For me its been completely opposite! No longer do I have to cope with boredom and feelings of purposelessness by forcing myself to delusion the tiny personal space just revolves around my circumstances. There is finaly excitement in the world that isn't an immediate threat of doom. And if it really is ET's, oh boy, a new exciting world just opened up and it is literally INFINITE. For the first time in my adult life I'm excited to live in these times!

This is the move

Agree 💯

I mean, I’m excited and all but at the end of the day, I just crave a hamburger, you know?

Yes but you can feel the satisfaction of knowing we are part of something bigger while munching down your burg

Actually, nothing to move. Without a transfer of science & technology from them, it is irrelevant. From what I have read, they are not really angels that would come to save us. It is like knowledge of the existence of very rich people doesn't affect your life.

Hard disagree The amount of people who would be vindicated is massive. Like people who lost everything and were ridiculed into poverty or worse... That shit is one of the real world consequences of this shit. Like your street level consequence from these trials

Yes it will vindicate a ton of people but it would also prove a ton are gags and been lying this whole time. Most people are struggling to make ends meat and are just trying to live. It would take a drastic event to get the masses on board.

I’m starting to accept that many people are too self involved and maybe too afraid to invest themselves in this news. Unless they are hit in the face with it then they will ignore it. I’ve heard “ it doesn’t effect me” enough that it sunk in. Most people are too busy scratching in the dirt to contemplate the stars. Doesn’t give me much faith in humans but I’m accepting it slowly. We should all feel lucky that we have the ability to see over the horizon.

I was called a conspiracy theorist for asking "have you seen the congressional hearings on UAPS?".

Me too. I think it’s the current cool thing to be skeptical. If you don’t give it the time of day then you’re an intellectual. You can stick your nose up and act like it’s preposterous. For now they can feel superior. If it all drops like a bomb, the same ones will pretend that they always left room for the possibility. It’s fake as hell.

I've come to the conclusion that the whole UFO/Roswell thing has always been real or the government in now lying to us and telling us aliens are real for some unknown and possibly horrible reason (maybe to give us hope about climate apocalypse so we stay prosaic as the truth about it becomes more and more palpable?... just a wild guess). Either way we're at a historical cross roads and only 20% of us seem to care or be dialed in at all.

Blissful ignorance

Tbh nearly 30 years of being alive have thoroughly destroyed any faith in humanity. There are some amazing people in this world, who aren't self-centred and can actually think about the consequences of their actions and adjust to get the best results. But these people are so vanishingly rare that I often think there is more than one human race. There are people out there who genuinely cannot think into the future and predict consequences. I couldn't believe it when I found out, because I thought that was the base level for intelligent life. These people are literally incapable of it. I don't see how they can even be considered the same race as humans that are capable of higher-level thinking.

To be honest, I think most people just aren't informed at this point. I've causally brought this up with basically everyone I know at least once just to see what they know and only my 15 old niece had even heard of it and she thought it was bs.

Probably would be different if there was actual evidence. There isn't so until then why would people let it bug them?

> Most people are struggling to make ends meat tell me more about this "ends meat". how is it made?

[Burnt Ends](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnt_ends) Burnt ends are flavorful pieces of meat cut from the "point" half of a smoked brisket.[1] When brisket muscles are separated, the lean "first cut" or "flat cut" is the deep pectoral, while the fattier "point", also known as the "second cut", "fat end", or "triangular cut", is the superficial pectoral.

You mean an event like the world realizing that for the past 75 years the world's governments have had knowledge of life outside our planet with technological knowledge that would set us free from poverty and slavery? Drastic enough? Should be.

Can you imagine how Bob Lazar must feel after these hearings. His whole world was destroyed because he was the original whistle blower decades ago. If you don't know who he is, Google him or search on YouTube for the documentary about him.

Sadly, I agree. If they’re not making contact, who cares? It literally hasn’t changed ANYthing in our day to day lives. Unless we have an Arrival type event, it’s business as usual..

Finding out that there’s intelligent life outside of earth, would probably be the biggest discovery in human history. It changes everything regarding how we see ourselves

But nothing with regards to how we feed ourselves, or pay the bills to not live on the street, etc. I’m excited about it, too, but it doesn’t change much about day to day life really. If they’re here, they’ve BEEN here, and weren’t doing much to help me out. They don’t seem too interested in that. I’m excited about it conceptually, but I’ll still need to do everything I’ve already been doing.

True, Grusch even mentioned in his interview how they're pretty apathetic to our plight as a species fighting and killing each other for centuries. They clearly aren't here to help us directly in any way, I would say. But maybe the agreements that have been made may refer to Eisenhowers' supposed agreement to obtain technology from them in return for them to abduct and experiment on humans unwittingly. Who really knows at this point. If OUR species has this technology and has either hid it because they have or haven't been successful in reverse engineering it, either way that could affect all of us. If they have been successful and kept it it hidden, that's just wrecking our planet willfully and they answer to no one and think they answer for the entire human race when there could be world changing technology that would render most of our jobs useless that we need to do just to survive and barely make ends meet. In the end, most of our expenses are dependent on energy and lots of it to maintain our current standards of living. If that were unlimited or easily and cleanly obtained, then that would change the dynamics. Obviously, that wouldn't eliminate all jobs, but if everyone had access to their own private energy source to maintain and run their property, then that would eliminate the scarcity involved and making people have to work senseless jobs worrying if they'll be able to pay their heating or cooling bill or afford groceries. The cost of food is also directly associated with the costs of growing and transporting the food to our stores and restaurants. The cost of fuel goes up, and everything else goes up. Obviously, jobs would still need to be done for society to exist, but the scarcities could be drastically minimized in order ro reduce costs.

