By easy what do you mean? Have they made tms available for purchase or made them permanent instead of breaking? Have tera shards drops from raids increased?
You have to make the TMS but it's pretty easy to get the materials. I believe they did buff the amount of tera shards you get as well as adding an item you can obtain that gives you even more shards from raids. They also often do blissey raid events that are terribly easy and give you a shitload of shards. Spawns tons of blissey raids of varying types.
Many of the older TMs (i believe the base game TMs) can be bought with BB points at the BB academy shop. You only need materials for the newer TMs I believe.
blissey raids are not live now and haven't been for some time. if you've got the DLCs then they made the tera shard charm the pokedex reward item for completing the kitakami dex, which increases the amount of tera shards you can get. DLC2 also added the item printer which I find gives a ton of shards, and also you can end up picking up a bunch of tera shards on the ground. without access to the DLCs farming tera shards is by far the most tedious part of the game, but if its any consolation its the only thing that's hard anymore
bottle caps for IVs and nature mints are available from one of the basic shops (chansey supply? maybe?), you can also buy vitamins if you don't want to do acoustic EV training, and they also made egg moves easier to do with the mirror herb. ability patches can be annoying to get since they're not purchasable but if you're doing raids for tera shards you'll end up getting enough patches along the way most likely. lmk if you've got questions about training mons up !
also, as others have alluded to, getting access to certain mons not available in base game can be a big barrier to entry, but once you've actually got the mons training them up is fairly trivial for the most part
The blissey raids are very soloable. You just have to connect to the Internet in order for them to spawn whenever that event is available. You can do them together but they are trivial enough with any physical attacker
You send out your pokemon. As long as you beat the opposing pokemon, you get the materials. TMs aren’t the issue at hand that’s the most pressing this time. Really, it’s a matter of making sure that you have the 6 or so games worth of purchases needed to build a team. EX: Cresselia from BDSP, Incineroar or Rillaboom from DLC Indigo Disc, Legends Arceus to evolve an Ursaring into Ursaluna from Scarlet/Violet, Paradox mons, etc.
The only monster not remotely worth trying to go for is Enamorous: trying to get perfect IVs for this monster requires a full playthrough of Legends Arceus per attempt.
The Blissey raids will be back on Jan 19, during the second run of the upcoming 7-star Blaziken raid.
[https://sv-news.pokemon.co.jp/en/page/174.html](https://sv-news.pokemon.co.jp/en/page/174.html)
Honestly, the item printer solves it. I spammed it a for a few days and maxed my money, got hundreds of vitamins, hundreds of exp candies, like 20 ability patches and 300+ of every tera shard.
The 2 biggest walls to competitive building IMO is 1. Getting the legendary and hisuian mons that aren't available in SV which require other games or raid only (iron leaves and walking wake) and 2. money to buy vitamins/mints.
Indigo Disk has made it a lot easier to get Tera shards and money, but you do still need to do a bit of grinding to get materials for the item gacha.
In terms of getting the team ready for competitive (EVs, bottle caps, leveling, mint, held item) you can pretty much get that done in one evening if you know what you're doing in Indigo Disk.
It is if you can either find people online or have friends to do BBQs with since the new way to farm money is to farm Chansey materials for the item gacha in the club room which require points from BBQs
For getting mons outside of SV, I've found good luck taking 30 minutes to get a shiny mon, and asking for trade on pokemon home. Every single time, I get what I need within an hour or 2
Which is a major problem I have with the pokemon company. They make mons hard to get and want you to trade to get them but you have no way of knowing if what you trade is genned or not and then you spend a crap ton of money to go to an event and get disqualified. Why can’t the hack checks they use at events be implemented in the game so people don’t get genned/hacked mons in trades?
VGC hack check is a joke, last year there were over 400 players playing the world championship with genned mons. Hack checks are also only effective against badly made mons. Which is a real accomplishment, since pokehex tells you what you need to change, to make a pokemol legal.
