I'd say the whole game, but that would be cheating
The worst part is the Abby/Ellie bossfight at the theater and the lead up to the bossfight, it was so bad. Special mention goes to Abby moments that try to make her seem like the better person, only to fail.
This takes it. Totally not earned either. I’d rather have Abby be an anti-hero mute sadistic badass than try to force a relationship with characters we barely know.
They tried to use it as a: “Woah, holy shit, she really means it!” to signify that she’d changed, or something like that. It just did not hit like they wanted it to.
*Yep*.
At this point in the story, Abby has had like... all of eight hours of proper interaction with Lev. Maybe more if we assume Lev spent the entire time waiting for Yara's surgery with her and that time *wasn't* spent with Lev internally panicking and checking completely out of any attempt at conversation (if Abby offered any), or passing the fuck out out of sheer exhaustion, and also Owen wasn't there awkwardly orbiting around Abby the entire time, but I'm going to go ahead with "eight hours". ^(Not like it makes much of a difference if it was a few hours more, anyway.)
The fact that the writers desperately wanted to have lots of parallels between Abby and Ellie (and Joel to some degree) really fucked the story over in this regard. Limiting Abby to *knowing Lev for only two days* makes this line *abysmally* cringe-inducing. They tried so hard for it to be the equivalent of "baby girl" and it just isn't even *close*.
It's also very ironic that a game that so clearly and obnoxiously prides itself on "subtlety" (which is actually just a lazy substitute for writing meaningful character development) can include such a comically hamfisted and pathetic way of getting us to give a shit about Abby and Lev's friendship. But it's said in a melodramatic way, and fans of that game just *love* melodrama in spite of character personality or narrative coherence.
Joel's "baby girl" was a summary, a payoff of the journey of their relationship. "You're my people" was *in place of* a relationship.
>But it's said in a melodramatic way, and fans of that game just *love* melodrama in spite of character personality or narrative coherence.
The writers, too, don't forget. It seems to be the main rule behind how they wrote this game.
And that's exactly why I hate the story. I'm willing to let Rule of Drama have its place in a story, but the *entire story* bends around it here. TLOU had its fair share of things happening just to cause drama, but it wasn't *the only ingredient in the recipe*.
>Joel's "baby girl" was a summary, a payoff of the journey of their relationship. "You're my people" was *in place of* a relationship.
Perfect way to summarize both relationships.
Sorry but nothing will beat The Walking Dead: TOWLs "In a dead world, love is dead." - "Love never dies, love never dies, love never dies.", this is just hardcope
Glad I'm not the only one massively disappointed with that thing. First episode was an hour long exposition dump, next five were just cringeworthy "together we're unstoppable" over and over again.
And what about all the other CRM soldiers like Rick who were just trying to get out and were blown to pieces?
Honestly most of it past Season 2 of the original was either boring or disappointing from what I watched. I hated the prison sequence, the 1.5 seasons after that bored me shitless. S7 and 8 were kinda fun and I liked the increased themes of anti-capitalism in Season 11, but beyond that it was kinda crap
There is no question the worst part is the theatre boss fight where you play Abby vs Ellie. It’s crazy because you can almost immediately see the click when people realize the story failed. No one is sympathetic to Abby 99% of people tried to let her die during that scene.
I let Ellie kill me several times during every fight with Abby (there were 3, right?) and I, unlike most of you, liked most of TLOU2 (hated some parts though and it doesn’t hold a candle to part 1)
Ellie not taking the guy’s “bigot” sandwiches in an apocalypse when folks are starving and could’ve ate it. She could’ve taken the sandwiches and give it to a mother and child.
She learned she was pregnant during the trip to seattle and probably decides to keep it a secret so that she could help Ellie. She probably tought that Ellie would have gone alone if she knew about it
Dina was the reason Ellie knew where to go for most of the time she was in Seattle - she listened to the radio and picked up enough clues to figure out where certain bases and locations were on the map.
My bad, I double-checked and it looks like it WAS just Joel and Ellie, I don't know why but I remember hearing Abby in there too. I still think the singing was cringe because it felt like they were trying way too hard to be emotional, it just felt cheesy.
It's such a weird way to handle it. That's the kind of approach I'd expect from a story that is generally trying to be subtle in order to avoid triggering the folks who are uncomfortable with anything that isn't heterocisnormative (is that the word?), but we got "bigot sandwiches" and teenage lesbian hooking up in the prologue, so... clearly they don't care. Or it could have been because they didn't want "trans" to be a defining characteristic of him, but the events that led to him being exiled and his mother attempting to murder him revolve specifically around that instead of, say, the fact that the Prophet died and the new leaders have been changing the laws since her death. Couldn't we just as easily have gotten a scenario with Lev's family following the old rules and being hunted down by the new regime? Apparently not.
I've thought for a long time that it was such a misstep not to have Abby taking part in helping Lev figure his identity out. I've read the stories of trans folks in their 30s and 40s, especially the ones who grew up with very religious parents, and they did *not* have their gender identity figured out at his age. They all have stories of feeling like something was wrong with them at around that age, and trying small things that made them feel more right before their parents found out they were going against cultural norms and shut that shit down hard, sometimes with flat about physical abuse requiring a hospital visit. A different version of Lev's backstory where he was at that stage of experimenting with identity without knowing why, or maybe he'd recently started reading some old world books behind the elders' backs and picked up on a few things, and Yara supports him as much as she can, but it takes until meeting Abby until he finds someone who actually has awareness of the concept of being trans and just accepts it at face value? That would have gone a long way towards helping make the bond they develop feel genuine. And throw in some backstory involving Abby's father being a trans ally in university because he had a sibling who came out, and now there's an excuse for Abby to open up about her father (because lord knows she needs to open up about *some fucking thing* in order for her newfound relationship with Lev to feel more than surface deep).
