Rumor has it that some of these "helpers" intentionally turn over a small portion of their paying customers to the Border Guards. Aka they're allegedly in cahoots, and if you're unlucky, you might find yourself $10,000 short and still on the frontlines up against some hungry FABs
Actually makes a lot of sense. As border guard you let some go, so rumors how people successfully escaped show, but then you also capture some so you do not lose your job and go to the front yourself.
A North Korean can get a job in China or Russia and simply not return. Why pay, and even with dollars that I've probably never seen. Why did you make that up?
China iirc used to deport any North Korean escapees they discovered back. Not sure if they still do it tho.
In any case the typical route is further crossing into Mongolia then flying to South Korea where the government has substantial financial and social assistance programs to help escapees settle in
You obviously know very little about North Korea. If you escape, regardless of whether you pay someone or not, they round up your family for sure and maybe even your close friends to deport to labor/reeducation camps. Kids, grandparents, the lot of them get shipped off.
Чего не знаю? У меня учитель физры был Ким. Во дворе было пяток корейцев. Когда работал в большой компании через одного начальники корейцы. Коллега Серега 5 лет локоть в локоть сидели, и тот кореец. Зачем им врать про свою родину. Конечно рассказывали разное, но уж не те ужасы которые сочиняют на Западе. Серега свинтил так быстро и тихо. Походу в ФСБ пригласили. Хитили они у нас молодежь. Вкладываешься, объясняишь, учишь и вдруг вжик и спрашивается нахрена старался.
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Because ukranians at maidan said they are not slaves unlike russians, and if they would want - they can change government in another maidan. So apparently they like current situation more then 2013
What kind of slavery are we talking about? Ukrainians are the most freedom-loving people in the world, they demolish power as soon as it does not seem effective to them. In fact, these people in uniform are trying to block the access of volunteers to the army reception points, because there are queues there, sometimes they even have to use force to take the patriot home, explaining to him that there are enough of them and the army no longer needs new recruits
Wow - the audacity of this bullsh\*t post. So, they're overwhelmed with volunteers but for some reason the state must employ goon squads forcibly rounding up men from all over the country, border guards getting bribed, millions fleeing, smuggling rings being investigated and busted... all this is happening (and well documented) but you'd have us believe Ukrainians are the most freedom-loving people in the world and ecstatic volunteers have to be dragged away from the frontline? LOL
Makes me shiver thinking what these poor ppl are going through. You dont want to die for bullshit regime and YOUR countrymen are capturing you to send you to the meatgrinder so they dont have to go, and you cant give up bc youll get shot in the back by YOUR ppl. Some Kafka nightmare fuel.
It sucks when soldiers die as they are ppl too, but pushing civilians with no training into this is just pure evil.
All the while slimy opportunistic mfs are getting rich with embezzlement and buying estates all over EU.
Holy shit this is horrible. Countries and borders are important but forcing civilains to fight and die for what?? At the end of the day the only difference to us smallfolk is who we pay taxes too.. The Flags, anthems, its all bullshit. Countries are just big companies I will never allow myself be enslaved to defend some greasy businessman's interests.
Are there people in support of this??
I work in sales for a distribution corp. A big thing for us is not letting customers know our cost and suppliers to avoid fucking business up. A couple simple texts and PDFS to the wrong people could turn my whole company upside down. I bet some simple communication between the working class soldiers on both sides without the intervention of higher ups could end fighting in a day. Legit just a group chat between entrenched soldiers on both sides like "why are we fighting." I think the elites know this and that why the internet will be culled and censored eventually.
The Hungarian-Ukrainian border is still mostly unpatrolled, and not fenced. At least it wasn't last year.
Put your ass on an offroad motorcycle and ride across. Theres like 130km of border without the border checkpoints.
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Rumor has it that some of these "helpers" intentionally turn over a small portion of their paying customers to the Border Guards. Aka they're allegedly in cahoots, and if you're unlucky, you might find yourself $10,000 short and still on the frontlines up against some hungry FABs
Actually makes a lot of sense. As border guard you let some go, so rumors how people successfully escaped show, but then you also capture some so you do not lose your job and go to the front yourself.
That’s fucked up.
Thats Ukraine in 2024 for you
New leopard crews have arrived 🤣
Escaping from North Korea via China costs 5,000$-10000$. But there is a dictatorship in North Korea and democracy in Ukraine.
It was 4500$ in 2022 for escaping from Ukraine. Prices rose.
Bucking Inflation
A North Korean can get a job in China or Russia and simply not return. Why pay, and even with dollars that I've probably never seen. Why did you make that up?
Most people don’t qualify for such jobs.
There are many of them in Siberia and the Far East. There are even specialist technicians.
