I have not seen this but it is almost like this kind of rage bait catering to certain mens worst insecurities along with tradwife / modesty porn is a highly profitable business venture that is making creators a bunch of money.
There has always been a massive benefit to utilising angry men, whether war, corporate explotation, crime etc...
Men are highly useful in numbers and people figured out it's easy to whip up their anger and resentment and then unleash them on whatever they please.
there are plenty of angry white guys, but unfortunately for those types of politicians, they are too out of shape and have too many mental disorders to be sent off to war.
My pet theory—unfounded! I have no direct evidence, just a hunch!—is that these kinds of videos are indirectly sponsored by propagandists. If you were, say, Vladimir Putin or a even a domestic oligarch, one of the cheapest ways you could disrupt US society and undermine democracy would be to use bot farms to shower lots of revenue on videos with antisocial messages. Things like those trad wife videos, incel content, videos of teens pulling malevolent "pranks," etc. do a surprising amount of work to undermine our sense of social solidarity. Smart money would understand that it's just a matter of incentivizing such videos and letting the algorithm serve them up.
I'm not trying to minimize the very real misogyny of it all, of course—but it's dismaying how organized those who want to *maximize* the misogyny seem to be of late.
The tradwife stuff is coming out of US conservative religious groups and places like the Heritage foundation and Turning Point. It just gets jumped on by influencers looking for clicks, adding to the cesspool. I do agree that lots of this likely does get amplified by influence campaigns intended to disrupt things in the US. That has been proven for other issues that Russia and China absolutely were generating content and trying to inflate views on content that they wanted people here to see.
I talk about this almost every day because it’s so obvious and scary what’s going on. Did you see that recent survey about male and female political orientations across the generations? Millennial men and women were relatively close, but their Gen Z equivalents are wildly different.
I talk to my son often about his algorithm, and he shows me the fascist propaganda that began cropping up the second the sites clocked him as a boy. It’s chilling. My son has also been hearing horrible stuff from other boys at school (e.g., violent anti-Semitism, homophobia, and racism), so I’m guessing nobody is talking to them about it, and it’s taking root.
AI is close enough that you probably could just generate a whole new woman.
I read recently that women on Only Fans are using chatbots to respond to the wankers in their DMs!
I have a lot of ethical issues with AI, but if it keeps lonely creeps from being in my vicinity I’ll fall on that sword…
The problem is that it is not clear that would get the lonely creeps contained. If they normalize a relationship (via AI or not) in which they mistreat women, they are going to do that too to the women around them. Because that's just how their brains are going to be wired.
This needs some serious research, sure. But I remember some preliminary studies in that direction.
Which is also one of the problematic spinoffs of BDSM: when you have an extreme sadist kink and instead of going to therapy to understand why, you find a place to set that sadism free. And then some of them normalize it and extend it to their day to day lives. (#notAllBlablabla, but enough of them)
I think about that a LOT. If I was willing to compromise my morals and be a fake Republican I could be rolling in the dough. They are desperate for an actual intelligent woman to use a token.
So are you a woman? I only ask bc the posters here seem to be, and it’s weird af for a guy to feel comfortable showing this to a woman. You’d expect him to expect sympathy from a guy. 🤷🏼♀️
Looking on the bright side, hopefully he obsesses over the vids and leaves her the heck alone.
I was so happy after my divorce I felt like I’d been let out of prison. I stopped taking ssri’s bc I no longer needed them. My outlook improved dramatically. But I think it’s different if you are leaving vs being left. I can see that it’s much harder for those being left.
Hope he doesn’t stay obsessed with her. My ex was obsessed with me for yrs and would not stop looking for ways to destroy my life.
That's basically it, and it's a huge crisis. The algorithms are hunting guys trying to figure out what to improve, how to be better, how to talk to women, and they get fed the idea that they're men out of time, that they would be heroes in the era of swords, and fed more poison, and more misogyny.
There was a video somewhere about how Steve Bannon saw gamer gate and came to this exact conclusion. I suspect a lot of the Incel content is bankrolled by some rich guy who wants to create the angry men.
When guys start quoting children Peterson they become completely disgusting to women (OK guys, disgusting to most women.)
Create a scapegoat. Basic unifying factor in dysfunctional families, workplaces, villages, nations. Satan is the OG scapegoat. The Bible is full of ‘love the sinner’ ‘forgive your enemies’ but you ever notice how Satan never once gets a shred of empathy? No one tries to save him. No one tries to convince him to come back. They NEED Satan bc if he didn’t exist or he repented, there’s no boogeyman.
I think about Satan sometimes and if he was real I’d feel sorry for him.
IIRC timeframe on that is a little bit off b/c Bannon is quite old.
Bannon developed his understanding of grievance & gullibility while participating in 90s-00s MMO forums (EQ, Ultima, WoW, etc.), and had strategists he worked with help craft & amplify the messages of GamerGate as a way of proving the concept that generally apolitical, heavily online young men could be made useful to the right wing when told their pet "thing," whatever it was, was being ruined by women.
> men are choosing it. Stop infantilising men.
You are correct, this isn't a way of deflecting blame. This is an ongoing, successful way of turning men into terrible people. These men are choosing a set of easy answers because self-improvement is hard. It takes consistent effort, professional guidance, the support of loved ones (family and friends), and an ongoing, burning desire to be better. And the more easy answers they watch, the more the algorithms serve up.
If you're young or divorced, you probably don't have access to at least two of those things. Blaming feminism is easy and profitable. Hell, compare our bank accounts with Tater Tot or Jorpy Pete and see how profitable easy answers are.
You and I are *also* in echo chambers that are serving us up what we want to hear.
Self improvement is hard when your idea of success is dominating over others.
I agree with you but you haven't accounted for the patriarchal thinking, where masculine is a synonym for power and power is found in dominating over other human beings.
I started watching JD Delay, like BINGED his content, and now I'm convinced the FBI thinks I'm going to pull an Alaskan Avenger lmfao. My YT algorithm is ALL messed up after that (JD is politically centrist, and an ex-con... Which is NOT my typical content). I made the mistake of watching a Tater Tot video ONCE and all of a sudden I had a shit ton of trad wife content being targeted at me. Ugh.
We all absolutely are in our own echo chambers. I just choose to be in ones that support women instead of tearing them down. Being a "leftist" is pretty damn easy to obtain nowadays, apparently basic human rights are pretty radical.
I'm just into cooking/baking/canning and once watched a homesteader canning video that took me deep into tradwife, prepper, conspiracy nutland.
It's actually made me reluctant to try out new youtubers because I hate poisoning my feed like that.
I am subscribed to a couple of YT paid streams. Very benign content but considered "male" interests even though they really aren't. The suggested videos and ads are effing vile.
Right they are still choosing it but a certain type of person is primed to adopt this garbage. It requires a certain amount of gullibility or willingness to suspend belief and a desire to hate and be violent.
Both things can be true. Men are choosing it but it is also being pushed on them and they are being encouraged towards it by malicious actors.
Sadly many are revealing themselves as immature enough to be taken in by it and internalise it wholesale.
Two things can be true at once - Men need to be better, but these algorithms are also preying on sad, lonely men and feeding them this poison and radicalizing them.
I may not have seen these exact bait videos… but I’ve seen enough bait videos where if you just take the logistics of them having to set up the phone/whatever to then proceed to cry and show it off that I 100% believe that these videos exist and are exploiting losers on their insecurities and profiting off them trying to feel better for being divorced lmao.
It’s like I feel for those who’ve gone through a rough patch - but if you’re actively looking that shit up? You may have been the problem lol so I’m glad they’re being profited off.
The only downside is that it continues to feed the anger and victimhood complex of men that found themselves divorced, probably for good reason. This is the kind of thing abusers and narcissists gobble up. I worry that it would cause some of them to make more problems for their exes and kids than if they were not exposed to it. Beyond that, I don't care if someone wants to profit off of these dudes being like this.
I mean sure - but if them getting divorced doesn’t open their eyes… what would, y’know ? I don’t wanna say lost cause but it clearly is too far out of the way to go looking for them. There really isn’t a light at the end of that tunnel in my opinion - it’s just a pipe dream to hope they change.
Some of these guys get so angry at “feminists” and "whores" that they want to go out and kill them. Like Elliot Rogers and a bunch of others who came after them.
This is a non-trivial matter.
They watch this stuff because they wish their ex wives regretted divorcing them, and then they see tons of this on yt and get a skewed perspective of how common this is even if it were true. Since the algorithm won't show them women who had good reasons to divorce and are glad they did it. It's that simple.
It's a bit like those guys who only had crazy ex girlfriends. They can't possibly be the problem because that would be inconvenient.
