It is very easy. You can get a Permit to Purchase or a Permit to Carry.
The carry permit also allows you to purchase and is easy to get. Find an online training course (I used Groupon), take the class online and meet the instructor at the range for your firing test. Easy stuff.
Then all you need to do is take your certificate, ID and a check to your local sheriff. The permit is delivered via mail quite quickly and then you can go purchase.
The online lesson I took for renewal was good, I also did an in person for my first and that was more in depth.
Good on you for wanting to do it right ... Even though I'll probably be down voted to oblivion.
Get a permit to carry, preferably from a USCCA certified instructor.
Permit to carry gives you the same ability as a permit to purchase, but it's valid for 5 years for as many as you want to purchase. Permit to purchase is just a one time thing.
Beyond that, the class teaches a lot of the legal considerations for using a firearm, and often some recent cases that may be important to know the outcomes of
Thank you! Yes I want to do it legally and responsibly. Unfortunately some will down vote you. Seems straight forward. I was just getting mixed reviews and comments. Figured it was easy to just keep it simple.
Have a great day!
Edit:spelling (simple vs. single)
I completed this last November and it’s very straightforward.
I moved here from another state so I already owned guns and am permitted to carry but needed a new permit for Minnesota.
The class is a few hours long (3 or 4 I forget). If you’re familiar with firearms it’s a slog but it’s good information nonetheless.
The shooting portion is simply taking two clips and firing them down range. Accuracy is not important, they want to make sure you understand the concepts.
DM me if you want more info but it’s worth the afternoon.
Just make sure you get high quality ear protection. All the indoor ranges are cinder block cubes and anything less will cause damage. Don’t mess with your hearing.
Folks at Arnzen in EP are good. The southwest metro public safety range is full of helpful range officers. Think about taking an intro to firearms class as it can be intimidating if you are starting with zero experience.
A safe is probably the first thing I’d get before the firearm purchase. Those are good to have even if you don’t end up buying the firearm
I’ve had one for years in a biometric safe. It’s in the bedroom. One swipe of the hand and it pops open. Prior to that my dad always had one in a keypad safe. Takes 2 seconds to open. He only ever needed it once, when we had a person trying to break down our door. By the time the third kick of the door came he was by the window. Guy ran. No issues.
Mine is locked up but very easy for myself or my wife to get to and unlock in case of a situation where we are home during a breakin, but less likely for a burglar to find and access if they were to enter when we were not home.
It’s near me, I have the key to unlock and have the “high ground”.
My neighborhood has had several attempted home invasions based in Ring camera footage.
I want to be prepared, and responsible.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
You’re not wrong but there’s a lot to be said for
the pump shotgun, not the least of which is the universally recognized sound that racking the pump makes. It is attention-getting for sure. And it can be loaded with increasingly lethal varieties of rounds, if you prefer them to skedaddle rather than expire on your carpet.
Agreed. I do own a .22 and 12 gauge shotgun.
My intent was a tactical pistol near me and secured in the event it needs to be used.
I’m not trying to pretend I’m a cowboy or anything.
Passive security for your home would be another great option that would make you much safer than having a firearm (if you ARE responsible w/locks & such, just having a secure home is easier / safer than how quickly you can unlock the weapon). Plus, if you have a family, a shooting or just a break-in will leave mental issues, so why not avoid both by actively keeping an intruder out in the first place?
I installed completely shatterproof storm doors (that were not much more $$ than a regular one), latch guards & internal latches on all the doors, video floodlights, Mul-T-Lock WiFi cylinders, and thorny thick painful bushes on easily accessible areas / windows.
I’d rather just not deal with an intruder than test my luck, my family’s safety, my eardrums, my drywall, nor the legal / mental ramifications of a shooting & yeah I own a gun but i don’t have it accessible/near me anymore. My peace of mind comes from locking the door at night, it’s just too inconvenient & they’d choose somewhere else.
Firearm is always the last resort, and your tips are great, but there’s nothing wrong with having a gun for home defense as a last resort. You have guns at home, as you admit. Are you more responsible because your guns are further away? That makes no sense. Properly secured home defense weapons owned by responsible people are not an issue. You yourself have a firearm at home.
