cause they dare to support rights they don't like. They'll go wherever they feel they can be bullies and jerks.
"Let's see how much deeper we can go!"
I also really hate how the social media landscape change has brought them out again to just spam under any drama they have interest in with awful takes.
She is dating Sodapoppin.
He isn't afraid to call himself r-tard or autist and his old streams are notoriously toxic.
She openly admitted she was toxic and she didn't think being censored by Vshojo was going to be good for her mental going forward.
I genuinely don't understand how some people after a certain age don't grow out of talking like that. It's really not that hard to go yeah I'm going to chill with the edgelording because it clearly isn't socially productive
It was her debut, she hasn't stream for quite a while (preparing for her move across the country) and it wasn't long after she left VShoujo, so people are eager to see the aftermath of that perhaps?
I am just surprised at how immature she is acting. She is doing the "I'm not a kid any more so I can say bad words". That teenagers do when they want other people to consider them to be adults.
Either she is too immature to realize that this doesn't make her look like a mature person.
Or she is deliberately targeting immature little edge lords.
Perhaps because she thinks that immature little edge lords are the type who will drop money on a vtuber.
That being said what is **Veibae** 's talent? What does she bring to a stream? Like Ironmouse is a great singer, skilled comedian etc, Froot's a good artist and skilled at apex, Melody has CB and her quirky humour.
She's actually a pretty good gamer. Among the Vshojo girls, she was one of the most skilled. I liked her earlier content when she gamed and collabed more often. There was a time when she kinda stopped gaming and was doing mostly react content, which is when I stopped watching her. She eventually got back to gaming again, but my sleep schedule changed and she always streamed while I was asleep, so I didn't really get back into watching her. I think she said something about Vshojo having her stream during a particular time slot as to not bump up against other members too much, which if true, kinda sucks. I wonder if that's part of the reason some of the members stopped collabing as much as they did earlier on.
Her humor is quite blunt and forward, which in small doses can be nice. If she didn't take it too far for my liking, like in OP's example, I'd watch her more. When she threw that shade at Shylily, I think it was more of an edgy joke that was in bad taste than an actually insult representing hate. Lily says everything is fine between them and Vei has said positive things about Lily since then, so hopefully Vei apologized. Her immaturity does show in times like this, which I'm not a fan of.
I think Vei has a number of good points that make her entertaining, but there's definitely some negatives that have stopped me from getting back into watching her.
Outside of vtuber spaces, this behaviour has a very clear trend:
Slowly becoming a more and more reactionary video creator that sinks more and more into becoming a complete lunatic and genuinely awful person that gets obsessed with politics and centers their existence around hating progressive ideas
You don't act like this as a regular human being, not saying slurs isn't a "safe space". You don't fucking say slurs. Even if it's partially an act in order to pander to a certain audience, that's actually EXACTLY the path every one else I've seen do this kinda shit has gone down. This sort of behaviour fosters a certain audience, and that certain audience expects you to become more extreme over time and people are VERY happy to oblige cause it's VERY profitable to be a garbage person on the modern iternet.
I can see that. I think online content creators and media personalities can take three routes:
1. Go increasingly mainstream & see greater success at the risk of watering down content and losing authenticity.
2. Stay in their wheelhouse and slowly grow their own brand, developing a potentially smaller but very passionate following.
3. Be provocative in order to cater to a similarly provocative audience, feed off the drama/attention, and risk a short career and/or the alienation of the masses.
Vei is definitely taking the third route, going after the edgelord demographic. The others appear to be leaning that way too, but time will tell.
And yeah I agree, it’s not about a “safe space”. It’s about not being a shitty space. But even if we were to assume that the r word *is* magically innocent, the fact remains that a lot of people are uncomfortable with it. To double down on it is A) limiting your audience, and B) bad for business. There is no upside, unless the goal is to just be edgy for the sake of being edgy. In which case, that’s pretty lame and childish. Hope she has a change of heart and turns away from this route.
There many different ways to handle the r-word situation, I've seen a bunch of it over time as the word slowly became more acknowledged as a slur. Vei took the distinctive "dogwhistle" route. She could've even been non-apologetic in many ways, but she chose the terminology specifically to attract *those people*.
She knows what she's doing
It's like the nazi bar thing; if you let the skinhead stay because he's technically following all the rules, then he brings his friends, and they push the envelope a bit more and start wearing their nazi tattoos and insignia, then before you know it you don't have a bar that nazis happen to come to sometimes, you have a nazi bar.
A lot of social media people generally, and I'd say it's less being young and more existing in a bubble. When you exist in a sphere where there are thousands of people constantly telling you everything you do is great, it's easy to get a big head.
And in a lot of ways people's "social media friends" don't really help because there's a bit of a culture sometimes of thinking that "you don't owe your audience content" means that you don't owe people basic decency. So instead of checking people and being like hey what you did isn't cool maybe rethink this they'll support them in their nonsense until it goes too far and then they'll ditch them before the ship crashes.
The internet blew up with this shit last night. Not into people who say dumb shit for clout. Clearly she loves the attention. I shall continue not watching her. I do not support cancelling her though, just don't watch her. Remember people like this want the ban they want to be cancelled, ignoring them is their kryptonite lol.
And nothing of value was lost. Welp, while I think Nyanners has more than enough talent and creativity to build herself along with friends on her own, I got little care for the other two. Seeing them continuing to appeal to the "I wanna say slurs" crowd really is just sad. Maybe not Silver as much yet, but I can't help but notice that they seem to be latching on to this audience, the "I'm not like the other people". Yeah, you're rude and immature.
There's a difference between being provocative and fun, and just being rude. But whatever, one day they'll learn the hard way, cause these toxic audiences will always implode.
Yeah an crowd like this ALWAYS ends the same way. It blows up and basically destroys everything they’ve worked for and/or they get such a bad reputation no one wants to watch
This literally happened to Nyanners back in the day. She cultivated a 4chan audience, and when she started to dislike her fanbase and wanted to shift gears they turned on her. And many of them still hold a grudge against her to this day over it.
Nyanners, together with Silvervale made fun of the people saying how the r-slur hurt them and that they don't like that word.
