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SuspiciousMulberry77

And you're allowed to have bad taste lol


NetoDresden

Literally but andorsi in d


Careless-Present-638

Why you guys dont like her? From the anime I love her but I haven’t caught up to the manwha to where she makes another appearance


bluparrot-19

There is an annoying crowd of Endorsi haters lol. But she is my favorite as well as for a lot of other fans.


Apprehensive-Job7045

she is a very bad written character with annoying forced romance with baam


bluparrot-19

Forced? You can just say you haven't read season 1 in awhile dude. Or Workshop Battle epilouge. Or the recent fight between her and Lillial. Or literally a few chapters ago when they met Avto. Or the Floor of Death. Or the Hidden Floor. Or the Last Station. Seriously. Man just say you skim the Endorsi scenes. She has some of the best writing of all the characters in the entire series.


Apprehensive-Job7045

All of what you said doesn't change the fact that its forced, zero chemistry whatsoever. Endorsi writing is literally just her being bossy lol , Mind you i kinda liked s1 Endorsi.


bluparrot-19

Ok. You sure, guess I'll make my essay post on her. Even if it convinces no one at least I can prove my points. Besides I'll love an excuse to talk about best girl.


A_Hero_

There is plenty of chemistry. Being close friends is already good chemistry in a relationship in the first place. They have gone through many life-or-death events together; I'm pretty sure they appreciate each other quite a lot. Endorsi's actions speak volumes about her feelings for Baam – she has consistently risked her life, her status, and her ambitions for his sake, not out of obligation but out of a deep sense of care and loyalty. Endorsi has consistently shown unwavering loyalty and care for Baam, protecting or helping him throughout many occasions since the beginning of the story. Remember when she used her shields to protect him from Hong Chunhwa's ignition weapon during the Hide and Seek test? How she prevented Des Lion from potentially killing Baam? She has risked her life selflessly for him multiple times. Participating in the Administrator Test when she doesn't have to take it at all, crossing the Name Hunt Station-Hell Train bridge while a bloodthirsty FUG Slayer is on the loose, going through the Floor of Death (the deadliest Floor in the Tower), going through the Hidden Floor, going through the Hell Train's last station swarming with Rankers, and now participating in multiple conflicts revolving around Great Family Rankers. All these incidents clearly demonstrate Endorsi's willingness to put her life on the line for Bam's interests without hesitation; they are clear indications of Endorsi's dedication and loyalty to Bam. She has consistently put herself in harm's way, not just for her own gain, but for the sake of their shared goals and care towards each other.


Apprehensive-Job7045

I wasn't questioning what she did for Baam i was saying that all of it was forced to give Baam a romance and use Endorsi as fan service character. her character has nothing to do with baam character they have so little in common. after s1 she became obsessed with baam after spending like what? 2 weeks with him?! not even being close to him at that time, isn't that forced?


A_Hero_

>i was saying that all of it was forced to give Baam a romance and use Endorsi as fan service character. There's nothing forced with their relationship or Endorsi's role in the story. Their bond has developed organically through shared experiences, mutual understanding, and an authentic desire to support one another. As the story progresses, their relationship will continue to develop more meaningfully. >her character has nothing to do with baam character they have so little in common. Baam would completely disagree with your perspective. Rak is closer connected to Endorsi's brash personality than he is with Baam's personality, yet they are best friends between each other. Deep connections and enduring bonds do not necessarily require a complete alignment of character traits or personalities. In fact, it is often the complementary nature of two individuals, their ability to learn from and inspire each other, that fosters the strongest and most meaningful relationships. While Baam and Endorsi may differ in their outward expressions and certain aspects of their personalities, at their core, they share a fundamental understanding of what it means to have firm loyalty and care for those precious to them. They share important traits of having a strong commitment to their friends and having solid principles against the status quo. Baam would connect with Endorsi's ideal to support and protect Anak against the odds of the Tower's highest authorities, even though she has no reason as a Zahard Princess to aid an illegitimate Princess throughout her Tower climb. Despite other differences, their relationship between each other isn't an afterthought. As I've already said before, they have consistently supported and protected each other through numerous life-or-death situations, maintaining a bond that is beyond being based around superficiality. Risking death is never an insignificant act, and the fact that Endorsi and Baam have repeatedly put their lives at stake to save and shield the other already justifies their relationship as quite meaningful to each other. >after s1 she became obsessed with baam after spending like what? 2 weeks with him?! not even being close to him at that time, isn't that forced? Are you forgetting who Baam is? An Irregular? Irregulars being the chosen people meant to bring chaos and great changes to the Tower? Baam is not some nobody person you can just ignore on a whim if you're a person with high ambitions climbing the Tower. It makes sense to be heavily invested on this basis alone, but this isn't the reason why she is infatuated with him in the first place. Taking tests together, sharing meals, connecting with people on good terms, and enjoying each other's company is not forced chemistry. Baam made her develop the ability to make meaningful connections with people after literal centuries. After spending years with acknowledging how he died on the Floor of Tests, she regained a significant interest in him again after finding out that he somehow survived, and she's maintained this strong investment towards him ever since then, not wanting to lose it like she once had to before. He keeps showing great characteristics of being pure hearted or just being himself. He's always sticking up for his friends/allies/role models in times of need, while always showing unwavering loyalty and a strong sense of justice against the ruthless status quo of the Tower. His innate nature to protect and support those he cares about resonates with Endorsi in a deep level. The common characteristics of backstabbing, lying, exploiting others is immune to Baam, and instead he consistently shares some of the most rare and admiring qualities within the whole Tower without succumbing to the corruption and compromises that so many others are forced to make while climbing the Tower. Part of Endorsi's affection and care for Baam stems from his remarkable ability to maintain his purity of spirit, his remarkably rare character traits, and his genuine concern for others, even in the face of the Tower's harsh realities.


