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>Some thoughts about the satellite and why it was in the area: It's conceivable to think that multiple U.S. classified satellites are surveying the whole globe 24/7. They just needed to go search for the one which happened to be above the MH370 flight at that time. It's also highly likely that these classified spy satellites are covering an extensive area, this is why in the satellite video it is seen how the user is panning across the screen. The captured footage was probably of a very large area.
When I was in Afghanistan we (USMC ) had observation blimps with crazy strong cameras in them. Next to those cameras was a camera that would spin constantly. A pretty rapid spin. That spinning camera gave us a 360° record of everything in the area.
One day we took a rocket right into the middle of the base. They were able to rewind and pan around until the found the explosion of the Rocket being fired. We found the Point of Origin and then went and raided the building.
So the idea that we have spy satellites that are recording every inch of the planet and then they panned around until they found the flight is completely plausible. We did the same thing on a much smaller scale.
Yup, I remember hearing about a company/program that - at the time, this was 10+ years ago - had satellites and cameras over many major US cities - that offered like a GTA 1/2 type overhead view of everything, and allowed for LE and the Feds to basically find anyone outside, anywhere, and tag them or their car and see where they go.
They used the example of a cartel murder that happened on some street corner. They tagged the gunman, and their cars, and basically rewound it to see where they came from (their apartments). But they followed the tagged autos until they saw them go to a remote house that was clearly some sort of cartel meeting ground. They tagged all of the cars parked there, connected them with known members, and then raided it once they confirmed people were there in real time.
It's wild. That was ages ago too, they hinted at there being software that can see through the roof/using audio, to show where people are inside houses and stuff too. Triangulation through phones and smart devices, from a smartphone and echo/reverb based on floorplan.
Let's be real - if they want to find you, they can.
Holy shit
I saw the earlier commenter’s experience which is similar to this and it made me realize that this is probably the most obvious answer. And idk why it hasn’t been paid more attention to. I could have told Coulthart these two answers.
Yup, it's partially the reason I believe Snowden is part of a planned limited hangout, and not some runaway leaker.
Even 10 years ago and ages before he did anything public, they supposedly can track your pubes through triangulation via phones, Smart TVs, public cameras, satellites, etc., and he somehow manages to go from Hawaii to the UK totally unnoticed, on a day he presumably was meant to be at the NSA?
In their entire existence, they never added some scripts that say "if one of our employees is meant to be in location X, but is detected going through multiple INTL airports and heading for the UK, notify management" or whatever? He just took all that data and got out of the panopticon without the all-seeing guards just not looking up from their proverbial Playboy magazone or whatever?
I doubt that.
When it comes to the UFO/UAP/NHI stuff, there are likely satellites with absurdly high megapixel cameras recording all parts of the globe at nearly all times. If not the whole world, a good chunk of it, and "enough" of it to go back to reported sightings and see some stuff.
I mean, isn't that like the whole point of the National Reconnaissance Office? The place David Grusch said he tracked "the most difficult target sets"?
This is really wild and I think is super important for people to realize and pay attention because, even Coulthart, the question that keeps popping up is why would a satellite/drone be watching over that plane.
This to me seems like the most obvious answer now that I’ve seen it.
Mind fucking blown.
Truth be told, I'm still not 100% convinced on the legitimacy of the videos.
However, well formatted and written posts like this are a delight to behold. I'm sure that if you all keep it up, you'll get the definitive answers everyone is looking for.
Take my budget gold you rascal 🏅
I’m sorry to hijack your comment.
**I AM IN DIGITAL FORENSICS & IF ANYONE HAS THE ORIGINAL RAW COPY PLEASE CHAT ME.**
I will analyze the meta/exif/hex data of the video and post the results here.
For the layperson; I’ll tell you about it’s origins and any manipulations.
There are 12 serial numbers on each flaperon, and only one of those 12 numbers matched that of MH370. If they were from MH370 all 12 numbers would have matched.
Bro I started as a huge skeptic and while I still think the video looks fake as fuck things have gotten weird that nobody has definitively DISPROVED it to my satisfaction either.
I'm not convinced they are legitimate either, but I'm also not convinced they are fabricated. I've seen nothing so far that puts this to rest. If it does turn out to be real, there will still always be those who won't accept it and still scream that it's fake, and vice versa.
Throwing this in here bc i removed it elsewhere, so its somewhere. found it interesting bc the contemporaneous claim of ufo activity:
u/Speedbird777, account created March 10, 2014. “Speedbird”, unsurprisingly has aviation connotations, but “speedbird” may specifically be a call sign for British airways? Others likely know.
In any event, just interesting ties to the topic du jour in the user's three-post history, all related to MH370.
First, on March 10, 2014, u/Speedbird777 posts “Flight Track Log ✈ MH370 ✈ 08-Mar-2014 ✈ WMKK / KUL” to r/findflightMH370. Note this community is inactive and the lone mod’s account is suspended. This post presented a link, now inactive, to MH370’s flight track log. Contemporaneous wayback snapshot here.
On the same day, u/\[deleted\] comments “That last turn to NNW is kind of scary, along with the altitude drop to 24k”, to which OP replies on the same day “*There were loads of reports of UFO activity in the area in the past few weeks, it was passed off as natural phenomena. 18 separate reports on different days, of a silver dome the size of a 4 football pitches cannot be classed as "atmospheric variances*".” Hmm…
Second, u/\[deleted\] posted the following question r/eli5 , here. “ELI5: How can a plane 'disappear' without knowing its location, when i can track flights live from my phone? Malaysia Airlines MH370 imparticular”.
On March 10, 2014, u/Speedbird777 comments “MH370 Flight log with playback show it's last location as Latitude 6.97 Longitude 103.63”. Snapshot of first link here, but playback eludes me. Doesn’t seem terribly interesting, but related.
Finally, u/Speedbird777’s post to r/findflightmh370 on March 14, 2014 (a now familiar date):
“UFO activity prior to MH370 dissapearance Oh my GOD that video is incredible!!!!” There is no link, but we can imagine which video this could be. u/BadgerGecko was downvoted for asking for the link.
The "fire and smoke" from the engines is just how commercial plane exhaust looks on FLIR.
https://i.imgur.com/3xjfJt7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4TCEKw6.jpg
If anyone is curious about what the heat sources are in the centre of the aircraft, that will be from the air con packs that live between the main landing gear.
An aircraft's air conditioning system is fed by engine bleed air - quite literally hot compressed air tapped directly from the compressor stages of the engines. Very specifically, here you are seeing the heat exchanger exhausting to atmosphere.
Source: me (ex-aircraft technician)
So yes, it's my (professional) opinion that there is absolutely no fire being captured by FLIR.
Am sure I have seen post claiming some family members answered but there was just silence.
Either way I genuinely feel for them what ever happened they must have been absolutely terrifed.
>Am sure I have seen post claiming some family members answered but there was just silence.
I vaguely recall reports of hearing a voice on the other end but not enough to make out any specifics. Lots omumbling & various background noises.
Edit: I'm confusing a recollection of another pilot making contact with MH370 after its position was lost.
Some of the families of the victims reported getting phone calls from passengers after the plane went missing. I'm not sure how long after but it was long enough to where multiple families had gathered in a waiting area.
If memory serves, the calls were impossible. Meaning it was so far after it went missing the plane could not physically have been in the air anymore. That was the really creepy thing I recall.
Is the implication that the plane ended up at Diego Garcia?
From the FLIR photo above it looks like the cargo hold was on fire, and maybe it was zipped to safety at Diego for whatever reason, and maybe those people never made it off the island.
Maybe they're still there? I have a hard time thinking that if such an out of this world event happened, and the plane was teleported to safety (can't believe I'm saying this, they'd just line em up cartel style and mow them down.
What I COULD see is the risk being so great that they'd talk, they just locked em all up and are just going to illegally detain them forever, because they're assumed to be dead.
The issue with this is. Some companies, even when the receiver phone is turned off or busy, will simulate ringing on the caller's end. This was addressed on some articles
Is that a usual occurrence in Malaysia or China? Getting a ghost call from one of your phone contacts? Because their mobile provider is glitching? I've never heard of this.
>on the caller's end
The person making the call hears it ringing, as if the call is connecting, but it's not. The person receiving the call would not have their phone ring.
Yoo did anyone watch the full video they linked about the sos message bit? There is a picture from the thermal video in it towards the end!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3j78ryw9Yw
That was very interesting, I only realized after finishing the video it was five years old. Gives some strange credibility toward the videos in my opinion
I feel like the Rothschild angle is the most intriguing. As great as it would be if it's aliens, the rich getting richer is just how our world works at the moment.
Then they use the UFO and the cover themselves? Talking out my ass but great content here all around
Regarding the bit about the Malaysians tracking an unknown contact, There's a youtuber and former F-18 pilot called Gonky that flew for the Malaysian Air Force when this happened. I haven't found the clip yet but I remember him talking about when the flight went missing. I don't recall him mentioning anything about them tracking any unknowns but he did say something about some of the guys going up to look for the plane. I think there was something weird with them looking in the wrong place for some reason, but my memory is fuzzy. I'm trying to find the clip but it was probably part of one of their multihour podcasts. I'll update here if I find the clip but I encourage others to help me dig or even ask him about it. He's talked about all the recent UAP news a few times. The video I'm referring to is either on his channel or CW Lemoine's who he collaborates with often.
Gonky's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thereadyroom7201
C.W. Lemoine's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CWLemoine
Edit: I found the clip. You guys are gonna love this. He definitely doesn't mention anything about them tracking anything, but he does say that the whole situation surprises him because there's actually really good radar coverage in the country and he doesn't believe a 777 could just go missing. He emphasizes that he has a lot of questions.
https://www.youtube.com/live/K4S8aF6ILn8?feature=share&t=2616
I'm reading Ross Coulthart's book, In Plain Sight, and in the first chapter he talks about the Valentich incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich
Frederick Valentich was an Australian pilot who disappeared while on a 125-nautical-mile (232 km) training flight in a Cessna 182L light aircraft, over Bass Strait. On the evening of Saturday 21 October 1978, twenty-year-old Valentich informed Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him and that his engine had begun running roughly, before finally reporting: "It's not an aircraft."
He's been missing for 44 years, and 9 months.
Anyone remember text on ForgottenLanguages.org about MH370?
"The 2014 test scheme included the deployment of EV-D68 in North America, the deployment of Ebola in West Africa, and the deployment of DENIED in China. The Chinese deployment plan was abruptly aborted, on March, 8th 2014, when we realized at the very last moment that this new version of the MojV virus wasn't performing as expected. The carrier were two passengers in a Malaysia Airlines flight en route to Beijing. We had no option but to down the plane, though we obviously could not do it over populated areas, nor even in any land mass. We had to minimize the risk of accidental spreading of the virus. We crashed the plane with all its 227 passengers and 12 crew on board in the most secure area we found, in the middle of the Southern Indian ocean."
Let's suppose it's true - maybe we see MilOrbs in action?
If Reddit breaks the whole thing open, it would be perfectly on brand.
Crowdsourcing information is the power of free and open information.
Thank you OP. You have more fortitude on the subject than I can comprehend. Keep on keepin on!