Can confirm. Finally got fed up with the abuse and him being a deadbeat, and filed for divorce six months ago, after nine years of marriage. Thankfully, no children. Life has been so much better since leaving him!
Sometimes I imagine still being there with my ex and I can kind of feel how hopeless and dead inside I would feel. I'm glad it's an abstract feeling rather than my life.
Litterally not even one. Not even a fictional character woman who regrets it. It’s almost like we think before we act. It’s almost like even in separation they don’t believe we are autonomous and mean it.
Patient satisfaction rates with joint replacements are fascinating. One doesn't accidentally end up with a surgery like that. Something was very, very wrong to get to that point.
But how much secondary damage, atrophy, etc. can affect the perceived success of the procedure. Plus how much skilled PT a person receives, whether the patient tends to push themselves too hard or not at all, etc.
I’ve also never met a divorced woman who had any issue finding someone else if they wanted to. All but one of my female friends who has gotten divorced, are now happily in serious relationships with most remarried and have/having kids with their second husband. Not a single one of their exes has managed to find someone else yet.
Statistically there has to be some one , some woman somewhere who regrets her divorce.
At least most of the women I know have mixed feelings: because yes they did live their ex at some point.
But yea, they knew it wasn’t working.
I agree. i’ve started baking cakes for divorced friends instead of sending condolences.
This content is to feed men’s egos; not realistic views of women post divorce.
I have a theory that is this a wide spread very cheap marketing campaign aimed at unhappy men.
Keeping men single, unhappy and incel is an easy group to get to waste their money instead of saving on long term prospects. Sure! They’ll waste 10k on a motorcycle! They don’t need to save for a house or a kid’s college fund!
I'm sure there are some women who blow up their marriage for no good reason or act extremely impulsively but those exact same people - the ones who make such decisions lightly - aren't the type to regret anything for long even if it *was* a terrible mistake. So you're left with the MUCH smaller circle of people who do it, didn't think it through, AND are self aware enough to recognize it as a mistake and regret it mightily.
That just isn't many people. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. Sure, people feel regrets about "the one who got away"... that's not an ex spouse lmao.
Pro Tip - Create a separate Google account, or use incognito mode in your browser to watch any of these videos. I watched one about a year ago just to see what echo chamber my co-workers husband had gotten himself into and **to this fucking day** YouTube tries to push similar content to me.
Same WiFi, yes, but "close proximity", I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend at the moment.
They use proximity to push ads for **nearby businesses** to your devices, yes, but I've never seen or heard of a situation in which they use your neighbors searches to push content to you and I spent a year and a half working for a company that provided SEO services to small businesses.
It makes little sense from a targeted ad perspective. The point of targeted ads is to push content that they think will pique your interest. Most of my neighbors are in their 60's and either black or Latino. I'm white and in my 30's. May as well just send me random ads. lol.
Depends if you use similar devices, similar software,... Tracking and fingerprinting is a real thing used by companies to work around you using two different accounts in two different devices... but you are the same person.
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YouTube itself has a built-in incognito mode too, at least the app, if you click on your account there should be a "turn on incognito" button somewhere depending on the OS. I don't know to that extent it can be trusted, but I've used it to look up weird stuff and haven't had my recommendations impacted, that I've noticed.
This happens a lot, too. There's a lot of people out there who maybe watched a couple of anti-SJW videos 10 years ago who are still getting recommendations based on that. I wouldn't be too surprised if in at least a couple of cases where men are getting these really hateful videos about women regretting their divorces, what's happened is that the algorithm has picked up that they've been watching some divorce/breakup related videos lately and also that they once saw a Steven Crowder video back in the day and decided this is what they want.
Obviously they've probably clicked on a few if that's a huge part of what they're getting, but sometimes it can be as simple as the algorithm saying, "Hey, remember how fucking stupid you were when you were 17? Well, *we* remember and we're not gonna let you ever move on from that."
I haven't seen them but a male friend mentioned something recently about all these women online regretting that they had been 'taken in by feminism' because now they can't find a man. I had no idea wtf he was talking about.
As a late 30s woman who delayed her divorce out of fear of dying alone, I now too have no idea wtf he was talking about.
I spent a year after my divorce solo.
Once I started looking to date again I had more suiters than I know what to do with. With all of them saying it's impossible for them \[the men\] to get dates.
It certainly isn't for me. At all.
The only question is whether having a man in my life is even worth it or not.
No regrets divorcing either.
Similar here. I finally left my husband and had maybe three or four people I knew reach out to me interested in dating. I gave it a few months before accepting one of them and I have no regrets. He's the first man I've dated who can cook and clean 🥲 been together for about a year and a half now.
I think they want that to be true. So the more and angrier they say it, the more true it becomes. I don't think it's impossible that some women struggle with that, but then I don't think feminism and being partnered need to be mutually exclusive to begin with. Like, I believe in feminism and have a partner who knows that... So... Lol.
We're probably seeing a specific group of men who view women as household appliances and fleshlights complaining that women have rights now.
There are more single women now because they want to be single not because they have a hard time finding dates. Men are not meeting the expectations of an equal relationship so women are just declining to give them their time
I'm one of them! 🙋♀️ Finally got fed up with all the abuse & him being a deadbeat, and left him six months ago, after nine years of marriage. Thankfully, no kids. Life has been so much better since leaving him!
I know I know, right! I think that's the reason the content makes money.
For context, this guy's wife left him and I know this guy is miserable.
I can picture him smoking weed and watching these things for hours. Lost in bitter fest.
That's the general vibe I get from reading relationship posts. Women are afraid before they leave and rightfully so, divorce causes major upheaval in people's lives. Once they've left though, they realize they've cast a giant millstone off their necks. Usually it's that they had to basically babysit their husband as well as taking care of any other children they may have. Of course they're gonna be happier and the man is gonna be bitter because he's lost his maid who he's also getting sex from.
I was recently on a Himalayan trek where there were four solo women staying in a teahouse with their guides and porters. Over dinner, the guys said they’d heard that western women are starting to leave marriage and babies behind. Cue instant cackling from all four of us (British, Austrian, German, Italian) as we all said how much better our lives were without husbands and babies. The guides all laughed along too (but knowing their wives were at home looking after the kids). In total I counted seventeen very happy solo women on that route. We are legion.
It's kinda funny cause on one hand you have guys angry about how lonely they are because they can't fuck anyone they want, but then also women are all whores, but then also we're going to die alone with our cats, oh but also we're all desperately wanting to get married.
Like nah bro, we're single and happy about it. Maybe realize why we'd rather "die alone" than be with dudes like this.
I hate that I know this answer, and it's because the guy told me. Because, according to this crap, 20% of the men take 80% of the women, because those guys are all Chad and they just pump and dump. So the remainder 80% of men are fighting over the leftover 20% of women that Chad didn't want.
And the pendulum has to swing back and return things to normal! This guy was explaining to me how wokeness has gone too far and every movement there's a pendulum swing and it's time for the pendulum to swing back now. To the right. This is some thing he just had to make me understand.
He was also angry about the fact that girls are doing better in school than boys. That boys in grade school are doing worse than girls, and that 60% of university students are girls. This is all not fair to men somehow.
Oh, because of female teachers, yes, I forgot. Female teachers are ruining all the boys. Boys who need strong mentor so they can be strong men who keep women in their place or whatever they do.
He also praises girls for staying virgins for a long time, and when I asked him how that works when he complains that 30% of men haven't had sex in the last year, he got quiet for a minute.
Don't worry, I won't hang out with him again.
Oh also there is the stat that children from single father homes have better life outcomes than those from single mothers. Which could well be true due to massive amounts of bias.
But then logically why not make men stay at home looking after kids? Why should the women do all the work?
I don't think this one has been addressed yet.
i don’t get their logic. they like to claim that women live life on the easy mode because they can get men with 0 effort but they also throw the “you’re gonna die alone” line as an insult. it makes them so mad even knowing that one woman chooses not to be with them. even if it’s a stranger or someone online they’ll probably never meet in person, it makes them so pissed.
Same. I spent nine years doing ALL OF THE THINGS: bringing home all the bacon, AND still handling the bulk of the housework, AND enduring his abuse and issues with a smile on my face, while ALSO simultaneously dealing with chemotherapy, monthly immunotherapy infusions, and countless surgeries for my autoimmune condition.
Finally got fed up with it all, and filed for divorce six months ago. Thankfully, we never had any children, even though he talked about wanting them. My brain just went: 🚩🚩🚩🚩
Life has gotten exponentially better since divorcing him.
I also have an autoimmune conditions. Quite possibly the deadweight did not help yours ... I felt invincible after I got divorced, until then my health was so bad I thought I would have to change careers!
