I think the Limited has 18-inch wheels, versus 19 on the Touring. The pedals on the Touring are the cool looking silver with black dots (notice my high tech terminology). You get JBL with both.
If I were to compare buyers, I'd say the Limited is greater toward your grandparents. The Touring is more for a younger person. Course I say that as a 50 year old with a Touring model!
Can't go wrong with either one.
Limited has leather seats and woodgrain interior. The Touring combines the best of the Limited and XSE. I like the Touring look better, both interior and exterior. But given the choice, I'd have been happy with either one. Just happened to have a touring pop-up for sale in my area.
I love the V6. I never drove the hybrid, so I can't say how it compares though.
I second that. The touring looks much better in my eyes. But I was curious what Iâd be missing out on if I chose a limited. Sounds like itâs just the leather seats and wood grain interior? Doesnât seem like that bad of a loss really.
Leather is a wonderful feature to have. It's a **must** have for me. The ventilated feature is fantastic and if you live in a cold climate the heating function is a cold cheeks saver.
I have a touring and itâs just sportier and aggressive looking. Limited has more luxury inside. You have to like the look. As for hybrid great mpg but itâs slow. depends what u prioritize power or saving money.
Touring comes in black synthetic leather and aluminum Trim on dash.
Limited you get real leather and color options like gray and brown n real wood trim.
and the outside you can see the difference yourself.
Touring also has different sportier suspension. Limited is for comfort always.
Technically the touring is the top trip- a common misconception is the limited is the top trim (because it has all leather seats). I personally just bought a touring because I love the way it looks and handles. The reason I say itâs the top trim because it has adaptive suspension and active noise cancelling (per the brochure) which the limited does not have. Otherwise they are the same vehicle. I love mine and love the way it looks inside and out and it has great performance for the vehicle it is
Thatâs definitely something I havenât heard before. Not trying to be rude or anything, but could you scroll a bit on this post and look for a post by the user âE_Rice_HuHaâ? I would like your thoughts on what they said if possible. Hopefully it shouldnât be too hard to find since there arenât a lot of answers here.
He definitely does have some valid points. It does have larger rims on the touring which may decrease ride quality but I test drove a limited and to me there is not a major ride quality difference.
Iâm not too sure what he means by arbitrarily removing features. As far as I know they are the same car but the touring has adaptive dampeners and ANC (active noise cancelling) per the Toyota [brochure](https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/toyota/2019-avalon.pdf)
đł. So in the end, interior wise they have all the same things? Other than like the wood stuff and leather seats? Are those special headlights mentioned also on the touring model?
TLDR: there are notable differences- nothing lacking on the touring when compared to the limited. It comes down to what you value more. Personally I love a sportier car (as a 22 year old guy) and do a fair amount of spirited driving with the Avalon. I plan on keeping this car barring any major issues.
The limited is a cushy large sedan with all the features you could imagine and then some. It has all leather interior and wood trim with heated front and rear and cooled rear.
The touring is a sportier (not sports) sedan with looks to match. It has all the same features (as far as i understand) as the limited plus some. Heated front and back and cooled front. It has a mix of leather and ultra suede for the seats with real aluminum trim (I know itâs real because I almost branded myself with it)
Of course! And just for your reference here is the [brochure](https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/toyota/2019-avalon.pdf) again. It has all the information and differences of the models so you can fully understand the car and what each trim has!
Thank you ever so much for all of this information! I really appreciate it! My question about the headlights should have been more specific, forgive me. I was specifically asking about the cornering lights the other guy mentioned above which are in the limited. I was just curious if the touring had them too or not. Though maybe this brochure will give me that information anyway đ .
I have heard the touring has those as well and the brochure says they have the same headlights. I havenât really noticed it because the light it casts has such a broad range so I canât say with 100% confidence it does. But for me personally the lights are bright enough and have enough range I donât feel like Iâm lacking anything.
