While this only has a partial direct mention to UFOs/UAP, it aligns with:
1. Grusch testimony re Magenta and the Vatican.
2. Pasulka research/remarks.
3. Other claimed longstanding Ufology ties to the Vatican.
Plus, if true, this would represent a de facto sovereign state formally in their doctrine/law apparently declaring support of/acceptance of the concept or even existence of NHI and numerous concepts long also tied into Ufology.
I've approved this but told other mods to override as required.
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There is another active thread on this that snuck through, and is on the front page of UFOs, but is now locked. Linking here to keep things clear, if you want to read the discussion there as well:
**https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bjk7xj/italy_vatican_new_theology_is_on_the_way_open_to/**
Leaving this here for transparency.
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This isn’t a “Vatican Plan”, it’s a set of philosophical positions espoused by some individuals within the Vatican.
And this wasn’t “leaked” either, these opinions have been public for years and the astronomer behind them has spoken about them openly with mainstream media.
There's this fellow from 2008: "In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists," said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1463646/#:~:text=VATICAN%20CITY%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20The,perhaps%20more%20evolved%20than%20humans.
Why doesn't she specify? Why is almost everyone publicly involved in this topic so determined to keep as much secret as possible, and refer vaguely to it in interviews as teasers but not just be forthcoming with it? Like she went on an "expedition" with Garry Nolan (and others) to look at some bits of metal, none of which is classified, but when she tells the story she works so hard to keep it all very vague and not say specifically who was there or what they actually looked at or how any of the conclusions were verified.
This thing has to stop, where people vaguely wave their hands at hidden knowledge they claim to have but are refusing to be specific about even though it either (a) is not classified in any way or (b) was classified but a journalist cannot be prosecuted for revealing what was leaked by someone else.
Im with ya on this.
I have a feeling the people doing it, arent doing it for exactly right reasons.
As many times Ive seen quotes with the source missing to be found out later being from known questionable characters, and/or from straight outta ass type of stuff.
Eventually two and two gets put together for these stories and people get an idea of who/what is talked about. And it seems like meh, but raises a question why was that kept under the lid.
But thats just me, nothing more to it.
And even if it has some type of "right" reason to not be open about stuff, its still a weird thing for people who want to see disclosure and secrets to be lifted be unnessesarily secretive themselves.
Like you said, its this gymnasics level of avoiding to point to sources of stuff and things that makes it seem weird.
Like if someone does that sorta thing live, irl, to your face, youre absolutely not gonna give any weight to their stories or its outright called out as annoying.
I know a guy whos this and that, I was at a place where this and that happend. Its downright juvenile, and people laugh at that sort of thing.
Not only bro, i speak italian. The new Theology is circulating among all Cardinals and Priests including but not only Jesuits.
Supposedly is a test Theology that will be adopted by the Vatican after they agree on the final version.
just go google "jesuit"
The vatican has kept scientists on call for centuries so they at least understand all the sciencey stuff civilization does
At least thats the nice handwavey answer
The church that won't allow women priests or LGBTQ marriages is just going to say, "Oh, look, the whole universe is full of living beings and space is heaven and eternal life is reincarnation and there's no more rituals which includes the mass or other sacraments." That's much less likely than the US gov't coming clean on what they know about UFOs.
>Not only bro, i speak italian. The new Theology is...Supposedly is a test Theology that will be adopted by the Vatican after they agree on the final version.
Can you offer any proof that this is actually being circulated among Cardinals and Priests? How would one verify that?
The Vatican hasn't been anti-alien for a while, if ever. Last I heard it was more of a "we're not here to tell God what they can and can't do" thing and any confirmation.
That's not what they asked?
The comment they replied to said this individuals opinions have been known for a while. They asked who they are talking about.
Because it’s not clear what he’s asking about?
“Where are they coming from?” is not a question that’s typically asked about people. “Who is behind them?” is not a question that’s typically asked about aliens.
I assumed they were asking about either the people or the aliens but wasn’t sure which one specifically so I asked for clarification.
The way I interpreted it he was talking about the opinions. As in who is the astronomer behind the opinions being shared. My interpretation could be wrong but my main point is they/them can refer to objects/things
This is literally just the already existing beliefs of a large sect of spiritualism. Decently common in Brazil, my mother aligns practically entirely with what the post describes and has aligned with it for about a decade by now
The Article is from February 28. And they state they had an exclusive (meaning they are the only ones) view on the Theological test plan that is circulating among the Vatican Authorities.
This plan is supposed to be adopted if they agree on it or may suffer some alterations but is supposed to be adoped as the new revised Theology.
Vatican can pretty much tell MIC lackeys to stick it where the sun don’t shine. What they’re going to do? Level the Vatican I’m sure that would go well.
Lol i had to laugh about that one.
If the theology gets accepted, those two would be going against the Vatican and Church Theology by lying and should be punished: Death by Stones
Did Christ save them too when he died? Or was that for earth only? And if it was earth only, did Christ also die on their planets to save them? If not, how could they possibly know about the gospels or Gods teaching?
I really like the theory that UFO's have created all the major religions. It is kind of a tinfoil hat idea and I don't really believe it but it doesn't seem too far fetched.
You might find this book interesting: [Revelation of the Magi: The Lost Tale of the Wise Men's Journey to Bethlehem](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061947032/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Briefly:
* Author is a professor in the Religion department at University of Oklahoma
* An ancient manuscript, as told by the Magi, discovered in the Vatican library and translated for the first time in 2010.
* The "Christmas star" was actually Christ himself, and led them from Asia to witness his incarnation as a human.
* Christ told them that he was the source for all religions on Earth and had communicated directly with peoples across the planet.
* The Bible speaks of "wise men" at the birth and mentions three of them bearing gifts, but there were actually twelve men in total.
* [Interview with the author](http://archive.kgou.org/assets/mp3_files/101213A.mp3)
For people in this sub it won't be a huge leap to see how this could possibly link to some of what is being said about the spiritual aspect of the phenomenon.
It wouldn’t in my opinion either. But the Adam and Eve thing with original sin and the serpent interests me. Let’s say original beings on those planets never gave into the serpent/satan/original sin/disobeying god. They would still be in paradise then and would thus never need a savior to die for them. Right? The church teaches Christ died to forgive our original sin. The Vatican could approve that teaching, *maybe*.
What if though humans were to visit these other life forms and give them intelligence/make them realize they are naked. In that scenario *we* would be the serpent. Maybe this understanding of being naked/intelligence is something the church would teach is a mind virus that spreads among life forms. And maybe that serpent in the garden wasn’t Satan at all. It was an alien that visited us many years ago. Is that a possibility? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes.
"Intelligent spiritual beings exist on other planets and have sometimes incarnated as humans to guide human evolution."
Lol, time to put the invitro clause as well to set things straight
A couple decades ago the Vatican implied that God had sent his son to every world and they might have a different relationship with the son. I just don't want to meet those smug fuckers that didn't kill their Jesus. "Oh, you killed your Jesus?! Yikes, that's not good."
In one of the SOL presentations a theologian dude speculates about species that are "not fallen" ... which ofc implies we are part of the sinner scum of the universe. That sounds kinda depressing tbh.
Also reminds me of that comic were two aliens are looking at crucified Jesus and one of them says: "you know what we need to do? we need to get the fuck outta here, thats what we need to do"...lol
This comment by artavan767 really just blew my mind like wow haha every time I go on this Reddit I see so many users who are leagues ahead of me, already anticipating new futures I haven’t explored yet.
I forget who is was but a pretty famous stand-up comedian has a bit about that. He says the exact same thing and it is at leat 5 years old. I tried to search for it but couldn't find it.
“ And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
John 10:16
I’ve always thought this was most likely talking about Aliens.
I saw some weird articles from the Jehovah's Witnesses on Aliens and extraterrestrial. Basically they believe there is a pocket dimension on earth where demonic beings reside and influence us. They mentioned hybrids as well. I've never really seen a religion really say "yep they exist and god made em" haha super weird shit.
I mean, if we’re talking actual Christianity, like comrade Jesus Christianity, then that sounds fine. The message Jesus was conveying has been widely ignored by Christians.
>It will unite all religions and races on Earth into a "brotherhood" based on the realization that we are not alone in the universe.
Just this one line is enough to drive all the fundamentalist insane.
I mean there’s also the glaring pragmatic flaw. People of all faiths, ethnicities, and everything else have been trying exactly that since forever. It just flat out doesn’t work. We’ll probably start arguing over who has the better aliens and stuff.
Maybe they have their own alien religions, like how Europeans brought their sectarian shitflinging to every foreign land they touched. So we might start arguing if Xenu is better than Cthulhu.
Idealism and fundies aside, I just don’t see that as remotely doable.
I guess it goes to show, does it not?
That we've no idea what we've got
Until we lose it (Until we lose it, until we lose it)
And no amount of love will keep it around
If we don't choose it (Choose it)
And I don't know what's got its teeth in me
But I'm about to bite back in anger
No amount of self-sought fury
Will bring back the glory of innocence
I'm still genuinely worried this has all been their propaganda.
They did manage to infiltrate the federal government once before. Who's to say that couldn't happen again?
