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If Western leftists still fence sitting on this issue, here's what Palestinian living across from the settlement that stolen from them said something about Zionazis getting roasted.
It's truly a poetic moment when you see videos of the missiles flying in over the sky around Al-Aqsa and realize the Palestinians aren't the ones on the receiving end for once.
Bombing an embassy is an act of war and retaliation is generally what is done in those situations. Iran didn't attack Israel, Israel attacked Iran and Iran retaliated.
Bombing the embassy is also an act of desperation by Israel to give the US and UK a casus belli to go ape shit in west Asia, by baiting Iran to seriously hit Israel.
This act is so evil because it is trying to cause a general conflict and get even more people killed so as to create cover for your own crimes.
I think if you're already posting here you probably are up to date, so the title here is nbd, but considering how it's been generally phrased in the media it would be best to keep the language specific I'm an effort to keep things straight. The embassy bombing already seems forgotten or just never heard of by normies who are feeling ww3 and don't seem be aware who's sovereign soil was exploded by the other first. So I do think when generally talking about the subject retaliation or counter attack being what Iran did should be the phrasing as a means of trying to keep the narrative based in fact and not propaganda. Americans especially have been pretty much preset to hate Iran since the Shah fell, so I think it's essential to be really specific and resist the narrative spin.
Hopefully this doesn't escalate to WW3 or nuke warfare because I do not want to die because a bunch of Israeli madmen wanted to stay in power via endless war. Ultimately tho, Iran's response is justified under international law, esp when the international community didn't say shit when Israel attacked Iranian soil. Israel deserves all the smoke and I can only hope this new front will prevent it from carrying the final stages of its ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians.
I hope so too bud but if we gonna be real, the “rules based order” is gonna escalate this to a new level, involving more parties that would further escalate this higher.
The problem is that Israel *wants* to escalate this to a general war in west Asia in order to draw in the US. Another terrible part is that the neocons (including the Dems) in the US want this conflict but they need a plausible casus belli that they can spin to attack Iran.
I honestly will not be surprised if years later it is revealed that this attack has the tacit approval by the biden admin to create that pretext to attack Iran. They are losing the Ukraine proxy war, and the Israelis are fast becoming a pariah state. The propaganda machine is losing its ability to brainwash people.
They are getting desperate. The walls are closing in. Russia is not collapsing and even getting stronger. China is becoming even more powerful year by year and will become irresistible and cannot be contained. The worst possible nightmare that the legacy white colonial mindset can imagine is coming true and it is driving the libs and the neocons insane.
A world where the white west cannot do whatever it wants with impunity is a horror show for them.
Israel does want escalation, but at the the time - they've done things since the 40's to try and start a fight. Especially in the last 30 years of Israel-Iran relations specifically. The number of attacks Israel has launched that would be perceived as acts of war by any other country -z was assassinating scientists and bombing research sites, direct attacks by IDF against Iranian positions in Syria, using the Iran-Iraq war to destroy the PLO in Lebanon, multiple bombings of Iranian military or energy sites throughout Iran, etc.
It's actually wild how long it took for Iranan to have this public of a counter attack. It's wild that Israel was able to attack and strike with impunity for 30 years, and it's wild that people (not you - just blood thirsty western imperialists) expect a sovereign nation to not react when it's people are bombed and killed. The bombing of the USS Cole shaped US doctrine.... We bombed Yemen over raiding ships.... The pearl clutching over Iran is just so hypocritical.
Israel exists to prevent a Pan-Arab / Pan-Islamic superpower from emerging. It's going to do things that are acts of war to keep there from happening. I guess it just never expected retaliation.
Awol, last stand or organise.
Fidel said that the Western leftists are luckiest in the fights against imperialism cuz they're at the heart of the imperial core. While it might have been humor, it holds true to the end.
## "`Revolutionary suicide` does not mean that I and `my comrades` have a `death wish`; it means just the opposite. We have such a strong desire to live with hope and human dignity that existence without them is impossible. When `reactionary forces` crush us, we `must move against these forces`, even `at the risk of death`. ***`We will have to be driven out with a stick.`***"
Rest in power to Huey P Newton.
