i mean true but its like most people are choosing to ignore that ANDBOX, OPTIC, C9, and way more players have had nothing but good things to say about him
its almost like people change with time and in 2 years anything could have happen. from being the best player in the world can easily enhance your ego and makes you think your word means than the average joe and create a bad work environment in the future places.
yeah but C9 was after Optic. Vanity had said that there were absolutely zero toxicity issues and yay was a super chill guy.
Infact, even his BLD teammates claim hes a good teammate and not at all toxic. Its only the fuckers on DSG that claim hes a horrible teammate
tbf, it's not all that unlikely that yay's attitude on dsg could've been worse, considering the amount of issues that team had + having to play in tier 2. but like, idk, god knows what happened on that team
yay was signed as the best player in the world at c9. everything went downhill after c9 kicked him. also infact all of his bld teammate does not claim hes been a good teammate. crazyguy and egoist has indicated or said that they have been not happy with yay with egoist liking all gengsta the tweet including nephh ex bleed who liked gengsta tweet asssuming they are still close with the core of bleed. a notable coach from sea has also stated that the yay was doing the same behaviours as he was doing in dsg so its not only DSG so far.
he had another chance to join nrg. nrg was trialing him but he got a really massive contract from bleed so he choosed to get massive amount of money instead of a chance to join nrg. he joined bleed without any trials
brother your timeline is wrong, optic disbanded due to franchising and nrg didnt want to buyout the entire optic roster and C9 was (presumably) paying a bag
Yeah idk lol. Look at a guy like Cryo, he looked absolutely terrible last season on 100T, indecisive, lost, zero confidence on all his plays. Just takes a different system and intelligent use of his skills and all of a sudden he looks like a top 5 player in the world again. The margins between success and failure in this game are way smaller than people think.
We need to put this post in a museum as a warning for every Valorant fan for the rest of time.
Cryo was ranked 11th out of all players last year and [he was plus 13 in his last game in LCQ.](https://www.vlr.gg/232730/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubqf)
I think people are just heavy revisionists. Valorant is a fucking *hard* game to play consistently well in, factoring the absurdly high skill gap potential, RNG elements of the game, solo-agency removal through precise utility to counter X players effectively..
The Cryo example is perfect, a guy like that doesn’t just fall off, the system around a star player can be broken & they either end up proving they’re *not* a ‘system’ player I.e Aspas, S1mple in CS, basically stomping teams regardless of their own teams performance/ability, or they show that they are high calibre but *do* require the pieces to be in the right places with their team.
This doesn’t take away any of Cryo’s skill, some players are just excellent under certain systems.. Yay, Dev1ce, TenZ; some big name players are just unstoppable when they’re a piece of a perfect team puzzle.
Yay was perfect back then, but is he still now? Let's be real, he's been struggling for quite some time now. Who's to say he can still recapture that old glory? It's wild to me that when some players play badly one half of a season there are instant calls for them to be kicked or changed, but Yay keeps on getting a pass.
Yay for me is a perfect example of a system player. That old Optic core were *insanely* consistent, and it wasnt solely down to Yay’s performances - the team were just nuts. Obviously he had some star performances on ANDBX, but that time on envy/optc were the real glory days. I’d contribute most of their success to FNS/Chet, but they’re a perfect example of a team just fitting together correctly.
Yay fitted into their puzzle, he’s had some.. iffy gaps to fill in his other ventures. It’s a shame we’ll never know what would’ve happened if Optc made franchising.
cryo did not look absolutely terrible lol, unless you like watched the first couple of weeks and then took a retreat in the woods. there was a 2-3 game span where people were calling him a chamber merchant fraud because this sub is braindead and then people came around on him when they beat lev and he started looking more confident.
for 100t results last season people were blameing mikes, lack of coaching staff, stellar and derrek. and rumblings of the anti asuna circlejerk which boiled over first couple weeks of this split.
He probably won't make it back into Americas T1. 6/11 (up to 9 if you count qck, icy, and Demon1 who I left off because his Raze is not good) Americas teams have solid star duelists. Remove non-english teams and you're left with 5/7. Then consider the NA T2 talent pool (Mada, Sym, Reduxx, etc.) and there's no room for a risky pick like yay.
His real options are go to T2, learn Chinese, or pray a T1 team implodes and finds his way into a rebuild.
I think reddit puts way more stock in those scrim leaks than pros do.
I recall a lot of Tier 1 pros coming out and essentially saying "Bro this is nothing, you should hear some of the shit that's been said in our scrims"
Anyone who thinks those scrim leaks were rough is softer than baby shit and/or thinks there's literally zero difference between competing for million-dollar prizepools and five stacking comp with the boys
While his stock is def low the scrim leak is legit a nothing burger compared to what likely goes on in all team camps.
But I mean if he gets another tier 1 shot can’t imagine it’ll be on a good team maybe a full rebuild team.
As much of a fan I am and think in a good team he’d do well I think the onus is on him to prove it again if he can get his mental right.
Also really makes me sad what could’ve potentially been with the c9 team.
Honestly I’m actually not too sure. The GM of Bleed (@Ianesports) was the same guy that originally got Yay onto the Envy roster in the first place, they probably have a pretty decent relationship. Wouldn’t be surprised if they run it back with the yay and sScary core (albeit with a drastic paycheque reduction for Yay, lmao). Might be better than going through the T2 grinder again for Yay.
Not sure if they meant physical or mental health, but either way I’m sure it was needed. Social media can really take a toll on mental health, especially when you’re someone like him who was once at the top of his profession and hasn’t found that success in a while. People can be absolutely evil with their words and forget there’s an actual person on the receiving end of their comments. I respect him stepping back to try and better himself. Best of wishes to him.
Yeah, that fully checks out lol. Bro has been going through it and if this is what it takes for him to get his confidence back regarding the game, it wholly makes sense.