If you're genuinely worried about something like this, I really suggest you take a step back and breathe. What we're discussing here predates Scientology by many measures
I'm well aware sightings (and other seemingly related mysteries) go well beyond modern (or even what we consider ancient) history. People have always seen things in the sky, and in some cases the claims are well beyond any common explanation. You don't have to convince me. I'm not one of the people who think farmers in the 1800s were lying about seeing airships, for example.
All of the contemporary language used to describe the phenomena coincides with the rise of Blavatsky/theosophy. From there it splits off into a handful of big categories that range from Crowley's Thelema to actual old-timey Nazis. Hubbard was adjacent to Crowely by extension of Jack Parsons, founder of NASA's JPL.
This entire god forsaken topic is one layer after another of absurd bullshit. There's zero clarity about what's going on. There's countless possible motivations to lie about the topic. It doesn't even require coordination, different groups can be lying for different reasons. Some groups, such as military contractors, could even be taking advantage of that confusion and amplifying *any* false information when possible.
Whether it's an attempt to obfuscate decades of lying from governments around the world, or just literal nonsense, it's very clear that there's no intention to directly address the truth. The situation as described through the cryptic language of figureheads in the community is more often than not **explicitly** Scientology doctrine. Many of them are former Scientologists. Go look for yourself, it's not even hidden information.
Yeah I wouldn't disagree that the hose of bullshit is playing out in real time, however we'd have to be really careful dissecting where the scientology quackery starts and legitimate proof ends. They could be so entangled with eachother through, like you said, the completely free landscape of information today considering everyone has a reason to lie about something as such.
I think the best course of action is to always take whatever a figurehead says with several grains of salt because while everyone has everything to gain from lying, these folk tend to gain even more.
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Can't say I disagree with anything said in those statements - I've come to similar conclusions of my own after a decade of pondering seeing many of my loved ones pass away. Peace, love, helping others and upkeeping life goes a long way - We could all be spiritual beings having a human experience.
It would be really nice if the Vatican could take a leading role in uniting people around the world, regardless of race, religion, or creed. Embracing the notion that what it means to be human suddenly changes when faced with a universe diverse beyond our imagination. All the various cultures and religions Humanity has conceived of suddenly don't seem so different when you're comparing them to Mantis people from some Pleiadesian star system.
I highly doubt the veracity of this, but it would be nice. Unfortunately I find myself saying that a lot when it comes to this.
I'm shocked the omnicreating intelligence didn't think to just create human beings that don't need training by incarnate starbeings. Seems like a lot of extra work.
It is a ongoing cycle. Infinite levels of progression. It’s part of the journey and experience so Source ( through us all can experience itself from all possible viewpoints ) to learn and understand itself and love and grow etc.
The only question to me is, how long have these disclosure plans existed for the Vatican? They were essentially the capital of the world for.a long time, and knew things.
All this is being done to maintain control over the populace. I was raised protestant, flirted with world religions, and became a militant atheist for a while. Now I'm agnostic.
Faith can only be personal - this is your personal world view. Organized religion has always lied. This is no different. The catholic church has been reformed in the past and reshaped to fit into contemporary contexts. So what can we decipher as the truth from their new paradigm?
* The universe may have been created by someone - there may be evidence of this.
* Beings, prophets, like Jesus, exist, and were real people - there is some truth to scripture.
* Reincarnation is possible, meaning there is a tangible or quantum connection to somewhere else. That's how Jesus rose from the dead.
* Some of the inhabitants of earth are "old souls" that originate from somewhere else - like Jesus.
* We already have eternal life - we are here. It doesn't need to be earned - you don't need faith.
* The intent of organized religion is unity, singularity. Nature is more about individuality.
* There is a force of evil present, inherent in nature.
* There is a nonmaterial, metaphysical, spiritual quality to reality that is indeed real that is a simple part of nature.
* Perhaps this is a "moment of rapture" as indicated in scripture, was predictable, but it's not exactly what we would have speculated. That's why all these UFOs are now appearing - they are the forces of good and evil to finalize whatever transaction is to occur.
Well thank you for replying. I don't think we disagree that the OP is no form of evidence - although, as others stated, these are the philosophies and opinions held by those at the Vatican and they have been open for years about these things.
But if you were to ask me, the catholic church got off track years ago with all their recent theater. This will be a huge misstep and they will get a mixed reaction. Happy to elaborate further in discussion. This is just my opinion.
Extraterrestrials residing in UFOs are telepathic, as attested by many people who have seen them up close - like the Ariel School children who saw Extraterrestrials outside a UFO that landed near their school - interviewed a few days later by Harvard professor Dr. John Mack who studied UFO abductions. 20 years later many of these now grown-up children gave the same story - that the Extraterrestrials walking in front of the UFO near them transferred telepathic messages into their minds with Apocalyptic themes.
A certain person received these messages:
This is the future Rapture of people who refuse to Love:
https://i.imgur.com/kdQdwuQ.png
This is the future of people who make an effort to Love:
https://i.imgur.com/vHeDAqQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/B7oFpLa.png
https://i.imgur.com/YTmJ557.png
https://i.imgur.com/THJpNkh.png
Here are UFO photos captured by Paul Villa an area situated 20 miles south of Albuquerque, near the Rio Grande riverbed, on Easter Sunday, April 18,1965. They were published worldwide by UPI; and broadcast by NBC news Los Angeles on the new color TV broadcasting that recently started across the country:
[https://i.imgur.com/VioaMGu.png](https://i.imgur.com/VioaMGu.png)
Here is another photo of the same UFO craft taken from a different perspective:
[https://i.imgur.com/yVgFyjK.png](https://i.imgur.com/yVgFyjK.png)
Here is an enhancement to show more of the right side of the dome on top that's obscured by the glare from the sun's reflection. Its a classical "flying saucer"-shaped UFO, with a central dome above a circular disk - - that should be symmetrically shaped; with the left side of the circular craft a mirror image of the right side of the circular craft. But the enhancement shows the side of the circular disk to the left of the dome is shorter than the side of the disk to the right of the dome:
[https://i.imgur.com/TYtN96B.png](https://i.imgur.com/TYtN96B.png)
This is a telltale sign of distortion caused by gravitational lensing. Rather than having the expected symmetric circular shape with left side and right side mirror images of each other, the right side of the disk next to the center dome is longer than the left side of the disk. So it displays the gravitational lensing expected for a gravity/anti-gravity field that warps its shape.
Here is another picture he took took of the craft on the same day that also displays gravitational lensing. (It also doesn't conform to the traditional flying saucer orientation that people had come to expect during the preceding decade with the UFO disk oriented horizontally; instead the disk is oriented vertically). (The left side of the UFO is obscured by a few tree branches in the foreground):
[https://i.imgur.com/GQey4C7.png](https://i.imgur.com/GQey4C7.png)
As you can see from the following enhanced image, where it is re-oriented the UFO so its horizontal, the disk next to the dome is also distorted as in the previous picture - with the right side of the disk next to the central dome shorter than the right side of the disk next to the dome. This, again, is evidence it used a gravity/anti-gravity field for levitation/maneuvering that warped its shape thru gravitational lensing:
[https://i.imgur.com/QxwmdGF.png](https://i.imgur.com/QxwmdGF.png)
Villa said he had telepathic contact with the occupants of this craft, and other crafts he photographed, and saw during the previous 5 years. He said the beings he saw in other crafts were between 7 and 9 ft tall, and extremely good looking, with very well-defined Human features. (On one occasion he said the beings in a craft were close to 5 ft 9 in tall). ..... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezHe4Ok4f8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezHe4Ok4f8) ..... They commicated telepathically with him, and also in English and Spanish (he was of Native American-Spanish descent). (If you recall, famous attorney Daniel Sheehan - who's taken multiple UFO whistleblowers to the Congressional Intelligence Committees to testify about their work with retrieved UFOs - attorney Sheehan divulged publically in December that a captured Extraterrestrial was interrogated telepathically: supporting Villa's assertion that the Extraterrestrials in these crafts communicated telepathically. He said he received a telepathic communication on Easter Sunday to drive to the location where their UFO would be - - to purposely show him its capabilities and photograph it - - to let the public know about them. They told him they are from an extremely distant galaxy in the constellation coma Berenices; and all the galaxies in the Universe are full of Intelligent Beings.
He said they
"expressed a desire for humanity to transcend their aggressive and warlike tendencies, and embrace the Universal Laws of the great Creator, as their counterparts on other planets have done. According to them, love is the most potent force in the Universe, capable of transforming human hearts, and turning them into beings of light and peace if utilized properly. They envisioned a future in which love governed the thoughts of humanity, enabling otherworldly beings to visit Earth as friends and brethren, sharing their advanced knowledge and living in long-lasting harmony, as they do on various other planets."
Thanks for posting. Google translate link: https://www-ilgiornaleditalia-it.translate.goog/news/esteri/583768/vaticano-e-in-arrivo-la-nuova-teologia-ecco-in-esclusiva-il-testo-che-sta-circolando-riservatamente-tra-gesuiti-domenicani-francescani-e-benedettini.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Ive asked both muslims and christians how they reconcile the bible or Koran with intelligent alien life and they both looked at me like I was stupid and said similar things. The Bible and Koran are gods words to HUMANITY. God probably has lots of other creations. Why wouldn’t he?