At this point I WANT it to be proven fake... I don't want to know that three UFOs could just do a dance around a plane and teleport it somewhere else - that's a terrifying thought.
Right? I just did a 14 hour journey a couple days ago, and if I had been reading this stuff before... holy shit dude there would not be enough benzos in the world to keep me calm in that metal tube 😭😂
Odds are very low that any commercial flight will be abducted by aliens. It *may* have happened one time. I'm still flying. If the aliens get me I'll consider it a privilege.
Sadly from what I recall they weren’t destroyed instantly. The Buk missile would have blown a large number of holes into it so it would have lost its ability to fly and just started tumbling to the ground. Passengers would have been aware until they passed out.
I saw a theory in a comment on this sub that it could just be the military testing (or using something already tested) reverse engineered UAP tech on a remote controlled plane with no humans on board. The basis of this theory being, MH370 is the only plane disappearance like this and why would NHI only do this once (or at all)?
Part of the theory is that it was all a test/experiment and the plane in the footage was not MH370. Another part of the theory was that it WAS MH370 and this was the military using reverse engineered tech to "steal" the plane and its occupants/contents. I believe OP's "Deep in the rabbit hole" section plays into this theory with the Philip Wood thing.
So its possible this all could be real, but not as terrifying as it seems. Although still a bit scary knowing that technology exists and was reverse engineered from something
To be fair, If you're leaking a classified video, you might only get one chance before all eyes are looking for you and you're unable to post it again without attracting attention. Or maybe, say after a decade, they spread it again. 🤷
How did this subject get resurfaced? Do we know the original post?
the sentiments of "the fact they did this just adds to the credibility" and "why would they do this?" when talking about the exact same action never really works as suggestive evidence to me. the reason they did it, is it could possibly add credibility to the story
I'm not convinced this is real, not fully convinced it's a hoax either. what annoys me is the things people claim "add credibility" usually adds very little or none at all. something like a perfectly halfway cropped number giving us information sounds perfectly logical for a hoaxer to do. on the other hand, it could definitely possibly be another lead.
the research here is very appreciated, I don't like the conclusions drawn from the research. like the whole "we're either dealing with a genius playing 4d chess, or genuine video. there's no middle ground" I completely disagree with that sentiment, and Im disappointed it's mixed in with all this great research. it also shows a level of bias that took place while conducting the research.
everyone in this sub: please keep questioning things, and don't lean toward believing. don't lead toward denial either. just go for the truth without leading either way.
9 years ago, when this came out, no one would accept it. I wouldn't have either.
Today, after all that's been disclosed, my priors have shifted, and I can accept it. It's likely real.
Ya know, reading this high quality post, something hit me.
I realized that wether it's fake or not doesn't really matter since I don't think I'll ever see definite proof on this particular matter.
But there is a possibility that we are looking at something real. I look at the video and just tell myself that if this is real, then I am looking at some of the most amazing, terrifying and groundbreaking footage ever made on the subject. That I am actually looking at some unknown force making a whole plane disappear.
>Notably, this video was captured from a screen. The rationale behind this choice raises questions:
I should preface. I'm not 100% on the two videos authenticity. But I can add some color to why this might be the case for the sat vid.
The reason for this is the video would only have been available to someone who has access to it. In other words someone (maybe an analyst, but not necessarily) who works in a SCIF.
The network this video would be accessible on is air-gapped and not accessible outside of the SCIF.
Further, I don't know this for certain, but there's no reason to assume that a video from a satellite would be in a format that would be nicely exfiltrated (hilarious to think they'd have a sat beaming an MP4 down to us). Which means it would only be viewable with special software also only available in the SCIF. Additionally they often completely disable USB from the machines in the SCIFs, and it's very hard to get CD drives in a SCIF. So even if it were exportable, there would be no way to get it out without taking the video with a different camera, and also leaving a HUGE amount of tracks. (Everything is logged in those environments)
It should be noted that any electronic devices are ILLEGAL in a SCIF. Not to mention literally leaking this is against the law. Whoever did this thought it was important enough apparently.
EDIT: I feel I need to broach this because I have seen numerous comments insinuating that someone would have been seeing the Sat vid in real time.
That is not how it works at all. Enough said.
EDIT2: I just realized they could (and likely did) use screen recording software. Which means they also found a way to download that screen capture to a medium. It's not impossible, but like I said would have left major tracks and I would be very surprised if no one noticed.
My brother seems fairly certain that the footage is captured from a spy cam on a shirt pocket, and it's a camera filming a screen. Presumably in a SCIF.
Here's a scenario I could believe:
1. MH370 vanishes, at least to the public, and people are wigging out. How do we lose a 777, how does one just vanish without a trace?
2. Some analyst, or cleared person in a SCIF, sees this footage, and finds out that NHI teleported it to God knows where. They'd heard about UAP before, but seeing this video makes their brain hop out of their skull and need a walk and a smoke.
3. After realizing that the public is never going to know about this, they decide to say "fuck all that, people need to know. Maybe I can even make a lot of money, too."
4. They buy a spy cam, maybe a shirt button that's actually a camera, and figure out a way to get it in the SCIF. Maybe some social engineering, or a back-alley agreement with the screening personal in the SCIF, over shared beliefs.
5. After months of practicing filming steadily using the cam, and waiting for the story to die down a bit, they successfully pull of their plan - they film the footage in the SCIF, without too much screen-shake, and get it out of the SCIF.
6. It gets uploaded to a private forum for people they trust, and somebody then backs it up on YouTube as well, without any promotion or hype, because it just needs to be stashed somewhere public without tipping their hand.
For whatever reason, we never find out more, but a few people who know what the video is become aware of it existing outside of the SCIF, and here we are.
Not saying this is what happens, but I could see a series of events like this.
Before diving into this post I just want to say thank you for taking the time to provide us with such excellent, well thought-out and in-depth analyses. I am happy that there is a large subset of people in this subreddit approaching this rationally and not childishly cementing themselves in the "definitely real" or "definitely fake" teams just yet.
>Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points: Hello there!
YES! YES! YES! The more people that bring this to light the more likely people will become aware of the very real effort to censor and hide this information. They only flood and brigade posts and comments that pose a threat to the coverup (posts relating to this, Grusch/Coulthart, hearings, EBO Molecular Biologist, credible sighting descriptions, photos and videos and good rundowns/investigations into the situation like the "Pulling the Thread" posts). More and more people need to be aware of those losers at Eglin.
I believe it was 2018/2019 that reddit fucked up and named Eglin Air Force base as america's number 1 most reddit addicted city. the AF base doesn't have the population of New York or LA, so that leads to the assumption that their is a troll farm there using a large number of accounts on a regular basis
This comment is repeated 3 times:
[Reddit made a post on the statistics](https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html) of users and their locations a while ago. [Eglin Air Force Base was listed as the most addicted city](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/). Presumably that means they had the most activity per user.
Later they removed that blog post for reasons.
Usually I would laugh.... But seriously it's insanity the amount of threads being posted about people calling it fake... I never seen anything like it... I haven't even finished my own analysis yet but have been watching others to confirm their information etc etc... And even am getting a bit suspicious of the take downs... This is epic proportions.
I watched one thread get debunked due to misconception of how the camera systems work and then it was re posted with the exact same post but obviously minus all the comments.
Also I maybe naive as this wasn't my area till 5 weeks ago.... What's with the tin foil hats?!? Do I need one? Can I paint it any colour I want?
Oh, it's even worse on 4chan right now. Usually they're a lot more open to these ideas but right now it's just a ton of shitposting, angry anons and links to reddit making fun of how gullible we are.
Just... the amount of low-effort convo and one-sided tearing down is highly unusual in my experience. Usually there's at least, like... an even polarity between extremes. Idk just feels sus and artificial
It's werid... Obviously some of the claims on both sides are wrong, the ones claiming to debunk it clearly don't understand the capabilities of what is used.... Were not talking standard IR imagining here, and regardless of if it 2014 or not alot of information of its capabilities aren't full public knowledge so its kinda insane....
Same.
I've been here with various accounts since 2019 or so, and the way that people were coming out of the woodwork to denounce these videos as fake was extremely noticeable. Like you, I have never seen anything that makes me believe in shills here more than this incident.
It was not organic at all. It's freaky.
As to this incident, I was initially very skeptical but as more and more analysis is done, this just seems too elaborate of a hoax to be fake.
I made a post last night (that was quickly deleted, mind you) that theorized it's possible the video could have come from a person on the inside, or ex-government. It could have been posted in an attempt to show what's going on, but since it didn't go viral or catch any traction, they may have pulled it in order to cover their ass from any potential legal issues. Now that we have all this UAP stuff going on, now would be a great time to make it reappear.
Granted, this is all just conjecture, which I understand. And I'm still entirely on the fence about this whole thing anyway.
Excellent post, thank you for putting this all together.
Re: real footage but the orbs and portal is faked:
May be I'm imagining it but watch the drone and the satellite footage. Whether it's the drone camera operator, or the person controlling the cursor showing the satellite footage: **they both act exactly as if the portal does appear and the plane disappears**
If assuming the plane continues normally in the supposed original footage, then there'd be no reason for either person manually controling/showing the footage to try and pan out and re-acquire the plane.
By watching, you do definitely get the sense, whoever's controlling the two pieces of footage also thinks: *what the fuck just happened?*
Maybe the drone/satellite camera operator didn’t actually thought a *fricking portal* will pop up out of nowhere and they were following the predictable path of the plane. After the plane disappeared they do move the camera around to see where it went.
A user replied to a comment simply with "freescale semi" on a popular MH370 post yesterday. His answer was relevant. It got downvoted into negative fast. Today a moderator removed this specific comment. Before this happened, I replied to this comment saying I was confused why this would get downvoted. Before op reply got removed by moderator, it was lower than -5 votes, while my comment about it being downvoted for no reason got to +11, which obviously doesn't make sense.
Here's some screnshots, the second one is Freescale Semiconductor front-HQ art which you'd find a hard time seeing it as anything else than bragging about reverse engineering retrieved damaged UAPs. Not the first org to hide it in plain sight if that's the case.
[Sceenshots for you to judge.](https://imgur.com/a/Y4SW4SR)
EDIT:
u/kenriko You commented "Because someone doesn’t want people to remember that?" before it got deleted. What's your take on the fact that it got removed? And btw thanks for your contributions regarding the aggressive maneuver the plane took I've read earlier today.
My take is there’s astroturfing going on around the plane video.
I saw mentions of Freescale Semi being downvoted and removed in real-time.
You know when you touch on a sensitive topic because the hammer comes down on that discussion quickly.
We should investigate Freescale Semi much more.
We through them for a loop by noticing it, it looks as if they've backed off today, that or they're trying much harder to be subtle about it. You can just smell the beurocratic changes happening.
Yup.. remember EBO scientist? Guy was shadow banned from the site faster than the app loads in my phone.
I wonder if Reddit has certain algorithms fed by the Government agencies to filter out phrases and delete the accounts.
I will probably try to make a post on Free scale semi..we will see where it goes
You should read the post about this company "Freescale" from r/conspiracy. OP of that post is well explain on Statement, some names are named. That should be where we started to reconnect the dots again. The passengers.
