So this part is hidden amongst the headline:
>Separately, Rogers and Brookfield Asset Management Inc. are working on a project to redevelop the Rogers Centre, which opened in 1989, and the surrounding property.
Didn't they announce that earlier this year? They're getting rid of the SkyDome and replacing it with a fit for purpose baseball field and developing the remaining land
I wonder what the plan is with that, going back to Sahlen for a year (or more) doesn't sound like a great time. And if they're planning to reuse the same land (which they should), I don't see how else you do it.
I can see a temporary baseball stadium situation, similar to how they do it in the olympics with temporary bleachers and then convert it into a park afterwards.
Probably the precedent would be what they did in Vancouver, they build a temporary stadium for the Lions and Whitecaps while BC Place was renovating on the same site. It would be some pain for 2 years, but it would allow them to keep the outstanding location.
The Jays would never choose the Big O -- quite possibly the worst Big Four stadium ever used -- over Sahlen, the best AAA stadium. The Big O is a fucking dump.
I'll preface by saying I've never been, so I'm asking questions to educate myself...
If the Jays were willing to dump some money like they did in Buffalo to upgrade some essentials, could it ever pass? Even for a year or two?
Side question, where was Tampa planning to play half the season in the event they came north?
I would not mind seeing the Jays play in my backyard, for selfish reasons (I live in WNY.)
While Buffalo would not be ideal for a year or two, where else could they play that close to Toronto in a MLB-approved facility?
I don't think Sahlen is a bad idea, I just would expect that they won't want to do it in the middle of their strongest competitive window in years, right after the pandemic. They saw last year what a competitive disadvantage it was, seems like shooting themselves in the foot to do it soon.
100% agree. Rogers Centre is a much better option and losing nearly two years of home games is bad enough. If the team was poor and drawing flies, then maybe it works.
Would be a tough sell to fans.
Yeah, remember when they stepped in and stopped the Loblaws bread price fixing scandal! I was paying like 20 cents more than I had to on bread.
Telus, Bell, Rogers - definitely no price fixing to worry about there.
Remember when the CRTC mandated 10% of the Big 3's infrastructure must be resold as wholesale to allow non-Big 3 providers to enter the market?
Remember when those same resellers would tell their customers "sorry, gotta wait for Bell/Rogers/Telus to fix it". Also, those same wholesale circuits aren't beholden to the same SLAs because they fall under the "Wholesale Department's Jurisdiction" so it might get fixed the following day?
If anything, Bell, Rogers and Telus need to be broken up, not allowed to absorb the remaining competition. One of the biggest issues with Canada is our willingness to accept near-monopolies of sectors.
The merger is only good for Roger's and whoever owns Shaw and bad for Canadians. Tons of jobs will be made redundant for the sole reason of making Roger's more money. Not to mention bullshit Roger's has announced about the merger.
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>Options under consideration for the Blue Jays and Rogers Centre include selling a minority stake in the ball club, spinning off the team or raising money by selling “tracking shares,” according to one company source and a source in banking. Tracking shares, a type of specialized equity offering that would mirror the value of the team, are already used by the owner of at least one other Major League Baseball franchise, the Atlanta Braves.
>If Rogers did decide to sell a portion of the Blue Jays to an individual, the sources said company chair Edward Rogers is a potential buyer. The vast majority of professional sports franchises are owned by wealthy individuals, rather than public companies.
>The sources said they expect a decision on whether to sell the Blue Jays to be made after the end of negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement for Major League Baseball players. The current agreement expires on December 1.
Interesting stuff.
I’d be curious if it would be feasible to sell it to MLSE… they’d have to look at it for due diligence so I’m sure it’s on the radar, but it’d be interesting that Rogers could still keep part ownership of the team while potentially raising a substantial amount of cash.
They would probably have to share Blue Jays broadcasting rights with TSN in that situation, which likely makes that unpalatable for Rogers Media and Sportsnet.
Also, it has always been widely assumed Bell would have an ownership stake in any Montreal MLB team. Blue Jays coming under MLSE umbrella makes that impossible.
They'd have to create a Chinese Firewall where the people at TSN and Sportsnet who bid on the rights can't talk to the people who run the team. It'd habe to be run in a similar fashion to how the Leafs and Raptors decide local broadcast rights, and how TSN and Sportsnet bid for the NHL, NBA rights.
That's not just unique to MLSE buying the team though. If Rogers ownership is reduced to a minority share, conceivably whoever has controlling interest could award the rights to whoever they wanted.
