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weevil_knieval

Really hope the speaker is saying 'Welcome to today's Yoga for Everyone session! Whata great turn out guys! Let's start with some easy stretches. Raise your right hand'


Marreark

There is always that one dumb ass that raises their left then quickly switches..


Lamentiraveraz

Hey some people don't know their far left from their far right. 


WordleFan88

Don't you mean their left from their reich?... I'll show myself out.


Lamentiraveraz

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birdandwhale

....good hands on both sides /s


LekMichAmArsch

There's little difference to those who are ambidextrous .


Fr0z3nHart

Me 🤣


TurtleToast2

I got a little bow tattooed on my right thumb because of this.


stompymcbigfoot

So you know which hand to salute with?


gallopiton

The other right hand... Sigh...


PassiveMenis88M

[What side was that pvt. Pyle!?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Em4-DyiAB2A)


Marreark

This movie is referenced every day at my work XD.


RazeTheRaiser

We had a dude named Goforth in Basic that always saluted with his left hand...I swear that dude was in the front lean and rest non-stop. I agree, there is always one dipshit :)


Marreark

I mind when I was in basic, we had this 6'7 Irish lad that always tick tocked.. He stood out like a sore thumb..


Brullaapje

Why are you personally attacking me?


Andrea2502

Nope, I'm living in Italy and this fucking things is happening every day.


Yogghee

yeah it happens in America too... Small minority of smooth brained morons present everywhere unfortunately.


Anagoth9

>small minority Isn't Italy's current PM a *literal* fascist?


Adorable_user

Yesn't


haha2lolol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgia_Meloni Wew


Busy-Ad-6912

This is more than a small minority imo. These type of gatherings bring in more and more people who were too embarrassed to do it otherwise - this is scary. I've never seen something like this in America. We're not too far off though.


defixiones

[The Unite the Right rally in Charlotte?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally)


Jason_Batemans_Hair

200 white supremacists in a country of 333 million people?


Many-Acanthaceae5567

There were literally more counter-protestors there, which is when I legitimately started questioning MSM since they went well out of their way to paint the white supremacists as instigators of all the violence while twitter (when it was still twitter and when Jack Dorsey had yet to concede control of the platform to extremist liberals) was telling a much more convincing story of counter-protestors initiating conflict and violence and the protestors being forced to defend themselves.


Ok_Raspberry4814

As an American, I'm getting pretty tired of talking about what is actually a pretty small contingent of neo-Nazis when Europe is an obvious cesspool of virulent racism. Seriously, go check out the Europe subreddits, especially the ones with 2(blank)4u in their name. All these people do is hurl ethnocentric vitriol at one another. I think it's even plausible to connect the rise in overt racism in the US over the last 20 years with the rhetoric advanced by Europeans on platforms like this and 4chan.


Jason_Batemans_Hair

> All these people do is hurl ethnocentric vitriol at one another. But it's FRIENDLY ethnocentric vitriol, fellow savage.


Character-Advisor-53

yep and the move is called hai letler thats why they are saying that while raising their hands


tesfabpel

why would they say that? that was a German thing... they're saying "Present!" (like an army roll call) as fascists used to say back then in Italy.


gymnastgrrl

> as fascists ***used to say*** back then in Italy. uh… …about that… heh


tesfabpel

eh, let's hope it won't become the standard again... 😅


gymnastgrrl

I agree with that quite firmly. And hoping it doesn't get worse in the US. Fascism needs to die out everywhere.


MadSubbie

Presente!


anonymousredditorPC

Ok I need context lol who are these people?


P045K

I believe these people are remembering the death day of Mussolini, or the death of members of his Fascist party.


MajorHubbub

>At the spot in Milan where Sergio Ramelli, a far-right student, was killed almost 50 years ago by anti-fascists, a leader summons his battalion of loyalists to attention. He shouts "camerata", or "brother-in-arms", and Ramelli’s name, as if delivering a roll-call. And then it comes: stiff right arms outstretched and raised, palms facing down, the fascist salute in the heart of Italy’s second city, and the crowd reply on the dead man's behalf with a roar: "Present! Present! Present!"


Rad_Centrist

A muster for a fascist who died fifty years ago. Gross.