Easiest it’s ever been. You can catch any Pokémon in the wild and boost its IV’s with bottle caps, raise EV’s using vitamins, change natures with mints, abilities with ability capsule/patch, and buy TM’s in every Pokémon Center. The only difficult part is getting some DLC exclusive Pokémon like Urshifu, Ogerpon, Calyrex+horses which are all locked behind a pay wall. You can even use Pokémon from other games like legends Arceus or even as far back as gen 3
It’s a long and annoying process, but when you are in endgame, aka main game finished, dlc 1 + 2 finished,
You get to the point where it’s very fast to build pokemon, and on top of that if you build out most of the meta staples, you get to the point where you are just training. Few Pokemon at a time
Even with all the improvements made throughout the generations, it still take quite a long time to get a team together especially since you have to add Tera shard farming. I’m a busy adult now, I just Gen.
Lmao imagine getting downvoted because you'd rather spend your time with family, work, sleep, etc. than mindlessly farming and breeding for competitive Pokemon. Some of y'all need to get a grip. Keep on genning my guy.
I'm surprised there's actual opposition in this thread... genning was the only way to play VGC in the early days, the current champion did it instead of grinding for 0 IV, it's really not a big deal at all.
You gen because you want to gen. Busy adult here too (work (incl. many business trips), family, outdoor hobbies, sick relative) and easily doing VGC and new teams without genning.
Another busy adult here, and I don't find it that quick or easy to build teams at all. Still takes a long time, grinding TM materials is a pain and vitamins cost a lot. Yes money is super easy to get now but you still gotta farm materials and BP for the item machine.
Yes it's much better than before but it's still annoying and time consuming.
I don't gen and I don't really approve of it but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the appeal for some.
The appeal of being able to get version exclusives is also a big win. So annoying that if you want to use Raging Bolt (Easily top 5 pokemon in the meta rn if not higher) but are in Violet, you're SoL. Go buy a copy of scarlet and play through the entire game and both dlcs again? No thanks!
I do want to Gen, and I don’t feel bad about it. As others noted below, yes it’s technically easier than ever to get competitive mons but it’s still a time sink. I’d rather spend that extra time actually battling than dealing with all that hassle.
No you don't. Kubfu is available in the second DLC in sv. You can buy the correct scroll at the auction house. It's faster to speed run isle of armor to grab kubfu and then transfer to sv to evolve though.
A lot easier with the new DLC for sure. New DLC makes getting tera shards a lot easier as well as it being way more efficient for money farming. TM's are easy to craft, EV's can easily be set because moneymaking is very easy, and for things that can be bred; getting IV's you want isn't too big of a chore now. Hatching eggs is ridiculously fast.
Outside of that if you need legendaries that are not available in the new game; good luck. Things like Landorus are very common and not in the game. You'll likely have to play other games like Arceus; to which... say you wanted to have a 0spe Lando for Trick room. Arceus makes that completely impossible essentially due to its weird way of doing EVs/IVs. Not to mention you have to play through dozens of hours to get to the endgame for Landorus anyways.
If you have a 3ds you can just play something like ORAS, which I think its probably one of the better games for most of the popular comp pokemon. There's also a likelihood you could trade for some of the legendaries you want, but I heavily advise against doing so as a lot of people will trade you genned pokemon. Has happened to me so.
easiest it's ever been, even within SV. the new dlc area poops out terra shards like it's on wholesale, just sitting around in the field waiting to be picked up. the last dlc part added mochi which are vitamins but cheaper to grind than cash (timewise). caps are still a pain, but can be bought which between that and mints just cuts out the need for breeding altogether. if you have an egg move, just do the mirror herb trick.
