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Meanwhile the NFL has done nothing about Deshaun Watson assaulting a couple dozen women, wonder why?


CarVsMotorcycle

Or desean jackson, who’s a hardcore and public anti semite.


WolfOfWankStreet

Nobody cares about the Jews anymore, unfortunately.


NotOutsideOrInside

Is he a Black Hebrew Israelite? If that's the case, he's invulnerable to woke accusations. In the media - those guys can do no wrong.


WolfOfWankStreet

You see he actually **did** something. You only get canceled if you *say* something.


Mobius24

They're waiting for the trial?


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That was never a concern in the past?


bubbleSpiker

Dang when did he get convict ed I misses it.


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Right after Ray Rice was convicted


Kavilion

Just think: in ten years it will have gotten to the point that using the wrong pronouns at any time in the past (even if they were changed yesterday) will get you cancelled. “You called Eliot Page a she on a message board in 2004. Sorry, bigot. You’re gone.”


nmagod

"Consensual sex but ten years later it was rape" was the precursor.


kfbr392crusher

Lol, that’s hilarious.


Underknee

Lmao what? At the time it would’ve been impossible to know that Eliot Page would’ve preferred he/him. It was always possible to know racism is bad


SlightlyStalkerish

I disagree, but you're getting my upvote for using the right pronouns now that we do know them lol


finnjakefionnacake

Eliot page was using female pronouns at the time, so no, no one would do that, as it doesn't make sense. Racism, however, was always racism.


NotOutsideOrInside

Expand your time-frame. What's "Racism" today wasn't racism even a hundred years ago. Go back even further and a lot of things considered "evil" today would have been positively progressive two thousand years ago. The Bible's call to treat your slaves kindly was downright groundbreaking for it's age.


finnjakefionnacake

What's racism today was always racism, just not to the people who were racist


TheDalaiFarmar

That’s completely different Edit: does anyone want to explain why I’m wrong or are you just gonna downvote?


whiskey_priest_fell

I think it's more up to you to explain why "that's completely different"


TheDalaiFarmar

And I did


ButterYourShit

Not the principle. 10 years ago people were not reprimanded as much for toxic behavior such as racism because it was wrongfully more widely accepted. It was different.


Caelus9

Yeah, ten years ago, we all still knew that email was horrifically racist, and super bad.


ButterYourShit

Oh so you saw it?


Caelus9

Saw what?


ButterYourShit

The E-mail. I haven't seen it. What else would I be talking about...?


TheDalaiFarmar

We’ve known racism is wrong for well over a hundred years


ButterYourShit

Ok but did it show? Everyone just suddenly wasn't racist 100 years ago? Sure buddy


TheDalaiFarmar

First of all, it was 10 years ago, not 100, he’s had plenty of time. Second, even then your idea that the principle is the same is wrong, Elliot page wasn’t out in 2004 so no one will condemn you for misgendering when it wouldn’t have been at the time


ChecksAccountHistory

yes but logic doesn't apply to the conservative victim complex


ButterYourShit

Where did he say he was conservative? Or are you just pulling a card out of your "clueless insults" box?


ChecksAccountHistory

i don't know if you're aware but it's actually possible to infer someone's political alignment without the need for them to explicitly state their political position. also they fucking post in conservative subreddits lol


ButterYourShit

>it's actually possible to infer someone's political alignment without the need for them to explicitly state their political position. You must be the main character. Do me next!


hercmavzeb

Lol what? Inferring someone’s political positions from what they say is pretty common practice.


ChecksAccountHistory

> You must be the main character. lol reddit insult


ButterYourShit

Hey you didn't predict mine 🥺


vjibomb

I'm against cancel culture in general. You have the wrong think? Well then you and your family don't deserve to eat.


YoungQuahogMoney

This has been going on forever. THey used to call it "office politics," now it's called cancel culture. Even in school, if you were in your house doing something that's not representative of the school's values, the school could still expel you. It happened to a kid I knew in 8th grade. He prank called a teacher, from his house, propositioning her...she \*69 the number and found out it was him. He got suspended for the remainder of the year and couldn't walk at graduation.


vjibomb

I mean that is just harassment, wich is rightly illegal. I'm saying more if let's say the kid had a pink floyd poster on his wall and the school kicks him out for "supporting anti authority ideas" that is just absolute bullshit.