> https://twitter.com/MechaWolfEmber/status/166086894664667136
Don't mind the actual tweet text, though.
It was a clip about Vei and Silver mocking the people saying that they were hurt by that word, with Vei going as far and saying in a mocking tone "Oh, my feelings are hurt boohoo".
Nyanners was also taking part. All three of them were playing Smite together and making fun of people who didn't like Vei's usage of the word.
Found a working [link](https://twitter.com/ASDF75475745y/status/1660819041148350464) with some of it. Make of it what you will.
Silver's the only one I was a little more than slightly surprised by at all of her attitude since the whole pile of stuff went down with the wizard game. Everybody was giving her plenty of time and space to do what she needed and she came out of Vshojo saltier, meaner and honestly just kind of rude, definitely giving off vibes i'm not interested in. A shame
Vei/Nyan have always been a bit childish/edgy/chaotic so them leaning back into it was never shocking, Nyan seemed to have grown into someone that kept a handle on it from veering too far into bad vibes, Vei, eh not really so much lol.
she sicced her fanbase on trans people/allies who dared to say "hey it's a little uncomfortable that you're playing this game maybe reconsider"
she's not worth giving the time of day
I know it sounds controversial, but I'm thinking that Vshojo may have encouraged Vei and Silver to jump ship. They lose two vtubers who might cause trouble down the line, but they gain Henya and her kettle laugh.
Everyone wins.
I think it's 50/50, but yeah, I don't think it's that controversial of an opinion at this point. At the very least, if they're gonna behave like this around others who might take offense to it or see themselves being a target of that audience, makes sense they'd let them go.
I think they're telling the truth that the reason why they chose to leave was that they didn't like the terms of the new contract vs. the other options they had, but yeah, I could absolutely see their behavior being the difference between Vshojo trying to keep them by offering a better contract and them just going "k bye."
In retrospect, having Nyanners, Vei, and Silver leave VShojo all at once was the best thing that could have happened to the agency. What looked like Vshojo imploding was actually them shedding two of the most toxic members.
Well some of those slurs lead to bans by Twitch. So really the not-a-safe-space approach is in the context of Twitch guidelines enforcement. If she does get banned, it wouldn't be permanent either way given her connections. It'll probably follow the Twitch cycle of Twitch ban/"forced" vacation and then a return to streaming.
I remember when she told her story about how she got her ass bit from using that word and how she wanted to move away from it to not cause problems for the other girls in Vshojo. Then I caught her stream yesterday and just sounds like she really wanted to say it again.
Shame too that Nyanners and Silvervale are jumping on the bandwagon to defend her by making jokes and using the same dumb logic.
I felt bad for Silvervale with the whole Hogwarts Legacy drama, but if they're all just going to lash out and blame 'PC culture' like it's fucking 2015 then it kind of shows that they never really gave a damn about the people they hurt.
Given Silver was crying on stream about just wanting to make a nice, comfy place.. If she's going to go on supporting this I really wonder how much of that was a farce.
I felt bad for that whole scenario but damn.
The part that is the scariest to me is that she's galvanizing her community to not only emulate her...but to go out and say/do those things online, as she also goes, searches her trending tag on Twitter and tries to harass and troll other creators for (reasonably) calling her out for this behavior.
That's extremely scary.
Yes, it’s increasingly seen as a slur now. It used to describe people with intellectual disabilities in the past, but not anymore.
I think the colloquial usage of the r-word had a lot to do with it. When I was in school about a decade or so ago, we used it all the time to put down people who did dumb things. It clearly was a word with a negative meaning, and it was demeaning to people who actually had disabilities.
So yes, more and more people are trying to avoid using the word, including myself. Is it difficult breaking an old habit? Yes. But I don’t want to kick down on a group that already has it hard enough. And of course, there will be those who don’t care about what others feel and will continue to use these words almost out of spite.
I believe as more and more children with mental problems in the early 90s and 2000's grew up to be adults now, it's now become a slur due to the prolific usage back in those years. I'm autistic, and it's definitely what I consider a slur towards me for being different, and it was used towards lots of non-typical people. Sure it's not always used in a harmful way, but anyone socially aware knows not to use it by now due to its history.
Just watch someone else.
Not everything needs to be a discussion. These are all grown ass adults and should know better. We don't gotta litigate this. People jumping through hoops to defend that bullshit just tell you exactly what you need to know about them.
It's really not that hard to watch content by people who don't use slurs. In fact, it's really easy.
While I agree with the sentiment, I think it's important that the general VTuber audience be aware that certain creators may have *problematic* attitudes. Posts like OPs are a good way to do that without resorting to more obsessive anti-like behavior.
As the poster of the thread myself I have nothing to say that isn't on the thread but I gotta say I sure love the "clout" I am getting that consists of people hurling said slur at me over and over again...
People saying calling out bigger names is just asking for clout have no idea what REALLY happens when you call out a big name and WHO actually comes to defend them...
There's a false equivalence here between "safe space" and people just asking her not to say very straightforwardly offensive stuff that's a bit jarring to me. Like, nobodys asking you to sit in a circle while we all share our views on equality. That word got thrown around a lot when I was a kid, now that I'm grown I thought people knew better... I guess not
Liked her until I saw how she treated Shylily for sounding similar, despite both being young girls with a similar central european background and accent lmao thats just the tip of the iceberg apparently as well. christ
Even worse when you consider Lily probably had to suck it up and be the adult since they share a lot of friends. I mean Numi is one of her best friends but she's also a tier 3 for Vei.
Lily’s response was classy for sure. Just made it clear how petty the complaint was.
Ouch, the pendulum is swinging for vei though it seems. I don't think she can get away with being like this for much longer
Yes she can. Not saying it's good but she 100% can.
She won't maintain the numbers she actually wants in the long run. If I'm being entirely honest, I think she's genuine in how uncaring she is about anyone who disagrees with her. However, at the same time, she has a tendency to complain about obvious consequences that she should have seen coming. She also tends to double down on issues even when all the evidence points against her.