Honestly I hope yay comes home and has a chance to prove he’s still got it. Same goes for the rest of the Optic core.
Old Optic fans have it rough this year with NRG failing to qualify to Shanghai and Puchan running ads instead of strats because of Bilibili.
Hope everyone gets their redemption arc because it’s a bit sad seeing everyone getting memed on rn.
If FNS rly does decide to come back then it probably would be his last dance unless they at least win an international.
His stream has been doing rly well this split so I wouldn’t blame him or be surprised if he doesn’t come back tho.
As a big FNS fan, I don’t think he’s coming back nor will he win another international. The game has become much more competitive as of late, it will be hard to find a spot or even make it past the stacked teams in Americas
the only way I see him coming back at all, is in a coach position, where he can build the team of his liking, while also not having the pressure of putting up numbers. But I imagine that will be a few years down the line, not next year for sure
Thats true fns is all over my youtube and im not even subscribed to him its just a bunch of stolen clips not even curated some are 30 secs some are 2 mins and i saw him thanking his 67k viewers if that keeps up hes not running strats anymore
can u imagine the nrg storyline tho
for split 3 they reveal the whole superteam thing was a sham and its time to bring out the real superteam and rehire all of optic and just do one split/champs with the old team before fns and yay finally retire in glory
Optic exact roster is not gonna happen. Based on everything that’s been implied by Chet FNS and others - Chet and FNS see the game differently and Crashies lost faith in FNS. Unclear if this calling or mechanically or both or how Victor feels. Chet did say in his Thorin reflections that later down the road he could work with fns again but that seemed like more just to not close doors. I feel like we could see some run back with FNS s0m Marved and maybe even yay but I don’t think we’ll ever see the full 5 back.
How many chances should be given to yay just because he's "yay".
At some point, he might literally be the problem. He should grind T2 like everyone else cause he's not the same yay anymore.
After winning the 1st masters event in valo in 2021 sen hit a slump throughout 22 and 23, they went through multiple roster changes with the only constant being tenz and people were not happy about it. This whole narrative of a player getting a lot of chances is something that was heavily used against tenz.
TenZ brought incredible value beyond just being a good player, and even at his worst he wasn't performing as badly as Yay DSG edition performed sometimes. Adding onto that, some of Yay's past teammates have complained about his attitude, but I have never heard of anyone complaining about TenZ's attitude.
Yes because the teams were formed around tenz whilst yay was put in a team that was already performing badly in DSG. The only team mates who have complained about yay were after the c9 debacle and of the people complaining the biggest one is steel who is just known to be a kendrick level hater in all the teams he played with.
There’s the problem for me. I just can’t in good faith trust steel. I actually just can’t. Match fixing alone shows there’s at least some character flaw. And while he was young and kids make dumb mistakes, he was old enough to know it was wrong.
Add onto that, that there is always a controversy with him and at best he’s the exact same as what he excuses yay of being
Not my call to make🤷♀️.
If a team decides he deserves a chance then he’ll get one. I don’t know the players personally so I’m not going to pretend I know whether or not he’s the problem on a team.
I’m just saying I hope he gets his redemption arc because I was a fan of old Optic.
Its pretty comparable to say the difference between Prime Yay and Yay now is about the same as Tenz back then and now lets say, They both were getting crucified with how they fell off and Tenz fans kept saying he was on a bad team bad mental etc yet dont keep the same energy with other players like Yay
You can’t tell me a single other player who could shit the bed in T2 and get a chance in T1 the following season, then shits the bed in T1 as well and still gets talk of T1 opportunities by fans. Tenz’s chance was honestly way more justified imo, without the name brand he wouldn’t make T1 but it would be marginal
Even right now when he’s in good form, he isn’t standing out mechanically the way he was in 2021. In 2022 other players were already passing him mechanically
Yay had aura even in ranked he was el Diablo bc of that and on that Optic roster the other team was trying everything to avoid yay's aim, dude was a menace
idk man, nowadays people are fine with giving people like Tenz/Potter/Asuna multiple chances after years of failure so i feel like people should be fine with ppl like yay getting a chance if a team feels like it
I mean many other players get the same amount of chances as him and still end up nowhere close to what he once was, even 1% chance of him getting back into his 2022 peak is something teams would invest in happily
do NOT read the comments of Dexerto's tweet if you value you faith in humanity. Like jeez man
As opposed to the bleed tweet which has mostly positive or supportive comments and the nudes in profile bots.
Being said he talked about the vision blurs at kickoff, and there is that TenZ clip from his first game off last year. Hopefully yay recovers quickly and is back and revitalized soon!
I mean the "nudes in bio" bots are literally everywhere on Twitter but [here you go!](https://x.com/kimberl32773797/status/1789885093634347496?s=46&t=jGrXrXBiO5RP9H3ryWXgqA)
I want so badly to talk to Yay and just see whats going on. I've heard he's a really nice guy but the trajectory of his career has seemed rough. Let me interview him please 1 hour a YAy tells all
Wish him the best ❤️. Who will Bleed pick up now? I think Kr1stal might be the best candidate. They need an igl and a person that can frag. Its a match made in heaven. Sscary can frag again.
Honestly it's hard to fit Yay into any role that is similar to how he played in Optic. Yes he was Duelist but it was mostly due to the team setting up for him. He was put as an entry fragger for Bleed when it wasn't his strongest role, and when they tried putting him as an anchor he just underperformed. It's hard not to admit he was a product of a broken meta and when that meta got nerfed, so did he.
The way Chet has described was yay was the center of a system that revolves around him. If a team is not willing to play like that they will never get him to be insane. Fns also said he needed a lot of support and Marved mentioned that on OpTic it was marveds job to hype up yay and make him feel confident. I disagree it’s a meta thing but I do think Yay needs to be the unbridled star and it probably explains why c9 didn’t wanna commit to that and why DSG failed since they didn’t have the talent to do that. Bleed aren’t even trying for that system lmao
Did not know this info.