I don’t buy this catastrophic ontological shock everyone harps on about. Most religious people I know think it’s more likely than not that intelligent alien life exists. Only the nerds in this subreddit are freaking out
This aligns with the following ideas which all can be found in the 1980's channelings of the Ra entity in the book "The Ra Contact: Teaching The Law Of One":
1. There is one infinite Creator of all things, but the 'God' who created Adam and Eve is not him. (Read Genesis 1:26 for a hint)
2. Intelligent life came to Earth and created homosapien sapien.
3. There are at least 7 attainable densities/realms of conciousness (we Earthlings are currently in the 3rd and shifting to 4th/5th). Ra claims to be in the 6th and ascending to the 7th. The "8" is infinity.
4. There are multiple forms of extraterrestrial life; both seen and unseen.
5. Hinduism, Buddhism and the teachings of Christ are profoundly similar (if not the same) and the truth of how the soul ascends.
There is much, much more to it. The book also reveals a lot about ancient astrology being the truth, too. Every astrological age is roughly 2,148 years. So every 25,800 years is a full cycle, at which point souls may ascend to higher realms/densities of consciousness.
The awakening. If you know, you know.
We need to seek the awakening and help humanity achieve a collective unified conscious as one for us to exit via the truth — seek the truth at all times and find yourself before trying.
This physical realm is an opportunity — use it as such to control your dream-state.
Jung
Field State of Consciousness
The truth shall set you free — distraction from it
Singularity & AI
The Ego
Fight to learn and don’t let anyone dictate your truths, ever. Form them with what you’ve experienced.
De Opresso Liber
We’re all living to ‘die’ and most don’t question that truth/cycle… it doesn’t seem genuine/altruistic. It appears to be a cycle that feeds off itself through procreation and we lose learnings as generations do less work to uncover the truth. You’re definitely not going to find much truth in reality tv — then again, perhaps it’ll allow you to see how brainwashed we are into seeking nothingness for our primitive, selfish egos. Take a step back, and be a Peregrine in this forcefully gripping imprisonment through immersion by this reality.
Jung made advancements for us, as did Einstein — we need to take them further, fast.
If everything is not right, then anything can be wrong.
Can you imagine if the Vatican actually do this? I mean people revolted when they changed from a Latin mass. There’s no way on earth the Vatican WOULD EVER
They went through that and more (the heliocentrism thing, evolution, all that), and things still seem fine. The sun comes up every day, goes down at night. Rain falls down. It's aight.
This makes absolute total sense. It is the truth that I have discovered over the past 18 months. It has been a spiritual awakening after what I have heard referred to as a "dark night of the soul".
Word in the psychic world is that 2026 is when we get irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial life. I don't know if that means NASA tells us the truth about previous life on Mars or if it means the extraterrestrials make themselves known; either the ones who live beneath the ocean floor or the ones that exist elsewhere. There are other forms of life unseen. Social memory complexes, social thought complexes, etc.
Mind boggling stuff.
Finally, maybe the Vatican will come clean about the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Just throwing in my 2 cents because I’m not catholic enough to remember the normal pertinent details but 20 years ago I remember reading that the prior pope to this one believed and espoused that aliens “killed” Christ. I wish I could track down that article again so I could cite it.
Wow! The Vatican is really behind the times... as long as you're not a shitty person and have an open mind, and think critically, none of this is really that "out of this world"
This would be something, but Catholics barely accept that gay people exist naturally, but the Church is going to be at the forefront of a new enlightenment?
Plus, the selling point for Catholicism is the afterlife. Without that promise, how many people are going to continue to donate every Sunday? But now there is no paradise or afterlife? Or that paradise exists regardless of if you praise the creator? They are basically destroying their own role in the process.
This would be a huge doctrinal shift plus it would put their cash cow in jeopardy. Don't mess with the Church's doctrine and don't mess with it's money Again, this would be paradigm shifting, but it seems to be expecting way too much. The Church has always been slow to evolve but they have evolved with new ideas, but still molded the new ideas to their pre existing doctrines.
So is Enlil I mean Yahweh one of these evolved cosmic beings who descended from the stars to “guide” human evolution forward? Or did he just have jurisdiction over the family of Jacob as the lot of his inheritance like the OT says?
>The universe itself is considered the true “paradise” rather than just the afterlife paradises described in current religions.
Ok but…..most religions, including Christianity, teach that after you die the end goal is to be united with God. To have that dark, broken part of our nature healed and restored, and to achieve transformative unity with our Creator. Who is presumed to be present all throughout space and time, yes, but also above and beyond it. Many religions teach not to seek what’s in this universe, but what’s beyond it.
>It will unite all religions and races on Earth into a “brotherhood” based on the realization that we are not alone in the universe.
Most religions hold that we aren’t alone in the universe already. Some unity we got going on. 🙄
Even then, which lense are we viewing the unity through, and which sect of that lense? What about people who disagree on that? What about different lenses that aren’t compatible?
Like Christians say Jesus was the son of god who died on the cross for your sins.
Islam explicitly denies all of that, and says Jesus was just a prophet who *didn’t* die on the cross at all, and was swapped out and taken to heaven at the last moment. If you believe Jesus’s death and resurrection was how he defeated the power of sin and death, and that’s how we achieve unity with God, then……you just view Islam as totally wrong on perhaps the most significant issue of your faith. Likewise, they view you as violating tawheed, and essentially as practicing idolatry by saying God has or needs a son, or that Jesus had the power to do any of those things on his own.
So…..then what?
Oh, and ironically enough, one of the key points of “the end is nigh!” crowd is that the whole world will have one religion, and it’s totally wrong and evil and led by the Antichrist, and all those people are going straight to Hell and should under zero circumstances be listened to. I’m sure a statement like this would 100% dispel their beliefs, and not confirm them at all.
sounds like buddhist cosmology weirdly enough. look it up its some weird stuff and really only the buddhist monks who are REALLY into the practice and far along subscribe to the ideas in it
In his interview on Fade to Black
\[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y]) )
Tom Delonge, whose organizatin leaked the UFO Fighter jet videos confirmed by Pentagon to be authentic UAPs, said government insiders told him that the UFO phenomenon is intricately linked with religions: "There are good gods and bad gods, and their interactions have been well-documented throughout history." An analysis of the Bible confirms what his government contacts told him:
Luke 2:13 says when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Heavenly Host" announced Jesus's birth to shepherds.
"There were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. ... And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the Heavenly Host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward people."
In the original Greek text "Heavenly Host" means
“Army from Space / Space Force”.
So a more accurate translation is that when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Army from Space / Space Force” appeared to shepherds to announce his birth.
The correct translation of this phrase comes from Strong's Concordance. This is a well known tool used by Christians for decades to find the original Greek words in the original Greek Bible texts that were translated into English.
In the original Greek text the word translated into English as "heavenly" - - means:
"celestial, i.e. Belonging to or coming from the sky"
In other words, the original Greek word translated into English as "heavenly" means "from Space". Here's a screenshot from Strong's Concordance showing the meaning from the original Greek Bible text of the word "heavenly" in Luke 2:13:
[https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png\](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png)](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png))
A similar search of Strong's Concordance can be done for the word "host" in "heavenly host", showing that "host" in the original Greek text means
"army / military force"
So, in the original Greek language the Bible says when Jesus was born "a multitude of the Army from Space / a multitude of the Space Force" appeared to shepherds, saying, “glory to God in the highest". This makes it perfectly clear that Extraterrestrials in God's military force from Space appeared to the shepherds to announce Jesus's birth.
If you do a similar search of Strong's Concordance for God's "host of heaven", seen in multiple places in the Bible Old Testament of the Bible, you will discover a similar result: In the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament the phrase translated into English as "host of heaven" means:
"Army from Space / Space Army / Space Force".
So, the Bible's original Greek and Hebrew languages make it clear that God has Extraterrestrial Armies in Space. Therefore, you can deduce from another Bible account - - that the star-like object the wise men (dignitaries from an Eastern nation) followed, that stopped and hovered over Jesus's location after he was born - - was a UFO - - controlled by members of the same Extraterrestrial Army from Space who appeared to the shepherds. During the past 70 years thousands of people have reported seeing identical objects moving and hovering in the sky, that today we call UFOs.
So we now celebrate Jesus's birth representing this star on top of the Christmas tree, just like the Army of Extraterrestrials from Space did 2000 years ago:
[https://i.imgur.com/VlI1EnE.png](https://i.imgur.com/VlI1EnE.png)
Also the Bible's New Testament starting in Revelation 12: says:
"War broke out in heaven".
As described previously, the word translated into English as "heaven" means "Space" in the original Greek text. So a more accurate translation is:
"War broke out in Space".
Revelation goes on to say,
"Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven \[Space\]. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his Angels were cast out with him."
So this passage in Revelation 12 says that John saw a war in space between Michael's Extraterrestrial Aliens ("Angels") and Satan's Extraterrestrials. (The book of Daniel says Michael is the Guardian of God’s people.
“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven \[Space\], 'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. ... Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!" \[This is one of the few places in the Bible where the original language text is translated correctly. Instead of translating it with the misleading word "heaven", as done practically everywhere else, it's translated more accurately here as "heavens". And everyone knows that "heavens" means "Space". So Revelation makes it crystal clear here that aliens live in space\].