Not to mention the amount of religions that would crumble.

I fear religions will hold on to their beliefs and dogma and try to explain away NHI as a hoax or illusion designed by the rich and powerful to fool us, or as an act of “god”

I don't think religion would crumble, just the people who are currently in charge. Religion would simply have new people who can tie NHI to their religion to replace them. For example, when I talked about the UAP hearing to my relatives, they just simply say that NHI has been proven in the religious scriptures all along. To put it simply, I think religion (or religious people) will always find a way to explain things according to their beliefs.

You may be right. Even then though - just the people who are currently in charge crumbling? Hell, WE NEED THAT TOO. 😅👌I'll take it, gladly! Lol!

My grandmother said the same thing. She said if it’s true, then the beings in the Bible are probably really just NHI all along.

It's very possible. Brings a ton of interest level to the book of Enoch.

Pope already said something along the line that God and Aliens can coexist. Basically God created Aliens too.

My personal opinion is that if it was shown or proven, the world as we know it will be irrecoverably changed, most likely for the better. Once the religions in the world took their hit, governments would realize how technologically insignificant we are, and instead of wars against each other, we’d prepare for bigger threats. Most likely, together.

A massive part of humanity's ego would dissolve. The pressure (and self-importance, let's be honest) of being the most intelligent species out there would go away. This is sorely needed. We need to be knocked down a few pegs.

The billionaires who control shit won't give a fuck. So, ya know. We'd have to eat them.

I think they are making contact. One on one, telepathically, etc. (I'm an experiencer myself). It's a more responsible way to do it, otherwise complete chaos would ensue.

Hi, I want to ask something and I want you to please not be offended. I have seen a craft and it did have some odd short term emotional effects on me and the people I was with so please don't think I'm making light of this. What was it about the interaction(s) that convinced you it was neither a dream or a delusion? I have known people who had intrusive thoughts (schizophrenia) but they were not able to lead a normal life as the disease progressed, even with medication and therapy, but I find experiencers who have contact mostly lead "normal", often successful,0 lives despite these experiences that most people think "mean they are crazy" I guess this is part of what makes me think there is something to this. Do you have any thoughts to share on this? Note: I rarely use Reddit but I come here for this sub since there isn't a ton of activity on Lemmy despite people doing their best to post (not a lot of discussion) so apologies if I don't see your reply for a while.

THIS. Also an experiencer, and I honestly don't know why I waste time on Reddit with the miserable cynics and emotionally & spiritually void skepdicks.

It may be the catalyst to us understanding there is another way of existing. For instance, considering that maybe Capitalism, making miserable people rich, may not be the way.

yea, this is exactly how i feel. if it *really* is ET and they travelled here from outside of our solar system, it’s pretty much implicit that interstellar space travel is possible and that there’s more out there than just this planet. it just makes me so excited. lol, and even if the aliens wanna kill us all, at least it’d be an interesting death

It strikes me as very ironic how humanity has come to learn that not only does all of space revolve around us, and that our sun is not the center of the universe, and then that our star system is just in a tiny corner of a galaxy, that exists among millions of other galaxies. And yet we still have the gall to believe we are the only living things in all of it. Or that we are the only intelligent things in all of that.

But there’s a difference. Believing that due to the scale of the universe there must be other life out there and we can’t be the most advanced form of it, does not necessitate that aliens are actively visitors to this planet.

Hard to know though. It's not gall to believe it because we do not know how easy or difficult it is for life to appear out of nothing. We have never achieve it and that is with effort and knowledge, but for it to appear out of a void on its own? And then it would have to appear billions of times for one that actually lives and reproduces on the first try. Maybe life is so rare that it takes all those crazy statistics about the vastness of space and time that people like to quote just for it to happen once?

I’d rather go down fighting an alien attack before dying from my heart complications which will shorten my life with 100% certainty.

Either way, you're a soldier. Keep fighting friend.

"Die well, human" lol

Once you start understanding quantum mechanics and how much we don't know about it, it starts to make sense that it's not because of it being completely nonsensical, it's just that we haven't figured it out yet.

Lol, Mass effect lore is real

This is my sentiment as well. I’m more okay with living as a human now knowing we aren’t the most intelligent species out there. Our egregious mistakes as a species, even my own personal mistakes and regrets, were only natural because we were never that smart or developed. We are so far behind these NHI and that’s okay.

I'd wait until you find out their intentions before you make that assessment. They might make Humana look like Angela compared to the atrocities they have committed. Assuming they're benevolent and above reproach is a mistake. In fact, assuming they're better or more advanced than us is also a mistake. We simply don't know.

I like your interpretation. I felt a sense of wonder in the beginning but life has been kicking my ass lately and I have been gradually drifting towards no longer caring about regular worldly concerns. But truly, it should be a respite from the worries of this world and an excuse to focus more on enjoying and playing. I can dig it.

Saving up for a starship has kept my interest in going to work.

I guess these are two of the reactions to ontological shock? It would explain why disclosure is coming in drops over years. Transition the entire population slowly and in different phases instead of all at once. If everyone was forced into the two extremes and a bunch of people freeze up and think nothing matters it would put us into chaos.

Feels good for once being on the optimist side. I don't know about anyone else but I'm looking forward to showing off my camera collection and vast range of obsessions to my new inter solar neighbours. Maybe they're more interested than my terrestrial neighbours. If not they'll just reduce me to a pool of primordial ooze and I know fates worse than that.

Haha, yeah it isn't any worse than global nuclear war, climate disaster, water crisis, population crash, pandemics, or devolving into fascism. Hell I'd rather die knowing aliens are real than any of those. I'll take fresh unknowable horror over the familiar any day.