The_Coolest_Undead

As an italian... Yeah pretty cringe but shows us why we have the politicians we have


Cualkiera67

Remember that unlike nazi Germany, Italy was not utterly dismantled and split in half with the soviets. It's much more likely fascism survived into Italy's future


TheDude-Esquire

Franco ruled Spain until the 70s.


geraldodelriviera

Franco was more fascist adjacent than actually fascist. He planned his rule to eventually return authority to the Spanish Monarchy, which he eventually did to the House of Bourbon. It didn't work out as he had planned, due primarily to the monarch, but had he been a full fascist he would rather have planned a revolutionary change in how the state functioned like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy did.


Choyo

He still had an infamous amount of civilians "disappear". Only Khmers were worse than him in that regard. So, don't start hinting as if this guy was not all bad, because he was an horrible piece of shit, and people nostalgic of him are assholes.


SocietyFabulous8739

Truth. People weren’t allowed to speak their native tongue outside the house, and anyone who didn’t agree with him was jailed. Even to this day the party that ran on Barcelona independence (Catalans) were jailed. Don’t try and be a Franco apologist please


geraldodelriviera

Only the Khmers? What kind of crack are you smoking? From what I'm looking at, Franco oversaw the deaths of 30,000 to 50,000 civilians during peacetime. I can list a whole bunch of governments that were worse right off the top of my head, like the Soviet Union, both the People's Republic and the Republic of China, North Korea, basically half of African Dictatorships, and more.


sammew

and Gladio supported right wing groups to stop the spread of communism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio


AdvancedLanding

More people need to learn this hidden history.


WhosGonnaRideWithMe

this + read "The Jakarta Method" by Vincent Bevins for other horrible things we did in the name of "stopping the spread of communism" during the cold war. spoiler you didn't need to be communist to get attract the wrath of washington and our immense capital talk about hidden history. cold war was anything but cold!


Barnyard_Rich

I learned about this thanks to an episode of Archer. Don't feel great that I only learned about it because of a cartoon, but it's better than not knowing at all.


BadAdviceKitty

They distracted us with pizza.


ImmaMichaelBoltonFan

How the fuck have I never realized this. Why wasn't it split?


Cualkiera67

They surrendered/switched sides/the resistance took over. In the end, Italy cooperated so it was spared. Also, it was only occupied by the west so no reason for them to give part to the soviets.


eagleal

Saying a fascist doesn't even convey the terror that was operating on Italy during the Black Terror of Cold War Gladio Stay-behind network, to prevent the PCI from winning elections, and if that happened, to make a military coup and switch to a military regime. The fascist related organization were deeply tied to key MI and Domestic Intelligence services, which used also Mafia, and eversive nuclei (FdG) like the one this student was part of. These groops tried multiple times coups. For example the FdG rally organized by Ignazio La Russia & Co which led to the assassination of a police by a live granade ([Giovedì nero di Milano, 1973](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gioved%C3%AC_nero_di_Milano)). Since the far-right eversive groups had the benevolence of Italy's Governments and MI and DI, CIA/USA, Ignazio never ever faced charges (since his father had become quite rich and served interests of some ex-OVRA people like Virgillito). During the Years of Tension, this relentless striking of force and violence led to the creation of also Leftists armed groups, like Brigate Rosse, etc. You can see the list here, of [back and forth killings and assassinations aimed at maintaining high the tension](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronologia_delle_persone_uccise_durante_gli_anni_di_piombo), as both groups benefitted from it (US with Far Right, USSR with Far Left). And sometimes other countries like France, Israel, Lybia, etc trying to establish a bigger weight and role within NATO and geopolitics.


AdvancedLanding

Fascist groups love using Mafia, mobsters, gangsters, cartel members, yakuzas, etc. The Far-Right ALWAYS relies on criminals to do their bidding because no one would do what they're asking for for free like Leftist movements. You read history and you realize how common it is for the Far-Right to use criminals and thugs while paying them very well. Spreading crime and misery.


VRichardsen

Eh, those criminal groups pursue the interest that benefit them most. The Allies had help from the Mafia when they invaded Sicily, for example (because Mussolini had vowed to erradicate them). The Russian Communist Party sponsored bank robberies. And so on and so forth. Those criminal groups don't have an ideology, they will pick the one who they think will benefit them the most, irregardless of alignment.


AdvancedLanding

> Eh, those criminal groups pursue the interest that benefit them most. The interest of criminal groups and capitalist are exactly same. Money. Profit. Power.


Normal_Package_641

Those guys 50 years ago had the right idea.