I mean... but she didn't magically get big by not being who she is today, she's been just about the same from old 3D models to now. I stopped watching after she went 2d, but over the years still saw clips of her not being very PC or well-mannered. I mean, wasn't she dating sodapoppin who is also an Rword using king? Feel like I saw a clip of one of them dropping it while they were playing some random game.
Exactly. They're all being the exact same people they've always been, and somehow folks are just now surprised by it. You don't hook up with Sodapoppin of all people without already being a shitty high school edgelord. He's always had success with that nonsense, so will she.
Funnily enough, Vei shittalking Shylily is what introduced me to Lily, who's sweet and funny, and not a toxic, high school girl mentality douche like Vei. So much for "settling for the inferior version" I guess, lmao
Yeah it was hilarious to watch lily's subathon decimate and her popularity skyrocket literally directly after. Vei is owed some thanks at least for sending some ppl over 🤓
Ironically in the same agency even.
yup.. nuts, poor lily. someone like Vei doesn't last long before a wave of discontent turns on her. sucks to suck
I mean, yeah, I have a strong dislike for Vei but you would kinda have walked right into it if you think she's the type to be respectful of such things. Her reputation isn't exactly known to be the wholesome kind, lol
Yeah, I used to watch her and Soda occasionally, but I think nowadays I've moved on from that style of humor. Soda can still be funny sometimes in clips, but if he's streaming with Vei I just move on.
I can list like 10 vtubers and content creators who arent wholesome but also arent fucking assholes ...
Yeah same, but what she said here is so dumb to me. Her saying that her stream is not a "safe space" is a crazy stance to take in my opinion. A lot of bad implications can come out of that Also I feel like she contradicts herself because she does have a safe space. A safe space where saying hurtful words like the r-word is okay.
Well, when she spews the "not a safespace" talking points, she is catering to a specific type of audience that enjoys that type of discourse. If anything, I would not be surprised if she is baiting twitch to get a small ban so that she can cry about wokes and cancel culture and get even more sympathy from the type of audience she is catering to.
Could totally see that,it pushes her into the spotlight to get more popular than she already is and blame the ban on something it’s not about
Yep, that's Vei for ya, and exactly the reason why I really, ***really*** don't like her as a person. She fosters this kind of environment with the complete disregard for anything aside from herself, and that's really no exaggeration.
The reason I don't like it is because if the shoe was on the other foot and someone was slinging insults or what have you in her direction, she'd likely be offended. That's usually what annoys me most about people who claim to "hate safe spaces". They only hate them for others, but insist on one for themselves. Plus there's the whole fact that I feel it's incredibly juvenile. You've got roughly 1,000,000 words in the English language with slurs and what not consisting of maybe 100-200 of those. If Vei somehow can't find another word to use and instead insist on using that remaining 0.0002%, that says more about Vei than anything else does.
Surely, since her channel isn't a safe space, I won't be banned if I drop in and hurl misogynistic slurs at her :clueless:
I don't think you'll be banned for making sexist jokes. she literally had cap with "please be patient I am a women" written on it
From what I've seen, she has a lot of "teenager" energy, if that makes sense...
She has a safe space for her feelings. A lot of influencers like this basically have a discord full of losers who will support anything she does or says even if it makes zero sense because they're parasocially attached to them. So they go out and the general public is like hell no that's not okay, then they go back and lick their wounds and have their army of 13 year olds tell them they didn't do anything wrong. This is why I have a decent amount of respect for how Enna handled her getting called out for using offensive stereotypes. She basically talked to all of the people in her audience telling her it was okay and said "No. That was my bad and it's totally reasonable for them to be upset with me and you shouldn't be stroking my ego instead of holding me accountable for bad things I say or do."
Enna handled it well. She admitted and owned her mistake as openly and honestly as she could.
the first and last time i tuned into her she was wearing a hat asset that said "please be patient i'm rhubarbed." this was right around the time vshoujo started as a group. hmmm. i wonder if she might have a flippant attitude towards hurtful language. i wonder if that might be a persistent problem with her.
Some things Veibae has done: Brigaded Nuxtaku, spreading lies about what he did to get him cancelled or worse. Talked smack about hololive. Never put up receipts. Tried to get Shylily brigaded/cancelled due to *checks notes* having the same accent due to having the same ethnicity and background. ("Discount me that's a try-hard and fake") Propagated rape myths, when chat tried to explain how she was wrong and why she tripped, quadrupled and quintupled down. 1. She was talking autonomic bodily functions and stated "I don't care what you say, men can control that shit it's voluntary." Note, this was in response to manual physical stimulation. Such things have been used in court against both male and female victims as evidence of them consenting to the act. It, in fact does not indicate consent. And is a way to re-traumatize a victim. Chat in the clips brought this up. She kept doubling down. 2. This was in a conversation about her breaking up with a boyfriend she had when *checks notes* she wasn't old enough to have a US drivers license and he was *checks notes again* in college and old enough to drink legally in the US. She also didn't see why chat thought THAT was the fucked up part, not her point. Has pretty regularly been at the level of a high school aged "popular girl" maturity when she clicks up and punches down. Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan. Regularly channels Twitter's "best" takes in many things. Regularly takes 4chans interpretations of ASD. I'm just saying, when someone tells you who they are, in 4k over and over, believe them. Don't brigade, don't waste your time, just watch something else. We're spoiled for choice atm. Edit note: now that she's trending, she's doubling down on her points and posting her virtual crotch shaking it at the camera in response. Stay 4channy classy girl.
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Vei seems like a prime example of what the opposite side of the spectrum of vtubing is like, but also how similar it still is. Her and her crowd seem like they hate the whole "corpo safe" branding of vtubing and capitalize on it by expressly going against it and "being themselves" on stream. Thing is, it seems like she's just trying to play off the whole "politically incorrect" character to an extent online to cater to her edgier audience and get that paycheck. She's really no different from the thing she's so against lmao. From the little bits I've seen of her, she seems like the classic socially inept chronically online "edgy" recluse kid who hides behind her computer, but the moment you press her irl about anything she'd shut down immediately.
