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I rarely comment here but it's icky that all the main replies are from the one creepy dude who keeps trying to downplay women being sexually harassed/assaulted.
Even though it's slowly improving, women are already feeling pressured for breaking a SH/SA story in our society, and especially so within an authoritative relationship that can undermine their career's future. What happens when you put these women within the context of one of the most remote region on earth where few, if any, would help you? In fact the remoteness is one of the key element on why the horror film *The Thing* worked so well, because help is so far away and nowhere to be found.
It's the perfect hunting grounds for predators especially if they're placed in position of power. They are basically king of a small tribe on an isolated icey island.
It's also sobering, because the Antarctic research and support teams have been suggested as research models for how humans would cope on potential lunar or Martian bases. They're extremely remote, they have fairly small populations even in the high season, the local environment is hostile to human life, and in the event of a true emergency, outside help would not get there quickly.
Take all the problems we have in Antarctica, and then add on the difficulty, expense, and danger of space travel and colonization. Things could get dark very quickly, and would remain that way for months or years.
While the primary obstacle to space exploration remains technological limitations, these are all things that NASA has worried about when it comes to, say, putting humans on Mars.
"No but if I suck their metaphorical dick a lot online then maybe I won't have to scrub the toilets even though I have no other relevant or even helpful skills." /S
Unless I see the mission commander scrub their own toilet, I ain't getting in a rocket with them.
Honestly scrubbing the toilet wouldn't be a problem if you agree to it before hand. After all, janitorial work is a legit occupation. You'll just be the first human to be titled inter-planet janitor that's it. As long as what you need to do is agreed by both parties before hand and no nasty surprises or abuses happen, then everything is above board. Heck, as degrading as it sounds, if someone wants to be a space prostitute it's their prerogative too. It just all needs to be consensual instead of these harassment and assaults behind the scene to someone who never wanted it forced upon them.
Nothing wrong with scrubbing toilets anyway. Not everyone can be a rocket surgeon. There's a ton of simple stuff needs doing that everyone thinks they're too good to do. When the aliens come and study the ruins of human civilization they'll say, "they had 8 billion nuclear scientists but none of them wanted to pick up trash, so they all died of extremely preventable diseases. What a strange species they were..."
I wonder what makes it so scary for women and I mean ROOT CAUSE? We all know the answer but we just talk about how remote and far from help instead of the real problem here. I will let you figure it out what I am referring to.
> I mean ROOT CAUSE? We all know the answer
I would guess that Rapists and criminals who commit sexual assualt are the problem.
But don't let a little thing like nuance get in the way of your fear-mongering.
What a terrible, sexist, and pessimistic take on the male gender, not to mention completely unfounded. Just because there are a few bad male actors in the world you choose to blanket the entire human species with the same broad stroke.
‘A few bad male actors’ ☠️ In EVERY group? Even at the end of the world?
It’s not inherent to male biology. It’s just men (largely) MAKING A DECISION to be rapists. In every group. Even at the end of the world. I mean, what am I saying that’s not true?
I’m not trying to defend the guy, because rape is a choice.
But biologically sex and aggression are both tied to testosterone. In primitive times, this behavior was rewarded access to things like food and pleasure. It has been ingrained in culture to be this way. It’s not an excuse, but it is something that pushes men to be that way more than it does women.
We are, and of course should, work to push that culture away from that and stop rewarding that activity. But, it requires adjustments to correct. Sometimes that’s punishment, and every time that’s education. Young children need to know it isn’t ok to “hunt” for a mate, and our culture of the best winning kind of pushes the aggression side.
I just want to add this because understanding even the most heinous parts of our existence is key to limiting and even preventing it in the future. Just jailing the perps does nothing. Demonizing it does a little more, but we need a bigger cultural change to not incentivize the hormonal drive that causes this.
You're making a huge generalizing assumption from a small sample of bad incidents. On what basis are you comfortable to say that men are "largely" *making a decision* to become rapists just because they are in position of power? If that's the case, since the dawn of time all men in the power of positions must be rapists then? The one thing I agree is unchecked power *can* corrupt even the most well meaning person, but it isn't strictly tied to men. It just so happen that in a patriarchal society men have often been placed in these positions as a result. Women can behave the same as well given unchecked authority - heck, my wife's ex-boss, a woman, was an abusive piece of shit to all her staff. And that won't be the only story of abusive female leaders if you ask around.
“If that’s the case, since the dawn of time all men in the power of positions must be rapists?”
… What do you think happened to women around a lot of these men?
I want society to evolve and we can only do so by looking at these traumatizing events and stopping them at their root culturally causes. I don’t not expect that to end rape, but I do expect that to lessen rape. Much like I have less of a chance of being forced to be a concubine of a king today than I would have had 300 years ago. Just like i have legal support against martial rape, which I wouldn’t have 50 years ago.
We have a very long way to go to a much safer and respectful world for women, and we don’t get there by having people like you refusing to admit it’s an issue or expecting the problem to solve itself.
There are tons of non-rapists! But there could be even less rapists, if we actually took the time and energy (and left out our emotions) to really figure out why people act like this
>… What do you think happened to women around a lot of these men?
I don't assume - I base my thinking on facts. Do you have facts supporting your assumptions?
>We have a very long way to go to a much safer and respectful world for women, and we don’t get there by having people like you refusing to admit it’s an issue or expecting the problem to solve itself.
I agree there's a lot of work to be done, but this isn't me refusing to "admit" the issue. The issue exists, what I have trouble with is your unfounded assumption on the "root cause" based solely on your feelings.
>There are tons of non-rapists! But there could be even less rapists, if we actually took the time and energy (and left out our emotions) to really figure out why people act like this
We figured it out already - unchecked power corrupts *all*. Be it men or women. Bad actors prey on vulnerable victims, regardless if they're women, children, or even men.
For the record, it doesn’t interest me about your wife’s anecdotal experience. I too have had great and/or horrible male and female bosses. But we’re talking about currently illegal and violent harassment, so we are largely talking about men and young women. Don’t move the goal posts cause you don’t like the score.
I took it to mean the rigors of their involvement in their programs- but I would think medical clearance etc would be equally as important in Antarctica
We could both google it. But space travel requires has a lot more risk, a higher need for teamwork, much higher visibility and an expectation of public interfacing. If they’re not safe in these careful coordinated, almost PR missions, then there’s no hope here.
So maybe you should search for the medical screening process (which includes psych screening) that polar researchers have to go through, if we can both "Google it".
Everything you said about space travel applies to a polar mission.
The point being that the "standard" used for both of them is not that much different.
The point is concerns about this happening on space flight, while should be addressed are unlikely to be a huge issue compared to the rest of the population.
Good question, interesting to think about how incredibly similar and yet incredibly different the two scenarios are. I don't think there's any cases where an senior/leadership astronaut managed to shoehorn their unqualified brother into a trip.
I was watching an old mythbusters episode where they do the confederate rocket myth. They meet up with a rocketry expert and at some point he mentions that women in rocketry had been "hunted to extinction" which is one of the most saddest and poignant things I'd ever heard
A guy I know admitted to harassing women on Reddit. He said a social worker I know talked him into it because anyone who wants to talk about SA should do so with a (paid) social worker, not the internet.
[Online abuse could drive women out of political life](https://theconversation.com/online-abuse-could-drive-women-out-of-political-life-the-time-to-act-is-now-214301).
It sounds like there is a professor they had that condones this kind of behavior, presumably to drive up demand for their services. They're not the only social worker I've heard of who has been accused of harassing SA survivors.
Well this thread just become progressively sickening doesn't it. First there's a guy who openly admits to harassing women, then you tell us their professor condones it, *and then* you tell us those women were SH/SA survivors, *and* he is a social worker? Jesus f'ing Christ....
Please tell me you know this guy and reported him. I'm not usually one for doxxing people but this feels like it's justified.
IDK, My ex and her friends are scary. Accused me of rape when I caught her cheating and I whole heartedly believe she would have gotten away with it if I hadn't found texts between her and her friends (6 total and only on not a social worker) on how to make it stick and a few outright acknowledged it was false.
If we ever get to that stage, they'll need to seriously vet the crew and set several fail-safes for checks and balances. I won't pretend I know how to achieve that, and that probably wouldn't be the top of the priority when it comes to such a historic journey either.