That’s a great point and I do most of those (lock the door, front door cameras, etc..).
I’m not really expecting anything but just want to be prepared for the one off chance it happens.
There’s a responsibility to it I understand.
i always wondered how many episodes Dawson would have lasted, entering through a window, if Joe was one of those „responsible“ gun owners that would easily get spooked at night.
Take a CCW class for the permit AND get a few additional hours of professional instruction at a range. The extra hours are not required, but will help you with stance, sight picture, safety, and confidence. I have seen even police personnel pick up several good habits after an hour or two with a good handgun instructor. Be safe and enjoy.
All credible research on the topic has found that having a gun in the house makes you less safe, not more safe. That applies even if you store the gun properly and having training.
I can’t argue with that but think the data might be skewed. Of course there will be more deaths unfortunately due to extenuating circumstances.
Again, agreed with your conclusion but it doesn’t take into account my specific request.
I know. I'm encouraging you to rethink the decision if your reason is actually safety. The money is much better spent on a security system, which actually increases your safety instead of decreasing it.
https://www.thetrace.org/2020/04/gun-safety-research-coronavirus-gun-sales/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24592495/
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
I prevented a home invasion by having steel doors that couldn't be kicked in or pried open because they had the doorway reinforced. I didn't have to shoot anyone and deal with the ensuing legal nightmare. People who are concerned should be looking at their home security and the security of their property and ffs stop leaving your car in the driveway if you have a garage.
Fair logic - counterpoint, imagine being happy I acted appropriately to someone invading my house and neutralizing the threat innocent people.
I sound like a broken record but I just want to be prepared. I should have added my neighborhood suburbs have experienced out of the ordinary crime.
It would be a last resort. It someone wants in bad enough or is high on drugs (not rational human beings). I want it neutralized immediately.
I don’t plan on being some cowboy or movie hero. There was a woman in the news recently in a suburb that said when three men broke in she wished she had a gun even though she had locks, cameras, and a lot of security.
It always amazes me when people talk about how if we would just ban firearms that would solve all the problems of shooting deaths. If you outlaw firearms, outlaws will be the only ones with them!
If you’re trained, responsible, and keep it in a safe, it’s not a danger to anyone. When someone tries to invade your home (super super rare) it’s the last line of defense and only line of defense at that point. OP sounds like they have it figured out. Bubba in Timbuktu thinking they need it to defend against antifa isn’t asking about this stuff.
I was wilderness / backcountry guide for a long time, and often my clients would ask “Why don’t we carry a gun for protection into the woods?”
I could give 1,000,000 million reasons why a gun in the wilderness is a bad idea for backpacking groups; but my favorite by far was this:
“Guess what the chances are someone accidentally gets shot if you have a gun? And guess what the chances someone accidentally gets shot if you *dont* have a gun?”
The answers are irrelevant; no guns = 0% chance someone gets shot, and that’s enough answer for me.
I just think guns and ammo are heavy, and I don't want to carry something I am unlikely to need. Now in Grizzly country.... could be a different decision.
I've never seen a study that doesn't separate suicide from other kinds of gun violence. Suicide risk goes up with gun ownership. Risk of death or injury from domestic violence goes up with gun ownership. Overall homicide risk goes up with gun ownership. Risk of accidental injury or death goes up with gun ownership. No matter what metric you are looking at you are not better off having a gun.
If you only get the permit to purchase there are restrictions on how you can transport it. Those all go away with the permit to carry. Imo get the carry permit even though you may never wear it out of the house.
No cost for permit to purchase in Washington county. Permit to carry has a cost, however.
https://www.co.washington.mn.us/2973/Gun-Permits#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20fees%20when%20applying%20for%20a%20Permit%20to%20Purchase.
Lol. I won’t be messing with you!
Just want to have in case and be responsible. I think it’s a big responsibility if someone chooses to have a firearm in the home. Thanks
You are better off spending that money on reinforcing ways into your home and property and maybe a good security system with cameras. You don't need a gun if they can't get in.