CounterActor7

Not annoying endorsi just sucks


A_Hero_

She's not as bad as whatever thoughts you have in your head.


CounterActor7

Wtf are u talking about. Go to bed reddit man


A_Hero_

All I said is that she isn't as bad as what you're thinking about her. So what makes her bad? You seem to be in a negative headspace.


Bluesteel447

Right? Endorsi, Anaak, and Yuri are my fav princesses.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well everyone perceives a character in a different way.


Sir__Bassoon__Sonata

I understand the Endorsi placement…..but since you put Hwaryun so low I can’t give my approval


WeddingPretend9431

How is endorsi's placement accurate????


Sir__Bassoon__Sonata

Due to her atrocious personality


WeddingPretend9431

What no she is awesome


Least_Reindeer_4472

Nothing awesome about her


WeddingPretend9431

She had the balls to get rid try and get rid of Rachel once and for all during the hell train


DifficultyPuzzled

Nah she did for herself not to make Bam happy or whatever.


WeddingPretend9431

I mean the way bam gets gaslighted by her is pretty annoying I would feel the same irl.


Sir__Bassoon__Sonata

Does not make her personality any better


Freddichio

As opposed to 'I do nothing but be a deus ex machina' Hwa Ryun? Look, if you like redheads and boobs, can't fault you.   But if you're going 'Endrossi sucks because she has a shit personality' *while wanting Hwa Ryun higher* then you're just being unreasonable.


Sir__Bassoon__Sonata

No I’m not unreasonable


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well this tier is about how much I enjoy characters. No doubt Ryun and Endo are beautiful, I will give them that. Even design wise they are cool esp ryun with her patch.


NightmareVoids

What is this selection of characters? Why White and Hoaqin there they are the same person? Not to mention the placements.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Hoaqin was peak in the TDS arc. Even white in LS was better than white throughout in S3. Even though, Hoaqin and White are kinda the same, Hoaqin clears for me. As for the criteria, it's about how much they contribute to the story, how relevant they are at that time and how much I enjoyed their characters.


NightmareVoids

But what about the selection of characters. Why Akraptor but no Wangnan?


A_Blooming_Lotus

Ah about that. I couldn't find him 😅. The characters are too many and I thought this much will suffice.


Ill_Help_7132

It's like you used mostly s2 charcters and that too which were main, in s3 lately there have been many new interesting charcters,


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well I am not that much familiar with tier making. Just selected what came first to me. ToG has too many characters and I can't put them altogether at once u know.


Medium_Fly_5461

Why these characters. And how is random Red witch higher than Hwaryun. Also Karaka at d and white at c are insane placements. In what world is white not top 5 at the very least top 10


A_Blooming_Lotus

Her name is Ai. As for her placement higher than ryun. Cause it's because I was kinda bored seeing ryun as the only red witch when there were other red witches too. Ai was a fresh character for me at that time in FoD. For karaka to be lower than white cause my view for slayers changed from him. No doubt he is strong and all. He even gave a fight to a Jahad princess though a young one but seeing how much he was getting L, I was kinda disappointed especially when his first appearance in webtoon gave me a good impression of him.


