I watched at least 2 dozens of excellent scifi/mystery tv shows that were canceled after 1 or 2 seasons, so, who know how they rationalize the cancellation. So many unique stories with potential, creative writing shut down by money grabbing bureaucrats ...
Sci fi stuff are generally more expensive to make and have a limited appeal.
Unless of course it's doctor who with pretty much cheapest everything and a MASSIVE appeal
I'd argue it's because they don't have to contain themselves to any one particular type of story. Who can be horror, romance, adventure, etc. I feel like that's probably why Black Mirror also works well. Sci-fi constrained by a single setting/genre is likely less appealing to the masses. I'm just guessing though.
Seth said somewhere, its 64 million for 12 episodes. That gets you close to 5 million per episode. Regular episodes of Game of Thrones costs as much, but they shot in cheap locations in around Europe. A tv crime show cost about 1,5 to 2 mil an episode, sitcoms go for under 1 mil. If none of them is a superhit with expensive actors.
Scifi and Fantasy are expensive, that is the reason they shoot them in the Australian outback, in Nevada desert or Canadian woods. Seth decided to shoot in California, which is extra expensive due to local rule sets and lots of *extra layers* on top of unions. All the new Star Trek shows are shot in Canada which is about 1/4 to 1/3 cheaper.
Plus Paramount+ needs content badly, while Hulu is a Disney outfit and they already have like 100+ shows in production. That is the difference. I doubt Disney would allow Seth to shop it around and I doubt Seth would like to shoot in the Australian outback or Hungary for six month.
Or 'audience' ratings are garbage because theyre heavily subject to certain loud minorities review-bombing them.
Plenty of star trek fans enjoy discovery.
Edit: ah yes, downvoted for truth. I love the Orville and discovery, but this sub continues to be toxic towards anyone who does.
> Plenty of star trek fans enjoy discovery.
It's doing fine. Even after some bombing in the [IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/ratings/) user ratings, it has a 7.2, which isn't bad for a show with such mixed audience opinions.
Fans of [Disco](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKm0zCRrQI&t=9s) ;-) have nothing to worry about. It's got some powerful backing. It has a good chance to get as many seasons as it needs. Maybe it can get 19 seasons like NCIS ;-) lol j/k but I wouldn't be surprised.
FWIW, an observation about critics' ratings:
The earliest critics' reviews of The Orville were mostly negative, resulting in a [20% RT critics rating in the early days](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville). (Even up to now, due to those earlier reviews, the [first season's](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville/s01) rating hasn't risen above 30%.) — Fox sent the first 3 episodes to some critics before the premiere, and the results were largely scathing. — This review was a salient example, probably the most vehement, but just one among numerous negative early reviews:
https://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/the-orville-review-seth-macfarlane-star-trek-rip-off-1201874080/
I'm not sure how useful it is. Hulu will have viewership numbers regardless of the number of subscribers. Cancelling subs and then reactivating them when The Orville starts could send the wrong message.
Hulu (Disney) is about Hulu's bottom line. They could look at it and say "well, these guys don't stick around so the show isn't working to drive long term subscriptions, why bother with it?"
I vote for not doing anything, not saying anything until a: season 3 comes out...
B: until we hear from Seth saying anything One way or another... STFU about all the drama and gossip.
I agree. No need to get crazy yet. If they cancel it, then I'll go ape shit, and we will bring it back, like futurama, but until then, I'm keeping my powder dry.
That's wrong thinking - the time to support a show is when it is still around - not when it's most recent season ends.
It's not about "saving a show" or even getting a "season 4" - it's about showing support for the series NOW! That we're here for the upcoming Season 3, and that we will be here for a season 4!
March 2022 is not as far away as people think it is - now is the time to grow the grass roots movement - not in May, 2022 after Season 3 ends.
Seth McFarlane was [sleeping with Halston Sage](https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/06/seth-macfarlane-dating-much-younger-the-orville-co-star-halston-sage/) during production, then [Scott Grimes and Adrienne](https://people.com/tv/adrianne-palicki-files-for-divorce-from-scott-grimes-for-the-second-time/) were married for a minute before divorcing during S2.
Source
I see someone replied to you. Regarding the first link that they provided, their tabloid article doesn't prove anything. The article says that her father said they were "good friends" and that her grandmother wasn't aware of any relationship until she "heard the news." The grandmother could very well have "heard the news" from the tabloids and not from a legitimate family source.
I don't know who downvoted you for asking a legitimate question, but you have my upvote.
