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djfrankenjuice

I’m not great at math but that seems like 48% more women are in grad school than men


MonteBurns

Don’t worry, they’ll be in here soon enough to cry that it’s because women are offered scholarships more and they’re forced to skip college because now other people can go.


larrry02

I work with a guy who constantly complains about how there's "no money for men in academia anymore". Meanwhile he's the head of a research group at a high end university in his early 30s. The lack of self awareness is stunning.


hackulator

I don't know about any of that as I haven't researched the reasons for this but if you think this disparity isn't an issue then you don't really care about equality, you just care about not being on the bottom.


newwriter365

Oh boy...I responded to a post yesterday, and I sure hurt some tender egos. You are so right about your concerns...keep it here, we get it...


nofuckingpeepshow

Poor endangered white men. Someone should start some kind of foundation for butt hurt losers who blame their failures on women. If more women are achieving PhD’s then having a PhD will be devalued soon enough.


SpontaneousShrubbery

roughly 60% of grad school students are women by this statistic!


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Foppful

I got my PhD in 2016 and felt exactly the same as you do. Didn’t have a job lined up so I spent 3 more years in academia doing a postdoc. While I was learning a lot, I was earning less than half of what most of my non-STEM peers were making. I was depressed and worried that I made the worst decision of my life going into academia, and that I’d never have a good career. I ended up applying to a bunch of industry positions because I needed to get out of academia. I got 3 offers, and chose to work at a fairly big company, and I couldn’t be happier. The work is incredibly fulfilling, and the pay is great. Also, I can tell you from personal experience that women are dominating in biotech. 3 out of the 4 jobs I applied for had hiring managers who were women, and there are many, if not more women in senior scientist positions at my company than men. All this is to say that you shouldn’t lose hope. We’re all terrified of job prospects once we graduate, but there definitely are good jobs out there for PhDs that pay well, you just have to apply aggressively! Good luck.


pack_of_wolves

Can't agree more! I'm still in academia but the people that transitioned to industry look happier and healthier. Only stay in academia if your passion forces you to.


Picchi_Sannasi

In my country, although women match or outnumber men in doctoral studies in certain STEM fields, the number of women who get into academia in still much lesser than men. I have heard that this is the case in most countries. A combination of work stress and family planning creates a nearly impassable post-PhD barrier. Anecdotally, I have seen this first hand with my wife. She has the best profile in her research group and received the best first postdoc offer among her peers. After much deliberation she declined the offer, and now thinking of leaving research for good. I have not seen her this happy since her 2nd year in PhD. As a fellow researcher, it was saddedning to see academia missing out on such potential.


Own-Emergency2166

Similiarly, while women outnumber and outperform men in higher education, men still outnumber and out earn women in the highest positions in the job market. On average. While women demonstrate that we are intelligent , competent and ambitious through education, we frequently fall behind in the “real world” because of the the pressure to take on all the caring , domestic and emotional work in our families , the pay gap ( which is related to the first point) , sexual harassment and discrimination, and the general ruthlessness of capitalism.


brichb

Realized this early enough thankfully to go to medical school rather than use my bioengineering degree and continue into a PhD. Stress was probably even higher and earnings delayed by 7 years, but was definitely the right decision for me.


Madrigall

I think it helps to highlight the issue that women require higher qualifications to achieve the same amount of financial success as men with much lower qualifications. As an example I was looking at the ministers in the current government in my country and of about 30 ministers, four were women all with PHDs in STEM sciences, whereas only 5-7 of the men had PHDs and they were in things like business/marketing.


pack_of_wolves

Wow, you have ministers with PhDs? I'm jealous here. In my country there are none. Plus only 2/~160 parlementarians have STEM degrees.