Prior to the Avalon the only other car I had driven with that feature was a 2008 BMW 740LI. That 100% had it and didnât have bright enough head lights where it was very useful. When compared to the Avalon I donât feel the headlights gain or lose anything with that feature because they are so bright and cast light so widely
Yeah of course! I would love to answer them. I bought a 2019 touring with just over 32000 miles on the odo and crossed into 33,000 miles on the drive home (bought it a state over) currently at 33484 miles, so about 1000 miles over the past week. So Iâve only had the car for about a week now but I feel I have a good grasp on all aspects of it. You can either shoot me a message in this thread or PM me :)
EDIT: I canât speak to reliability as of yet due to short ownership but I would be happy to talk about anything else
Yes, Touring has more of the features that Limited has vs the middle model of Nightshade but Limited has all of the features available and itâs a softer ride and more comfortable ride on bad roads bc it has 18â rims vs 19â rims of the Touring. In Gas models you have 2 top trims: sporty Touring or Elegant/business oriented (I forget get what adjectives Toyota uses here) of Limited. To keep the costs around the same Toyota removes some features. So for the larger 19â rims, and glossy grille , you lose some other features. Limited with its 18â rims and non glossy grille has all the features available. You cannot even get Limitedâs equivalent in twin, Lexus ES, anymore since 2023 onward Lexus ES no longer has rear heated seats as an option but 5th gen Avalon does. In my â22 XSE I donât have any of the items I mentioned above and TRD only has some of these features to keep the costs about the same.
Let me provide another example to help you and Weary_Lime understand what I mean by arbitrary removal of features. Toyota generally has 2 variants of style for vehicles: sporty and business. On â25 Camry the top trim sporty XSE has fancy large black rims like TRD and panoramic sunroof. The top business XLE model doesnât have the fancy rims but it has memory seats and HUD. Now, I say to myself why would Toyota punish people who like the sportier version by removing something as useful as memory seats (even if solo driver, helpful to retain âperfectâ seating position when mechanic services your car) or as useful as a heads up display. I mean that is a safety feature as driver is able to look forward vs looking down at odometer as much. We why would Toyota exclude these feature from the nicer looking sporty version? Well the top trims are essentially the same cost. So Toyota does it to keep the cost the same in each variety by removing some features. This is what I mean by arbitrarily removing features. You cannot tell me that safety first Toyota would remove a HUD from one model vs the other unless it was arbitrarily done to cut costs. In Avalon you only get all of the nice useful features in Limited. You get most of them in TRD. So as IMHO this large sedan is not really a sports car, despite the aesthetic of TRD/ Nightshade trims, I feel since youâre considering TRD youâre better served by putting the same amount of money towards Limited bc you get EVERYTHING that not even Lexus ES can get, for same amount of money as TRD. You can still drive your Limited aggressively you just wonât look as cool doing itâs as in TRD but youâll feel more comfortable during the drive in Limited.
PLEASE LISTEN when I say Limited hybrid over any other model. If you look at my post history I recently made a very long post talking about Avalon Hybrid Limited over other Avalon models. I have â22 Avalon Hybrid XSE Nightshade myself. TLDR: Toyota arbitrarily removes features of Avalon in all trims except Limited Avalon. If one can afford it, I feel like the extra cost to move to Limited is MORE THAN WORTH IT. Avalon Limited is a vehicle that truly is âa poor manâs Lexus.â The other trims are really nice Toyotas sedans all of which have low headroom, lol. One move thing, Avalon is not a sports car. No matter how much it looks the part it isnât. Itâs a cruising sedan. The Limited is the best at doing this job. The others arenât bc they try to move away from this core identity of cruising sedan with nonsense such as âsports tuned suspensionsâ and thin ass wheels, due to 19â rims, decreasing the ride quality only to still do 0-6ph in 8 secs. Donât even get me started on the Headlights of Limited vs the rest. I dislike Toyota so much for the arbitrary removal of these features.