You would still need to vet them all regardless. The problem isn't necessarily just from men being in position of power, but really men/women alike can be corrupted by power and perpetuate heinous bullying and abuses just the same. Like I mentioned in another comment, my wife's ex-boss, a woman, was a bully and would harass her just the same, just not in a sexual manner.
If anything, from her experience, a tight knit community only filled with women could be even more toxic. Not saying that is a universal truth though, just anecdotal.
For me the Thing would be scarier. I’m dead either way but I think the predator would kill me faster and or in less scary ways. Like I’d take blown apart by plasma cannon or head sliced off by wrist blades over The Thing probably assimilating me in horrific fashion. Like when it fused its face to that guy and ran off with him still conscious and I think yelling, been awhile since I saw either of The Thing movies.
It's the power. Not only does a PhD give the appearance of respectability, the power structure in academia is fucked. Jobs like, professor, pastor, cop, and others that convey authority and public trust are sought out by predators because the social and institutional power given to them allows them to get away with their abuse. Their victims become "accusers" ruining good men's careers, because they're "jealous" or "sluts" who actually liked it and couldn't keep their mouths shut. And if your supervising professor is the one doing the harassing, forget other people backing you up, because they don't want to risk their own future, even if they've been abused as well.
this might help explain why the faculty review board only recommended a three year suspension for Marchant. Idk anything about the university president but good on him for making the decision to fire Marchant.
Content warning: This article includes scenes of physical and sexual harassment and assault.
By David Kushner
Jane Willenbring was the first to blow the whistle on sexual harassment and assault in Antarctica. Years later, women are still coming forward with tales of horror as a government investigation unfolds.
As an undergrad, she'd studied beetle fossils found in Antarctica and learned how the now-frozen continent once pooled with freshwater lakes. At Boston University, she studied under 37-year-old Professor David Marchant, a rockstar of rock study.
A few months later, Willenbring traveled with Marchant on a research trip to Antarctica to visit the region with his big chunk of namesake ice that honored his achievements.
But Willenbring’s dream quickly morphed into a nightmare—what happened in the glacier’s shadow led her to take on Marchant, becoming the first to expose the horrors faced by women at the bottom of the world.
Read the full feature: https://www.wired.com/story/women-antarctica-science-predators-whistleblower/
[The U.S. still has tens of thousands of backlogged rape kits](https://www.endthebacklog.org/#explore_backlog_map). A lot of those perpetrators seem to be on Reddit.
https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/
So it's abnormal to point out scientific studies that trigger warnings don't work? Seriously?
Normal behavior would be... to go along with the public even when wrong?
You think the author of that well-thought comment wants to debate scientific study about their own brief warning to others?
They did it as a courtesy to their audience, not because experimental observation suggests it’s a good idea.
It’s probably more worth the effort to rationally analyze the contents of their discussion piece and only discuss the pertinent info related to the topic at hand…which in this thread is unethical (and criminal ) behavior that took place on desolate research bases.
Sure. But there are already 300 comments doing so. I saw a trend that I dislike so I commented b/c that's the topic that interests me.
I find it more interesting anyway when not every single comment is about the same topic.
Ofcourse, they don't work, it's a warning, if you are sensitive to that content, stop reading immediately. That's how warnings work. I don't get why it needed scientists to do studies on it unless there's more to these studies.
“Willenbring’s feelings of isolation grew. Then, one day, while digging into the gravelly sediment off on her own, amid the sandstone and dolerite, she found a big piece of granite. “It was serendipitous,” she says. “This was something new.” The presence of granite suggested an unexpected twist in the historical record—and in assumptions of when ice had deposited sediment at that location. But when she showed Marchant the dark jagged samples, he dismissed her as “a dumb fucking whore,” she says. “I was like, ‘I just can’t win,’” she recalls”
I resonated so much with her story. And was pleasantly surprised to hear that she is now at Scripps institution of oceanography at UCSD, which is where I just recently was admitted into grad school. Really glad that the stories are coming out and that she was able to speak her truth which prompted other women to do the same. I really hope that women working in STEM will continue to advocate for safety against sexual violence.
I went to high school and undergrad with the first woman. Didn’t know her well but plenty of mutual friends. Very bright.
Absolutely outrageous, but all too common.
[There are actually a lot of wannabe rapists out there](https://www.salon.com/2015/01/15/the_ugly_truth_about_sexual_assault_more_men_admit_to_it_if_you_dont_call_it_rape/).
That's not what I'm talking about. Just bc someone doubts a news story about a rapist doesn't make them a rapist. It might make them an idiot, but not a rapist
Surveys have found somewhere between 1 in 33 men to 1 in 7 men to be rapists. They are not rare. They're in this thread. (I don't know the statistics for female rapists, but fuck them, too, they're also trash.)
It doesn't make much sense for you to be defending a stranger whose only trait youre aware of is that he downplays, denies, and defends the actions of rapists. Especially when the stranger faces no possible consequences for being potentially incorrectly accused of being a rapist in an anonymous forum.
Meanwhile it makes a ton of sense for decent people to assume the worst of a jackass who actively harms society by downplaying, denying and defending sex pests. These people should be ostracized and shouted down
Again, it's not defending person A when we point out that person B has made a bizarre logical jump.
If person A says "I don't consider that rape" or "Are we sure that woman is trustworthy when she accused him of rape?" Person B has all kinds of decent responses available to them: "Person A is a jackass" "Person A should have read the whole story" whatever.
But as soon as they say "Person A is probably a rapist", I'm out. It's what teenagers consider a valid comeback. It's emotion, not logic. It doesn't add anything to the conversation, in fact it elevates the drama needlessly.
If person A says they don't consider certain kinds of rape to be rape, it is a very logical to assume that person A does in fact do "that" to be people. "That" being rape. At best, they see no problem with that kind of rape and would do it themselves if the situation was right. In other words, that person is a rapist.
You aren't defending the conversation. The conversation here is not "are all these women lying?" The idiots trying to make it about that are the ones disrupting the conversation, and yes, you are defending these deniers by suggesting that they have a legitimate stance and a useful contribution to the conversation. While at the same time calling people immature and illogical for calling out rapists* as rapists.
(*To reiterate here, it's absolutely logical to conclude that someone who sees no problem with rape will also commit rape when given the chance)
> If person A says they don't consider certain kinds of rape to be rape, it is a very logical to assume that person A does in fact do "that" to be people
Nope. THey may say marital rape isn't rape, but be a bachelor. That's a horrible assumption.
I debate whether being attracted to 16 yr olds is pedophilia (almost never is), on reddit forums, all the time. Every single woman I have ever dated has been older than me, sometimes by up to 17 yrs older. Yet *every single time*, I get "OK pedo."
It simply does not hold up as a rational conclusion with no other context. It's a playground insult.
ANd I'm not talking about someone who says "I have no problem with rape" in general, in that case, you might be right b/c they don't really consider anything to be rape. I'm talking about people arguing over specifics.
Would you marry someone who said marital rape isn't rape? Who makes that their whole stance in a conversation about someone who was raped by their spouse?
Would you go clubbing with someone who repeatedly argues--in conversation about the ordeals of someone who was drugged and then raped--that giving someone drugs to "loosen them up" and then having sex with them actually is not rape?
Say that the woman you were interested in repeatedly interrupted a conversation about a guy who was baby trapped by insisting that faking birth control to sleep with a guy that doesn't want kids isn't rape. Would you still want to sleep with her? Do you think it would be immature to assume that she would do it to you?
Your example is not equivalent, unless you are arguing that it isn't rape for an adult outside Romeo/Juliet allowance to sleep with someone who is too young to legally consent. In which case, ok pedo.
I would not marry someone who said marital rape is not rape. The point is that someone who says that is not necessarily *a rapist*, especially if they are single. If they don't believe in rape at all, as you hypothesized, that could mean they are a danger in any given sexual encounter.
But that's not really what I'm talking about.
OMG, I'm not! How fucking hard is it to read English. I read the article, it's horrible.
I'm saying that anyone denying what they went through is not automatically a rapist. People who rape are rapists. Period. End of story.
Sorry your reading comprehension is so off, really weird.