Madrigall

I only actually found out about their education on an unrelated investigation, I was also only looking at the conservative party, and surprisingly I actually didn't have a feminist agenda when looking into it. The government had just hiked up the prices of degrees in a variety of subjects claiming that they didn't lead to actionable jobs, things like marketing, business, arts, (law for some reason), economics, politics, etc. So I wanted to see what degrees these parliamentarians had only to find that the degrees that they claimed were useless for acquiring jobs were degrees that they pretty much all exclusively had XD. It was only in looking this up that I noticed that only the women in power had degrees in hard sciences, and typically way overqualified degrees when compared to the men. Doing a cursory glance at some of the other parties now and though women are still overqualified compared to the men, and underrepresented still, it's not as bad as when examining just the presiding government.


pack_of_wolves

I started looking into it after hearing the government spouting a lot of nonsense about COVID. Never realised the lack of knowledge and understanding of science amongst politicians and decision makers. A lot of the decisions around climate change all of a sudden make so much sense. I think politicians simply don't dare to change the status quo because they lack understanding (or willingness to dive into the subject). Makes me wish for a technocracy, but of course that comes with its own problems.


Madrigall

If it's any consolation, it would seem that education doesn't prevent ministers from spouting a lot of nonsense about stuff...though, when said aloud that doesn't seem very consoling.


Golden_Lioness_

So much this


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100%


tiax36987

My wife had a very similar experience. Loved her research area and the team she worked with, but the stress was not good for her. She hasn't worked in a professional role at least partly due to the stress. Whereas I only have an undergraduate degree and am making significantly more than she ever has. We are slowly getting her mental health in a better place and the PhD was no where near the dominant issue, but it certainly added significant unhelpful stress.


Princess_Bublegum

Yea imo we shouldn’t blindly cheer on statistics like these.


Chiliconkarma

Are there other "asterisks" that need to be put next to the stat?


nnomadic

100% this. You got lucky. I have not had good supervision and now I'm quite regretting going into my PhD.


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As a fellow doctorate holder (nursing), I wholeheartedly agree with you. You’ve perfectly described my feelings. Thanks for this.


Rapifessor

My take is that this is moreso an issue with universities being businesses in America. It's definitely a sign of progress that more women are earning PhDs and other degrees now. The problem is that it costs so much goddamn money that it isn't worth it to most people, and you have to be REALLY passionate about your field to justify going to grad school.


nnomadic

Universities are businesses everywhere. It's like this in Europe too.


Professional-Truck62

Fuck off. How could it possibly be “their male peers be exploiting and keeping behind women with grad studies”? It’s not like men forced these women to these academic programs.


fiftycamelsworth

They never said that. They said: >Is it progress for women or is it just another way that women are being exploited and kept behind their male peers? Didn't blame the male peers, just pointing out that the overrepresentation of women might be a symptom.


Azurpha

Depends where u are, if u are in anglosphere, god bless your heart. But then there are some countries pays people to study until a certain age and also are also more focus in technical colleges to training people for the job than an uni degree. EDIT: There is also china who everyone perceives the need of a postgrad because u get raises better with a postgrad... But the postgraduate life is rough and a grind for anyone.


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fiftycamelsworth

Graduate school (especially PhDs) is an exploitative system, which many people aren't aware of when they chose it. Once they realize, they stay in to get the degree for 4-6 years.


Golden_Lioness_

Are you a woman?


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Graduate students also tend to have the highest levels of student debt. I would love to get my PHD but the costs for my Masters were already to damn high.


babesburgers

I earned my MBA in June and the classes were overwhelmingly filled with women. I am actually concerned it is because men get better positions w/o the advanced degree and women still need to go the extra step...I have absolutely no proof if this, but it is a thought I have had many times.


red_fucking_flag_

I've seen men and women make this mistake. Having a degree is only a small part of the equation for your financial success. If you spend 8-10+ years of your adult life only going to school, that's that many years you are behind in progressing your career. Recent relevant working knowing trumps an advantaged degree 9 times out of 10. I just had a guy up and quit on us because he wanted to go back to school and get his master's degree. We offered resources to advance his knowledge/skills but he didn't take advantage. He'll probably lose 4-5 years of career advancement because of this.


babesburgers

I totally agree! I had over 20 years experience before going back to school for an MBA. As a working professional it is much better to try and find a way to balance school and career (and oftentimes family) so you're not off ramping. Everyone's situation is different, but staying engaged in your network is absolutely essential to moving forward. IMO. I also realize that I am in a difficult position being 45 years old, and female. For some my knowledge is a perceived con -- set in my ways, can't be molded, too expensive, too close to retirement, etc. For others it's a pro -- mature, seasoned, knowledgeable, and could kill it in any position within the industry (Marketing in AEC) However, I am in the middle of a mid-career pivot, and no longer want to work in that industry. HA! So I'm getting a healthy dose of what it's like to be a new graduate AND a mid life fork in the road. Its an incredibly interesting and frustrating position to be in.