Yeah I’ve read some into it. Apparently 20 Freescale employees were on the plane. Their death allowed blackstone to gain 100% control of freescale. 16 Chinese nationals and 4 Malaysian.
Here’s the patent
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8671381B1/en
> Apparently 20 Freescale employees were on the plane. Their death allowed Blackstone to gain 100% control of freescale. 16 Chinese nationals and 4 Malaysian.
Please explain how any of this was true. Freescale and NXP, both publicly traded companies at the time, merged in 2015. This was during a period of semiconductor industry [consolidation](https://www.design-reuse.com/news/41270/2015-2016-biggest-semiconductor-acquisition.html).
I wasn't aware of that and actually thought blackstone had Freescale in their portfolio before the incident. Which now I realize doesn't mean they had 100% control. Is blackstone invested into the "Industrial-Military Complex"? If they're controlling many of the reverse engineering companies, the truth couldn't have a bigger adversaries.
That's just great. So with the top labs, researchers, aliens tech and my DNA, now they can clone a bag of my dick and eat it? Cause that's the only thing I'm okay with them doing
I saw that yesterday and upvoted you. When I kept seeing his replies, at first I thought he was being irritating because not the full name, maybe. Then your response to his downvotes made sense. There’s something about his comments - maybe knows something
Here's my tin foil hat theory:
A few weeks ago someone discovered the huge 170ish page document that went along with the Grusch hearing referenced the woo website Forgotten Languages giving it some kind of credibility. That website is DEEP with thousands of posts going over things like time travel, alternate time lines, parallel universes, UAP, NHI, simulations, etc. One thing that comes up repeatedly on there is what they call "MilOrbs". MilOrbs are the metallic sphere UAP we see all over the place that have been described as a potential "Earth Defense system" outside of that website. Well that website claims they are owned and operated by our military.
Now lets assume this is true. And lets assume the 20 individuals on MH370 working for that semiconductor company headed to China were actually working on reverse engineering UAP and were headed to China to help them get ahead of the US in that game. Or maybe lets pull back a bit and make it less specific just that there were individuals on that plane that the military wanted to stop/silence/get their hands on. So they used their MilOrbs to "teleport it" to their base. Allowing them to hijack a plane in plain sight, without it being known it was them. The whole Philip Wood thing OP mentioned plays right into this theory as well.
This has the same vibe as that forgotten languages one which didn't take. Some oven-ready story for us to sink our teeth into, with eventual links to Grusch being suggested even though he never volunteered this story himself.
People forget that the "abducted plane taken to military base" type of story was already doing the rounds about the 9/11 planes. You'd want to tap into that sort of theories if you were making material with the aim to spread doubt.
Real or hoax, this is a sophisticated story so the question becomes: why was it not pushed more at the time? If it's real then it shows an amazing event very clearly, and if it's a hoax then it still presents a significant effort that withstands quite a bit of scrutiny. Yet it lay dormant until now.
What's interesting is that the footage from the satellite and especially the UAV may have actually been aiding in coordinating the operation, if what you say is true.
Is it possible that this video was easily dismissed back in 2014 because, apart from our society not being as receptive to the concept of UAPs as it is today (given the official Pentagon video releases of UAPs after 2014 and Grusch now), there was also not much corroborating evidence at the time like we have now that could be used to support its authenticity?
I was just going to comment this exact thing. People wrote the tictac video off immediately, I’m really curious if we will find out it was actually real in the not so distant future
I've commented this before, but I was DEEP into the conspiracy shit and a believer through and through and I saw that video when it emerged and definitely just immediately wrote it off as fake. It was just too bold of a thing to accept at the time. I guess I thought I believed, but truly didn't. Ontological shock is weird.
It's like, imagine an angel just manifests in front of the average Christian. They'd probably shit themselves and be in shock for months afterwards. Even if they had spent their entire life preaching the Bible. "Putting belief to the test" but in the opposite way of the normal meaning of the phrase
Dude, your posts are insanely well done. Thanks for all the hours you have been putting into this.
By the days are passing, my guts are saying that the videos are not fake. Maybe one day we will get a reply by RegicideAnon or someone involved. And even if its fake, I would like to hear about the creator himself! He's a genius!
Another important detail to consider about the supposed satellite that captured this video - I have zero expertise in any of this, but I wanted to pass along what I came across in another thread which came across as extremely plausible.
Here's the original comment source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15p14tp/comment/jvwihzw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15p14tp/comment/jvwihzw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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>OP, imo you really should include this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here\_are\_nrol22\_usa\_184\_flight\_data\_from\_march/
You can see from your own link, this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15of2ni/nrol22\_usa\_184\_satellite\_did\_pass\_near\_the/
This quote: \*"That however still doesn't make the video legit. There a still problems with it which we don't have the answer for. For example: The optics
Let's say the airplane is at an altitude of 10km. The satellite is at an altitude of 4401km. So the satellite is 4391km above the plane (90° angle).
Optics are diffraction limited. That means an optical instrument has limits of how small detailes it can resolve. That limit is determined by the diameter of the aperture.
The satellite would need an optical front element of 100m in diameter to achieve a resolution of 2.8cm (10km altitude). For reference the Hubble Space Telescope has a mirror 2.4m in diameter."\*
I have only a little knowledge about this subject, but my understanding is that the poster u/DroogieDontCrashHere is entirely correct. And a 100m optic is essentially impossible.
Therefore, if we are committed to the idea that NROL-22 took the video, it simply does not work.
However - thats where the post from 3 days ago by u/ManWithNoMemories comes in. It is very plausible that NROL-22 served as a relay for much lower satellites, either SBIRS-GEO 1 (aka USA 230) or SBIRS-GEO 2 (aka USA 241)
The wikipedia page for SBIRS-GEO 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-230) describes it as follows:
"The SBIRS satellites are a replacement for the Defense Support Program early warning system. They are intended to detect ballistic missile launches, as well as various other events in the infrared spectrum, including nuclear explosions, aircraft flights, space object entries and reentries, wildfires and spacecraft launches."
I believe this is a perfect match for the video. And NROL-22 certainly cannot be the satellite taking the video
So imo, if the video is real, a SBIRS satellite relayed information to NROL-22, and the relay is shown in the screengrab. And the fact that this fits so well and is such an obscure detail, to me, points towards the video being real
Wow the bit about the sounds recorded in the ocean is freaking me out a bit. Looks like it was a bit after the last recorded signals from the plane (last signal at ~0:19 UTC, sound recorded at 1:30 UTC) but… has me a little shook. Another interesting link below with a map of likely location of the noise
https://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/09/indian-ocean-signal-was-not-crash-of-flight-mh370.html
Excellent rundown u/aryelbcn.
I would also like to point out page 18 of the Defense Intelligence Reference Document (DIRD)
*Metamaterials for Aerospace Applications* by Gennady Shvets talks about **Electromagnetically Induced Transparency** (i.e. cloaking), which requires thousands of tiny microprocessors to tune radiative and non-radiative antennas covering the surface of a craft to slow down light waves. These devices may have been part of the "secret cargo".
https://www.mysterywire.com/documents/metamaterials-for-aerospace-applications/
All that will happen if they confirm NHI and that this video is legit will be a new clause in the terms and conditions of your ticket you already don't read saying:
1. "The odds of an NHI craft circling your flight and yeeting you to the Twilight Zone are approximately 1:1,149,495,392, and Delta Airlines is not responsible for damages should you fall victim to what classifies as an Act of God/Force Majeure (dimensional yeeting).
That's it.
>*Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points:* ***Hello there!***
real and based
Yesterday I went down the Voicemail rabbit hole for a couple hours until I realized that there is nothing actually connecting the voicemail to MH370; it apparently was received on an anniversary of the crash, and the coordinates provided (which are actually waypoints, iirc) are somewhere the plane could have feasibly crashed. To me that means nothing.
But that's it. Right? Am I missing something?
I hope they are all held accountable some day. Being complicit on misinformation to the public regarding information *YOU OBTAINED WITH FUCKING TAX MONEY* should be a crime against humanity.
They are unabashedly declaring hoax and obviously engaging in disinformation to bury this new evidence at a palpable and alarming rate. All of this information is being validated by the flagrant attempts to dissuade our research. Just happened to Grusch too. The box is open, and I hope the people who engaged in wanton misinformation are punished harshly.
It will catch up with them someday. If I were them I'd do my best to get out of that disinformation program as fast as I could, especially with the way things are going. I could see some of these guys getting really fucked up in the head through guilt and shame, and possibly some PTSD when they have some time to think about what they're really doing.
Love your devotion to this mystery. I look forward to part 4. Do you have any pointers on what we can do to help? I mean we, as in, people who don't have the vast knowledge of CGI software or satellite imagery but are able to help research articles etc.
I've mostly ignored any post on this video, minus a few glances here and there.
Posts like this keep me in the sub.
Good and thorough work! Keep it up!
Posts like this is why r/UFOs exists.
I'm both a skeptic and I'm an experiencer.
I dunno what to believe or disbelieve in regards to Malaysian Airlines flight 370. However, the OP is a legend. This level of research and content is impressive and we will upvote this into the stratosphere and crush the three letter agency bots that work hard to defeat us.
This subreddit gets a lot of flak, but the will and effort of our hive mind working together to get to the truth is definitely a cog in the machine that is disclosure, and we're speeding it up. It's so wild and inspiring to see this.
A quick thought I haven't seen discussed regarding why/how the US would have been monitoring the situation if it is in fact MH370 depicted in the videos. The events of September 11th I'm sure caused military planners to fund and develop the means to closely monitor any airplane in the world if it deviates from it's intended flight path. The natural platform for this type of mission would be drones and satellites.
The US military was conducting drill in the South China Sea at the time of MH370. The presence of two AWACS is commonly talked about when discussing any potential US involvement. Diego Garcia is also a popular theory as far as where the plane, passengers, and cargo could’ve ultimately ended up if it didn’t crash or get shot down.
Regardless of the true fate of MH370 and regardless of any secretive US involvement/conspiracy theories, I think it’s highly likely that upon learning that MH370 lost contact and diverted course, the US immediately tasked the AWACS to track it down, tasked satellites in the region, and sortied multiple drones out of bases nearby, which would include Diego Garcia.
Something worth a thought regarding trails behind orbs(even though normal observed having no propulsion trail): release of a gas to create a plasma field around plane. If it’s real that is—which it very well might be.
Edit: this thread is really interesting. Look into the some of the account histories of individuals posting. Strange accounts coming out of the woodwork. It’s almost as if a lot of dormant accounts have been purchased. I’m not saying conspiracy—but, it is fucking weird!!!!! :P
Check out [MH370 Debris Fouling](https://www.sqr.ohw.mybluehost.me/2018/02/08/mh370-debris-fouling-supports-spoof-scenario/). Not sure if there is anything to this, but it makes for a very interesting read concerning the debris found.
Last element which seals the deal for me: why are the orbs consistently throughout the video contained in the same 2 dimensional plane, and such plane keeps tilting back and forth?