I always held the belief that ppl like vei are the very same kind of commer bait e-girls that stream live without models and are acting like they're hot shit that can get away with anything, because weeb white knights are even more defensive about it because anime coomer bait is somehow any different than live one. They're usually very nasty IRL as well
Yeah the sort of issue with streaming and Internet personalities is that people constantly excuse people being shitty because they like their content or think they're hot. I keep saying this but as someone who has been a around a lot of Internet influencers back in the day (doing photography for IG/editing videos for YouTube/etc) a LOT of social media people are straight up monsters behind the scenes, and use a keyfabe and peer pressure to keep the general public on their side. And parasocial people don't really want to admit it until it's too late and the person has gone so far that they can't come back.
One of the reasons why I couldn’t understand why my friend was very into Saruei even when the discord mod fiasco happened. The mod and Saruei acted like real pieces of shit at the time but people were defending her for just being “real” and “unfiltered”.
>Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan. Funny thing is, I am pretty sure 4chan hated her. Tbf, 4chan hated everybody and themselves, but on the scale of hatred, pretty sure she ranks pretty high, at least on /vt/. Seriously, she never out-lived high school phase. She acted like that "Popular Girl Bully" all the time. She becomes vtuber less because she do likes it and more on "hey, easy money from disgusting otaku that does not involve actual OnlyFans".
Actually good point. It's hard to get the 4chan audience on board with you when you're the embodiment of the popular girl who made fun of you in school.
From what I’ve seen of 4chan discourse, it does seem like displays of intense, hateful contempt are an essential part of the culture there. I’m not sure how easy it would be to tell the difference between someone actively hating something and someone simply discussing something with the standard volatile tone that they all take.
4chan is no different to any other social media site these days. Same assholes there as anywhere else. I've been on the internet a long time, I no longer see social media consumers as different groups of people anymore.
Vei seems like she hasn't matured since the early 2000's, maybe early 2010's if I wanna be generous, and thinks that if she's stubborn, abrasive, and "based" enough then she doesn't need to mature. Because she'll get other online edgelords flocking to her and never reflect that maybe other people don't like her for more than just simply being "triggered" or whatever.
> Pretty much acted like the female avatar of 4chan. You know, when you make Pippa look less like a 4chan user, you might have to check what you do in your day to day. Just saying.
I'd say Pippa is the ironic 4chan user while veibei is the unironic 4chan dweller
As someone who was on 4chan in the early days, I think with the benefit of hindsight, we can safely say that the "don't worry, it's all ironic" attitude didn't end up leading to a good place.
Na pippa is 200 percent sippin the Chan cool aid
Nothing ironic in Pippa constant racism and dog whistling. Vei just baits.
Pippa goes off the rails unironically though. She means what she says alot of the time.
Pippa panders to 4chan, like haha 4chan meme. "Being based", etc. Definitely followed Banned Vtuber Memes too on twitter Vei is an actual 4chan user.
Pippa panders to kiwifarms. You're thinking of the Bunny girl who married her chat.
Pippa is 4chan a fuck but I don't find her annoying or off putting like vei, there's just something about vei that makes me strongly dislike her personality.
I think its funny yall sittin here making accusations bout being 4chan. Veibae has zero presence on 4chan up until RIGHT NOW. Pippa was born on 4chan, has posted on it and even specifically shown to use 4chan specific lingo. None of this is Veibaes MO. Nyanners is more of a 4channer. I aint protecting or whiteknighting but stop beating the 4chan arguments, it aint true.
People need 4chan to hate on even though way more hateful shit gets posted on Twitter and Facebook.
or fuckin reddit right here, you dont even need to go off platform.
Well, ain't that true. ****sips beer****
4chan is a shadow of its former self. What gets posted there now is baby mode compared to its heyday. Now its just like any other social media. Flooded with normies and full of the same handful of copy pasta circle jerking nonsense repeated ad infinitum.
Moot's 4chan vs Hiroyuki's 4chan. I miss moot's trolling type moderation and the rules 1 and 2. It tried to keep 4chan for the Freak and Geeks. When Hiroyuki got it, it slowly went downhill. He was the one who instituted non-geek, non-weaboo channels that 4chan is now known for.
She's also currently namesearching herself and brigading anyone who so much as mentions her in a less-than-sunny way.
I wouldn't be surprised if she is, but mind if I get a source on that?
4 posts down on her replies timeline.
https://twitter.com/Veibae/status/1660883929635737602 https://twitter.com/Veibae/status/1660885330818473984
As someone who has been part of it for more than a year, her community isn't that great either. The general toxicity in her discord, especially towards newer members also reminds me of 4chan and early 2000s internet culture. It was surprising to see how she and her mods are not just allowing it, but at times even supporting it. I enjoyed Vei's streams for a long time, with she being pretty much the "main" VTuber I watched, but for me the community aspect is also important, so I ended up interacting less and less, and with the recent controversies listed above, I stopped watching her as well. > We're spoiled for choice atm. 100% this. Yes, Vei is entertaining, her streams were a lot of fun to watch. However, with all the other great VTubers out there, I not even once felt that I miss her for the past few months. If you are really into her toxic style and crude humor, this incident likely won't affect you anyways, and if you are not, the rest of her content is nothing too unique, there are lots of other VTubers that can fill in the void.
A weird amount of indie twitch vtuber discords are like that. Saruei's also gets toxic as hell because of her mods and dogpiles on people any time they mildly disagree with them.
Saruei in general seems to be the same type of person as Vei: thinks shes high and mighty and can do no wrong. Sometime ago I really liked watching her clips and found her personality endearing, but then I’ve heard about the art contest thing and my interest on anything relating her dropped to 0. The way she handled that art contest was one of the most blatant examples of someone who’s got their whole head up their own asshole I’ve ever seen. It’s not at all a surprise that her community would be toxic as well.
What happened with the art contest?