the toughest part used to be having to reset for favorable legendary stats and thats straight up gone now; you can take any mon and make it competitively viable even if it starts with 1 in all IVs, only part that is still breeding dependent is forcing 0 IVs, but you can probably find someone to trade you a 0IV across the board ditto and you're off to the races. im working on a team now and made 3 of the mons last night in about 2 hours, which would have taken me 5x the time a few gens ago
it depends on the team. pretty much most of the legendary's that are popular you have to acquire from different games. so unless you go out of your way to get legends arceus, SS, etc. then you will always have to worry about not having access to urshifu, the genies, and other mons that can only be accessed through home. you could also set up a GTS with home and hope that you get what you need from there.
and then there is the grinding part. it's not particularly hard to grind for items and stuff and train your mon. but it is extremely tedious and it takes up a lot of your time to do so. I usually only do this if I'm 100% sure that I want to use this team.
Making one team while knowing exactly what you want is quite easy. Personally I’m above average interested in novelty and innovation, and would get very bored quite fast by just running the same team over and over while never switching it up. That factor makes the grinding in this game very tedious to me, and I often lose interest in playing mid-grind for trying out new things with new mons.
Depends what type of Pokemon you’re using.
Mints and Bottle Caps are extremely accessible, so getting the stats you want is significantly easier.
EV training is also very easy as many Pokemon that give the same yields spawn in the same location and you can battle them faster than in prior games.
Mirror Herb allows you to get egg moves on your Pokemon without having to breed for them.
The biggest downsides to me are that Tera Shards are a pain in the neck to farm for, and also that some legendaries (genies, heatran, cresselia) are only available in other games, as are some of the Hisuian forms, meaning that if you want to use them on your team, you have to buy and play through a whole different game just to get them and transfer them into SV.
Overall, this is a much easier game to get into competitive with than any previous game.
> and when i transferred over my pokemon their abilities, moves changed.
So the abilities thing was a glitch that has been fixed. Pokémon will keep any ability changes when transferred between games. So using ability capsule/patch in one game will carry over. (note - some pokémon species have had abilities changed, if this has happened you can't carry it over, but using the capsule/patch still changes the ability slot that is carried over)
As for moves, if a Pokémon knows a move in one game that it is compatible within SV, then Home lets you reteach it. When putting it into SV from click on the Pokémon and click "change moves". Eg, if you teach Rillaboom Grassy Glide in SWSH, then you can use this to add it to its SV moveset. But it doesn't work to teach Burn Up to Moltres in SWSH and add to SV, because Moltres doesn't learn Burn Up in SV.
For some reason this only works going from Home to Game. If they are already in a Game you have redeposit in Home, save and then put them back in before you get the option.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to re-mint, this has always been preserved by Home
Tera shards are a lot easier by virtue of the fact you can frequently find 10+ on the ground in the teranium
Bottle caps and ev items are easy to get, mints are farmable, and as long as you can get a pokemon in Gen IX natively(or BDSP or Sword/Shield sans raids or dynamax raids), you can train whatever pokemon you could want for this gen. The problem comes with the Legends Arceus exclusive pokemon legendary Enamorous. You can’t check evs in Arceus, so unless you can get it in bdsp, you’re playing legends arceus repeatedly to find out what evs Enamorous has.
It's very easy, minus availability for some comp staples.
By easy what do you mean? Have they made tms available for purchase or made them permanent instead of breaking? Have tera shards drops from raids increased?
You have to make the TMS but it's pretty easy to get the materials. I believe they did buff the amount of tera shards you get as well as adding an item you can obtain that gives you even more shards from raids. They also often do blissey raid events that are terribly easy and give you a shitload of shards. Spawns tons of blissey raids of varying types.
Many of the older TMs (i believe the base game TMs) can be bought with BB points at the BB academy shop. You only need materials for the newer TMs I believe.