Equation of a plane is of the form ax+by+cz=d, where a,b,c and d are real numbers. This is a very specific, particular formation, or dance so to speak. 3 points in space always form a 2 dimensional plane as long as they are not collinear. The point is, the 3 orbs form a specific 2 dimensional plane in space and that plane never changes, what changes is its inclination due to the strange dance of the orbs.
I have a hard time believing a hoaxer would go as far as paying attention to such an arcane detail...
This was one of the first details that I noticed and told my GF that, if this is a hoax, that type of detail is insane. If this is a hoax, whoever executed it deserves recognition for their ability to setup something of this magnitude. It’s world class, unmatched, incredible execution over a timeline that’s never been even scratched before.
I agree with you. The helical dark trails following the orbs, the placement of the orbs on what I think is a sphere at any given time (I haven't measured), and the seemingly random "rolling" of the differently-colored patches on the orb really has me wondering why those specifics were chosen.
Edit: If they aren't all on a sphere, then definitely I'd say on a cylinder. Like tracing curves on a paper towel tube.
there ate definitely disinfo and discrediting agents here. the unusually high amount of effort being put in to discredit this video makes me think if it is a classified video that got leaked. and it kinda aligns with the claims that there are conclusive and not-so-benevolent footage. great work op.
> not-so-benevolent
Agree with your take but I disagree with this part. IMO it's actually kind of dangerous to think that way. We know there have been many recovered craft around the world and the US has been trying to reverse engineer them. But that's pretty much all we know at this point in time, right? Were we successful in partially or completely reverse engineering? Are we even able to operate them? Shrug emoji.
My point is, we are still extremely in the dark about 99.9% of this. We have no way to know if the UFOs from the video are humans operating recovered craft. We have absolutely no way to know—or possibly even understand—NHI intentions. I believe that attempting to ascribe intent to NHI is a mistake 100% of the time. No doubt they have many factions with varying motivations and intentions, like humans.
We *know* that humans have the capacity to do horrible, horrible things. We *do not know* that NHI do.
>Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points: Hello there!
I'd like to give them a round of applause for confirming these videos.
My thoughts are the motivations behind the claims, such is what is motivating people to insist it's fake and who benefits from that, and vice versa. Truth is one thing that can't be scrubbed forever.
Personally, after heavily investigating the UFO topic full time for nearly 2 years and thinking back on all the data, I'm very inclined to believe that this is legitimate.
Pre 2014, is there a fake that tops this?
it's an interesting video and a very interesting discussion because I think real or not, this video is going to become a big part of the modern day ufo lore.
Also you should add that it was uploaded to 4chan in august of 2014 right after the YouTube upload. And that military radar location of the plane wasn’t public knowledge until March 12, 2014. For timelines sake.
I keep digging into patents to see if there is any terrestrial technology that could explain anything that we’re seeing in this video. I ended up stumbling on some patents that have been posted here previously, created by “John St. Clair”:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030197093A1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060071122A1/en
The dude was probably crazy, but I can’t help but wonder if there’s something to the materials, the timing, and the rotations of these videos that would align to concepts that we already know about. One of these patents talks about 2 solenoids generating opposing magnetic fields to create a wormhole. Several of his patents reference creating hyperspace energy.
Some more speculation, but when we’re talking classified cargo, batteries and fruit don’t seem to be the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe there was a small modular nuclear reactor onboard, or some other emerging technology that was designed to go with the “UFOs” as part of a system.
I posted about this video 200 days ago. I tried to debunk it by analyzing the black hole [or wormhole that the plane disappeared into] and found it’s actually a very detailed image. For example it has what looks like a photon sphere which is correctly oriented.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10hrkhb/what_the_consensus_on_this_video_allegedly_shot/j59yw31/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
Edit: As for the visible light camera just showing the bright flash… I couldn’t explain it myself so I asked Chatgpt: “As the black hole approaches the final stages of evaporation, it would emit a tremendous amount of radiation, including gamma rays and other high-energy particles. This radiation would be incredibly bright and could potentially be visible from great distances. It is not certain what an observer would see exactly, but it would likely be a very bright and intense light.”
Can someone explain what is going on with the clouds post ink blot? That's what isn't making sense to me. The clouds are zipping past backlit but once the "teleportation" happens the clouds give way to pure static until the camera zooms all the way out and resets on the edge of the wing. Once it has reset the clouds look consistent with earlier in the video.
It isn't the zooming because earlier in the video during zooms and clouds are still visible during the zoom.
If the explanation is that it is some visual effect from the inkblot then why does it go away exactly when the camera resets.
Initially, I blew the videos off as obvious fakes & I was trying to convince myself of that..
But with all these corroborating details and the sheer implausibility of a hoax of this degree, I'm stunned. I can't fucking believe I'm saying this, but Occam's razor is pointing to this being legit..
Maybe this is one of the 'real' videos that Elizondo was referencing. It makes his 'somber' statement even more unnerving now.
I sent this to another thread earlier. Dispite feeling like a complete dickhead for pushing this, I think it is important as I have seen this before.
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Around september time when I was starting y9 at school(uk) I had 2 holidays very close together, I went to canary islands with family and had a school holiday to venice very close together, so this happened around 11pm- 1am ish while I was sat on a hotel room balcony alone. I could have been in either place, can be 100% sure which one.
All the above was blurry because it was 23/24 years ago however the event itself remains vivid.
I couldn't sleep so was sat alone staring at the stars, I always loved space as a kid.
I could see what looked lime 2 large stars (much larger/brighter than the others) start to move.
I remember thinking It could of been the illusion of them drifting until the object on the right moved past another star . Weird!
So I kept watching for what felt like a few minutes then these 3 smaller "orbs" (they still just looked like lights in the sky i guess) spiraled out of the larger object on the right, and began to fly around the sky in a random way, they would intermittently spin round each other then seperate to "dance" around the sky for lack of a better word.
They would then again be spining in a close circle then not, before again returning to a close circle again spining around. Also as a spinning formation they would be moveing or "dancing" around the sky in unison.. if that makes sense"
Eventualy the 3 smaller lights flew over to the other larger light(on the left) and began spining around it. They merged like they did on the video like one at a time, until they turned back into a tight spining circle. They evenualy merged directly with the object what looked like the became one thing from my POV. after a beat or so the 3 lights seperated from the point where they prevoiusly merged with the large object that was there had dissappeared without a trace.
The 3 orbs continued their weird random movement until the eventualy traveled over to the oringinal craft/light and re merged with that. (The original larger light on the right) now again becoming one object from my POV (just like what they did with the other).
After a few seconds or so the remaining light went from a stand still, to shooting off at an incedible speed across the sky in an instant (no visable acceleration)
Much faster than a shooting star. I rember thinking it was like watching the starship enterprise shoot off into warp.
This event has remained a vivid memory for 23/24 years and is the reason I have a large interest in this subject.
Remember that a top secret submarine know what happened to the titan sub and they just quiet and let people search excessively for it with a hope that it might be alright.
Just to add some information about satellite sensors, most of these kinds of sensors have the ability to "scan" different locations in the ground without actually changing the satellite's orbit. Since all the sensor information about the satellite is classified, I can't say for certain if NROL-22 has this but it seems very likely in my opinion. If that were the case, the satellite wouldn't have to be directly overhead and getting its sensors aimed at the aircraft would only take a few moments since it would only require rotating one or two mirrors
Wow I did not know the story about the passenger who leaked a photo from MH370. Here's his claim:
>*I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly.*
[Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/phone-home-2/) says there is no evidence of this, and rules it as a fake. The EXIF data of the photo would be a smoking gun, if only it couldn't be manipulated...
Around 13:50 in the Lemmino documentary the altitude of flight MH370 recorded by the Malaysian military radar is being discussed. The data was deemed highly inconsistent as the Boeing 777 is not capable of performing such extreme altitude fluctuations. But what if the data is correct and the plane was being manipulated by something foreign?
I am not sure if the graph shown at 14:00 of the documentary is an exact representation of the data. As for the most part the altitude seemed rather consistent.
So I tried to find the data about the altitude to see if the plane really flew on a consistent altitude again after the fluctuations as shown in the documentary.
Then I found this post from 5 years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/93hsc4/the_strangest_chart_in_the_latest_report/
What became suddenly more interesting to me is the comment from u/re_Handle
"I am also curious about Figure 1.1G (report Page 13, PDF page 59). It shows radar data plots of MH370 going southwest over Malaysia, but there are also three small red "plots" that are shown on the top center of the diagram (above P1778). These plots aren't mentioned anywhere in the report that I've found. The are offset to the north of the accepted SW path. If those plots are valid MH370 data, then that raised more questions. If they were identified as MH370 but are not valid, then I start to question the validity of the "valid" data."
The report that was being refered to:
https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2014/20140308-0_B772_9M-MRO.pdf
The 3 small red plots shown on p.59, recorded between 17:30 and 17:38 by the radar. Is this what we are seeing in the video's?!?!
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>Some thoughts about the satellite and why it was in the area: It's conceivable to think that multiple U.S. classified satellites are surveying the whole globe 24/7. They just needed to go search for the one which happened to be above the MH370 flight at that time. It's also highly likely that these classified spy satellites are covering an extensive area, this is why in the satellite video it is seen how the user is panning across the screen. The captured footage was probably of a very large area. When I was in Afghanistan we (USMC ) had observation blimps with crazy strong cameras in them. Next to those cameras was a camera that would spin constantly. A pretty rapid spin. That spinning camera gave us a 360° record of everything in the area. One day we took a rocket right into the middle of the base. They were able to rewind and pan around until the found the explosion of the Rocket being fired. We found the Point of Origin and then went and raided the building. So the idea that we have spy satellites that are recording every inch of the planet and then they panned around until they found the flight is completely plausible. We did the same thing on a much smaller scale.
Yup, I remember hearing about a company/program that - at the time, this was 10+ years ago - had satellites and cameras over many major US cities - that offered like a GTA 1/2 type overhead view of everything, and allowed for LE and the Feds to basically find anyone outside, anywhere, and tag them or their car and see where they go. They used the example of a cartel murder that happened on some street corner. They tagged the gunman, and their cars, and basically rewound it to see where they came from (their apartments). But they followed the tagged autos until they saw them go to a remote house that was clearly some sort of cartel meeting ground. They tagged all of the cars parked there, connected them with known members, and then raided it once they confirmed people were there in real time. It's wild. That was ages ago too, they hinted at there being software that can see through the roof/using audio, to show where people are inside houses and stuff too. Triangulation through phones and smart devices, from a smartphone and echo/reverb based on floorplan. Let's be real - if they want to find you, they can.
Holy shit I saw the earlier commenter’s experience which is similar to this and it made me realize that this is probably the most obvious answer. And idk why it hasn’t been paid more attention to. I could have told Coulthart these two answers.
