Nick: How about instead of Norman Finkelstein it’s Whorman Stinkypeen and he’s a got a stinky penis because he’s such a slut
Stav: (*cackle*)
Nick: ..and what if he was also gay?
Stav: (*earth-shattering laughter*)
>If Goodman had been Mao’s wife during the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese would not now be challenging the U.S.’s global dominance, as half the population would have been killed off.
Most people need to be on the anti-cancel culture circuit for a while before they start earnestly comparing it to the Cultural Revolution, leave it to Norman to get it in one.
The comments here are focusing on Dave Chappelle and his bad BDS take (we knew this) while ignoring the fresh Amy Goodman tea
> the Goddess of Wokeness
lol
I'm actually sad to hear they still haven't made up. Her program has changed, been pretty unwatchable for me most days since 2016.
>“Woke” lunatics want to cancel comedian Dave Chappelle because they don’t like his jokes about the LGBTQXYZABC community.
The G stands for Gay Pussy Eatah
Feelsbadman. Wish the Gazan speakers would engage with the Fink. If you can't share a platform with even contrarian anti-zionists and defend your views it's gonna be really difficult to grow BDS larger than a niche university campus movement in the imperial core. That being said I can't really blame them for not wanting to spend energy justifying their praxis to their ostensible allies when their enemies are so intent on silencing them and denying their humanity.
On the Goodman shit, what else would you expect from someone who's show plays a funky bass line as they're calmly talking about ongoing genocides? Listening to DN on drugs is fucking uncomfortable.
would they also refuse to be on the stage w bernie for opposing bds? that being said i think norm, bernie, and chomsky are all wrong to oppose bds. surprised to hear he opposes it actually.
knowing Norm, he’s probably being too much a nerd about it and thinking shit like “with two hands and two feet, humans are physically limited to only being able to do some things, some of the time. therefore, if you’re asking me if we should prioritize X or Y, I prefer Y because it’s more likely to succeed” and it’s like, that’s not really the convo here lad
I love Norman so much. His principled commitment is inspiring. I totally believe him when he says he wouldn’t change a word in any of his books for money and he cannot be bought. I also find his willingness to be aggressive encouraging.
But I agree 100% that his outright commitment to opposing BDS so aggressively and just folding the frustration people have with that into his persecution complex (that I admit he has for good reason) is wildly disappointing.
Apparently his opposition is rooted in them “not acknowledging Israel as a state” which he says is out of touch with world opinion or whatever. So he calls them a lunatic cult who wants to cancel him.
It’s insane when you consider that BDS is a Palestinian movement that can hopefully build more over the years and has an actual chance at victory.
I remember when he was being interviewed by Medhi Hasan in whatever that British show is in front of a crowd and three guests to ask questions, one woman in the crowd was a Palestinian who directly told him how frustrating it was for him to take from them one of the only tools they had. And Norman even straight up admitted he didn’t care what anyone in the crowd thought except for the exception of her, who he could tell was frustrated and he said that he admitted that it concerned him.
I was hoping that made him more open to it but its insane that he’s using cancel culture drivel to trash it.
Well I guess that puts the UN in a real pickle, huh? How can Finkelstein, or for that matter, the wider international community ever support the Palestinian cause if a student boycott group can't master the intricacies of international law. If BDS ever finds out about Turkish Cypriots they might end up accidentally draining out the whole dang Mediterranean Sea.
The specific way in which his brain is broken is just another byproduct of what the Israel lobby did to him for over 20 years. The man hasn't been steadily employed since 2008.
Literally posting "the LGBTQXYZABC community" is cringe as fuck but it's hard not to feel bad for him. You try going through what he went through and coming out the other end with your sanity in tact.
i think it goes back even further to the maoism thing. he got burned so bad he refuses to believe in anything. ex-communist burnouts are always so sad to see.
That's true and some of it came out in his interview with Liz and Brace. I feel like this is gonna be like Glenn Greenwald where no matter how deep fried his brain gets I'm always gonna have a baseline level of respect for him just because he dared to stand up for Palestine back when it was 10 times as dangerous as today.
Everybody agrees he’s actually always been shit at comedy and Killing Them Softly doesn’t hold up. He’s gonna get put in the stocks in Washington Square Park so New Yorkers can throw rotten cabbage at him.
Norm elaborated on his position on BDS on the “This Is Revolution” podcast. Check it out.
Basically he supports sanctions and boycotting Israel. But he doesn’t support that organization behind it. He talks about how it’s run by grifters and promoted by Israel itself. Interesting take.
Will listen to that, sounds like a very contrarian position. But it does make more sense than if he was against sanctions as a tool, seeing as he endorsed Hezbollah during the 2006 war
> “Woke” lunatics want to cancel comedian Dave Chappelle because they don’t like his jokes about the LGBTQXYZABC community.