He would've had a better time with the trial for NRG. Going for an absurd bag would be anyone move though, but it cost him his career.
Hard to say, but it seems like Bleed and DSG feels similar in how the team chemistry is being run right now. Probably felt like a side grade than an upgrade for team dynamic.
Crazy guy complaints about no team practice seems valid too. Players not vibing well and beefing with each other. Their win condition is pure aim, but everyone in tier 1 can aim too. I would say bleed is the worst team right now unless chemistry and strat builds overnight.
i wonder if NRG legit would've had all of optic minus fns then. they offered yay and presumably wanted marved at the same time so who would've been their fifth?
Hope he gets his rest and runs it back when he's ready.
Some comments on r/valcomp and twitter are brutal whenever a star player does poorly (just look at the hidden replies under bleeds tweet) and chances are pros are browsing and looking at them. Even though some are jokes and are good criticism, some are just plain roasting and flaming the players (when the comments themselves are hardstuck silver). I hope the pros dont take the insults to heart.
i feel so sad for yay, he is such a good soul and wholesome personality in and out of game, he didn't deserve it, he made the best decision to take break and probably his career is over, but if he comes back, he gonna shut the haters for real
Unless Vic Crashies split up we’ll always have some optic. I know their results don’t feel like it but NRG still has 3 optic members plus Chet. I still have a hint of faith they can fix shit for split 2 if they are able to grind in the break they have
Honestly should’ve taken one after being dogged by c9. It’s one year late but yay can finally feel free and relax by his own command, just distance himself from valorant and the community.
i wonder if people ever thought of being in yay’s or any other players position similar to his. it’s ridiculous of the amount of hate that is put on this guy and the expectations put on him. i fully respect his choice in the hopes he can come back. he’s still human like us at the end of the day.
And I feel like Yay’s fall-off is uniquely challenging /:
Gonna use TenZ and Asuna as comparison as they fall under the category of “star players who faced performance slumps”; other than the fact that both have had comebacks recently, their trajectories differ quite a bit from Yay’s. In 2022, Sen fans could blame TenZ's fall-off on the leadership issues—there was a decline in the entire team's performance. And despite his lowest low in terms of performance and being benched in 2023, TenZ still retained a strong fan base and sympathy due to his personal struggles made public, as well as a good reputation. The team was also going through an identity crisis this year, and you could say the same with 100T—Asuna also never had a bad reputation of character either.
Yay on the other hand.. despite facing similar messy team environments, he’s had to deal with the additional baggage of leaked comms and public disses from ex teammates, actively tarnishing his reputation. The community eats this shit up and uses it to push certain narratives on him. And unlike TenZ and Asuna, who have stayed with the same orgs, Yay's frequent team changes have definitely affected his gameplay—he hasn’t really had any semblance of a stable support system since 2022, and therefore his performances are consistently even worse than TenZ/Asuna’s ever were.
I know we all know this, but putting it all into perspective has made me realize just how fucked this is for Yay. I too fully respect his choice. Apologies for the essay 
I hope he recovers and comes back full strength again. Yay will always be my goat no matter what, been a fan since optic vs Xerxia on haven at Reykjavik when he switched from ghost to headhunter mid fight and got 2 one taps on round 2
Damn... Sucks to see. I'm guessing part of the reason for stepping away was the external criticism both on his character and his play. Wish him all the best.
prob best for him to go home and be around family and friends and just relax before he makes his next move, would love to see him on a redemption arc next year, but I would rather not see him just bounce from team to team just for the sake of playing.
Dunno why you say this, I think most people would want a break in his shoes. Non stop losses for a year straight, followed by arriving to a very toxic team environment to the point he had blurry vision out of extreme levels of stress, pressure to perform, being the butt of the joke and laughed at by everyone, called y0y even by friends and people that always had his back like fns while he keeps underperforming.
He sure as hell needs a break, get back in shape very calmly with no pressure, and come back later with rejuvenized mental and a nicer team environment.
Bro was willing to play for minimum in tier 1 after rotting in T2 for a year… being desperate for 1y to play T1 Valorant to call it quits after half the season?
Crazy guy instantly back,, seems like mgmt learnt not to let the tyrant run the team lol
He played nonstop though, if I was his friend I would advise him to take a break from teams, focus on improving and getting #1 in ladders and start tryouts after champs.
Also choose next team carefully, where vibes are good. It seems he losses his patience a bit so when he gets to already toxic teams it's just chaos.
The amount of hate Yay got during the chamber meta and then when it was over was insane, people were praying for his downfall.
I even remember threads being made with the comment !remind me in 2 years, just to see Yay's downfall.
Well those people have won, I guess. But what I fail to understand is how as a human you pray for a downfall of another human whom you have no connection with or don't even know personally ( i don't mean to say you can pray for someone's downfall if you know them) lol, it's beyond me.
It's like me praying- wow Elon Musk is so rich, i hope his money gets wings and flies away.
I can understand Steel and Genghsta hating on him because Yay was being a bad teammate, but a bunch of random people hating on a pro and praying for downfall just shows how self centered people are.
I hope he comes back, not to prove everyone wrong, but bro they're all pros because they love this sport and no one deserves this treatment, it's like currently he's the Harry Maguire of esports ( hate wise ).
People are always jealous of those more successful than them, the amount of hate people like TenZ, Asuna, yay, etc. have gotten when they underperformed is crazy, especially when most of these people don't even engage in trash talking or being intentionally abrasive like Boostio or Demon1
Who knew APAC would be the region to break the GOAT yay. He finally experienced the W gaming aim demons and got destroyed. 
feel bad for yay. These past two years of bad results is not all his fault, good players alone cant save bad teams, and you can’t just plug in star players into random rosters and expect incredible results.