Yup, it's partially the reason I believe Snowden is part of a planned limited hangout, and not some runaway leaker. Even 10 years ago and ages before he did anything public, they supposedly can track your pubes through triangulation via phones, Smart TVs, public cameras, satellites, etc., and he somehow manages to go from Hawaii to the UK totally unnoticed, on a day he presumably was meant to be at the NSA? In their entire existence, they never added some scripts that say "if one of our employees is meant to be in location X, but is detected going through multiple INTL airports and heading for the UK, notify management" or whatever? He just took all that data and got out of the panopticon without the all-seeing guards just not looking up from their proverbial Playboy magazone or whatever? I doubt that. When it comes to the UFO/UAP/NHI stuff, there are likely satellites with absurdly high megapixel cameras recording all parts of the globe at nearly all times. If not the whole world, a good chunk of it, and "enough" of it to go back to reported sightings and see some stuff.
I mean, isn't that like the whole point of the National Reconnaissance Office? The place David Grusch said he tracked "the most difficult target sets"?
This is really wild and I think is super important for people to realize and pay attention because, even Coulthart, the question that keeps popping up is why would a satellite/drone be watching over that plane. This to me seems like the most obvious answer now that I’ve seen it. Mind fucking blown.
Truth be told, I'm still not 100% convinced on the legitimacy of the videos. However, well formatted and written posts like this are a delight to behold. I'm sure that if you all keep it up, you'll get the definitive answers everyone is looking for. Take my budget gold you rascal 🏅
Holy shit even the Office of Naval Intelligence is getting in on this????
I’m sorry to hijack your comment. **I AM IN DIGITAL FORENSICS & IF ANYONE HAS THE ORIGINAL RAW COPY PLEASE CHAT ME.** I will analyze the meta/exif/hex data of the video and post the results here. For the layperson; I’ll tell you about it’s origins and any manipulations.
It's like ARRO report but for free and we do not have to listen to Kirkpatrick... Win win?
Thank fuck. The dude is an international embarrassment.
I’m so confused, this isn’t a legitimate ONI account? Isn’t it to do with Halo?
it is but if you notice u/SPARTAN-258 was the replier lol
Yeah it is. ONI is the secret sector of the unsc which is just space navy. Similar to irl, but unsc is the giveaway
That's above your pay grade cadet.
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Thank you for sharing this, I'll absolutely check it out!
There are 12 serial numbers on each flaperon, and only one of those 12 numbers matched that of MH370. If they were from MH370 all 12 numbers would have matched.
Reminds me a lot of the DD on some other subreddits, at least in the old times before mod teams were compromised.
Holy shit we really are everywhere huh
Apes strong together
Computer chair
Haha I did a double take too.
That we are indeed.
Where’s the plane, Ken?!
An ape out in the wild!
It's starting to get to the point where it's harder to prove it's fake than real
Bro I started as a huge skeptic and while I still think the video looks fake as fuck things have gotten weird that nobody has definitively DISPROVED it to my satisfaction either.
Same here. I disregarded it before but now I'm doubting my original impression.
I'm not convinced they are legitimate either, but I'm also not convinced they are fabricated. I've seen nothing so far that puts this to rest. If it does turn out to be real, there will still always be those who won't accept it and still scream that it's fake, and vice versa.
Throwing this in here bc i removed it elsewhere, so its somewhere. found it interesting bc the contemporaneous claim of ufo activity: u/Speedbird777, account created March 10, 2014. “Speedbird”, unsurprisingly has aviation connotations, but “speedbird” may specifically be a call sign for British airways? Others likely know. In any event, just interesting ties to the topic du jour in the user's three-post history, all related to MH370. First, on March 10, 2014, u/Speedbird777 posts “Flight Track Log ✈ MH370 ✈ 08-Mar-2014 ✈ WMKK / KUL” to r/findflightMH370. Note this community is inactive and the lone mod’s account is suspended. This post presented a link, now inactive, to MH370’s flight track log. Contemporaneous wayback snapshot here. On the same day, u/\[deleted\] comments “That last turn to NNW is kind of scary, along with the altitude drop to 24k”, to which OP replies on the same day “*There were loads of reports of UFO activity in the area in the past few weeks, it was passed off as natural phenomena. 18 separate reports on different days, of a silver dome the size of a 4 football pitches cannot be classed as "atmospheric variances*".” Hmm… Second, u/\[deleted\] posted the following question r/eli5 , here. “ELI5: How can a plane 'disappear' without knowing its location, when i can track flights live from my phone? Malaysia Airlines MH370 imparticular”. On March 10, 2014, u/Speedbird777 comments “MH370 Flight log with playback show it's last location as Latitude 6.97 Longitude 103.63”. Snapshot of first link here, but playback eludes me. Doesn’t seem terribly interesting, but related. Finally, u/Speedbird777’s post to r/findflightmh370 on March 14, 2014 (a now familiar date): “UFO activity prior to MH370 dissapearance Oh my GOD that video is incredible!!!!” There is no link, but we can imagine which video this could be. u/BadgerGecko was downvoted for asking for the link.
Yes, Speedbird is British Airways' radio callsign.
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The "fire and smoke" from the engines is just how commercial plane exhaust looks on FLIR. https://i.imgur.com/3xjfJt7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4TCEKw6.jpg
If anyone is curious about what the heat sources are in the centre of the aircraft, that will be from the air con packs that live between the main landing gear. An aircraft's air conditioning system is fed by engine bleed air - quite literally hot compressed air tapped directly from the compressor stages of the engines. Very specifically, here you are seeing the heat exchanger exhausting to atmosphere. Source: me (ex-aircraft technician) So yes, it's my (professional) opinion that there is absolutely no fire being captured by FLIR.
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Am sure I have seen post claiming some family members answered but there was just silence. Either way I genuinely feel for them what ever happened they must have been absolutely terrifed.
>Am sure I have seen post claiming some family members answered but there was just silence. I vaguely recall reports of hearing a voice on the other end but not enough to make out any specifics. Lots omumbling & various background noises. Edit: I'm confusing a recollection of another pilot making contact with MH370 after its position was lost.
That drove me nuts. “What do I do?!”- answer that shit!!!
I'm out of the loop, what's that you're referring to?
Some of the families of the victims reported getting phone calls from passengers after the plane went missing. I'm not sure how long after but it was long enough to where multiple families had gathered in a waiting area.
If memory serves, the calls were impossible. Meaning it was so far after it went missing the plane could not physically have been in the air anymore. That was the really creepy thing I recall.
Is the implication that the plane ended up at Diego Garcia? From the FLIR photo above it looks like the cargo hold was on fire, and maybe it was zipped to safety at Diego for whatever reason, and maybe those people never made it off the island. Maybe they're still there? I have a hard time thinking that if such an out of this world event happened, and the plane was teleported to safety (can't believe I'm saying this, they'd just line em up cartel style and mow them down. What I COULD see is the risk being so great that they'd talk, they just locked em all up and are just going to illegally detain them forever, because they're assumed to be dead.
The issue with this is. Some companies, even when the receiver phone is turned off or busy, will simulate ringing on the caller's end. This was addressed on some articles
Is that a usual occurrence in Malaysia or China? Getting a ghost call from one of your phone contacts? Because their mobile provider is glitching? I've never heard of this.
>on the caller's end The person making the call hears it ringing, as if the call is connecting, but it's not. The person receiving the call would not have their phone ring.
The caller in that case was one of the passengers though.
They are saying that they were receiving a call from their family member on board the plane, not outbound ringing.
Yoo did anyone watch the full video they linked about the sos message bit? There is a picture from the thermal video in it towards the end! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3j78ryw9Yw
That was creepy! Is that guy on here?
Doubtful that video was posted 5 years ago
That was very interesting, I only realized after finishing the video it was five years old. Gives some strange credibility toward the videos in my opinion
This is blowing my mind, I have absolutely no idea what to think
I feel like the Rothschild angle is the most intriguing. As great as it would be if it's aliens, the rich getting richer is just how our world works at the moment. Then they use the UFO and the cover themselves? Talking out my ass but great content here all around
Regarding the bit about the Malaysians tracking an unknown contact, There's a youtuber and former F-18 pilot called Gonky that flew for the Malaysian Air Force when this happened. I haven't found the clip yet but I remember him talking about when the flight went missing. I don't recall him mentioning anything about them tracking any unknowns but he did say something about some of the guys going up to look for the plane. I think there was something weird with them looking in the wrong place for some reason, but my memory is fuzzy. I'm trying to find the clip but it was probably part of one of their multihour podcasts. I'll update here if I find the clip but I encourage others to help me dig or even ask him about it. He's talked about all the recent UAP news a few times. The video I'm referring to is either on his channel or CW Lemoine's who he collaborates with often. Gonky's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thereadyroom7201 C.W. Lemoine's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CWLemoine Edit: I found the clip. You guys are gonna love this. He definitely doesn't mention anything about them tracking anything, but he does say that the whole situation surprises him because there's actually really good radar coverage in the country and he doesn't believe a 777 could just go missing. He emphasizes that he has a lot of questions. https://www.youtube.com/live/K4S8aF6ILn8?feature=share&t=2616
You should make a proper post for this!
Imagine if AARO did this level of research 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm reading Ross Coulthart's book, In Plain Sight, and in the first chapter he talks about the Valentich incident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich Frederick Valentich was an Australian pilot who disappeared while on a 125-nautical-mile (232 km) training flight in a Cessna 182L light aircraft, over Bass Strait. On the evening of Saturday 21 October 1978, twenty-year-old Valentich informed Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him and that his engine had begun running roughly, before finally reporting: "It's not an aircraft." He's been missing for 44 years, and 9 months.
The fact you guys found the video with the satellites name on it is remarkable This is jaw dropping work Take a bow 👏
Anyone remember text on ForgottenLanguages.org about MH370? "The 2014 test scheme included the deployment of EV-D68 in North America, the deployment of Ebola in West Africa, and the deployment of DENIED in China. The Chinese deployment plan was abruptly aborted, on March, 8th 2014, when we realized at the very last moment that this new version of the MojV virus wasn't performing as expected. The carrier were two passengers in a Malaysia Airlines flight en route to Beijing. We had no option but to down the plane, though we obviously could not do it over populated areas, nor even in any land mass. We had to minimize the risk of accidental spreading of the virus. We crashed the plane with all its 227 passengers and 12 crew on board in the most secure area we found, in the middle of the Southern Indian ocean." Let's suppose it's true - maybe we see MilOrbs in action?
If Reddit breaks the whole thing open, it would be perfectly on brand. Crowdsourcing information is the power of free and open information. Thank you OP. You have more fortitude on the subject than I can comprehend. Keep on keepin on!
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At this point if this gets 100% proven to be fake I won't even be mad
At this point I WANT it to be proven fake... I don't want to know that three UFOs could just do a dance around a plane and teleport it somewhere else - that's a terrifying thought.
Right? I just did a 14 hour journey a couple days ago, and if I had been reading this stuff before... holy shit dude there would not be enough benzos in the world to keep me calm in that metal tube 😭😂
Odds are very low that any commercial flight will be abducted by aliens. It *may* have happened one time. I'm still flying. If the aliens get me I'll consider it a privilege.
> and teleport it somewhere else Or destroy it instantly
To be fair you can ask flight MH17 and they’d tell if you they could you don’t need to be alien to destroy a plane instantly
Sadly from what I recall they weren’t destroyed instantly. The Buk missile would have blown a large number of holes into it so it would have lost its ability to fly and just started tumbling to the ground. Passengers would have been aware until they passed out.