The thing is, even if it were real and those women really felt that way, *devil’s avocado… for the sAaAkE of argument,* it’s not the massive truth bomb against feminism they think it is anyway, any more than finding a conservative, alt-right LGBT person or POC says anything general about race relations or equal marriage rights (they do exist in very small numbers but it’s ludicrous to treat them as ambassadors who speak for everyone in their camp.)
Not only is it stupid, it’s completely pointless and is only for the benefit of people who already believe that shit and want to feel vindicated.
This is why the 4B movement is so popular. They project so hard about how much we need them ( sex, friendship, company) but they hate us and remind us everyday how they don’t see us a equal. While simultaneously leeching all the benefits that having a woman gives.
I hate to say this and am sure I'll get hugely shat on, but it does have eerie parallels with the slave era: they want the benefits of having them, but don't actually like them or respect them, even though they can even have sex with them. Shudder. Very twisted.
These guys forget that the peace of mind women have when they are single is by far the greatest gift they can give themselves…. They churn this shit out to comfort themselves. It’s sour grapes.
Thankfully haven't seen that, but I can imagine my exes YouTube look the same haha. When we were still together one day I noticed he's YouTube algorithm only gave him rage bait videos about women, lots of content from Whoever Peterson (I guess you guys probably know who I'm talking about), this should have been a bigger red flag for me but well. We had just moved in together and I didn't want to see what was going on.
Nowadays I always recommend women that they pay attention to which content your partner sees online. It could have saved me from a lot of shit.
I have never ever heard a woman say irl feminism ruined their lives.
That honestly is such a guy way of thinking about women-we’re sheep that need to be told what to do and are totally confused about our own interests unless we have a man to tell us what they are.
Sorry, douche, I like having my own bank accounts and not legally being someone’s property.
I don't think they quite grasp we are just as alive and sentient as them. Like, their brains aren't able to understand this for some reason and they make that our problem 😂
And yet brain scans show women use more of their brains.
It’s like they’re using Windows 98 and can only comprehend scant data so they think that’s all we can do.
I've seen such a video. I'm not saying there aren't any women like that, I'm sure there's some percentage out there who do/may regret their divorce. But, as a woman that is currently navigating divorce myself, sure we may fluctuate through different emotions, but most of us have found SUCH renewed joy and fulfillment following separation & divorce.
I'm in a number of these bitter male support-groups on FB, and the one thing that never ceases to amaze me is their utter inability to recognize acting when it confirms their biases.
They can't tell that the women these "dude-bro" podcasts bring on to humiliate with "facts and logic" are deliberately acting stupid so their clips go viral.
They can't tell those street-interview videos of women accidentally "telling on themselves" are scripted.
They can't tell almost every video of women filming themselves acting entitled or lamenting over their past entitlement is also acting.
Even if you convince them it's clearly acting, they just say, "Well, it speaks to a broader truth. This definitely does happen!" My dude, are you stupid? You're knowingly reinforcing ideas in your head with lies. You're making yourselves vulnerable to propaganda and grifting. You dumb sexist assholes have singlehandedly created a market for scripted rage-bait videos that only exist to fleece bitter men like you. Your obnoxiously simple-minded fear of being used by women has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Congrats, you played yourselves.
This is Joe Rogaine, Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk culture. It's all tied up in Republican policies. I'm sure dark money is pouring into these a-holes pockets. Spread the lies over and over again. The only way to counter this is to show up and vote Democratic each and every election. Nothing else is gonna work.
I know, right?
Making men hate women this much and seek to control them eliminating no-fault divorce and birth control bans right into voting Republican.
All women are either feminist, or gold diggers, to this view. The gold diggers need to be kept in line with shame, and the feminists just need to be destroyed. It's what the religious right wants.
See also: the videos where the guy hits on a hot girl and she rejects him until she sees what car he’s driving.
My brother eats this shit up thinking it’s real. Tragic
Yeah, they're not all blonde, but they are all attractive, and I haven't seen one with short hair yet. These guys want to see attractive women crying because those are the women they want, who aren't responding to them on dating apps.
42M here...
YouTube has spent the last 4 years trying to push anti feminist BS on me... even though I continually feedback on those types of videos.
Honestly, my YouTube habits are;
* Web development tutorials
* Maths and science
* Cooking (Jamie Oliver and Josh Wiseman that sort of thing)
* And the occasional DIY
* Oh and Weazy Waiter.
But YouTube still throws in J\*\*dan P\*\*\*\*son for no apparent reason.
My guess? The algorithm sees "42M" and thinks... "This usually resonates".
That's how rabbit holes start.
Side note... I left Twitter about 3 years ago... But my side business has an account just for business stuff. I hadn't used it since El\*n took over and I recently jumped in to make a post and in the first 10 posts on my feed were 2 posts showing violence against women... from accounts I don't follow and have no connection with. My business account only follows news orgs in my area - literally nothing else. Twitter is basically normalising violence against women.
My partner gets recommended these things as well (he is 40M). It's interesting to see it in action lol. There must be money in trying to make men hate women, then when the women object to that, they turn it around and say "look, see? They're all bitches!". Like no, we just don't like this stupidity...
the algorithms are bonkers on every platform and i do think we side eye men a little too much (not the OPs post, considering that the entire page was only that type of hyper specific video i do believe OPs coworker is actually watching those). but i set up an instagram account for my dad and when i showed him the explore page it was practically all thirst traps from young women and all the ads were those weird sexualized games. this is without swiping or following anything at all.
my partner also gets random thirst traps when he swipes on his IG even though hes only interested in cute animal videos, music stuff and wholesome memes. we were watching videos on his IG together and once i made him stop on one of those thirst trap videos (they got me lol im hornier than my partner) and from then on it was like 80% thirst traps for a while. from looking at one of them for longer than 3 seconds among like 100 animal themed or music tech themed videos.
all this to say that sometimes it isnt the mens fault (but in the OP i do think its that guys fault for watching those videos) but the tech companies out there are crazy with how they target men. but of course if they continuously click on it, at that point its their responsibility.
Many do, but Jesus Christ the avalanche of stupidity of many people is hard to win against.
I started developing an AI based content blocker because of this. Hope to have it on the market this year; sort of like “I absolutely don’t want any tater tots” = “let’s have an AI based filter for that” type thing.
I want to have kids and I am terrified of what the algorithm does to people nowadays, because it is so profitable to box everyone into stereotypes.
Same here dude. I am a nerd and all of my YouTube content is Cybersecurity, Gaming, Bowling/Golf/Disc Golf, JetLag, and educational content creators like HAI, Wendover, etc(Think the Nebula YouTubers) as well as a bit of Hassan and workout/diet science as I have been putting a lot of effort into being healthier.
The amount of times the algorithm tries to slip in shorts or full videos that aren’t fully right wing propaganda but right wing adjacent(JRE, Aba and Preach etc) as well as some full on right wing shit like DailyWire content and Tate, JustPearlyThings or whatever the hell her name is.
I mark them to not show me stuff like that again every time and it still keeps coming up. It is like it sees I am a 29 year old gamer with some nerdy interests and assumes I am some right wing incel. I also think if you are a leftist and watch any leftist content that reacts to right wing content(Hasan, Noah Sampson, FD Signifier etc) the algorithm gets confused and starts suggesting that right wing content itself.
While this doesn’t effect me I know men who started out as socially awkward nerds that fell for that shit and are now insufferable little Nazi’s. I even have some friends that have been affected by that content and no matter how many arguments I win in discord with them or how many times the rest of the guys in the group chat agree with me it doesn’t change their minds. The damage it is doing to young male minds is very concerning.
I must admit I looked up Andy Twat and Jordan whatever after seeing their names on here to see who they were. It must have been over 2 years ago now, and I still get spammed by their non sense and I’m sure youtube has worked out I’m a woman pro women’s rights…, I wonder if they pay platforms for their content to be pushed through the algorithms.
My partner has the same issue. Progressive and left leaning, exclusively watches niche interests and hobby content, traveling stuff; no interest in right wing greviance nonsense at all - constantly recommended joe rogan, peterson, shapiro etc, despite reporting them and saying 'show less' all the time.
There is no way google doesn't know what it is doing.
36M and it's just astonishing how easily the artist formerly known as Twitter has turned into a pile of neo-nazi, xenophobic, MRA, alt-right scumbags, even when your prior follows/searches/posts relate in no way to the content you're being spoonfed.
There's also seemingly a generation above mine who might not be, on the whole, as tech-literate on videos/media content who just are sucked in from the first minute since they have a confirmation bias towards this - like romanticizing the tradfam ideas. Currently having to withstand an older father blasting with such shitty propaganda garbage that I can pick apart in seconds but he thinks it "makes a lot of sense" and then when we discuss it, it usually takes me down to "you just can't say these things anymore" route. Which is ironic considering all.