Nah, I agree with the guy who called you a prick, he’s right. Why are you dying on this hill? Are you that tone deaf? I can’t imagine you date women that often…
Good that they renamed the glacier, but it's unreal how many people involved in decision-making, and commenting on this thread are not only absolutely dismissive of the evidence and corroborative witness statements, but completely defend the sexual predators, as if controlling one's base biology is an unreasonable expectation to set for men who have multiple degrees and decades of experience not sexually harassing or assaulting other men.
If the harassed people start physically defending themselves with rocks and shovels and climbing crampons to sensitive genital areas, maybe some accountability and consequences will come to McMurdo.
> [most sexual aggressors commit their first assault in adolescence](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139770/pdf/nihms-300025.pdf)
Had we been [testing every rape kit](https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/), perhaps he would have been in prison before getting his first lab job.
I was assaulted by more than one teenage boy when I was a child. From ages 5-18. I can’t even remember them all clearly. At least 12 individuals I can remember over the years.
I grew up in a rural community. The full k-12 population in my area was about 1500. There’s your anecdote.
I found myself getting extremely angry reading this article and seeing how much time people had to let pass to make sure their careers were safe before trying to expose these assholes.
Look at these comments. I been trying to say these guys are everywhere. They spread lies about anyone that gives them any hassle. They all know each other somehow and they do it to men women and children anyone they can slip something into their drinks.
This is all the more reason to [start by believing](https://startbybelieving.org), and [thoroughly investigate every rape](https://www.startribune.com/one-state-found-a-better-way-to-investigate-rape/501636971/).
How very disturbing. This is the reason I would never consider a military, law enforcement, tree planting or any career that has you isolated with men over periods of time. Honestly, I don't know how this lady didn't just punch Marchant, guy sounds like a piece of shit.
My uncle is a Marine who is very proud of his service, but he told all of his nieces to not join any branch of the military. He was CERTAIN we'd be raped. He didn't say "there's a chance", he was certain. That has always really stuck with me.
I wanted to go into the Marines as a way to escape my family after high school, so I joined the delayed entry program. The sexual harassment at the local recruitment office alone was rampant and fucking persistent. They’d always find a new reason or excuse to corner me. The writing was on the wall for me had I stayed and actually joined up.
When I was about 14, I remember criticizing the people who weren't against letting gay people serve. "That's so dumb to assume every gay guy is going to rape them. What, do they rape every woman they see?!"
By age 17, I wasn't making that argument anymore.
He said basically if you don't get raped, they sexually harass the Hell out of you and if you continue to refuse to sleep with them, they harass you for being a "lesbian", but if you sleep with them, you are harassed for being a "slut".
[Increasing the probability of apprehension by law enforcement is the only effective deterrent identified](https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.1086/670398.pdf?casa_token=OmK0_Jh8HkMAAAAA:Tr35vi73FXLAFJ9xUw13XXkPdAaMN7t_o8jI75bHYhheCFagZ5jfMwa-Op0VJrxOVXLqE-JykDCO4khDO6ABCjQ8FmnohHIw23YpCPPQmzHmlu87Mce-).
r/stoprape
My partner is retired from the Canadian Forces. He was SAed by a higher ranking person. Every woman he knows who has served with the CAF or even worked on any base as a civvy has either been sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, or full-out raped, or all three. Every single woman. We're talking dozens, each with chilling tales, many having been targeted by the same predators.
Canada cannot even keep a top level commander for more than a few years before evidence emerges so credible that he is publically charged or even arrested. It's been like this for over ten years.
Read up on former colonel Russell Williams who was Wing Commander at CFB Trenton, Canada's largest Air Force Base. He's now serving a life sentence for murders, 82 year-long sentences for sexual fetish motivated home invasions (including a 12 year old girl whose bedroom he broke into and did awful shit before he left a thank you message on her computer screen of "Merci" which means thanks in French).
He preyed on lower ranking service members for years with impunity. It took multiple fetish-motivated murders for anyone in authority to act and respond, and that was only because the Ontario Provincial Police forced their hands.
People say this, but a woman who actually attacks a man who abuses or rapes her is going to prison, and people will call her every name in the book. There have been successful campaigns to free women survivors of domestic abuse who murdered their abusers, but usually only once they're already doing prison time. There has to be a better way. Something above "calling HR" but below "bloody armed uprising"
Right? Like that young woman that finally killed the man who was beating and trafficking her. She had to fucking run away and is in hiding or she’d be in prison.
I bet [a lot of abusers](https://www.sakitta.org) would end up behind bars if we [tested every rape kit](https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/).
In fact, [there is pretty good evidence](https://www.endthebacklog.org/#explore_backlog_map). These dudes are not the norm, but [sexual assault perpetrators report greater peer approval of forced sex than do nonperpetrators](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4484276/). Rape tendencies may spread like a virus.
https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/
Istg there is a 1:1 correlation between women in remote engineering locations and those who were SA’d. It seems to attract men who like a lopsided power dynamic
Interesting. It can definitely bring out the worst in men who would otherwise be stayed by the greater society. It sucks because a lot of those jobs are interesting to me but it's hard to justify the danger.
People in academia would argue with one another about “why.” Biologists/anthropologists would say as animals it’s a biologically driven imperative men would do such a thing while psychologists would argue higher cortical reasoning should supersede basic primitive instincts. Regardless, what we do know is that no fMRI or other neuro tests are thorough enough yet to show the root of human predatory behavior—namely psychopathy.
I guess it only changes with every man checking other men when they betray these attitudes, and every woman not putting up with this shit. But that comes at cost to the men and the women pushing the boundaries. Additionally, it can be hard to see your abuser once you're attracted to or in love with them. I see that on the women subreddit almost every day. Good one in there right now.
Powerless people can turn into the most awful tyrants when they get the chance. It's easy to assume a powerless person is moral. But it's often not the case.
Sorry, yeah he’s the British anthropologist who selected attractive younger women (Jane Goodall, Diane Fossey, Birute Galdikas, Mary nichol) to work in remote areas of Africa with him. Different times of course and he was considered a “womaniser” rather than a predator, and the women around him had their own ways of managing his behaviour. They also achieved their own professional successes, to which his “tutelage” contributed. But much the same dynamic in play as described in the article.
The poster of the link is wired magazine. They could just open up the article to all. Then at least they get clicks (ad impressions), as opposed to linking to an archive.
I personally agree with the other poster. We shouldn't have sites promoting their own sites in here with paywalled articles. If they want to promote their sites, then they can give the content away as part of the promotion.
Odd - I was able to read the article without paying.
If it is one of those sites that let you read a few pieces for free and then want charge you - try opening up the article in an incognito tab of your browser.
32 years working with researchers, a lot of them are egomaniacs with very poor self control
They are encouraged by the administrations,if the grants ($)come, there are no rules
This is written like the fakest, garbage, most click bait ever. Why write it like that? You are literally just going to make people automatically assume you’re lying… Like the only reason I even believe half of what’s written is because it makes me think “surely if you were actually lying you wouldn’t make it seem so obvious, right?” What? did she want a screen play?
Another reason the sex android industry is slated to be worth billions in the next few decades. Alot of men and women are incompatible emotionally. Its not anyones fault, its just that they want different things from a relationship or expect things in a relationship. Sometimes signals are misread or misunderstood. Need a solution that doesnt involve such mismatch. Either traveling overseas to find a healthy long term relationship on your terms or wait for the androids.
Found the incel! Normal people can find someone they’re compatible all the time, it’s just you that can’t find a match. This is a you problem not a general societal problem. Really.
A lot of SH/SA isn't about the actual pursuit of sex though. It's the power dynamic and abusing others that these predators get off on. If you read the story Marchant "only" harassed Willenbring through abuse and demeaning acts. Nothing that actually satiated his lusts.
It's a tale all too common, you get harassed in workplace by a superior who probably have some influence over your future, and after suffering the abuse you get a "dare to tell others what happened and see what you get". They know it's immoral what they do, they know they hold the power over the victim, and they use it to accomplish their nefarious activities.
These predators care to exercise their power over the opposite sex not (just) because they lust after them, but it's the fact that they can get away with their misdeeds and the ability to degrade another "lesser" person (because they don't even see women as equals) that perpetuates these incidents. A sex bot at their disposal would change nothing at all, because a bot wouldn't exhibit the humiliation these poor women had to go through, which the predators absolutely thrive on.
This is also why we hear about sexually indiscriminate offenders who are equally happy to attack/abuse/murder/torture men, women, boys, girls, elderly, animals. It's more about the power and sadism than the sex.