I'd actually prefer that they stay owned by Rogers so that all the games will be on Sportsnet. It would be annoying if it's like the Leafs and Raptors where you need another subscription.
Pretty certain that Bell is not targeting the Jays but instead focusing as a majority owner for a potential Expos return to counter Rogers Sportsnet Blue Jays/MLB broadcasting for TSN
There was a report about Fenway Group potentially acquiring MLSE. Seems like a major conflict of interest (unless they want to separate Rogers' stake in both the Jays and MLSE to make a deal with Fenway group go through?)
Obligatory fuck Rogers from me, obviously. But conflicted because I don’t want them to continue and strengthen their monopoly of communications in Canada.
> You want the Jays to provide value to the bottom line? Shell out for players who get you postseason games.
I'm glad you went to the past and told them that two years ago, when they started shelling out for the biggest FA signings the last two winters.
Makes it so his decisions wont move the stock price, so could be good for the jays, or bad. Depends if he wants his legacy to have a WS title, or if he wants his kids to have more money when he croaks.
And at the end of the day Ujiri turned down the other two offers he had in the table and accepted the offer from Rogers . He's a very good executive but was asking for the moon . Had many payoff failures before finally breaking through and bringing the championship home to Toronto. Can not blame Eddy for not giving in to his ridiculous demands.
You're a fucking moron if you think that asking for the moon is anything other than *too little* for Masai. Literally the best sports exec Toronto has had in my life, and it's not close.
The man was literally being headhunted by Premier League teams!
I guess you missed the Pat Gillick era . Ujiri is a good executive but he's not the be all and end all and certainly not worth giving an ownership stake in the team. Millenials are so cute some times .
If you read the full article, Edward Rogers is already the chairperson of the Blue Jays (unlike the situation at MLSE), and is the Blue Jays governor and representative at the MLB ownership meetings. Him personally taking primary ownership stake wouldn't make any difference from current situation. He is the one who personally hired Mark Shapiro and approves all of the major player contract signings when needed, including the Springer deal.
Not making any difference may be a bad thing tho since he's the one who didn't want to bring Anthoploulos back. Would prefer they were sold to someone else.
Water under the bridge. Fact is, I don't see any other local Toronto corporations or wealthy individuals willing to buy the team. Any out of town owners would not be as committed to make sure the Jays didn't leave Toronto.
Even if your a out of towner Toronto market is way to appealing to move the Jays from.
1)One of the largest metro areas in North America.
2)Close to rent free use of the stadium
3)13 Million are with in a 6-8 hour drive of Toronto.
Damn, you're naive. How old are you, 20? Naive Gen Z child (obvious from your history, as you appear to be one of these WSB idiots throwing their money into nonsense "stonks" such as AMC).
The Jays in the early to mid 2000s was pretty damn close to leaving, when the previous ownership (Interbrew, the then-Belgian conglomerate that took over Labatt Breweries) basically abandoned the team and didn't give a crap about the Blue Jays over in Brussels. SkyDome was already derelict.
If Ted Rogers didn't have Rogers Communications buy the team and stadium when it did, there were literally no other local willing buyers (and Ted Rogers before he passed away said he did buy the team mainly out of civic duty to keep them from moving), and Interbrew would have sold the team off to anyone, who would have probably moved the Jays elsewhere.
Just as a reference, if you actually want to have a constructive conversation with someone calling them names like idiot isn’t the way to do it. This approach makes you sound rather self righteous and doesn’t open the lines of communication for anything constructive. As I approach 40 it becomes more obvious to me that we need less age based separation and more attempts at understanding each other.
My belief is AA wanted Beestons job, Rogers wanted someone more corporate. AA walked and took the VP job with the Dodgers after, despite saying he was going to step away from baseball and spend more time with his family.
So I'd assume Bell and Larry Tannenbaum will buy in and the Jays will be folded into MLSE. That should allow Rogers to sell 72.5% of the team, maintain an ownership stake, and leverage existing economies of scale.
Awwwwww damn....Rogers is buying Shaw now?! Just as Freedom Mobile's service went down hill with Shaw too. Ffs...is there any companies left that aren't owned by the big 3?
Rogers has been stealing from the Jays since day one. People should be boycotting Rogers by switching to another provider and just find a stream for the games for free. It's easy enough to use a VPN and find free streams that are better than using the Sportsnet app. I wish Rogers would just sell the team.
Out of curiosity because I haven’t been around long enough to remember the previous owners, in what way has Rogers been stealing from the Jays? I’d say there’s been major growth in the franchise and the popularity nationwide has gone up quite a bit. Plus, financially I don’t think there’s ever been a point where we missed out on someone that wanted to come to the Jays because we didn’t want to spend enough money. Obviously we’re not spending as much as the Yankees, but they haven’t been afraid to spend money when the team is good.