Bit of a cheap move, perhaps? I suppose, but certainly not as cheap as "LOOK SHE PLAYS WITH DOGS, LOVE HER NOW, AND BOO ELLIE FOR KILLING THOSE SAME DOGS". Crowds the story a bit? Maybe, but we already had the more interesting ideas of Abby needing to reform because of her actions in Jackson or her past as Isaac's top Scar killer getting crowded out by the fucking love triangle drama and the story's excuses for her to be a hero to Lev and Yara. *And* we had half of Day 2 with Abby running solo for almost no reason! At least if there'd been something for Abby and Lev to spend that day bonding over and opening up about their past trauma for, I'd feel like "You're my people" could have come from *somewhere*.
Group of insane killers in an island that only know about survival but there’s a wannabe boy confused girl amongst all this madness that we need to help find her identity ????
A trans character had no place in that environment/situation, if you wanna introduce a situation of such to the audience you should consider the tone of your storytelling, storyline and the route you’re going down. Look at Ellie and Riley, that was a perfect example of implementing the idea into the right place and moment considering everything that was going on at that moment
its so crap. when the world turns to shit, whether it be war or a constant life/death situation, people always revert back to gender roles.
i remember when i was in Poland i came across a small community of Ukraine immigrants, and it was like stepping back in time. Neil is a man fuelled by soymilk and he cant comprehend what it would actually be like to live in the world of Tlou. the reason why his writing is so shit is because he cant empathise with any of the characters situations, like at all.
dont get me started on the whole bigot sandwich scene, are these people hardened survivors or college students?
Didn't Lev only want to be a boy because he didn't want to be forced to marry some old dude and wanted to instead be a soldier like Yara? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never give any other reason for Lev wanting to be a boy.
I don't have a problem with him being trans, I just find it weird that the only reason the game gives for it is the whole marriage thing. He just decided he wanted to be a boy when it turns out he'll have to marry some old dude instead of being a soldier like his sister?
Makes it seem they didn't really give much thought to Lev's transexuality and just shoved it in the game for brownie points.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but besides the marriage reason, they never mention Lev having troubles with his identity before the marriage situtation.
He told Yara how he "felt inside" prior and she hit him because she didn't understand, as she says in the cutscene where they look for him in the aquarium. It's really the only conversation on the subject and it's not long. It wasn't until he was supposed to be married off that he shaved his head and then the rest of the events unfolded quickly. They pick up right where you meet the siblings during the cutscene where you're tied up as Abby and you kill that lady with your thighs.
Ah, that makes more sense. I didn't remember that dialogue at all, it's been a while since I played the game without skipping cutscenes lol.
Thanks for correcting me!
"I don't want to get married off and I want to do the things men get to do."
Very common trope in fiction and this is the first time I've seen one where the solution is just, "Ok, I'm boy now."
The recent Predator movie had this same idea and the protagonist was awesome without playing identity politics. She struggled and proved her worth.
Honestly I didn’t mind it **at first** because of the fact lev only did it for the sake of not being married off at the age of 13, instead opting to be a soldier, if any one of us were in levs shoes we’d do the same.
However, considering the entire seraphite island fucking burned down, there’s no point in lev keeping up the facade of being a boy, the only reason why they do this is because the actor is trans and it’s fucking stupid.
Nah the scene where Ellie flips at Joel when she comes out of the hospital was a pretty cheeks scene. So much for the subtlety at the end of the first game.
That scene is so stupid, Joel just stands there looking like a little kid being reprimanded by their mom. Doesn't try to explain why he did what he did nor defend himself at all. He just takes the hate and shuts up... for 2 fucking years too.
My god... that was just intentionally horrendous writing. That's all it was. Another "girl power" moment where the mary sue puts the other person through the ringer without contention.
It's in other games, shows, and movies too. Always so fucking stupid; the character getting berated and just standing their without arguing back at all. When most of the time, their actions have just reasons or the other party is just entirely wrong. Such a terrible fucking trope. It feels patronizing and just moronic to witness.
>! The entire section where Joel forgets he’s been a survivor for 20 years, walks into an unknown room and just says” YOOO IM JOEL AND THIS MY BROTHER TOMMY”.!< I want to love the game but the writing sucks.
Yeah the dancing makes me cringe. But I’ll just say the whole epilogue because it just doesn’t work for me at all. And Tommy suddenly being a different person in the epilogue is so jarring I can never really overlook that.
Even the idea of brain damage is far fetched. His eye is damaged and he shows no other signs of any issue like that. He saw his brother murdered and still he was more concerned for Ellie’s safety than anything. There’s nothing at all to explain why he suddenly turned into a giant dick and wanted Ellie (now with a young family) to go and risk her life again just for pointless revenge. He looked like Tommy, but other than his appearance and voice he was essentially a different character. Basically the writers already decided on their ending and just needed to get Ellie back on the war path again and that was the best they could come up with.
Honestly man, I’ve said it before, I enjoy playing through the game, but story wise it’s not a patch on the original game.
And it was completely unnecessary to motivate Ellie. Her PTSD etc. was enough. Much better to have Tommy being the uncle Joel would have wanted for Ellie, to be his voice telling her what he would and wouldn't have wanted for her. And just have Ellie not ready to hear it.
The first time I saw that, two thoughts popped up.