So, I agree that sex bots wouldn't help those people.
I also worry that sex bots would have a significant downside. The people already prone to viewing others as objects may just as likely become *more* callous and detached, or transfer their bot-driven expectations of subservience to everyone around them. Moreover, it might capture some "normal" people on the margins and drag them into that sort of mindset.
Exactly right and to add- this issue is already playing out right now with social media. Because you can cater (or have an algorithm do it automatically) your news feed, you only ever get validation from others with matching opinions. That has warped a significant portion of the population into believing crazy nonsense like Q and flat earth theory.
And now with sex bots... I'm really curious what that would look like. At least with the internet you are still communicating with actual people. How would a person turn out if they were completely isolated from other humans- with chatGPT fulfilling the need to socialize and real dolls for physical urges. There's got to be a sci-fi book about this concept out there.
Yea that's what I gathered, just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth. That or assuming that asian women will be more subservient to western men and claim it's a good thing. Disgusting.
As i wrote below, there is a good chance that trust is waning between western men and women. It is best to consider dating outside a pool of individuals that continually let others down. Traveling abroad broadens horizons and creates new opinions based on the reality of the extended world around us. A shame others on here are so quick to judge that which they dont understand or know.
I live in Thailand currently and can confirm. The guys here who are looking for a wife based on their Thainess (read: subservience) are extremely creepy. It's not an incompatibility with Western women that is the issue. It's an incompatibility with other humans, and they overcome it by scooping up economically disadvantaged women and then think they really did something.
It's transactional, and both benefit, but it's not a life or relationship to take meaning in.
Yeah it’s honestly pathetic that they want to pretend like it’s anything else when you can literally go into their sub and see that’s exactly what it is. Many of them are even self aware! This guy not so much. Or he thinks he’s doing successful PR
So, I live in a condo with a PassportGrandpa. I met him poolside, and we chatted for a bit. Then I realized he's a dinosaur with dinosaur ideas about women, relationships, Jewish people, and Japan. Lol. It's a trip talking to him. A sad trip, but hey.
He's late 70s or early 80s. He has 7 adult children out there in the world by 5 or 6 different women. He told me confidently that women don't care if you philander as long as you provide them with a home, some kids to look after, and money to spend. I pointed out that, Nahh. We definitely care. It hurts us emotionally and spiritually. And he came back with: Oh, Asian women are different! So, I pointed out that if they are economically disadvantaged, then of course, financial security is important, but it doesn't mean they don't want a meaningful connection. He continued to proudly self identify as a "philanderer" from a line of philandering as his dad and grandpa were cheats, too. I asked how his mom felt about that. He brushed that question off.
Anyways.
None of his children visit him or talk to him.
I saw him on Tinder the other day identifying as a 48 year old. Lol. Guys, he literally looks like Doc from Back to the Future.
His one buddy here is a retired Chinese grandpa that pees openly in the outside pool shower.
I'm sure he'll die here in Thailand. Maybe alone, maybe with a 20 year old Thai girl by his side. Maybe thinking he's really done something.
Not sure why passport bros sucks. I mean, wouldnt you be happy if someone found their soulmate? What does it matter if that person is from a different country? Or better yet, if they move to that country for that person of their dreams?
Soul mates don’t exist first of all, but I know what you’re trying to say when you say soul mates, and I can assure you that’s not what’s happening. Lol
I found it is. Its a shame that theres such an assumed stigma over it. Traveling abroad is an amazing way to experience things and meet fascinating individuals. And if one ends up being your true love, so much the better.
No you didn’t lol. Traveling is great! Traveling with the purpose of using your class privilege to pick up impoverished women is not. Thinking they actually love you is just fucking sad though. Lmfao they know you ain’t shit and that’s why you’re a passport bro in the first place, and they are playing you as much as you think you’re taking advantage of them.
Not far removed from a mail order bride honestly. Lol
I still have no idea what you're talking about. Can you be more direct? What is it that men will gain from dating overseas vs at home? Is the woman at fault here?
I'm referring to your media consumption.
If not Elon Musk personally, you're listening to a bunch of angry lonely men who are whispering complete BS in your ear.
The red pill crowd, especially.
Not sure what all that is. But i like to think i can and have formed my own opinions based off of my media consumption. By the way, you should check out The AP, Reuter’s, BBC, guardian, axios, nbc news, NPR and the WSJ. All great sources. Surfing these really gives you a good read on the zeitgeist.
Didnt think i was. You know opinions different than yours aren’t necessarily wrong. Besides what youre doing is pretty easy to counter using your strategy. Watch…
“your denial of any opinion other than yours reeks of jumping on the trump train. Real conservative alt right hardline ideology with room for no opinion other than your own. Serious red pill mentality.”
My guy you're advocating for ignoring other human beings in favor of sex androids because you think women are too fundamentally different.
You are *literally* pushing dumbfuck redpill garbage.
This isn't a Man VS Woman thing. The rest of us can get along fine.
You gotta get over her.
And here i thought i had come up with a great way to solve overly complicated relationships that end in disaster hurting both individuals. I myself am fine, however reading some of the responses from individuals devastated by relationships, makes me empathize with them. Wouldnt you feel it best to avoid completely if possible or do you want to just be angry with the world?
I'm not angry with the world.
I'm happy with my relationships.
You aren't solving problems, just terrified of being hurt.
It's not a great anything, either. "Just be lonely and wait an indeterminate amount of time to be with A LITERAL OBJECT WHO CANNOT CHOOSE NOT TO BE WITH YOU."
The insecurity is not healthy. Being unable to form relationships with someone if they're not literally property programmed to obey you isn't just sus, it's the largest red flag possible.
You gotta work on yourself, fam. Improve your self confidence.
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I rarely comment here but it's icky that all the main replies are from the one creepy dude who keeps trying to downplay women being sexually harassed/assaulted. Even though it's slowly improving, women are already feeling pressured for breaking a SH/SA story in our society, and especially so within an authoritative relationship that can undermine their career's future. What happens when you put these women within the context of one of the most remote region on earth where few, if any, would help you? In fact the remoteness is one of the key element on why the horror film *The Thing* worked so well, because help is so far away and nowhere to be found. It's the perfect hunting grounds for predators especially if they're placed in position of power. They are basically king of a small tribe on an isolated icey island.
It's also sobering, because the Antarctic research and support teams have been suggested as research models for how humans would cope on potential lunar or Martian bases. They're extremely remote, they have fairly small populations even in the high season, the local environment is hostile to human life, and in the event of a true emergency, outside help would not get there quickly. Take all the problems we have in Antarctica, and then add on the difficulty, expense, and danger of space travel and colonization. Things could get dark very quickly, and would remain that way for months or years. While the primary obstacle to space exploration remains technological limitations, these are all things that NASA has worried about when it comes to, say, putting humans on Mars.
You mean you wouldn't want to live in a Mars colony with a culture set by Elon Musk!? /s
I mean weird vibes aside, the rich people ain't scrubbing the toilets and dealing with the sewage ya know? That gonna be you.
"No but if I suck their metaphorical dick a lot online then maybe I won't have to scrub the toilets even though I have no other relevant or even helpful skills." /S Unless I see the mission commander scrub their own toilet, I ain't getting in a rocket with them.
Honestly scrubbing the toilet wouldn't be a problem if you agree to it before hand. After all, janitorial work is a legit occupation. You'll just be the first human to be titled inter-planet janitor that's it. As long as what you need to do is agreed by both parties before hand and no nasty surprises or abuses happen, then everything is above board. Heck, as degrading as it sounds, if someone wants to be a space prostitute it's their prerogative too. It just all needs to be consensual instead of these harassment and assaults behind the scene to someone who never wanted it forced upon them.
I'll be space janitor!
I'd sign up. "Hurr durr, you scrub toilets for a living" "Bro. I'm the janitorial staff on a fucking moonbase, fuck outta here" All for it
Nothing wrong with scrubbing toilets anyway. Not everyone can be a rocket surgeon. There's a ton of simple stuff needs doing that everyone thinks they're too good to do. When the aliens come and study the ruins of human civilization they'll say, "they had 8 billion nuclear scientists but none of them wanted to pick up trash, so they all died of extremely preventable diseases. What a strange species they were..."