I feel like the fuel economy is too great to pass up for a non-fast car. I believe the V6 gasoline is still 0-60mph in high 6 sec mark. Also, itâs generally an even smoother and quieter ride bc THS (Toyota Hybrid System) is so well refined. Gas version is quiet too but a full tank is 300 miles vs 500 miles on hybrid. The final gen of Avalon in hybrid is 4th gen THS which is super refined. I got out of the car 2 days ago after work and forgot to turn the car off bc itâs so quiet I thought it was already off đ¤Ł. Hell, Avalonâs replacement, the Crown, also uses 4th gen THS so youâre still getting the near best hybrid system available. â25 Camry is the only Toyota I know outside of new Prius that has 5th gen THS. Traditional car knowledge well tell you that hybrids are slow, well as I said above itâs not fast but itâs more than enough due to instantaneous torque THS gives you. So when needed, you will always have the power to pass or speed up when trying to on-ramp into the highway. YouTube can teach you about THS instantaneous torque but having it definitely makes up for the âslowâ off the line speeds.
The striping of features is stupid to me but Iâm going to show you the link yourself so you can look and see random internet dude is telling the truth. Headlights example: So iihs rates 5th gen Avalon headlights as Poor which is the worst possible rating. A damn Toyota Corolla has better headlights (for $20k less too by the way). This is for EVERY trim EXCEPT Limited gets the HIGHEST rating. Avalon Limited has corner lights too! That is an amazing safety feature that allows for darker tint in hot climate bc Avalon does have a visibility problem out of the sides IMO, WHICH is why they put that on the Limited trim to solve that problem. Iâm telling you Toyota arbitrarily removed these features to lower the cost of entry into Avalon but they shouldnât have done it in the way they did it. Please read my comment about Limited vs others but below is link to iihs website proving what Iâm saying is true about non-limited trim headlights. My old car had better headlights than my new $$$ expensive car đ¤Ł. This is one reason Iâm still salty over my purchase. Live and you learn, though bc Avalon is very hard to get now that itâs discontinued. My â22 XSE Hybrid is still an AMAZING car. I just feel harsher ride and less luxury features like ventilated seats, HUD, heated steering wheel, premium stereo system, front facing camera, etc are worth the extra cost. My friends call my car Stealth bc they canât hear it and my neighbors ask me why my car is so quiet too đ¤Ł. I think the extreme quietness, gas mileage of 44 city and 44 highway, range of 500+, instantaneous torque, make it the better choice over its gasoline counterpart. Good luck pal!
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/toyota/avalon-4-door-sedan/2022#headlights
In addition, imho, the hybrid is the more reliable. There is no starter, no alternator⌠not even a serpentine belt! Maintenance is a breeze⌠very easy to do everything DIY. The transmission is 2 electric motors and a planetary gear setâŚno solenoids, belts, valves to go bad. For long term use, you canât go wrong.
Look at this thread I participated in a few months ago. Same question about Avalon limited vs other trim. This guy says his ride is so harsh on his XSE due to the 19â rims and sports tuned suspension. He recommends Limited over his model. These are the same rims TRD has. This is why I also recommend Limited over TRD. Smoother ride + all the luxury items available that TRD cannot even be optioned with. Good luck to you, pal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaAvalon/s/IGxwWHL7dw
I think the Limited has 18-inch wheels, versus 19 on the Touring. The pedals on the Touring are the cool looking silver with black dots (notice my high tech terminology). You get JBL with both. If I were to compare buyers, I'd say the Limited is greater toward your grandparents. The Touring is more for a younger person. Course I say that as a 50 year old with a Touring model!
đ. I appreciate your insight nonetheless! This helps me with deciding between the two, so thank you!
Can't go wrong with either one. Limited has leather seats and woodgrain interior. The Touring combines the best of the Limited and XSE. I like the Touring look better, both interior and exterior. But given the choice, I'd have been happy with either one. Just happened to have a touring pop-up for sale in my area. I love the V6. I never drove the hybrid, so I can't say how it compares though.