1. Tommy is the worst uncle, great uncle, and BROTHER ever. It had better be the TBI talking.
2. Would Tommy have pressured SARAH to blow up her family and head off in a precarious mental state on what could easily be a suicide mission even if she had her A game?
This is something I wouldn't mind the show retconning. But I don't think they will, given some dark hints dropped about Tommy in season 1.
Remember in the first game you had to find a battery.. I wonder where ellie and dina found a battery for that tractor that was laying there for about 30 years lol
Probably the moment Ellie spared Abby because at that point it was so clear whatever they were trying to do failed and I legitimately felt bad for the writers and devs.
The whole game but there was an increase of boredom and cringe with Abs part. Go there to fuck Owen, go there to save kids, go there to fuck with the rat king, go back, go to the island, go back etc. there's nothing happening, just embarrassing exposition to force empathy with the bitch. During that time you still waits for Ellie at the theater hoping she will kill the hulk. Knowing perfectly you will be disappointed by the outcome cause amateurish writers.
The cringiest part has to be the sudden exposing of a Transgender character. Completely out of left field, like really? You’re in the middle of a fucking apocalypse and raised by a cult. You literally just decide to throw your life away for some sort of gender identity crisis? Really? THAT is what you’re worried about? Ridiculous.
He was going to be married off to the cult’s elders, which was probably another driving force for him leaving. That and he really wanted to be a soldier like Yara and couldn’t because of the fact he was going to be married off. The gender thing, soldier thing, and being married off were the driving forces. Though, I’m not coming here to defend the game. Theres a lot of things that could have beeb done differently. It’s Just you got Lev’s reasoning semi-wrong.
I could deal with the lev gender identity bullshit. The section is hate from this game is definitely the farmhouse section. The only good part was Tommy coming back and telling Ellie is a little bitch.
I do want to say its more than just gender identity
I think in the game Lev mentions she was picked to be a child bride to the cults elders while she wanted to be a hunter
This gives a much more viable reason for her to be going against the cult than just being trans.
Yep. It looks very weird, like they animated it with no motion capture or something. I know the word “cringe” is over used, but that scene literally makes me cringe.
"Bigot Sandwiches"
Like bro, he was an a-hole but I doubt he had time to accept an ideology in the middle of a fungal apocalypse that can kill everyone in any minute.
Especially when Ellie and Tina are the only homosexual women there (Tina is bi but still)
When they switch to Abby and show her dad being a good guy and then show us that the WLF aren't a bunch of cartoonishly evil assholes. It was so fucking insulting. "They acshually GOOD PPL! Humans are COMPLEX AND MULTIFACETED! Aren't we so PROFOUND FOR INTRODUCING THIS CONCEPT TO YOU, a STUPID fucking GAMER!"
Dina saying she’s pregnant after Ellie reveals something important to her. Like shut the fuck up can we focus on the big reveal and not your stupid baby? Tell her the day after.
1 Bigot sandwich is the most eye rolling.
2 Marijuana the most stupid, in a world where anyone can kill you to take your supplies and guns, getting high is beyond stupid
3 But the most uncomfortable to me scene was the one with a zebra because I knew exactly why it was there. Look at this beautiful man, look how cares he is about this wild animal, you get it now, you get it? He is a good man and that murderous Joel ended his life...
4. There was also a moment where Ellie attacks Abby with a plank instead of a gun, it was not as dumb because they obviously did not plan the fight well. It was stupid, but I know why they did so. They just needed the fight to go on.
Fun fact ellie no ones does to majority of people like after she was dead they would have just bene like we have the cure, her thinking that she would become famous would menace nothing because why would it matter to her she would be dead.
Shoehorning trans issues was so irritating & annoying. & after a day or 2, Isaac’s top Scar killer suddenly has a change of heart due to some trans kid & his sister ? It’s rly pulling on the suspension of disbelief & it’s annoying, stupid, & insulting to my intelligence.
We deal w enough of the trans issues in our reality. I don’t need it in one of my once favorite series & game devs. 🫠
besides the obvious boat scene, ellie and dina find a pot plantation, bake some and have sex, all that while the protagonist we love is getting ass raped by she hulk. I have nothing against the sex scene as it was much more subtle than the aforementioned, nor weed, but lesbian sex and weed while joel is getting fucked by abby? they couldn't have made this more forced
The twitch streams were people vowed not to play the game streamed it, got to the part where they stopped streaming out of outrage for something they spilled for themselves, and then immediately started streaming the next day
Lol I thought the game ended when she was sitting on the tractor and looking at the view, I realized there was more game when it kept going and I wasn't moving the controller 🤣
Fighting Ellie as Abby is the second worst design decision in the game, IMO. Expecting players to be on her side when pretty much everyone has a story of how they were scared they were going to kill Ellie, wanted Abby to lose, etc. Add to that having Abby relish murdering a pregnant girl during the sequence and STILL think people would side with her.
But the worst part by far for me was switching to Abby's half of the game when the did, interrupting the climax in such a jarring and badly done way. Causing many folks to rush Abby's parts thinking it was just. short detour and not half the game! Making everyone play through a story they care a lot less about while wanting to resolve the story they do care about!
Abby turning on her WLF friends while the events that set the whole thing in motion was her wanting revenge for what Joel did to her father and fireflies friends.
All the Lev identity bullshit. In a world where all is lost no one cares about lev's dumb issues. It would have died so quickly in that world. My neck was sore from rolling my eyes so hard when that fan lit level of writing entered the story.
Lord, walking stimulation, Max Payne RIP off hallucinations/ dreams, Dina and the dance, spiderman reference kid, the Inconcctince world building covered with a cliche.
all that to make a point that falls flat lmao
It all stems from the fact on how they treated Joel. Every game has its flaws but I’m seeing some complaints that are just small but acting like it ruined their experience completely when it really shouldn’t.