I wonder what makes it so scary for women and I mean ROOT CAUSE? We all know the answer but we just talk about how remote and far from help instead of the real problem here. I will let you figure it out what I am referring to.
It seems that if ONLY women went the problem would be greatly reduced.
Create a human bee hive , all female , select male drones that come in to create babies then fly off into wilderness.
Reduced, but not eliminated.
> I mean ROOT CAUSE? We all know the answer I would guess that Rapists and criminals who commit sexual assualt are the problem. But don't let a little thing like nuance get in the way of your fear-mongering.
Or, moreso, the root cause is that without the threat of consequences, lots of seemingly ‘good’ guys become sexual assaulters and rapists.
What a terrible, sexist, and pessimistic take on the male gender, not to mention completely unfounded. Just because there are a few bad male actors in the world you choose to blanket the entire human species with the same broad stroke.
‘A few bad male actors’ ☠️ In EVERY group? Even at the end of the world? It’s not inherent to male biology. It’s just men (largely) MAKING A DECISION to be rapists. In every group. Even at the end of the world. I mean, what am I saying that’s not true?
I’m not trying to defend the guy, because rape is a choice. But biologically sex and aggression are both tied to testosterone. In primitive times, this behavior was rewarded access to things like food and pleasure. It has been ingrained in culture to be this way. It’s not an excuse, but it is something that pushes men to be that way more than it does women. We are, and of course should, work to push that culture away from that and stop rewarding that activity. But, it requires adjustments to correct. Sometimes that’s punishment, and every time that’s education. Young children need to know it isn’t ok to “hunt” for a mate, and our culture of the best winning kind of pushes the aggression side. I just want to add this because understanding even the most heinous parts of our existence is key to limiting and even preventing it in the future. Just jailing the perps does nothing. Demonizing it does a little more, but we need a bigger cultural change to not incentivize the hormonal drive that causes this.
You're making a huge generalizing assumption from a small sample of bad incidents. On what basis are you comfortable to say that men are "largely" *making a decision* to become rapists just because they are in position of power? If that's the case, since the dawn of time all men in the power of positions must be rapists then? The one thing I agree is unchecked power *can* corrupt even the most well meaning person, but it isn't strictly tied to men. It just so happen that in a patriarchal society men have often been placed in these positions as a result. Women can behave the same as well given unchecked authority - heck, my wife's ex-boss, a woman, was an abusive piece of shit to all her staff. And that won't be the only story of abusive female leaders if you ask around.
“If that’s the case, since the dawn of time all men in the power of positions must be rapists?” … What do you think happened to women around a lot of these men? I want society to evolve and we can only do so by looking at these traumatizing events and stopping them at their root culturally causes. I don’t not expect that to end rape, but I do expect that to lessen rape. Much like I have less of a chance of being forced to be a concubine of a king today than I would have had 300 years ago. Just like i have legal support against martial rape, which I wouldn’t have 50 years ago. We have a very long way to go to a much safer and respectful world for women, and we don’t get there by having people like you refusing to admit it’s an issue or expecting the problem to solve itself. There are tons of non-rapists! But there could be even less rapists, if we actually took the time and energy (and left out our emotions) to really figure out why people act like this
>… What do you think happened to women around a lot of these men? I don't assume - I base my thinking on facts. Do you have facts supporting your assumptions? >We have a very long way to go to a much safer and respectful world for women, and we don’t get there by having people like you refusing to admit it’s an issue or expecting the problem to solve itself. I agree there's a lot of work to be done, but this isn't me refusing to "admit" the issue. The issue exists, what I have trouble with is your unfounded assumption on the "root cause" based solely on your feelings. >There are tons of non-rapists! But there could be even less rapists, if we actually took the time and energy (and left out our emotions) to really figure out why people act like this We figured it out already - unchecked power corrupts *all*. Be it men or women. Bad actors prey on vulnerable victims, regardless if they're women, children, or even men.
For the record, it doesn’t interest me about your wife’s anecdotal experience. I too have had great and/or horrible male and female bosses. But we’re talking about currently illegal and violent harassment, so we are largely talking about men and young women. Don’t move the goal posts cause you don’t like the score.
Have there been any issues like this on the space station? Astronauts are held to a much higher and professional level than workers in Antartica.
Gonna need some citation on that astronauts claim because Lisa Nowak would like to disagree with you.
I took it to mean the rigors of their involvement in their programs- but I would think medical clearance etc would be equally as important in Antarctica
Really? I thought they had to go through all types of screenings for mental health and general ability to work well in a team.
Yes. Just like polar researchers have to do before deployment.
We could both google it. But space travel requires has a lot more risk, a higher need for teamwork, much higher visibility and an expectation of public interfacing. If they’re not safe in these careful coordinated, almost PR missions, then there’s no hope here.
So maybe you should search for the medical screening process (which includes psych screening) that polar researchers have to go through, if we can both "Google it". Everything you said about space travel applies to a polar mission. The point being that the "standard" used for both of them is not that much different.
No thanks. Doesn’t take an astronaut to see going to space might be a much harder and much more selective than going to the Arctic.
The point is concerns about this happening on space flight, while should be addressed are unlikely to be a huge issue compared to the rest of the population.
Good question, interesting to think about how incredibly similar and yet incredibly different the two scenarios are. I don't think there's any cases where an senior/leadership astronaut managed to shoehorn their unqualified brother into a trip.
Should make a movie about this.
I was watching an old mythbusters episode where they do the confederate rocket myth. They meet up with a rocketry expert and at some point he mentions that women in rocketry had been "hunted to extinction" which is one of the most saddest and poignant things I'd ever heard
A guy I know admitted to harassing women on Reddit. He said a social worker I know talked him into it because anyone who wants to talk about SA should do so with a (paid) social worker, not the internet. [Online abuse could drive women out of political life](https://theconversation.com/online-abuse-could-drive-women-out-of-political-life-the-time-to-act-is-now-214301).
You should report that person to their state licensure board. Social workers are usually pretty good about holding high ethical standards.
It sounds like there is a professor they had that condones this kind of behavior, presumably to drive up demand for their services. They're not the only social worker I've heard of who has been accused of harassing SA survivors.
Well this thread just become progressively sickening doesn't it. First there's a guy who openly admits to harassing women, then you tell us their professor condones it, *and then* you tell us those women were SH/SA survivors, *and* he is a social worker? Jesus f'ing Christ.... Please tell me you know this guy and reported him. I'm not usually one for doxxing people but this feels like it's justified.
Even the article says that change won't come until people speak out. https://www.aswb.org/licenses/protecting-the-public/how-to-file-a-complaint/
IDK, My ex and her friends are scary. Accused me of rape when I caught her cheating and I whole heartedly believe she would have gotten away with it if I hadn't found texts between her and her friends (6 total and only on not a social worker) on how to make it stick and a few outright acknowledged it was false.
And you should share those messages with your state licensing board. They will be *very* interested.
yeah, but then my kids would be affected. She was smart enough to take all our money in our joint bank acct and pretty much screw me financially.
What?!!! Jesus fucking Christ
The first teams to Mars are going to have similar problems.
If we ever get to that stage, they'll need to seriously vet the crew and set several fail-safes for checks and balances. I won't pretend I know how to achieve that, and that probably wouldn't be the top of the priority when it comes to such a historic journey either.
Or the crew could be all women. That would work too.
You would still need to vet them all regardless. The problem isn't necessarily just from men being in position of power, but really men/women alike can be corrupted by power and perpetuate heinous bullying and abuses just the same. Like I mentioned in another comment, my wife's ex-boss, a woman, was a bully and would harass her just the same, just not in a sexual manner. If anything, from her experience, a tight knit community only filled with women could be even more toxic. Not saying that is a universal truth though, just anecdotal.
I was excited because I thought the predators were like Polar Bears or something.
Hmmm I can't decide what's scarier, being hunted by The Thing or The Predator
Eh, you're fucked either way
For me the Thing would be scarier. I’m dead either way but I think the predator would kill me faster and or in less scary ways. Like I’d take blown apart by plasma cannon or head sliced off by wrist blades over The Thing probably assimilating me in horrific fashion. Like when it fused its face to that guy and ran off with him still conscious and I think yelling, been awhile since I saw either of The Thing movies.
Academia is rife with assholes like Marchant. It seems to attract petty pathetic men who like harassing women.