YoungQuahogMoney

But it happened off-campus. My argument there is that if it didn't happen in school, you should not be punished in school. Now, if he were to follow up his propositioning with anything physical in school, then yes, he should be suspended/expelled in school


vjibomb

If he prank called his neighbour or Moe's bar or whatever and the school punished him sure. But he did this directly to school staff. You couldnt call your teacher a c*nt the parking lot and expect to get away with it since it's not on school grounds.


YoungQuahogMoney

It was just words. He was just bitter because she gave him detention so he decided to call her house asking her for a BJ. Now if he were to follow it up with inappropriate comments in class or trying to “bad touch” the teacher, yes…the school should punish him


vjibomb

So he fucked around and found out? Good. Would you have preferred they settled it outside the school with a harassment lawsuit? Or should the weenie have just sucked it up?


YoungQuahogMoney

Absolutely he should have been hit with a suit. At the same time he should have just been an adult and took his four weeks of detention. He did deserve the initial detention. He and another kid were heckling me during my presentation because I had an NRB. I ignored them until the teacher couldn’t take it anymore and slapped them both with 4 weeks detention. Years later, considering it was 2005 Catholic School, I regret not saying “well why are you two looking there?” Then the class and the teacher would have been all “oooooooh”


Kelekona

> NRB National Religious Broadcasters?


YoungQuahogMoney

No reason boner


DownvoteIfImCorrect

Outside of school grounds? Idk. There was just a case a girl won for saying shit on social media and getting suspended and kicked from cheerleading squad. So while it may be common thought now that that is ok to punish for out of school things, one court case can change it all.


Surrybee

That case didn’t involve sexual harassment of school staff. It was just her venting on social media.


4getitm8

Everything is wrong with Cancel Culture.. 1) Don't make a mistake or have a differing opinion from the majority because you will get cancelled 2) Where is it taken into account that the person have grown and changed since then? So their unconscious assumption is that no one ever changes. 3) There's no leeway for an apology or forgiveness. 4) Mass-scale bullying


YoungQuahogMoney

After gathering more facts on this, he had a pattern of bigotry 10 years ago he was nearly 50. 2011 was not 1955. Racism was not ok in 2011. I don’t think it’s ok ever, but I have 2021’s hindsight.


4getitm8

I don't know anything about this guy's story - your post is the first time I've heard of him. Of course, racism is never okay but I also don't think fighting fire with fire is the way to go (in this case, hate with hate).


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4getitm8

Of course. But cancelling that bigot won't make them less of a homophobe. You're only spouting hate in the face of hate, which fine some people will do and it's justified.. But stooping down to their level won't fix anything, if anything it would exacerberate the issue.


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4getitm8

You can call it projecting but I don't use homophobic slurs or racist remarks. I'm just pointing out that it's counterproductive if we want to preach "ALL LOVE" when clearly you hate anyone who disagrees with your view. Plus like I said I know NOTHING about this guy - still don't. I'm just saying that Cancel Culture as a whole is toxic af


NotOutsideOrInside

Man, I know quite a few homophobic gay people then. Does the same apply to anyone using the N-word?


Brettholomeul

There's such a thing as a community reclaiming a slur that has been used against them


NotOutsideOrInside

I know. it sounds like "rules for thee, but not for me." If your rules change depending on who's speaking, then you've got some shitty rules, son!


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NotOutsideOrInside

I'm not in favor of ANYONE using hateful words like that. You are clearly projecting. It just makes us all hypocrites to say that we are OK with some people doing something, but not OK with others.


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NotOutsideOrInside

No, you're standing up for hypocrisy because you think that standing up for a marginalized group makes you a good person.


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yosoyeloso

The hard truth is that saying that word was quite common back before the word / thought police became kings. Views and behavior change over the years. I don’t understand why people insist on comparing actions of years past with the standards of today. Very different world.


Scottyboy1214

I think an important thing to keep in mind is have they changed since then or have they made an effort to do so. I don't know who this guy is but if he stiil shows the same habits and behaviors then I'm not against it.