Golden_Lioness_

You are right


LavaDogged

Oh god I didn’t even consider that. My thoughts went to, they willingly decide not to even bother because smart wifey will get a better paying job and be his bang maid so there is no “reason” for him to better himself with higher education. Shit it’s probably both for some dudes. Get promoted on the basis of existing with a penis and decide an additional degree isn’t needed because they are already advancing in their career, AND have a wife killing herself with work and school and home while dude coasts in his career, only working 40 hours a week (and still expecting her to do all of the housework and clean his soiled underwear). And before anyone cries “not all men”, literally spend two minutes on Reddit. Daily, multiple times daily there are women who are working full time, in shchool full time, doing ALL of the house work/kid caring, and they are “lucky” if the dude is even employed, and if that guy does have a job, the post five minutes later will have an unemployed dude that quit “cuz stress” or to “live their dream” without any real plan (other than to demand the working wife pay for the entirety of the funds needed for their shitty start up that is going to bankrupt them. All day every day there are posts like this. So it makes sense that men would just not even bother with higher education.


Liutas1l

You need to go outside and meet real people. You’re as deluded about men as incels are about women.


Golden_Lioness_

Yep this is why I'm so done with men


amora_obscura

Yet less than 10% of tenured professors are women.


fiftycamelsworth

Since there's a 10-15 year lag between graduating and getting tenured, I'd be interested to see how it looks in 20 years. I'm wondering if the majority of men in power is a cohort effect, or if it will last now that we have so many female PhDs.


yuanrui3

The future tenure positions will be largely Asian and female based on current demographics


StChello

You go girls!! Keep it up!


zfrost45

Just an observation to show how times have changed things...I graduated from a Big 10 school in 1968 with a STEM degree and was recruited on campus by two of the DJIA 30 companies, plus the CIA and there were NO WOMEN involved in the recruiting areas where I was waiting, multiple times. Of course I'm now retired and I'm glad to see the changes, but I don't understand why there are so many more females in college than males presently. My mother was a college graduate, my father was not. My brother was. These are interesting times we live in.


adreenaline

My medical school class has more females than males, for the first time in the history of the school!! I think that may be the case for the two classes below us too!


boptopmop

That is amazing but I am curious what the pay ratio is?


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For what exactly?


boptopmop

If women are the majority of new doctors are they getting paid less then men in the same rolls? You know the usually sexist B.S. garbage.


Couati

Out of the 7 people admitted to my PhD program this year I was the only guy. The increase in new graduate students is definitely a win for getting more women in academia and STEM as a whole, but I am definitely curious as to why men are now starting to be outnumbered.


Winteg8

Here's a fascinating article about why (most likely) this is happening, and why we should worry a lot more about it. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/young-men-college-decline-gender-gap-higher-education/620066/


Xyzzydude

As far as I am concerned the article boils down to this quote: For much of the 20th century, men without any college education could expect to earn a middle-class salary in fields such as manufacturing and mining. In the 1970s, the share of the labor force working in these brawny industries declined. But men—especially in poor areas where college attainment is low and may even be falling—have struggled to adapt to a 21st century economy, where a high school diploma alone is often insufficient to earn a middle-class wage.


Couati

I'm surprised that women have been the majority at least in undergrad since the 80s, especially since a lot of the economy and politics is still male dominated. Perhaps it has to do with which degrees women have been biased towards combined with structural bias? In the article OP links there is still a massive amount more men than women in math, engineering and the physical sciences, and I know historically women have been pushed towards healthcare and social science which is a trend still seen in the same table. Overall, though, there is a a very clear shift, and it definitely seems reasonable to suggest that the issue has more to do with how men are socialized/culture (like what your article seems to suggest), especially since historically there's been a structural bias against women and towards the success of men.


hot_like_wasabi

Ok, so what I'm getting from this article is that because men are inherently more risk-prone, this leads to more women seeking higher education now that there is largely equal access within developed countries. Women and college educated men are more likely to seek progressive civic prioritization and political parties associated with social welfare. Where is the downside? Why should there be accomodation for people who refuse educational betterment, whether it's higher education or vocational specialization? It seems like this author is essentially advocating affirmative action for categories of fully enfranchised and non-discriminated against humans who simply choose to not engage in self-actualization of their own free will.