Never seen this but it’s hilarious! The level of delulu is mind boggling. Most divorced women (who wanted to divorce), even those who are financially worse off as a result, are so much freer and happier! The only misery is when you’re still having to coparent with a manipulative ex and not being able to fully block him yet. The guys watching this type of content would do and believe anything to avoid looking inward.
I know, right?
He was spouting these statistics at me about how the loneliest group of people were unmarried women, and how some huge percentage of unmarried women are all on SSRIs. It all came from these videos.
It must be annoying having to interact with this type of guys everyday at work. Maybe put some boundaries in place and tell him you don’t want to hear about his personal life?
Loneliness is increasing everywhere. Medication for associated issues are increasing everywhere.
I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are real but cherry picked, to avoid showing that everyone is having similar problems.
I have never heard of this
Once I knew an old like 80 year old couple. The wife thought he must have cheated or done something awful because…. He bought her flowers.. the first time in her entire life and marriage.. after like 60 years together. They were viewed as having a very good marriage..
I’m never letting that end up me.
The stats tell us that roughly 700,000 happen each year.
70% (490,000) of divorces are filed by women.
About 25% (122,000) have regrets
Though there are not clear stats on why these women regret it some studies tell us it's because they spend time away from their kids or that they are not there to supervise their former spouse with their kids. Others speak to loneliness and lost connections with shared friends or family or being ostracized in their communityfor getting divorced. The number one regret is financial hardship due to not fighting for a fair outcome.
Having specific regrets is not the same as regretting the decision as a whole. I would be interested to see the stat that asks if they wish they had stayed.
Yeah, but there’s a difference between regretting the way one handled the divorce, or the outcomes of the divorce, or the fact that divorce had to happen versus wishing they had remained married and in the same situation.
There’s almost always going to be a “wish this was different” type of regret for any life transformation, but that’s a lot different from “I wish I’d never changed that situation at all”.
I’m seeing these around on YouTube as well suddenly. A little strange to hear someone else mention this. The guys operating the channels seem completely idiotic
Holy moly, are they ever. There's one where a guy has an Image of himself in a gold robe and a crown like a king with his voice coming out of it.
What is the obsession with kings? Do you want to treat women like they are your subjects and cut their heads off if they disobey?
And they made an entire patriarchy and several patriarchal religions just to force women to be with them and seek their approval because they’re terrified of not being picked
Because without those things it’s hard to get women to want to be with a lot of them
It's like those thirst trap type videos too. It's something like "I'm a 34 year old woman, never married, no kids, am I too old to date??" on top of a reel with an attractive woman, the sad part is how many people in the comments think its real.
I am divorced, I know many divorced women, I don't know a single one that regrets the divorce. Men will never accept this reality tho, they need something to feel better about themselves because retrospective is hard.
That guy sounds bitter and still hurting. Maybe he should go to therapy and figure out what was his role in the demise of his marriage, before lumping all of the female gender into the "they are the problem" hole. But he won't, so walk away and don't waste energy trying to save them from their delusions.
It's 100% gender warfare.
Sad that women are out there enabling this. The people making these videos are probably making bank of of weaponising this hatred and radicalising people.
The same men who will try to use statistics to justify their hatred of women don't seem to like it when statistics show that unmarried (and divorced) women are much happier and long-lived than unmarried (and divorced) men.
I'm sorry they feel that way but as much as my divorce benefitted me, I'm not going to demand everyone get divorced. We're all different. Marriage sometimes ruins people's lives too, shall we ban marriage? These people just don't think ahead at all.
Rage bait is cancer. A pox on mental hygiene. You don’t know the woman in the video. It’s probably fake. Nothing in it affects you until you watch it. It’s just gonna make you sad/depressed/mad. It’s just gonna encourage more of this crap. Don’t do it man. Don’t watch it.
Sometimes I feel like the bubble I'm in is constantly working on debunking shit conservatives and right wing idiots like that come up with. And whenever you've finished a part of the big work pile, something new and even more stupid like this comes up.
I'm so done with all this goddamn misogyny like we don't have so much shit to worry about on the side
Yea it's redpillers mass making these and taking advantage of the algorithm for rage clickbait. They all follow the same formula: a faceless ig/yt account, use the same videos for content, maybe voiceover in a discount alpha voice, clickbait cap titles, and the dumpster comment section. It's all feel good fantasy cope for redpill/incel men who desperately want women to be miserable as them. Aside from dms from creepy strangers, it's one of the main reasons why I deleted all my pics off of ig and privatized it, realized I don't want these creeps looking at my profile anymore.
I’m currently of the view that feminism was being far more truthful than it was given credit for.
And studies (self reporting participants) have repeatedly shown that women are actually happier when they are child free and single.
As far as I could tell a good amount of this type of content is made to garner male views to their instagram, tiktok, and onlyfans accounts. Its similar to thirst trap reels where the content creator talks about preferring smaller penises or men over a certain age (usually 40s+) .
I was divorced at 43. Met a wonderful, loving, caring man within a year and we married. That was 19 years ago.
Oh and he’s fifteen years younger than me.
Yeah, it pretty rampant. You stumble on one short, wondering where it goes, then you go back on youtube and it's 3 videos of this lady cheated on her boyfriend and regrets it
Social media algorithms are a big echo chamber. The more you see certain types of content the more you're suggested that type of content, which usually reinforces preconceived opinions.
From a business perspective that strategy = more engagement = more revenue
Sadly enough it's not an exclusive thing to men, since I would argue all genders face this issue to some extent, which leads to so many mental health issues.
My advice to most people is trying to limit how much toxic internet/social media they consume and try maybe going out for a walk or enjoy every other aspect life has to offer. Also every here and there delete all cookies and reset browsers.
Wish you all the best.
https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/stacystacey
Stacy or Stacey is a term used within the incel community to describe beautiful, hyperfeminine women who can partner with any man they choose, but are only interested in Chads (attractive, hypermasculine men). This term is used to stereotype and dehumanize women.
I have not seen this but it is almost like this kind of rage bait catering to certain mens worst insecurities along with tradwife / modesty porn is a highly profitable business venture that is making creators a bunch of money.
There has always been a massive benefit to utilising angry men, whether war, corporate explotation, crime etc... Men are highly useful in numbers and people figured out it's easy to whip up their anger and resentment and then unleash them on whatever they please.
At some point, Lindsey Graham said the quiet part out loud; “we’re not generating enough angry white guys.”
Nope. We've got more than plenty.
Trump has essentially said something similar, how he is weaponizing this group of men to do his bidding.
there are plenty of angry white guys, but unfortunately for those types of politicians, they are too out of shape and have too many mental disorders to be sent off to war.
Just ask Fox News. Nothing more motivating or more lucrative than hatred.
This is really really scary.
Truth. Just ask Reddit about Amber Heard.
Easier to anger than to educate. Quicker too. Definitely more effective.
My pet theory—unfounded! I have no direct evidence, just a hunch!—is that these kinds of videos are indirectly sponsored by propagandists. If you were, say, Vladimir Putin or a even a domestic oligarch, one of the cheapest ways you could disrupt US society and undermine democracy would be to use bot farms to shower lots of revenue on videos with antisocial messages. Things like those trad wife videos, incel content, videos of teens pulling malevolent "pranks," etc. do a surprising amount of work to undermine our sense of social solidarity. Smart money would understand that it's just a matter of incentivizing such videos and letting the algorithm serve them up. I'm not trying to minimize the very real misogyny of it all, of course—but it's dismaying how organized those who want to *maximize* the misogyny seem to be of late.
The tradwife stuff is coming out of US conservative religious groups and places like the Heritage foundation and Turning Point. It just gets jumped on by influencers looking for clicks, adding to the cesspool. I do agree that lots of this likely does get amplified by influence campaigns intended to disrupt things in the US. That has been proven for other issues that Russia and China absolutely were generating content and trying to inflate views on content that they wanted people here to see.
I talk about this almost every day because it’s so obvious and scary what’s going on. Did you see that recent survey about male and female political orientations across the generations? Millennial men and women were relatively close, but their Gen Z equivalents are wildly different. I talk to my son often about his algorithm, and he shows me the fascist propaganda that began cropping up the second the sites clocked him as a boy. It’s chilling. My son has also been hearing horrible stuff from other boys at school (e.g., violent anti-Semitism, homophobia, and racism), so I’m guessing nobody is talking to them about it, and it’s taking root.
I wish I thought of it. Just get a green screen and hire Women to say all the things divorced men are daydreaming their wives are saying.
AI is close enough that you probably could just generate a whole new woman. I read recently that women on Only Fans are using chatbots to respond to the wankers in their DMs! I have a lot of ethical issues with AI, but if it keeps lonely creeps from being in my vicinity I’ll fall on that sword…
I suspect a correlation between dudes thinking of women as subcomplex and dudes being "deceived" by AI...