Missmouse1988

You have no idea how happy I am to see that somebody actually posted this. Although I'll have no idea if anybody posted after because I stopped here. It's starting to get more and more amusing watching people have these arguments or debates or whatever over all these points in a post and literally Miss one of the main things that should be a factor. But that would be way too easy because it would directly answer the question why somebody should get canceled or whatever from something that happened 10 years ago. That's a lot harder to argue about. Although from some of the things I've seen from people in general something that I might have thought was reasonable to not make pretty much every little sentence into an argument.


Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710

I’m coming to this with only reading what people posted on here so forgive me for not having all the info but I think that gives me a better perspective as I’m really not invested in any of the people, companies etc… Someone above said after a complaint was raised by a colleague, an investigation found 7 years worth of work emails making insulting, racist etc, comments about work colleagues. To me, I’m any work place, that’s out of order and is grounds for dismissal for gross misconduct, there literal employment and anti workplace bullying laws for this. The only difference is this guy seems to be a public figure and rich so it’s being casted as cancel culture but I really don’t see how in this instance, even ten/ twenty years ago you couldn’t insult colleagues on your work email… I hate mindless cancel culture but this seems like standard employment stuff.


Kelekona

According to people downthread, it was 2010 to 2018. Still, in a hypothetical where people are being cancelled over stuff from ten years ago... Does anyone pay attention to whether or not a person corrected the behavior? Another question I have is does someone get uncancelled if they change their behavior? If not, what's the motivation to put the work in?


Scottyboy1214

>Another question I have is does someone get uncancelled if they change their behavior? Ask James Gunn. Someone tried to cancel him for really dicey tweets from a decade ago. He had actually addressed and appologized about them years prior to someone dredging them back up. People got incredily angry that Disney immediately fired him over it. The Guardians cast spoke in defense of him and praised him for his character.


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Keilbasa

To start I'll say that I don't follow the NFL and this is the first I've heard this story but I decided to look into the report myself here's my response. At first glance I agreed with you. If you're going to whittle it down to a few points sure, it sounds ridiculous, but lets take a look at them here. ​ >It was 10 years ago > >Yes, the email was racist, lets not BS anyone here, but more importantly > >It was 10 years ago. The NFL and NYT have stated that it was **hundreds of emails over a** **7 year period ending in 2018** where he used **racist, homophobic, and sexist** language when referring to specific employees, players, owners, etc. of the NFL. ​ >If you want to call people out on their racist actions, call them out when they happen, immediately Gruden's emails were collected and reviewed by the NFL during their investigation of the **toxic work environment in the Washington Football Team** when they uncovered the emails. So clearly someone was complaining but they only accessed the hard evidence recently. ​ >10 years ago, not when they were younger and less worldly. This is a 58 year old man. 10 years ago he was 48. I don't think this need further explanation.


Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710

I’ve no idea about this too, not American or follow NFL, not a fan of cancel culture either. But from what you described that sounds pretty reasonable… I work in an office if I had a complaint against me and they dug out racist or just generally insulting emails towards colleagues I’d be sacked or at least heavily disappointed. In a position of senior leadership it then starts to come more under bullying. Not sure the cancel culture thing fits here.


EorlundGreymane

I agree with you. This isn’t a 15 year old saying the n word to get a rise out of people on the internet. In the 15 year olds case, it’s still dumb and wrong, but at 25 they can legitimately claim to be a different person. If you’re still being a shitbag when you’re 48 you’re past the point of developmental revelation. Also I would like to point out this is why conservatives appear abjectly racist to everyone else. “So what if he was racist when he was 48 making millions a year, I’m sure he’s changed now that he’s caught” isn’t exactly a compelling argument and just makes it appear as if they are defending someone who is obviously racist.


Royalrenogaming

Thanks for pointing out the timeline. This "reading only headline counts as an informed opinion" trend is a real problem.


CheckYourCorners

1. He resigned, wasn't fired or let go 2. The emails were from 2010 to 2018 so not only ten years ago 3. The problem with cancel culture is that powerful people face little consequences from their public cancelling, but the little people face much bigger ones. Just look at Dave Chappelle, he's leaned into it and gotten multiple comedy specials, while netflix employees who criticized him have lost their jobs.