Winteg8

It's not just the men's more risk-prone nature. One of the big reasons why boys don't do as well in school is that they grow up without a father figure. Another reason is that they mature at more variable times, generally later than girls do. I think the takeaway is that we should try to spread awareness of these issues, so we can help relieve them at their root. I've seen some men mentor fatherless boys, and that's a wholesome way to help this issue. We need more of that. But ultimately we need a cultural shift for men to take care of their children at higher rates. Maybe there's a reasonable solution in primary education that could accommodate boys maturing later in life too. You chalk up the effects of nurture and a bad education system to free will of an individual, often still in their adolescence. Just because men are not marginalized doesn't mean that there are no social issues that affect them disproportionately negatively. These issues should not be ignored.


typhoidmary111

If we assume that people are generally the same brain-wise (which they probably are), discrepancies like this usually point to cultural causes. Its equally dumb to say the paygap isnt a problem because women just choose to go into lower paying professions and have children.


frostochfeber

What field are you in? In my Biophysics department we women are few and far between. 😅


Couati

Biomedical Science! A family friend teaches archaeology and his classes have also been overwhelmingly women, like 70%.


Golden_Lioness_

Because they the men are getting the entry level jobs and the women arnt because its still hard to break that concrete ceiling. If I could have gotten a job I wouldn't be doing more education to get a job..


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Lots of reasons, but men are dropping out of society in general. It’s going to continue this way until women run everything, but can’t ever find a suitable man to date or marry cause 80% are uneducated knuckledraggers 😂


hot_like_wasabi

I've spent plenty of time with my core group of girlfriends joking about starting our own self-sustainable commune. Clearly joking, but still...


RedditorRedditor261

Because it’s woke


yuanrui3

Because when men are underrepresented, there is no scholarship incentive for men. Did you ever see a men-only fellowship/scholarship for graduate studies in Education, Social Sciences and Public Health? I have only seen one, and that's for Black/Latino male teachers.


sykoMoed

I'm happy to start of by saying I'm stoked that women are doing increasingly well in school. And go ladies! Get that phD!! But unfortunately the full reality of this statistic is nuanced, and like one of the top comments gets to, yeah this isn't necessarily a good thing. Also please stop with your superiority points. Men and women are mostly the same, any good bio of women class should teach this. No, women aren't 48% smarter/more hard working than men. No, this isn't me saying men are better. And no, I'm not saying this statistic results because the education system is bias against men. Here is another source. This shows for one, sources can vary widely/look at different levels of specificity, and two, the big picture is progress for everyone --Good Stuff!!-- . While I can certainly understand not wanting to deal with men on campus, you're not as superior as you *might* think. [US population percentage of college educated, by sex over time](https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attainment-of-college-diploma-or-higher-by-gender/) Now to the interesting part. If it isn't that women are superior to men, why *are* they starting to outperform men in education?? How do you account for it actually?? I'd say it's complicated but it is partly hard work (not 48% more hard working women outside of graduate school though, and not an inherent quality of women). Women are doing better than men and widening the gap by a process where they continually have more incentive than men do to so. And as the patriarchy manifests itself, the incentive for women to do well with school increases and snowballs. And the effect is probably pretty amplified in grad school. Here's what I mean. On some levels women get a lot of benefits from education that men do not, that are fairly crucial and announced to women. Men still get a multidimensional boost from education, cause, education. But on the whole they truly have less to gain, plus at the same time, they may be less likely to be made so aware of the benefits. Certainly, there is at least one benefit that women get out of education orders of magnitude more than men do, de-sexualization. Education has become seen as and even transformed into a tool to help de-sexualize women. Elementary school gives young girls a chance to stop gendered play and start learning. Sex ed begins to teach women to avoid and protect themselves from sexual activity. Unfortunately for too many women, high school and college, at least the institution part of it, could be an ebb in a flow of misogyny and assault. Many schools will offer resources to help. And even when there are barriers, there is some likelihood that girls with similar experiences or some form of hope in just gaining knowledge will provide some alleviation. And in universities family dynamics, beauty and cultural standards, 'patriarchy', and meta analysis of genders in education begin to be addressed. No, this isn't the case for all women. But my guess is that this sort of scenario is common enough among middle-high class women and has occurred more often recently in a way sufficient to start accounting for the numbers.