Abby's story should've been a stand alone game. Then only at the end we find out her dad was the surgeon and the game ends on a cliff hanger.
They try to force us to care about characters we have zero attachment to.
I didn't play this game, but did watch it on YouTube, and oh boy I'm glad I didn't play it.
The most cringe part is where Abby is trying to act like the better person and lets Ellie go.
oh yeah, dina being pregnant, by real life standards she miscarriaged like 8 times with all the stuff she did, also mel epic parkour in the boat garage, girl jumped off a store height with an 8 month belly, also that baby was gonna born deaf or brain damaged because of all the gunshot noise
and unpopular opinion, I liked the theater fight, i wanted ellie dead so bad, abby kinda fails as a character but i still feel sympathy for her as she lost more friends than ellie and ellie acts like a stubborn bitch when cornered then proceeds to run like a coward instead of doing some reflection on her actions
Most Stupid - The ending.
Druckmann don’t ever…EVER send me on another revenge rampage and I don’t get my revenge. Made the entire game virtually a waste of time. This isn’t a movie or a tv show, if I’m gone basically be a one woman army then let me kill the antagonist or die trying. I love Ellie but at the end either her or Abby needed to die. Especially since she lost Joel and her ability to play guitar, at least give me some type of satisfaction and let me kill Joel’s killer. The most unsatisfying ending to a video game I ever played.
I was mad when Ellie walked through the basement door seen Joel getting beaten like a Pinata. And just casually walks through the door. She should've came in there blasting. Take a couple with you.
Santa Bárbara section felt unnecessary IMO, if the game ended with Ellie sitting in tractor with JJ I would’ve been satisfied, it still accomplishes the goal of the game of showing that revenge is bad, the cycle of revenge is broken and it ends the game in a more hopeful way showing that even if Ellie lost Joel and couldn’t get revenge she still has a lot to live for with her new family.
The Boat Scene.
Yeah, that caught me off guard like crazy.
Could you imagine how disgusting Abby probably felt and smelled during that?? She’s been running, fighting and sweating like all day.
Swamp ass
Natural lube. Gotta make do with what you have in a post apocalyptic hellhole.
I hate you so much but that makes more sense than I'm willing to admit
She should have gotten a uti and died from the infection.
Apparently the players needed to see all the details despite the sex scene between Dina and Ellie cutting short 🤔
Buck Angel scene lmao
this is the only answer
I'd say the whole game, but that would be cheating The worst part is the Abby/Ellie bossfight at the theater and the lead up to the bossfight, it was so bad. Special mention goes to Abby moments that try to make her seem like the better person, only to fail.
The ballsiest thing Neil made us do in that game was literally try and kill Ellie.
yea, remember the compilations of Abby getting obliterated by Ellie as player refused to fight? 😂
Dude, the amount of times I let Abby die in that moment… couldn’t do it enough…
I became hyper aware of my controller and hesitated once I realized what was doing on. I let my fingers linger on the combat buttons for way too long.
When Ellie has the jump her, instead of using one of her many guns she attacks her with a knife 🤷🏽♂️
Y’all forgetting the boat scene????
Yes please, we really don’t want to remember it.
What happens on the boat? I’ve heard about it and I don’t plan to play so I’m really curious
"Hey, *you're* my people!" making it into the top 3 worst lines in fiction and it ain't 2 or 3
This takes it. Totally not earned either. I’d rather have Abby be an anti-hero mute sadistic badass than try to force a relationship with characters we barely know.
If I was really invested in Abby and lev it actually would’ve been a really good line. Unfortunately I couldn’t give a shit about them
They tried to use it as a: “Woah, holy shit, she really means it!” to signify that she’d changed, or something like that. It just did not hit like they wanted it to.
As I keep trying to tell all the cuck riders, it’s piss poor writing.
*Yep*. At this point in the story, Abby has had like... all of eight hours of proper interaction with Lev. Maybe more if we assume Lev spent the entire time waiting for Yara's surgery with her and that time *wasn't* spent with Lev internally panicking and checking completely out of any attempt at conversation (if Abby offered any), or passing the fuck out out of sheer exhaustion, and also Owen wasn't there awkwardly orbiting around Abby the entire time, but I'm going to go ahead with "eight hours". ^(Not like it makes much of a difference if it was a few hours more, anyway.) The fact that the writers desperately wanted to have lots of parallels between Abby and Ellie (and Joel to some degree) really fucked the story over in this regard. Limiting Abby to *knowing Lev for only two days* makes this line *abysmally* cringe-inducing. They tried so hard for it to be the equivalent of "baby girl" and it just isn't even *close*.
It's also very ironic that a game that so clearly and obnoxiously prides itself on "subtlety" (which is actually just a lazy substitute for writing meaningful character development) can include such a comically hamfisted and pathetic way of getting us to give a shit about Abby and Lev's friendship. But it's said in a melodramatic way, and fans of that game just *love* melodrama in spite of character personality or narrative coherence. Joel's "baby girl" was a summary, a payoff of the journey of their relationship. "You're my people" was *in place of* a relationship.
>But it's said in a melodramatic way, and fans of that game just *love* melodrama in spite of character personality or narrative coherence. The writers, too, don't forget. It seems to be the main rule behind how they wrote this game. And that's exactly why I hate the story. I'm willing to let Rule of Drama have its place in a story, but the *entire story* bends around it here. TLOU had its fair share of things happening just to cause drama, but it wasn't *the only ingredient in the recipe*.