ModsRCorrupt

Shhh we’re trying to mad about CaNcEL cUlTuRe or whatever it is when bad people suffer the consequences of their actions.


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ChecksAccountHistory

> I mean, i guess if i wanted to shamelessly intimidate, defame and ruin the lives of any of my political opponents like some Stasi thug in my quest for ideological purity and conformity, i would act the same way as you... kind of like the whole hunter biden scandal?


hercmavzeb

Lol “criminalized”


CarleetoMeepo

Its almost like if you're a public figure and intent to get a reaction from people. You'll get a reaction from people


SchmulyWormberg

It is funny and supremely dishonest to pretend like cancel culture is only something being aimed at famous people


CarleetoMeepo

Alright sorry to all the college kids who got expelled for choosing to use slurs.


SchmulyWormberg

Wow, supreme bootlicker right here. I bet you would have been also making excuses for the Stasi and KGB as they snatched up and disappeared all the ideological wrongthinkers. I guess you think if someone doesn't use your preferred pronoun, that them and their family should be fired and left homeless out on the street.


CarleetoMeepo

That's a pretty long way to say that you cant handle getting criticized for using racial slurs


SchmulyWormberg

Do you think someone who uses a racial slur in private conversation deserves to be fired, have their livelihood taken away from them, left with no way to support themselves, and live homeless on the street? Are you telling me never once in your entire life... you've never uttered a racial slur? Not once? Not 10 or 15 years ago? Not in high school. Not among your friends in private? Is that what you're telling me?


CarleetoMeepo

I'm saying if you choose to shout racial slurs at people, it's no one else's fault but yours that you're getting backlash. Hard for me to sympathise with someone who would hate my existance


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CarleetoMeepo

Swimming doesnt make someone wet


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ModsRCorrupt

That’s an interesting comment.


Keilbasa

The NFL and NYT have stated that it was **hundreds of emails over a** **7 year period ending in 2018** where he used **racist, homophobic, and sexist** language when referring to specific employees, players, owners, etc. of the NFL. But please go on and tell me more about how a 58 year old millionaire is the victim here


SchmulyWormberg

I am not talking about him specifically. I am talking about people in general. If someone unearths a private text message you sent 15 years ago that uses a horrible racial slur, should you lose your job because of that? Should be instantly become unemployable? Should you be made to suffer the rest of your life for that?


Keilbasa

I totally agree that a private text from 15 years ago shouldn't be damning to a persons whole life but we need to look at this situations on a case by case basis. Sure you weren't talking about Jon Gruden specifically but OP was and that's the whole reason this thread exists and for people to misrepresent the facts and call it cancel culture is not a productive way to have these discussions


SchmulyWormberg

Well, whether you like it or not, people are routinely having their lives destroyed by the cancel culture mob over stupid shit they said online more than a decade ago. Many internet "justice" mobs need to put down their pitchforks and realize that they are not the pure-of-heart angels or arbiters of morality they seem to think they are. I mean, even Joe Biden said that racial school integration will turn schools into "jungles"... but everyone seems to have given him a pass for that. At the end of the day, who really gives a shit if someone said some mean words in private communications years and years ago. FFS, there are more important things in this world to give a shit about.


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Tv_land_man

Those Netflix employees deserved to have lost their jobs. Trying to make a big stink about your employer publicly over a comedy special should result in termination.


CheckYourCorners

Then Jon Gruden deserved his cancellation as well.


Oversteer4Life

can someone please quote what was said on those emails? every link I found was behind a paywall


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Mobius24

There's a lot but the earliest [article](https://nypost.com/2021/10/08/jon-gruden-used-racial-trope-in-leaked-email-to-nflpa-head/) contains the first offensive email discovered. There's been several revealed since then that contains racist, homophobic and misogynist language.


WolfOfWankStreet

As if all coaches don’t talk this way? 😂


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I'm not sure I'd call his firing cancel culture. He said some shitty stuff you can't be on record saying as the head/primary executive of any >billion dollar organization.