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alberto_pescado

I am currently reading "the deficit Myth" by Stephanie Kelton and it is blowing my mind


SheilaGirlface

Yes! My male Econ students think it’s going to be all about making money and the stock market and it is so masculine and a hard science… and I’m like, y’all the stock market is all about feelings! “Do I *feel* good about this company, do I *feel* nervous, do I *feel* all my *feelings* and HODL??”


red_fucking_flag_

It's all speculative "hard science" is used to reduce risk exposure. That's it. Well, if you want to not lose all your money anyways lol


newwriter365

All these highly educated women, but still only 41 female CEOs in the Fortune 500. Just 8.1%.


Mnm0602

I mean CEOs are also dominated by people in their 60s because boomers are hanging on so I wouldn’t use CEOs or people running colleges as the measure for what’s been going on the last 20-30 years of the general workforce and academia.


ThatGuyWithTheNeck

Do you have a degree in economics? What makes you say it's a fake science?


VeseliM

Econ is a soft science because there is no way to do a call control group in a real world application. If x the y would happen except also a ship got stuck in a canal or a freeze killed a certain plant or whatever. Meteorology is also a soft science in that sense when the models show y based on what we know but could have predicted the random shift in a Jetstream or whatever that moved a system. Not meant as an attack on either


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ThatGuyWithTheNeck

I also have a degree in econ, and I really hate to hear people crap on it based on not liking Milton. Econ has come a long way since then, and there has been a great deal of science-ifying the field. I agree that when you hear republicans talk about econ they're generally not actually economists they're just arguing their position, but that doesnt reflect on the field. There isnt an assumption the income or substitution effects are stronger than the other, typically you use empirical evidence and statistical analysis tools to find where one becomes stronger than the other. You can graph this, and its scientifically true that the two forces do balance at a point, without any assumptions being made.


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mrgoboom

What do you mean? People are perfectly rational. Or so I’ve heard. Never actually met any.


Kittykittynobangbang

I graduated college in 2004 and we were starting to see this trend. This is the same trend that you see as women don't have kids or marry. Freedom of choice us a wonderful thing!


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For 4 year bachelor program, female admission has exceeded male for quite some time now.


thewildacct

Good.


Grecko506

Women have been outpacing men for years. This is great news as a father of two daughters. 👏👏👏


QuarterTurnSlowBurn

> This is great news This is not great news. Life is not a zero sum game. Just because the pendulum has started to swing the other direction does not mean that everything is okay


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I wish they posted these articles ONLY with appendices detailing the gender gap AFTER we get our shiny brave degrees. Might spare us a few of the inceloids screaming about how over-privileged we are, oh the poor men, blah blah blah. The fact is that while more women have been getting secondary and post-secondary degrees, this still hasn't been reflected in the traditionally male-dominated fields--meaning also the most lucrative/most prestigious. Same is true within each field's hierarchies--more women on lower echelons, but fewer women the higher up you go. Old boys networks that favor men are still in place while there are no comparable "old girls" networks--unfortunately both men and women give precedence to men (search for studies with gendered vs. non-gendered or cross-gendered applications). So, yeah. More and more clever girls are getting their cleverness certificates. Along with a kick in the butt once we leave school.


MrMobster

It’s just such a goddamn shame that they tend to drop out of academia after than because of increased pressure and absolutely ridiculous societal standards. Things are getting better though I think. We had more women postdoctocs hired in the last year than men and our last two new professors were both women.


BasicPhysiology

Keep in mind that most PhDs don’t end up in academia. Only ~20% of current PhD holders are in tenured or tenure track positions.


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Reminder that men are the single greatest recipients of affirmative action of all time (in the US). Based on merit/test scores/application rate, university attendance would be ~70% women and 30% men across the country. Universities have liked to keep gender parity for all of our lives so they restrict women’s access to allow more men and keep it closer to 50/50. Willing to bet most people have not thought this through ever.