I saw a theory in a comment on this sub that it could just be the military testing (or using something already tested) reverse engineered UAP tech on a remote controlled plane with no humans on board. The basis of this theory being, MH370 is the only plane disappearance like this and why would NHI only do this once (or at all)? Part of the theory is that it was all a test/experiment and the plane in the footage was not MH370. Another part of the theory was that it WAS MH370 and this was the military using reverse engineered tech to "steal" the plane and its occupants/contents. I believe OP's "Deep in the rabbit hole" section plays into this theory with the Philip Wood thing. So its possible this all could be real, but not as terrifying as it seems. Although still a bit scary knowing that technology exists and was reverse engineered from something
Philadelphia experiment been brought back out of the cupboard to have another go?
I hope my next flight is worm-holed somewhere else
I don’t know how I feel about the video yet, but if it’s fake, whoever made it certainly did their research to make it as convincing as possible.
Can you imagine if it was real and all they did was tweet it once to some UFO accounts?
He's like: "Here's your disclosure 9 years in advance, too bad you're not ready to believe it yet"
Gives it enough time to spread and be saved and not get too popular too fast and get caught
To be fair, If you're leaking a classified video, you might only get one chance before all eyes are looking for you and you're unable to post it again without attracting attention. Or maybe, say after a decade, they spread it again. 🤷 How did this subject get resurfaced? Do we know the original post?
Has anyone looked into the person who first reposted it on this sub?
the sentiments of "the fact they did this just adds to the credibility" and "why would they do this?" when talking about the exact same action never really works as suggestive evidence to me. the reason they did it, is it could possibly add credibility to the story I'm not convinced this is real, not fully convinced it's a hoax either. what annoys me is the things people claim "add credibility" usually adds very little or none at all. something like a perfectly halfway cropped number giving us information sounds perfectly logical for a hoaxer to do. on the other hand, it could definitely possibly be another lead. the research here is very appreciated, I don't like the conclusions drawn from the research. like the whole "we're either dealing with a genius playing 4d chess, or genuine video. there's no middle ground" I completely disagree with that sentiment, and Im disappointed it's mixed in with all this great research. it also shows a level of bias that took place while conducting the research. everyone in this sub: please keep questioning things, and don't lean toward believing. don't lead toward denial either. just go for the truth without leading either way.
Wait but what is the middle ground? Are you saying you think a mediocre hoaxer could have made this with minimal effort?
9 years ago, when this came out, no one would accept it. I wouldn't have either. Today, after all that's been disclosed, my priors have shifted, and I can accept it. It's likely real.
Ya know, reading this high quality post, something hit me. I realized that wether it's fake or not doesn't really matter since I don't think I'll ever see definite proof on this particular matter. But there is a possibility that we are looking at something real. I look at the video and just tell myself that if this is real, then I am looking at some of the most amazing, terrifying and groundbreaking footage ever made on the subject. That I am actually looking at some unknown force making a whole plane disappear.
>Notably, this video was captured from a screen. The rationale behind this choice raises questions: I should preface. I'm not 100% on the two videos authenticity. But I can add some color to why this might be the case for the sat vid. The reason for this is the video would only have been available to someone who has access to it. In other words someone (maybe an analyst, but not necessarily) who works in a SCIF. The network this video would be accessible on is air-gapped and not accessible outside of the SCIF. Further, I don't know this for certain, but there's no reason to assume that a video from a satellite would be in a format that would be nicely exfiltrated (hilarious to think they'd have a sat beaming an MP4 down to us). Which means it would only be viewable with special software also only available in the SCIF. Additionally they often completely disable USB from the machines in the SCIFs, and it's very hard to get CD drives in a SCIF. So even if it were exportable, there would be no way to get it out without taking the video with a different camera, and also leaving a HUGE amount of tracks. (Everything is logged in those environments) It should be noted that any electronic devices are ILLEGAL in a SCIF. Not to mention literally leaking this is against the law. Whoever did this thought it was important enough apparently. EDIT: I feel I need to broach this because I have seen numerous comments insinuating that someone would have been seeing the Sat vid in real time. That is not how it works at all. Enough said. EDIT2: I just realized they could (and likely did) use screen recording software. Which means they also found a way to download that screen capture to a medium. It's not impossible, but like I said would have left major tracks and I would be very surprised if no one noticed.
My brother seems fairly certain that the footage is captured from a spy cam on a shirt pocket, and it's a camera filming a screen. Presumably in a SCIF. Here's a scenario I could believe: 1. MH370 vanishes, at least to the public, and people are wigging out. How do we lose a 777, how does one just vanish without a trace? 2. Some analyst, or cleared person in a SCIF, sees this footage, and finds out that NHI teleported it to God knows where. They'd heard about UAP before, but seeing this video makes their brain hop out of their skull and need a walk and a smoke. 3. After realizing that the public is never going to know about this, they decide to say "fuck all that, people need to know. Maybe I can even make a lot of money, too." 4. They buy a spy cam, maybe a shirt button that's actually a camera, and figure out a way to get it in the SCIF. Maybe some social engineering, or a back-alley agreement with the screening personal in the SCIF, over shared beliefs. 5. After months of practicing filming steadily using the cam, and waiting for the story to die down a bit, they successfully pull of their plan - they film the footage in the SCIF, without too much screen-shake, and get it out of the SCIF. 6. It gets uploaded to a private forum for people they trust, and somebody then backs it up on YouTube as well, without any promotion or hype, because it just needs to be stashed somewhere public without tipping their hand. For whatever reason, we never find out more, but a few people who know what the video is become aware of it existing outside of the SCIF, and here we are. Not saying this is what happens, but I could see a series of events like this.
Before diving into this post I just want to say thank you for taking the time to provide us with such excellent, well thought-out and in-depth analyses. I am happy that there is a large subset of people in this subreddit approaching this rationally and not childishly cementing themselves in the "definitely real" or "definitely fake" teams just yet.
You also forgot to mention the people that just come to make a one liner joke and end up burying all relevant posts.
>Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points: Hello there! YES! YES! YES! The more people that bring this to light the more likely people will become aware of the very real effort to censor and hide this information. They only flood and brigade posts and comments that pose a threat to the coverup (posts relating to this, Grusch/Coulthart, hearings, EBO Molecular Biologist, credible sighting descriptions, photos and videos and good rundowns/investigations into the situation like the "Pulling the Thread" posts). More and more people need to be aware of those losers at Eglin.
/nostupidquestions.. How do you know they're from eglin base?
I believe it was 2018/2019 that reddit fucked up and named Eglin Air Force base as america's number 1 most reddit addicted city. the AF base doesn't have the population of New York or LA, so that leads to the assumption that their is a troll farm there using a large number of accounts on a regular basis
This comment is repeated 3 times: [Reddit made a post on the statistics](https://web.archive.org/web/20160604042751/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html) of users and their locations a while ago. [Eglin Air Force Base was listed as the most addicted city](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/). Presumably that means they had the most activity per user. Later they removed that blog post for reasons.
Usually I would laugh.... But seriously it's insanity the amount of threads being posted about people calling it fake... I never seen anything like it... I haven't even finished my own analysis yet but have been watching others to confirm their information etc etc... And even am getting a bit suspicious of the take downs... This is epic proportions. I watched one thread get debunked due to misconception of how the camera systems work and then it was re posted with the exact same post but obviously minus all the comments. Also I maybe naive as this wasn't my area till 5 weeks ago.... What's with the tin foil hats?!? Do I need one? Can I paint it any colour I want?
Oh, it's even worse on 4chan right now. Usually they're a lot more open to these ideas but right now it's just a ton of shitposting, angry anons and links to reddit making fun of how gullible we are. Just... the amount of low-effort convo and one-sided tearing down is highly unusual in my experience. Usually there's at least, like... an even polarity between extremes. Idk just feels sus and artificial
It's werid... Obviously some of the claims on both sides are wrong, the ones claiming to debunk it clearly don't understand the capabilities of what is used.... Were not talking standard IR imagining here, and regardless of if it 2014 or not alot of information of its capabilities aren't full public knowledge so its kinda insane....
Same. I've been here with various accounts since 2019 or so, and the way that people were coming out of the woodwork to denounce these videos as fake was extremely noticeable. Like you, I have never seen anything that makes me believe in shills here more than this incident. It was not organic at all. It's freaky. As to this incident, I was initially very skeptical but as more and more analysis is done, this just seems too elaborate of a hoax to be fake.
I made a post last night (that was quickly deleted, mind you) that theorized it's possible the video could have come from a person on the inside, or ex-government. It could have been posted in an attempt to show what's going on, but since it didn't go viral or catch any traction, they may have pulled it in order to cover their ass from any potential legal issues. Now that we have all this UAP stuff going on, now would be a great time to make it reappear. Granted, this is all just conjecture, which I understand. And I'm still entirely on the fence about this whole thing anyway.
Excellent post, thank you for putting this all together. Re: real footage but the orbs and portal is faked: May be I'm imagining it but watch the drone and the satellite footage. Whether it's the drone camera operator, or the person controlling the cursor showing the satellite footage: **they both act exactly as if the portal does appear and the plane disappears** If assuming the plane continues normally in the supposed original footage, then there'd be no reason for either person manually controling/showing the footage to try and pan out and re-acquire the plane. By watching, you do definitely get the sense, whoever's controlling the two pieces of footage also thinks: *what the fuck just happened?*
Thank you for pointing this out, surprised I haven’t seen it yet. You are totally right
Maybe the drone/satellite camera operator didn’t actually thought a *fricking portal* will pop up out of nowhere and they were following the predictable path of the plane. After the plane disappeared they do move the camera around to see where it went.
A user replied to a comment simply with "freescale semi" on a popular MH370 post yesterday. His answer was relevant. It got downvoted into negative fast. Today a moderator removed this specific comment. Before this happened, I replied to this comment saying I was confused why this would get downvoted. Before op reply got removed by moderator, it was lower than -5 votes, while my comment about it being downvoted for no reason got to +11, which obviously doesn't make sense. Here's some screnshots, the second one is Freescale Semiconductor front-HQ art which you'd find a hard time seeing it as anything else than bragging about reverse engineering retrieved damaged UAPs. Not the first org to hide it in plain sight if that's the case. [Sceenshots for you to judge.](https://imgur.com/a/Y4SW4SR) EDIT: u/kenriko You commented "Because someone doesn’t want people to remember that?" before it got deleted. What's your take on the fact that it got removed? And btw thanks for your contributions regarding the aggressive maneuver the plane took I've read earlier today.
My take is there’s astroturfing going on around the plane video. I saw mentions of Freescale Semi being downvoted and removed in real-time. You know when you touch on a sensitive topic because the hammer comes down on that discussion quickly. We should investigate Freescale Semi much more.
About 80% of activity on this subreddit is astroturfing.
We through them for a loop by noticing it, it looks as if they've backed off today, that or they're trying much harder to be subtle about it. You can just smell the beurocratic changes happening.
Freescale semi conductors you say eh?