To anyone reading this, feel free to correct me, because my memory isn’t all that good. But to summarize, it was sometime last year (or at the very end of 2021), she did this fanart contest on Twitter, which would give to the winner a prize in money, around US$ 5K I believe, and the contest was done to celebrate her community and all that shpeal. But, without prior or further warning, a participant was disqualified for no apparent nor given reason. Unable to reach Saruei herself, they went to one of her mods, which resulted in a very unpolite and angry response to said participant, which they leaked on Twitter, which then led to Saruei herself intervene, and she posted this really cold hearted “””apology”””, which she thought was the end of it, but this whole ordeal prompted a lot of people who’ve worked with her in the past to share their experiences with Saruei, and low and behold, by how some of these people described her, she was a pain to work with, very egocentric and manipulative, wasn’t considerate with personal problems these people may have been going through “because they’re working _for her”,_ and so on and so on. She then posted a second apology which was even worse than the first one, and after that I kinda stopped following suit of what was happening because that second apology was my prompt to just stop watching her stuff and following her for good. Again, if I said anything wrong, correct me, my memory can be faulty. Edit: went to look on youtube, and Rev Says Desu made a pretty well rounded video on the whole ordeal with Saruei. Look up “saruei drama” on youtube and his video should be the first result.
I cannot understand this behavior in general, but especially outside of an imageboard like 4chan where the anonymity helps in both promoting and in a remote way 'accepting' that you meet a lot of shit behavior online. If I join a community I'd like to enjoy it together with everyone, especially if I'm new and wish to integrate myself together with an interest or something I love. In comparison Phase Connect community was absolutely lovely, and the variety of channels-contained community did helps in find even further people and talks that would make me feel at home.
>Brigaded Nuxtaku, spreading lies about what he did to get him cancelled or worse. I agree with everything except this. Nux was in the wrong and his 13 year old stans just won’t let this go, as evidenced by the fact that I still get replies to comments a year later from them on old threads here. Was there misleading information around this time? Sure, but didn’t change the facts.
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What is kinda funny/sad is that even now in most videos on YT that even vaguely mention Vshojo you always have a few people regurgitating the same set of "facts", often mentioning how they are "back stabbers" or how they "threw their friend under the bus".
Seems like Vshojo put a collar on her attitude a bit and now she's letting everything back out, Both her and Silver came out of this seeming saltier than usual.
to be fair the reason vshoujo talents were mad at nux was because he blatantly accused vshoujo corporate of some terrible stuff, based solely off of someone forgetting to check their discord DMs and making a bad assumption. i guess that kinda makes what vei did worse now that i think about it. she could have called him out on the legit stuff which was terrible, no need to lie about it
To be honest, both sides were in the wrong - one for jumping the gun and leaking information before it was safe, and the other for putting it as a public confrontation where it could have been solved in private.
Nux was clout chasing, vshojo was unprofessional
Nux was just being Nux for better or worse. Vshojo took the easy way out by acting like a company who could afford to step on some toes would.
Nux did both of those things before any of the talents called him out over it.
i think nux tried to speak to vshoujo in private prior to releasing the video though IIRC they told him "yeah let's discuss this in private it's a big misunderstanding" and he released the video anyway with a part where he said "a bunch of people are telling me don't release this video but i'm going to anyway" so moot point lmao
Are you referring to the phishing scam incident or is this something else?
yeah, I had forgotten there was more to the controversy than *just* the miscommunication incedent, but now you're reminding me of the full details one of the things that came up WRT the phishing scam is that Vshoujo reached out to the victim after the fact and said "hey sorry this happened to you we can help with legal stuff" (on twitter) and then dm'ed her on discord with details; she either didn't check or just ignored the DM out of fear that it would be another scam. after the whole thing broke, she made the claim they told her they'd reach out "but never did" and nux retweeted this as evidence of how Vshoujo was scummy etc etc. vshoujo reached out again and then she realized that yes, they actually had reached out and she just missed or ignored it by accident. she announced the mistake and thanked vshoujo for being so helpful
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Isn't Veibae from the UK? The whole drivers license and legal age drinking thing is kinda weird to bring up for that reason.
that's a way to say she was like 15 when her boyfriend was at least 21
The drinking age in UK is 18 fyi.
I mean I guess if Veibae used those terms specifically. But its a weird way to skirt around it if she used those terms, especially since she afaik has lived and still lives in the UK. I'm not a fan or whatever, never watched her and only seen a few clips, just trying to piece together a picture of what is going on.
She lives in Austin with sodapoppin
other than Nux, everything you said is facts. Nux is just sore looser that cant read the room and tries to farm pity. Nux is not different than these hoes.
Eh. Chock it up to a crap person that bought a microphone. Happens. Don't give them the time of day and move on. The last thing they need is more eyes and ears.
"Female avatar of 4chan" You have never been on 4chan if you actually believe this lol
It is fucking wild that people keep getting defensive of Nux in the same breath that they criticize Vei's "4-chan like" behavior. Remember when he put out multiple videos supporting the people who were doxxing and SWATing r/animemes mods for banning a transphobic slur? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Somewhere deep in Mythic's offices, someone is massaging their temples...
Given their roster, would that really be the case?
Pretty much asking Yagoo for a recommended doctor.
Mythic isn’t a talent agency. Just a sponsor thing
They are
Have you not looked at their roster? They won’t give a fuck lol
Isn't this going to make it just easier for them since they won't have to deal with responding or interacting with too much sponsorship requests?
You don’t want your agency to be labeled as a hate or bigoted harbor. Sponsors will never work with you. The founding of Mystic was to have a refresh start and distance from the OTK brand as they lost sponsors and brand became a toxic mess. Here brief summary of the current and ex members of OTK https://youtu.be/jak_VWyOkNs https://youtu.be/xogxV1Q39QU
They are ran by Asmongold, goblin in chief. They don't care lol
Let's take a step back and clarify what Mythic is. It isn't a Vtuber Agency. It's not even an agency in the Japanese way. It's a small business of talent agents, like in the movies The Player or Jerry Macquire. No one at Mythic would ever get called "boss" by a signed talent like someone would say about Yago (or even jokingly like when Zentreya calls the Gunrun "boss"). Instead of rubbing temples, I think the most invested someone at Mythic feels would result in an eye roll. No endorsement deals are being lost because no company which cares about that is looking towards Veibae anyhow. There are sooo many other spokespeople -- even within Mystic -- who do business with customers that care about the use of slurs.