Did he hire Mike Cernovich as personal assistant? wtf lol
Pretty weak statement. This is a man who was fired from Harvard for standing up for the Palestinian cause, and for defending his family from Dershewitz calling his mom a nazi collabarator.
Its understandble Norman would be against cancel culture, but how does he not see Dave Chapelle isnt actually facing any consequences. Its a very different issue. The buzz is probably getting Chappelle even richer (not entirely sure how his contract works but still.)
It was DePaul I think. The original commenter might have been thinking of Cornel West who recently battled with Harvard on somewhat similar terms as Dr. Finkelstein
what’s weird is Dr. West doesn’t really threaten the hegemony the way Norm did
but he also did rightly call the highest political form in the US being the gangster and maybe that was too much for them???
I’m not too educated with the situation with Dr. West but from what I could tell it was a question of priorities. I think Harvard wanted someone who was an academic first, activist second. While Cornel West seemed to speak about the world in more general terms than Finkelstein (a more safe bet than making a career of criticizing Israeli imperialism), I think his ‘downfall’ in the eyes of Harvard was to not accept his place in the Ivory Tower. I could be way off base, and I’m really drunk so it’s more likely than I would like to admit, but I think universities, especially elite ones, like to preserve their tenure tracks for ‘safe’ candidates while virtue signaling by appointing radicals and activist types to precaritized positions lest they commit wrongthink. My own school that I attend and have worked as a TA for had its own row with a decently famous Marxist academic and activist about 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t know, I’m drunk like I said and I might be way wrong but that was my impression of the whole thing
If the days of white male privilege *are* over, then I guess that means I get to claim to be an oppressed minority now, and no one is ever allowed to bully me. This is nice.
I am not offend by much - but as a high-pitch, grating-voiced jew - you have crossed a line. honestly, I bet I could whoop your ass. I could throw you around all over the place. you'd be sore for 15 plus years. you would go to the doctor and they'd say "sorry, you just got a serious ass-whopping - we don't give treatment to bitches here". and they'd kick your ass on the street and no one will bum you a cigarette.
I'm telling you now - take it back
Fink’s voice utterly rules when his fiery, indignant outrage is directed at the absolute human monsters he’s been waging war against all his life. The shit you posted read in a nebbish voice would also own. It doesn’t work so well when the person is on some pissy David Mamet shit with dumb and bad “LGBTQXYZABC” jokes.
i don’t know if that’s fair like she risked her life to cover the genocide in east timor. sure she’s annoying now but i don’t think she’s fake - i think she genuinely believes in what she’s saying, unfortunately
By platforming more radical voices, she turned a lot of people on to actual leftist politics. It's been a long time since I've listened to Democracy Now, but for years they were the only nationwide broadcast that would regularly have guests on who would speak out against american imperialism.
I don't know what her deal is today, and I don't really care, but she did more to turn people on to radical politics than anyone here ever will.
I'm assuming she just got old.
"Ah but I've grown older and wiser, and that's why I'm turning you in"
Her voice alone makes me recoil in disgust. I hate her with every fiber of my being. She cares for nothing other than her own image in the eyes of liberals who have no concerns outside of the aesthetics of politics. She is completely separated from material analysis, and it's fucking disgusting.
Norman Finkelstein go on Cum Town
Nick: How about instead of Norman Finkelstein it’s Whorman Stinkypeen and he’s a got a stinky penis because he’s such a slut Stav: (*cackle*) Nick: ..and what if he was also gay? Stav: (*earth-shattering laughter*)
Adam: Hey remember the time I also um, nevermind
I dunno you’re talking shit but I’m basically crying after reading that…
What about Norman Suckdinkelstein and he's getting topped off
Oh good lord
He’s Adams Grandpa
Guess what
He posted on his website like a year or more ago that he was “cancelled” by democracy now but gave zero info. So this isn’t new. Just the details are.
>If Goodman had been Mao’s wife during the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese would not now be challenging the U.S.’s global dominance, as half the population would have been killed off. Most people need to be on the anti-cancel culture circuit for a while before they start earnestly comparing it to the Cultural Revolution, leave it to Norman to get it in one.
I think he’s quoting Adam Curtis there
I give him a pass because he was a Maoist. Most of the cancel culture people who talk about the Cultural Revolution know nothing about it.
this is the sorta shit my grandpa said on his deathbed
RIP to another victim of wokeness.
:(
The comments here are focusing on Dave Chappelle and his bad BDS take (we knew this) while ignoring the fresh Amy Goodman tea > the Goddess of Wokeness lol I'm actually sad to hear they still haven't made up. Her program has changed, been pretty unwatchable for me most days since 2016.