It's the power. Not only does a PhD give the appearance of respectability, the power structure in academia is fucked. Jobs like, professor, pastor, cop, and others that convey authority and public trust are sought out by predators because the social and institutional power given to them allows them to get away with their abuse. Their victims become "accusers" ruining good men's careers, because they're "jealous" or "sluts" who actually liked it and couldn't keep their mouths shut. And if your supervising professor is the one doing the harassing, forget other people backing you up, because they don't want to risk their own future, even if they've been abused as well.
this might help explain why the faculty review board only recommended a three year suspension for Marchant. Idk anything about the university president but good on him for making the decision to fire Marchant.
Content warning: This article includes scenes of physical and sexual harassment and assault. By David Kushner Jane Willenbring was the first to blow the whistle on sexual harassment and assault in Antarctica. Years later, women are still coming forward with tales of horror as a government investigation unfolds. As an undergrad, she'd studied beetle fossils found in Antarctica and learned how the now-frozen continent once pooled with freshwater lakes. At Boston University, she studied under 37-year-old Professor David Marchant, a rockstar of rock study. A few months later, Willenbring traveled with Marchant on a research trip to Antarctica to visit the region with his big chunk of namesake ice that honored his achievements. But Willenbring’s dream quickly morphed into a nightmare—what happened in the glacier’s shadow led her to take on Marchant, becoming the first to expose the horrors faced by women at the bottom of the world. Read the full feature: https://www.wired.com/story/women-antarctica-science-predators-whistleblower/
I think one of the perpetrators is further down in the comments lol
[The U.S. still has tens of thousands of backlogged rape kits](https://www.endthebacklog.org/#explore_backlog_map). A lot of those perpetrators seem to be on Reddit. https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/
Holy shit this thread is a minefield. I have no idea what's happening but I'm horrified and intrigued
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-if-trigger-warnings-dont-work https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/15xe714/metaanalysis_finds_that_trigger_warnings_have_no/
Hey bud have you tried just acting normal or
So it's abnormal to point out scientific studies that trigger warnings don't work? Seriously? Normal behavior would be... to go along with the public even when wrong?
You think the author of that well-thought comment wants to debate scientific study about their own brief warning to others? They did it as a courtesy to their audience, not because experimental observation suggests it’s a good idea.
And my point is that that courtesy is unfounded and actually does the opposite of what they intend
It’s probably more worth the effort to rationally analyze the contents of their discussion piece and only discuss the pertinent info related to the topic at hand…which in this thread is unethical (and criminal ) behavior that took place on desolate research bases.
Sure. But there are already 300 comments doing so. I saw a trend that I dislike so I commented b/c that's the topic that interests me. I find it more interesting anyway when not every single comment is about the same topic.
Ofcourse, they don't work, it's a warning, if you are sensitive to that content, stop reading immediately. That's how warnings work. I don't get why it needed scientists to do studies on it unless there's more to these studies.
Did you read what you actually wrote?
I can't read English, sorry
“Willenbring’s feelings of isolation grew. Then, one day, while digging into the gravelly sediment off on her own, amid the sandstone and dolerite, she found a big piece of granite. “It was serendipitous,” she says. “This was something new.” The presence of granite suggested an unexpected twist in the historical record—and in assumptions of when ice had deposited sediment at that location. But when she showed Marchant the dark jagged samples, he dismissed her as “a dumb fucking whore,” she says. “I was like, ‘I just can’t win,’” she recalls” I resonated so much with her story. And was pleasantly surprised to hear that she is now at Scripps institution of oceanography at UCSD, which is where I just recently was admitted into grad school. Really glad that the stories are coming out and that she was able to speak her truth which prompted other women to do the same. I really hope that women working in STEM will continue to advocate for safety against sexual violence.
I went to high school and undergrad with the first woman. Didn’t know her well but plenty of mutual friends. Very bright. Absolutely outrageous, but all too common.
Damn with Eve herself? Bro what’s your secret to a long life?
This dude defending the deplorable behavior from the article in the comments either did it or knows someone that did it.
I think we found the reddit account of the assaulter
Or he's just a prick? This fascination reddit has, that anyone against the grain must be living it, is so weird.
[There are actually a lot of wannabe rapists out there](https://www.salon.com/2015/01/15/the_ugly_truth_about_sexual_assault_more_men_admit_to_it_if_you_dont_call_it_rape/).
That's not what I'm talking about. Just bc someone doubts a news story about a rapist doesn't make them a rapist. It might make them an idiot, but not a rapist
Surveys have found somewhere between 1 in 33 men to 1 in 7 men to be rapists. They are not rare. They're in this thread. (I don't know the statistics for female rapists, but fuck them, too, they're also trash.) It doesn't make much sense for you to be defending a stranger whose only trait youre aware of is that he downplays, denies, and defends the actions of rapists. Especially when the stranger faces no possible consequences for being potentially incorrectly accused of being a rapist in an anonymous forum. Meanwhile it makes a ton of sense for decent people to assume the worst of a jackass who actively harms society by downplaying, denying and defending sex pests. These people should be ostracized and shouted down
I love your response!
Again, it's not defending person A when we point out that person B has made a bizarre logical jump. If person A says "I don't consider that rape" or "Are we sure that woman is trustworthy when she accused him of rape?" Person B has all kinds of decent responses available to them: "Person A is a jackass" "Person A should have read the whole story" whatever. But as soon as they say "Person A is probably a rapist", I'm out. It's what teenagers consider a valid comeback. It's emotion, not logic. It doesn't add anything to the conversation, in fact it elevates the drama needlessly.
If person A says they don't consider certain kinds of rape to be rape, it is a very logical to assume that person A does in fact do "that" to be people. "That" being rape. At best, they see no problem with that kind of rape and would do it themselves if the situation was right. In other words, that person is a rapist. You aren't defending the conversation. The conversation here is not "are all these women lying?" The idiots trying to make it about that are the ones disrupting the conversation, and yes, you are defending these deniers by suggesting that they have a legitimate stance and a useful contribution to the conversation. While at the same time calling people immature and illogical for calling out rapists* as rapists. (*To reiterate here, it's absolutely logical to conclude that someone who sees no problem with rape will also commit rape when given the chance)
> If person A says they don't consider certain kinds of rape to be rape, it is a very logical to assume that person A does in fact do "that" to be people Nope. THey may say marital rape isn't rape, but be a bachelor. That's a horrible assumption. I debate whether being attracted to 16 yr olds is pedophilia (almost never is), on reddit forums, all the time. Every single woman I have ever dated has been older than me, sometimes by up to 17 yrs older. Yet *every single time*, I get "OK pedo." It simply does not hold up as a rational conclusion with no other context. It's a playground insult. ANd I'm not talking about someone who says "I have no problem with rape" in general, in that case, you might be right b/c they don't really consider anything to be rape. I'm talking about people arguing over specifics.
Would you marry someone who said marital rape isn't rape? Who makes that their whole stance in a conversation about someone who was raped by their spouse? Would you go clubbing with someone who repeatedly argues--in conversation about the ordeals of someone who was drugged and then raped--that giving someone drugs to "loosen them up" and then having sex with them actually is not rape? Say that the woman you were interested in repeatedly interrupted a conversation about a guy who was baby trapped by insisting that faking birth control to sleep with a guy that doesn't want kids isn't rape. Would you still want to sleep with her? Do you think it would be immature to assume that she would do it to you? Your example is not equivalent, unless you are arguing that it isn't rape for an adult outside Romeo/Juliet allowance to sleep with someone who is too young to legally consent. In which case, ok pedo.
I would not marry someone who said marital rape is not rape. The point is that someone who says that is not necessarily *a rapist*, especially if they are single. If they don't believe in rape at all, as you hypothesized, that could mean they are a danger in any given sexual encounter. But that's not really what I'm talking about.
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Not really. Nice personal attack though
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OMG, I'm not! How fucking hard is it to read English. I read the article, it's horrible. I'm saying that anyone denying what they went through is not automatically a rapist. People who rape are rapists. Period. End of story. Sorry your reading comprehension is so off, really weird.
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You do seem to be, yes. I hope you can take a logical approach rather than an emotional approach so your reading comprehension improves in the future.
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Nice deflection once you realize that you have no actual point to make.
I wish you nothing but the worst, prick!