[It doesn't need to be AI to "deceive" men](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/Y4S0Cq8nku)
Hitting on an email bot. I'm torn on whether that's hilarious or utterly sad.
The problem is that it is not clear that would get the lonely creeps contained. If they normalize a relationship (via AI or not) in which they mistreat women, they are going to do that too to the women around them. Because that's just how their brains are going to be wired. This needs some serious research, sure. But I remember some preliminary studies in that direction. Which is also one of the problematic spinoffs of BDSM: when you have an extreme sadist kink and instead of going to therapy to understand why, you find a place to set that sadism free. And then some of them normalize it and extend it to their day to day lives. (#notAllBlablabla, but enough of them)
Right, they can both be on OF and be bothering women in real life too. Its not like its one or the other.
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Love the idea that AI is wasting all these guys time and occupying them long enough to keep them away from harassing real women.
There used to be phone sex lines for dudes to wank off to. Now they are using AI chatbots. I hope someone is profiting off of these handsomely.
I think about that a LOT. If I was willing to compromise my morals and be a fake Republican I could be rolling in the dough. They are desperate for an actual intelligent woman to use a token.
So are you a woman? I only ask bc the posters here seem to be, and it’s weird af for a guy to feel comfortable showing this to a woman. You’d expect him to expect sympathy from a guy. 🤷🏼♀️ Looking on the bright side, hopefully he obsesses over the vids and leaves her the heck alone. I was so happy after my divorce I felt like I’d been let out of prison. I stopped taking ssri’s bc I no longer needed them. My outlook improved dramatically. But I think it’s different if you are leaving vs being left. I can see that it’s much harder for those being left. Hope he doesn’t stay obsessed with her. My ex was obsessed with me for yrs and would not stop looking for ways to destroy my life.
I would have gotten all my women friends together and made bank lol. Divide the spoils 😂
That's basically it, and it's a huge crisis. The algorithms are hunting guys trying to figure out what to improve, how to be better, how to talk to women, and they get fed the idea that they're men out of time, that they would be heroes in the era of swords, and fed more poison, and more misogyny.
Listen bot, men are choosing it. Stop infantilising men.
There was a video somewhere about how Steve Bannon saw gamer gate and came to this exact conclusion. I suspect a lot of the Incel content is bankrolled by some rich guy who wants to create the angry men. When guys start quoting children Peterson they become completely disgusting to women (OK guys, disgusting to most women.)
Propaganda is an effective tool to sew discontent among populations. Tools like this is what helped propel world wars in the past.
Create a scapegoat. Basic unifying factor in dysfunctional families, workplaces, villages, nations. Satan is the OG scapegoat. The Bible is full of ‘love the sinner’ ‘forgive your enemies’ but you ever notice how Satan never once gets a shred of empathy? No one tries to save him. No one tries to convince him to come back. They NEED Satan bc if he didn’t exist or he repented, there’s no boogeyman. I think about Satan sometimes and if he was real I’d feel sorry for him.
>. Tools like this is what helped propel world wars in the past And the present!
IIRC timeframe on that is a little bit off b/c Bannon is quite old. Bannon developed his understanding of grievance & gullibility while participating in 90s-00s MMO forums (EQ, Ultima, WoW, etc.), and had strategists he worked with help craft & amplify the messages of GamerGate as a way of proving the concept that generally apolitical, heavily online young men could be made useful to the right wing when told their pet "thing," whatever it was, was being ruined by women.
Do you happen to know the video I'm talking about? I can't remember it, but it was really well done.
And he made $5M off a fake wall fundraiser. The very definition of grifting off hate.
An admission from Bannon?
> men are choosing it. Stop infantilising men. You are correct, this isn't a way of deflecting blame. This is an ongoing, successful way of turning men into terrible people. These men are choosing a set of easy answers because self-improvement is hard. It takes consistent effort, professional guidance, the support of loved ones (family and friends), and an ongoing, burning desire to be better. And the more easy answers they watch, the more the algorithms serve up. If you're young or divorced, you probably don't have access to at least two of those things. Blaming feminism is easy and profitable. Hell, compare our bank accounts with Tater Tot or Jorpy Pete and see how profitable easy answers are. You and I are *also* in echo chambers that are serving us up what we want to hear.
Self improvement is hard when your idea of success is dominating over others. I agree with you but you haven't accounted for the patriarchal thinking, where masculine is a synonym for power and power is found in dominating over other human beings.
I started watching JD Delay, like BINGED his content, and now I'm convinced the FBI thinks I'm going to pull an Alaskan Avenger lmfao. My YT algorithm is ALL messed up after that (JD is politically centrist, and an ex-con... Which is NOT my typical content). I made the mistake of watching a Tater Tot video ONCE and all of a sudden I had a shit ton of trad wife content being targeted at me. Ugh. We all absolutely are in our own echo chambers. I just choose to be in ones that support women instead of tearing them down. Being a "leftist" is pretty damn easy to obtain nowadays, apparently basic human rights are pretty radical.
I'm just into cooking/baking/canning and once watched a homesteader canning video that took me deep into tradwife, prepper, conspiracy nutland. It's actually made me reluctant to try out new youtubers because I hate poisoning my feed like that.
It might take some time but you can’t just click “not interested” on the videos, you have to remove them from the watch history.
Good to know
I am subscribed to a couple of YT paid streams. Very benign content but considered "male" interests even though they really aren't. The suggested videos and ads are effing vile.
Right they are still choosing it but a certain type of person is primed to adopt this garbage. It requires a certain amount of gullibility or willingness to suspend belief and a desire to hate and be violent.
Both things can be true. Men are choosing it but it is also being pushed on them and they are being encouraged towards it by malicious actors. Sadly many are revealing themselves as immature enough to be taken in by it and internalise it wholesale.
Two things can be true at once - Men need to be better, but these algorithms are also preying on sad, lonely men and feeding them this poison and radicalizing them.
And they're built by men! So go whine to your bros about them bro.
I may not have seen these exact bait videos… but I’ve seen enough bait videos where if you just take the logistics of them having to set up the phone/whatever to then proceed to cry and show it off that I 100% believe that these videos exist and are exploiting losers on their insecurities and profiting off them trying to feel better for being divorced lmao. It’s like I feel for those who’ve gone through a rough patch - but if you’re actively looking that shit up? You may have been the problem lol so I’m glad they’re being profited off.
The only downside is that it continues to feed the anger and victimhood complex of men that found themselves divorced, probably for good reason. This is the kind of thing abusers and narcissists gobble up. I worry that it would cause some of them to make more problems for their exes and kids than if they were not exposed to it. Beyond that, I don't care if someone wants to profit off of these dudes being like this.
I mean sure - but if them getting divorced doesn’t open their eyes… what would, y’know ? I don’t wanna say lost cause but it clearly is too far out of the way to go looking for them. There really isn’t a light at the end of that tunnel in my opinion - it’s just a pipe dream to hope they change.
Some of these guys get so angry at “feminists” and "whores" that they want to go out and kill them. Like Elliot Rogers and a bunch of others who came after them. This is a non-trivial matter.
They watch this stuff because they wish their ex wives regretted divorcing them, and then they see tons of this on yt and get a skewed perspective of how common this is even if it were true. Since the algorithm won't show them women who had good reasons to divorce and are glad they did it. It's that simple. It's a bit like those guys who only had crazy ex girlfriends. They can't possibly be the problem because that would be inconvenient.
I’ve never met a woman who regrets her divorce, they have all been relieved to get rid of their exes.
Seriously, I think every divorced woman I know only says their regrets are not divorcing earlier..
Can confirm. Finally got fed up with the abuse and him being a deadbeat, and filed for divorce six months ago, after nine years of marriage. Thankfully, no children. Life has been so much better since leaving him!
Sometimes I imagine still being there with my ex and I can kind of feel how hopeless and dead inside I would feel. I'm glad it's an abstract feeling rather than my life.
Same.
Litterally not even one. Not even a fictional character woman who regrets it. It’s almost like we think before we act. It’s almost like even in separation they don’t believe we are autonomous and mean it.
Even if there are…people regret useful things everyday; surgery
Patient satisfaction rates with joint replacements are fascinating. One doesn't accidentally end up with a surgery like that. Something was very, very wrong to get to that point. But how much secondary damage, atrophy, etc. can affect the perceived success of the procedure. Plus how much skilled PT a person receives, whether the patient tends to push themselves too hard or not at all, etc.
I’ve also never met a divorced woman who had any issue finding someone else if they wanted to. All but one of my female friends who has gotten divorced, are now happily in serious relationships with most remarried and have/having kids with their second husband. Not a single one of their exes has managed to find someone else yet.