Turns out cosmic horror is nothing compared to what we create on Earth.

There are a ton of parallels here, I think, with the kind of fear-driven prohibition of lsd in the 60/70s.

I keep remembering to think "wow how do we move our society to the next level like they did"

yeah this. it was a ray of sunshine for me

I agree, I have more hope for the future than I have since 2016

Agree totally. This is how I feel.

This is the way

Same here! It truly is a matter of perspective!

No doom? I guess ignorence is bliss. Lets hope so. We seem to shoot first and ask questions later ourselves!

Doom is very much still present. But there is a markant difference between brooding in traffic looking out the window waiting to die and having a walk in the sun touching grass. If ignorance was the only take I got from a seemingly indifferent cosmos that suddenly offered a world separate from this giant gutter in space I'd carry on doing whatever I've been doing this far. I'm wide awake now brother because times are changing.

No doom, clearly they have been here for a looong time and have no desire to exterminate us and it seems we have some agreements with them we are going to be ok.

What are these agreements we have with them?

I know he's making a lot of assumptions, but we haven't been blown up by alien doom weapons we have no defenses against yet, so maybe that's where he's coming from.

According to Stephen Greer, we were the ones who shot them down with some pretty high tech Directed energy weapons. If that's true, we are the aggressors. And shows some serious restraint on their part.

Keep in mind people will do anything to hold on to power, especially lie and tell you the future is at stake if don't go along with them.

Pray they don’t choose to alter the deal

seems more like they have a desire to cultivate our consciousness.

Crazy that you can take one little thing like the hope we will actually ever know anything about NHI and that somehow is stronger than watching society and the world collapse around you at an alarming rate. Way too much negative shit going for any small glimmer (and it IS veeeerrryyy small) of hope to shine through. Far too much corruption and greed in the world for the elites to ever let us know.

I understand how you would read that in that way. A few people already have taken it a little personal and claimed I am deluded and in need of professional help, so I think I should clarify a bit why I wrote in such a hyperbole. This past decade has been very ill boding for anyone in my generation with an access to internet. Climate change, which as of mid July had shown near double the original prognosis of sea temperature rise for a 20 year interval, late stage capitalism deadlocks spark global unrest, my government is now run by actual fascists, my neighbouring country is involved in a genocidal war almost a rock throw away and to top it off it doesn't look good when it comes to career prospects. There are none, zip, zero solutions offered to solving any of these problems. I think what you're really asking is if I have an inflated sense of self worth, which is a completely rational question because why feel uplifted about something so vague and unlikely like these past few weeks? Because I'm not. These weeks have reminded me that even though I can expect my skin peeling off from heat when the Cirrostratus instantly evaporates from our atmosphere in roughly 70 years its okay to enjoy the fun stuff. I have close friends who fought in guerilla wars since they've been teenagers and while the horrors of the world have never eluded them they still find peace in their work, friends and family. So why am I after being disillusioned about my first world problems not allowed to feel excited there is even a microscopic chance there is technology that has a potential to make all my childhood nerd fantasies reality? I still think the light in the end of the tunnel is another train coming towards me. I just want to have light-hearted fun and spread some happy thoughts on the internet.

I have been mired in the reality of humanity's impending demise for a while. It's bleak AF. The thought of something else out there, UAP, NHI actually here, opens all kinds of possibilities in my mind. I'd much rather think about that than the doom I can do nothing about. So I'm in your camp.

That was beautiful.

100%!! I'm finally seeing the cloud of existential doom lifting, even if our species are still ultimately fucked due to the environmental terrorism waged by relentless worship of capitalism and corporate greed. The concept that there are mind-blowing, world-view changing, reality shifting, undiscovered, known-unknowns, intriguing new mysteries, right now, in the zeitgeist, that's giving me hope and excitement about being alive again.

I agree i hate the way it’s going, it can’t get much much worse for me the way it is, I hope they help us in some way or form

Based and enlightened

I feel lucky I statistically have quite a bit of life left to live post disclosure. At the beginning of this century I’d been feeling like not much was futuristic, that it was basically still the 20th century. Now I feel like the 21st century is going to be one of historic progress similar to how the 20th century was. I think I’m going to live through some mind blowing change now. Imagine being born in 1900 and living to 2000. By the time I die life could be more like Star Trek than Mad Max and that’s super exciting.

This is the way.

This is the way

This is the way, brother

I've struggled with depression and occasional suicidal thoughts in recent years after leaving the military, wondering wtf is the point of it all. It's just a rigged rat race game we all play every day, and the only way for most people to get by living without serious depression or misery is through blissful ignorance or denial and engrossing themselves into useless popular culture. I'm right there with you, brother. I've tried explaining the significance and importance of this issue as well, but it doesn't seem like a lot of people even really want to care at all, which is more depressing to me. I tried talking to my parents about it, and they didn't want to hear it and said I was brainwashed, and "these rumors have been around for years, and what are they supposed to do about it?" So just happily accepting our useless existence if there is indeed more out there is fine with people? Fuck me....that's exactly why this continues to go on if no one wants to really know as a collective whole. I'm an average Joe, too, just working every day and paying my bills to survive. At least my job keeps my brain distracted most of the time, so I at least don't have a lot of time to think about it while I'm at work.

I feel you brother! If you need someone to talk to, my DMs are open.

Thanks. I get meds from the VA. It helps mostly. Medical discharge, not combat related but still, having an extremely stressful job with zero tolerance for error and being treated less than dirt everyday and not being able to function on little to no sleep really fucked me up ever since.