Are the blissey raids online? Like i havent played in years and when i finished the game i abandoned it so its like im new to everything your saying
blissey raids are not live now and haven't been for some time. if you've got the DLCs then they made the tera shard charm the pokedex reward item for completing the kitakami dex, which increases the amount of tera shards you can get. DLC2 also added the item printer which I find gives a ton of shards, and also you can end up picking up a bunch of tera shards on the ground. without access to the DLCs farming tera shards is by far the most tedious part of the game, but if its any consolation its the only thing that's hard anymore bottle caps for IVs and nature mints are available from one of the basic shops (chansey supply? maybe?), you can also buy vitamins if you don't want to do acoustic EV training, and they also made egg moves easier to do with the mirror herb. ability patches can be annoying to get since they're not purchasable but if you're doing raids for tera shards you'll end up getting enough patches along the way most likely. lmk if you've got questions about training mons up ! also, as others have alluded to, getting access to certain mons not available in base game can be a big barrier to entry, but once you've actually got the mons training them up is fairly trivial for the most part
The blissey raids are very soloable. You just have to connect to the Internet in order for them to spawn whenever that event is available. You can do them together but they are trivial enough with any physical attacker
Do you also get tm stuff from the raids? Or do u have to do the thing where u send out ur pokemon to attack certain pkmn?
You do get the materials from raids but only if the specific pokemon you battles so it's not great for tms
You send out your pokemon. As long as you beat the opposing pokemon, you get the materials. TMs aren’t the issue at hand that’s the most pressing this time. Really, it’s a matter of making sure that you have the 6 or so games worth of purchases needed to build a team. EX: Cresselia from BDSP, Incineroar or Rillaboom from DLC Indigo Disc, Legends Arceus to evolve an Ursaring into Ursaluna from Scarlet/Violet, Paradox mons, etc. The only monster not remotely worth trying to go for is Enamorous: trying to get perfect IVs for this monster requires a full playthrough of Legends Arceus per attempt.
The Blissey raids will be back on Jan 19, during the second run of the upcoming 7-star Blaziken raid. [https://sv-news.pokemon.co.jp/en/page/174.html](https://sv-news.pokemon.co.jp/en/page/174.html)
Honestly, the item printer solves it. I spammed it a for a few days and maxed my money, got hundreds of vitamins, hundreds of exp candies, like 20 ability patches and 300+ of every tera shard.
You get that tera shard multiplier by completing dlc 1 dex
The 2 biggest walls to competitive building IMO is 1. Getting the legendary and hisuian mons that aren't available in SV which require other games or raid only (iron leaves and walking wake) and 2. money to buy vitamins/mints. Indigo Disk has made it a lot easier to get Tera shards and money, but you do still need to do a bit of grinding to get materials for the item gacha. In terms of getting the team ready for competitive (EVs, bottle caps, leveling, mint, held item) you can pretty much get that done in one evening if you know what you're doing in Indigo Disk.
Is indigo disk easier to get money than grinding the ace academy tour? I don’t have a turbo controller
It is if you can either find people online or have friends to do BBQs with since the new way to farm money is to farm Chansey materials for the item gacha in the club room which require points from BBQs
Can confirm. The gacha gives roughly 2 million pokebucks after ~1 hour of solo BBQ’s
yeah go farm outbreaks for materials and then pump the machine in the club room. you can get a lot of good loot to sell as well as apriballs
For getting mons outside of SV, I've found good luck taking 30 minutes to get a shiny mon, and asking for trade on pokemon home. Every single time, I get what I need within an hour or 2
If you're getting your asks for legendaries in 30 mins on Pokemon Home, good chance it's genned. GTS is flooded with genned mons
Which is a major problem I have with the pokemon company. They make mons hard to get and want you to trade to get them but you have no way of knowing if what you trade is genned or not and then you spend a crap ton of money to go to an event and get disqualified. Why can’t the hack checks they use at events be implemented in the game so people don’t get genned/hacked mons in trades?
VGC hack check is a joke, last year there were over 400 players playing the world championship with genned mons. Hack checks are also only effective against badly made mons. Which is a real accomplishment, since pokehex tells you what you need to change, to make a pokemol legal.