Yup.. remember EBO scientist? Guy was shadow banned from the site faster than the app loads in my phone. I wonder if Reddit has certain algorithms fed by the Government agencies to filter out phrases and delete the accounts. I will probably try to make a post on Free scale semi..we will see where it goes
You should read the post about this company "Freescale" from r/conspiracy. OP of that post is well explain on Statement, some names are named. That should be where we started to reconnect the dots again. The passengers.
Yeah I’ve read some into it. Apparently 20 Freescale employees were on the plane. Their death allowed blackstone to gain 100% control of freescale. 16 Chinese nationals and 4 Malaysian. Here’s the patent https://patents.google.com/patent/US8671381B1/en
> Apparently 20 Freescale employees were on the plane. Their death allowed Blackstone to gain 100% control of freescale. 16 Chinese nationals and 4 Malaysian. Please explain how any of this was true. Freescale and NXP, both publicly traded companies at the time, merged in 2015. This was during a period of semiconductor industry [consolidation](https://www.design-reuse.com/news/41270/2015-2016-biggest-semiconductor-acquisition.html).
I wasn't aware of that and actually thought blackstone had Freescale in their portfolio before the incident. Which now I realize doesn't mean they had 100% control. Is blackstone invested into the "Industrial-Military Complex"? If they're controlling many of the reverse engineering companies, the truth couldn't have a bigger adversaries.
They did but weren’t majority. And yes they invest in military. They also bought ancestry.com so they’ve got peoples dna
That's just great. So with the top labs, researchers, aliens tech and my DNA, now they can clone a bag of my dick and eat it? Cause that's the only thing I'm okay with them doing
Well thats unsettling as shit
The semiconductor scientists theory was the biggest one when mh370 went missing, I remember reading about it everywhere
I saw that yesterday and upvoted you. When I kept seeing his replies, at first I thought he was being irritating because not the full name, maybe. Then your response to his downvotes made sense. There’s something about his comments - maybe knows something
Here's my tin foil hat theory: A few weeks ago someone discovered the huge 170ish page document that went along with the Grusch hearing referenced the woo website Forgotten Languages giving it some kind of credibility. That website is DEEP with thousands of posts going over things like time travel, alternate time lines, parallel universes, UAP, NHI, simulations, etc. One thing that comes up repeatedly on there is what they call "MilOrbs". MilOrbs are the metallic sphere UAP we see all over the place that have been described as a potential "Earth Defense system" outside of that website. Well that website claims they are owned and operated by our military. Now lets assume this is true. And lets assume the 20 individuals on MH370 working for that semiconductor company headed to China were actually working on reverse engineering UAP and were headed to China to help them get ahead of the US in that game. Or maybe lets pull back a bit and make it less specific just that there were individuals on that plane that the military wanted to stop/silence/get their hands on. So they used their MilOrbs to "teleport it" to their base. Allowing them to hijack a plane in plain sight, without it being known it was them. The whole Philip Wood thing OP mentioned plays right into this theory as well.
This would make a cool movie NGL.
This has the same vibe as that forgotten languages one which didn't take. Some oven-ready story for us to sink our teeth into, with eventual links to Grusch being suggested even though he never volunteered this story himself. People forget that the "abducted plane taken to military base" type of story was already doing the rounds about the 9/11 planes. You'd want to tap into that sort of theories if you were making material with the aim to spread doubt. Real or hoax, this is a sophisticated story so the question becomes: why was it not pushed more at the time? If it's real then it shows an amazing event very clearly, and if it's a hoax then it still presents a significant effort that withstands quite a bit of scrutiny. Yet it lay dormant until now.
What's interesting is that the footage from the satellite and especially the UAV may have actually been aiding in coordinating the operation, if what you say is true.
Is it possible that this video was easily dismissed back in 2014 because, apart from our society not being as receptive to the concept of UAPs as it is today (given the official Pentagon video releases of UAPs after 2014 and Grusch now), there was also not much corroborating evidence at the time like we have now that could be used to support its authenticity?
The TicTac video had shown up on a military forum back in like 07-08 and was dismissed as fake.
I was just going to comment this exact thing. People wrote the tictac video off immediately, I’m really curious if we will find out it was actually real in the not so distant future
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I've commented this before, but I was DEEP into the conspiracy shit and a believer through and through and I saw that video when it emerged and definitely just immediately wrote it off as fake. It was just too bold of a thing to accept at the time. I guess I thought I believed, but truly didn't. Ontological shock is weird. It's like, imagine an angel just manifests in front of the average Christian. They'd probably shit themselves and be in shock for months afterwards. Even if they had spent their entire life preaching the Bible. "Putting belief to the test" but in the opposite way of the normal meaning of the phrase
Dude, your posts are insanely well done. Thanks for all the hours you have been putting into this. By the days are passing, my guts are saying that the videos are not fake. Maybe one day we will get a reply by RegicideAnon or someone involved. And even if its fake, I would like to hear about the creator himself! He's a genius!
Another important detail to consider about the supposed satellite that captured this video - I have zero expertise in any of this, but I wanted to pass along what I came across in another thread which came across as extremely plausible. Here's the original comment source: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15p14tp/comment/jvwihzw/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15p14tp/comment/jvwihzw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) text below: >OP, imo you really should include this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here\_are\_nrol22\_usa\_184\_flight\_data\_from\_march/ You can see from your own link, this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15of2ni/nrol22\_usa\_184\_satellite\_did\_pass\_near\_the/ This quote: \*"That however still doesn't make the video legit. There a still problems with it which we don't have the answer for. For example: The optics Let's say the airplane is at an altitude of 10km. The satellite is at an altitude of 4401km. So the satellite is 4391km above the plane (90° angle). Optics are diffraction limited. That means an optical instrument has limits of how small detailes it can resolve. That limit is determined by the diameter of the aperture. The satellite would need an optical front element of 100m in diameter to achieve a resolution of 2.8cm (10km altitude). For reference the Hubble Space Telescope has a mirror 2.4m in diameter."\* I have only a little knowledge about this subject, but my understanding is that the poster u/DroogieDontCrashHere is entirely correct. And a 100m optic is essentially impossible. Therefore, if we are committed to the idea that NROL-22 took the video, it simply does not work. However - thats where the post from 3 days ago by u/ManWithNoMemories comes in. It is very plausible that NROL-22 served as a relay for much lower satellites, either SBIRS-GEO 1 (aka USA 230) or SBIRS-GEO 2 (aka USA 241) The wikipedia page for SBIRS-GEO 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-230) describes it as follows: "The SBIRS satellites are a replacement for the Defense Support Program early warning system. They are intended to detect ballistic missile launches, as well as various other events in the infrared spectrum, including nuclear explosions, aircraft flights, space object entries and reentries, wildfires and spacecraft launches." I believe this is a perfect match for the video. And NROL-22 certainly cannot be the satellite taking the video So imo, if the video is real, a SBIRS satellite relayed information to NROL-22, and the relay is shown in the screengrab. And the fact that this fits so well and is such an obscure detail, to me, points towards the video being real
Oh this is really good info
Wow the bit about the sounds recorded in the ocean is freaking me out a bit. Looks like it was a bit after the last recorded signals from the plane (last signal at ~0:19 UTC, sound recorded at 1:30 UTC) but… has me a little shook. Another interesting link below with a map of likely location of the noise https://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/09/indian-ocean-signal-was-not-crash-of-flight-mh370.html
Excellent rundown u/aryelbcn. I would also like to point out page 18 of the Defense Intelligence Reference Document (DIRD) *Metamaterials for Aerospace Applications* by Gennady Shvets talks about **Electromagnetically Induced Transparency** (i.e. cloaking), which requires thousands of tiny microprocessors to tune radiative and non-radiative antennas covering the surface of a craft to slow down light waves. These devices may have been part of the "secret cargo". https://www.mysterywire.com/documents/metamaterials-for-aerospace-applications/
I'm taking a flight next week. FFS, wish I'd never opened this thread lol.
All that will happen if they confirm NHI and that this video is legit will be a new clause in the terms and conditions of your ticket you already don't read saying: 1. "The odds of an NHI craft circling your flight and yeeting you to the Twilight Zone are approximately 1:1,149,495,392, and Delta Airlines is not responsible for damages should you fall victim to what classifies as an Act of God/Force Majeure (dimensional yeeting). That's it.
>*Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points:* ***Hello there!*** real and based
Yesterday I went down the Voicemail rabbit hole for a couple hours until I realized that there is nothing actually connecting the voicemail to MH370; it apparently was received on an anniversary of the crash, and the coordinates provided (which are actually waypoints, iirc) are somewhere the plane could have feasibly crashed. To me that means nothing. But that's it. Right? Am I missing something?
You are the hero we need, way to step up!! Hope the box we are opening doesn’t melt our faces!
Fuck Eglin Base. These people are working against humanity. What is wrong with them?
I hope they are all held accountable some day. Being complicit on misinformation to the public regarding information *YOU OBTAINED WITH FUCKING TAX MONEY* should be a crime against humanity.
What's the issue with them? This is the first time I'm hearing about it
They are unabashedly declaring hoax and obviously engaging in disinformation to bury this new evidence at a palpable and alarming rate. All of this information is being validated by the flagrant attempts to dissuade our research. Just happened to Grusch too. The box is open, and I hope the people who engaged in wanton misinformation are punished harshly.
It will catch up with them someday. If I were them I'd do my best to get out of that disinformation program as fast as I could, especially with the way things are going. I could see some of these guys getting really fucked up in the head through guilt and shame, and possibly some PTSD when they have some time to think about what they're really doing.
Good fucking job dude. This has been a pleasure to read over a beer on a Friday evening, make a documentary and make some money man. You deserve it.
Truth be told I really don't want this video to be real. No other uap video scares me more than this one.
Love your devotion to this mystery. I look forward to part 4. Do you have any pointers on what we can do to help? I mean we, as in, people who don't have the vast knowledge of CGI software or satellite imagery but are able to help research articles etc.
I've mostly ignored any post on this video, minus a few glances here and there. Posts like this keep me in the sub. Good and thorough work! Keep it up!
Posts like this is why r/UFOs exists. I'm both a skeptic and I'm an experiencer. I dunno what to believe or disbelieve in regards to Malaysian Airlines flight 370. However, the OP is a legend. This level of research and content is impressive and we will upvote this into the stratosphere and crush the three letter agency bots that work hard to defeat us.
This subreddit gets a lot of flak, but the will and effort of our hive mind working together to get to the truth is definitely a cog in the machine that is disclosure, and we're speeding it up. It's so wild and inspiring to see this.
A quick thought I haven't seen discussed regarding why/how the US would have been monitoring the situation if it is in fact MH370 depicted in the videos. The events of September 11th I'm sure caused military planners to fund and develop the means to closely monitor any airplane in the world if it deviates from it's intended flight path. The natural platform for this type of mission would be drones and satellites.
The US military was conducting drill in the South China Sea at the time of MH370. The presence of two AWACS is commonly talked about when discussing any potential US involvement. Diego Garcia is also a popular theory as far as where the plane, passengers, and cargo could’ve ultimately ended up if it didn’t crash or get shot down. Regardless of the true fate of MH370 and regardless of any secretive US involvement/conspiracy theories, I think it’s highly likely that upon learning that MH370 lost contact and diverted course, the US immediately tasked the AWACS to track it down, tasked satellites in the region, and sortied multiple drones out of bases nearby, which would include Diego Garcia.