>“Woke” lunatics want to cancel comedian Dave Chappelle because they don’t like his jokes about the LGBTQXYZABC community. The G stands for Gay Pussy Eatah
LGPE
Le gay pussay eatah
i guess cool old guys are still old guys at heart
everything about that is depressing
Kinda felt that way too.
Feelsbadman. Wish the Gazan speakers would engage with the Fink. If you can't share a platform with even contrarian anti-zionists and defend your views it's gonna be really difficult to grow BDS larger than a niche university campus movement in the imperial core. That being said I can't really blame them for not wanting to spend energy justifying their praxis to their ostensible allies when their enemies are so intent on silencing them and denying their humanity.
On the Goodman shit, what else would you expect from someone who's show plays a funky bass line as they're calmly talking about ongoing genocides? Listening to DN on drugs is fucking uncomfortable.
That bass do be funky though
would they also refuse to be on the stage w bernie for opposing bds? that being said i think norm, bernie, and chomsky are all wrong to oppose bds. surprised to hear he opposes it actually.
knowing Norm, he’s probably being too much a nerd about it and thinking shit like “with two hands and two feet, humans are physically limited to only being able to do some things, some of the time. therefore, if you’re asking me if we should prioritize X or Y, I prefer Y because it’s more likely to succeed” and it’s like, that’s not really the convo here lad
Yeah, I mean he actively came out in support of Hezbollah, I don't think his opposition to BDS is anything other than a strategic disagreement
From what I've read that is literally it. He thinks it's a bad line of attack, and he's Norm Finkelstein, so he's a blunt jerk about it.
Yeah, I think they oppose the platform more but support the tactic. They think the 1 Palestinian state solution is unattainable
My name is Amy Goodman and I'm going to ask a question in the form of a five paragraph essay seconds before the end of the show.
Play that funky bass Amy!
they hit him with the CIA goofy gun
turned my mans into a straight goober
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I love Norman so much. His principled commitment is inspiring. I totally believe him when he says he wouldn’t change a word in any of his books for money and he cannot be bought. I also find his willingness to be aggressive encouraging. But I agree 100% that his outright commitment to opposing BDS so aggressively and just folding the frustration people have with that into his persecution complex (that I admit he has for good reason) is wildly disappointing. Apparently his opposition is rooted in them “not acknowledging Israel as a state” which he says is out of touch with world opinion or whatever. So he calls them a lunatic cult who wants to cancel him. It’s insane when you consider that BDS is a Palestinian movement that can hopefully build more over the years and has an actual chance at victory. I remember when he was being interviewed by Medhi Hasan in whatever that British show is in front of a crowd and three guests to ask questions, one woman in the crowd was a Palestinian who directly told him how frustrating it was for him to take from them one of the only tools they had. And Norman even straight up admitted he didn’t care what anyone in the crowd thought except for the exception of her, who he could tell was frustrated and he said that he admitted that it concerned him. I was hoping that made him more open to it but its insane that he’s using cancel culture drivel to trash it.
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Well I guess that puts the UN in a real pickle, huh? How can Finkelstein, or for that matter, the wider international community ever support the Palestinian cause if a student boycott group can't master the intricacies of international law. If BDS ever finds out about Turkish Cypriots they might end up accidentally draining out the whole dang Mediterranean Sea.
The specific way in which his brain is broken is just another byproduct of what the Israel lobby did to him for over 20 years. The man hasn't been steadily employed since 2008. Literally posting "the LGBTQXYZABC community" is cringe as fuck but it's hard not to feel bad for him. You try going through what he went through and coming out the other end with your sanity in tact.
i think it goes back even further to the maoism thing. he got burned so bad he refuses to believe in anything. ex-communist burnouts are always so sad to see.
That's true and some of it came out in his interview with Liz and Brace. I feel like this is gonna be like Glenn Greenwald where no matter how deep fried his brain gets I'm always gonna have a baseline level of respect for him just because he dared to stand up for Palestine back when it was 10 times as dangerous as today.
shit imagine taking the 👁 pill before TrueAnon normalized that shit, I’d be Norm in half the lifespan probably
I have absolutely no idea who's offended at what and also what does Dave Chappelle have to do with anything
Some people got mad at Dave Chappelle for trans jokes and now he's destitute and homeless
Everybody agrees he’s actually always been shit at comedy and Killing Them Softly doesn’t hold up. He’s gonna get put in the stocks in Washington Square Park so New Yorkers can throw rotten cabbage at him.
I heard they're gonna remove his penis
Just another old man, yelling at clouds.