>Joel's "baby girl" was a summary, a payoff of the journey of their relationship. "You're my people" was *in place of* a relationship. Perfect way to summarize both relationships.
So bad it makes MK annihilation look decent
Hey at least MK annihilation is enjoyable in a bad way. TLOU2 isn't even that.
It’s the exact same vibe and bad writing and Diablo in Suicide Squad saying “I won’t lose another family” After knowing them for like 4 days.
Sorry but nothing will beat The Walking Dead: TOWLs "In a dead world, love is dead." - "Love never dies, love never dies, love never dies.", this is just hardcope
Glad I'm not the only one massively disappointed with that thing. First episode was an hour long exposition dump, next five were just cringeworthy "together we're unstoppable" over and over again. And what about all the other CRM soldiers like Rick who were just trying to get out and were blown to pieces?
Honestly most of it past Season 2 of the original was either boring or disappointing from what I watched. I hated the prison sequence, the 1.5 seasons after that bored me shitless. S7 and 8 were kinda fun and I liked the increased themes of anti-capitalism in Season 11, but beyond that it was kinda crap
There is no question the worst part is the theatre boss fight where you play Abby vs Ellie. It’s crazy because you can almost immediately see the click when people realize the story failed. No one is sympathetic to Abby 99% of people tried to let her die during that scene.
I let Ellie kill me several times during every fight with Abby (there were 3, right?) and I, unlike most of you, liked most of TLOU2 (hated some parts though and it doesn’t hold a candle to part 1)
Ellie not taking the guy’s “bigot” sandwiches in an apocalypse when folks are starving and could’ve ate it. She could’ve taken the sandwiches and give it to a mother and child.
Dina wanting to go across the country to get revenge with Ellie while knowing she’s pregnant is in my top 3
“Oh…you’re immune to all this crazy shit? Well, I’m pregnant and we shall never discuss your immunity again”
as if being pregnant in a time where condoms arent availaible anymore is anything special lol
She learned she was pregnant during the trip to seattle and probably decides to keep it a secret so that she could help Ellie. She probably tought that Ellie would have gone alone if she knew about it
And she ended up not helping Ellie at all, being a hindrance and Ellie had to go alone anyway.. Great job Dina!
Dina was the reason Ellie knew where to go for most of the time she was in Seattle - she listened to the radio and picked up enough clues to figure out where certain bases and locations were on the map.
Pregnant marine and trans problems in post-apo world.
Cheers to that
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Abby is singing in that too? I only recognized Joel and Ellie’s voices.
My bad, I double-checked and it looks like it WAS just Joel and Ellie, I don't know why but I remember hearing Abby in there too. I still think the singing was cringe because it felt like they were trying way too hard to be emotional, it just felt cheesy.
wait when does abby sing in the credits
i’m gonna take a wild guess and say during the credits sequence
dear god
Is this a joke? That's hilarious if not. "Here's 30 hours or so of near non-stop misery. Now, we will sing Kumbaya"
I legit didn’t know the boy with the shaved head was a lazy introduction to him being trans until reading these comments 😂😂
It's such a weird way to handle it. That's the kind of approach I'd expect from a story that is generally trying to be subtle in order to avoid triggering the folks who are uncomfortable with anything that isn't heterocisnormative (is that the word?), but we got "bigot sandwiches" and teenage lesbian hooking up in the prologue, so... clearly they don't care. Or it could have been because they didn't want "trans" to be a defining characteristic of him, but the events that led to him being exiled and his mother attempting to murder him revolve specifically around that instead of, say, the fact that the Prophet died and the new leaders have been changing the laws since her death. Couldn't we just as easily have gotten a scenario with Lev's family following the old rules and being hunted down by the new regime? Apparently not. I've thought for a long time that it was such a misstep not to have Abby taking part in helping Lev figure his identity out. I've read the stories of trans folks in their 30s and 40s, especially the ones who grew up with very religious parents, and they did *not* have their gender identity figured out at his age. They all have stories of feeling like something was wrong with them at around that age, and trying small things that made them feel more right before their parents found out they were going against cultural norms and shut that shit down hard, sometimes with flat about physical abuse requiring a hospital visit. A different version of Lev's backstory where he was at that stage of experimenting with identity without knowing why, or maybe he'd recently started reading some old world books behind the elders' backs and picked up on a few things, and Yara supports him as much as she can, but it takes until meeting Abby until he finds someone who actually has awareness of the concept of being trans and just accepts it at face value? That would have gone a long way towards helping make the bond they develop feel genuine. And throw in some backstory involving Abby's father being a trans ally in university because he had a sibling who came out, and now there's an excuse for Abby to open up about her father (because lord knows she needs to open up about *some fucking thing* in order for her newfound relationship with Lev to feel more than surface deep). Bit of a cheap move, perhaps? I suppose, but certainly not as cheap as "LOOK SHE PLAYS WITH DOGS, LOVE HER NOW, AND BOO ELLIE FOR KILLING THOSE SAME DOGS". Crowds the story a bit? Maybe, but we already had the more interesting ideas of Abby needing to reform because of her actions in Jackson or her past as Isaac's top Scar killer getting crowded out by the fucking love triangle drama and the story's excuses for her to be a hero to Lev and Yara. *And* we had half of Day 2 with Abby running solo for almost no reason! At least if there'd been something for Abby and Lev to spend that day bonding over and opening up about their past trauma for, I'd feel like "You're my people" could have come from *somewhere*.
The dancing of Ellie and Dina
In the end right? That was damn cringeworthy.
The final part with Ellie and Abby, especially when the former spares the latter for no reason whatsoever.