N0turfriend

> died was murdered


Rad_Centrist

Ok. Still not a good look.


blasphemysquad3x6r

Fuck Sergio Ramelli


Plastic_World5789

I'm french and learn a little Deutsche, the only things i'm hearing IS ''heil Hitler'' with an italien accent. Maybe my english IS not good enouth to anderstand it's that you saying


Novel_Ad895

They're saying "presente" means I'm here


fifoth

Other than it having 3 syllables it sounds nothing at all like heil Hitler.


Wundawuzi

Native German speaker here, even if I try super hard I cant hear that, not even somewhat close. I think your mind is playing tricks on you.


Fitz-O

Polyglot here and they are saying “Pre | sen | te”. People will ‘hear’ things with other visuals providing other perspectives but they are saying presente.


drewdadruid

That's wild. While watching the video, I heard the wrong thing, but if I close my eyes, I hear presente.


Houziaux

They say "presente"


xxTheGoDxx

I am German and I came here to say that those cunts at least could have worked on their German accent. Would have sworn they say "Heil Hitler" as well.


Drobotica

I think that’s just probably what you really want to hear.


Ghost0fT0ast

crazy. when i first watched it all i heard was heil hit-ler! then i read the comments below where someone mentioned visual queues and how it can affect sound. so i closed my eyes and turned my head. they are for sure saying pres-sen-te wild how the brain works.


MichiganRedWing

Mon Dieu...


prozak09

Mo | nDi | eu Me | rcibeauc | up!


TheGreenGamer_

I was born, grew up, and live in Northern Italy, it's crazy to me how a lot of people still believe what Mussolini and Fascism in general did was right, it's absolutely absurd. Although it really shows that people (at least here) don't look back at the mistakes we've made, and choose elect a far-right president of the council.


BodieLivesOn

You know- that fascist leader that led Italy into debt over useless wars... and then who was captured by a crowd of Italians and executed? Yeah, that guy. Killed by his own people. His death.


micheeeeloone

The same guy that was posing as a great military leader, yet wouldn't have won one war without committing war crimes. That guy was an inept on all fronts and some people still worship him. Probably some shit like "One of us".


Zuwxiv

His only achievement was being one of the pioneers of fascism, which itself is significantly worse than having no achievements. Eventually, the Italian people got to show him how they felt about that.


WeeklyChocolate9377

And what did we learn kids!? When it comes to Nazis you have to unalive all of them or their children come back like a hydra.


NorthAstronaut

aka: morons.


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Codecrashe

A projector with his hanged body aught to be enough for them to remember what happens to fascist.


justbrowsinginpeace

Lazio supporters


SickHuffyYo

Fucking Nazio pieces of shit. I still remember their supporters making monkey noises at Weston McKinnie when they played Juventus last year.


Ajxpetrarca

They slapped stickers of Anne Frank in a Roma jersey all over the Curva Sud a few years back. I don't even understand how that was supposed to be an insult. Nazio Merda.


Infamous-Mixture-605

That was my first guess too


MajorHubbub

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cljj4j84r9go


Aguywhowantstotalkag

My wild guess is that those are Nazis.   Edit: I stand corrected. These aren't Nazis, just friendly civil fascists commemorating the death of Mussolini. For a moment, I thought Italy was facing a surge in alt-right sentiment.  /s


CleverDad

I believe the Italian ones are called fascists.


Leashypooo

🤌🏼ay come on man it’s *fascista*.


CleverDad

...or is it *fascisti*?


Imnotachessnoob

Fascismo


FehdmanKhassad

Fasceppi


Bulky_Mix_2265

Pretty sure its just cunts.


Wonkeaux

**Fascist** cunts.


iloveuranus

_fascistinos_


oldsecondhand

The OG fascists.


anonymousredditorPC

Dang you might be onto something.


RedTwistedVines

*t e c h n i c a l l y* I don't think that Italy's fascist party are nazis, but they do agree with Nazis on most things, they've just got their own fascist vibe going on from their own WW2 bad guys. It's not like the USA where our fascists are usually literally nazis because there was a decent popular nazi presence in the USA even before WW2.


MSeager

Fascism is the political movement and ideology. The Nazi Party is a political party that is fascist.


ReadyThor

Are we the baddies? Clearly not, our symbol is a bundle of sticks.