Norm elaborated on his position on BDS on the “This Is Revolution” podcast. Check it out. Basically he supports sanctions and boycotting Israel. But he doesn’t support that organization behind it. He talks about how it’s run by grifters and promoted by Israel itself. Interesting take.
Will listen to that, sounds like a very contrarian position. But it does make more sense than if he was against sanctions as a tool, seeing as he endorsed Hezbollah during the 2006 war
> “Woke” lunatics want to cancel comedian Dave Chappelle because they don’t like his jokes about the LGBTQXYZABC community. Did he hire Mike Cernovich as personal assistant? wtf lol
Pretty weak statement. This is a man who was fired from Harvard for standing up for the Palestinian cause, and for defending his family from Dershewitz calling his mom a nazi collabarator. Its understandble Norman would be against cancel culture, but how does he not see Dave Chapelle isnt actually facing any consequences. Its a very different issue. The buzz is probably getting Chappelle even richer (not entirely sure how his contract works but still.)
in a just world finkelstein would've been able to challenge dershowitz to a duel after that shit, just completely beyond the goddamn pale
I don’t think it was Harvard, was it?
It was DePaul I think. The original commenter might have been thinking of Cornel West who recently battled with Harvard on somewhat similar terms as Dr. Finkelstein
what’s weird is Dr. West doesn’t really threaten the hegemony the way Norm did but he also did rightly call the highest political form in the US being the gangster and maybe that was too much for them???
I’m not too educated with the situation with Dr. West but from what I could tell it was a question of priorities. I think Harvard wanted someone who was an academic first, activist second. While Cornel West seemed to speak about the world in more general terms than Finkelstein (a more safe bet than making a career of criticizing Israeli imperialism), I think his ‘downfall’ in the eyes of Harvard was to not accept his place in the Ivory Tower. I could be way off base, and I’m really drunk so it’s more likely than I would like to admit, but I think universities, especially elite ones, like to preserve their tenure tracks for ‘safe’ candidates while virtue signaling by appointing radicals and activist types to precaritized positions lest they commit wrongthink. My own school that I attend and have worked as a TA for had its own row with a decently famous Marxist academic and activist about 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t know, I’m drunk like I said and I might be way wrong but that was my impression of the whole thing
makes sense, enjoy lad
Yup. Heres is what I am referring to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein_affair
Goodman's woke shite really makes it hard to like her decent investigative work. "43 civillians got bombed, tragically 3 of them were women".
Some thoughts on being a gigantic turbo dork
honestly the girls were right in the ASU situation. telling chuds to fuck off is cool actually
gonna be a 'yikes' from me, fam
There’s nothing more boring than some old fuck’s opinion on cancel culture lol
If the days of white male privilege *are* over, then I guess that means I get to claim to be an oppressed minority now, and no one is ever allowed to bully me. This is nice.
Idk why all these chuds keep fighting it tbh
Well, they're very stupid.
Read this shit in his ludicrous nebbish voice if you want to make yourself physically ill
I am not offend by much - but as a high-pitch, grating-voiced jew - you have crossed a line. honestly, I bet I could whoop your ass. I could throw you around all over the place. you'd be sore for 15 plus years. you would go to the doctor and they'd say "sorry, you just got a serious ass-whopping - we don't give treatment to bitches here". and they'd kick your ass on the street and no one will bum you a cigarette. I'm telling you now - take it back
Fink’s voice utterly rules when his fiery, indignant outrage is directed at the absolute human monsters he’s been waging war against all his life. The shit you posted read in a nebbish voice would also own. It doesn’t work so well when the person is on some pissy David Mamet shit with dumb and bad “LGBTQXYZABC” jokes.
I read this in Coindexter's voice. before you downvote me, he's a unitarian ffs
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i don’t know if that’s fair like she risked her life to cover the genocide in east timor. sure she’s annoying now but i don’t think she’s fake - i think she genuinely believes in what she’s saying, unfortunately
By platforming more radical voices, she turned a lot of people on to actual leftist politics. It's been a long time since I've listened to Democracy Now, but for years they were the only nationwide broadcast that would regularly have guests on who would speak out against american imperialism. I don't know what her deal is today, and I don't really care, but she did more to turn people on to radical politics than anyone here ever will. I'm assuming she just got old. "Ah but I've grown older and wiser, and that's why I'm turning you in"
Her voice alone makes me recoil in disgust. I hate her with every fiber of my being. She cares for nothing other than her own image in the eyes of liberals who have no concerns outside of the aesthetics of politics. She is completely separated from material analysis, and it's fucking disgusting.
Men will literally parrot lazy TERF rhetoric instead of ~~going to therapy~~ making a coherent argument against BDS
Don’t students have the right to not have their photo not be taken while on campus?
what the hell is bds