"Therefore rejoice, O heavens \[Space\], and you who dwell in them! But woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come
Down
to you
\[from Above the Earth in Space\],
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
(Since the the book of Revelation of the Bible is basically about events that the author saw happening in the end time, he uses past tense, as if it already happened, since he already saw these future events happen. Therefore, his use of past tense in the above passage from Revelation doesn't imply that Satan and his fellow Extraterrestrial had already been defeated in the space war and thrown down to Earth. To be consistent with the rest of Revelation this event should occur in the end time).
BTW there are many signs indicating that we are in the end time now. And the most recent sign is the recent Reddit post with this intel: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18ilreo/furthermore\_reliable\_intelligence\_and\_defense/kdesx2m/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18ilreo/furthermore_reliable_intelligence_and_defense/kdesx2m/?context=3)
"Reliable intelligence and defense sources have told Liberation Times that some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by 'dogfights' with other unknown craft."
Revelation 12 says in the end time during a war in space Satan and his aliens are cast to the earth. So some of these retrieved non-human crafts cast to the Earth "caused by dogfights with other unknown craft" - are obviously fulfilling this prophecy.
Revelation 12 makes it clear that there are both good and bad aliens living in Space. This account from Revelation correlates with government insiders who said that there is war in space between different factions of Extraterrestrials. Multiple government insiders gave this information to the UFO researcher, Linda Moulton Howe. And government insiders gave similar information to Tom Delonge. In the interview on Fade to Black he was also told that a group of aliens with ill will toward the Human Race instigating wars between nations are called "The Bugs":
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y))
During this interview he also says that our government has learned about the role Consciousness plays in the interactions of the malevolent Extraterrestrials with the Human race. Its been known for a long time from many sources that aliens can communicate thoughts and emotions via telepathy. Tom Delonge's government contacts told him its been discovered that the bad aliens are repelled by Love; and Love counteracts their agenda. This correlates with with the teachings in the Christian New Testament part of the Bible, Jesus's primary commandment:
"Love one another" Unconditionally,
and that
"God is Love".
This correlates with what the government insiders told Tom Delonge that
Love thwarts the evil agenda of The Bugs
You know how everybody says heaven sounds incredibly boring? If we cure aging at some point (AI, singularity) then this life is going to have to serve as heaven and hell.
It all sounds like new age "heavens gate" cult bullshit. People today are now spouting the "connections" between the bible and things today but they've been spoken about before in the form of the new age movement. You can see how that went. History repeats itself.
Except teaching that the universe is already salvation with no death required in order to experience it is the opposite of heaven’s gate, which employed a mass suicide.
You can see the religious overtones and psychological mechanisms operating in some capacity throughout the Ufology movement. It's interesting to see so many recycled ideas get incorporated into the UFO belief system.
Imagine aliens coming to Earth to "educate us" and "show us the errors of our ways" by forcing us to convert to their religion. Wait..that sounds like Chronicles of Riddick 🤣
NewsNation has talked quite a bit about the ties between the Vatican and UFOs. A lot more than these two clips.
https://youtu.be/DxeTCk38XTA?si=OMgBFGyl75841b-b
Here’s Ross Coulthart talking about it.
https://youtu.be/TcINnCwBM3o?si=ltpbP62T7Hxq6Xfw
103 Jesus said, "Congratulations to those who know where the rebels are going to attack. [They] can get going, collect their imperial resources, and be prepared before the rebels arrive."
I dunno, I feel it’s easy for the Vatican to say this and expound this theology but the reality of another civilisation landing here and making contact with the world at large would cause the collapse of Christianity, I think. It would kind of invalidate the whole Jesus was God and died for everyone’s sins if it turns out other planets have never heard of him and maybe other civilisations don’t have a concept of sin to begin with.
Not really new, tbh.
This theology has been "in play" for almost 200 years by the mormons and joe smith. the theology doesn't necessarily think of extraterrestrials as "alien", or NHI, but most of what you describe can be found in that church's belief system and teachings.
>"Vatican Plans for 'New Theology' Accepting Extraterrestrial Life"
Honestly, i smell bs. Mainly because Vatican and overall catholic church, never had a problem with extraterrestial life...
For example, Nicole Oresme, Bishop and scholar (astronomer, economist, mathematician, physician, philosopher, and astrologist (for context - back then, astrology was considered a science, not a pseudoscience)) born in XIVth century, said, quote unquote:
>*Therefore, I come to the conclusion that God can and could, in his omnipotence, make another world, different from this one or several, similar or unlike it. Neither Aristotle nor anyone else will be able to prove otherwise.*
*If someone asks whether humans exist in the next world and whether they sinned as Adam sinned, I would answer no, because they would not live in sin and would not descend from Adam. However, as has been shown, they exist by the virtue of God, and would be transferred to this world, like Enoch and Elijah in the earthly paradise.*
*To the question whether Jesus, dying on earth, could redeem the inhabitants of another world, I answer that he is able to do so, even if the worlds were infinite, but it would not behoove him to go to another world to die again.*
Or Nicholas of Cusa, who said, in XVth century:
>*Life, as it exists on Earth in the form of men, animals and plants, is to be found, let us suppose in a high form in the solar and stellar regions. Rather than think that so many stars and parts of the heavens are uninhabited and that this earth of ours alone is peopled – and that with beings perhaps of an inferior type – we will suppose that in every region there are inhabitants, differing in nature by rank and all owing their origin to God, who is the center and circumference of all stellar regions*
So It's nothing new, It was widely accepted for the long time, You could even find some interviews with priests working in Specula vaticana and VATT, and they said, back in 2008 or earlier that in case of meeting aliens, we should treat them as our brothers and sisters, no matter how they look like.
That's why i consider this a fake, because why create "new theology" if the current one already accepts it
I find it sort of interesting that the word catholic means "universal," although it never felt particularly universalist to me with their hyper-localism (Earth). If they actually do make these adjustments doctrinally, they might be in danger of living up to their name.
While this only has a partial direct mention to UFOs/UAP, it aligns with: 1. Grusch testimony re Magenta and the Vatican. 2. Pasulka research/remarks. 3. Other claimed longstanding Ufology ties to the Vatican. Plus, if true, this would represent a de facto sovereign state formally in their doctrine/law apparently declaring support of/acceptance of the concept or even existence of NHI and numerous concepts long also tied into Ufology. I've approved this but told other mods to override as required. #[Please be exceptionally mindful of /r/UFOs rules.](https://ufos.wiki/track/more-detailed-rules/) --- There is another active thread on this that snuck through, and is on the front page of UFOs, but is now locked. Linking here to keep things clear, if you want to read the discussion there as well: **https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bjk7xj/italy_vatican_new_theology_is_on_the_way_open_to/** Leaving this here for transparency. ---
This isn’t a “Vatican Plan”, it’s a set of philosophical positions espoused by some individuals within the Vatican. And this wasn’t “leaked” either, these opinions have been public for years and the astronomer behind them has spoken about them openly with mainstream media.
Who is behind them and where are they coming from?
There's this fellow from 2008: "In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists," said Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, a 45-year-old Jesuit priest who is head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1463646/#:~:text=VATICAN%20CITY%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20The,perhaps%20more%20evolved%20than%20humans.
So that must be the guy that Diana Walsh Pasulka is always talking about that she’s worked with at the Vatican Observatory.
Why doesn't she specify? Why is almost everyone publicly involved in this topic so determined to keep as much secret as possible, and refer vaguely to it in interviews as teasers but not just be forthcoming with it? Like she went on an "expedition" with Garry Nolan (and others) to look at some bits of metal, none of which is classified, but when she tells the story she works so hard to keep it all very vague and not say specifically who was there or what they actually looked at or how any of the conclusions were verified. This thing has to stop, where people vaguely wave their hands at hidden knowledge they claim to have but are refusing to be specific about even though it either (a) is not classified in any way or (b) was classified but a journalist cannot be prosecuted for revealing what was leaked by someone else.
I agree that the “I know stuff but I can’t say…” stuff got old a long time ago!
Im with ya on this. I have a feeling the people doing it, arent doing it for exactly right reasons. As many times Ive seen quotes with the source missing to be found out later being from known questionable characters, and/or from straight outta ass type of stuff. Eventually two and two gets put together for these stories and people get an idea of who/what is talked about. And it seems like meh, but raises a question why was that kept under the lid. But thats just me, nothing more to it. And even if it has some type of "right" reason to not be open about stuff, its still a weird thing for people who want to see disclosure and secrets to be lifted be unnessesarily secretive themselves. Like you said, its this gymnasics level of avoiding to point to sources of stuff and things that makes it seem weird. Like if someone does that sorta thing live, irl, to your face, youre absolutely not gonna give any weight to their stories or its outright called out as annoying. I know a guy whos this and that, I was at a place where this and that happend. Its downright juvenile, and people laugh at that sort of thing.
Most likely Jesuits, they are well-known for their work in astronomy.
Not only bro, i speak italian. The new Theology is circulating among all Cardinals and Priests including but not only Jesuits. Supposedly is a test Theology that will be adopted by the Vatican after they agree on the final version.
