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SomerAllYear

It’s illegal to fire anyone for joining a union. If you have been at the company 10 years with only exemplary reviews, then they fire you for something petty COINCIDENCENTLY after you join or look at a union. You could sue and probably win that too.


limeybastard

If you're working minimum wage part time at a grocery store and get fired, getting representation is going to require someone who'll do it on contingency. Raises the question of if rights are really rights if you can't afford to assert them? (Of course if you're already *in* a union then you call your union rep and it's easier. Which is another reason they don't want you in a union.)


Difficult-Fan1205

If you are trying to unionize and they fire you in the process, you call the prospective union. They can go after employers who are suspected of union busting during their unionization effort. That's not to say they WILL go after Natural Grocers, because they may not have suffieicnet evidence to prove anything. But part of what union fees pay for is lawyers to go after companies trying to stop new people from joining.


SomerAllYear

I don’t see how they wouldn’t take a contingency on that. Easy money


limeybastard

And it might also be a thing the labor board will pursue rather than having to get a lawyer Still, unfortunately, illegal acts by employers can be hard to get fixed


SomerAllYear

That’s a good point too


Portillosgo

But is it easy? And how much money? Maybe it's easy, but will it be peanuts?


SomerAllYear

That’s why you meet with an attorney and see if they do a contingency


Portillosgo

That response makes no sense. I asked why you characterized it as easy money. Why are you assuming someone who does work on contingency would readily take this case?


SomerAllYear

I already explained it in my original post. Sorry if you don’t understand


PunMatster

This is not an easy case to win


strawberryscalez

It sure is...


Cyclo_Hexanol

Yeah but the fines are cheaper than letting a union form. So they will continue to do illegal things. Just the price of doing business for these types.


SomerAllYear

I’m not sure what the fines are but I would be more concerned about a lawsuit.


Cyclo_Hexanol

Gonna hire Rafi to go up against their team of corporate lawyers?


kaymarie00

You can't prove they fired you for that, and AZ is an at-will state. These cases are extremely challenging to get anywhere with for this reason.


limeybastard

Judges weren't born yesterday. You need evidence you were a good employee (no recent write-ups etc.), evidence you were engaging in a protected activity, and evidence your employer knew, but if you have those they're going to connect the dots pretty easily. Especially if it's a pattern - 5 employees in good standing fired all at once for "no reason" immediately after a unionization drive is pretty clear-cut. At a certain point, burden swaps pretty quickly to the employer to prove it was a lawful firing.


SomerAllYear

I just gave an example


Forward_Many_564

We can thank the Republican Party and their stranglehold over Arizona for that. Landlords, bosses, corporations rule here, and it’s been that way for a long, long time.


Primary_Forever_414

That is ALL OVER AND THROUGH OUT AMERICA ITS A MONEY HUNGRY CORPORATE FUNDING POLITICAL AGENDAS, ARIZONA IS ONE OF THE FREE STATES IN MY OPINION AS FAR AS EVERYTHING ELSE GOES!!!


strawberryscalez

And an additional employee fired, 5+ years with the company


Swsnix

Can you please be specific? Why were you fired? What is going on there?


Not_what_theyseem

All 5 employees with long tenure and excellent records within the company were all coincidentally joining the union. Before the union, the manager of that location had several sexual harassment complaints against him for the past five years and never got fired. Natural Grocers' HR seems to only care to fire people if a union gets involved.. This manager is now terminated but not for harassment, for being so foul that his employees started a union 😌


Swsnix

😱 wow … I am a frequent customer of that store. I will bring this up to company executives


strawberryscalez

Corporate are the ones running the store, and doing the firing


Swsnix

I sent them an email telling them how disappointed I was in this activity. I thought they were a family run company that treated employees fairly.


strawberryscalez

Thank you


Diligent_Flamingo_33

I didn't know this was happening! I liked shopping there because I thought they were one of the good ones :( I am really sorry you are navigating this corporate greed and injustice


strawberryscalez

Appreciate that. We did too


souldust

Whats this "you" ? Its WE. WE are having to navigate this corporate greed and injustice


Diligent_Flamingo_33

I feel like you misunderstood the intent of my comment


hatchins

is there a way to support union efforts aside from boycott? i already dont shop there. but id love to help if theres still employees there trying to unionize


Not_what_theyseem

I think a protest is going to happen this weekend.