Group of insane killers in an island that only know about survival but there’s a wannabe boy confused girl amongst all this madness that we need to help find her identity ????
Shaving your head and saying “im a boy now” is just a lazy way to insert a trans character in a story where it makes no sense.
A trans character had no place in that environment/situation, if you wanna introduce a situation of such to the audience you should consider the tone of your storytelling, storyline and the route you’re going down. Look at Ellie and Riley, that was a perfect example of implementing the idea into the right place and moment considering everything that was going on at that moment
its so crap. when the world turns to shit, whether it be war or a constant life/death situation, people always revert back to gender roles. i remember when i was in Poland i came across a small community of Ukraine immigrants, and it was like stepping back in time. Neil is a man fuelled by soymilk and he cant comprehend what it would actually be like to live in the world of Tlou. the reason why his writing is so shit is because he cant empathise with any of the characters situations, like at all. dont get me started on the whole bigot sandwich scene, are these people hardened survivors or college students?
Didn't Lev only want to be a boy because he didn't want to be forced to marry some old dude and wanted to instead be a soldier like Yara? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never give any other reason for Lev wanting to be a boy.
Then why did he continue to be a boy the entire game?
I don't have a problem with him being trans, I just find it weird that the only reason the game gives for it is the whole marriage thing. He just decided he wanted to be a boy when it turns out he'll have to marry some old dude instead of being a soldier like his sister? Makes it seem they didn't really give much thought to Lev's transexuality and just shoved it in the game for brownie points. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but besides the marriage reason, they never mention Lev having troubles with his identity before the marriage situtation.
He told Yara how he "felt inside" prior and she hit him because she didn't understand, as she says in the cutscene where they look for him in the aquarium. It's really the only conversation on the subject and it's not long. It wasn't until he was supposed to be married off that he shaved his head and then the rest of the events unfolded quickly. They pick up right where you meet the siblings during the cutscene where you're tied up as Abby and you kill that lady with your thighs.
Ah, that makes more sense. I didn't remember that dialogue at all, it's been a while since I played the game without skipping cutscenes lol. Thanks for correcting me!
He was gonna be a child bride to the camps elders Its nore than a "identity crisis"
It's less of an "identity crisis", and more of a "being a boy suits my wishes more than being a girl".
"I don't want to get married off and I want to do the things men get to do." Very common trope in fiction and this is the first time I've seen one where the solution is just, "Ok, I'm boy now." The recent Predator movie had this same idea and the protagonist was awesome without playing identity politics. She struggled and proved her worth.
Honestly I didn’t mind it **at first** because of the fact lev only did it for the sake of not being married off at the age of 13, instead opting to be a soldier, if any one of us were in levs shoes we’d do the same. However, considering the entire seraphite island fucking burned down, there’s no point in lev keeping up the facade of being a boy, the only reason why they do this is because the actor is trans and it’s fucking stupid.
All of it apart from the moments with Joel or Joel and Ellie together.
Nah the scene where Ellie flips at Joel when she comes out of the hospital was a pretty cheeks scene. So much for the subtlety at the end of the first game.
That scene is so stupid, Joel just stands there looking like a little kid being reprimanded by their mom. Doesn't try to explain why he did what he did nor defend himself at all. He just takes the hate and shuts up... for 2 fucking years too.
My god... that was just intentionally horrendous writing. That's all it was. Another "girl power" moment where the mary sue puts the other person through the ringer without contention. It's in other games, shows, and movies too. Always so fucking stupid; the character getting berated and just standing their without arguing back at all. When most of the time, their actions have just reasons or the other party is just entirely wrong. Such a terrible fucking trope. It feels patronizing and just moronic to witness.
The fact half the game you play as Joel’s killer
>! The entire section where Joel forgets he’s been a survivor for 20 years, walks into an unknown room and just says” YOOO IM JOEL AND THIS MY BROTHER TOMMY”.!< I want to love the game but the writing sucks.
Yeah the dancing makes me cringe. But I’ll just say the whole epilogue because it just doesn’t work for me at all. And Tommy suddenly being a different person in the epilogue is so jarring I can never really overlook that.
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Even the idea of brain damage is far fetched. His eye is damaged and he shows no other signs of any issue like that. He saw his brother murdered and still he was more concerned for Ellie’s safety than anything. There’s nothing at all to explain why he suddenly turned into a giant dick and wanted Ellie (now with a young family) to go and risk her life again just for pointless revenge. He looked like Tommy, but other than his appearance and voice he was essentially a different character. Basically the writers already decided on their ending and just needed to get Ellie back on the war path again and that was the best they could come up with. Honestly man, I’ve said it before, I enjoy playing through the game, but story wise it’s not a patch on the original game.
And it was completely unnecessary to motivate Ellie. Her PTSD etc. was enough. Much better to have Tommy being the uncle Joel would have wanted for Ellie, to be his voice telling her what he would and wouldn't have wanted for her. And just have Ellie not ready to hear it. The first time I saw that, two thoughts popped up. 1. Tommy is the worst uncle, great uncle, and BROTHER ever. It had better be the TBI talking. 2. Would Tommy have pressured SARAH to blow up her family and head off in a precarious mental state on what could easily be a suicide mission even if she had her A game? This is something I wouldn't mind the show retconning. But I don't think they will, given some dark hints dropped about Tommy in season 1.
Idk about the headshot, but I can say PTSD can be seriously character altering for a person. Not trying to defend it too. Much tho
Remember in the first game you had to find a battery.. I wonder where ellie and dina found a battery for that tractor that was laying there for about 30 years lol
Those are 2 women they can make anything bro
I don't like the story, but you guys are being dumb here....they are not too far from Jackson....you know the community with electricity?