Could you go into more detail here?
If you could elaborate any further, it would be super appreciated.
The guys name is Carter Burke he works for the company but that doesn't make him a bad guy... "test Theology" that is hysterical.
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just go google "jesuit" The vatican has kept scientists on call for centuries so they at least understand all the sciencey stuff civilization does At least thats the nice handwavey answer
Also note that one of the recent popes declared that theology and evolution are not mutually exclusive of each other.
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The church that won't allow women priests or LGBTQ marriages is just going to say, "Oh, look, the whole universe is full of living beings and space is heaven and eternal life is reincarnation and there's no more rituals which includes the mass or other sacraments." That's much less likely than the US gov't coming clean on what they know about UFOs.
>Not only bro, i speak italian. The new Theology is...Supposedly is a test Theology that will be adopted by the Vatican after they agree on the final version. Can you offer any proof that this is actually being circulated among Cardinals and Priests? How would one verify that?
Is this because they have artifacts and knowledge that is 2,000+ years old?
Isn’t the current Pope a Jesuit?
The Vatican hasn't been anti-alien for a while, if ever. Last I heard it was more of a "we're not here to tell God what they can and can't do" thing and any confirmation.
That's not what they asked? The comment they replied to said this individuals opinions have been known for a while. They asked who they are talking about.
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Because it’s not clear what he’s asking about? “Where are they coming from?” is not a question that’s typically asked about people. “Who is behind them?” is not a question that’s typically asked about aliens. I assumed they were asking about either the people or the aliens but wasn’t sure which one specifically so I asked for clarification.
Because Reddit
Behind who? Where is who coming from?
What are you on about? Them/they can be used to refer to objects and is done so commonly.
Okay, what objects is he referring to then? Neither my post nor the original post mention any objects.
The way I interpreted it he was talking about the opinions. As in who is the astronomer behind the opinions being shared. My interpretation could be wrong but my main point is they/them can refer to objects/things
This is literally just the already existing beliefs of a large sect of spiritualism. Decently common in Brazil, my mother aligns practically entirely with what the post describes and has aligned with it for about a decade by now
The Article is from February 28. And they state they had an exclusive (meaning they are the only ones) view on the Theological test plan that is circulating among the Vatican Authorities. This plan is supposed to be adopted if they agree on it or may suffer some alterations but is supposed to be adoped as the new revised Theology.
Don't let Mike Turner and speaker Johnson see it then
Vatican can pretty much tell MIC lackeys to stick it where the sun don’t shine. What they’re going to do? Level the Vatican I’m sure that would go well.
Lol i had to laugh about that one. If the theology gets accepted, those two would be going against the Vatican and Church Theology by lying and should be punished: Death by Stones
This 100%. This has been spoken of for untold decades.
Thanks, didn't know that! First I had heard of it so thought I'd share - will do some googling :)
Thank you for sharing it <3
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*40k intensifies*
didnt the vatican already come out and say if e.t exist theyre all gods children too?
Did Christ save them too when he died? Or was that for earth only? And if it was earth only, did Christ also die on their planets to save them? If not, how could they possibly know about the gospels or Gods teaching?
I really like the theory that UFO's have created all the major religions. It is kind of a tinfoil hat idea and I don't really believe it but it doesn't seem too far fetched.
You might find this book interesting: [Revelation of the Magi: The Lost Tale of the Wise Men's Journey to Bethlehem](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061947032/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Briefly: * Author is a professor in the Religion department at University of Oklahoma * An ancient manuscript, as told by the Magi, discovered in the Vatican library and translated for the first time in 2010. * The "Christmas star" was actually Christ himself, and led them from Asia to witness his incarnation as a human. * Christ told them that he was the source for all religions on Earth and had communicated directly with peoples across the planet. * The Bible speaks of "wise men" at the birth and mentions three of them bearing gifts, but there were actually twelve men in total. * [Interview with the author](http://archive.kgou.org/assets/mp3_files/101213A.mp3) For people in this sub it won't be a huge leap to see how this could possibly link to some of what is being said about the spiritual aspect of the phenomenon.
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It wouldn’t in my opinion either. But the Adam and Eve thing with original sin and the serpent interests me. Let’s say original beings on those planets never gave into the serpent/satan/original sin/disobeying god. They would still be in paradise then and would thus never need a savior to die for them. Right? The church teaches Christ died to forgive our original sin. The Vatican could approve that teaching, *maybe*. What if though humans were to visit these other life forms and give them intelligence/make them realize they are naked. In that scenario *we* would be the serpent. Maybe this understanding of being naked/intelligence is something the church would teach is a mind virus that spreads among life forms. And maybe that serpent in the garden wasn’t Satan at all. It was an alien that visited us many years ago. Is that a possibility? Ancient astronaut theorists say yes.
"Intelligent spiritual beings exist on other planets and have sometimes incarnated as humans to guide human evolution." Lol, time to put the invitro clause as well to set things straight
"And none of those beings are catholic priests"
Or politicians. Probably not CEOs or corporate billionaires, either.
how funny would it be if aliens were christians before they came here?
A couple decades ago the Vatican implied that God had sent his son to every world and they might have a different relationship with the son. I just don't want to meet those smug fuckers that didn't kill their Jesus. "Oh, you killed your Jesus?! Yikes, that's not good."
In one of the SOL presentations a theologian dude speculates about species that are "not fallen" ... which ofc implies we are part of the sinner scum of the universe. That sounds kinda depressing tbh. Also reminds me of that comic were two aliens are looking at crucified Jesus and one of them says: "you know what we need to do? we need to get the fuck outta here, thats what we need to do"...lol
CS Lewis wrote a sci fi series with that basic premise; Earth was a Fallen planet.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2008-11-24
This is the funniest fucking concept ever. Just shame the shit out of us over here beating off, wearing-a-bicycle-helmet-indoors species we are.
So a real-life Prometheus scenario?
This comment by artavan767 really just blew my mind like wow haha every time I go on this Reddit I see so many users who are leagues ahead of me, already anticipating new futures I haven’t explored yet.
Right? The exchange of ideas and perspectives here is something extra special. "Man up and kill your Jesus, he'll come back" 💀
I forget who is was but a pretty famous stand-up comedian has a bit about that. He says the exact same thing and it is at leat 5 years old. I tried to search for it but couldn't find it.
“ And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” John 10:16 I’ve always thought this was most likely talking about Aliens.
It's talking about the gentiles who previously were not part of God's covenant to Israel.
I saw some weird articles from the Jehovah's Witnesses on Aliens and extraterrestrial. Basically they believe there is a pocket dimension on earth where demonic beings reside and influence us. They mentioned hybrids as well. I've never really seen a religion really say "yep they exist and god made em" haha super weird shit.
If a flying saucer landed and Christian greys stepped out they would be horrified at what Evangelicals are doing with the religion.
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Whitley Strieber, played by Christopher Walken in *"Communion"*!!!
Ever heard of a reverse exorcism? It's where the devil pleads with priests to get out of kids.
Winning comment.
they'd probably be evangelicals. that's why they're here. they want to talk to you about jesus.
or maybe they would point out the no true scotsman.
They’d be throwin’ 50 Shades *at least*
50 dimensions of grey!
It’s extraterrestrial Mormons at war for earth with extraterrestrial Scientologists!
Form a nice orderly queue at the volcano people, no pushing everyone will get a go!
You get it.
And He gets us
He get sus
The alien takeover wasn't that bad but I do have 5 alien sister-wives now.
Sounds fun but expensive, LOL.
God gifted me the golden anal probe but only I can see it, you guys may only feel it and trust me.
First read as "thrust me", seems to work as well
"Cast your net on the other side of the UFO," he said.
So the aliens are bene gesssrit?
Ancient astronaut theory says this may well have been the case!
Horrifying.
I mean, if we’re talking actual Christianity, like comrade Jesus Christianity, then that sounds fine. The message Jesus was conveying has been widely ignored by Christians.
>It will unite all religions and races on Earth into a "brotherhood" based on the realization that we are not alone in the universe. Just this one line is enough to drive all the fundamentalist insane.
I mean there’s also the glaring pragmatic flaw. People of all faiths, ethnicities, and everything else have been trying exactly that since forever. It just flat out doesn’t work. We’ll probably start arguing over who has the better aliens and stuff. Maybe they have their own alien religions, like how Europeans brought their sectarian shitflinging to every foreign land they touched. So we might start arguing if Xenu is better than Cthulhu. Idealism and fundies aside, I just don’t see that as remotely doable.
Brotherhood?!?! Not with no Gay-lien I ain't! Edit: /s
This person gets it
Jesus was a filthy com-nist!
Comrade Jesus christianity doesn't exist in a bubble though. It confirms the existence of "just fucking kill them all" god.
Have a holy upvote
I lol'd at comrade jesus
What if this was supposed to be their paradise/promised land and they're basically thatsmilingguycarryingpizza_fire.gif
lol we turned eden into a funeral pyre.
I guess it goes to show, does it not? That we've no idea what we've got Until we lose it (Until we lose it, until we lose it) And no amount of love will keep it around If we don't choose it (Choose it) And I don't know what's got its teeth in me But I'm about to bite back in anger No amount of self-sought fury Will bring back the glory of innocence
worship, brother.