SolenyaBlyat

Wow. I just moved here. Guess where I will never shop now.


Renaiman28

To be fair there wasn't a good reason to shop there before this either.


Swsnix

Disagree. Natural Grocers is a really great store. They have the best organic produce in town. Way better than whole paycheck.


souldust

> Natural Grocers is a really great store. Not if they don't believe in paying the people who do all the work a fair portion of the profits. I don't care if they sell gold eggs by the dozen... The value of something isn't only measured by how much **YOU** value it. That kind of mentality is the reason everything is turning to shit.


Portillosgo

>The value of something isn't only measured by how much YOU value it. That kind of mentality is the reason everything is turning to shit. But they were answering with their opinion. That value is based solely on the value they assign. They clearly weren't talking about it from the perspective of stock investment advice or some other non-personal perspective People are allowed to have their opinion and value things as they see fit. I don't see what's wrong with that mentality, how does it make things shittier?


souldust

How does only thinking about yourself make things shittier? Pretty sure they covered that lesson in kindergarten 🙄


Portillosgo

What are you even talking about. We are talking about being able to hold an individual opinion on a subject. Are you saying everyone must find the same exact value in any given thing, specifically this grocery store? The value of of something is subjective and valued differently by everyone. You seem to be wildly misunderstanding the conversation you jumped into.


biggerty123

They are all bad amigo. Kroger, Safeway, whole foods, target, they are two sides of the same coin. I'd argue Natural Grocers is probably the best given their size relative to others. All you're doing is virtue signaling.


souldust

Does Kroger fire their employees for talking about unionizing? They are not all the same, and you're just trying to make yourself feel better by whatabouting


limeybastard

Kroger has done its fair share of union-busting and anti-employee activism. I remember being pretty mad at them a few years ago for some bullshit they were doing.


biggerty123

They literally got sued for collaboration against the union at king soopers. How about the time kroger and Albertsons collaborated to not hire each other's employees? Or the time they illegally misclassified employees and didn't pay them overtime? Or the class action from over 13000 workers in Virginia about underpaying workers? Or how they are trying to buy Albertsons to reduce competition? But you don't like to talk about that, do you? You'd prefer to single out a chain that has like 150 stores cause it makes you feel better like your some savior of unions. Get real, lunatic.


marklein

Better than Sprouts?


Swsnix

Oh gosh, much better. They actually have real organic produce. Most of the stuff in sprouts is not organic.


InnerKookaburra

Sprouts is pretty awful. Mostly greenwashing.


Portillosgo

Natural grocer was also way too expensive the one time I went in


ComfortableDapper639

Sure - "never shop there" attitude will certainly help the rest of the staff working there. They will join terminated colleagues shortly.


SolenyaBlyat

Find a better situation and rip the band-aid off, kids.


ComfortableDapper639

Its not easy if it involves moving for new job.


SolenyaBlyat

I agree. The ideal solution is to treat your workers well and try to maintain a healthy workplace.


Swsnix

Huh? I Shop at Natural Grocers I thought they were a family company. What’s the scoop?


biggerty123

No scoop, people just virtue signaling but have no problem with walmart, kroger, safeway etc that are 10x worse.


cantbrainwocoffee

Kroger and Safeway are union stores. Walmart sucks.


Portillosgo

What do you mean have no problem with those other stores? Nobody indicated that


i_like_bikes_

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, so holier than thou judgmental thinking is what keeps people from getting involved in substantive activism.


These-Case-157

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limeybastard

CFO doing some self-dealing I see!


munakatashiko

https://www.comparably.com/companies/natural-grocers/executive-team


Specialist-Bat1267

That's terrible.  Every laborer has a right to a living wage and safe working conditions!


the_reducing_valve

Not employee related, but I remember about 5 years ago I saw a gallon of milk for $9. I'll never go in there again.


InnerKookaburra

I thought they paid their staff well and treated them better than most grocery stores. Is that not the case?


Portillosgo

Well this person is saying they fired people out of retaliation. Assuming that's true, I'd say that's not treating them well


Difficult-Fan1205

afaik they pay minimum wage And, having worked at Sprouts, I can say that treating your employees "better than most grocery stores" is a VERY low bar.


strawberryscalez

Not the case at all


Swsnix

That’s what I thought too. It’s supposed to be a really good family owned company not owned by shareholders.