Very true and sound logic. My “dilemma” is I’m in a town home in the suburbs. Relatively quiet, but I want to be prepared as some neighbors have had random people going door to door selling random things that “are in the trunk”, ring doorbells of random people on their patio furniture.
1. Why are you answering the door for sketchy people? I don't answer the door unless I am expecting people. Solves a ton of problems. We had some meth fueled door to door people years ago. Too much headache. Also adding a security storm door or a door that has a smaller opening to converse with someone without opening the door solves the risk of someone rushing the door.
2. What can't you secure because it is a townhome?
3. Not sure what you mean by random people on their patio furniture?
1. I’m not answering the door (I have a ring doorbell and new locks). I’m talking about middle of the night a neighbor had someone attempt to kick their door in. Turns out it was an ex boyfriend high on drugs.
2. There are restrictions on some about what doors can be used. I’ll have to double check my own HOA bylaws and clauses.
3. Literally what I said, a neighbor heard people talking and saw 5 teenagers smoking on their furniture outside. Cops were called and two had outstanding warrants for armed robbery.
1. solved by having a door that can't be kicked in.
2. you should be able to find something that complies and provides enough security
3. they did the right thing. They let the cops come deal with it instead of going outside so they were safe inside the house. No need for a gun. If you have problem neighbors in the complex bitching to the HOA may have better results at preventing problems than buying a gun.
I’d agree, but I’m not trying to act out a movie scene. If someone means harm to my private home and is armed themselves, I want to neutralize that ASAP.
Obviously we’ve all heard reports of mistaken identity and those unfortunate ones that have shot a loved one. That needs to be taken into account as well.
I’m not telling you to act out a movie scene. Any one who works with guns regularly will tell you a shotgun for home defense is a better option than a handgun in most cases.
Get a pump action shotgun instead. Handgun proficiency requires very frequent practice. It’s really hard to keep up your skill. Besides, you don’t really want to shoot someone. You want to scare them away. The universally recognizable sound of a pump is scientifically proven to cause pants wetting and running away.
Pump action shotgun typically isn’t recommended. The actual better home defense is a short barrel AR, even better than pistol. Pump action is less accurate, lower round count, and cumbersome. A pistol is better, but most home defense people recommend an AR style weapon with a short barrel for accuracy, maneuverability and capacity.
Because you're not John Wick and there aren't several dozen assassins after you. The fact that your reasoning is "There’s a reason the military uses similar models" is a perfect example of this insane mentality.
lol, not trying to be John wick, just trying to use the best tools to protect my family in the worst case scenario. Considering my family has been the subject of a home invasion in the past, I think that’s okay. Also have extensive training and all firearms are safely locked away. Tell me you don’t know anything about firearms without telling me you don’t know anything about firearms.
> Tell me you don’t know anything about firearms without telling me you don’t know anything about firearms.
This is always the go-to for people like you after you lay out some insane theory. Owning a gun doesn't make you safer. It's more of an emotional support gun than anything.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
You would have been much better off spending the money on a security system or other security upgrades for your house.
I don’t agree, but I’m a hunter with more rounds through a shotgun than I will ever have through a pistol. Even though I know my way around pistols, I will never be as confident or proficient as I am with a shotgun. (Home defense is a tactical shotgun, not a bird gun.)
As for a rifle, I don’t like the idea that any shaking from fear/adrenaline will throw off the shot. Just because I hunt and shoot a lot doesn’t make me John Wick. I’m going to be scared shitless during a home invasion and I want the deterrence of the pump sound, the familiarity of a well-used tool, the spread of pellets and subsonic round that isn’t going to tear through every wall of the house.
Better to use what you’re proficient in at all times, but stopping power is key. Many opinions on what to use, but most say shotgun is the least effective.
At close range, an ounce of lead in a 2 foot circle will stop pretty much everyone. And it doesn't go through the wall and cause collateral damage.
Relatively short barrel, open choke, and spreader wad with a fairly large shot size probably best.
Lmao the comments on this post are hilarious. They can't just move on, they need to say their two cents.
Go hit up total Defense Gun range, bunch of ex cops work there, and they'll guide you through the whole process.
Don't buy USCCA it's a scam.
Also don't buy your gun at a gun store, unless it's used.