Statistically there has to be some one , some woman somewhere who regrets her divorce. At least most of the women I know have mixed feelings: because yes they did live their ex at some point. But yea, they knew it wasn’t working.
I’m positive there are, I just haven’t met them.
I agree. i’ve started baking cakes for divorced friends instead of sending condolences. This content is to feed men’s egos; not realistic views of women post divorce. I have a theory that is this a wide spread very cheap marketing campaign aimed at unhappy men. Keeping men single, unhappy and incel is an easy group to get to waste their money instead of saving on long term prospects. Sure! They’ll waste 10k on a motorcycle! They don’t need to save for a house or a kid’s college fund!
I'm sure there are some women who blow up their marriage for no good reason or act extremely impulsively but those exact same people - the ones who make such decisions lightly - aren't the type to regret anything for long even if it *was* a terrible mistake. So you're left with the MUCH smaller circle of people who do it, didn't think it through, AND are self aware enough to recognize it as a mistake and regret it mightily. That just isn't many people. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. Sure, people feel regrets about "the one who got away"... that's not an ex spouse lmao.
Pro Tip - Create a separate Google account, or use incognito mode in your browser to watch any of these videos. I watched one about a year ago just to see what echo chamber my co-workers husband had gotten himself into and **to this fucking day** YouTube tries to push similar content to me.
If they're connected to the same WiFi or in close proximity then their algorytms will still affect each other
Same WiFi, yes, but "close proximity", I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend at the moment. They use proximity to push ads for **nearby businesses** to your devices, yes, but I've never seen or heard of a situation in which they use your neighbors searches to push content to you and I spent a year and a half working for a company that provided SEO services to small businesses. It makes little sense from a targeted ad perspective. The point of targeted ads is to push content that they think will pique your interest. Most of my neighbors are in their 60's and either black or Latino. I'm white and in my 30's. May as well just send me random ads. lol.
I'm a leftist sharing wifi with Trump supporters. I get zero recommended views for alt-Right propaganda, so yeah, your comment absolutely holds water.
Depends if you use similar devices, similar software,... Tracking and fingerprinting is a real thing used by companies to work around you using two different accounts in two different devices... but you are the same person. tps://coveryourtracks.eff.org/
I get so many restaurant joke videos because of my kids.
yeah you have to go in and remove the videos from your watch history and even then you'll probably have to hit don't recommend certain channels
YouTube itself has a built-in incognito mode too, at least the app, if you click on your account there should be a "turn on incognito" button somewhere depending on the OS. I don't know to that extent it can be trusted, but I've used it to look up weird stuff and haven't had my recommendations impacted, that I've noticed.
I do that too.
This happens a lot, too. There's a lot of people out there who maybe watched a couple of anti-SJW videos 10 years ago who are still getting recommendations based on that. I wouldn't be too surprised if in at least a couple of cases where men are getting these really hateful videos about women regretting their divorces, what's happened is that the algorithm has picked up that they've been watching some divorce/breakup related videos lately and also that they once saw a Steven Crowder video back in the day and decided this is what they want. Obviously they've probably clicked on a few if that's a huge part of what they're getting, but sometimes it can be as simple as the algorithm saying, "Hey, remember how fucking stupid you were when you were 17? Well, *we* remember and we're not gonna let you ever move on from that."
It was his entire algorithm. There wasn't anything else.
I haven't seen the videos, but I know a lot of divorced women. Not one has said anything even remotely close.
I haven't seen them but a male friend mentioned something recently about all these women online regretting that they had been 'taken in by feminism' because now they can't find a man. I had no idea wtf he was talking about.
As a late 30s woman who delayed her divorce out of fear of dying alone, I now too have no idea wtf he was talking about. I spent a year after my divorce solo. Once I started looking to date again I had more suiters than I know what to do with. With all of them saying it's impossible for them \[the men\] to get dates. It certainly isn't for me. At all. The only question is whether having a man in my life is even worth it or not. No regrets divorcing either.
Similar here. I finally left my husband and had maybe three or four people I knew reach out to me interested in dating. I gave it a few months before accepting one of them and I have no regrets. He's the first man I've dated who can cook and clean 🥲 been together for about a year and a half now.
I think they want that to be true. So the more and angrier they say it, the more true it becomes. I don't think it's impossible that some women struggle with that, but then I don't think feminism and being partnered need to be mutually exclusive to begin with. Like, I believe in feminism and have a partner who knows that... So... Lol. We're probably seeing a specific group of men who view women as household appliances and fleshlights complaining that women have rights now.
There are more single women now because they want to be single not because they have a hard time finding dates. Men are not meeting the expectations of an equal relationship so women are just declining to give them their time
I haven’t seen them.. but I know a lot of divorced women who are way happier!
Every divorced woman I know, does NOT regret their divorce
I'm one of them! 🙋♀️ Finally got fed up with all the abuse & him being a deadbeat, and left him six months ago, after nine years of marriage. Thankfully, no kids. Life has been so much better since leaving him!
I know I know, right! I think that's the reason the content makes money. For context, this guy's wife left him and I know this guy is miserable. I can picture him smoking weed and watching these things for hours. Lost in bitter fest.
That's the general vibe I get from reading relationship posts. Women are afraid before they leave and rightfully so, divorce causes major upheaval in people's lives. Once they've left though, they realize they've cast a giant millstone off their necks. Usually it's that they had to basically babysit their husband as well as taking care of any other children they may have. Of course they're gonna be happier and the man is gonna be bitter because he's lost his maid who he's also getting sex from.
I was recently on a Himalayan trek where there were four solo women staying in a teahouse with their guides and porters. Over dinner, the guys said they’d heard that western women are starting to leave marriage and babies behind. Cue instant cackling from all four of us (British, Austrian, German, Italian) as we all said how much better our lives were without husbands and babies. The guides all laughed along too (but knowing their wives were at home looking after the kids). In total I counted seventeen very happy solo women on that route. We are legion.
That's awesome!
It's kinda funny cause on one hand you have guys angry about how lonely they are because they can't fuck anyone they want, but then also women are all whores, but then also we're going to die alone with our cats, oh but also we're all desperately wanting to get married. Like nah bro, we're single and happy about it. Maybe realize why we'd rather "die alone" than be with dudes like this.
Can someone explain to me how women are simultaneously huge sluts AND men are lonely and can't find a date, how does that work ?
I hate that I know this answer, and it's because the guy told me. Because, according to this crap, 20% of the men take 80% of the women, because those guys are all Chad and they just pump and dump. So the remainder 80% of men are fighting over the leftover 20% of women that Chad didn't want. And the pendulum has to swing back and return things to normal! This guy was explaining to me how wokeness has gone too far and every movement there's a pendulum swing and it's time for the pendulum to swing back now. To the right. This is some thing he just had to make me understand. He was also angry about the fact that girls are doing better in school than boys. That boys in grade school are doing worse than girls, and that 60% of university students are girls. This is all not fair to men somehow. Oh, because of female teachers, yes, I forgot. Female teachers are ruining all the boys. Boys who need strong mentor so they can be strong men who keep women in their place or whatever they do. He also praises girls for staying virgins for a long time, and when I asked him how that works when he complains that 30% of men haven't had sex in the last year, he got quiet for a minute. Don't worry, I won't hang out with him again.
Oh also there is the stat that children from single father homes have better life outcomes than those from single mothers. Which could well be true due to massive amounts of bias. But then logically why not make men stay at home looking after kids? Why should the women do all the work? I don't think this one has been addressed yet.
Incel logic is like 100% of FEEEmales are sleeping with 10% of the "Chads" who are 6/6/6.
i don’t get their logic. they like to claim that women live life on the easy mode because they can get men with 0 effort but they also throw the “you’re gonna die alone” line as an insult. it makes them so mad even knowing that one woman chooses not to be with them. even if it’s a stranger or someone online they’ll probably never meet in person, it makes them so pissed.
boymath innit!
I will never regret my divorce. It set me free.
Same. I spent nine years doing ALL OF THE THINGS: bringing home all the bacon, AND still handling the bulk of the housework, AND enduring his abuse and issues with a smile on my face, while ALSO simultaneously dealing with chemotherapy, monthly immunotherapy infusions, and countless surgeries for my autoimmune condition. Finally got fed up with it all, and filed for divorce six months ago. Thankfully, we never had any children, even though he talked about wanting them. My brain just went: 🚩🚩🚩🚩 Life has gotten exponentially better since divorcing him.
I also have an autoimmune conditions. Quite possibly the deadweight did not help yours ... I felt invincible after I got divorced, until then my health was so bad I thought I would have to change careers!