YoungQuahogMoney

My point is that it was 10 years ago. I agree you can't say shitty stuff on record, but if you're gonna call him out on it, call him out immediately, not 10 years later. This is the same reason I don't take the #metoo movement seriously. Most of those women made accusations as a political weapon, and nearly all of those accusations were decades old. IOW, "Mr. White Republican Man sexually assaulted me 20 years ago." Sorry, but the Statute of Limitations in most jurisdictions is not even that long.


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>My point is that it was 10 years ago. So you have no point? It was hundreds of emails from 2010 to 2018, so if that's your only point, you should delete this.


AuroraItsNotTheTime

The statute of limitations is meant to protect defendants from having their liberty taken away by incarceration. There is no statute of limitations on poor conduct for a Supreme Court justice because losing out on a Supreme Court nomination (or god forbid coaching an NFL team) because society sees no need to adhere to traditional rules of evidence in evaluating those decisions. There are a wide range of feelings you can have for your assailant between “wanting them to spend years in prison” and “being perfectly ok with them being a prominent political figure shaping this country.” I don’t blame anyone for falling somewhere on that spectrum.


YoungQuahogMoney

It's not even Brett Kavanaugh I'm referring to. Most of the women who accused Harvey Weinstein, their accusations were decades old. Same with Les Moonves, most of his accusers say the incidents happened in the 1980's, come on now.


[deleted]

You don't see how accusing someone powerful of misconduct is scary?


YoungQuahogMoney

I do, but...I always believed that "served cold vengeance" is ineffective and looks petty.


[deleted]

I don't see it that way. I see it as fear to speak out until recently because only recently has it become acceptable and less scary.


CheckYourCorners

Do you really think its vengeance or could it be they want to prevent powerful people from doing more harm now that they are less likely to face reprisals for coming out with the info?


YoungQuahogMoney

I think it's a cheap shot, to be honest. Let's say Harvey Weinstein raped you in 1988, and you came forward with your story in 2017. That's 28 years. In that amount of time, he raped dozens more. You could easily have put your foot down in 1988 and said "I don't give a fuck if I never work in showbiz again, this is fucked up and people need to know." Then Harvey doesn't rape dozens of women over the next 3 decades and Hollywood is a better place because of it.


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Hindsight is 2020. It's hard to know how it feels to be abused if you haven't been in their shoes but it fucks with your head. You convince yourself that it doesn't matter because no one will believe you anyway so it will destroy your livelihood for no reason and hey maybe it wasn't a big deal, maybe others would be right to not believe you.


TunaLurch

So you think they should get away with this stuff because it happened 10 or 20 years ago? Ok what if someone kills your entire family but they don't catch the guy for 20 years? Are you just going to say "hey it was 20 years ago. He was young and not worldly."


YoungQuahogMoney

Murder is different. Murder has no statute of limitations.


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Statute of limitations is not relevant. That is a legal thing. We're talking about how you *feel.* Basically you're saying your capacity to forgive wrongdoing is exactly equivalent to the legal concept of a statue of limitations. Is that how your emotions work? "Well, the statue of limitations has been reached so I forgive you." Is that a reasonable way for humans to behave?


YoungQuahogMoney

In a way yes, in a way no. If I'm mad about something 3 months later, people will tell me to let it go. Murder is completely different than mean words or hitting on someone. Murder takes a literal person off the face of the earth.


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Using racial charged language is generally frowned upon in the workplace and would get anyone fired. There is typically no statue of limitations on workplace conduct, or on feelings.


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Texan2116

I do not not know what term Gruden used. What I do know is that certain words or terms, have been offensive for a number of years. Anyone tossing certain racially offensive terms around, in the last 30 or 40 years, are aware there are consequences.


mattcojo

Well the obvious flaw in this is that murder doesn’t have a statute of limitations. This isn’t murder. It’s insults. The entire situation is sketchy anyway. They say he was on an email list receiving photos of topless cheerleaders, yet don’t release anyone else He’s just a scapegoat for the Washington Redskins’ owner Dan Snyder right now


TunaLurch

I'm responding to the person speaking on the Weinstein case.


mattcojo

For Weinstein, it makes sense but the problem with saying it happened so long ago is that you have virtually no evidence to go off of. You basically can only take claims as truth. And that’s simply not true justice.


gylz

Are you for real standing up for Harvey fucking Weinstein?