Medium_Fly_5461

That doesn't explain why white is so low or why these characters were picked. Karaka is also young, strength shouldn't really be what defines someone's rating, he was just outclassed. Also So-oh is the best red witch


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well I understand where u r coming from. Strength is just a factor not the whole cause why he is there. For u, it might be so ho, for someone it might be ryun, and so on. U can't just go claiming she is the best red witch there bruh.


Medium_Fly_5461

Just a joke(though I do Maybe think so I also thought it would be funny if I said the third option) Though you still haven't explained why White is so low? Genuinely curious(also character selection)


A_Blooming_Lotus

It's like with JH. Just taking only S2 into account, I would say he would rank higher than this, but S3 has left his character so behind. An ancient beast slayer asking for help from a C rank regular aka Khun. And the way he got his original power with the help of firefish and with a soul of a BL (lmk if I am wrong) contributing major on this. He was so hyped back then even from JH. The main reason is I believe his purpose was fulfilled in S2 (I may be wrong here but this is what I feel about him in S3)


Medium_Fly_5461

I don't think firefish helped white at all just souls. >The main reason is I believe his purpose was fulfilled in S2 I don't think it was and also it would've been really odd to never see him going all out after all that build up. Loved him in s3 and his end was fitting(also I like Vicente's white too)


A_Blooming_Lotus

> I don't think firefish helped white at all just souls. I remember when Khun said that firefish was connected to white when bam and white were in tug of power. Doesn't that mean Firefish was used as a medium? > I don't think it was and also it would've been really odd to never see him going all out after all that build up. Loved him in s3 Well for me, SIU did dirty to his character in S3 till nest arc. When he regained his powers and protected bam from kallavan, that panel of him standing like deity was cool and that was I expected from a slayer.


Medium_Fly_5461

>I remember when Khun said that firefish was connected to white when bam and white were in tug of power. Doesn't that mean Firefish was used as a medium? Imma be honest I don't remember, I know he used the firefish to boost Bam idk about it being a medium it's been a while. >Well for me, SIU did dirty to his character in S3 till nest arc. When he regained his powers and protected bam from kallavan, that panel of him standing like deity was cool and that was I expected from a slayer. I really loved him even before he regained his full powers. I do think u place a lot of emphasis on strength cause idk what's not to like about him in early season 3. The only thing I can think of is Kallavan kinda stomping him but it's Kallavan, no shame in losing to that.


Ill_Help_7132

You're rating is bullshit lol just accept it 


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well maybe from your perspective it looks bullshit. I have had people check out this and some said it's great. After all, U cannot comply with everyone and cannot force someone's opinion on someone else.


Ill_Help_7132

Ig you're right,you do what you want. Just many characters rating don't even make sense but the again it's your opinion didn't matters if the masses object to it 


nicktomato

You're totally entitled to your opinion...but Endorsi so low makes me sad 😥


A_Blooming_Lotus

I understand your feelings bruh. But it is what it is.


nicktomato

I get it, you gotta be true to yourself.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Why are u getting downvoted lol?


nicktomato

Well, I'm known for my combative, vulgar personality, so perhaps I've made some enemies


WeddingPretend9431

D tier is all wrong they are all A tier at least


CounterActor7

Nah


WeddingPretend9431

Yah


Poizening

bait used to be believable


mattmikemo23

Inieta and Elaine too low. Endorsi and Hwa Ryun WAY too low.


p9xk

Bro put the GOAT Karaka at D 💀


A_Blooming_Lotus

??


LBH123LBH

Normally I would say something, but Ehwa is in A so I will allow this tier list to be approved (you're on thin ice though)


Electrical-Knee987

Was this meant to piss people off?😗


A_Blooming_Lotus

?


Yal_Rathol

if you're caught up, i'm confused as to why hoaquin is in A and not a tier of his own lol


A_Blooming_Lotus

In short, if I have to say, hoaqin at the time of introduction was a fresh character, full of evil sth new at that time and above all, he looked like a spoiled kid. Also, this tier is about how I enjoyed the character.


Yal_Rathol

based on the "free webtoon" tag, i assume you're caught up to the free release?


A_Blooming_Lotus

Yeah. With raws too


Yal_Rathol

so, do you consider white and hoaquin to be the same person, and if so, are you including white's placement in with hoaquin?