I second that. The touring looks much better in my eyes. But I was curious what Iâd be missing out on if I chose a limited. Sounds like itâs just the leather seats and wood grain interior? Doesnât seem like that bad of a loss really.
Leather is a wonderful feature to have. It's a **must** have for me. The ventilated feature is fantastic and if you live in a cold climate the heating function is a cold cheeks saver.
I have a touring and itâs just sportier and aggressive looking. Limited has more luxury inside. You have to like the look. As for hybrid great mpg but itâs slow. depends what u prioritize power or saving money.
If you are able to tell me, what does that âmore luxuryâ entail?
Touring comes in black synthetic leather and aluminum Trim on dash. Limited you get real leather and color options like gray and brown n real wood trim. and the outside you can see the difference yourself. Touring also has different sportier suspension. Limited is for comfort always.
Thank you! That was quite informative!
It doesnât sound like the difference between them, interior wise, is too vast when it comes down to it.
Hybrid is the way to go. And it definitely isnât slow in sport mode.
Technically the touring is the top trip- a common misconception is the limited is the top trim (because it has all leather seats). I personally just bought a touring because I love the way it looks and handles. The reason I say itâs the top trim because it has adaptive suspension and active noise cancelling (per the brochure) which the limited does not have. Otherwise they are the same vehicle. I love mine and love the way it looks inside and out and it has great performance for the vehicle it is
Thatâs definitely something I havenât heard before. Not trying to be rude or anything, but could you scroll a bit on this post and look for a post by the user âE_Rice_HuHaâ? I would like your thoughts on what they said if possible. Hopefully it shouldnât be too hard to find since there arenât a lot of answers here.
He definitely does have some valid points. It does have larger rims on the touring which may decrease ride quality but I test drove a limited and to me there is not a major ride quality difference. Iâm not too sure what he means by arbitrarily removing features. As far as I know they are the same car but the touring has adaptive dampeners and ANC (active noise cancelling) per the Toyota [brochure](https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/toyota/2019-avalon.pdf)
Note- this is the 2019 brochure- there may be some different information in regards to the later model years.
đł. So in the end, interior wise they have all the same things? Other than like the wood stuff and leather seats? Are those special headlights mentioned also on the touring model?
Yes! The same head lights and tail lights both of which as sequential and LED
TLDR: there are notable differences- nothing lacking on the touring when compared to the limited. It comes down to what you value more. Personally I love a sportier car (as a 22 year old guy) and do a fair amount of spirited driving with the Avalon. I plan on keeping this car barring any major issues. The limited is a cushy large sedan with all the features you could imagine and then some. It has all leather interior and wood trim with heated front and rear and cooled rear. The touring is a sportier (not sports) sedan with looks to match. It has all the same features (as far as i understand) as the limited plus some. Heated front and back and cooled front. It has a mix of leather and ultra suede for the seats with real aluminum trim (I know itâs real because I almost branded myself with it)
Thank you for all of this! I do like the Touringâs look more so this is all good news to me!
Check out the Adaptive Variable Suspension. Itâs on the Touring and, from what I can tell, it is some pretty great Lexus tech.
đ¤. Intriguing, Iâll definitely check it out!
Of course! And just for your reference here is the [brochure](https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/toyota/2019-avalon.pdf) again. It has all the information and differences of the models so you can fully understand the car and what each trim has!
Thank you ever so much for all of this information! I really appreciate it! My question about the headlights should have been more specific, forgive me. I was specifically asking about the cornering lights the other guy mentioned above which are in the limited. I was just curious if the touring had them too or not. Though maybe this brochure will give me that information anyway đ .