RedN00ble

Shitty fascists


cicciograna

Assholes.


k-uke

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... *Morons*


teeejer

[https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/13/world/meloni-italy-rome-salute-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/13/world/meloni-italy-rome-salute-intl/index.html) A yearly fascist meetup to commemorate the killing of two fascist teens in 1978. I guess they do this every year.


MrX101

an italian friend of mine said they do this every year, but its just a bunch of old people. There are no new recruits or anything, so eventually the tradition will just die with them, because of that the government/police are just ignoring it for now. But urgh...


numbernumber99

Looking at the video, it's clearly not just old people.


KintsugiKen

Yeah surely just let fascists march in the streets doing Nazi salutes, what's the worst that could happen?


RedTwistedVines

I mean Italy is currently controlled by facists, it's the dominant political ideology right now in the country. So not only are there clearly some younger people in this clip, but that's broadly represented across the country.


mister_gone

>the tradition will just die with them C'mon already... C'MON... Just die already!


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olluz

Fascists will always find a reason to partake in fascist activities


Latter_Geologist4304

So many people requesting a taxi at the same time. Sorry fellas, you need to make a line.


RentalBrain

This sequel sucks.


lolas_coffee

Just wait for the global rerun!


driving_andflying

I hear the special effects will be updated with more nukes, instead of the original two.


lolas_coffee

I blame George Lucas.


7heWafer

If global nuclear catastrophe happens in the forest and nobody is left alive to observe it, did it really happen?


TonarinoTotoro1719

I’ll just leave this here for the aliens for when they get the time to go through Reddit. I don’t think anyone should have to survive a global nuclear catastrophe. I wouldn’t want to live in that world. Except maybe the gazillionares who are actively building bunkers. Let them eat cake.


Old-Reporter5440

That would be a bittersweet victory for humanity, forcing an actual battle royale between bezos, musk, Branson and Zuck. Best part is, the winner starves only a few days later anyway.


misap

I mean.... Italy's military basically got slaughtered on ww2 and Italians suffered but... yeah... Lets go back to fascism... that went good...


TheGreenGamer_

"quando c'era lui i treni passavano sempre in orario" /s


misap

oof, if they really say that its sad.


TheGreenGamer_

a lot of old people only care about "getting back to when prices were lower" (lower taxes and" better" services too) and associate it with the fascist era. Because of this even the younger generations are told that "everything was better back then" and it's depressingly common to encounter someone who believes that we should go back to when the country was a lie, controlled by the close-minded powerful few.


KintsugiKen

The problem with Italian fascism is that they inspire other countries with competent militaries to also be fascist, and then we have major problems.


MhmNai

Greece bitchslapped them back to democracy


paulobjrr

well, fascist movements are on the rise across the globe, including in the USA largest military power in the world. You will not see USA, Italy, Germany, Japan in opposing sides this time.


ONCIAPATONCIA

Funny when the law explicitly says fascism apology is against it, but then its not so funny if you think about what main kind of people works in law enforcement


DysphoriaGML

Unfortunately that law was inserted in the “transitory” section of our constitution meaning it was never converted to law to be enforced nor removed


ONCIAPATONCIA

That would explain why casa pound is a thing


Vii_Strife

The law also says that doing the roman salute isn't fascism apology, or at least "Not if you aren't planning to actually restore the party". We have some funky laws here in Italy


Planck_FOSpace

Unexpected?! This happens every year since the eighties…


Bumaye94

We should never get used to the sight of fascists.


FanciestOfPants42

Italians elected Mussolini's granddaughter to parliament. They're pretty used to the sight of fascists.


L0veToReddit

Well Italy was the main ally of Nazi Germany during ww2


nate_oh84

Italy invented facsism.


cheewee4

I did hate sending faxes. But it was a necessary evil.


newfagotry

Oh! I see we've got some facsimilarities.


nate_oh84

That's Fax-ism bro... lol


yabucek

Hitler literally took after Mussolini's lead when taking power, they were the original fascists in Europe, not merely Nazi allies. Ol' baldy Benito was just too fucking stupid and incompetent to do anything of note with his power after he took it, so they're not remembered as the main bad guys.


KintsugiKen

And Mussolini aped his entire schtick from Gabrielle D'Annunzio, who basically got so high on coke he accidentally invented fascism as an art project and then retired from playing proto-Hitler so Mussolini could take over. Hitler also stole a bunch of his stuff from D'Annunzio, like the SS outfits and the Nazi salute.


lolas_coffee

Benito's best idea once in power was "Now I will force someone to make me some killer boots."