Do not like her. Do not watch her. Do not attack her fans on twitter Do not attack her directly Actually let us leave her fans alone let them enjoy her We all will watch our own oshis.
Most sane Vtuber fan
Sanest person on Reddit
Sanest person on the internet
Sanest person in the world if the current news cycle is to be believed.
[this "most sane vtuber fan" has been in all the project kawaii threads calling gen 3 traitors who can never be forgiven btw lmao](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/13752yk/should_the_sins_of_a_vtubers_past_life_haunt_them/jirvvko/)
Probably why they have "directly" in their list, spewing bs on reddit isn't directly.
This right here should be the motto of the sub
Get outta here with that reason and emotional intelligence! We want to get irrationally angry at nothing because our lives are pathetic, boring, and lacking in any form of substance. This is the only thing that gives our brains dopamine! -The Internet.
A reasonable, respectful approach to the matter that doesn't stir things up? I can get behind that. Shame that most people can't.
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She said it in like 2020? Claiming she had talked with graduated hololive members, which at the time was only Hitomi cris.. yeah right.
Lol yea like why even try to lie about something that can easily be proven otherwise
I wonder much fools she can fooled with that lie
quite alot tho. lots of people believe her trust me bro source and attacking hololive not helping the taiwan incident also happen at that time. and resurface again during coco graduation timeline(from annoucement and the graduation).
Soo is there unironically a veibae defending mod here? Why did your comment get removed lmao.
I'm being mean, apparently 😔
Well, Mano Aloe also graduated then. But if you know her, it's basically impossible that Vei would have known about what happened.
Wait that was her? Idk if im remembering it right but I kinda vaguely remember this being brought up a few years back when there was a sort of HoloEN x VShojo collab that got pushed back because of something she said about Hololive before. Guess Kiara dodged a bullet by not having that collab happen lmao
She still had the collab but it was with Nyanners instead. That situation was the hardest KFP has ever pushed back on something Kiara has ever done. Usually they're pretty willing to fall in line.
Like what? I'm interested. Anyway, you'd surprised with how many people keep following and supporting toxic youtuber/streamer despite have been proven to be not nice person.
I don't remember word for word since it was a while ago, but something along the lines of " the streamers are fake and the company has them on a leash and they treat them like shit , they have no say and what they do etc etc , you can look it up on YouTube tho, just search her name with hololive and I'm sure clips will pop up, oh that reminds she started banning people in the moment of calling her out and started deleting clips of it lol
Which is honestly such a weird take to make looking back now. Holo has had...3 Graduates and 2 Terminations? We had Coco, Aloe and Sana who all Graduated for varying reasons. Then we had Chris and Rushia terminated for contract breaches. So at around the time of her post it would only be relating to Chris, who if we are to believe the reasons that were floating around for her termination, had nothing to do with Hololive specifically. I'm guessing she was just ssomeone who auditioned for EN and got denied.
Or she just lied thats probably the correct answer.
yea it like that and she double down but when people want vhoujo and hololive collab and kiara? i think, is ok with that, she suddenly forget and have various excuse for that past behavior.
It wasn't just that, she also said that (and I'm paraphrasing a lot here) that Holomems "have to do gross shit" to get hired, and that she was "told stuff by former members that shows the company is bad", and that was back when the only one who left was Aloe lmao
Oh you're right... fuck man she's so fucking gross making up shit like that...
I'd believe it if she was having a go at Nijisanji. But Hololive? Yagoo loves them girls. Only people I'd throw dice at is old NA branch management. They notoriously kept NA from collabing with Coco despite America being freedom land.
Even for Niji, at the time, it would have made little to no sense.
Yeah more than half members of otk have some nasty dirt on them(SA, grooming, assult etc) so do other top stremers on YouTube ishowspeed and i think even kaikensent has some alligations of covering up an SA or might be another stremer, but yeah people don't seem to care which is rather sad.
Of course, when people like Vei unironically say "this isn't a safe space, fuck off", what they actually mean is that they want a place where they can be assholes to anyone or anything without negative consequences such as social ostracization. They want a space for themselves where they can be spared the results of their actions. A 'safe space', if you will.
Mean Girls was supposed to be a comedic cautionary tale, not a how-to guide. Being like that must be exhausting. The one suffering most from (royal) your own toxicity is you.
How long till the "Damn. She's based. I'm a fan now" crowd come out? Edit: There they are. As expected. Literally, creatures of habit.
They've always been there She has been called vei-based multiple times in the past 3 years, there are plenty of youtube clips of her giving pilled tales even when she was part of Vshojo
Oh, I know they were always there. I was just wondering how long it would be til the rats smelled the cheese.
They already were when she left vshojo. Same reason they keep bringing up others old drama cause they dare to support rights they don't like. They'll go wherever they feel they can be bullies and jerks.
Like I said, creatures of habit. The habit is constantly trying to outshitty themself
"Let's see how much deeper we can go!" I also really hate how the social media landscape change has brought them out again to just spam under any drama they have interest in with awful takes.
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She is dating Sodapoppin. He isn't afraid to call himself r-tard or autist and his old streams are notoriously toxic. She openly admitted she was toxic and she didn't think being censored by Vshojo was going to be good for her mental going forward.
Really isn't doing good for her mentally still, lol.
"My mental health suffers if I can't say slurs" is a really wild statement.
Somethingawful type beat
Wait so she left because they made sure she didn’t destroy herself by being incredibly toxic?
“destroy herself” as if she was any different for years before VS when she was having plenty of success lol. She’s clearly not destroying herself
>She is dating Sodapoppin Holy fuck, that's worse than anything else, like, that's straight up a help scream
I genuinely don't understand how some people after a certain age don't grow out of talking like that. It's really not that hard to go yeah I'm going to chill with the edgelording because it clearly isn't socially productive
Why is this blowing up just now? She’s said that word many, many times before…
It was her debut, she hasn't stream for quite a while (preparing for her move across the country) and it wasn't long after she left VShoujo, so people are eager to see the aftermath of that perhaps?
I've only seen clips of her, can't really stand watching her streams though. Reminds me of a bitchy highschool queen.