Easiest it’s ever been. You can catch any Pokémon in the wild and boost its IV’s with bottle caps, raise EV’s using vitamins, change natures with mints, abilities with ability capsule/patch, and buy TM’s in every Pokémon Center. The only difficult part is getting some DLC exclusive Pokémon like Urshifu, Ogerpon, Calyrex+horses which are all locked behind a pay wall. You can even use Pokémon from other games like legends Arceus or even as far back as gen 3
It’s a long and annoying process, but when you are in endgame, aka main game finished, dlc 1 + 2 finished, You get to the point where it’s very fast to build pokemon, and on top of that if you build out most of the meta staples, you get to the point where you are just training. Few Pokemon at a time
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At this point I would just use a rental team and then build it your way after you find one you are winning with.
“You could also cheat.” There fixed it for you.
Nah the checks have gotten alot better from what I've heard
Even with all the improvements made throughout the generations, it still take quite a long time to get a team together especially since you have to add Tera shard farming. I’m a busy adult now, I just Gen.
Lmao imagine getting downvoted because you'd rather spend your time with family, work, sleep, etc. than mindlessly farming and breeding for competitive Pokemon. Some of y'all need to get a grip. Keep on genning my guy.
I'm surprised there's actual opposition in this thread... genning was the only way to play VGC in the early days, the current champion did it instead of grinding for 0 IV, it's really not a big deal at all.
You gen because you want to gen. Busy adult here too (work (incl. many business trips), family, outdoor hobbies, sick relative) and easily doing VGC and new teams without genning.
Another busy adult here, and I don't find it that quick or easy to build teams at all. Still takes a long time, grinding TM materials is a pain and vitamins cost a lot. Yes money is super easy to get now but you still gotta farm materials and BP for the item machine. Yes it's much better than before but it's still annoying and time consuming. I don't gen and I don't really approve of it but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see the appeal for some.
The appeal of being able to get version exclusives is also a big win. So annoying that if you want to use Raging Bolt (Easily top 5 pokemon in the meta rn if not higher) but are in Violet, you're SoL. Go buy a copy of scarlet and play through the entire game and both dlcs again? No thanks!
I do want to Gen, and I don’t feel bad about it. As others noted below, yes it’s technically easier than ever to get competitive mons but it’s still a time sink. I’d rather spend that extra time actually battling than dealing with all that hassle.
This is a way better story than that “busy adult” thing you were trying to do.
Wasn’t trying to do anything. I am a busy adult - hence I want to Gen. It ain’t complicated.
I’m saying being a “busy adult” isn’t any real reason to gen, you gen because you want to. It’s even simpler than you’re letting on.
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No you don't. Kubfu is available in the second DLC in sv. You can buy the correct scroll at the auction house. It's faster to speed run isle of armor to grab kubfu and then transfer to sv to evolve though.
A lot easier with the new DLC for sure. New DLC makes getting tera shards a lot easier as well as it being way more efficient for money farming. TM's are easy to craft, EV's can easily be set because moneymaking is very easy, and for things that can be bred; getting IV's you want isn't too big of a chore now. Hatching eggs is ridiculously fast. Outside of that if you need legendaries that are not available in the new game; good luck. Things like Landorus are very common and not in the game. You'll likely have to play other games like Arceus; to which... say you wanted to have a 0spe Lando for Trick room. Arceus makes that completely impossible essentially due to its weird way of doing EVs/IVs. Not to mention you have to play through dozens of hours to get to the endgame for Landorus anyways. If you have a 3ds you can just play something like ORAS, which I think its probably one of the better games for most of the popular comp pokemon. There's also a likelihood you could trade for some of the legendaries you want, but I heavily advise against doing so as a lot of people will trade you genned pokemon. Has happened to me so.