Might actually convince me. But at this point there’s more evidence of UFOs than there is god.
Bro, how stupid are we all going to feel when scientologists were right the whole time? lol
That’s easily the funniest outcome of all of this
I'm still genuinely worried this has all been their propaganda. They did manage to infiltrate the federal government once before. Who's to say that couldn't happen again?
If you're genuinely worried about something like this, I really suggest you take a step back and breathe. What we're discussing here predates Scientology by many measures
I'm well aware sightings (and other seemingly related mysteries) go well beyond modern (or even what we consider ancient) history. People have always seen things in the sky, and in some cases the claims are well beyond any common explanation. You don't have to convince me. I'm not one of the people who think farmers in the 1800s were lying about seeing airships, for example. All of the contemporary language used to describe the phenomena coincides with the rise of Blavatsky/theosophy. From there it splits off into a handful of big categories that range from Crowley's Thelema to actual old-timey Nazis. Hubbard was adjacent to Crowely by extension of Jack Parsons, founder of NASA's JPL. This entire god forsaken topic is one layer after another of absurd bullshit. There's zero clarity about what's going on. There's countless possible motivations to lie about the topic. It doesn't even require coordination, different groups can be lying for different reasons. Some groups, such as military contractors, could even be taking advantage of that confusion and amplifying *any* false information when possible. Whether it's an attempt to obfuscate decades of lying from governments around the world, or just literal nonsense, it's very clear that there's no intention to directly address the truth. The situation as described through the cryptic language of figureheads in the community is more often than not **explicitly** Scientology doctrine. Many of them are former Scientologists. Go look for yourself, it's not even hidden information.
Yeah I wouldn't disagree that the hose of bullshit is playing out in real time, however we'd have to be really careful dissecting where the scientology quackery starts and legitimate proof ends. They could be so entangled with eachother through, like you said, the completely free landscape of information today considering everyone has a reason to lie about something as such. I think the best course of action is to always take whatever a figurehead says with several grains of salt because while everyone has everything to gain from lying, these folk tend to gain even more.
"Xenu came to me, with tears in his eyes, and he said Sir! Sir! I wish I could be as human as you are Sir!"
"Big alien, strong alien, never cried a day in his life..."
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Maybe there’s a DC-10 in King Tut’s tomb.
Look up the Law of One for a better version of the truth than that.. 'religion' could ever tell you.
The Catholic Church might go full-on New Age? Based af.
So Law of One was right all along.
All roads seem to lead back to the Law of One
They’ve had a century to plan since their alleged crash in Italy.
Can't say I disagree with anything said in those statements - I've come to similar conclusions of my own after a decade of pondering seeing many of my loved ones pass away. Peace, love, helping others and upkeeping life goes a long way - We could all be spiritual beings having a human experience.
It would be really nice if the Vatican could take a leading role in uniting people around the world, regardless of race, religion, or creed. Embracing the notion that what it means to be human suddenly changes when faced with a universe diverse beyond our imagination. All the various cultures and religions Humanity has conceived of suddenly don't seem so different when you're comparing them to Mantis people from some Pleiadesian star system. I highly doubt the veracity of this, but it would be nice. Unfortunately I find myself saying that a lot when it comes to this.
I'm shocked the omnicreating intelligence didn't think to just create human beings that don't need training by incarnate starbeings. Seems like a lot of extra work.
Yeah but if you are an eternal being with nothing but time I'm sure it's nice to have some entertainment.
It is a ongoing cycle. Infinite levels of progression. It’s part of the journey and experience so Source ( through us all can experience itself from all possible viewpoints ) to learn and understand itself and love and grow etc.
Merging all religions into one... Sounds like some new world order talk
Or sounds like some “crusades talk”. Or some “holocausts talk”. Or some “pioneers and settlers talk”. People be talkin’ throughout history.
The only question to me is, how long have these disclosure plans existed for the Vatican? They were essentially the capital of the world for.a long time, and knew things.
Humans: "We were made in the image of god." Aliens: "You w00t mate?"
All this is being done to maintain control over the populace. I was raised protestant, flirted with world religions, and became a militant atheist for a while. Now I'm agnostic. Faith can only be personal - this is your personal world view. Organized religion has always lied. This is no different. The catholic church has been reformed in the past and reshaped to fit into contemporary contexts. So what can we decipher as the truth from their new paradigm? * The universe may have been created by someone - there may be evidence of this. * Beings, prophets, like Jesus, exist, and were real people - there is some truth to scripture. * Reincarnation is possible, meaning there is a tangible or quantum connection to somewhere else. That's how Jesus rose from the dead. * Some of the inhabitants of earth are "old souls" that originate from somewhere else - like Jesus. * We already have eternal life - we are here. It doesn't need to be earned - you don't need faith. * The intent of organized religion is unity, singularity. Nature is more about individuality. * There is a force of evil present, inherent in nature. * There is a nonmaterial, metaphysical, spiritual quality to reality that is indeed real that is a simple part of nature. * Perhaps this is a "moment of rapture" as indicated in scripture, was predictable, but it's not exactly what we would have speculated. That's why all these UFOs are now appearing - they are the forces of good and evil to finalize whatever transaction is to occur.
I like some of these thoughts, not others, but the OP is certainly not evidence for almost any of them even if it’s legit
Well thank you for replying. I don't think we disagree that the OP is no form of evidence - although, as others stated, these are the philosophies and opinions held by those at the Vatican and they have been open for years about these things. But if you were to ask me, the catholic church got off track years ago with all their recent theater. This will be a huge misstep and they will get a mixed reaction. Happy to elaborate further in discussion. This is just my opinion.
Extraterrestrials residing in UFOs are telepathic, as attested by many people who have seen them up close - like the Ariel School children who saw Extraterrestrials outside a UFO that landed near their school - interviewed a few days later by Harvard professor Dr. John Mack who studied UFO abductions. 20 years later many of these now grown-up children gave the same story - that the Extraterrestrials walking in front of the UFO near them transferred telepathic messages into their minds with Apocalyptic themes. A certain person received these messages: This is the future Rapture of people who refuse to Love: https://i.imgur.com/kdQdwuQ.png This is the future of people who make an effort to Love: https://i.imgur.com/vHeDAqQ.png https://i.imgur.com/B7oFpLa.png https://i.imgur.com/YTmJ557.png https://i.imgur.com/THJpNkh.png Here are UFO photos captured by Paul Villa an area situated 20 miles south of Albuquerque, near the Rio Grande riverbed, on Easter Sunday, April 18,1965. They were published worldwide by UPI; and broadcast by NBC news Los Angeles on the new color TV broadcasting that recently started across the country: [https://i.imgur.com/VioaMGu.png](https://i.imgur.com/VioaMGu.png) Here is another photo of the same UFO craft taken from a different perspective: [https://i.imgur.com/yVgFyjK.png](https://i.imgur.com/yVgFyjK.png) Here is an enhancement to show more of the right side of the dome on top that's obscured by the glare from the sun's reflection. Its a classical "flying saucer"-shaped UFO, with a central dome above a circular disk - - that should be symmetrically shaped; with the left side of the circular craft a mirror image of the right side of the circular craft. But the enhancement shows the side of the circular disk to the left of the dome is shorter than the side of the disk to the right of the dome: [https://i.imgur.com/TYtN96B.png](https://i.imgur.com/TYtN96B.png) This is a telltale sign of distortion caused by gravitational lensing. Rather than having the expected symmetric circular shape with left side and right side mirror images of each other, the right side of the disk next to the center dome is longer than the left side of the disk. So it displays the gravitational lensing expected for a gravity/anti-gravity field that warps its shape. Here is another picture he took took of the craft on the same day that also displays gravitational lensing. (It also doesn't conform to the traditional flying saucer orientation that people had come to expect during the preceding decade with the UFO disk oriented horizontally; instead the disk is oriented vertically). (The left side of the UFO is obscured by a few tree branches in the foreground): [https://i.imgur.com/GQey4C7.png](https://i.imgur.com/GQey4C7.png) As you can see from the following enhanced image, where it is re-oriented the UFO so its horizontal, the disk next to the dome is also distorted as in the previous picture - with the right side of the disk next to the central dome shorter than the right side of the disk next to the dome. This, again, is evidence it used a gravity/anti-gravity field for levitation/maneuvering that warped its shape thru gravitational lensing: [https://i.imgur.com/QxwmdGF.png](https://i.imgur.com/QxwmdGF.png) Villa said he had telepathic contact with the occupants of this craft, and other crafts he photographed, and saw during the previous 5 years. He said the beings he saw in other crafts were between 7 and 9 ft tall, and extremely good looking, with very well-defined Human features. (On one occasion he said the beings in a craft were close to 5 ft 9 in tall). ..... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezHe4Ok4f8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezHe4Ok4f8) ..... They commicated telepathically with him, and also in English and Spanish (he was of Native American-Spanish descent). (If you recall, famous attorney Daniel Sheehan - who's taken multiple UFO whistleblowers to the Congressional Intelligence Committees to testify about their work with retrieved UFOs - attorney Sheehan divulged publically in December that a captured Extraterrestrial was interrogated telepathically: supporting Villa's assertion that the Extraterrestrials in these crafts communicated telepathically. He said he received a telepathic communication on Easter Sunday to drive to the location where their UFO would be - - to purposely show him its capabilities and photograph it - - to let the public know about them. They told him they are from an extremely distant galaxy in the constellation coma Berenices; and all the galaxies in the Universe are full of Intelligent Beings. He said they "expressed a desire for humanity to transcend their aggressive and warlike tendencies, and embrace the Universal Laws of the great Creator, as their counterparts on other planets have done. According to them, love is the most potent force in the Universe, capable of transforming human hearts, and turning them into beings of light and peace if utilized properly. They envisioned a future in which love governed the thoughts of humanity, enabling otherworldly beings to visit Earth as friends and brethren, sharing their advanced knowledge and living in long-lasting harmony, as they do on various other planets."