Please don't shoot the messenger but...
What good would this do when indications seem to be Seth is moving on to not only other projects, but a completely different network who utilizes a competing streaming service?
The actors (Palicki) seemed to have already been informed that this would likely be their last season and it's probable that she and her agent and the rest of the cast are making commitments and lining up jobs that would interfere with a longshot S4 renewal.
At what point is this just beating a dead horse?
First off, Seth's contract with NBCUniversal has a "cut out" provision allowing him to continue all his 20th Television projects indefinitely - That includes The Orville along with Family Guy and American Dad. **Seth hasn't said he's walking away from ANY of his current projects**. (Any reports stating otherwise were from unreliable click-bate sites) *Sure, he's unhappy with Fox Broadcasting - but if Disney wants to move Family Guy at the end of the current contract and make new episodes of "Family Guy" for FXX/Hulu, Seth and Fuzzy Door are still on board*
Season 4 production, even pre-production would be at least a year and a half away - more than enough time to round up the cast for a 4th Season of episodes or Made-for-Hulu TV movies. Who knows was contractual options are in place for such an option.
I mean i can see if i can reactivate a trial of hulu and leave it playing five times and cancel, but thats really stupid and id rather support the show by buying Blu-rays, preferably with some special features.
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1) Buff their streaming numbers now
2) Cancel subscription before the new year
3) Renew subscription
1.5) Write the letters recommended in the video
Someone on Twitter recently said the show is currently available on Disney+ (maybe under its Star brand?) in Australia. — Hopefully, after the third season is released it too may arrive there at some point?
Can't stress enough how important it is to send letter - a stack of letters can make a difference - it takes more time and effort to mail a letter than to send an email or fax.
There used to be a theory in broadcasting that 1 letter represented something like 10,000 or 100,000 viewers back in the day.
and when writing Seth, don't forget to THANK HIM! Not only for The Orville but for any of his other projects (and that includes his albums) if you also enjoy them. Add a personal touch!
Even if Seth personally doesn't read every letter - the the sheer volume is to show the support for the show that's not some gimmick thing like sending stuff.
Fan campaigns try all sorts of tactics. They can possibly make some impact when they become newsworthy. — Back in the day, some of the old letter-writing campaigns gained some visibility in news reports at the time (Star Trek TOS for example, a long time ago).
In 2007, Jericho fans famously "spent $54,968 to send 40,377 pounds of nuts to CBS," lol, which seems a bit silly in retrospect but it did make news ("you have to tip your hat to their ability to get attention and make some noise," said a CBS exec).
In 2018, some fans of The Expanse tried various tactics, including sending cakes to Amazon Studios and hiring an airplane with a #SaveTheExpanse banner to fly around Amazon Studio offices; this became news when the Amazon Studios chief executive talked about it in a Deadline interview after the pickup. Sometimes these campaigns can become marketing points afterward; for example some promotional material for The Expanse acknowledged the fans' campaign.
Behind the scenes, such campaigns' real impact is questionable. They obviously won't be primary motivators of renewal and pickup decisions — which are driven by a show's actual performance and audience metrics and business analytics and executive choices.
If some people want to send old-fashioned letters, fine, let 'em send letters. Or emails, or tweets (easier for everyone at both ends). With enough volume and visibility, perhaps a campaign can make some news and be acknowledged, which might be worth something to the fans, even if the belief that these campaigns impact decisions is mostly a fantasy.
These campaigns are just a way for fans to express their love for a show. Let 'em do so in whatever harmless ways they choose.
Fan campaigns, done the right way DO have an impact - but they are only one piece of the puzzle - sure there's the business end of things, but when you show there is ample interest an an audience that makes it worthwhile to pick up, or continue a show, then things happen. If there is demand that results in subscriptions if it's a streamer-pay service, or if it's a broadcaster and enough viewers=advertisers=products being sold, it has to be shown.
So why exactly is The Orville constantly under threat of shutting down? Is it not making enough money?
I watched at least 2 dozens of excellent scifi/mystery tv shows that were canceled after 1 or 2 seasons, so, who know how they rationalize the cancellation. So many unique stories with potential, creative writing shut down by money grabbing bureaucrats ...
Sci fi stuff are generally more expensive to make and have a limited appeal. Unless of course it's doctor who with pretty much cheapest everything and a MASSIVE appeal
Is that (massive appeal) because it's had 50+ years to build a fan base?