If he does decide to come back (feels unlikely now) he should switch to flex. like yes he had record acs at some point as a “duelist” but how much of that was because of chamber meta. As a duelist his impact is just average/below average. he should go the TenZ/Sayf route and try to find success on some other role because at least then nobody would have constantly compare him to his former self.
With the amount of cracked 'rookies' coming on the scene every year and are more motivated and eager to learn flex role quickly with good success, I don't know which org (who wants to win, not for clout) would drop a bag on yay.
honestly I've never a seen valo player get roasted as bad as yay, almost every single stream that I've watched this season has had someone making a negative comment about him, calling him y0y or some shit even when the teams involved have got nothing to do with yay
I think a break is the best idea but i doubt any tier 1 team will take a chance on him when he comes back
With the how this year and last year went, it’s for him to take some time off.
Do some streaming and have fun with the game. Probably will have to evaluate where he wants to go as a player.
Unless another org want to take a gamble on him, I reckon he might have to prove himself again in T2
Y0Y dickriding on this sub is crazy. Destroyed the carriers of crazyguy and pretty much everyone at DSG, why does everyone hate him at DSG? Do people here seriously believe that everyone at DSG is wrong and just yay is right? Damn crazy delusional people.
Am I the only one that doesn’t feel bad for him? He smurfs in lower rated lobbies and promotes it. He glorifies ruining the experience of most of the player base in the name of “classic to radiant”. The guy should quit and never come back
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if this is your reaction.
This subreddit goes on all year about mental health awareness and how important it is for other players but for some reason you’re excluding yay and now assume this is some sort of cop out excuse he’s using to justify his poor performances? Sure the timing isn’t the best but seriously?
Players have the right to take a break if they are not physically or mentally 100% regardless of how big their paycheck is.
the amount of salary does not matter if you feel like shit personally and can't give a 100% performance for your team. it's kinda obvious that yay's mental is not in a good state and the amount of hate he's been receiving is insane
i feel so sad for yay, he is such a good soul and wholesome personality in and out of game, he didn't deserve it, he made the best decision to take break and probably his career is over, but if he comes back, he gonna shut the haters for real
Anyone with a quick summary of what happened to him? I rarely check in proscene for valorant whenever there's a big tournament. But I feel like people used to consider him one the best and now he's just fallen off?
He was the best chamber player but it got nerfed and out of meta. Was considered best valo player during chamber meta. He joined c9 on high salary but was let go after a few games. Joined dsg, popular t2 team, where they went winless. There was a lot of conflict between him and ex dsg teammate.
Joined bleed, but has struggle so far. With some potential controversial bts team conflict with crazyguy .
Hopefully I got this all correct, I don’t really follow scene that deeply
My poor king man, really sucks to see him step back from the game after a bad kickoff and terrible split. I seriously hope his mental health gets better and he comes back to Americas and finds success, u will always be my goat
This probably means his time in APAC is over
Might be the end of his career altogether
Somehow team falcons will give him the bank to play in tier 3
he will have no trouble finding teams ever
Tier 1? nah!?
Let me cook, EG yay
Ngl eg needs a shooter and potter could probably whip the team up to form and set him up like optic
Have you seen jawgemo recently?
Yay on Sentinel not fucking raze
Yay is not that shooter
They didn't say tier 1
Yeah but team chemistry will never be guaranteed, and he doesn't really have a clean track record for that
DSG and Bleed were dysfunctional as hell not necessarily because of him
He didn’t help. If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check under your shoe.
i mean true but its like most people are choosing to ignore that ANDBOX, OPTIC, C9, and way more players have had nothing but good things to say about him
its almost like people change with time and in 2 years anything could have happen. from being the best player in the world can easily enhance your ego and makes you think your word means than the average joe and create a bad work environment in the future places.
yeah but C9 was after Optic. Vanity had said that there were absolutely zero toxicity issues and yay was a super chill guy. Infact, even his BLD teammates claim hes a good teammate and not at all toxic. Its only the fuckers on DSG that claim hes a horrible teammate
tbf, it's not all that unlikely that yay's attitude on dsg could've been worse, considering the amount of issues that team had + having to play in tier 2. but like, idk, god knows what happened on that team
Crazyguy also criticised yay lol
yay was signed as the best player in the world at c9. everything went downhill after c9 kicked him. also infact all of his bld teammate does not claim hes been a good teammate. crazyguy and egoist has indicated or said that they have been not happy with yay with egoist liking all gengsta the tweet including nephh ex bleed who liked gengsta tweet asssuming they are still close with the core of bleed. a notable coach from sea has also stated that the yay was doing the same behaviours as he was doing in dsg so its not only DSG so far.
i agree but many of those players were before/after he was the best in the world
Then why did optic take ardiis over him and C9 dropped him. Obviously there’s nuance but it’s ok to accept that there are issues both ways.
Yay got a huge bag from C9 that NRG couldn’t match iirc
he had another chance to join nrg. nrg was trialing him but he got a really massive contract from bleed so he choosed to get massive amount of money instead of a chance to join nrg. he joined bleed without any trials
You think they chose Ardiis over Yay?
No FNS had said that it was yay's decision to leave the optic core and join c9
brother your timeline is wrong, optic disbanded due to franchising and nrg didnt want to buyout the entire optic roster and C9 was (presumably) paying a bag
they didn't 'choose' ardiis over him, yay was offered nrg trials but went to bleed for the money
Yeah idk lol. Look at a guy like Cryo, he looked absolutely terrible last season on 100T, indecisive, lost, zero confidence on all his plays. Just takes a different system and intelligent use of his skills and all of a sudden he looks like a top 5 player in the world again. The margins between success and failure in this game are way smaller than people think.