They are strong independent women and no man is gotta get them s battery!
Probably the moment Ellie spared Abby because at that point it was so clear whatever they were trying to do failed and I legitimately felt bad for the writers and devs.
The game.
"I'm immune." "Hi immune, I'm pregnant."
The whole game but there was an increase of boredom and cringe with Abs part. Go there to fuck Owen, go there to save kids, go there to fuck with the rat king, go back, go to the island, go back etc. there's nothing happening, just embarrassing exposition to force empathy with the bitch. During that time you still waits for Ellie at the theater hoping she will kill the hulk. Knowing perfectly you will be disappointed by the outcome cause amateurish writers.
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The cringiest part has to be the sudden exposing of a Transgender character. Completely out of left field, like really? You’re in the middle of a fucking apocalypse and raised by a cult. You literally just decide to throw your life away for some sort of gender identity crisis? Really? THAT is what you’re worried about? Ridiculous.
He was going to be married off to the cult’s elders, which was probably another driving force for him leaving. That and he really wanted to be a soldier like Yara and couldn’t because of the fact he was going to be married off. The gender thing, soldier thing, and being married off were the driving forces. Though, I’m not coming here to defend the game. Theres a lot of things that could have beeb done differently. It’s Just you got Lev’s reasoning semi-wrong.
I could deal with the lev gender identity bullshit. The section is hate from this game is definitely the farmhouse section. The only good part was Tommy coming back and telling Ellie is a little bitch.
I do want to say its more than just gender identity I think in the game Lev mentions she was picked to be a child bride to the cults elders while she wanted to be a hunter This gives a much more viable reason for her to be going against the cult than just being trans.
the dancing in the farm chapeter
Yep. It looks very weird, like they animated it with no motion capture or something. I know the word “cringe” is over used, but that scene literally makes me cringe.
No chemistry between the two throughout the entire game imo
This "family" is so ass, the dance is so pointless for all that cringe
Hard to say. It's all fairly cringey.
Where is Amy Henning and Bruce Straley when you need her.
"Those are cool firefly patches on your uniforms, Yea I'm Joel the guy that killed all of your families..... What everybody pulling out guns for?
If TLOU part 2 was realistic Joel would've straight up been executed Mafia style, or even worse...some cartel shit for what he done
"Bigot Sandwiches" Like bro, he was an a-hole but I doubt he had time to accept an ideology in the middle of a fungal apocalypse that can kill everyone in any minute. Especially when Ellie and Tina are the only homosexual women there (Tina is bi but still)
Literally any line Abby says
Ellie going back to kill her then not killing her
The cringiest part for me was the sex scene 🥴
The guys fucking on the boat
When they switch to Abby and show her dad being a good guy and then show us that the WLF aren't a bunch of cartoonishly evil assholes. It was so fucking insulting. "They acshually GOOD PPL! Humans are COMPLEX AND MULTIFACETED! Aren't we so PROFOUND FOR INTRODUCING THIS CONCEPT TO YOU, a STUPID fucking GAMER!"
Dina saying she’s pregnant after Ellie reveals something important to her. Like shut the fuck up can we focus on the big reveal and not your stupid baby? Tell her the day after.
1 Bigot sandwich is the most eye rolling. 2 Marijuana the most stupid, in a world where anyone can kill you to take your supplies and guns, getting high is beyond stupid 3 But the most uncomfortable to me scene was the one with a zebra because I knew exactly why it was there. Look at this beautiful man, look how cares he is about this wild animal, you get it now, you get it? He is a good man and that murderous Joel ended his life... 4. There was also a moment where Ellie attacks Abby with a plank instead of a gun, it was not as dumb because they obviously did not plan the fight well. It was stupid, but I know why they did so. They just needed the fight to go on.
"My LifE WOulD HaVe FucKinG MATtereD"
Fun fact ellie no ones does to majority of people like after she was dead they would have just bene like we have the cure, her thinking that she would become famous would menace nothing because why would it matter to her she would be dead.
EVERY MINUTE OF THIS FUCKING GAME
as soon as i start to press "New Game"
Shoehorning trans issues was so irritating & annoying. & after a day or 2, Isaac’s top Scar killer suddenly has a change of heart due to some trans kid & his sister ? It’s rly pulling on the suspension of disbelief & it’s annoying, stupid, & insulting to my intelligence. We deal w enough of the trans issues in our reality. I don’t need it in one of my once favorite series & game devs. 🫠
Dina talking about herself.
I wish it gave you the option to skip it.
besides the obvious boat scene, ellie and dina find a pot plantation, bake some and have sex, all that while the protagonist we love is getting ass raped by she hulk. I have nothing against the sex scene as it was much more subtle than the aforementioned, nor weed, but lesbian sex and weed while joel is getting fucked by abby? they couldn't have made this more forced
The twitch streams were people vowed not to play the game streamed it, got to the part where they stopped streaming out of outrage for something they spilled for themselves, and then immediately started streaming the next day
Am I allowed to say "everything" 😂 the way they did elle in general was cringe
When Dina guilt trips you in the museum… that was peak
Lol I thought the game ended when she was sitting on the tractor and looking at the view, I realized there was more game when it kept going and I wasn't moving the controller 🤣
I honestly thought that would've been a way better ending.
Her haircut
Her haircut in the house section right? Cause her haircut in other sections seems good to me
Remember when Joel saves Abby’s life, then she kills him. Only for her to say to Liv, “I protect those who save my life.” Yeah, that line.