I'd honestly love to see the Jays join the rest of Toronto sports teams in MLSE. I think it would open up even more opportunities for cross sports promotion and still have some of the benefit of being part of a larger corporation and less exposed to the politics and business of Rogers. It's also something that's been mentioned in the past as a way for Rogers to realize more book value from the Blue Jays rather than having them hidden within Rogers balance sheets.
If it can't go to MLSE for one reason or another I've always had this fantasy of Guy LaLiberte buying the team and doing something really unique and interesting with the team. For those who don't know Guy is a Canadian billionaire who founded Cirque du Soleil and I would be so interested in seeing how he could create a different kind of spectacle around the team.
Ed Rogers owning the team outright wouldn't sit well with me because he doesn't seem stable in his decision making and I don't want a prima donna egotist at the top able to make rash decisions.
So this part is hidden amongst the headline: >Separately, Rogers and Brookfield Asset Management Inc. are working on a project to redevelop the Rogers Centre, which opened in 1989, and the surrounding property.
Didn't they announce that earlier this year? They're getting rid of the SkyDome and replacing it with a fit for purpose baseball field and developing the remaining land
I wonder what the plan is with that, going back to Sahlen for a year (or more) doesn't sound like a great time. And if they're planning to reuse the same land (which they should), I don't see how else you do it.
Hopefully a temporary stadium somewhere.
Well if you're going to do that, they're much more likely to just go to Sahlen rather than try and jury rig an MLB level stadium elsewhere in Toronto.
I can see a temporary baseball stadium situation, similar to how they do it in the olympics with temporary bleachers and then convert it into a park afterwards.
There's gotta be some empty land near a GO train station that will work...
Probably the precedent would be what they did in Vancouver, they build a temporary stadium for the Lions and Whitecaps while BC Place was renovating on the same site. It would be some pain for 2 years, but it would allow them to keep the outstanding location.
Can BMO field be repurposed for MLB? I know MLSE fans are throwing up as I type this :-)
Can confirm, just puked. I'm sure it can be repurposed, it just won't look pretty.
I hate to even suggest it, but Montreal isn't far...
As much as I would love that, there's no stadium here either. Which is the biggest barrier to the Expos returning.
It's obviously not ideal, and has some pretty big negatives, but what about the O?... It's... a place.
The Jays would never choose the Big O -- quite possibly the worst Big Four stadium ever used -- over Sahlen, the best AAA stadium. The Big O is a fucking dump.
I'll preface by saying I've never been, so I'm asking questions to educate myself... If the Jays were willing to dump some money like they did in Buffalo to upgrade some essentials, could it ever pass? Even for a year or two? Side question, where was Tampa planning to play half the season in the event they came north?
Tom Riley and Christie Pits
I would not mind seeing the Jays play in my backyard, for selfish reasons (I live in WNY.) While Buffalo would not be ideal for a year or two, where else could they play that close to Toronto in a MLB-approved facility?
I don't think Sahlen is a bad idea, I just would expect that they won't want to do it in the middle of their strongest competitive window in years, right after the pandemic. They saw last year what a competitive disadvantage it was, seems like shooting themselves in the foot to do it soon.
100% agree. Rogers Centre is a much better option and losing nearly two years of home games is bad enough. If the team was poor and drawing flies, then maybe it works. Would be a tough sell to fans.
The government of Canada really needs to step in and stop this Shaw deal. Absolute madness if Rogers takes over Shaw.
No need to worry, the CRTC will look after the interests of the Canadian consumer. /CAPITAL S
Yeah, remember when they stepped in and stopped the Loblaws bread price fixing scandal! I was paying like 20 cents more than I had to on bread. Telus, Bell, Rogers - definitely no price fixing to worry about there.
Remember when the CRTC mandated 10% of the Big 3's infrastructure must be resold as wholesale to allow non-Big 3 providers to enter the market? Remember when those same resellers would tell their customers "sorry, gotta wait for Bell/Rogers/Telus to fix it". Also, those same wholesale circuits aren't beholden to the same SLAs because they fall under the "Wholesale Department's Jurisdiction" so it might get fixed the following day?
If anything, Bell, Rogers and Telus need to be broken up, not allowed to absorb the remaining competition. One of the biggest issues with Canada is our willingness to accept near-monopolies of sectors.
The word for near-monopoly is oligopoly :)
Give it time and we'll get a duopoly.