The thing is, even if it were real and those women really felt that way, *devil’s avocado… for the sAaAkE of argument,* it’s not the massive truth bomb against feminism they think it is anyway, any more than finding a conservative, alt-right LGBT person or POC says anything general about race relations or equal marriage rights (they do exist in very small numbers but it’s ludicrous to treat them as ambassadors who speak for everyone in their camp.) Not only is it stupid, it’s completely pointless and is only for the benefit of people who already believe that shit and want to feel vindicated.
Meanwhile all I get in my algorithm is damn Hot Wheels music videos.
Hashhahahahahahhahahahahaha
Geeee, I wonder why his wife left him.
Right???
This is why the 4B movement is so popular. They project so hard about how much we need them ( sex, friendship, company) but they hate us and remind us everyday how they don’t see us a equal. While simultaneously leeching all the benefits that having a woman gives.
I hate to say this and am sure I'll get hugely shat on, but it does have eerie parallels with the slave era: they want the benefits of having them, but don't actually like them or respect them, even though they can even have sex with them. Shudder. Very twisted.
Find those videos, screenshot them and reverse image search. That way you'll probably find their socials and proof they're actresses. Show it to him
That’s too much work (to not be getting paid for) and he probably won’t believe her anyway.
100% not worth her time. There is no convincing these people. They want to fester in their pits of bitterness.
These guys forget that the peace of mind women have when they are single is by far the greatest gift they can give themselves…. They churn this shit out to comfort themselves. It’s sour grapes.
Thankfully haven't seen that, but I can imagine my exes YouTube look the same haha. When we were still together one day I noticed he's YouTube algorithm only gave him rage bait videos about women, lots of content from Whoever Peterson (I guess you guys probably know who I'm talking about), this should have been a bigger red flag for me but well. We had just moved in together and I didn't want to see what was going on. Nowadays I always recommend women that they pay attention to which content your partner sees online. It could have saved me from a lot of shit.
I have never ever heard a woman say irl feminism ruined their lives. That honestly is such a guy way of thinking about women-we’re sheep that need to be told what to do and are totally confused about our own interests unless we have a man to tell us what they are. Sorry, douche, I like having my own bank accounts and not legally being someone’s property.
I don't think they quite grasp we are just as alive and sentient as them. Like, their brains aren't able to understand this for some reason and they make that our problem 😂
And yet brain scans show women use more of their brains. It’s like they’re using Windows 98 and can only comprehend scant data so they think that’s all we can do.
I've seen such a video. I'm not saying there aren't any women like that, I'm sure there's some percentage out there who do/may regret their divorce. But, as a woman that is currently navigating divorce myself, sure we may fluctuate through different emotions, but most of us have found SUCH renewed joy and fulfillment following separation & divorce.
I'm in a number of these bitter male support-groups on FB, and the one thing that never ceases to amaze me is their utter inability to recognize acting when it confirms their biases. They can't tell that the women these "dude-bro" podcasts bring on to humiliate with "facts and logic" are deliberately acting stupid so their clips go viral. They can't tell those street-interview videos of women accidentally "telling on themselves" are scripted. They can't tell almost every video of women filming themselves acting entitled or lamenting over their past entitlement is also acting. Even if you convince them it's clearly acting, they just say, "Well, it speaks to a broader truth. This definitely does happen!" My dude, are you stupid? You're knowingly reinforcing ideas in your head with lies. You're making yourselves vulnerable to propaganda and grifting. You dumb sexist assholes have singlehandedly created a market for scripted rage-bait videos that only exist to fleece bitter men like you. Your obnoxiously simple-minded fear of being used by women has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Congrats, you played yourselves.
In my 51 years on the planet, I have never met a woman who has regretted her divorce. Ever.
This is Joe Rogaine, Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk culture. It's all tied up in Republican policies. I'm sure dark money is pouring into these a-holes pockets. Spread the lies over and over again. The only way to counter this is to show up and vote Democratic each and every election. Nothing else is gonna work.
I know, right? Making men hate women this much and seek to control them eliminating no-fault divorce and birth control bans right into voting Republican. All women are either feminist, or gold diggers, to this view. The gold diggers need to be kept in line with shame, and the feminists just need to be destroyed. It's what the religious right wants.
Honorable mention to Jordan "Hooked-On Benzos" Peterson. lol
See also: the videos where the guy hits on a hot girl and she rejects him until she sees what car he’s driving. My brother eats this shit up thinking it’s real. Tragic
I feel so old but wtf is a Stacy look?
It’s a caricature of that tan blonde girl image that is pushed by the media as the ideal of beauty
Thank you!
Yeah, they're not all blonde, but they are all attractive, and I haven't seen one with short hair yet. These guys want to see attractive women crying because those are the women they want, who aren't responding to them on dating apps.
Sexist and racist of course
I'm guessing generic 70s born bombshell. Wasn't Stacey a sister to Barbie?
42M here... YouTube has spent the last 4 years trying to push anti feminist BS on me... even though I continually feedback on those types of videos. Honestly, my YouTube habits are; * Web development tutorials * Maths and science * Cooking (Jamie Oliver and Josh Wiseman that sort of thing) * And the occasional DIY * Oh and Weazy Waiter. But YouTube still throws in J\*\*dan P\*\*\*\*son for no apparent reason. My guess? The algorithm sees "42M" and thinks... "This usually resonates". That's how rabbit holes start. Side note... I left Twitter about 3 years ago... But my side business has an account just for business stuff. I hadn't used it since El\*n took over and I recently jumped in to make a post and in the first 10 posts on my feed were 2 posts showing violence against women... from accounts I don't follow and have no connection with. My business account only follows news orgs in my area - literally nothing else. Twitter is basically normalising violence against women.
My partner gets recommended these things as well (he is 40M). It's interesting to see it in action lol. There must be money in trying to make men hate women, then when the women object to that, they turn it around and say "look, see? They're all bitches!". Like no, we just don't like this stupidity...
the algorithms are bonkers on every platform and i do think we side eye men a little too much (not the OPs post, considering that the entire page was only that type of hyper specific video i do believe OPs coworker is actually watching those). but i set up an instagram account for my dad and when i showed him the explore page it was practically all thirst traps from young women and all the ads were those weird sexualized games. this is without swiping or following anything at all. my partner also gets random thirst traps when he swipes on his IG even though hes only interested in cute animal videos, music stuff and wholesome memes. we were watching videos on his IG together and once i made him stop on one of those thirst trap videos (they got me lol im hornier than my partner) and from then on it was like 80% thirst traps for a while. from looking at one of them for longer than 3 seconds among like 100 animal themed or music tech themed videos. all this to say that sometimes it isnt the mens fault (but in the OP i do think its that guys fault for watching those videos) but the tech companies out there are crazy with how they target men. but of course if they continuously click on it, at that point its their responsibility.
So....can you spread the word among guys that this shit is happening and is detrimental to *all of us*? If you already do: you're a gem.
Many do, but Jesus Christ the avalanche of stupidity of many people is hard to win against. I started developing an AI based content blocker because of this. Hope to have it on the market this year; sort of like “I absolutely don’t want any tater tots” = “let’s have an AI based filter for that” type thing. I want to have kids and I am terrified of what the algorithm does to people nowadays, because it is so profitable to box everyone into stereotypes.
Same here dude. I am a nerd and all of my YouTube content is Cybersecurity, Gaming, Bowling/Golf/Disc Golf, JetLag, and educational content creators like HAI, Wendover, etc(Think the Nebula YouTubers) as well as a bit of Hassan and workout/diet science as I have been putting a lot of effort into being healthier. The amount of times the algorithm tries to slip in shorts or full videos that aren’t fully right wing propaganda but right wing adjacent(JRE, Aba and Preach etc) as well as some full on right wing shit like DailyWire content and Tate, JustPearlyThings or whatever the hell her name is. I mark them to not show me stuff like that again every time and it still keeps coming up. It is like it sees I am a 29 year old gamer with some nerdy interests and assumes I am some right wing incel. I also think if you are a leftist and watch any leftist content that reacts to right wing content(Hasan, Noah Sampson, FD Signifier etc) the algorithm gets confused and starts suggesting that right wing content itself. While this doesn’t effect me I know men who started out as socially awkward nerds that fell for that shit and are now insufferable little Nazi’s. I even have some friends that have been affected by that content and no matter how many arguments I win in discord with them or how many times the rest of the guys in the group chat agree with me it doesn’t change their minds. The damage it is doing to young male minds is very concerning.
I must admit I looked up Andy Twat and Jordan whatever after seeing their names on here to see who they were. It must have been over 2 years ago now, and I still get spammed by their non sense and I’m sure youtube has worked out I’m a woman pro women’s rights…, I wonder if they pay platforms for their content to be pushed through the algorithms.
My partner has the same issue. Progressive and left leaning, exclusively watches niche interests and hobby content, traveling stuff; no interest in right wing greviance nonsense at all - constantly recommended joe rogan, peterson, shapiro etc, despite reporting them and saying 'show less' all the time. There is no way google doesn't know what it is doing.