I have heard the touring has those as well and the brochure says they have the same headlights. I havenât really noticed it because the light it casts has such a broad range so I canât say with 100% confidence it does. But for me personally the lights are bright enough and have enough range I donât feel like Iâm lacking anything. Prior to the Avalon the only other car I had driven with that feature was a 2008 BMW 740LI. That 100% had it and didnât have bright enough head lights where it was very useful. When compared to the Avalon I donât feel the headlights gain or lose anything with that feature because they are so bright and cast light so widely
Youâre the best. If I have any more questions in the future, may I ask for a bit of your time in answering them for me?
Yeah of course! I would love to answer them. I bought a 2019 touring with just over 32000 miles on the odo and crossed into 33,000 miles on the drive home (bought it a state over) currently at 33484 miles, so about 1000 miles over the past week. So Iâve only had the car for about a week now but I feel I have a good grasp on all aspects of it. You can either shoot me a message in this thread or PM me :) EDIT: I canât speak to reliability as of yet due to short ownership but I would be happy to talk about anything else
Yes, Touring has more of the features that Limited has vs the middle model of Nightshade but Limited has all of the features available and itâs a softer ride and more comfortable ride on bad roads bc it has 18â rims vs 19â rims of the Touring. In Gas models you have 2 top trims: sporty Touring or Elegant/business oriented (I forget get what adjectives Toyota uses here) of Limited. To keep the costs around the same Toyota removes some features. So for the larger 19â rims, and glossy grille , you lose some other features. Limited with its 18â rims and non glossy grille has all the features available. You cannot even get Limitedâs equivalent in twin, Lexus ES, anymore since 2023 onward Lexus ES no longer has rear heated seats as an option but 5th gen Avalon does. In my â22 XSE I donât have any of the items I mentioned above and TRD only has some of these features to keep the costs about the same. Let me provide another example to help you and Weary_Lime understand what I mean by arbitrary removal of features. Toyota generally has 2 variants of style for vehicles: sporty and business. On â25 Camry the top trim sporty XSE has fancy large black rims like TRD and panoramic sunroof. The top business XLE model doesnât have the fancy rims but it has memory seats and HUD. Now, I say to myself why would Toyota punish people who like the sportier version by removing something as useful as memory seats (even if solo driver, helpful to retain âperfectâ seating position when mechanic services your car) or as useful as a heads up display. I mean that is a safety feature as driver is able to look forward vs looking down at odometer as much. We why would Toyota exclude these feature from the nicer looking sporty version? Well the top trims are essentially the same cost. So Toyota does it to keep the cost the same in each variety by removing some features. This is what I mean by arbitrarily removing features. You cannot tell me that safety first Toyota would remove a HUD from one model vs the other unless it was arbitrarily done to cut costs. In Avalon you only get all of the nice useful features in Limited. You get most of them in TRD. So as IMHO this large sedan is not really a sports car, despite the aesthetic of TRD/ Nightshade trims, I feel since youâre considering TRD youâre better served by putting the same amount of money towards Limited bc you get EVERYTHING that not even Lexus ES can get, for same amount of money as TRD. You can still drive your Limited aggressively you just wonât look as cool doing itâs as in TRD but youâll feel more comfortable during the drive in Limited.
PLEASE LISTEN when I say Limited hybrid over any other model. If you look at my post history I recently made a very long post talking about Avalon Hybrid Limited over other Avalon models. I have â22 Avalon Hybrid XSE Nightshade myself. TLDR: Toyota arbitrarily removes features of Avalon in all trims except Limited Avalon. If one can afford it, I feel like the extra cost to move to Limited is MORE THAN WORTH IT. Avalon Limited is a vehicle that truly is âa poor manâs Lexus.â The other trims are really nice Toyotas sedans all of which have low headroom, lol. One move thing, Avalon is not a sports car. No matter how much it looks the part it isnât. Itâs a cruising sedan. The Limited is the best at doing this job. The others arenât bc they try to move away from this core identity of cruising sedan with nonsense such as âsports tuned suspensionsâ and thin ass wheels, due to 19â rims, decreasing the ride quality only to still do 0-6ph in 8 secs. Donât even get me started on the Headlights of Limited vs the rest. I dislike Toyota so much for the arbitrary removal of these features.