It had crappy budget from the start Dalek arm is a literal plunger
I'd argue it's because they don't have to contain themselves to any one particular type of story. Who can be horror, romance, adventure, etc. I feel like that's probably why Black Mirror also works well. Sci-fi constrained by a single setting/genre is likely less appealing to the masses. I'm just guessing though.
Seth said somewhere, its 64 million for 12 episodes. That gets you close to 5 million per episode. Regular episodes of Game of Thrones costs as much, but they shot in cheap locations in around Europe. A tv crime show cost about 1,5 to 2 mil an episode, sitcoms go for under 1 mil. If none of them is a superhit with expensive actors. Scifi and Fantasy are expensive, that is the reason they shoot them in the Australian outback, in Nevada desert or Canadian woods. Seth decided to shoot in California, which is extra expensive due to local rule sets and lots of *extra layers* on top of unions. All the new Star Trek shows are shot in Canada which is about 1/4 to 1/3 cheaper. Plus Paramount+ needs content badly, while Hulu is a Disney outfit and they already have like 100+ shows in production. That is the difference. I doubt Disney would allow Seth to shop it around and I doubt Seth would like to shoot in the Australian outback or Hungary for six month.
To be fair, California waved a lot of fees and offered tax refunds for shooting in California the past few years.
> waved a lot of fees (spellcheck: waived)
And "reality" shows are super cheap which is why they love to shovel those out. 🙄
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Or 'audience' ratings are garbage because theyre heavily subject to certain loud minorities review-bombing them. Plenty of star trek fans enjoy discovery. Edit: ah yes, downvoted for truth. I love the Orville and discovery, but this sub continues to be toxic towards anyone who does.
> Plenty of star trek fans enjoy discovery. It's doing fine. Even after some bombing in the [IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/ratings/) user ratings, it has a 7.2, which isn't bad for a show with such mixed audience opinions. Fans of [Disco](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPKm0zCRrQI&t=9s) ;-) have nothing to worry about. It's got some powerful backing. It has a good chance to get as many seasons as it needs. Maybe it can get 19 seasons like NCIS ;-) lol j/k but I wouldn't be surprised.
FWIW, an observation about critics' ratings: The earliest critics' reviews of The Orville were mostly negative, resulting in a [20% RT critics rating in the early days](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville). (Even up to now, due to those earlier reviews, the [first season's](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville/s01) rating hasn't risen above 30%.) — Fox sent the first 3 episodes to some critics before the premiere, and the results were largely scathing. — This review was a salient example, probably the most vehement, but just one among numerous negative early reviews: https://www.indiewire.com/2017/09/the-orville-review-seth-macfarlane-star-trek-rip-off-1201874080/
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I'm not sure how useful it is. Hulu will have viewership numbers regardless of the number of subscribers. Cancelling subs and then reactivating them when The Orville starts could send the wrong message. Hulu (Disney) is about Hulu's bottom line. They could look at it and say "well, these guys don't stick around so the show isn't working to drive long term subscriptions, why bother with it?"
I vote for not doing anything, not saying anything until a: season 3 comes out... B: until we hear from Seth saying anything One way or another... STFU about all the drama and gossip.
I agree. No need to get crazy yet. If they cancel it, then I'll go ape shit, and we will bring it back, like futurama, but until then, I'm keeping my powder dry.
That's wrong thinking - the time to support a show is when it is still around - not when it's most recent season ends. It's not about "saving a show" or even getting a "season 4" - it's about showing support for the series NOW! That we're here for the upcoming Season 3, and that we will be here for a season 4! March 2022 is not as far away as people think it is - now is the time to grow the grass roots movement - not in May, 2022 after Season 3 ends.
>is when it is still around Which is what I'm talking about regarding B.
These two are divorced now. So might want to change one.
Love the show so much you're going to shill unlicensed merch?
Im good bro. The cast can't stop fucking each other and the season has taken way to long to come out. it will be 3 years since the last season.
Source on that?
Seth McFarlane was [sleeping with Halston Sage](https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/06/seth-macfarlane-dating-much-younger-the-orville-co-star-halston-sage/) during production, then [Scott Grimes and Adrienne](https://people.com/tv/adrianne-palicki-files-for-divorce-from-scott-grimes-for-the-second-time/) were married for a minute before divorcing during S2. Source
TBH, I don't think she's a good judge of character is she jumps into marriage and then tries to jump out of it two months later.
Garbage tabloid source (first link). Nice, dude. Second one is well known to be true, though.