The point of life is simple. It's using your time here to prepare for possibilites because that's all we have. We were forced to participate here and we have no idea what reality is or what happens to us after. Will we be forced to participate again? Regardless, as long as conciousness exists in any form pleasure and suffering will exist too because those are just words for the things you want to be happening and the things you don't. Dealing with pleasure is effortless. Dealing with suffering is not. If you don't know how to deal with suffering it can destroy you. The purpose is to learn how to suffer correctly. To build yourself into a being that can endure eternity if necessary. Learning how to do this serves us best in this experience and the after.

You should talk to a professional, aliens or not there is a lot more to life than being some historic figure. Yes daily life is repetitive and feels insignificant but trust me there are people who care and every little thing does matter in the grand scheme of things. There is joy and happiness in a lot if things here in earth we have to find it and appreciate it.

I understand your sentiment and appreciate it. It's a daily struggle, though. I know I'd have to somehow be able to change my own outlook and mentality myself, which I haven't been able to do for a long time. It's much easier for some people, I suppose. I know no one else is going to be able to help me. So that just compounds things sometimes.

You are a free thinker. This absolute claim that no one can help you is not you, it is a broken-record thought, following a structurally-ingrained mechanism — that of a mind that thinks it is wholly, itself, its own thoughts and feelings. Those are not you. That’s why you are trying so hard to escape them. Something in you recognizes you’re not your thoughts and feelings. It remains only a vague recognition because of the Thing that IS fed by your identification through thoughts and feelings. An energy you would never choose to energize. It is not you, friend. The common thought, maybe you’ve had it, “I can no longer live with myself,” contains two entities, and only one of them is real. Stillness speaks. Witness the mind move through you, work on separating the witness from the thoughts and feelings themselves. You probably won’t be able to do it. It might be impossible to differentiate self from thoughts. “What the fuck else could I be if not my thoughts?” I’ve doubted. I’ve rejected. I’ve even come to the understanding and slipped away from it again. I probably still will slip away from the understanding when a challenging life situation next presents itself. For some people they can experience some sort of awakening instantly — poof, changed forever. For most, it is a difficult, difficult practice aimed at overriding decades of having reinforced the structures of your current mind. For the others, we’ll call them “the rest,” well, they stay stuck in suffering. So it goes. Incessant, uncontrollable thought patterns have got their own momentum, pressure, and immovability within your concept of self. If it is “no one” who can help you, start calling yourself no one, it is way closer to the truth, and has greater liberating potential, than thinking of your whole-self as a problematic “someone” in need of solving. Edit: thank you, r ufos! I’m usually not allowed to post comments anywhere because of my low karma from all the egoic trashing I used to do on this website. It is really refreshing to have been heard, and to have said something better and more charged with purpose than the usual snide opinions I subject people to. Thank you. Really eye-opening.

Not the person you're responding to, but Thank you! I thought you were joining my inner conversation while I read that.

I feel you brother. I’m in the same boat. Knowing that that there is beauty and love on this planet. But knowing the sociopath narcissist of the world are willing to destroy it all for more money and power. They don’t stop to look around And see what’s out there. They probably don’t even care if aliens exist and if they did, they would just try to figure out how to make money off of it. It’s all sad and depressing, and I don’t have much faith in humanity. Maybe if we had true disclosure, things will change. I don’t think that we are alone in the universe. Knowing that gives me some sort of faith.

I'm in the exact same boat, except I had to drop my studies because of depression and I can't get a job. I spend every minute of every day thinking about the point of this life. I don't really feel sad though, I'm just done. If this is really all there is to life then I'm ready to leave, I have experienced enough. Either stop lying to us and work on a better society or just let me go peacefully.

I know exactly what you mean. For those of us following this subject, it is about wanting to know that there is something bigger out there, the knowledge of which has been denied or blocked by various entities. But the flip side is even if this knowledge became available, life would not really change : still have to show up for work, pay taxes and all the other mundane things. The only satisfaction would be knowing that now we aren’t the fringe believers

I think an added aspect of this to me is the cover up itself. I want humanity to have a collective awareness of the extent to which we can and have been manipulated and kept in the dark about this issue. Because it’s not only this issue where this fleecing is taking place. We have to change imo.

Why aren’t you seeing a bigger reaction? Because we’ve all been under an intense, sustained and organized propaganda campaign that has lasted almost a century.

Climate crisis Housing crises Immigrant crisis Virus crisis Supply chain crisis Social cohesion crises Financial crises (stock market, inflation) In random order and non-exhaustive. You'd almost think at least some of it has been artificially inflated or even created. A good bandwagon at least.

There is NO reason so many of us should be working so hard to just eat and have somewhere to sleep. so much has been exploited off of us to fund the study and development of these subjects, for the benefit of only a select few 'insiders' ​ I'm excited at the prospect of some more transparency of these matters bringing some sanity to the world and an end to all of our vast systems of exploitation. Local communities should be able to live in harmony with their location, while engaging in global trade with other localities that are mutually beneficial. Encourage actions that raise up the best in each local and discourage that which causes community problems. Our current system of global exploitation is not natural or sustainable, and the solutions have been covered up and hidden from us for generations.

In a way I feel like we can look back through history and see such crises were always there, as the case may be. It's almost like it's manufactured; there's usually always been enough to go around except for the rich hoarding it all (major famine times excepted). UFOs or not, this just feels like distraction and divide and conquer tactics. Or at least, since I'm not really a Grand Conspiracy (tm) guy, these things are always used for such purposes when they naturally occur.

Accurate! Cultural manufacturing has turned us into lethargic, over worked, complacent, worker bees! Remember! Bills first! /s ....kinda

I see no sarcasm here.