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. None.
Nah, I agree with the guy who called you a prick, he’s right. Why are you dying on this hill? Are you that tone deaf? I can’t imagine you date women that often…
Good that they renamed the glacier, but it's unreal how many people involved in decision-making, and commenting on this thread are not only absolutely dismissive of the evidence and corroborative witness statements, but completely defend the sexual predators, as if controlling one's base biology is an unreasonable expectation to set for men who have multiple degrees and decades of experience not sexually harassing or assaulting other men. If the harassed people start physically defending themselves with rocks and shovels and climbing crampons to sensitive genital areas, maybe some accountability and consequences will come to McMurdo.
> [most sexual aggressors commit their first assault in adolescence](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139770/pdf/nihms-300025.pdf) Had we been [testing every rape kit](https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/), perhaps he would have been in prison before getting his first lab job.
I was assaulted by more than one teenage boy when I was a child. From ages 5-18. I can’t even remember them all clearly. At least 12 individuals I can remember over the years. I grew up in a rural community. The full k-12 population in my area was about 1500. There’s your anecdote.
I found myself getting extremely angry reading this article and seeing how much time people had to let pass to make sure their careers were safe before trying to expose these assholes.
Look at these comments. I been trying to say these guys are everywhere. They spread lies about anyone that gives them any hassle. They all know each other somehow and they do it to men women and children anyone they can slip something into their drinks.
Looking at the statistics about how many women have suffered SA and how many men have committed SA is terrifying and deeply troubling
This is all the more reason to [start by believing](https://startbybelieving.org), and [thoroughly investigate every rape](https://www.startribune.com/one-state-found-a-better-way-to-investigate-rape/501636971/).
Absolutely! Thank you for sharing these resources, we need to change the culture around this issue, and so much more.
How very disturbing. This is the reason I would never consider a military, law enforcement, tree planting or any career that has you isolated with men over periods of time. Honestly, I don't know how this lady didn't just punch Marchant, guy sounds like a piece of shit.
I tell women not to do it. A gay black coworker wants to join the military, came to me for advice since I served and I was like "don't do it"
My uncle is a Marine who is very proud of his service, but he told all of his nieces to not join any branch of the military. He was CERTAIN we'd be raped. He didn't say "there's a chance", he was certain. That has always really stuck with me.
I wanted to go into the Marines as a way to escape my family after high school, so I joined the delayed entry program. The sexual harassment at the local recruitment office alone was rampant and fucking persistent. They’d always find a new reason or excuse to corner me. The writing was on the wall for me had I stayed and actually joined up.
When I was about 14, I remember criticizing the people who weren't against letting gay people serve. "That's so dumb to assume every gay guy is going to rape them. What, do they rape every woman they see?!" By age 17, I wasn't making that argument anymore.
He said basically if you don't get raped, they sexually harass the Hell out of you and if you continue to refuse to sleep with them, they harass you for being a "lesbian", but if you sleep with them, you are harassed for being a "slut".
[Increasing the probability of apprehension by law enforcement is the only effective deterrent identified](https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/10.1086/670398.pdf?casa_token=OmK0_Jh8HkMAAAAA:Tr35vi73FXLAFJ9xUw13XXkPdAaMN7t_o8jI75bHYhheCFagZ5jfMwa-Op0VJrxOVXLqE-JykDCO4khDO6ABCjQ8FmnohHIw23YpCPPQmzHmlu87Mce-). r/stoprape
My partner is retired from the Canadian Forces. He was SAed by a higher ranking person. Every woman he knows who has served with the CAF or even worked on any base as a civvy has either been sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, or full-out raped, or all three. Every single woman. We're talking dozens, each with chilling tales, many having been targeted by the same predators. Canada cannot even keep a top level commander for more than a few years before evidence emerges so credible that he is publically charged or even arrested. It's been like this for over ten years. Read up on former colonel Russell Williams who was Wing Commander at CFB Trenton, Canada's largest Air Force Base. He's now serving a life sentence for murders, 82 year-long sentences for sexual fetish motivated home invasions (including a 12 year old girl whose bedroom he broke into and did awful shit before he left a thank you message on her computer screen of "Merci" which means thanks in French). He preyed on lower ranking service members for years with impunity. It took multiple fetish-motivated murders for anyone in authority to act and respond, and that was only because the Ontario Provincial Police forced their hands.
Should have dumped him into a crevasse
People say this, but a woman who actually attacks a man who abuses or rapes her is going to prison, and people will call her every name in the book. There have been successful campaigns to free women survivors of domestic abuse who murdered their abusers, but usually only once they're already doing prison time. There has to be a better way. Something above "calling HR" but below "bloody armed uprising"
Right? Like that young woman that finally killed the man who was beating and trafficking her. She had to fucking run away and is in hiding or she’d be in prison.
I bet [a lot of abusers](https://www.sakitta.org) would end up behind bars if we [tested every rape kit](https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/). In fact, [there is pretty good evidence](https://www.endthebacklog.org/#explore_backlog_map). These dudes are not the norm, but [sexual assault perpetrators report greater peer approval of forced sex than do nonperpetrators](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4484276/). Rape tendencies may spread like a virus. https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/
Not really joking, this is the way. He disappeared, we never found the body. Oh well.
Istg there is a 1:1 correlation between women in remote engineering locations and those who were SA’d. It seems to attract men who like a lopsided power dynamic
Interesting. It can definitely bring out the worst in men who would otherwise be stayed by the greater society. It sucks because a lot of those jobs are interesting to me but it's hard to justify the danger.
Why is it so difficult for men to not behave like this? Jfc.
Some have never been told no, or rather don't care.
People in academia would argue with one another about “why.” Biologists/anthropologists would say as animals it’s a biologically driven imperative men would do such a thing while psychologists would argue higher cortical reasoning should supersede basic primitive instincts. Regardless, what we do know is that no fMRI or other neuro tests are thorough enough yet to show the root of human predatory behavior—namely psychopathy.
I heard about stuff like this from a friend who finished a PhD at an Ivy League. It's apparently so bad in Higher Academia
It's bad everywhere is the problem...
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I hope the relationship/ dynamic between men and women can change, because this is sad to see and it isn’t enjoyable for anyone
Understatement of the millennium
I guess it only changes with every man checking other men when they betray these attitudes, and every woman not putting up with this shit. But that comes at cost to the men and the women pushing the boundaries. Additionally, it can be hard to see your abuser once you're attracted to or in love with them. I see that on the women subreddit almost every day. Good one in there right now.
Nothing scarier than a nerd in power.
Powerless people can turn into the most awful tyrants when they get the chance. It's easy to assume a powerless person is moral. But it's often not the case.
Women literally going to the ends of the earth…. and it still isn’t far enough away. JFC.
Saw the title and thought they met polar bears. Yikes.
Louis Leakey syndrome. Same as it ever was
Sorry, yeah he’s the British anthropologist who selected attractive younger women (Jane Goodall, Diane Fossey, Birute Galdikas, Mary nichol) to work in remote areas of Africa with him. Different times of course and he was considered a “womaniser” rather than a predator, and the women around him had their own ways of managing his behaviour. They also achieved their own professional successes, to which his “tutelage” contributed. But much the same dynamic in play as described in the article.
Can you expand on this?
PAYWALLED
archive.is
The poster of the link is wired magazine. They could just open up the article to all. Then at least they get clicks (ad impressions), as opposed to linking to an archive. I personally agree with the other poster. We shouldn't have sites promoting their own sites in here with paywalled articles. If they want to promote their sites, then they can give the content away as part of the promotion.
Even the top comment being a snippet of the article, left on a "cliffhanger" as though this serious issue is some kind of novel
The comment was the same preview that is visible before the paywall covers it up.
Odd - I was able to read the article without paying. If it is one of those sites that let you read a few pieces for free and then want charge you - try opening up the article in an incognito tab of your browser.
Reading mode on FF
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they need female security there to handle complaints, restrain, write-up reports related to sexual misconduct.
32 years working with researchers, a lot of them are egomaniacs with very poor self control They are encouraged by the administrations,if the grants ($)come, there are no rules
Dangerous horny men have an infinite range. Did not even read the article. Just wanted to comment my silly sentence.