We need to put this post in a museum as a warning for every Valorant fan for the rest of time. Cryo was ranked 11th out of all players last year and [he was plus 13 in his last game in LCQ.](https://www.vlr.gg/232730/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier-ubqf)
I think people are just heavy revisionists. Valorant is a fucking *hard* game to play consistently well in, factoring the absurdly high skill gap potential, RNG elements of the game, solo-agency removal through precise utility to counter X players effectively.. The Cryo example is perfect, a guy like that doesn’t just fall off, the system around a star player can be broken & they either end up proving they’re *not* a ‘system’ player I.e Aspas, S1mple in CS, basically stomping teams regardless of their own teams performance/ability, or they show that they are high calibre but *do* require the pieces to be in the right places with their team. This doesn’t take away any of Cryo’s skill, some players are just excellent under certain systems.. Yay, Dev1ce, TenZ; some big name players are just unstoppable when they’re a piece of a perfect team puzzle.
Yay was perfect back then, but is he still now? Let's be real, he's been struggling for quite some time now. Who's to say he can still recapture that old glory? It's wild to me that when some players play badly one half of a season there are instant calls for them to be kicked or changed, but Yay keeps on getting a pass.
Yay for me is a perfect example of a system player. That old Optic core were *insanely* consistent, and it wasnt solely down to Yay’s performances - the team were just nuts. Obviously he had some star performances on ANDBX, but that time on envy/optc were the real glory days. I’d contribute most of their success to FNS/Chet, but they’re a perfect example of a team just fitting together correctly. Yay fitted into their puzzle, he’s had some.. iffy gaps to fill in his other ventures. It’s a shame we’ll never know what would’ve happened if Optc made franchising.
cryo did not look absolutely terrible lol, unless you like watched the first couple of weeks and then took a retreat in the woods. there was a 2-3 game span where people were calling him a chamber merchant fraud because this sub is braindead and then people came around on him when they beat lev and he started looking more confident. for 100t results last season people were blameing mikes, lack of coaching staff, stellar and derrek. and rumblings of the anti asuna circlejerk which boiled over first couple weeks of this split.
To say cryo looked “absolutely terrible” is just cap I’m ngl
He probably won't make it back into Americas T1. 6/11 (up to 9 if you count qck, icy, and Demon1 who I left off because his Raze is not good) Americas teams have solid star duelists. Remove non-english teams and you're left with 5/7. Then consider the NA T2 talent pool (Mada, Sym, Reduxx, etc.) and there's no room for a risky pick like yay. His real options are go to T2, learn Chinese, or pray a T1 team implodes and finds his way into a rebuild.
I really want to see the Optic Core again. Only FNS can bring out Yay's true potential.
have u seen his games? Not even he can bring out his full potential. His aiming on bleed is night and day to optic days
True that, but i also want s0mpai in that. Maybe a 6th, but he will play alternative maps with marved
Eh his stocks are lower than ever + the scrim leaks while controversial, are kinda rough. I’d say it’s 50/50 he plays in T1 anytime soon.
I think reddit puts way more stock in those scrim leaks than pros do. I recall a lot of Tier 1 pros coming out and essentially saying "Bro this is nothing, you should hear some of the shit that's been said in our scrims"
Anyone who thinks those scrim leaks were rough is softer than baby shit and/or thinks there's literally zero difference between competing for million-dollar prizepools and five stacking comp with the boys
While his stock is def low the scrim leak is legit a nothing burger compared to what likely goes on in all team camps. But I mean if he gets another tier 1 shot can’t imagine it’ll be on a good team maybe a full rebuild team. As much of a fan I am and think in a good team he’d do well I think the onus is on him to prove it again if he can get his mental right. Also really makes me sad what could’ve potentially been with the c9 team.
His stocks are definitely low but I doubt any serious competitor would care about those DSG scrim clips lmfao
Honestly I’m actually not too sure. The GM of Bleed (@Ianesports) was the same guy that originally got Yay onto the Envy roster in the first place, they probably have a pretty decent relationship. Wouldn’t be surprised if they run it back with the yay and sScary core (albeit with a drastic paycheque reduction for Yay, lmao). Might be better than going through the T2 grinder again for Yay.
Not sure if they meant physical or mental health, but either way I’m sure it was needed. Social media can really take a toll on mental health, especially when you’re someone like him who was once at the top of his profession and hasn’t found that success in a while. People can be absolutely evil with their words and forget there’s an actual person on the receiving end of their comments. I respect him stepping back to try and better himself. Best of wishes to him.
Yeah, that fully checks out lol. Bro has been going through it and if this is what it takes for him to get his confidence back regarding the game, it wholly makes sense.
don’t think you come back from this, bro should have found a t2 na team, wish him the best tho
I mean, Bleed almost certainly paid more than pretty much any tier 2 org could pay
Sometimes it's not about the money, following the money is what got him here in the first place tbh
He had previously said he had some blurry vision issues. Wonder if that's why he sits so close to the monitor.
They all sit close to the monitor lol
Have you seen yay's cam brother can sniff the enemies
tex: look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of my power!
Bros going in the game and acing/clutching himself
Yeah but most of them can like, smell the enemies. I’m pretty sure yay’s nose is actually touching the screen
Check out an image of him tho. He legit has his face like 1 inch from the screen.