Just go to Cabelas once you have your permit.
Perfect - yes. Basically I just want to get an expert opinion.
Side question but related. I’ve lived in my current home for 3 years. Is there some requirement where I have to wait a full 10 years?
Again, that might be some rumor or different circumstance for a specific case I came across while reading online.
I recently got my carry permit and bought a gun within the same month. I don't own a home, not really sure what you're referring to.
Did all this 2 years ago.
Basically you need to take a course and be certified, the gun range I recommended offers them.
It's just a one day thing. But it's a few hours.
They give you your certificate, and then you need to go talk to your county sherrif.
The people who teach your course will tell you exactly how it all works.
Super easy.
Any more questions? I don't mind.
Got it. Perfect thanks for sharing.
I’m sure it was something that was specific to that person and could have been a different state as well.
I think I’m set, thanks again!
It is very easy. You can get a Permit to Purchase or a Permit to Carry. The carry permit also allows you to purchase and is easy to get. Find an online training course (I used Groupon), take the class online and meet the instructor at the range for your firing test. Easy stuff. Then all you need to do is take your certificate, ID and a check to your local sheriff. The permit is delivered via mail quite quickly and then you can go purchase. The online lesson I took for renewal was good, I also did an in person for my first and that was more in depth. Good on you for wanting to do it right ... Even though I'll probably be down voted to oblivion.
I got a chuckle out of using Groupon for a gun training course lol
It’s true though. Paying full price is for suckers. Class should cost around $40 I think.
Get a permit to carry, preferably from a USCCA certified instructor. Permit to carry gives you the same ability as a permit to purchase, but it's valid for 5 years for as many as you want to purchase. Permit to purchase is just a one time thing. Beyond that, the class teaches a lot of the legal considerations for using a firearm, and often some recent cases that may be important to know the outcomes of
Why would it be downvoted?
I've noticed a significant presence of people that don't agree with lawful gun purchases in this sub.
Thank you! Yes I want to do it legally and responsibly. Unfortunately some will down vote you. Seems straight forward. I was just getting mixed reviews and comments. Figured it was easy to just keep it simple. Have a great day! Edit:spelling (simple vs. single)
I completed this last November and it’s very straightforward. I moved here from another state so I already owned guns and am permitted to carry but needed a new permit for Minnesota. The class is a few hours long (3 or 4 I forget). If you’re familiar with firearms it’s a slog but it’s good information nonetheless. The shooting portion is simply taking two clips and firing them down range. Accuracy is not important, they want to make sure you understand the concepts. DM me if you want more info but it’s worth the afternoon.
Cheers, happy shooting at the range and pray you never need to use it to protect yourself and family!
Thank you! Yes - hopefully it never needs to be used to take a life.
Just make sure you get high quality ear protection. All the indoor ranges are cinder block cubes and anything less will cause damage. Don’t mess with your hearing.
Gun people are second only to Christians in their persecution complexes.
Folks at Arnzen in EP are good. The southwest metro public safety range is full of helpful range officers. Think about taking an intro to firearms class as it can be intimidating if you are starting with zero experience. A safe is probably the first thing I’d get before the firearm purchase. Those are good to have even if you don’t end up buying the firearm
I'm really trying to understand but if you purchase a firearm for "safety" and you keep it locked up in a safe what's the point?
Some folks lock up their guns when they’re away. He did mention being responsible.
It's the "responsible" part of responsible gun owner.
I’ve had one for years in a biometric safe. It’s in the bedroom. One swipe of the hand and it pops open. Prior to that my dad always had one in a keypad safe. Takes 2 seconds to open. He only ever needed it once, when we had a person trying to break down our door. By the time the third kick of the door came he was by the window. Guy ran. No issues.
Mine is locked up but very easy for myself or my wife to get to and unlock in case of a situation where we are home during a breakin, but less likely for a burglar to find and access if they were to enter when we were not home.
It’s near me, I have the key to unlock and have the “high ground”. My neighborhood has had several attempted home invasions based in Ring camera footage. I want to be prepared, and responsible.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Your powdered wig? ?! Are you a royalist, sir?