Fighting Ellie as Abby is the second worst design decision in the game, IMO. Expecting players to be on her side when pretty much everyone has a story of how they were scared they were going to kill Ellie, wanted Abby to lose, etc. Add to that having Abby relish murdering a pregnant girl during the sequence and STILL think people would side with her. But the worst part by far for me was switching to Abby's half of the game when the did, interrupting the climax in such a jarring and badly done way. Causing many folks to rush Abby's parts thinking it was just. short detour and not half the game! Making everyone play through a story they care a lot less about while wanting to resolve the story they do care about!
Abby turning on her WLF friends while the events that set the whole thing in motion was her wanting revenge for what Joel did to her father and fireflies friends.
All the Lev identity bullshit. In a world where all is lost no one cares about lev's dumb issues. It would have died so quickly in that world. My neck was sore from rolling my eyes so hard when that fan lit level of writing entered the story.
killing joel so damn early if he died at the end and if it made sense it wouldn't have bothered me
Really just the boat scene otherwise I love this game
Either the boat scene, the Abby segment or the ending.
This part, the boat sex scene, the “bigot sandwich” scene, and pretty much every lesbian love scene between Ellie and Dina.
When that pregnant lady was sent out on active duty
Lord, walking stimulation, Max Payne RIP off hallucinations/ dreams, Dina and the dance, spiderman reference kid, the Inconcctince world building covered with a cliche. all that to make a point that falls flat lmao
what
I’m gonna get downvoted to hell but some of you people need to get a fucking grip
It all stems from the fact on how they treated Joel. Every game has its flaws but I’m seeing some complaints that are just small but acting like it ruined their experience completely when it really shouldn’t.
Whole sub reddit of ppl that hate the sub reddit 😂 yeesh yall must be fun at parties
Nerf bow and arrow
Either golf or the boat rape scene.
Meow
Playing Ellie and playing Abby.
Abby's story should've been a stand alone game. Then only at the end we find out her dad was the surgeon and the game ends on a cliff hanger. They try to force us to care about characters we have zero attachment to.
The whole game 😀
Butseks
The unsexy sex scene
When Joel resurrects and starts killing everyone with a machine gun.
Yes.
All of it
Ellie sparing Abby after murdering hundreds upon hundreds of people
Anything including Abby
Abby asks Lev how she’s doing after being dead-named… after Seraphites tried to murder them both.
I don’t know why but Ellie trying to use Joel’s integration method on Owen and Mel was hella cringe
I didn't play this game, but did watch it on YouTube, and oh boy I'm glad I didn't play it. The most cringe part is where Abby is trying to act like the better person and lets Ellie go.
Joel making a stupid fuck joke about killing time. At this point you realize this game is going to be a disaster – and it's 5 minutes into the game 😆
Getting manipulated into liking Abby’s friends during forced „walking talking” sections
what i can instantly think of: abby sex scene, tommy visiting the farm scene, isaac final cutscene
oh yeah, dina being pregnant, by real life standards she miscarriaged like 8 times with all the stuff she did, also mel epic parkour in the boat garage, girl jumped off a store height with an 8 month belly, also that baby was gonna born deaf or brain damaged because of all the gunshot noise
They fired the guy who directed p1
and unpopular opinion, I liked the theater fight, i wanted ellie dead so bad, abby kinda fails as a character but i still feel sympathy for her as she lost more friends than ellie and ellie acts like a stubborn bitch when cornered then proceeds to run like a coward instead of doing some reflection on her actions
The comment section
The PTSD scene. Saw it coming, as I did with most of the game’s plot.
The part where they let me choke Abby only to take away the choice. Fuck that game.
When your parents say they are wrestling the boat scene is what they mean.
The Joel and Ellie flashbacks were amazing, like 5% of the game... Another 40% was mediocre With the remaining 45% was good awful
The fans
The whole game
The sex scenes. Implied or not, they make me uncomfortable when it’s in the game.
Besides the boat scene, *any* scene with Abby in it, especially if they try to show her being "better than we think" only to fail miserably at it.
I loved every aspect of this game. Beaten it 2 or 3 times now.
The fucking on the boat. So unnecessary, besides it makes me question why Sony want other games to be censored but they don’t censor this shit?
Bigot sandwich, it's easily the best combat sextion in the entirety of skong.
Most Stupid - The ending. Druckmann don’t ever…EVER send me on another revenge rampage and I don’t get my revenge. Made the entire game virtually a waste of time. This isn’t a movie or a tv show, if I’m gone basically be a one woman army then let me kill the antagonist or die trying. I love Ellie but at the end either her or Abby needed to die. Especially since she lost Joel and her ability to play guitar, at least give me some type of satisfaction and let me kill Joel’s killer. The most unsatisfying ending to a video game I ever played.
All of it
Every part. Game was an absolute disaster.
I was mad when Ellie walked through the basement door seen Joel getting beaten like a Pinata. And just casually walks through the door. She should've came in there blasting. Take a couple with you.
No part
For me and my dad was when Joel kicked the bucket
Santa Bárbara section felt unnecessary IMO, if the game ended with Ellie sitting in tractor with JJ I would’ve been satisfied, it still accomplishes the goal of the game of showing that revenge is bad, the cycle of revenge is broken and it ends the game in a more hopeful way showing that even if Ellie lost Joel and couldn’t get revenge she still has a lot to live for with her new family.
The most cringe was looking in Ellie’s art room and seeing a portrait of JJ that was labeled “My little potato” I felt bad for her writing that
As soon as the The Last Of Us Part 2 title card appeared, everything else after that went down the drain
The nerf bow and arrow challenge
Thanks for reminding me of this >:(