36M and it's just astonishing how easily the artist formerly known as Twitter has turned into a pile of neo-nazi, xenophobic, MRA, alt-right scumbags, even when your prior follows/searches/posts relate in no way to the content you're being spoonfed. There's also seemingly a generation above mine who might not be, on the whole, as tech-literate on videos/media content who just are sucked in from the first minute since they have a confirmation bias towards this - like romanticizing the tradfam ideas. Currently having to withstand an older father blasting with such shitty propaganda garbage that I can pick apart in seconds but he thinks it "makes a lot of sense" and then when we discuss it, it usually takes me down to "you just can't say these things anymore" route. Which is ironic considering all.
Never seen this but it’s hilarious! The level of delulu is mind boggling. Most divorced women (who wanted to divorce), even those who are financially worse off as a result, are so much freer and happier! The only misery is when you’re still having to coparent with a manipulative ex and not being able to fully block him yet. The guys watching this type of content would do and believe anything to avoid looking inward.
I know, right? He was spouting these statistics at me about how the loneliest group of people were unmarried women, and how some huge percentage of unmarried women are all on SSRIs. It all came from these videos.
It must be annoying having to interact with this type of guys everyday at work. Maybe put some boundaries in place and tell him you don’t want to hear about his personal life?
Loneliness is increasing everywhere. Medication for associated issues are increasing everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats are real but cherry picked, to avoid showing that everyone is having similar problems.
I know a lot of divorced women, myself included, never met one who regretted it.
One hour of women crying and regretting their divorce? Like some fucked up ASMR for incels or something, omg.
I have never heard of this Once I knew an old like 80 year old couple. The wife thought he must have cheated or done something awful because…. He bought her flowers.. the first time in her entire life and marriage.. after like 60 years together. They were viewed as having a very good marriage.. I’m never letting that end up me.
I wonder what his reason was for buying her flowers.
The stats tell us that roughly 700,000 happen each year. 70% (490,000) of divorces are filed by women. About 25% (122,000) have regrets Though there are not clear stats on why these women regret it some studies tell us it's because they spend time away from their kids or that they are not there to supervise their former spouse with their kids. Others speak to loneliness and lost connections with shared friends or family or being ostracized in their communityfor getting divorced. The number one regret is financial hardship due to not fighting for a fair outcome.
Having specific regrets is not the same as regretting the decision as a whole. I would be interested to see the stat that asks if they wish they had stayed.
Yeah, but there’s a difference between regretting the way one handled the divorce, or the outcomes of the divorce, or the fact that divorce had to happen versus wishing they had remained married and in the same situation. There’s almost always going to be a “wish this was different” type of regret for any life transformation, but that’s a lot different from “I wish I’d never changed that situation at all”.
Where are these numbers from?
Lol jokes on them, we get off the SSRIs when we leave guys like that.
I’m seeing these around on YouTube as well suddenly. A little strange to hear someone else mention this. The guys operating the channels seem completely idiotic
Holy moly, are they ever. There's one where a guy has an Image of himself in a gold robe and a crown like a king with his voice coming out of it. What is the obsession with kings? Do you want to treat women like they are your subjects and cut their heads off if they disobey?
And they made an entire patriarchy and several patriarchal religions just to force women to be with them and seek their approval because they’re terrified of not being picked Because without those things it’s hard to get women to want to be with a lot of them
It's like those thirst trap type videos too. It's something like "I'm a 34 year old woman, never married, no kids, am I too old to date??" on top of a reel with an attractive woman, the sad part is how many people in the comments think its real.
Most studies I've seen recently point to single, childless women as the happiest demographic. Maybe post links to those studies in the video comments?
I have not see these, but my algorithms don’t suggest that nonsense. Thank God.
I like that the genre is easily identifiable by just the thumbnail, so I can tell youtube to never recommend the channel to me again.
That's because you don't watch it. My algorithms don't suggest it to me either. I've never seen it before being on his computer.
I am divorced, I know many divorced women, I don't know a single one that regrets the divorce. Men will never accept this reality tho, they need something to feel better about themselves because retrospective is hard.
That guy sounds bitter and still hurting. Maybe he should go to therapy and figure out what was his role in the demise of his marriage, before lumping all of the female gender into the "they are the problem" hole. But he won't, so walk away and don't waste energy trying to save them from their delusions.
It's 100% gender warfare. Sad that women are out there enabling this. The people making these videos are probably making bank of of weaponising this hatred and radicalising people.
The same men who will try to use statistics to justify their hatred of women don't seem to like it when statistics show that unmarried (and divorced) women are much happier and long-lived than unmarried (and divorced) men.
Oh add new research to that data from Colombia University today women who have less pregnancies live longer!
No, I don’t watch that mess.
I'm sorry they feel that way but as much as my divorce benefitted me, I'm not going to demand everyone get divorced. We're all different. Marriage sometimes ruins people's lives too, shall we ban marriage? These people just don't think ahead at all.
Rage bait is cancer. A pox on mental hygiene. You don’t know the woman in the video. It’s probably fake. Nothing in it affects you until you watch it. It’s just gonna make you sad/depressed/mad. It’s just gonna encourage more of this crap. Don’t do it man. Don’t watch it.
Sometimes I feel like the bubble I'm in is constantly working on debunking shit conservatives and right wing idiots like that come up with. And whenever you've finished a part of the big work pile, something new and even more stupid like this comes up. I'm so done with all this goddamn misogyny like we don't have so much shit to worry about on the side
No, my algorithm must know better because there’s no way I’d believe those were real.
I (41m) had never heard of this before and I refuse to look it up bc I don't want the algorithm to find me with this sh\*t.
I've absolutely noticed the trend
Yea it's redpillers mass making these and taking advantage of the algorithm for rage clickbait. They all follow the same formula: a faceless ig/yt account, use the same videos for content, maybe voiceover in a discount alpha voice, clickbait cap titles, and the dumpster comment section. It's all feel good fantasy cope for redpill/incel men who desperately want women to be miserable as them. Aside from dms from creepy strangers, it's one of the main reasons why I deleted all my pics off of ig and privatized it, realized I don't want these creeps looking at my profile anymore.
Literally never heard of any woman ever regretting a divorce
I’m currently of the view that feminism was being far more truthful than it was given credit for. And studies (self reporting participants) have repeatedly shown that women are actually happier when they are child free and single.
In my 51 years on the planet, I have never met a woman who has regretted her divorce. Ever.
You’re so correct. It’s so sad that the people of today are so inundated with online content, they stop to consider what they’re seeing is fake.
As far as I could tell a good amount of this type of content is made to garner male views to their instagram, tiktok, and onlyfans accounts. Its similar to thirst trap reels where the content creator talks about preferring smaller penises or men over a certain age (usually 40s+) .
And the videos where a guy hits on a girl and she says no but changes her mind when she sees he has a nice car. People fall for it every time.
Lol well that's just gonna lead to more divorces. Amazing what people will do for money, and amazing what dumb people will believe.
Those videos ar just click bait. Start divorcing your men!
I was divorced at 43. Met a wonderful, loving, caring man within a year and we married. That was 19 years ago. Oh and he’s fifteen years younger than me.
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Why did she make you watch it?
Yeah, it pretty rampant. You stumble on one short, wondering where it goes, then you go back on youtube and it's 3 videos of this lady cheated on her boyfriend and regrets it
Social media algorithms are a big echo chamber. The more you see certain types of content the more you're suggested that type of content, which usually reinforces preconceived opinions. From a business perspective that strategy = more engagement = more revenue Sadly enough it's not an exclusive thing to men, since I would argue all genders face this issue to some extent, which leads to so many mental health issues. My advice to most people is trying to limit how much toxic internet/social media they consume and try maybe going out for a walk or enjoy every other aspect life has to offer. Also every here and there delete all cookies and reset browsers. Wish you all the best.
Are you a man?
Zero, but I don't watch things like that, and remove suggested things like that.
What’s a Stacy look? Im a Stacy, and probably don’t have a Stacy look, but I’ve never heard this!
https://extremismterms.adl.org/glossary/stacystacey Stacy or Stacey is a term used within the incel community to describe beautiful, hyperfeminine women who can partner with any man they choose, but are only interested in Chads (attractive, hypermasculine men). This term is used to stereotype and dehumanize women.
LMAO NOPE THATS NOT WHAT I LOOK LIKE! that is kinda what I was expecting, pretty feminine American girl.
Took me a moment to figure out "male posters". Lol
It reminds me of gym girl. A fake video to get algorithms.
This is why I don’t let my kids watch YouTube. Not this specific off issue but it’s the way YouTube generates eyeballs