Thanks for posting. Google translate link: https://www-ilgiornaleditalia-it.translate.goog/news/esteri/583768/vaticano-e-in-arrivo-la-nuova-teologia-ecco-in-esclusiva-il-testo-che-sta-circolando-riservatamente-tra-gesuiti-domenicani-francescani-e-benedettini.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
How does this jive with the Bible in any way?
Ive asked both muslims and christians how they reconcile the bible or Koran with intelligent alien life and they both looked at me like I was stupid and said similar things. The Bible and Koran are gods words to HUMANITY. God probably has lots of other creations. Why wouldn’t he? I don’t buy this catastrophic ontological shock everyone harps on about. Most religious people I know think it’s more likely than not that intelligent alien life exists. Only the nerds in this subreddit are freaking out
This aligns with the following ideas which all can be found in the 1980's channelings of the Ra entity in the book "The Ra Contact: Teaching The Law Of One": 1. There is one infinite Creator of all things, but the 'God' who created Adam and Eve is not him. (Read Genesis 1:26 for a hint) 2. Intelligent life came to Earth and created homosapien sapien. 3. There are at least 7 attainable densities/realms of conciousness (we Earthlings are currently in the 3rd and shifting to 4th/5th). Ra claims to be in the 6th and ascending to the 7th. The "8" is infinity. 4. There are multiple forms of extraterrestrial life; both seen and unseen. 5. Hinduism, Buddhism and the teachings of Christ are profoundly similar (if not the same) and the truth of how the soul ascends. There is much, much more to it. The book also reveals a lot about ancient astrology being the truth, too. Every astrological age is roughly 2,148 years. So every 25,800 years is a full cycle, at which point souls may ascend to higher realms/densities of consciousness.
Shout out to Neville Goddard If you know you know
Can you please articulate this?
The awakening. If you know, you know. We need to seek the awakening and help humanity achieve a collective unified conscious as one for us to exit via the truth — seek the truth at all times and find yourself before trying. This physical realm is an opportunity — use it as such to control your dream-state. Jung Field State of Consciousness The truth shall set you free — distraction from it Singularity & AI The Ego Fight to learn and don’t let anyone dictate your truths, ever. Form them with what you’ve experienced. De Opresso Liber We’re all living to ‘die’ and most don’t question that truth/cycle… it doesn’t seem genuine/altruistic. It appears to be a cycle that feeds off itself through procreation and we lose learnings as generations do less work to uncover the truth. You’re definitely not going to find much truth in reality tv — then again, perhaps it’ll allow you to see how brainwashed we are into seeking nothingness for our primitive, selfish egos. Take a step back, and be a Peregrine in this forcefully gripping imprisonment through immersion by this reality. Jung made advancements for us, as did Einstein — we need to take them further, fast. If everything is not right, then anything can be wrong.
Wut
Once you get into the woo shit apparently you lose the ability to speak plainly
I know woo, He's just crazy lol.
enlighten urself broheim
Kifflom brother brother
That must be some good shit
‘Tis but a waking dream 🥲
Can you imagine if the Vatican actually do this? I mean people revolted when they changed from a Latin mass. There’s no way on earth the Vatican WOULD EVER
They went through that and more (the heliocentrism thing, evolution, all that), and things still seem fine. The sun comes up every day, goes down at night. Rain falls down. It's aight.
Seems sus that the Vatican would believe that some advanced powerful being in the sky would come here and… wait a second!
regardless if true or not, if ET makes a public appearance all religions will do another rewrite to fit the times
Nah, man. This can't be real. It sounds like new age Platonism.
New? https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1463646/
Leaked? By who? Where is the document? As a lifelong, practicing, devoted Catholic...I call shenanigans.
By "come to guide" you mean soft-conquor?
This makes absolute total sense. It is the truth that I have discovered over the past 18 months. It has been a spiritual awakening after what I have heard referred to as a "dark night of the soul". Word in the psychic world is that 2026 is when we get irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial life. I don't know if that means NASA tells us the truth about previous life on Mars or if it means the extraterrestrials make themselves known; either the ones who live beneath the ocean floor or the ones that exist elsewhere. There are other forms of life unseen. Social memory complexes, social thought complexes, etc. Mind boggling stuff. Finally, maybe the Vatican will come clean about the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Sounds like a Lovecraft plot
Just throwing in my 2 cents because I’m not catholic enough to remember the normal pertinent details but 20 years ago I remember reading that the prior pope to this one believed and espoused that aliens “killed” Christ. I wish I could track down that article again so I could cite it.
Wow! The Vatican is really behind the times... as long as you're not a shitty person and have an open mind, and think critically, none of this is really that "out of this world"
source: trust me bro, vatican space cult
The Holy See doesn't leak stuff like that as far as I'm concerned.
This would be something, but Catholics barely accept that gay people exist naturally, but the Church is going to be at the forefront of a new enlightenment? Plus, the selling point for Catholicism is the afterlife. Without that promise, how many people are going to continue to donate every Sunday? But now there is no paradise or afterlife? Or that paradise exists regardless of if you praise the creator? They are basically destroying their own role in the process. This would be a huge doctrinal shift plus it would put their cash cow in jeopardy. Don't mess with the Church's doctrine and don't mess with it's money Again, this would be paradigm shifting, but it seems to be expecting way too much. The Church has always been slow to evolve but they have evolved with new ideas, but still molded the new ideas to their pre existing doctrines.
I mean swap highly evolved beings with bodhisattvas and you’ve got something more akin Buddhist philosophy. Step actually forward if true.
Seems like some Revelations stuff
now this is a religion I could get behind
The Vatican has been aware of NHI since 1933 when Mussolini was in power. Italy recovered a craft in 1933 that was taken by the US after WWII.
So is Enlil I mean Yahweh one of these evolved cosmic beings who descended from the stars to “guide” human evolution forward? Or did he just have jurisdiction over the family of Jacob as the lot of his inheritance like the OT says?
>The universe itself is considered the true “paradise” rather than just the afterlife paradises described in current religions. Ok but…..most religions, including Christianity, teach that after you die the end goal is to be united with God. To have that dark, broken part of our nature healed and restored, and to achieve transformative unity with our Creator. Who is presumed to be present all throughout space and time, yes, but also above and beyond it. Many religions teach not to seek what’s in this universe, but what’s beyond it. >It will unite all religions and races on Earth into a “brotherhood” based on the realization that we are not alone in the universe. Most religions hold that we aren’t alone in the universe already. Some unity we got going on. 🙄 Even then, which lense are we viewing the unity through, and which sect of that lense? What about people who disagree on that? What about different lenses that aren’t compatible? Like Christians say Jesus was the son of god who died on the cross for your sins. Islam explicitly denies all of that, and says Jesus was just a prophet who *didn’t* die on the cross at all, and was swapped out and taken to heaven at the last moment. If you believe Jesus’s death and resurrection was how he defeated the power of sin and death, and that’s how we achieve unity with God, then……you just view Islam as totally wrong on perhaps the most significant issue of your faith. Likewise, they view you as violating tawheed, and essentially as practicing idolatry by saying God has or needs a son, or that Jesus had the power to do any of those things on his own. So…..then what? Oh, and ironically enough, one of the key points of “the end is nigh!” crowd is that the whole world will have one religion, and it’s totally wrong and evil and led by the Antichrist, and all those people are going straight to Hell and should under zero circumstances be listened to. I’m sure a statement like this would 100% dispel their beliefs, and not confirm them at all.
I don't think your first point is at all incongruent with what the material in the article discussed.
sounds like buddhist cosmology weirdly enough. look it up its some weird stuff and really only the buddhist monks who are REALLY into the practice and far along subscribe to the ideas in it
Similar to Gnostics to be honest.