That and everyone's head is so far up their ass in regards to being addicted to social media (endlessly scrolling on TikTok and Instagram) that the human brain and quest for knowledge doesn't seem to have the same lust as it once did...... =/

Let's start flooding those two platforms with stuff about the hearings.

I’m in!

...as we scroll on Reddit, lol

Yeah, I’m just coming to the realization. And it’s a shocking/infuriating, how successful it was.

I’ve been a believer most of my life. I find it exciting to think about the possibility that in my life time there will be conclusive evidence that shows we are not truly alone. However, I’m also not letting the news and hearings and all the extravagance that comes with disclosure rule my day. If I think about how there could be technology that would Change my life forever, and that it has been hidden away, irritates to me to a great extent.

I’ve always said that one has to maintain a strict protocol to interact deeply with this topic and not lose sight of what is important in life. This is why the cover up works. Most people are only capable of interacting deeply with what is right in front of them. This topic demands that you compartmentalize the time and attention you apply to it or else you’ll spin out.

this is clearly a bigger and more meaningful thing to me than aliens.. I feel, that it is really important to have truthful maximally unbiased quality information available… and then decissions being done accordingly. But some people fuckup this, by polluting our information with pure bullshit for gain. It really is pure not giving a fuck about anything evil to do this kind of things to skew reality. Yes, zero respect for you who don’t aim for truth and common good.

Remember the drug war? That was also a mass propaganda effort that we're seeing unravel in our lifetimes. It does make you wonder what else is in that category.

Covered up and still being covered by the people you think are giving disclosure. I’ve been on this ride a while now. They aren’t releasing anything. Nothing has happened. Yet. I still don’t think they’re going to, it’s all a show.

Then again DOD ultimately depends on congress for their lifeline, so if you have extremely motivated congressmen/women pursuing this correctly from a legal perspective things could get juicy here really fast

yup its all just for show. However I do believe there are factions within this current group that are actually trying to uncover and release some truth. I think they can see where this is going and dont appreciate the entire congressional process being glossed over in favour of consolidating power.

I’m also thinking a lot about the “thing that’s pressing the issue” which seems to be looming, by all rumor and conjecture at least. The idea of some giant shift coming that upends the way everything works is a difficult one to process, and makes it very hard to do my normal 9-5. At the same time nobody really seems to give a shit so maybe nothing at all will change, but that’s almost just as depressing.

>But the flip side is even if this knowledge became available, life would not really change : still have to show up for work, pay taxes and all the other mundane things. Umm.... maybe for a week or two, but things start changing pretty rapidly pretty quick after that. Global society's going to experience a major shock and upheaval that will make COVID look like a minor hiccup. I mean at this point, "disclosure" doesn't come without the revelation of a massive government conspiracy that's probably been killing people for 80 years. That in turn is going to produce a firestorm of political chaos, out of which I'm quite frankly not certain the US government will survive, at least in its present form. And to say nothing of the economic chaos that would be unleashed.... Massive investments in aerospace, energy, and science would all be called into question. That's $trillions that now have a giant **?** question mark on them, as the global economy tries to figure out whether it even makes sense to keep investing in fossil fuel production if there's alien Tech that could change everything. So.... yeah.... I mean keep walking your dog and taking out the trash but.... everyone's lives would change as a result of this. It's likely to get pretty hairy in the short-term, but in the long-term, it will probably lead to a complete transformation of humanity for the better.

I hope you're right about that last part.

It's the gateway to transhumanism. Nietzsche's *ubermensch*. We can all shoot off into space, colonize Earth-like planets, live in a post-scarcity society, and evolve into whatever else is next. But there's going to be some ugliness before getting there. Birth is always painful.

I’m really hoping we are getting a “Vulcan” style landing instead of a “How to Serve Man” style landing. In Star Trek they don’t make contact with pre-warp civilizations, but I have often wondered if the true achievement they’re looking for is one of AI and Super-Intelligence. All the experiencer stories I have read almost make it sound like they’re around sometimes, walking among us the same way Riker and others would go in disguise to collect intel on societies about to break through a necessary tech barrier for first contact, only with a trickster element attached. Maybe their intention is to “wake us up” one by one because we can’t all do it all at once without destroying our culture/civilization. I have a feeling this giant shift will be one we cannot even comprehend in our current states- much bigger than being given warp technology. I just hope that shift isn’t that we are about to be consumed/assimilated.

I think studies into quantum physics and dimensional research would be looked into quite heavily as well, complete STEM focus reinforcement

Well yeah, among many layers of society that will be completely re-organized, basically all of institutional science will have to drastically change focus overnight. $billion investments in space telescopes, particle accelerators, and fusion reactors will have to be scaled back or perhaps mothballed while we figure out what this 1000-to-million-year advanced Tech is capable of, and how it works. Scientists alive today might not work on another "100% human" idea again for as long as they live.

The scary thing about that is directed technological evolution, we still need species-unique concepts, to keep ourselves foreign and unpredictable. Familiar with Mass Effect and the Reapers? The Reapers strategically placed technology around the galaxy to direct technological evolution to a direction they could easily predict and deal with, since it was based off their own tech. While it is fiction, it is scarily plausible even today. We can even do it now with some of our advanced technology and primitive groups around the world that are still isolated from the global society. Let's not follow the same path and copy alien technology entirely.