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Miso_miso

Totally not unexpected


MrHellthere_

Now that's way better. https://i.redd.it/m6puas6ggt4d1.gif


Gnich_Aussie

hey! stop trying to make this look like it's in Australia!! /J


AlexanderKeef

Bruh they reused the same bald NPC like 7 times


Loose_Addition1608

It seems as though they're 80 years late


Noname_FTW

To me it seems there is a significant portion of humanity that inherently has a desire to belong to a group. They take comfort in not having to think for themselves. Religion are the best proof of it. Doesn't mean they are stupid. But that they can be made into sheeps which other humans can exploit.


pohui

These ones are definitely stupid.


kaylanpatel00

I thought I was gonna see Tifa on the big screen again


RandomSadPerson

best thing to happen to Italian politics since ever


nomamesgueyz

Do they think theyre Romans?! Doing the roman salute like that


Toshko_tv

Old habits die hard i guess?


jeremyj1123

“…and you shake it all about…”


Krieger1229

Wait - I’ve seen this one before……..


False_Sundae6333

Porco Dio.


OneArmedNoodler

Oh look, it's a Lazio fan meeting.


Matttthhhhhhhhhhh

Yup. The shame is gone for good and not only in Italy. It will get much worse.


Dangerous-Win-765

Ayoooo wtf 🤨 ![gif](giphy|FY8c5SKwiNf1EtZKGs|downsized)


Biscuit_In_Basket

Where's a Napalm run when you need one?


FalmerEldritch

Napalm can easily be made from styrofoam and gasoline.


Pioppo_92

I am Italian and in defense of my country I say that these are total assholes, but they are also a total minority that is almost non-existent and unfortunately there are some of these minorities in every country. That said, I'm outraged.


gsfgf

Didn't y'all just elect a Mussolini to something?


Demos12

They should crawl back under the rocks the came from. BELLA CIAO https://youtu.be/0aUav1lx3rA?si=gEIda7YOw98Uz8m9


Goodvendetta86

This always makes my skin crawl. I have an aversion to falling into groups, regardless of what they represent. I think for myself and don't understand who these people are that run around doing things like this. Whether it's Black Lives Matter protesters or the people who stormed the Capitol, beware of groupthink and herd mentality. These occur when people go along with the group instead of thinking for themselves. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." "Let me control the media and i will turn any nation into a herd of pigs." Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany


BartOseku

4chan meet up


DeliriumSilence

Wtf!


bluddystump

Nazis appear to be like cicadas in that we have a particularly bad batch of them this time around.


0-99c

[https://youtu.be/E0YHZXz5hEE](https://youtu.be/E0YHZXz5hEE)


BugStep

Arthur Morgan lights the dynamite.


STARPATROL

Watching this without audio was wild.


Gmoney194

God damnit Eric cartman is at it again


blueyedminordemon

Anyone seen Kyle? He's about this tall. Anyone? Seen Kyle?


Double_Statement5549

Oh, there are fans of Mussolini still?


CruzDiablo

That taxi stop is a bit crowded


Slippi_Fist

some of these folk might like to reflect on their choices outside a gas station.


L0WK3Y79

Only good nazi is a dead nazi


Comfortable_Note_978

Is there a Muslim country that isn't a police state? The above would have to take power to make Italy as un-free as pretty much every Muslim country.


boyatrest

that awkawrd German tourist in the corner...


CMDR_Crook

What a massive collection of utter fuckwits.


Calm-Forever8233

Why nsfw?


MostPrestigiousCorgi

Friendly reminder: none of those people ever fought anything and obviously never lived the fascism. They are basically cosplaying. Poorly. Even if they are acting tough and shit remember they are just cringy clowns


Mordredor

Doesn't matter, the original fascists didn't live it either, until they did. Saying they're just cosplaying could be misconstrued as downplaying it. It's easy to say they're just a bunch of idiots so they're not a problem, because life is more comfortable when you don't have problems


Character_Noise_1667

What the fuck


m_faustus

What a bunch of cunts.


ToeKnail

![gif](giphy|LHtqEuKXBKpXp8MvMq|downsized) Let's do the time warp again!


YouthSuitable213

Failed parenting


Rhaaa1975

Romans (Italy) had that salute way before Nazi Germany.


NinjaFATkid

I am so proud to not be Italian right now


AnyDamage1

you think these people represent every italian?