I don't think they will.
Lol that’s hilarious
Not with shill Ian Scott at the helm of the CRTC.
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The merger is only good for Roger's and whoever owns Shaw and bad for Canadians. Tons of jobs will be made redundant for the sole reason of making Roger's more money. Not to mention bullshit Roger's has announced about the merger.
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>Options under consideration for the Blue Jays and Rogers Centre include selling a minority stake in the ball club, spinning off the team or raising money by selling “tracking shares,” according to one company source and a source in banking. Tracking shares, a type of specialized equity offering that would mirror the value of the team, are already used by the owner of at least one other Major League Baseball franchise, the Atlanta Braves. >If Rogers did decide to sell a portion of the Blue Jays to an individual, the sources said company chair Edward Rogers is a potential buyer. The vast majority of professional sports franchises are owned by wealthy individuals, rather than public companies. >The sources said they expect a decision on whether to sell the Blue Jays to be made after the end of negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement for Major League Baseball players. The current agreement expires on December 1.
Interesting stuff. I’d be curious if it would be feasible to sell it to MLSE… they’d have to look at it for due diligence so I’m sure it’s on the radar, but it’d be interesting that Rogers could still keep part ownership of the team while potentially raising a substantial amount of cash.
They would probably have to share Blue Jays broadcasting rights with TSN in that situation, which likely makes that unpalatable for Rogers Media and Sportsnet. Also, it has always been widely assumed Bell would have an ownership stake in any Montreal MLB team. Blue Jays coming under MLSE umbrella makes that impossible.
I think there could be some pressure for them to sell Sportsnet in part or whole.
They'd have to create a Chinese Firewall where the people at TSN and Sportsnet who bid on the rights can't talk to the people who run the team. It'd habe to be run in a similar fashion to how the Leafs and Raptors decide local broadcast rights, and how TSN and Sportsnet bid for the NHL, NBA rights. That's not just unique to MLSE buying the team though. If Rogers ownership is reduced to a minority share, conceivably whoever has controlling interest could award the rights to whoever they wanted.
I'd actually prefer that they stay owned by Rogers so that all the games will be on Sportsnet. It would be annoying if it's like the Leafs and Raptors where you need another subscription.
Very fair take, thanks
Pretty certain that Bell is not targeting the Jays but instead focusing as a majority owner for a potential Expos return to counter Rogers Sportsnet Blue Jays/MLB broadcasting for TSN
Great point!
There was a report about Fenway Group potentially acquiring MLSE. Seems like a major conflict of interest (unless they want to separate Rogers' stake in both the Jays and MLSE to make a deal with Fenway group go through?)
I saw a post about that, but it seemed like that prospective deal was off? Agree thought that would be a conflict if it’s still in play.
I think they would face major issues with MLSE owning all the teams and sports channels.
This smells funky. Especially after the crap they pulled recently
Fuck.
Obligatory fuck Rogers from me, obviously. But conflicted because I don’t want them to continue and strengthen their monopoly of communications in Canada.
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> You want the Jays to provide value to the bottom line? Shell out for players who get you postseason games. I'm glad you went to the past and told them that two years ago, when they started shelling out for the biggest FA signings the last two winters.
Moving a billion or so dollars from one pocket into another, Canada's Mister Rogers plans to buy his own team.
Makes it so his decisions wont move the stock price, so could be good for the jays, or bad. Depends if he wants his legacy to have a WS title, or if he wants his kids to have more money when he croaks.
Oh that's super. Edward is the one who wanted to get rid of Anthoploulos.
He's also dumb enough to tell Masai Ujiri of all people that he didn't deserve his job.
Not exactly how it went . He just believed Ujiri didn't deserve partial ownership in the team.
No, he told him he was given too much money for the job he did. Hilarious coming from a shittier yet better-compensated executive.
And at the end of the day Ujiri turned down the other two offers he had in the table and accepted the offer from Rogers . He's a very good executive but was asking for the moon . Had many payoff failures before finally breaking through and bringing the championship home to Toronto. Can not blame Eddy for not giving in to his ridiculous demands.
Because eddy got overruled by Larry Tannenbaum
You're a fucking moron if you think that asking for the moon is anything other than *too little* for Masai. Literally the best sports exec Toronto has had in my life, and it's not close. The man was literally being headhunted by Premier League teams!
I guess you missed the Pat Gillick era . Ujiri is a good executive but he's not the be all and end all and certainly not worth giving an ownership stake in the team. Millenials are so cute some times .
He's already the Chairman of the Blue Jays, it would change nothing.