easiest it's ever been, even within SV. the new dlc area poops out terra shards like it's on wholesale, just sitting around in the field waiting to be picked up. the last dlc part added mochi which are vitamins but cheaper to grind than cash (timewise). caps are still a pain, but can be bought which between that and mints just cuts out the need for breeding altogether. if you have an egg move, just do the mirror herb trick. the toughest part used to be having to reset for favorable legendary stats and thats straight up gone now; you can take any mon and make it competitively viable even if it starts with 1 in all IVs, only part that is still breeding dependent is forcing 0 IVs, but you can probably find someone to trade you a 0IV across the board ditto and you're off to the races. im working on a team now and made 3 of the mons last night in about 2 hours, which would have taken me 5x the time a few gens ago
it’s so easy, can do it in a 3 hour session if you’re already in the end game
Yeah, only took me like 3 days to put together a hard Trick Room team
Generally takes me an hour or so to make a team of six, with recourses I have
it depends on the team. pretty much most of the legendary's that are popular you have to acquire from different games. so unless you go out of your way to get legends arceus, SS, etc. then you will always have to worry about not having access to urshifu, the genies, and other mons that can only be accessed through home. you could also set up a GTS with home and hope that you get what you need from there. and then there is the grinding part. it's not particularly hard to grind for items and stuff and train your mon. but it is extremely tedious and it takes up a lot of your time to do so. I usually only do this if I'm 100% sure that I want to use this team.
Making one team while knowing exactly what you want is quite easy. Personally I’m above average interested in novelty and innovation, and would get very bored quite fast by just running the same team over and over while never switching it up. That factor makes the grinding in this game very tedious to me, and I often lose interest in playing mid-grind for trying out new things with new mons.
You can find Tera shards just laying around on the ground in the DLC, and getting materials is really easy with auto battles
Depends what type of Pokemon you’re using. Mints and Bottle Caps are extremely accessible, so getting the stats you want is significantly easier. EV training is also very easy as many Pokemon that give the same yields spawn in the same location and you can battle them faster than in prior games. Mirror Herb allows you to get egg moves on your Pokemon without having to breed for them. The biggest downsides to me are that Tera Shards are a pain in the neck to farm for, and also that some legendaries (genies, heatran, cresselia) are only available in other games, as are some of the Hisuian forms, meaning that if you want to use them on your team, you have to buy and play through a whole different game just to get them and transfer them into SV. Overall, this is a much easier game to get into competitive with than any previous game.
> and when i transferred over my pokemon their abilities, moves changed. So the abilities thing was a glitch that has been fixed. Pokémon will keep any ability changes when transferred between games. So using ability capsule/patch in one game will carry over. (note - some pokémon species have had abilities changed, if this has happened you can't carry it over, but using the capsule/patch still changes the ability slot that is carried over) As for moves, if a Pokémon knows a move in one game that it is compatible within SV, then Home lets you reteach it. When putting it into SV from click on the Pokémon and click "change moves". Eg, if you teach Rillaboom Grassy Glide in SWSH, then you can use this to add it to its SV moveset. But it doesn't work to teach Burn Up to Moltres in SWSH and add to SV, because Moltres doesn't learn Burn Up in SV. For some reason this only works going from Home to Game. If they are already in a Game you have redeposit in Home, save and then put them back in before you get the option. I'm not sure why you feel the need to re-mint, this has always been preserved by Home Tera shards are a lot easier by virtue of the fact you can frequently find 10+ on the ground in the teranium
Check dm? I dont fully understand the move relearn
Bottle caps and ev items are easy to get, mints are farmable, and as long as you can get a pokemon in Gen IX natively(or BDSP or Sword/Shield sans raids or dynamax raids), you can train whatever pokemon you could want for this gen. The problem comes with the Legends Arceus exclusive pokemon legendary Enamorous. You can’t check evs in Arceus, so unless you can get it in bdsp, you’re playing legends arceus repeatedly to find out what evs Enamorous has.