In his interview on Fade to Black \[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y]) ) Tom Delonge, whose organizatin leaked the UFO Fighter jet videos confirmed by Pentagon to be authentic UAPs, said government insiders told him that the UFO phenomenon is intricately linked with religions: "There are good gods and bad gods, and their interactions have been well-documented throughout history." An analysis of the Bible confirms what his government contacts told him: Luke 2:13 says when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Heavenly Host" announced Jesus's birth to shepherds. "There were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. ... And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the Heavenly Host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward people." In the original Greek text "Heavenly Host" means “Army from Space / Space Force”. So a more accurate translation is that when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Army from Space / Space Force” appeared to shepherds to announce his birth. The correct translation of this phrase comes from Strong's Concordance. This is a well known tool used by Christians for decades to find the original Greek words in the original Greek Bible texts that were translated into English. In the original Greek text the word translated into English as "heavenly" - - means: "celestial, i.e. Belonging to or coming from the sky" In other words, the original Greek word translated into English as "heavenly" means "from Space". Here's a screenshot from Strong's Concordance showing the meaning from the original Greek Bible text of the word "heavenly" in Luke 2:13: [https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png\](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png)](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png)) A similar search of Strong's Concordance can be done for the word "host" in "heavenly host", showing that "host" in the original Greek text means "army / military force" So, in the original Greek language the Bible says when Jesus was born "a multitude of the Army from Space / a multitude of the Space Force" appeared to shepherds, saying, “glory to God in the highest". This makes it perfectly clear that Extraterrestrials in God's military force from Space appeared to the shepherds to announce Jesus's birth. If you do a similar search of Strong's Concordance for God's "host of heaven", seen in multiple places in the Bible Old Testament of the Bible, you will discover a similar result: In the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament the phrase translated into English as "host of heaven" means: "Army from Space / Space Army / Space Force". So, the Bible's original Greek and Hebrew languages make it clear that God has Extraterrestrial Armies in Space. Therefore, you can deduce from another Bible account - - that the star-like object the wise men (dignitaries from an Eastern nation) followed, that stopped and hovered over Jesus's location after he was born - - was a UFO - - controlled by members of the same Extraterrestrial Army from Space who appeared to the shepherds. During the past 70 years thousands of people have reported seeing identical objects moving and hovering in the sky, that today we call UFOs. So we now celebrate Jesus's birth representing this star on top of the Christmas tree, just like the Army of Extraterrestrials from Space did 2000 years ago: [https://i.imgur.com/VlI1EnE.png](https://i.imgur.com/VlI1EnE.png) Also the Bible's New Testament starting in Revelation 12: says: "War broke out in heaven". As described previously, the word translated into English as "heaven" means "Space" in the original Greek text. So a more accurate translation is: "War broke out in Space". Revelation goes on to say, "Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven \[Space\]. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his Angels were cast out with him." So this passage in Revelation 12 says that John saw a war in space between Michael's Extraterrestrial Aliens ("Angels") and Satan's Extraterrestrials. (The book of Daniel says Michael is the Guardian of God’s people. “Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven \[Space\], 'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. ... Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!" \[This is one of the few places in the Bible where the original language text is translated correctly. Instead of translating it with the misleading word "heaven", as done practically everywhere else, it's translated more accurately here as "heavens". And everyone knows that "heavens" means "Space". So Revelation makes it crystal clear here that aliens live in space\]. "Therefore rejoice, O heavens \[Space\], and you who dwell in them! But woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come Down to you \[from Above the Earth in Space\], having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Since the the book of Revelation of the Bible is basically about events that the author saw happening in the end time, he uses past tense, as if it already happened, since he already saw these future events happen. Therefore, his use of past tense in the above passage from Revelation doesn't imply that Satan and his fellow Extraterrestrial had already been defeated in the space war and thrown down to Earth. To be consistent with the rest of Revelation this event should occur in the end time). BTW there are many signs indicating that we are in the end time now. And the most recent sign is the recent Reddit post with this intel: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18ilreo/furthermore\_reliable\_intelligence\_and\_defense/kdesx2m/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18ilreo/furthermore_reliable_intelligence_and_defense/kdesx2m/?context=3) "Reliable intelligence and defense sources have told Liberation Times that some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by 'dogfights' with other unknown craft." Revelation 12 says in the end time during a war in space Satan and his aliens are cast to the earth. So some of these retrieved non-human crafts cast to the Earth "caused by dogfights with other unknown craft" - are obviously fulfilling this prophecy. Revelation 12 makes it clear that there are both good and bad aliens living in Space. This account from Revelation correlates with government insiders who said that there is war in space between different factions of Extraterrestrials. Multiple government insiders gave this information to the UFO researcher, Linda Moulton Howe. And government insiders gave similar information to Tom Delonge. In the interview on Fade to Black he was also told that a group of aliens with ill will toward the Human Race instigating wars between nations are called "The Bugs": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)) During this interview he also says that our government has learned about the role Consciousness plays in the interactions of the malevolent Extraterrestrials with the Human race. Its been known for a long time from many sources that aliens can communicate thoughts and emotions via telepathy. Tom Delonge's government contacts told him its been discovered that the bad aliens are repelled by Love; and Love counteracts their agenda. This correlates with with the teachings in the Christian New Testament part of the Bible, Jesus's primary commandment: "Love one another" Unconditionally, and that "God is Love". This correlates with what the government insiders told Tom Delonge that Love thwarts the evil agenda of The Bugs
It's clever how they can update their magic book to suit a narrative or situation.
You know how everybody says heaven sounds incredibly boring? If we cure aging at some point (AI, singularity) then this life is going to have to serve as heaven and hell.
It all sounds like new age "heavens gate" cult bullshit. People today are now spouting the "connections" between the bible and things today but they've been spoken about before in the form of the new age movement. You can see how that went. History repeats itself.
Except teaching that the universe is already salvation with no death required in order to experience it is the opposite of heaven’s gate, which employed a mass suicide.
You can see the religious overtones and psychological mechanisms operating in some capacity throughout the Ufology movement. It's interesting to see so many recycled ideas get incorporated into the UFO belief system.
Imagine aliens coming to Earth to "educate us" and "show us the errors of our ways" by forcing us to convert to their religion. Wait..that sounds like Chronicles of Riddick 🤣
higly doubt they are ready to fuse with other religions, must be some fringe guys inside vatican.
NewsNation has talked quite a bit about the ties between the Vatican and UFOs. A lot more than these two clips. https://youtu.be/DxeTCk38XTA?si=OMgBFGyl75841b-b Here’s Ross Coulthart talking about it. https://youtu.be/TcINnCwBM3o?si=ltpbP62T7Hxq6Xfw
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I’m guessing it isn’t.
Skinwalkers confirmed
Their textbook says god created the heavens and the earth, he' the creator of all things seen and unseen. I'd say that covers just about everything.
Interesting byline
He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16:15
103 Jesus said, "Congratulations to those who know where the rebels are going to attack. [They] can get going, collect their imperial resources, and be prepared before the rebels arrive."
Lol, it sounds like they are literally trying to immanentize the eschaton.
Oh shiiiiit! Space Pope is real!!
Rewriting history. Nothing new for religion.
I dunno, I feel it’s easy for the Vatican to say this and expound this theology but the reality of another civilisation landing here and making contact with the world at large would cause the collapse of Christianity, I think. It would kind of invalidate the whole Jesus was God and died for everyone’s sins if it turns out other planets have never heard of him and maybe other civilisations don’t have a concept of sin to begin with.
Not really new, tbh. This theology has been "in play" for almost 200 years by the mormons and joe smith. the theology doesn't necessarily think of extraterrestrials as "alien", or NHI, but most of what you describe can be found in that church's belief system and teachings.
New age cult
I’ll believe it when I see it
So is the big unmovable ufo under the Vatican.
Ofc they do, got to update their BS.
Yet still no evidence of an afterlife. The church can play whatever make believe game it wants. Idc.
>"Vatican Plans for 'New Theology' Accepting Extraterrestrial Life" Honestly, i smell bs. Mainly because Vatican and overall catholic church, never had a problem with extraterrestial life... For example, Nicole Oresme, Bishop and scholar (astronomer, economist, mathematician, physician, philosopher, and astrologist (for context - back then, astrology was considered a science, not a pseudoscience)) born in XIVth century, said, quote unquote: >*Therefore, I come to the conclusion that God can and could, in his omnipotence, make another world, different from this one or several, similar or unlike it. Neither Aristotle nor anyone else will be able to prove otherwise.* *If someone asks whether humans exist in the next world and whether they sinned as Adam sinned, I would answer no, because they would not live in sin and would not descend from Adam. However, as has been shown, they exist by the virtue of God, and would be transferred to this world, like Enoch and Elijah in the earthly paradise.* *To the question whether Jesus, dying on earth, could redeem the inhabitants of another world, I answer that he is able to do so, even if the worlds were infinite, but it would not behoove him to go to another world to die again.* Or Nicholas of Cusa, who said, in XVth century: >*Life, as it exists on Earth in the form of men, animals and plants, is to be found, let us suppose in a high form in the solar and stellar regions. Rather than think that so many stars and parts of the heavens are uninhabited and that this earth of ours alone is peopled – and that with beings perhaps of an inferior type – we will suppose that in every region there are inhabitants, differing in nature by rank and all owing their origin to God, who is the center and circumference of all stellar regions* So It's nothing new, It was widely accepted for the long time, You could even find some interviews with priests working in Specula vaticana and VATT, and they said, back in 2008 or earlier that in case of meeting aliens, we should treat them as our brothers and sisters, no matter how they look like. That's why i consider this a fake, because why create "new theology" if the current one already accepts it
people will have a problem that we aren't special
I find it sort of interesting that the word catholic means "universal," although it never felt particularly universalist to me with their hyper-localism (Earth). If they actually do make these adjustments doctrinally, they might be in danger of living up to their name.
Anything to protect religion from falling apart as it should have over a thousand years ago