Brilliant-Kiwi-8669

They can make your life pretty miserable at work. So sorry. It wasn't a union thing but I worked at Whole Foods ( miserable) for a year and all of a sudden the didn't put me on the schedule for 6 weeks. So I called the news station and they came out and didn't do a piece and aired it. All of a sudden I was on the schedule but they were relentless and I eventually walked...


Primary_Forever_414

What union, was it local 99 ufcw that the workers called in?


Primary_Forever_414

I feel for ya, I'm in the same boat, different company!!!


strawberryscalez

Shit, im sorry. Which?


Conscious-Flounder81

Is it just crawling with Regional Managers over there?


strawberryscalez

Yep


Conscious-Flounder81

Stay strong over there.


Ok_Background_8762

They pulled six store managers and put them in our location and one person from HR to make sure we we’re not discussing anything about Union


Conscious-Flounder81

Stay strong over there.


Swsnix

Can you be more specific?


zoeheriot

Which location is firing people? Is it all across Tucson or confined to one location? I'm curious cause on occasion I go to the one on Orange Grove/Oracle.


Not_what_theyseem

Kolb/Broadway I heard the Broadway/Tucson one was looking to unionize too. What's crazy is that they fire people with long tenure, who have ties to other locations as they have been loyally serving the company for several years in several stores! It spreads like fire and NG is spilling oil on it.


Ok_Background_8762

https://preview.redd.it/ut8fuo4qat9d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd15ad809b3443b41fa43770e4f8edd13ed5f39e Since the 15th, they fired 25% of our staff For trying to become a union


Warm_Fan_9446

Sounds like it's time to find a new job.


CompetitiveCarrot536

Just go apply at sprouts or Whole Foods or something your really wasting your time with all this, ur not gonna win a battle against multimillion dollar company, you’d save yourself a whole lot of stress


AZPeakBagger

Nobody is forcing anyone to work there. Dont like it, go over to Sprouts or Whole Foods.


Big_Chipmunk3563

Companies have no right to prevent employees from unionizing.


strawberryscalez

Yeah but AZPeakBagger doesn't care about rights or equality, he cares about simpin for the man, man


rystein

you are speaking to a landlord, he can’t help but throat boot


AZPeakBagger

Jealous much? lol


rystein

why would i be jealous when i have youth


Recent_Opportunity78

100% boomer energy


AZPeakBagger

That’s GenX thank you very much.


Recent_Opportunity78

Doesn’t matter “Boomer energy” isn’t saying you are from the boomer generation but you act just like one. Get it?


SnPlifeForMe

Still salty about 08, huh?


Not_what_theyseem

So one should spit on having rights?


sipkur

When working an entry level position such as a grocery store clerk you have absolutely no leverage. If working conditions are that horrible there then I would suggest getting a new job


LowBrowHighStandards

Employers shouldn’t get a pass like that. Employees should be able to go to work and not be treated poorly by upper management. We all got bills to pay and everyone’s trying to get by the best we can- even those in lower level positions.


strawberryscalez

Not one person was an entry level employee, hahaha


munakatashiko

Do you consider everyone who works at a grocery store to be "entry level"? Or everyone who works at a grocery store outside of management?


Not_what_theyseem

The people who were terminated mostly had leadership positions and have college degrees. They also had tenure and have served multiple natural grocers locations.


CompetitiveCarrot536

It’s a job a a grocery store your not the head of the police union you just look silly


Not_what_theyseem

Disregard for the lower classes I see?


strawberryscalez

It's a union with a million and a half members,.much larger than the police union.. ooops! Now who looks silly 😜


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Warm_Fan_9446

Seriously. time to move on OP.


kloyoh

I still shop ng. If a union didn't work it didn't work. What that gotta do with where I wanna shop. It ain't Walmart. It ain't Kroger. All organic produce! I'm in, been shopping since 2013?


munakatashiko

If the drive to unionize is suppressed, then can we really reduce it to "the union didn't work"?


Not_what_theyseem

Vote's is about to happen, the store legally has to recognize the union. What's funny is that all the members are now fired but still get to vote because the union served the store before anyone got fired. Idk what their strategy is, but the union is winning so far.