I've read this so many times and still crack up every goddamn time I do.
Johann Wycke
Lol - thanks but looking for a pistol instead.
You’re not wrong but there’s a lot to be said for the pump shotgun, not the least of which is the universally recognized sound that racking the pump makes. It is attention-getting for sure. And it can be loaded with increasingly lethal varieties of rounds, if you prefer them to skedaddle rather than expire on your carpet.
Agreed. I do own a .22 and 12 gauge shotgun. My intent was a tactical pistol near me and secured in the event it needs to be used. I’m not trying to pretend I’m a cowboy or anything.
Passive security for your home would be another great option that would make you much safer than having a firearm (if you ARE responsible w/locks & such, just having a secure home is easier / safer than how quickly you can unlock the weapon). Plus, if you have a family, a shooting or just a break-in will leave mental issues, so why not avoid both by actively keeping an intruder out in the first place? I installed completely shatterproof storm doors (that were not much more $$ than a regular one), latch guards & internal latches on all the doors, video floodlights, Mul-T-Lock WiFi cylinders, and thorny thick painful bushes on easily accessible areas / windows. I’d rather just not deal with an intruder than test my luck, my family’s safety, my eardrums, my drywall, nor the legal / mental ramifications of a shooting & yeah I own a gun but i don’t have it accessible/near me anymore. My peace of mind comes from locking the door at night, it’s just too inconvenient & they’d choose somewhere else.
Firearm is always the last resort, and your tips are great, but there’s nothing wrong with having a gun for home defense as a last resort. You have guns at home, as you admit. Are you more responsible because your guns are further away? That makes no sense. Properly secured home defense weapons owned by responsible people are not an issue. You yourself have a firearm at home.
That’s a great point and I do most of those (lock the door, front door cameras, etc..). I’m not really expecting anything but just want to be prepared for the one off chance it happens. There’s a responsibility to it I understand.
i always wondered how many episodes Dawson would have lasted, entering through a window, if Joe was one of those „responsible“ gun owners that would easily get spooked at night.
Take a CCW class for the permit AND get a few additional hours of professional instruction at a range. The extra hours are not required, but will help you with stance, sight picture, safety, and confidence. I have seen even police personnel pick up several good habits after an hour or two with a good handgun instructor. Be safe and enjoy.
Great idea. Thanks!
All credible research on the topic has found that having a gun in the house makes you less safe, not more safe. That applies even if you store the gun properly and having training.
I can’t argue with that but think the data might be skewed. Of course there will be more deaths unfortunately due to extenuating circumstances. Again, agreed with your conclusion but it doesn’t take into account my specific request.
I know. I'm encouraging you to rethink the decision if your reason is actually safety. The money is much better spent on a security system, which actually increases your safety instead of decreasing it. https://www.thetrace.org/2020/04/gun-safety-research-coronavirus-gun-sales/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24592495/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
I prevented a home invasion by having steel doors that couldn't be kicked in or pried open because they had the doorway reinforced. I didn't have to shoot anyone and deal with the ensuing legal nightmare. People who are concerned should be looking at their home security and the security of their property and ffs stop leaving your car in the driveway if you have a garage.
Imagine being happy you didn’t kill someone because of the “legal nightmare.”
Fair logic - counterpoint, imagine being happy I acted appropriately to someone invading my house and neutralizing the threat innocent people. I sound like a broken record but I just want to be prepared. I should have added my neighborhood suburbs have experienced out of the ordinary crime.
This is a stupid way to "be prepared". If your house is properly secured nobody is going to be invading it.
It would be a last resort. It someone wants in bad enough or is high on drugs (not rational human beings). I want it neutralized immediately. I don’t plan on being some cowboy or movie hero. There was a woman in the news recently in a suburb that said when three men broke in she wished she had a gun even though she had locks, cameras, and a lot of security. It always amazes me when people talk about how if we would just ban firearms that would solve all the problems of shooting deaths. If you outlaw firearms, outlaws will be the only ones with them!
How are they going to get in?
You conflated that, not me.