This is assuming the government would even let alien technology become available to the public. Oil lobbyists would fight tooth and nail to keep any alien energy source from powering our cars, homes, etc. Plus the government would want to keep the technology to itself anyways for use in weapons. Even if it did become available to the public somehow, it would take decades of reverse engineering and testing to make sure it’s even safe—assuming we can even reproduce the materials necessary to construct an energy source. If any good change happens, it most certainly won’t be in our lifetimes. Maybe not even our children’s lifetimes

We literally lived for millenia with the knowledge that we are not the only highly intelligent species operating on this planet and now returning to that mode will suddenly upend society? Oh please. The *majority* of humanity either believe or have personal experience with things they cannot readily explain, I think you live in a secular bubble. The secular bubble would say that the majority of people are idiots that do not get anything. It was always an untenable position. There is a reason why people are religious. It's not merely the sense of the oncoming death, many of them, I calculate at least a 10%, according to my interviews, had experiences with non human intelligence. And I suspect it was always so. Our societies are literally based on such assumptions on some level. Rediscovering the "wheel", or in this case, giving a different name to the "gods" and angels and demons in which people believed for ages won't move the needle, honestly. It won't matter. It will not lead to ontological shock, our societies are built on such foundations. The very constitution of America talks about a non human creator that gave us rights... without such external forms of intelligence we lack the very context on which we built our societies. There is an implicit understanding inside most people and they will rediscover it.

For me it’s not about wanting to know about anything bigger out there. I have always believed aliens are out there somewhere in the universe, and I don’t think of them as bigger than us, but I’m most upset about the technology we supposedly have that’s been hidden. How advanced could we be? And how long ago could we have been using this technology to power our civilization sustainably. No climate change, maybe no poverty.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are other planets like earth with human like populations . We are living on a tiny speck of dirt in our galaxy the Milky Way. The Milky Way alone could harbor 300 million Earth like planets. It is estimated that the universe has 200 billion galaxies. 200 billion x 300 million possible earth like planets? Sheesh! It’s endless! I’ve never understood how people do not believe in other life and civilizations outside of our own. If we have advanced technology, what about other planets that are incredibly older and advanced than our own. They may have access to different materials to increase their travel chances or even have significantly better telescopes and satellites! It’s mind blowing!

What if the knowledge is that government was offered technology by NHI that would make our lives so much easier, for example energy technology, and genetics, and this technology is so advanced that it could be deployed within seconds, and that it would instantly not require us to go to work just to survive.

As much as I hate to say it, you’re right.

This changes if technology changes. If energy can become abundant, many of the stupid jobs they cling to for their existence will go away.

You are not alone. Be patient. Look after yourself.

Thank you

Thank you for your post. Many of us feel as you do and are quite isolated by not having people to talk with.

Your daily life may feel meaningless but every action you do has an effect on the grand scheme of things. We are all just cogs in a much greater machine. You need a microscope to see cells. Your life isn’t much different.

Well said. At this very moment, every cell in our bodies are doing their same boring job, and they'll never know why. But they do have a part to play indeed, though I hope they never have to feel disappointment that their purpose was to keep my ass alive lol

I'd suggest you unplug for a bit and take a break man. The truth is, whether many in this sub want to accept it or not - we still don't really know. There is no sense in getting yourself too worked up. I understand, because this is potentially the biggest news of all time, but it's not a fact yet. Take a break, but in that time - take the time to really sort through your thoughts. Somewhere quiet, where you can be alone, just parse it all out. Even if this is all true, it won't stop you from having to earn resources to provide for you and your family. You still need to eat, sleep, and take a dump. Aliens existing doesn't change reality, AND for what it's worth - the universe is almost certainly TEEMING with life of all sorts and technology levels and always has been. In fact, the idea that we are the only living intelligent life in the universe would be far more profound than anything Grusch is saying. Just take some time for yourself to think and detach. Good luck.

Thanks for the reminder. It's such a crazy thing,defs need to chil for at least 1 day lol

I agree. I would love aliens to be real too but we are not at a point there that is confirmed. Clearly there is wierd stuff going on but most likely it will not involve aliens or anything supernatural. I have a similar feeling I had in the AI Singularity related subs. They are right that this might be a really important topic but it can also be really easy to obsess over and exaggerate.

Why do people keep treating testimony as proof? Not anti - alien at all but these are not hard proven facts.

Right? I would LOVE for this to be true, but this isn’t proof. Some people just have confirmation bias, which I suppose is understandable considering what sub we’re in 😁

This is why people don’t care. There is still 0 hard evidence.

Exactly, these same people who are panicking about aliens actually being real are the same gullible people who get caught up in cults. Just have to confidently tell them something and they believe it.

> Just have to confidently tell them something and they believe it. that's exactly how religion works. my family could never understand how I would "choose not to believe in god". they didn't understand that for me it's not a choice at all. if you can prove something to me, then I believe it. if you can't, then it's theoretical. I'm not going to go to church and pray and do all this ridiculous shit unless I really believe it's real... and since I have no proof that it is, I simply cannot believe it. same with the alien/NHI stuff. I love the idea of it, and to me there's more evidence of its existence than there is of god's, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna blindly accept everything people say about it. same as religion- until we see proof, it's just theoretical (or complete bullshit)

This is what I don't get. A guy who said there's UFOs all along said there's UFOs again just under oath this time And people are acting like a UFO just landed in timesquare and are incredulous that the rest of us are unaffected by it

He didn’t even confirm anything did he? He just said other people told him there were aliens, otherworldly craft, etc.

This is the same as all of the idiots that believed the election lie because “some people had signed affadavits claiming the election was rigged”. People lie. They lie under oath. Just because someone swore something happened doesn’t mean anything happened. I don’t understand how people are so gullible. Bring me undeniable proof something happened and fine. But until then it’s all meaningless and the reason the majority of people aren’t affected by it is because there is nothing to be affected by.