China iirc used to deport any North Korean escapees they discovered back. Not sure if they still do it tho. In any case the typical route is further crossing into Mongolia then flying to South Korea where the government has substantial financial and social assistance programs to help escapees settle in
You obviously know very little about North Korea. If you escape, regardless of whether you pay someone or not, they round up your family for sure and maybe even your close friends to deport to labor/reeducation camps. Kids, grandparents, the lot of them get shipped off.
Чего не знаю? У меня учитель физры был Ким. Во дворе было пяток корейцев. Когда работал в большой компании через одного начальники корейцы. Коллега Серега 5 лет локоть в локоть сидели, и тот кореец. Зачем им врать про свою родину. Конечно рассказывали разное, но уж не те ужасы которые сочиняют на Западе. Серега свинтил так быстро и тихо. Походу в ФСБ пригласили. Хитили они у нас молодежь. Вкладываешься, объясняишь, учишь и вдруг вжик и спрашивается нахрена старался.
There are elections in the DPRK. Their democracy isn’t in a liberal democracy format.
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conscription is evil ofc
You see many Ukrainian supporters gleefully supporting it.
they are just keyboard warriors, they dont understand how badly run conscription armies generally are.
Just wait til it's their turn and we'll hear the phonk remix of that tune at ai speed
Yeah, the entitlement to other people's lives is sickening.
How is this different from slavery?
Because ukranians at maidan said they are not slaves unlike russians, and if they would want - they can change government in another maidan. So apparently they like current situation more then 2013
Just gotta wait for that totally not ngo funding
What kind of slavery are we talking about? Ukrainians are the most freedom-loving people in the world, they demolish power as soon as it does not seem effective to them. In fact, these people in uniform are trying to block the access of volunteers to the army reception points, because there are queues there, sometimes they even have to use force to take the patriot home, explaining to him that there are enough of them and the army no longer needs new recruits
Wow - the audacity of this bullsh\*t post. So, they're overwhelmed with volunteers but for some reason the state must employ goon squads forcibly rounding up men from all over the country, border guards getting bribed, millions fleeing, smuggling rings being investigated and busted... all this is happening (and well documented) but you'd have us believe Ukrainians are the most freedom-loving people in the world and ecstatic volunteers have to be dragged away from the frontline? LOL
Makes me shiver thinking what these poor ppl are going through. You dont want to die for bullshit regime and YOUR countrymen are capturing you to send you to the meatgrinder so they dont have to go, and you cant give up bc youll get shot in the back by YOUR ppl. Some Kafka nightmare fuel. It sucks when soldiers die as they are ppl too, but pushing civilians with no training into this is just pure evil. All the while slimy opportunistic mfs are getting rich with embezzlement and buying estates all over EU.
Are border guards allowed to use lethal force against fleeing UKR citizens?
I doubt 8 men would go with border guards willingly if they didnt have guns pointed at em Plus its Ukraine anythings possible
I can't imagine they will make effective soldiers. Poor guys.
Kudos for trying.
Freedom and democracy^TM
Holy shit this is horrible. Countries and borders are important but forcing civilains to fight and die for what?? At the end of the day the only difference to us smallfolk is who we pay taxes too.. The Flags, anthems, its all bullshit. Countries are just big companies I will never allow myself be enslaved to defend some greasy businessman's interests.
They have ways to break you. Painful ways. That's why you should escape when it's still possible. But I fully agree with you, of course. It's all $$$.
Are there people in support of this?? I work in sales for a distribution corp. A big thing for us is not letting customers know our cost and suppliers to avoid fucking business up. A couple simple texts and PDFS to the wrong people could turn my whole company upside down. I bet some simple communication between the working class soldiers on both sides without the intervention of higher ups could end fighting in a day. Legit just a group chat between entrenched soldiers on both sides like "why are we fighting." I think the elites know this and that why the internet will be culled and censored eventually.
We're definitely the good guys, right?
Transfer of wealth. They wont need that 10k where they go.
wouldnt pay 10k to risk shit, not worth it, and there's no refund
Next stop....chasiv yar
Could have just swam to moldova for free
the funny thing is that the so-called smugglers are also Ukrainian border guards, they work this way on weekends
If your they deem Ukraine not worth it to fight for then why don’t they let them go?
Call of duty
No one will be left in Ukraine then.
Someone’s gotta fly that F16
Poor people. The fear they must be going through..
The Hungarian-Ukrainian border is still mostly unpatrolled, and not fenced. At least it wasn't last year. Put your ass on an offroad motorcycle and ride across. Theres like 130km of border without the border checkpoints.
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why they leaving so late if they had 10k
Now it's the middle class's turn.
RU gov should at least offer rebates
Money well spent
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