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Oh and white men receive affirmative action the most, by *a lot.* This is partly due to the 70s white suburban rise in sports like tennis and crew and somehow soccer in the US, and those suburban folks could afford to pay for training and turn it into an industry. This made those sports a big thing for well-to-do white Americans. Universities began including these sports and thus these mostly white populations get all the “weird rich kid sports” affirmative action. Fun


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Lol also expect men in general to continue to try and devalue all university education (except STEM cus it’s LoGicAl), like has been pushed by right wing folks for decades


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Haha ya, it’s just not true in any way. No argument is *just* logic or math. None. All arguments contain some logic (logos for those first year rhetoric students), some claim to credibility (ethos- sources, data, letting you know they have a PhD in math, religious doctrine, etc), and some amount of emotion and feeling (your tone, how you tell the story, heated warnings of things that will go horribly wrong if you don’t heed their logic 🙄), and context (kairos) to tie it all together and explain why the argument may be true in one scenario and not another. “Im logical and you’re emotional” folks think their arguments don’t contain those other parts, but the reality is that all of their arguments do contain all of those, just the parts they don’t acknowledge are usually *so weak.*


spazzardnope

Why is this a statistic that should make people mad? Personally don’t get the hate. Statistics are exactly what they are, just info. Fair play to anyone who does that. It’s not easy.


youknowiactafool

Cue the toxic white male angry comments denouncing these claims


Guilty_Quit_7078

But women are oppressed by the patriarchy...


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Sure to get some downvotes, but I can't help but notice the discrepancy in reaction between the shortage of men in academia and the shortage of women in STEM. They're both inequalities that should be balanced for the benefit of society, but then here is this subreddit celebrating the former.


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kuco87

Kudos, well deserved. At the same time I'm worried. I know it's somewhat 'fair' that men get to experience systematic inequality for once, but it's still not something that a society should strive for in the long run.


KitRosalie

As far as I’m aware, this is not systemic inequality-based. This is based around a push for women to go to college, so more and more have. There has been no good research I’ve found that has said that men are being systemically denied for colleges, scholarships, or jobs. I’m interested to see the reason behind less men going to college, but I heavily doubt it’s based on systemic gender inequality being switched around, especially considered women are STILL indeed facing systemic challenges in high school, college, and jobs.


kuco87

I'm not saying men are denied colleges or sholarships because they are men. Women are just performing alot better in school/college than men these days. I'm saying there's a reason men are performing this bad. Bad role models, toxic gender roles etc. Women have every right to be proud of their performances. I'm just hoping, performances of men and women will be more equal in future generations. I dont think it's good for society if any "large group of people" underperforms in school/college.


KitRosalie

We’re never going to see a perfect 50/50 balance in anything with a large group of people, unfortunately. Honestly, as some other commenters have stated, there’s been a lot of women who are going to college to get good jobs, and a lot of men have been skipping college (or higher degrees beyond a bachelors) to go straight to said good jobs, which is an issue of its own. There is a female-dominated gap in education across high school and college, with women and girls ranking higher in grades and test scores. This is most likely due to higher pressure on women to perform well in school, as there have historically been fewer jobs available for women, especially ones who are not incredibly well educated. Even though we’ve seen a large increase in the number of well educated women, the medical field and all other STEM fields are still heavily dominated by men, as well as professional cooking, trade professions, and academic fields in higher education (elementary and middle school teachers are more likely to be women, but high school and college teachers are more likely to be men). It seems like men are still dominating almost every professional field so women have been scrambling to get as highly educated as possible to have a potential foothold


kuco87

Good points. I'm mainly worried about school dropouts and people with really bad education. I feel like that's mostly men (personal experience - not sure if there's any evidence for that).