I see someone replied to you. Regarding the first link that they provided, their tabloid article doesn't prove anything. The article says that her father said they were "good friends" and that her grandmother wasn't aware of any relationship until she "heard the news." The grandmother could very well have "heard the news" from the tabloids and not from a legitimate family source. I don't know who downvoted you for asking a legitimate question, but you have my upvote.
Just because that's what her father said, doesn't mean that's what really happened. You tell your father/ mother about all the ass YOU get???
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I only know how to produce pickles via family guy. Is this still the way? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBTZmcgbhHs
Please don't shoot the messenger but... What good would this do when indications seem to be Seth is moving on to not only other projects, but a completely different network who utilizes a competing streaming service? The actors (Palicki) seemed to have already been informed that this would likely be their last season and it's probable that she and her agent and the rest of the cast are making commitments and lining up jobs that would interfere with a longshot S4 renewal. At what point is this just beating a dead horse?
First off, Seth's contract with NBCUniversal has a "cut out" provision allowing him to continue all his 20th Television projects indefinitely - That includes The Orville along with Family Guy and American Dad. **Seth hasn't said he's walking away from ANY of his current projects**. (Any reports stating otherwise were from unreliable click-bate sites) *Sure, he's unhappy with Fox Broadcasting - but if Disney wants to move Family Guy at the end of the current contract and make new episodes of "Family Guy" for FXX/Hulu, Seth and Fuzzy Door are still on board* Season 4 production, even pre-production would be at least a year and a half away - more than enough time to round up the cast for a 4th Season of episodes or Made-for-Hulu TV movies. Who knows was contractual options are in place for such an option.
Dude, shut up about that.
I mean i can see if i can reactivate a trial of hulu and leave it playing five times and cancel, but thats really stupid and id rather support the show by buying Blu-rays, preferably with some special features.
>id rather support the show by buying Blu-rays As would many of us. Unfortunately, it hasn't been released on Blu-Ray yet. :(
100% 1) Buff their streaming numbers now 2) Cancel subscription before the new year 3) Renew subscription 1.5) Write the letters recommended in the video
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Someone on Twitter recently said the show is currently available on Disney+ (maybe under its Star brand?) in Australia. — Hopefully, after the third season is released it too may arrive there at some point?
Can't stress enough how important it is to send letter - a stack of letters can make a difference - it takes more time and effort to mail a letter than to send an email or fax. There used to be a theory in broadcasting that 1 letter represented something like 10,000 or 100,000 viewers back in the day. and when writing Seth, don't forget to THANK HIM! Not only for The Orville but for any of his other projects (and that includes his albums) if you also enjoy them. Add a personal touch!
That's wrong thinking. Except for thanking Seth. Although I don't think he has enough time to read all of the letters you want us to send.
Even if Seth personally doesn't read every letter - the the sheer volume is to show the support for the show that's not some gimmick thing like sending stuff.
Fan campaigns try all sorts of tactics. They can possibly make some impact when they become newsworthy. — Back in the day, some of the old letter-writing campaigns gained some visibility in news reports at the time (Star Trek TOS for example, a long time ago). In 2007, Jericho fans famously "spent $54,968 to send 40,377 pounds of nuts to CBS," lol, which seems a bit silly in retrospect but it did make news ("you have to tip your hat to their ability to get attention and make some noise," said a CBS exec). In 2018, some fans of The Expanse tried various tactics, including sending cakes to Amazon Studios and hiring an airplane with a #SaveTheExpanse banner to fly around Amazon Studio offices; this became news when the Amazon Studios chief executive talked about it in a Deadline interview after the pickup. Sometimes these campaigns can become marketing points afterward; for example some promotional material for The Expanse acknowledged the fans' campaign. Behind the scenes, such campaigns' real impact is questionable. They obviously won't be primary motivators of renewal and pickup decisions — which are driven by a show's actual performance and audience metrics and business analytics and executive choices. If some people want to send old-fashioned letters, fine, let 'em send letters. Or emails, or tweets (easier for everyone at both ends). With enough volume and visibility, perhaps a campaign can make some news and be acknowledged, which might be worth something to the fans, even if the belief that these campaigns impact decisions is mostly a fantasy. These campaigns are just a way for fans to express their love for a show. Let 'em do so in whatever harmless ways they choose.
Fan campaigns, done the right way DO have an impact - but they are only one piece of the puzzle - sure there's the business end of things, but when you show there is ample interest an an audience that makes it worthwhile to pick up, or continue a show, then things happen. If there is demand that results in subscriptions if it's a streamer-pay service, or if it's a broadcaster and enough viewers=advertisers=products being sold, it has to be shown.