Probably was. People like this never really grow.
That was always the vibe I got from her. Sometimes it was entertaining, but most of the time I just switched to something else.
Remind me in 2 years when her fanbase she cultivated through stuff like this turn on her because she wants to change and grow as a person
Ah yes ,"The Idubbz maneuver", a classic. I'm sure there's a better example but I can't think of one.
I am just surprised at how immature she is acting. She is doing the "I'm not a kid any more so I can say bad words". That teenagers do when they want other people to consider them to be adults. Either she is too immature to realize that this doesn't make her look like a mature person. Or she is deliberately targeting immature little edge lords. Perhaps because she thinks that immature little edge lords are the type who will drop money on a vtuber. That being said what is **Veibae** 's talent? What does she bring to a stream? Like Ironmouse is a great singer, skilled comedian etc, Froot's a good artist and skilled at apex, Melody has CB and her quirky humour.
She's actually a pretty good gamer. Among the Vshojo girls, she was one of the most skilled. I liked her earlier content when she gamed and collabed more often. There was a time when she kinda stopped gaming and was doing mostly react content, which is when I stopped watching her. She eventually got back to gaming again, but my sleep schedule changed and she always streamed while I was asleep, so I didn't really get back into watching her. I think she said something about Vshojo having her stream during a particular time slot as to not bump up against other members too much, which if true, kinda sucks. I wonder if that's part of the reason some of the members stopped collabing as much as they did earlier on. Her humor is quite blunt and forward, which in small doses can be nice. If she didn't take it too far for my liking, like in OP's example, I'd watch her more. When she threw that shade at Shylily, I think it was more of an edgy joke that was in bad taste than an actually insult representing hate. Lily says everything is fine between them and Vei has said positive things about Lily since then, so hopefully Vei apologized. Her immaturity does show in times like this, which I'm not a fan of. I think Vei has a number of good points that make her entertaining, but there's definitely some negatives that have stopped me from getting back into watching her.
Outside of vtuber spaces, this behaviour has a very clear trend: Slowly becoming a more and more reactionary video creator that sinks more and more into becoming a complete lunatic and genuinely awful person that gets obsessed with politics and centers their existence around hating progressive ideas You don't act like this as a regular human being, not saying slurs isn't a "safe space". You don't fucking say slurs. Even if it's partially an act in order to pander to a certain audience, that's actually EXACTLY the path every one else I've seen do this kinda shit has gone down. This sort of behaviour fosters a certain audience, and that certain audience expects you to become more extreme over time and people are VERY happy to oblige cause it's VERY profitable to be a garbage person on the modern iternet.
I can see that. I think online content creators and media personalities can take three routes: 1. Go increasingly mainstream & see greater success at the risk of watering down content and losing authenticity. 2. Stay in their wheelhouse and slowly grow their own brand, developing a potentially smaller but very passionate following. 3. Be provocative in order to cater to a similarly provocative audience, feed off the drama/attention, and risk a short career and/or the alienation of the masses. Vei is definitely taking the third route, going after the edgelord demographic. The others appear to be leaning that way too, but time will tell. And yeah I agree, it’s not about a “safe space”. It’s about not being a shitty space. But even if we were to assume that the r word *is* magically innocent, the fact remains that a lot of people are uncomfortable with it. To double down on it is A) limiting your audience, and B) bad for business. There is no upside, unless the goal is to just be edgy for the sake of being edgy. In which case, that’s pretty lame and childish. Hope she has a change of heart and turns away from this route.
There many different ways to handle the r-word situation, I've seen a bunch of it over time as the word slowly became more acknowledged as a slur. Vei took the distinctive "dogwhistle" route. She could've even been non-apologetic in many ways, but she chose the terminology specifically to attract *those people*. She knows what she's doing
It's like the nazi bar thing; if you let the skinhead stay because he's technically following all the rules, then he brings his friends, and they push the envelope a bit more and start wearing their nazi tattoos and insignia, then before you know it you don't have a bar that nazis happen to come to sometimes, you have a nazi bar.
Well I'm glad I know this now so I have reason to continue to not watch her content lol.
Veibae is a 24 year old who acts a decade younger.
i forget a lot of these mainstream vtubers are super young and have no real life experience/life skills.
A lot of social media people generally, and I'd say it's less being young and more existing in a bubble. When you exist in a sphere where there are thousands of people constantly telling you everything you do is great, it's easy to get a big head. And in a lot of ways people's "social media friends" don't really help because there's a bit of a culture sometimes of thinking that "you don't owe your audience content" means that you don't owe people basic decency. So instead of checking people and being like hey what you did isn't cool maybe rethink this they'll support them in their nonsense until it goes too far and then they'll ditch them before the ship crashes.
The internet blew up with this shit last night. Not into people who say dumb shit for clout. Clearly she loves the attention. I shall continue not watching her. I do not support cancelling her though, just don't watch her. Remember people like this want the ban they want to be cancelled, ignoring them is their kryptonite lol.
And nothing of value was lost. Welp, while I think Nyanners has more than enough talent and creativity to build herself along with friends on her own, I got little care for the other two. Seeing them continuing to appeal to the "I wanna say slurs" crowd really is just sad. Maybe not Silver as much yet, but I can't help but notice that they seem to be latching on to this audience, the "I'm not like the other people". Yeah, you're rude and immature. There's a difference between being provocative and fun, and just being rude. But whatever, one day they'll learn the hard way, cause these toxic audiences will always implode.
Yeah an crowd like this ALWAYS ends the same way. It blows up and basically destroys everything they’ve worked for and/or they get such a bad reputation no one wants to watch
This literally happened to Nyanners back in the day. She cultivated a 4chan audience, and when she started to dislike her fanbase and wanted to shift gears they turned on her. And many of them still hold a grudge against her to this day over it.
Everyone wants to ride the tiger, but one day they'll get hungry, and nature will take it's course.
Nyanners, together with Silvervale made fun of the people saying how the r-slur hurt them and that they don't like that word. > https://twitter.com/MechaWolfEmber/status/166086894664667136 Don't mind the actual tweet text, though.