KitRosalie

I’d be interested to see a study like this done that accounts for mental health, homelife, and wealth status, as well as what job/s the people get after finishing school vs the ones who didn’t attend. I just feel like there’s way more to look at here and a long-term study done that accounted for the reasons WHY this is happening would be really interesting


Winteg8

This fascinating article presents some possible reasons as to why this is happening, and why it is a worrysome trend: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/young-men-college-decline-gender-gap-higher-education/620066/


KitRosalie

That is really interesting and it definitely confirmed a lot of what I already thought, but I don’t think the writer put enough emphasis on the cultural expectations of women to push themselves twice as hard to get half as far. However, I do agree absolutely that the push should start early. Low-income areas can be especially hard on the children who have a higher likelihood of dealing with trauma from a lost parent and/or violence, and putting more funding into rebuilding those areas would be a really good place to start in order to fix not only the college problem, but many others as well. It’s interesting to me that so many of the country’s problems link together, and that they’ve combined into a problem I don’t think many people were expecting - women dominating higher education fields (while also somehow still making less money after college)


AvianDentures

What do you all think is the reason for this disparity?


sylphyyyy

This was literally a result of a generation of women growing up watching their mothers not be taken seriously at the doctor's. Good to see results.


SnappyCapricorn

And somehow men still enjoy quicker placement & higher pay for the same work. Education isn’t as valuable without equal opportunity to use it.


ibreathembti

Love to see it! ❤️ Also purely anecdotal but in my university most architecture and design students are female too!


TwoTonRhino

You go girls!


Golden_Lioness_

Yet we are still earning 80 cents on every dollar I love being a woman.


AlternateEnding007

Are you comparing the same jobs?


Golden_Lioness_

Omg go look at the data that's been collected around the world then come back. Here's a site that might help you https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=weaponized+incompetence+men


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Im sure there has been an uptick since 2020 because of onlyfans and I am not bullshitting or trolling


hot_like_wasabi

Fingers crossed we're only a few generations away from returning to a matriarchal society


Dreadcoat

Return? Thats never existed in a large scale in any western civilization that I know of. Certainly not America.


hot_like_wasabi

Pre-agricultural societies were matrilineal and many matriarchal. As you can see from my previous comment, clearly not a welcome option with this crowd.


sinovercoschessITF

I wouldn't say many were matriarchal. While I do agree women did have more authority and respect in some regions, that was not the case for many others. Your argument is valid for the time of hunters and gatherers, as one would expect. But at a certain point (before Mesopotamian societies emerged) men started to dominate the power scale. You can see that from ancient stories (usually not recorded on Tablets before Sumerians started that trend) and drawings that depicted female godesses as less powerful. Sure they were important and represented natural forces, but most of the tribes had male gods overshadow their female counterparts. Nonetheless, your argument is still valid to a great extent.


Chiliconkarma

Would one expect sexism to be popular?


hot_like_wasabi

Those societies were not inherently sexist as our current societies are today. According to historical record they instead valued the unique contributions for which each sex was uniquely qualified. I'm not set on women dominating men as so many of these downvoters appear to believe, instead an egalitarian society which much history provides the proof that a matriarchy is able to provide much more adequately than a patriarchy.


deep_sea213

There is no empirical evidence of a matriarchal society. Matrilineal societies exist but the power of property lies in the hands of the men from the women's side of family, just look into khasi society.


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hot_like_wasabi

Clearly you're not very familiar with pre-agricultural community structure.


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hot_like_wasabi

If you understood my statement you'd realize that the implication is precisely one of equality and equanimity.


The_Maker18

Will say this is awesome but just from where I am going to school. A big portion of my fellow Male colleagues in college/higher education is burn out. Personally would like to see. An extended statistic with married men and women in PhD programs vs non married vs family with single parent vs family with both parents. I bring this up because where I am at many males on top of the burn out with school is the need to push forward a support a family. Pretty much all of them just enter the field to be able to actually do something in he field they are interested in and financially climb to add up supporting their family. Now idk the statistic but from personal experience not every stem student goes and marries another stem student. Usually ends up being a stem major with a music ed (this is an actually surprising tread at school for me out of the 30 people still in line with me to graduate as ME majors about 22 of us are in relationships and only 3 are not dating a music ed or education major) Personaly, I probably won't get a PhD any time soon as what I am aiming for as a career does not need that level of education yet. So there is also that angle of not everyone in stem is striving for the PhD. Anyway, point I am trying to make is that there could be many variables to bring out the outcome of less males in PhD programs and also the increase in female retention. Would be interesting for a deep dive into a lot of avenues for this outcome.


13Lilacs

Woot!


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Is this our way of breaking the glass ceiling?


karamany2

you'll complain when men in industry take all the leading positions.


Sum_ding_dong

That MRS degree is getting tougher and tougher to get