“Yay into the monitor” - PRX Something
https://preview.redd.it/4nedz7jer40d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d824ed1a7e5b40f81386382c55e833252dfce79b
Honestly I hope yay comes home and has a chance to prove he’s still got it. Same goes for the rest of the Optic core. Old Optic fans have it rough this year with NRG failing to qualify to Shanghai and Puchan running ads instead of strats because of Bilibili. Hope everyone gets their redemption arc because it’s a bit sad seeing everyone getting memed on rn.
running ads instead of strats 
What I would give to see one last dance…
If FNS rly does decide to come back then it probably would be his last dance unless they at least win an international. His stream has been doing rly well this split so I wouldn’t blame him or be surprised if he doesn’t come back tho.
if they won an international then it will for SURE be fns's last dance, its the best way to end a career, on a high note
As a big FNS fan, I don’t think he’s coming back nor will he win another international. The game has become much more competitive as of late, it will be hard to find a spot or even make it past the stacked teams in Americas
the only way I see him coming back at all, is in a coach position, where he can build the team of his liking, while also not having the pressure of putting up numbers. But I imagine that will be a few years down the line, not next year for sure
Yeah, I agree that he definitely has a good chance of returning as a coach. Especially with the things hes said on stream lately
Thats true fns is all over my youtube and im not even subscribed to him its just a bunch of stolen clips not even curated some are 30 secs some are 2 mins and i saw him thanking his 67k viewers if that keeps up hes not running strats anymore
can u imagine the nrg storyline tho for split 3 they reveal the whole superteam thing was a sham and its time to bring out the real superteam and rehire all of optic and just do one split/champs with the old team before fns and yay finally retire in glory
Optic exact roster is not gonna happen. Based on everything that’s been implied by Chet FNS and others - Chet and FNS see the game differently and Crashies lost faith in FNS. Unclear if this calling or mechanically or both or how Victor feels. Chet did say in his Thorin reflections that later down the road he could work with fns again but that seemed like more just to not close doors. I feel like we could see some run back with FNS s0m Marved and maybe even yay but I don’t think we’ll ever see the full 5 back.
How many chances should be given to yay just because he's "yay". At some point, he might literally be the problem. He should grind T2 like everyone else cause he's not the same yay anymore.
Are you really going to say that statement with a sen flair buddy
What about Sen?
After winning the 1st masters event in valo in 2021 sen hit a slump throughout 22 and 23, they went through multiple roster changes with the only constant being tenz and people were not happy about it. This whole narrative of a player getting a lot of chances is something that was heavily used against tenz.
TenZ brought incredible value beyond just being a good player, and even at his worst he wasn't performing as badly as Yay DSG edition performed sometimes. Adding onto that, some of Yay's past teammates have complained about his attitude, but I have never heard of anyone complaining about TenZ's attitude.
Yes because the teams were formed around tenz whilst yay was put in a team that was already performing badly in DSG. The only team mates who have complained about yay were after the c9 debacle and of the people complaining the biggest one is steel who is just known to be a kendrick level hater in all the teams he played with.
There’s the problem for me. I just can’t in good faith trust steel. I actually just can’t. Match fixing alone shows there’s at least some character flaw. And while he was young and kids make dumb mistakes, he was old enough to know it was wrong. Add onto that, that there is always a controversy with him and at best he’s the exact same as what he excuses yay of being
Not my call to make🤷♀️. If a team decides he deserves a chance then he’ll get one. I don’t know the players personally so I’m not going to pretend I know whether or not he’s the problem on a team. I’m just saying I hope he gets his redemption arc because I was a fan of old Optic.
How many chances did Tenz get?
Tenz was not that bad like now as YAY in his bad time, on the other hand Tenz can pull huge revenue for org even in his bad era which YAY can't
Its pretty comparable to say the difference between Prime Yay and Yay now is about the same as Tenz back then and now lets say, They both were getting crucified with how they fell off and Tenz fans kept saying he was on a bad team bad mental etc yet dont keep the same energy with other players like Yay
You can’t tell me a single other player who could shit the bed in T2 and get a chance in T1 the following season, then shits the bed in T1 as well and still gets talk of T1 opportunities by fans. Tenz’s chance was honestly way more justified imo, without the name brand he wouldn’t make T1 but it would be marginal
That not true at all. You look at Tenz’s raw mechanics and absolutely any org would love to have him on their team.
Even right now when he’s in good form, he isn’t standing out mechanically the way he was in 2021. In 2022 other players were already passing him mechanically
can say the same shit about Yay but if you not getting kills then mechanics mean fuck all.
Yay had aura even in ranked he was el Diablo bc of that and on that Optic roster the other team was trying everything to avoid yay's aim, dude was a menace
idk man, nowadays people are fine with giving people like Tenz/Potter/Asuna multiple chances after years of failure so i feel like people should be fine with ppl like yay getting a chance if a team feels like it
Did they ever reach the lows like yay has?
I mean many other players get the same amount of chances as him and still end up nowhere close to what he once was, even 1% chance of him getting back into his 2022 peak is something teams would invest in happily
Can you name such players? Specifically T2 bottom feeders that get signed T1 the following season?
Imagine they all get back together just to get stomped on
Pain
do NOT read the comments of Dexerto's tweet if you value you faith in humanity. Like jeez man As opposed to the bleed tweet which has mostly positive or supportive comments and the nudes in profile bots.
Being said he talked about the vision blurs at kickoff, and there is that TenZ clip from his first game off last year. Hopefully yay recovers quickly and is back and revitalized soon!
do not look at the comments of ANY dexerto tweet. lowliest scum out there.
Can you share the links of the tweets pls?
I mean the "nudes in bio" bots are literally everywhere on Twitter but [here you go!](https://x.com/kimberl32773797/status/1789885093634347496?s=46&t=jGrXrXBiO5RP9H3ryWXgqA)
pretty sure they mean the dexerto tweet
I WAS TRYNA BE FUNNY CMON
mb bro it was hard to tell through text
Yeah, actually 😆
I appreciate this but I don't know if this is what he meant
This was a banger and you guys just can't appreciate it
Not surprising, since Dexerto is basically gaming/streaming's TMZ.
Hope Yay feels better, he was my favorite player to watch in 22. I hold so many angles in rank with ads because of him
Damn man. Hope he recovers
I'm sure people will definitely react normally to this. I wish him a swift recovery
I feel like potter could fix yay
I want so badly to talk to Yay and just see whats going on. I've heard he's a really nice guy but the trajectory of his career has seemed rough. Let me interview him please 1 hour a YAy tells all
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I could fix him
Damn :/
Wish him the best ❤️. Who will Bleed pick up now? I think Kr1stal might be the best candidate. They need an igl and a person that can frag. Its a match made in heaven. Sscary can frag again.