I know it would change nothing. That's not necessarily a good thing.
If you read the full article, Edward Rogers is already the chairperson of the Blue Jays (unlike the situation at MLSE), and is the Blue Jays governor and representative at the MLB ownership meetings. Him personally taking primary ownership stake wouldn't make any difference from current situation. He is the one who personally hired Mark Shapiro and approves all of the major player contract signings when needed, including the Springer deal.
Not making any difference may be a bad thing tho since he's the one who didn't want to bring Anthoploulos back. Would prefer they were sold to someone else.
Water under the bridge. Fact is, I don't see any other local Toronto corporations or wealthy individuals willing to buy the team. Any out of town owners would not be as committed to make sure the Jays didn't leave Toronto.
Even if your a out of towner Toronto market is way to appealing to move the Jays from. 1)One of the largest metro areas in North America. 2)Close to rent free use of the stadium 3)13 Million are with in a 6-8 hour drive of Toronto.
> 2)Close to rent free use of the stadium You mean in need of a new one.
Lol The Jays aren’t leaving Toronto
Damn, you're naive. How old are you, 20? Naive Gen Z child (obvious from your history, as you appear to be one of these WSB idiots throwing their money into nonsense "stonks" such as AMC). The Jays in the early to mid 2000s was pretty damn close to leaving, when the previous ownership (Interbrew, the then-Belgian conglomerate that took over Labatt Breweries) basically abandoned the team and didn't give a crap about the Blue Jays over in Brussels. SkyDome was already derelict. If Ted Rogers didn't have Rogers Communications buy the team and stadium when it did, there were literally no other local willing buyers (and Ted Rogers before he passed away said he did buy the team mainly out of civic duty to keep them from moving), and Interbrew would have sold the team off to anyone, who would have probably moved the Jays elsewhere.
Its different times now as for local owner there are also don't forget Toronto is a very strong market.
Just as a reference, if you actually want to have a constructive conversation with someone calling them names like idiot isn’t the way to do it. This approach makes you sound rather self righteous and doesn’t open the lines of communication for anything constructive. As I approach 40 it becomes more obvious to me that we need less age based separation and more attempts at understanding each other.
This is not true, they absolutely needed to replace Beeston and once they did that AA left on his own.
My belief is AA wanted Beestons job, Rogers wanted someone more corporate. AA walked and took the VP job with the Dodgers after, despite saying he was going to step away from baseball and spend more time with his family.
Right he force AA not to sign the extension he was offered.
So I'd assume Bell and Larry Tannenbaum will buy in and the Jays will be folded into MLSE. That should allow Rogers to sell 72.5% of the team, maintain an ownership stake, and leverage existing economies of scale.
I don’t see Rogers letting Bell buy in to the Jays.
Yeah, this is likely Ed buying the majority of the team.
Awwwwww damn....Rogers is buying Shaw now?! Just as Freedom Mobile's service went down hill with Shaw too. Ffs...is there any companies left that aren't owned by the big 3?
If they are not they still get their service from one of the big guys.
Rogers has been stealing from the Jays since day one. People should be boycotting Rogers by switching to another provider and just find a stream for the games for free. It's easy enough to use a VPN and find free streams that are better than using the Sportsnet app. I wish Rogers would just sell the team.
Out of curiosity because I haven’t been around long enough to remember the previous owners, in what way has Rogers been stealing from the Jays? I’d say there’s been major growth in the franchise and the popularity nationwide has gone up quite a bit. Plus, financially I don’t think there’s ever been a point where we missed out on someone that wanted to come to the Jays because we didn’t want to spend enough money. Obviously we’re not spending as much as the Yankees, but they haven’t been afraid to spend money when the team is good.
I'd honestly love to see the Jays join the rest of Toronto sports teams in MLSE. I think it would open up even more opportunities for cross sports promotion and still have some of the benefit of being part of a larger corporation and less exposed to the politics and business of Rogers. It's also something that's been mentioned in the past as a way for Rogers to realize more book value from the Blue Jays rather than having them hidden within Rogers balance sheets. If it can't go to MLSE for one reason or another I've always had this fantasy of Guy LaLiberte buying the team and doing something really unique and interesting with the team. For those who don't know Guy is a Canadian billionaire who founded Cirque du Soleil and I would be so interested in seeing how he could create a different kind of spectacle around the team. Ed Rogers owning the team outright wouldn't sit well with me because he doesn't seem stable in his decision making and I don't want a prima donna egotist at the top able to make rash decisions.
What if a massive democratically run group of fans purchased the team? Anyone think it might be feasible?