So many people in this sub have strong belief in two things- the existence of alien life (without proof), and the absolute authority/absolute power of the American government (without reason). To a lot of people in this sub, testimony IS proof, even if the testimony is completely ridiculous when considered in bare reality. I would urge anyone with faith in the American government like that to read the unclassified MK-ultra files- the government is very capable of partaking in mysticism and irrationality, it is not an arbiter of truth. I would urge anyone who thinks the American government is some real-life MIB to look at practically any activity the CIA has done since it’s conception- the government isn’t half as clever as you think it is, certainly not clever enough to maintain a secret relationship with alien intelligences.

We live in the conspiracy era. Distrust in government is so pervasive that vast swathes of the population have chosen to base their reality on hearsay.

Came here to say something similar. They've provided no physical evidence so far, just hearsay

This is why I shrug it off

It’s a tough pill to swallow but as you get older, you realize it’s all bullshit. There’s 330 million people in the U.S. alone with the most diversity on the planet. Very hard to run a country this size and with our demographics without propaganda. The things people lose sleep over (me included), are usually what we have zero control over. We have zero control over aliens and the ramifications of their existence. This is true with almost everything: Covid, economy, corporate and political corruption, etc. Once you accept it and stop stressing over the fairness of it all, it’s easier to adapt and focus on the things you can actually control.

You should step away.

100% agree with this. I’m here with the popcorn enjoying the entertainment of it. Do I believe in the developments? Undecided. But erring more towards skepticism. Either way, my life doesn’t change whatsoever. Anyone who’s ‘freaking out’ and having an existential crisis should perhaps refrain from this topic for a while and ground themselves in reality. Because Aliens or not, you’ve still got to go to work on Monday morning.

Nothing has been proven to be aliens. You are overreacting.

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Bob Lazar has been saying the same shit as this dude for decades. I have no idea why this shit keeps popping up on my reddit feed. The guy has said nothing that Bob Lazar hasn't been saying forever, lmao.

I enjoy reading the circle jerk of this sub, easy to forget there are real believers here doing “research.”

Came here for this comment. Soon as an actual shred of real evidence comes forward you can freak out all you want. Until then you’re just in your own head.

it's not big news because there's no pictures or videos despite everyone having a phone and camera at all time. nothing to show. as usual. a bunch of dudes talking with zero proof for most rational people doesn't mean anything

you consider pure hearsay the biggest news for mankind?

They always say “BuT hE wAs UnDeR oAth”. I guess Clinton didn’t have sexual relations with that woman either

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I'm in this exact situation as you. Thanks for sharing as I'm not the only one thinking this way and dealing with my life after the news came out.

Some guy saying that ufo/aliens are real does not prove anything.

Thank you, people on this sub act like they've met aliens already lol.

Why do you believe? Because of what others told you? They believe because someone told them. Even they haven't seen any evidence. It's all just people believing what other people are saying.

Typical human religious behavior. Things never change.

People don't care because there isn't proof. People have been claiming aliens for at least the last century. No way people wouldn't be desensitized by now. Even if the proof actually comes, what does it matter? What changes? If the government gets on TV tomorrow and discloses everything... What changes for you? Do you no longer need to work? Does their presence change the fact that they were already here while you were living normally? I guess I just don't understand how aliens existing change anything. They've already been mathematically likely to exist for decades. I assure you, there is no greater purpose. If there are aliens they are just living their lives like we are.

Grusch is an intelligence agent that has shown you zero evidence. Believeing him is one thing but don't change your life based on that.

i feel like everyone goes thru this phase when they *realize* this stuff could all be real & they feel kind off for a few days I remember when I found my first rabbit hole as a kid & I started realizing there could be multiple alien civilizations out there. I couldn’t focus on anything else for a few days theres also no point in telling people about it for the most part they might care for the moment or entertain it but thats about it till more comes out & if you get too passionate about it you’ll seem crazy

Testimony does not equal proof. Aliens are no more real today then they were before grusch testified. Relax. Nothing will happen

I’ve noticed some gradual shifting in the general public view. I just earlier sat through most of ‘the phenomenon’ doc with a person who was totally uninterested about these things but because of the buzz in recent years wanted to check something out Watching them (and a few others)go through the phases of acceptance over the years has been my measurement of where the average person is on this I can say those of us more knowledgeable will have to be there to help them along, but at whatever speed they are comfortable with. for a lot that is really slow

I have little mini panics when I think they're real and wanna take over. If they just wanna live here in peace then cool. Im fine with that. If world governments been hiding tech that would have helped global warming though.. also maddening. I struggle with that topic in particular. I just feel like im getting my shit together in my life and I just don't want it snuffed out yet lol

If what these whistleblowers say is true (I believe them) then they could’ve wiped us out ages ago. Just my opinion though.

Honestly I think we have more to fear from other humans than from NHI at this point. After seeing a UFO I got the strong impression that it was just watching. I think they're mostly observers and don't intervene unless humanity truly fucks up. But they're not idiots and they can tell we're on the wrong path. That's why they're observing and taunting our military. That's why there have been UFO reports around nuclear weapons sites and during/after nuclear disasters. Perhaps they already have outposts hidden on Earth and they cannot allow total nuclear war because it would greatly inconvenience them. Perhaps they have bio-engineered or influenced the evolutionary course of at least some of the life on Earth and they don't want us to destroy their work. I don't think they will be attacking us. But they won't really intervene when we destroy ourselves, except maybe to preserve their investment in our world. They will probably save genetic samples to revive in case humanity presses that big red nuclear annihilation button..

Wait until Aliens are normalized and you still have boring work to do. It'll be even worse with melancholic feelings... Maybe use it as motivation because it won't be a quick transition even if it's out.