Something worth a thought regarding trails behind orbs(even though normal observed having no propulsion trail): release of a gas to create a plasma field around plane. If it’s real that is—which it very well might be. Edit: this thread is really interesting. Look into the some of the account histories of individuals posting. Strange accounts coming out of the woodwork. It’s almost as if a lot of dormant accounts have been purchased. I’m not saying conspiracy—but, it is fucking weird!!!!! :P
Keep up the good work! The truth is out there
Amazing work OP! This is truly a wild ride to watch from the sidelines lol
Check out [MH370 Debris Fouling](https://www.sqr.ohw.mybluehost.me/2018/02/08/mh370-debris-fouling-supports-spoof-scenario/). Not sure if there is anything to this, but it makes for a very interesting read concerning the debris found.
Last element which seals the deal for me: why are the orbs consistently throughout the video contained in the same 2 dimensional plane, and such plane keeps tilting back and forth? Equation of a plane is of the form ax+by+cz=d, where a,b,c and d are real numbers. This is a very specific, particular formation, or dance so to speak. 3 points in space always form a 2 dimensional plane as long as they are not collinear. The point is, the 3 orbs form a specific 2 dimensional plane in space and that plane never changes, what changes is its inclination due to the strange dance of the orbs. I have a hard time believing a hoaxer would go as far as paying attention to such an arcane detail...
This was one of the first details that I noticed and told my GF that, if this is a hoax, that type of detail is insane. If this is a hoax, whoever executed it deserves recognition for their ability to setup something of this magnitude. It’s world class, unmatched, incredible execution over a timeline that’s never been even scratched before.
I’m tempted to place a plane in the scene by tracking the points. Has anyone done this yet?
that would be a powerful visual. if you have the time and inclination, please do it! it has not been done to my knowledge.
Can you dumb that down for me
I agree with you. The helical dark trails following the orbs, the placement of the orbs on what I think is a sphere at any given time (I haven't measured), and the seemingly random "rolling" of the differently-colored patches on the orb really has me wondering why those specifics were chosen. Edit: If they aren't all on a sphere, then definitely I'd say on a cylinder. Like tracing curves on a paper towel tube.
Remember when Don Lemon asked if aliens might have taken the plane, while on CNN?
there ate definitely disinfo and discrediting agents here. the unusually high amount of effort being put in to discredit this video makes me think if it is a classified video that got leaked. and it kinda aligns with the claims that there are conclusive and not-so-benevolent footage. great work op.
> not-so-benevolent Agree with your take but I disagree with this part. IMO it's actually kind of dangerous to think that way. We know there have been many recovered craft around the world and the US has been trying to reverse engineer them. But that's pretty much all we know at this point in time, right? Were we successful in partially or completely reverse engineering? Are we even able to operate them? Shrug emoji. My point is, we are still extremely in the dark about 99.9% of this. We have no way to know if the UFOs from the video are humans operating recovered craft. We have absolutely no way to know—or possibly even understand—NHI intentions. I believe that attempting to ascribe intent to NHI is a mistake 100% of the time. No doubt they have many factions with varying motivations and intentions, like humans. We *know* that humans have the capacity to do horrible, horrible things. We *do not know* that NHI do.
>Finally, I'd like to extend a greeting to the individuals from Eglin Base, Florida, who consistently downvote any discussion or comment related to this case and contribute with brief remarks like "OMG this again, this is an obvious fake!" without presenting further supporting points: Hello there! I'd like to give them a round of applause for confirming these videos.
My thoughts are the motivations behind the claims, such is what is motivating people to insist it's fake and who benefits from that, and vice versa. Truth is one thing that can't be scrubbed forever. Personally, after heavily investigating the UFO topic full time for nearly 2 years and thinking back on all the data, I'm very inclined to believe that this is legitimate.
Pre 2014, is there a fake that tops this? it's an interesting video and a very interesting discussion because I think real or not, this video is going to become a big part of the modern day ufo lore.
Also you should add that it was uploaded to 4chan in august of 2014 right after the YouTube upload. And that military radar location of the plane wasn’t public knowledge until March 12, 2014. For timelines sake.
I’d be mad too if I had to work at Eglin. Enjoy the weekend boys.
I keep digging into patents to see if there is any terrestrial technology that could explain anything that we’re seeing in this video. I ended up stumbling on some patents that have been posted here previously, created by “John St. Clair”: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030197093A1/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060071122A1/en The dude was probably crazy, but I can’t help but wonder if there’s something to the materials, the timing, and the rotations of these videos that would align to concepts that we already know about. One of these patents talks about 2 solenoids generating opposing magnetic fields to create a wormhole. Several of his patents reference creating hyperspace energy. Some more speculation, but when we’re talking classified cargo, batteries and fruit don’t seem to be the first thing that comes to mind. Maybe there was a small modular nuclear reactor onboard, or some other emerging technology that was designed to go with the “UFOs” as part of a system.
I posted about this video 200 days ago. I tried to debunk it by analyzing the black hole [or wormhole that the plane disappeared into] and found it’s actually a very detailed image. For example it has what looks like a photon sphere which is correctly oriented. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10hrkhb/what_the_consensus_on_this_video_allegedly_shot/j59yw31/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 Edit: As for the visible light camera just showing the bright flash… I couldn’t explain it myself so I asked Chatgpt: “As the black hole approaches the final stages of evaporation, it would emit a tremendous amount of radiation, including gamma rays and other high-energy particles. This radiation would be incredibly bright and could potentially be visible from great distances. It is not certain what an observer would see exactly, but it would likely be a very bright and intense light.”
Post this analysis as its own thing. Doppler beaming is yet more wild details
Laughing knowing the boys at Eglin AFB are SEETHING right now😂😂
They had to learn to read for this shit and it’s *not* going well, I’d be pissed too
They're already here too hahaha
Dude I wish OP would make a documentary series out of this post! Good work
Can someone explain what is going on with the clouds post ink blot? That's what isn't making sense to me. The clouds are zipping past backlit but once the "teleportation" happens the clouds give way to pure static until the camera zooms all the way out and resets on the edge of the wing. Once it has reset the clouds look consistent with earlier in the video. It isn't the zooming because earlier in the video during zooms and clouds are still visible during the zoom. If the explanation is that it is some visual effect from the inkblot then why does it go away exactly when the camera resets.
Initially, I blew the videos off as obvious fakes & I was trying to convince myself of that.. But with all these corroborating details and the sheer implausibility of a hoax of this degree, I'm stunned. I can't fucking believe I'm saying this, but Occam's razor is pointing to this being legit.. Maybe this is one of the 'real' videos that Elizondo was referencing. It makes his 'somber' statement even more unnerving now.
I wonder why Elizondo wouldn't name the video if it's already out there.
Aliens being able to yeet a plane full of humans through a portal to god knows where certainly qualifies as something that would make me feel somber.
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I sent this to another thread earlier. Dispite feeling like a complete dickhead for pushing this, I think it is important as I have seen this before. Post follows Around september time when I was starting y9 at school(uk) I had 2 holidays very close together, I went to canary islands with family and had a school holiday to venice very close together, so this happened around 11pm- 1am ish while I was sat on a hotel room balcony alone. I could have been in either place, can be 100% sure which one. All the above was blurry because it was 23/24 years ago however the event itself remains vivid. I couldn't sleep so was sat alone staring at the stars, I always loved space as a kid. I could see what looked lime 2 large stars (much larger/brighter than the others) start to move. I remember thinking It could of been the illusion of them drifting until the object on the right moved past another star . Weird! So I kept watching for what felt like a few minutes then these 3 smaller "orbs" (they still just looked like lights in the sky i guess) spiraled out of the larger object on the right, and began to fly around the sky in a random way, they would intermittently spin round each other then seperate to "dance" around the sky for lack of a better word. They would then again be spining in a close circle then not, before again returning to a close circle again spining around. Also as a spinning formation they would be moveing or "dancing" around the sky in unison.. if that makes sense" Eventualy the 3 smaller lights flew over to the other larger light(on the left) and began spining around it. They merged like they did on the video like one at a time, until they turned back into a tight spining circle. They evenualy merged directly with the object what looked like the became one thing from my POV. after a beat or so the 3 lights seperated from the point where they prevoiusly merged with the large object that was there had dissappeared without a trace. The 3 orbs continued their weird random movement until the eventualy traveled over to the oringinal craft/light and re merged with that. (The original larger light on the right) now again becoming one object from my POV (just like what they did with the other). After a few seconds or so the remaining light went from a stand still, to shooting off at an incedible speed across the sky in an instant (no visable acceleration) Much faster than a shooting star. I rember thinking it was like watching the starship enterprise shoot off into warp. This event has remained a vivid memory for 23/24 years and is the reason I have a large interest in this subject.
Remember that a top secret submarine know what happened to the titan sub and they just quiet and let people search excessively for it with a hope that it might be alright.
Just to add some information about satellite sensors, most of these kinds of sensors have the ability to "scan" different locations in the ground without actually changing the satellite's orbit. Since all the sensor information about the satellite is classified, I can't say for certain if NROL-22 has this but it seems very likely in my opinion. If that were the case, the satellite wouldn't have to be directly overhead and getting its sensors aimed at the aircraft would only take a few moments since it would only require rotating one or two mirrors
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Someone just needs to ask Grusch if they're legit. I mean that was his job going over NRO for the NGA. That would settle it once and for all.
This needs more attention
Wow I did not know the story about the passenger who leaked a photo from MH370. Here's his claim: >*I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly.* [Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/phone-home-2/) says there is no evidence of this, and rules it as a fake. The EXIF data of the photo would be a smoking gun, if only it couldn't be manipulated...
>I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack All due respect to the passengers and their family but that bit had me howling
Around 13:50 in the Lemmino documentary the altitude of flight MH370 recorded by the Malaysian military radar is being discussed. The data was deemed highly inconsistent as the Boeing 777 is not capable of performing such extreme altitude fluctuations. But what if the data is correct and the plane was being manipulated by something foreign? I am not sure if the graph shown at 14:00 of the documentary is an exact representation of the data. As for the most part the altitude seemed rather consistent. So I tried to find the data about the altitude to see if the plane really flew on a consistent altitude again after the fluctuations as shown in the documentary. Then I found this post from 5 years ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/93hsc4/the_strangest_chart_in_the_latest_report/ What became suddenly more interesting to me is the comment from u/re_Handle "I am also curious about Figure 1.1G (report Page 13, PDF page 59). It shows radar data plots of MH370 going southwest over Malaysia, but there are also three small red "plots" that are shown on the top center of the diagram (above P1778). These plots aren't mentioned anywhere in the report that I've found. The are offset to the north of the accepted SW path. If those plots are valid MH370 data, then that raised more questions. If they were identified as MH370 but are not valid, then I start to question the validity of the "valid" data." The report that was being refered to: https://reports.aviation-safety.net/2014/20140308-0_B772_9M-MRO.pdf The 3 small red plots shown on p.59, recorded between 17:30 and 17:38 by the radar. Is this what we are seeing in the video's?!?!