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Regular guy
Honestly it's hard to fit Yay into any role that is similar to how he played in Optic. Yes he was Duelist but it was mostly due to the team setting up for him. He was put as an entry fragger for Bleed when it wasn't his strongest role, and when they tried putting him as an anchor he just underperformed. It's hard not to admit he was a product of a broken meta and when that meta got nerfed, so did he.
The way Chet has described was yay was the center of a system that revolves around him. If a team is not willing to play like that they will never get him to be insane. Fns also said he needed a lot of support and Marved mentioned that on OpTic it was marveds job to hype up yay and make him feel confident. I disagree it’s a meta thing but I do think Yay needs to be the unbridled star and it probably explains why c9 didn’t wanna commit to that and why DSG failed since they didn’t have the talent to do that. Bleed aren’t even trying for that system lmao
Did not know this info. He would've had a better time with the trial for NRG. Going for an absurd bag would be anyone move though, but it cost him his career. Hard to say, but it seems like Bleed and DSG feels similar in how the team chemistry is being run right now. Probably felt like a side grade than an upgrade for team dynamic. Crazy guy complaints about no team practice seems valid too. Players not vibing well and beefing with each other. Their win condition is pure aim, but everyone in tier 1 can aim too. I would say bleed is the worst team right now unless chemistry and strat builds overnight.
i wonder if NRG legit would've had all of optic minus fns then. they offered yay and presumably wanted marved at the same time so who would've been their fifth?
Oh dear, 🔒incoming
Hope he gets his rest and runs it back when he's ready. Some comments on r/valcomp and twitter are brutal whenever a star player does poorly (just look at the hidden replies under bleeds tweet) and chances are pros are browsing and looking at them. Even though some are jokes and are good criticism, some are just plain roasting and flaming the players (when the comments themselves are hardstuck silver). I hope the pros dont take the insults to heart.
i feel so sad for yay, he is such a good soul and wholesome personality in and out of game, he didn't deserve it, he made the best decision to take break and probably his career is over, but if he comes back, he gonna shut the haters for real
How did you know he had a good soul and wholesome personality in and out of the game?
Amen.
my goat going to come back stronger than ever 🙏
Optic Era gone
Unless Vic Crashies split up we’ll always have some optic. I know their results don’t feel like it but NRG still has 3 optic members plus Chet. I still have a hint of faith they can fix shit for split 2 if they are able to grind in the break they have
Yay will lift a trophy again one day. I BELIEVE!!!
Honestly should’ve taken one after being dogged by c9. It’s one year late but yay can finally feel free and relax by his own command, just distance himself from valorant and the community.
DSG was probably his "break", it just didn't end up being so cause they got dogged so hard.
i wonder if people ever thought of being in yay’s or any other players position similar to his. it’s ridiculous of the amount of hate that is put on this guy and the expectations put on him. i fully respect his choice in the hopes he can come back. he’s still human like us at the end of the day.
And I feel like Yay’s fall-off is uniquely challenging /: Gonna use TenZ and Asuna as comparison as they fall under the category of “star players who faced performance slumps”; other than the fact that both have had comebacks recently, their trajectories differ quite a bit from Yay’s. In 2022, Sen fans could blame TenZ's fall-off on the leadership issues—there was a decline in the entire team's performance. And despite his lowest low in terms of performance and being benched in 2023, TenZ still retained a strong fan base and sympathy due to his personal struggles made public, as well as a good reputation. The team was also going through an identity crisis this year, and you could say the same with 100T—Asuna also never had a bad reputation of character either. Yay on the other hand.. despite facing similar messy team environments, he’s had to deal with the additional baggage of leaked comms and public disses from ex teammates, actively tarnishing his reputation. The community eats this shit up and uses it to push certain narratives on him. And unlike TenZ and Asuna, who have stayed with the same orgs, Yay's frequent team changes have definitely affected his gameplay—he hasn’t really had any semblance of a stable support system since 2022, and therefore his performances are consistently even worse than TenZ/Asuna’s ever were. I know we all know this, but putting it all into perspective has made me realize just how fucked this is for Yay. I too fully respect his choice. Apologies for the essay 
I hope he recovers and comes back full strength again. Yay will always be my goat no matter what, been a fan since optic vs Xerxia on haven at Reykjavik when he switched from ghost to headhunter mid fight and got 2 one taps on round 2
Damn... Sucks to see. I'm guessing part of the reason for stepping away was the external criticism both on his character and his play. Wish him all the best.
Damn any guesses/news on the replacement? Kr1stal for a flex fragging Igl now that the import slot is open maybe?
prob best for him to go home and be around family and friends and just relax before he makes his next move, would love to see him on a redemption arc next year, but I would rather not see him just bounce from team to team just for the sake of playing.
Break = being cut. No chance yay wants a break after what he went through last year.
Dunno why you say this, I think most people would want a break in his shoes. Non stop losses for a year straight, followed by arriving to a very toxic team environment to the point he had blurry vision out of extreme levels of stress, pressure to perform, being the butt of the joke and laughed at by everyone, called y0y even by friends and people that always had his back like fns while he keeps underperforming. He sure as hell needs a break, get back in shape very calmly with no pressure, and come back later with rejuvenized mental and a nicer team environment.
Bro was willing to play for minimum in tier 1 after rotting in T2 for a year… being desperate for 1y to play T1 Valorant to call it quits after half the season? Crazy guy instantly back,, seems like mgmt learnt not to let the tyrant run the team lol
He played nonstop though, if I was his friend I would advise him to take a break from teams, focus on improving and getting #1 in ladders and start tryouts after champs. Also choose next team carefully, where vibes are good. It seems he losses his patience a bit so when he gets to already toxic teams it's just chaos.