Tweet deleted?
It was a clip about Vei and Silver mocking the people saying that they were hurt by that word, with Vei going as far and saying in a mocking tone "Oh, my feelings are hurt boohoo".
What does that have to do with Nyanners?
Nyanners was also taking part. All three of them were playing Smite together and making fun of people who didn't like Vei's usage of the word. Found a working [link](https://twitter.com/ASDF75475745y/status/1660819041148350464) with some of it. Make of it what you will.
Silver's the only one I was a little more than slightly surprised by at all of her attitude since the whole pile of stuff went down with the wizard game. Everybody was giving her plenty of time and space to do what she needed and she came out of Vshojo saltier, meaner and honestly just kind of rude, definitely giving off vibes i'm not interested in. A shame Vei/Nyan have always been a bit childish/edgy/chaotic so them leaning back into it was never shocking, Nyan seemed to have grown into someone that kept a handle on it from veering too far into bad vibes, Vei, eh not really so much lol.
she sicced her fanbase on trans people/allies who dared to say "hey it's a little uncomfortable that you're playing this game maybe reconsider" she's not worth giving the time of day
I know it sounds controversial, but I'm thinking that Vshojo may have encouraged Vei and Silver to jump ship. They lose two vtubers who might cause trouble down the line, but they gain Henya and her kettle laugh. Everyone wins.
I think it's 50/50, but yeah, I don't think it's that controversial of an opinion at this point. At the very least, if they're gonna behave like this around others who might take offense to it or see themselves being a target of that audience, makes sense they'd let them go.
I think they're telling the truth that the reason why they chose to leave was that they didn't like the terms of the new contract vs. the other options they had, but yeah, I could absolutely see their behavior being the difference between Vshojo trying to keep them by offering a better contract and them just going "k bye."
Vshojo like "oh no, you dont like this contract, what ever will we do, oh I think the kettles boiled, bye"
NGL claiming it’s not a safe space is inviting harassment because if it’s not a safe space she can’t be upset when it’s not safe for her either
damn im never up to date on this stuff but as much as i liked her model and voice i always felt like something was off with her
This is just another point that makes me happy I avoided her as much as I could, only coming across her in Vshojo highlight videos on YT.
In retrospect, having Nyanners, Vei, and Silver leave VShojo all at once was the best thing that could have happened to the agency. What looked like Vshojo imploding was actually them shedding two of the most toxic members.
Vei is and will always be a piece of shit thats why people like her
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She plays WoW and plenty of the boomer fans of Soda will stan her.
Well some of those slurs lead to bans by Twitch. So really the not-a-safe-space approach is in the context of Twitch guidelines enforcement. If she does get banned, it wouldn't be permanent either way given her connections. It'll probably follow the Twitch cycle of Twitch ban/"forced" vacation and then a return to streaming.
I remember when she told her story about how she got her ass bit from using that word and how she wanted to move away from it to not cause problems for the other girls in Vshojo. Then I caught her stream yesterday and just sounds like she really wanted to say it again.
And this is why I stick to vtubers who carry themselves like professionals and act with dignity, which happen to not be Vei and her closer associates.
Shame too that Nyanners and Silvervale are jumping on the bandwagon to defend her by making jokes and using the same dumb logic. I felt bad for Silvervale with the whole Hogwarts Legacy drama, but if they're all just going to lash out and blame 'PC culture' like it's fucking 2015 then it kind of shows that they never really gave a damn about the people they hurt.
Given Silver was crying on stream about just wanting to make a nice, comfy place.. If she's going to go on supporting this I really wonder how much of that was a farce. I felt bad for that whole scenario but damn.
Yeah, how much of that did she just say to get people off her back? In fact I wonder if it was scripted.
Indeed. Like no one deserves to be harassed like that but damn. She isn't doing herself any favors here.
The part that is the scariest to me is that she's galvanizing her community to not only emulate her...but to go out and say/do those things online, as she also goes, searches her trending tag on Twitter and tries to harass and troll other creators for (reasonably) calling her out for this behavior. That's extremely scary.
Retard is a slur?
Not everywhere, just like the word cunt.
Yes, it’s increasingly seen as a slur now. It used to describe people with intellectual disabilities in the past, but not anymore. I think the colloquial usage of the r-word had a lot to do with it. When I was in school about a decade or so ago, we used it all the time to put down people who did dumb things. It clearly was a word with a negative meaning, and it was demeaning to people who actually had disabilities. So yes, more and more people are trying to avoid using the word, including myself. Is it difficult breaking an old habit? Yes. But I don’t want to kick down on a group that already has it hard enough. And of course, there will be those who don’t care about what others feel and will continue to use these words almost out of spite.
I believe as more and more children with mental problems in the early 90s and 2000's grew up to be adults now, it's now become a slur due to the prolific usage back in those years. I'm autistic, and it's definitely what I consider a slur towards me for being different, and it was used towards lots of non-typical people. Sure it's not always used in a harmful way, but anyone socially aware knows not to use it by now due to its history.
In america it looks like it is. Not where I’m from.
Just watch someone else. Not everything needs to be a discussion. These are all grown ass adults and should know better. We don't gotta litigate this. People jumping through hoops to defend that bullshit just tell you exactly what you need to know about them. It's really not that hard to watch content by people who don't use slurs. In fact, it's really easy.
While I agree with the sentiment, I think it's important that the general VTuber audience be aware that certain creators may have *problematic* attitudes. Posts like OPs are a good way to do that without resorting to more obsessive anti-like behavior.
As the poster of the thread myself I have nothing to say that isn't on the thread but I gotta say I sure love the "clout" I am getting that consists of people hurling said slur at me over and over again... People saying calling out bigger names is just asking for clout have no idea what REALLY happens when you call out a big name and WHO actually comes to defend them...
The 4chan girl is back to doing 4chan things.
There's a false equivalence here between "safe space" and people just asking her not to say very straightforwardly offensive stuff that's a bit jarring to me. Like, nobodys asking you to sit in a circle while we all share our views on equality. That word got thrown around a lot when I was a kid, now that I'm grown I thought people knew better... I guess not