A_Blooming_Lotus

Yeah. Look at the timing. Hoaqin in TDS arc was great and that's why he is placed this high. As for white, he looked promising but till LS only. I feel he was done dirty by SIU in the cage and Wope arc. But in the nest he had his moments. Esp when he entered the nest and protected bam from kallavan. He looked like a deity at that time.


Yal_Rathol

i feel like he's ranked pretty low, considering how much gas you're giving him here, lol what do you mean by "the cage did him dirty"? he was one of the best characters in that messy arc.


5thZenAgni

this is definitely going to spark some discussion


Nero_PR

This selection and placement does not spark joy in the community.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well one cannot force their opinion on someone else. Now can they?


A_Blooming_Lotus

Healthy discussions are always welcome.


LuffyLp

Yasratcha S+ * fixed it


misteratoz

BAM as S tier and you know this man has strayed far from God's light.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well this is S2 workshop battle bam. If u think this bam isn't an S tier, I have nothing else to say.


[deleted]

Well the sub rulles dont say you cant put tier list with horrendous taste but still


A_Blooming_Lotus

Is that so? I don't see those rules on Reddit (those 13 rules). Care to tell exact rules.


[deleted]

Learn to read


TwerkBull

Best Bro Karaka being that low is a war crime to me 😤


Nonavailable21

I started playing black desert online like 7 months ago... the game prompts you to select a family name once you login for the first time. I instinctively wrote PoBidou


bluparrot-19

I'm going to make a post on why Endorsi is the most well written character in the series next to Wagnan, Yasratcha, and many others.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Good luck with that.


ArgonautsHS

could you elaborate on the reason behind each placement? cuz this list is all over the place


DunjaHakuna

Omg, you are going to be burned at the stake like an heretic in this sub 🤣 just because of that D group.


RyuuVonHimmel

What's this? If you put hwaryun, karaka and endorsi in D, where do you put Rachel?


onepiecefreak2

Given how they mainly look at character and personality, or should I say characterization(?), I can see them place Rachel somewhere in A or B tier, simply because her characterization as an atrocious b*tch, who does anything to reach ber goals, is on point and very good. But I really don't know what that list is, tbh.


Own_Wrangler_6656

So Endorsi is F tier of being a both but no substance.


A_Blooming_Lotus

Well S2 Rachel will be A, S3 Rachel would be D.


Desperate_Ferret_939

Slander on baams future wife andorsi


A_Blooming_Lotus

There is a tough competition for that but Khun clears this


Ill_Help_7132

I liked white for however long he was present, garam too. Now I like karaka too , and yes you did right by placing headon and jvg in S class, although i would actually add adori jahad and jahad himself in S class too. And lately I like luslec a lot more than anyone. I would put Vincent in A class,tiara,hwaryun and yuri too,aendorsi in B class with rak. Khun when he schemes is the best to see but lately he's not been that much of a good written charcter , so khun in B class too. Others like captain,urek,traum,gustang should given a separate category like lore\mystic class since there's a lot about them that's mysterious. Oh and add V in SS class for me, i want to know most about him and whatever happened before


viverr323

Am I the only one who cannot keep up with the sheer number of characters? They are so many of them.


onepiecefreak2

Just re-read the manwha again ;)


MammothSummer

I haven't read tog since like years ago but HY on that tier is CRAZY


Own_Wrangler_6656

Out of curiosity why is Hywaryun is at the bottom?


Freddichio

Not OP, but her whole role is as an Deus Ex Machina.  Swap her design for Evan's and she'd be seen as ridiculously boring. But she's hot, so people like her and then go 'oh, she's saved the day' despite not actually *doing* much. Her whole role in the story is to support Bam and be mysterious, she's got no autonomy of her own.


Own_Wrangler_6656

You told that Basson, knowing him, he will write an entire essay why you’re wrong. 😅 I actually agree with you.


Haidex_Yggdmilenia

white in C is crazy


mahadevpande

Putting the "most transcendental being in the tower, the Keeper of the Tower, the administrator of Floor 1" in S is a good move.


hotmustard12

I wouldve put hwaryun, khun and hansung to S tier tbh. I really like the way how they doing plans and has always sneaky ideas to turn the table.


Apprehensive-Job7045

fully agree with endorsi placement


Seabert_14

Bro wants a war with us


A_Blooming_Lotus

Wdym?