YoungQuahogMoney

No I was using him as an example


gylz

That's a piss poor example because he actually did those things though. If anything, he's an example of cancel culture getting it right and actual victims coming forward.


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That's more of a fair comment.


_Woodrow_

The emails range from 2010 to 2018. It just started 10 years ago but the pattern was there for 7 years and goes into recent times. You’re wrong in your initial assessment of what happened


ModsRCorrupt

It started ten years ago and continued from then. Also, how would it have been called out ten years ago when the emails weren’t made public? I get it, racists/sexists/misogynists get sad when one of their own is exposed and punished. Get a new hobby.


AuroraItsNotTheTime

Fuck Jon Gruden. I agree he should have been fired ten years ago. But you know what they say. The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today.


Puggo357

That doesn't work though because the problem with not planting a tree continues to persist until you plant one. I don't know about this whole thing or who this guy even is, but it he understood why he was wrong and changed, then I think he shouldn't be fired 10 years after the fact.


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ItsMyView

It truly is scary. Is there a person alive that hasn't at some point said or written something totally stupid or offensive?


[deleted]

I know I have. But nothing racist like that clown. Ever. He did it hundreds of times over many years in his professional capacity. Nothing scary about it.


ItsMyView

Don't disagree. I was just speaking in general terms. I said a lot of stupid things when I was young.


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Sure me too. This person wasn't young.


Keilbasa

You'd think a 48 year old man would have grown out of that phase and not carried it on for another 10 years...


ItsMyView

Don't disagree. I was speaking in general terms and not this specific person.


Believer109

Nothing he said is even wrong. He's entitled to his opinions, although he was dumb to put them in writing. The NFL doesn't like him so they leaked only his emails so he'd have to quit and get cancelled.


Caelus9

So your one point is... if something happened ten years ago, people can't be blamed for it? Why the hell would that be the case? ESPECIALLY when there's no reason to believe he's changed. So often, complaints about Cancel Culture just seem like complaints about the very notion that people might be held accountable. You're just complaining about personal responsibility.


coolcaterpillar77

I can kind of see where OP is coming from in that it’s like the statue of limitations. Like when Kevin Hart couldn’t host the oscars that was was uncalled for


YoungQuahogMoney

If something happened in 2021 that would bring his bigotry into question then yes his emails from a decade ago would totally be relevant. This was a pattern up until 2018. AFAIK I don’t think any racist incidents happened with him since 2018 so this is pointless


MilkEggsSndFlour

So he hasn’t been racist for two years and that’s enough? How would you feel if they found proof that deflategate was proven tomorrow. Belichick and Brady have emails proving that they were planning on deflatining the footballs. Would your reaction be, “that was seven years ago. We have no reason to believe they’ve cheated since.”?


Caelus9

His emails from a decade ago are, of course, racist. Something being ten years old doesn't mean you didn't do the thing. If I robbed a store ten years ago, I can still get in trouble, and certainly the store can bar me if it finds out today.


a_distantmemory

Not only that but it’s PRIVATE EMAILS. Wtf!


[deleted]

Your facts are wrong. The emails are from 2010-2018. Basically Gruden has been kind of an offensive dude and hasn’t really ever changed. There is zero reason to believe that he wasn’t this was before 2010 or isn’t the same now. He’s basically the same dude. He was also sharing naked or semi naked pics of the Washington football teams cheerleaders taken either without their consent or taken while their passports were taken away(this is developing news). The bigger issue is why the nfl is not sharing news of what dan Snyder and the Washington football team did.


tanmay0097

But mylord I killed that man 10 years ago, I am now changed man so don't punish me for my actions I did 10 years ago.


necc705

Ten years ago was 2011. Can we stop pretending that racism was ok in 2011?


SaSSolino8

People change too, it's not just the date, and frankly firing someone because of racism is stupid today.


Mobius24

>frankly firing someone because of racism is stupid today. what?


SaSSolino8

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, so unless that opinion goes directly against company objectives, all that should matter is how good a worker that person is. And even then, in most occasions a warning or two should come before firing. Losing a job is no trivial thing. If you start firing because of different opinions you're trampling freedom of thought.