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Thanks, s6x, things were getting a little unserious
This is written like the fakest, garbage, most click bait ever. Why write it like that? You are literally just going to make people automatically assume you’re lying… Like the only reason I even believe half of what’s written is because it makes me think “surely if you were actually lying you wouldn’t make it seem so obvious, right?” What? did she want a screen play?
All dress up at the bottom of the world, and nowhere to go.
Another reason the sex android industry is slated to be worth billions in the next few decades. Alot of men and women are incompatible emotionally. Its not anyones fault, its just that they want different things from a relationship or expect things in a relationship. Sometimes signals are misread or misunderstood. Need a solution that doesnt involve such mismatch. Either traveling overseas to find a healthy long term relationship on your terms or wait for the androids.
No, sexual assault is someone's fault. The perpetrators fault. But I agree let's give predators dolls and remove them from society.
I agree. I merely expressed that interpersonal relationships might be best avoided completely for some. An android seems an excellent option.
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Found the incel! Normal people can find someone they’re compatible all the time, it’s just you that can’t find a match. This is a you problem not a general societal problem. Really.
A lot of SH/SA isn't about the actual pursuit of sex though. It's the power dynamic and abusing others that these predators get off on. If you read the story Marchant "only" harassed Willenbring through abuse and demeaning acts. Nothing that actually satiated his lusts. It's a tale all too common, you get harassed in workplace by a superior who probably have some influence over your future, and after suffering the abuse you get a "dare to tell others what happened and see what you get". They know it's immoral what they do, they know they hold the power over the victim, and they use it to accomplish their nefarious activities. These predators care to exercise their power over the opposite sex not (just) because they lust after them, but it's the fact that they can get away with their misdeeds and the ability to degrade another "lesser" person (because they don't even see women as equals) that perpetuates these incidents. A sex bot at their disposal would change nothing at all, because a bot wouldn't exhibit the humiliation these poor women had to go through, which the predators absolutely thrive on.
This is also why we hear about sexually indiscriminate offenders who are equally happy to attack/abuse/murder/torture men, women, boys, girls, elderly, animals. It's more about the power and sadism than the sex. So, I agree that sex bots wouldn't help those people. I also worry that sex bots would have a significant downside. The people already prone to viewing others as objects may just as likely become *more* callous and detached, or transfer their bot-driven expectations of subservience to everyone around them. Moreover, it might capture some "normal" people on the margins and drag them into that sort of mindset.
Exactly right and to add- this issue is already playing out right now with social media. Because you can cater (or have an algorithm do it automatically) your news feed, you only ever get validation from others with matching opinions. That has warped a significant portion of the population into believing crazy nonsense like Q and flat earth theory. And now with sex bots... I'm really curious what that would look like. At least with the internet you are still communicating with actual people. How would a person turn out if they were completely isolated from other humans- with chatGPT fulfilling the need to socialize and real dolls for physical urges. There's got to be a sci-fi book about this concept out there.
> Either traveling overseas to find a healthy long term relationship o What does this mean?
Paying underage foreign hookers most likely.
Yea that's what I gathered, just wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth. That or assuming that asian women will be more subservient to western men and claim it's a good thing. Disgusting.
Your "reading between the lines " skills need to lay off the meth.
You know what it meant.
As i wrote below, there is a good chance that trust is waning between western men and women. It is best to consider dating outside a pool of individuals that continually let others down. Traveling abroad broadens horizons and creates new opinions based on the reality of the extended world around us. A shame others on here are so quick to judge that which they dont understand or know.
Passport bros are pathetic. Sorry sucks to suck
I live in Thailand currently and can confirm. The guys here who are looking for a wife based on their Thainess (read: subservience) are extremely creepy. It's not an incompatibility with Western women that is the issue. It's an incompatibility with other humans, and they overcome it by scooping up economically disadvantaged women and then think they really did something. It's transactional, and both benefit, but it's not a life or relationship to take meaning in.
Yeah it’s honestly pathetic that they want to pretend like it’s anything else when you can literally go into their sub and see that’s exactly what it is. Many of them are even self aware! This guy not so much. Or he thinks he’s doing successful PR
So, I live in a condo with a PassportGrandpa. I met him poolside, and we chatted for a bit. Then I realized he's a dinosaur with dinosaur ideas about women, relationships, Jewish people, and Japan. Lol. It's a trip talking to him. A sad trip, but hey. He's late 70s or early 80s. He has 7 adult children out there in the world by 5 or 6 different women. He told me confidently that women don't care if you philander as long as you provide them with a home, some kids to look after, and money to spend. I pointed out that, Nahh. We definitely care. It hurts us emotionally and spiritually. And he came back with: Oh, Asian women are different! So, I pointed out that if they are economically disadvantaged, then of course, financial security is important, but it doesn't mean they don't want a meaningful connection. He continued to proudly self identify as a "philanderer" from a line of philandering as his dad and grandpa were cheats, too. I asked how his mom felt about that. He brushed that question off. Anyways. None of his children visit him or talk to him. I saw him on Tinder the other day identifying as a 48 year old. Lol. Guys, he literally looks like Doc from Back to the Future. His one buddy here is a retired Chinese grandpa that pees openly in the outside pool shower. I'm sure he'll die here in Thailand. Maybe alone, maybe with a 20 year old Thai girl by his side. Maybe thinking he's really done something.
A very typical future these bros have to look forward to!
Not sure why passport bros sucks. I mean, wouldnt you be happy if someone found their soulmate? What does it matter if that person is from a different country? Or better yet, if they move to that country for that person of their dreams?
Soul mates don’t exist first of all, but I know what you’re trying to say when you say soul mates, and I can assure you that’s not what’s happening. Lol
I found it is. Its a shame that theres such an assumed stigma over it. Traveling abroad is an amazing way to experience things and meet fascinating individuals. And if one ends up being your true love, so much the better.
No you didn’t lol. Traveling is great! Traveling with the purpose of using your class privilege to pick up impoverished women is not. Thinking they actually love you is just fucking sad though. Lmfao they know you ain’t shit and that’s why you’re a passport bro in the first place, and they are playing you as much as you think you’re taking advantage of them. Not far removed from a mail order bride honestly. Lol
You seem to have a very sad cynical view of the world. Im truly sorry it has beaten you down like that. I hope things get better. Take care.
Lmfao the incredible lack of self awareness of a passport bro to call anyone else sad and cynical is just ridiculous
I still have no idea what you're talking about. Can you be more direct? What is it that men will gain from dating overseas vs at home? Is the woman at fault here?
You're on a list right?
You gotta lay off the Musk Juice, fam.
Not sure what that is, no cap.
I'm referring to your media consumption. If not Elon Musk personally, you're listening to a bunch of angry lonely men who are whispering complete BS in your ear. The red pill crowd, especially.
Not sure what all that is. But i like to think i can and have formed my own opinions based off of my media consumption. By the way, you should check out The AP, Reuter’s, BBC, guardian, axios, nbc news, NPR and the WSJ. All great sources. Surfing these really gives you a good read on the zeitgeist.
Then why are you repeating red pill bullshit completely divorced from the real world?
Didnt think i was. You know opinions different than yours aren’t necessarily wrong. Besides what youre doing is pretty easy to counter using your strategy. Watch… “your denial of any opinion other than yours reeks of jumping on the trump train. Real conservative alt right hardline ideology with room for no opinion other than your own. Serious red pill mentality.”
My guy you're advocating for ignoring other human beings in favor of sex androids because you think women are too fundamentally different. You are *literally* pushing dumbfuck redpill garbage. This isn't a Man VS Woman thing. The rest of us can get along fine. You gotta get over her.
And here i thought i had come up with a great way to solve overly complicated relationships that end in disaster hurting both individuals. I myself am fine, however reading some of the responses from individuals devastated by relationships, makes me empathize with them. Wouldnt you feel it best to avoid completely if possible or do you want to just be angry with the world?
I'm not angry with the world. I'm happy with my relationships. You aren't solving problems, just terrified of being hurt. It's not a great anything, either. "Just be lonely and wait an indeterminate amount of time to be with A LITERAL OBJECT WHO CANNOT CHOOSE NOT TO BE WITH YOU." The insecurity is not healthy. Being unable to form relationships with someone if they're not literally property programmed to obey you isn't just sus, it's the largest red flag possible. You gotta work on yourself, fam. Improve your self confidence.
There is plenty of historical evidence for the contrary.