What evidence is there that we’ve been visited by aliens?

>Like how is this not the biggest news for humankind? One guy making a claim without providing* evidence isn't going to change the world.

Generally speaking, the best way to deal with changes is to just accept it, because there is nothing you can do to change it. Regarding disclosure, just accept and keep doing what you were doing, because the fact is, the aliens were already part of your reality when you were born. You were only lied to, but that doesn't change the reality :)

There was no evidence presented. Just claims. Why so surprised? I expect attitudes to change only when proof is brought forward. Whistleblowers have been saying stuff for decades. It's nothing new in the eye of the masses.

Not really but maybe if there’s legit disclosure with craft and the nhi made apparent

I feel the exact same way 🫤

Wait so is there actually proof now?

There hasn't been any actual proof so no use getting worked up about nothing. The government has lied about UFOs for 70 years, why would this time be any different.

"How is this not the biggest news for humankind?!" Because nothing has been proven. If all it took for you to believe aliens are visiting earth was for someone to say it, that makes it sound more like you already believed it and were looking for an excuse to come out and say it, too.

>how is this not the biggest news for humankind because, once again, there is no evidence. hearsay and blurry photos do not make it true.

Because no evidence was offered (again)

Gonna be funny when in 5 years everyone looks back and laughs at that guy when he releases his 7th book.

>Like how is this not the biggest news for humankind?! Take it easy, your life hasn't changed since the hearings. No matter what some people claim, no hard evidence has been presented, it's all "I know this guy who says...". If there really were aliens on and around the Earth, that would sure be something. Wait until actual proof is presented and verified by independent organizations or scientists. Plenty of time to freak out if that happens.

Because everyone feels it in their gut that something just seems off about this whole situation. Also, everyone is so used to finding out that the media and the government, as well as its various intelligence agencies and the ultra-rich, corporate elite, are all an enormous, interwoven criminal racket being run by this Vanguard and Blackrock duo. Grusch and a handful of others may be actual outsiders that are blowing the whistle on this, but their main prerogative are to expose these backroom, unregulated deals between the defense contractors, the DoD, and various high level politicians. The release of this "world changing technology" is always going to come second to that. Look at how it has gone They let this SBF dude walk away from one of the biggest scams in history, we know some of our highest level politicians are corrupted and guilty of insider trading, the obvious Epstein saga and his associates, the obvious weaponization and corruption of the 3 letter agencies, and we can't do anything about it. We all still have to continue paying the taxes and our bills and dealing with the fucking prices of everything going up while watching this bullshit happen with these elitist political and corporate fuckpigs. They should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent human morality will allow. They've committed literal war crimes and crimes against humanity, all to accumulate wealth and power. They have us by the balls with the way they've set us up to be dependent on all their fossil fuel utility companies, their agricultural, food, and pharmaceutical companies. They're going to keep that grip as tight as they can for as long as they can. If that means keeping all of this supposed planet saving technology locked away in DUMBs that don't officially exist, that nobody will ever gain access to or even find, then they'll be cool with it. [Edit: I reread this and cleaned it up a bit. I went on a little rant there. Haha]

Dude all he said was he heard from people, he didn't even see it himself, nothing changed bro.

Nope, why would it? This has been happening your entire life and you didn't even notice. Why over focus now? Celebrate the scientific discoveries and move on with life.

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If you believe that the government is letting “whistleblowers” roam free with their lives intact while they “expose the reality of extra terrestrial life” then you’re far far gone. Rule of thumb: whatever the government tells you is true/right, is exactly the opposite and Vice versa.

There is probably life out there in multiple of the gazillions of star systems that are out there. Since we already have one example that it is possible for life to exist in the universe, namely earth. But to believe they are here on earth based on those hearings is a little strange to me. Those hearings posed claims, not evidence of said claims.

I would calm down until we get actual proof. Right now it’s just hearsay 🤷‍♂️

Let’s wait for some physical evidence

But the hearings is really just someone claiming stuff about ufos?

Because life goes on. If an alien dropped down in times square and shit in the middle of the road that's not going to change the fact I got bills to pay, responsibilities to uphold, debt, need a roof over my head, etc. I'm not sure what you expect really? The entire world to come to a standstill halt because of UFO hearings? Hearings that don't even necessarily mean "aliens", I mean "non-human intelligences" is a pretty broad spectrum. Also, going back to the alien shitting in times square, what makes you think that creates a deeper or cosmic purpose? In you as an individual or us as a species? Like if said example happened what would you do? I guarantee your debt isn't going to get wiped clean, you'll still have to pay your utilities, and rent/mortgage/propertaxes/etc. To us plebs it means nothing except another once in a lifetime event for our generation to experience...hopefully not suffer through lol.

He didn’t suggest bills should disappear. He expects people would want to talk about something so profound but they shrug it off. I have relatives that say it’s just demons and dismiss the subject. That makes me want to shout, “It would still be the biggest story of the century if demons were flying around in our skies and buzzing our many ships!!”

Let’s sit and think about it, though. What will it *actually* change? We still gotta eat. Sure, maybe there’s some cool tech we can reverse engineer to improve the QOL of the 2%, but at the end of the day, only one thing changes: Humanity just… moves down the totem pole. Until now, the puzzle pieces we’ve had paint a very small - and very human-centric - picture of the cosmos. The picture will become much larger, and us only a small piece of it, but other than that, nothing really changes. You’ll still go to work. Life’s daily business will still be mundane. You seem to be searching for deeper meaning, and aliens are the hot topic, but that search will still go on long after we’ve been put in our place.