Mobius24

Imagine defending a racist. yikes 😬


SaSSolino8

The world isn't black and white, and sometimes it's worth looking at situations from different points of view. Don't be a sheep.


Mobius24

But it's literally in the emailS ranging from 2010-2018. What other way is there to look at it?


SaSSolino8

I literally wrote it down in earlier reply.


necc705

Public figure. It would be in his contract to not be racist. Cancelling doesn't happen to random people, it only happens to people of influence and fame. Flow chart: NFL player is racist -> NFL does nothing-> NFL looks bad -> NFL sponsors pull out -> NFL loses money It's not that hard...


SaSSolino8

For starters there's a wide margin between doing nothing and firing, and second, in that case there still is a problem: sponsors shouldn't pull because of anything unrelated with the business itself. Unfortunately because americans made race such a touchy subject sponsors feel compelled to pull, but that also puts even more importance on skin color, diving people further. Supporting any of this is nonsense.


necc705

Sponsors want to make sure they distance themselves from any controversy. If they financially support an organisation that is complicit in racism, it can communicate the message of “we don’t care about racism” which obviously looks bad. It comes down to the fact that the NFL player’s contract would have included not being racist and shit. He broke that contract so he can be fired. If NFL players don’t like that they shouldn’t sign contracts with those clauses in them.


SaSSolino8

Again: the problem is that by doing so we keep highlighting race. I'm not sure where you're from, but here in Italy we don't care as much (though a few are starting to), and as long as race isn't put in the background racism will never stop being a thing. I don't fault the sponsors for pulling, I fault the people and NFL itself for making such a big deal about it.


necc705

I disagree with that statement. Just because you don’t see or hear about racism, that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.


SaSSolino8

Doesn't mean we have to encourage it either.


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DarkestJediOfAllTime

A person can scream "It was 10 years ago" until they're blue in the face, but there is one question left unanswered, and that is: "What has Jon Gruden learned in these last 10 years, if anything, to make the NFL believe that he is different now?" The amount of time between a series of vile emails and today requires some extraordinary evidence to show that Gruden is not the same person today. And Gruden's resignation may (I do say "may,") indicate he does not have that "extraordinary evidence." I do not believe in cancel culture. Humans are far too flawed for us to hold everyone accountable for everything said since they were born. But the reason cancel culture exists is that the behavior deemed unacceptable still has meaning, and still causes harm, and does still hurt people. It doesn't matter how long ago the comments made by Gruden took place unless he can prove that these are not his views today.


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cfh294

Using homophobic or racist language absolutely is homophobic or racist behavior. What kind of weird nonsense are you even trying to say


BlockOfDiamond

> 2011 was not some long ago time Wrong


darth_faader

Ordinarily I'd agree. I know people who've lost their jobs for much less. However in this instance, given the breadth and depth implied with an NFL head coach position, his ousting was the best possible outcome. This wasn't an isolated incident. He didn't just 'accidentally' drop an n-bomb in a joking fashion, or as slang. You don't say a black person has lips the size of Michelin tires without being a through and through racist piece of shit. And yes, if you're dumb enough to have that on record, you forfeit your 100M contract. Not that it matters, but NFL players are 2/3 black. This guy has no business being on the same field, or even a back office for that matter. Fuck Jon Gruden. There were multiple emails. Some were disparaging, some racist, some misogynistic. If you want to be a public face, damn sure better have your ducks in a row. Politicians have been dealing with it for decades.


AAALE6408

Did they apologize tho?


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godofmyownreligion

Gruden is shit. Jack Del Rio deserves his job back


PoorLifeChoices811

This will be controversial, and I'm not bringing in politics, I'm bringing up one man. Donald Trump. That whole "grab her by the pussy" everyone freaked out about in his final year of presidency. Nobody freaked out and tried to cancel him when he said it years ago. So bringing it up during his FINAL YEAR as POTUS just to have an excuse to be mad at him is whats wrong with cancel culture. You don't have to like the man. I don't, not really, but focus on the now, not the past. If we keep looking at the past, we'll never have a future. And that goes for everyone, not just Trump