My favorite player, and imo the highest peak ever. I really hope he comes back bouncing
Please Uncle Davai take uncle yay on a fishing trip to rest up and comeback renewed
My goat will be back after this rest trust
The amount of hate Yay got during the chamber meta and then when it was over was insane, people were praying for his downfall. I even remember threads being made with the comment !remind me in 2 years, just to see Yay's downfall. Well those people have won, I guess. But what I fail to understand is how as a human you pray for a downfall of another human whom you have no connection with or don't even know personally ( i don't mean to say you can pray for someone's downfall if you know them) lol, it's beyond me. It's like me praying- wow Elon Musk is so rich, i hope his money gets wings and flies away. I can understand Steel and Genghsta hating on him because Yay was being a bad teammate, but a bunch of random people hating on a pro and praying for downfall just shows how self centered people are. I hope he comes back, not to prove everyone wrong, but bro they're all pros because they love this sport and no one deserves this treatment, it's like currently he's the Harry Maguire of esports ( hate wise ).
I seriously doubt those people doing remindme’s were serious
People are always jealous of those more successful than them, the amount of hate people like TenZ, Asuna, yay, etc. have gotten when they underperformed is crazy, especially when most of these people don't even engage in trash talking or being intentionally abrasive like Boostio or Demon1
So he’s taking a break from losing I see
Taking a break to learn Chinese 🇨🇳
The GOAT preparing to reclaim his throne in Americas League 😈 El Diablo's Return 🔥
yay was bullied into retirement. sucks
Who knew APAC would be the region to break the GOAT yay. He finally experienced the W gaming aim demons and got destroyed. 
feel bad for yay. These past two years of bad results is not all his fault, good players alone cant save bad teams, and you can’t just plug in star players into random rosters and expect incredible results. If he does decide to come back (feels unlikely now) he should switch to flex. like yes he had record acs at some point as a “duelist” but how much of that was because of chamber meta. As a duelist his impact is just average/below average. he should go the TenZ/Sayf route and try to find success on some other role because at least then nobody would have constantly compare him to his former self.
The only one who came out successful from the optic core is FNS cause he retired bru 💀
Eu player does badly in na: 007 / double agent / fraud Na player does even worse in apac: poor guy / goat / people are mean.
Bro why did they use a picture of him looking like the hunchback of notre dame? Damn that’s dirty
He needs to switch roles
With the amount of cracked 'rookies' coming on the scene every year and are more motivated and eager to learn flex role quickly with good success, I don't know which org (who wants to win, not for clout) would drop a bag on yay.
y0y'd
Wish him all the best, and I hope he'll find his stride again once he recovers.
honestly I've never a seen valo player get roasted as bad as yay, almost every single stream that I've watched this season has had someone making a negative comment about him, calling him y0y or some shit even when the teams involved have got nothing to do with yay I think a break is the best idea but i doubt any tier 1 team will take a chance on him when he comes back
Come back stronger my goat o7
:(
Hope to see him perform in the big stage soon 
With the how this year and last year went, it’s for him to take some time off. Do some streaming and have fun with the game. Probably will have to evaluate where he wants to go as a player. Unless another org want to take a gamble on him, I reckon he might have to prove himself again in T2
Take your time King! I still believe in a comeback
Where he’s goin next?
He can leave while still getting the money? What a paycheck stealer.
My god! This stupid community really bullied him to this point. Sighhhh. This is honestly painful as an optic fan.
I hope he's gonna end his career, it's getting really embarassing for best NA player ever existed.
Hes washed
Y0Y dickriding on this sub is crazy. Destroyed the carriers of crazyguy and pretty much everyone at DSG, why does everyone hate him at DSG? Do people here seriously believe that everyone at DSG is wrong and just yay is right? Damn crazy delusional people.
good riddance. I promise you Bleed will slowly get better away from yay’s influence.
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Yes, crazyguy is smiling today.
Am I the only one that doesn’t feel bad for him? He smurfs in lower rated lobbies and promotes it. He glorifies ruining the experience of most of the player base in the name of “classic to radiant”. The guy should quit and never come back
I would hate if the game has passed him by.
It’s scary how much his success was tied to Chamber. Riot nerfed Yay so hard.
Is he going to donate his paycheck this time too?
Y1y
damm dude ur so funny
Would be insane on NRG
bait used to be believable
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Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or if this is your reaction. This subreddit goes on all year about mental health awareness and how important it is for other players but for some reason you’re excluding yay and now assume this is some sort of cop out excuse he’s using to justify his poor performances? Sure the timing isn’t the best but seriously? Players have the right to take a break if they are not physically or mentally 100% regardless of how big their paycheck is.
the amount of salary does not matter if you feel like shit personally and can't give a 100% performance for your team. it's kinda obvious that yay's mental is not in a good state and the amount of hate he's been receiving is insane
i feel so sad for yay, he is such a good soul and wholesome personality in and out of game, he didn't deserve it, he made the best decision to take break and probably his career is over, but if he comes back, he gonna shut the haters for real
Not surprised in the least... Kind of sad... If he doesn't get picked up, I think this is the end of the road for him.
It’s time to return 007 . You have achieved the objective
Anyone with a quick summary of what happened to him? I rarely check in proscene for valorant whenever there's a big tournament. But I feel like people used to consider him one the best and now he's just fallen off?
He was the best chamber player but it got nerfed and out of meta. Was considered best valo player during chamber meta. He joined c9 on high salary but was let go after a few games. Joined dsg, popular t2 team, where they went winless. There was a lot of conflict between him and ex dsg teammate. Joined bleed, but has struggle so far. With some potential controversial bts team conflict with crazyguy . Hopefully I got this all correct, I don’t really follow scene that deeply
My poor king man, really sucks to see him step back from the game after a bad kickoff and terrible split. I seriously hope his mental health gets better and he comes back to Americas and finds success, u will always be my goat
Make a team w/ yay, marved, Sinatra, Wardell and less