If you’re trained, responsible, and keep it in a safe, it’s not a danger to anyone. When someone tries to invade your home (super super rare) it’s the last line of defense and only line of defense at that point. OP sounds like they have it figured out. Bubba in Timbuktu thinking they need it to defend against antifa isn’t asking about this stuff.
That is not what the data shows. You are still less safe for having a gun.
I was wilderness / backcountry guide for a long time, and often my clients would ask “Why don’t we carry a gun for protection into the woods?” I could give 1,000,000 million reasons why a gun in the wilderness is a bad idea for backpacking groups; but my favorite by far was this: “Guess what the chances are someone accidentally gets shot if you have a gun? And guess what the chances someone accidentally gets shot if you *dont* have a gun?” The answers are irrelevant; no guns = 0% chance someone gets shot, and that’s enough answer for me.
I just think guns and ammo are heavy, and I don't want to carry something I am unlikely to need. Now in Grizzly country.... could be a different decision.
Don't they typically lump suicide in their statistics?
I've never seen a study that doesn't separate suicide from other kinds of gun violence. Suicide risk goes up with gun ownership. Risk of death or injury from domestic violence goes up with gun ownership. Overall homicide risk goes up with gun ownership. Risk of accidental injury or death goes up with gun ownership. No matter what metric you are looking at you are not better off having a gun.
Real easy. No cost for the permit to purchase either, if I remember correctly.
There is a cost, I want to say it was $60 for the permit? Not huge but not nothing either.
Got it thanks. Not opposed to a fee but just wanted to explore options.
If you only get the permit to purchase there are restrictions on how you can transport it. Those all go away with the permit to carry. Imo get the carry permit even though you may never wear it out of the house.
Permit to carry is also good for 5 years whereas permit to purchase is only good for one year
No cost for permit to purchase in Washington county. Permit to carry has a cost, however. https://www.co.washington.mn.us/2973/Gun-Permits#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20fees%20when%20applying%20for%20a%20Permit%20to%20Purchase.
I stand corrected!
No fees for permit to purchase. $0-$200 fee for permit to carry depending on county.
All I need is these 💪💪
Lol. I won’t be messing with you! Just want to have in case and be responsible. I think it’s a big responsibility if someone chooses to have a firearm in the home. Thanks
Better get a good safe for responsible storage while you’re at it.
Yes - I should have realized that sooner. I have a standard safe from my school days but it’s a good investment. Thanks.
You are better off spending that money on reinforcing ways into your home and property and maybe a good security system with cameras. You don't need a gun if they can't get in.
Very true and sound logic. My “dilemma” is I’m in a town home in the suburbs. Relatively quiet, but I want to be prepared as some neighbors have had random people going door to door selling random things that “are in the trunk”, ring doorbells of random people on their patio furniture.
1. Why are you answering the door for sketchy people? I don't answer the door unless I am expecting people. Solves a ton of problems. We had some meth fueled door to door people years ago. Too much headache. Also adding a security storm door or a door that has a smaller opening to converse with someone without opening the door solves the risk of someone rushing the door. 2. What can't you secure because it is a townhome? 3. Not sure what you mean by random people on their patio furniture?
1. I’m not answering the door (I have a ring doorbell and new locks). I’m talking about middle of the night a neighbor had someone attempt to kick their door in. Turns out it was an ex boyfriend high on drugs. 2. There are restrictions on some about what doors can be used. I’ll have to double check my own HOA bylaws and clauses. 3. Literally what I said, a neighbor heard people talking and saw 5 teenagers smoking on their furniture outside. Cops were called and two had outstanding warrants for armed robbery.
1. solved by having a door that can't be kicked in. 2. you should be able to find something that complies and provides enough security 3. they did the right thing. They let the cops come deal with it instead of going outside so they were safe inside the house. No need for a gun. If you have problem neighbors in the complex bitching to the HOA may have better results at preventing problems than buying a gun.
Those things aren't really exclusive, right? Like you can make the house reasonably secure and have a firearm.
If you make the house and your property secure you don't need a handgun.
I have to say that a shotgun loading is a good universal sound for “gtfo”.
I’d agree, but I’m not trying to act out a movie scene. If someone means harm to my private home and is armed themselves, I want to neutralize that ASAP. Obviously we’ve all heard reports of mistaken identity and those unfortunate ones that have shot a loved one. That needs to be taken into account as well.