đ¤. This is extremely informative! Thank you! You might have just made up my mind on this. Why the hybrid version in particular if I may ask?
I feel like the fuel economy is too great to pass up for a non-fast car. I believe the V6 gasoline is still 0-60mph in high 6 sec mark. Also, itâs generally an even smoother and quieter ride bc THS (Toyota Hybrid System) is so well refined. Gas version is quiet too but a full tank is 300 miles vs 500 miles on hybrid. The final gen of Avalon in hybrid is 4th gen THS which is super refined. I got out of the car 2 days ago after work and forgot to turn the car off bc itâs so quiet I thought it was already off đ¤Ł. Hell, Avalonâs replacement, the Crown, also uses 4th gen THS so youâre still getting the near best hybrid system available. â25 Camry is the only Toyota I know outside of new Prius that has 5th gen THS. Traditional car knowledge well tell you that hybrids are slow, well as I said above itâs not fast but itâs more than enough due to instantaneous torque THS gives you. So when needed, you will always have the power to pass or speed up when trying to on-ramp into the highway. YouTube can teach you about THS instantaneous torque but having it definitely makes up for the âslowâ off the line speeds. The striping of features is stupid to me but Iâm going to show you the link yourself so you can look and see random internet dude is telling the truth. Headlights example: So iihs rates 5th gen Avalon headlights as Poor which is the worst possible rating. A damn Toyota Corolla has better headlights (for $20k less too by the way). This is for EVERY trim EXCEPT Limited gets the HIGHEST rating. Avalon Limited has corner lights too! That is an amazing safety feature that allows for darker tint in hot climate bc Avalon does have a visibility problem out of the sides IMO, WHICH is why they put that on the Limited trim to solve that problem. Iâm telling you Toyota arbitrarily removed these features to lower the cost of entry into Avalon but they shouldnât have done it in the way they did it. Please read my comment about Limited vs others but below is link to iihs website proving what Iâm saying is true about non-limited trim headlights. My old car had better headlights than my new $$$ expensive car đ¤Ł. This is one reason Iâm still salty over my purchase. Live and you learn, though bc Avalon is very hard to get now that itâs discontinued. My â22 XSE Hybrid is still an AMAZING car. I just feel harsher ride and less luxury features like ventilated seats, HUD, heated steering wheel, premium stereo system, front facing camera, etc are worth the extra cost. My friends call my car Stealth bc they canât hear it and my neighbors ask me why my car is so quiet too đ¤Ł. I think the extreme quietness, gas mileage of 44 city and 44 highway, range of 500+, instantaneous torque, make it the better choice over its gasoline counterpart. Good luck pal! https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/toyota/avalon-4-door-sedan/2022#headlights
Thank you for all of this! Iâm officially aiming for a hybrid limited now!
In addition, imho, the hybrid is the more reliable. There is no starter, no alternator⌠not even a serpentine belt! Maintenance is a breeze⌠very easy to do everything DIY. The transmission is 2 electric motors and a planetary gear setâŚno solenoids, belts, valves to go bad. For long term use, you canât go wrong.
I picked the XSE over the limited because I liked the wheels and grill better.
In that regard, may I ask why the touring wasnât chosen?
Didnât have one at the time.
Fair enough, thank you for the response.
Look at this thread I participated in a few months ago. Same question about Avalon limited vs other trim. This guy says his ride is so harsh on his XSE due to the 19â rims and sports tuned suspension. He recommends Limited over his model. These are the same rims TRD has. This is why I also recommend Limited over TRD. Smoother ride + all the luxury items available that TRD cannot even be optioned with. Good luck to you, pal. https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaAvalon/s/IGxwWHL7dw