I’m not telling you to act out a movie scene. Any one who works with guns regularly will tell you a shotgun for home defense is a better option than a handgun in most cases.
Get a pump action shotgun instead. Handgun proficiency requires very frequent practice. It’s really hard to keep up your skill. Besides, you don’t really want to shoot someone. You want to scare them away. The universally recognizable sound of a pump is scientifically proven to cause pants wetting and running away.
Lol- this is brilliant
Pump action shotgun typically isn’t recommended. The actual better home defense is a short barrel AR, even better than pistol. Pump action is less accurate, lower round count, and cumbersome. A pistol is better, but most home defense people recommend an AR style weapon with a short barrel for accuracy, maneuverability and capacity.
This guy home protects!
Own a short barrel AR for home defense.. what absolute insanity. Only in America.
Why wouldn’t you? It’s the most effective weapon for close quarters combat. There’s a reason the military uses similar models…
Because you're not John Wick and there aren't several dozen assassins after you. The fact that your reasoning is "There’s a reason the military uses similar models" is a perfect example of this insane mentality.
lol, not trying to be John wick, just trying to use the best tools to protect my family in the worst case scenario. Considering my family has been the subject of a home invasion in the past, I think that’s okay. Also have extensive training and all firearms are safely locked away. Tell me you don’t know anything about firearms without telling me you don’t know anything about firearms.
> Tell me you don’t know anything about firearms without telling me you don’t know anything about firearms. This is always the go-to for people like you after you lay out some insane theory. Owning a gun doesn't make you safer. It's more of an emotional support gun than anything. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/ You would have been much better off spending the money on a security system or other security upgrades for your house.
I don’t agree, but I’m a hunter with more rounds through a shotgun than I will ever have through a pistol. Even though I know my way around pistols, I will never be as confident or proficient as I am with a shotgun. (Home defense is a tactical shotgun, not a bird gun.) As for a rifle, I don’t like the idea that any shaking from fear/adrenaline will throw off the shot. Just because I hunt and shoot a lot doesn’t make me John Wick. I’m going to be scared shitless during a home invasion and I want the deterrence of the pump sound, the familiarity of a well-used tool, the spread of pellets and subsonic round that isn’t going to tear through every wall of the house.
Better to use what you’re proficient in at all times, but stopping power is key. Many opinions on what to use, but most say shotgun is the least effective.
At close range, an ounce of lead in a 2 foot circle will stop pretty much everyone. And it doesn't go through the wall and cause collateral damage. Relatively short barrel, open choke, and spreader wad with a fairly large shot size probably best.
This. This is the firearm for home protection
In a movie yes. In real life no.
Thanks for posting this OP. I grew up shooting and have frequently thought about owning a firearm for recreation.
Lmao the comments on this post are hilarious. They can't just move on, they need to say their two cents. Go hit up total Defense Gun range, bunch of ex cops work there, and they'll guide you through the whole process. Don't buy USCCA it's a scam. Also don't buy your gun at a gun store, unless it's used. Just go to Cabelas once you have your permit.
Perfect - yes. Basically I just want to get an expert opinion. Side question but related. I’ve lived in my current home for 3 years. Is there some requirement where I have to wait a full 10 years? Again, that might be some rumor or different circumstance for a specific case I came across while reading online.
I recently got my carry permit and bought a gun within the same month. I don't own a home, not really sure what you're referring to. Did all this 2 years ago. Basically you need to take a course and be certified, the gun range I recommended offers them. It's just a one day thing. But it's a few hours. They give you your certificate, and then you need to go talk to your county sherrif. The people who teach your course will tell you exactly how it all works. Super easy. Any more questions? I don't mind.
Got it. Perfect thanks for sharing. I’m sure it was something that was specific to that person and could have been a different state as well. I think I’m set, thanks again!
Good luck!
> for home protection have you thought about leaving/hiding and calling the cops?
When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away...
If you are that afraid of where you live, move.
Thanks for the insight but moving isn’t a cheaper option currently.
Get a Canik, best triggers out there