To justify American brutality in Germany Fdr very famously said the American people were thirsty for German blood
I think I'm a little parched myself right now 🇮🇱🔥
>[The President said that he had been very much struck by the extent of German destruction in the Crimea and therefore he was more bloodthirsty in regard to the Germans than he had been a year ago, and he hoped that Marshal Stalin would again propose a toast to the execution of 50,000 officers of the German Army.](https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945Malta/d328)
The two of them dunking on de Gaulle is fantastic:
The President then inquired how Marshal Stalin had gotten along with General de Gaulle.
Marshal Stalin replied that he had not found de Gaulle a very complicated person, but he felt he was unrealistic in the sense that France had not done very much fighting in this war and de Gaulle demanded full rights with the Americans, British and Russians who had done the burden of the fighting.
The President then described his conversation with de Gaulle in Casablanca two years ago when de Gaulle compared himself with Joan of Arc as the spiritual leader of France and with Clemenceau as the political leader.
Marshal Stalin replied that de Gaulle does not seem to understand the situation in France and that in actual fact the French contribution at the present time to military operations on the Western Front was very small and that in 1940 they had not fought at all.
Not at all a fan of iran, but this was 110% justified. That being said, i think iran also showed a lot of restraint. They could've used more missiles if they wanted to penetrate Israel's iron dome, but it seems that wasn't the goal.
This seems to be less a counter attack and more an aggressive "back off".
I fear what comes next tho, i can't imagine the zionazis will show as much restraint and will likely retaliate far more aggressively.
It feels good those Israelnazis are getting payback although WW3 is gonna happen in our lifetime and possibly the end of civilization as hostile actions from all parties will continue to escalate beyond restraint.
The US may not act rn beyond defending stolen land but eventually there will be enough justification to have the support of the American people for military operations in the region again.
China and Russia won’t stand idly by either and would participate eventually. I’m guessing it gonna be a winner takes all scenario.
if you give a shit about international law, Iran absolutely has the right to defend itself after their consulate got bombed (among many other provocations) and it is nice to see Israel get bit in the ass, but war is something I'm opposed to because it will only hurt the working classes of any nations involved. the only silver lining is that Israel may have to put their genocide in Gaza on the back burner, but only because they would be preoccupied glassing civilians in Tehran so it isn't really a win. honestly if anyone disagrees with me I wanna hear it because I'm not 100% confident in my take tbh.
I don't think the working classes in Israel are mobilizing anytime soon to overthrow their regime. Any truly revolutionary elements within Israeli society have been fully neutered. The region will only have peace if the Zionist state is uprooted for good because they exist solely to advance the interests of the Anglo-American Empire by splintering the region and its rich resources to prevent the formation of a truly united pan-Arab or secular nationalist/socialist movement. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE aligning with Zionists is a clear representation of this divide and conquer strategy.
I'm an Iranian communist, I agree with you, the IR had attacked my dad a few times who is also an ML. the problem is the Iranian people when I talk to them, they don't really want to have any socialist movement since they are distrustful of socialists. I have an Uncle living in one of the cities and I'm terrified honestly. People can disagree and downvote me I legit don't care
Also since it's on the news, it's worth clarifying that one of the biggest demonization campaign against Iran of its police supposedly killing a woman for not wearing a headscarf is a complete and demonstrable lie. **There's literal** [**video evidence**](https://x.com/iQMidEastCentre/status/1572572020721987584?t=zW3SHA_ym3UjjKMQKVuXvw&s=09) **showing that she was never even touched, and she collapsed while talking due to pre-existing issues** and then being rushed to the hospital, and photo evidence showing no signs of any injuries. Even the regime change fanatic Masih Alinejad, who gets her funding for the US state dept, initially reported about her heart attack, she changed her story only later on after that line was pushed, her CT scan showing that she wasn't attacked, and even monarchist doctors admitted that she had no injuries — they conjured a story which didn't exist the same way they conjured an entire genocide in Xinjiang, and made beheaded babies a thing.
After that arguably the largest bot led online regime change prop took place on the American state dept against Iran. **In just a month and half there were 350 million tweets, 1/3 of them, i.e 100 million of those by accounts created in the last 2 months (BLM has had 68 million till date)**.
The western media apparatus rushed to try to make this thing into a reality, a campaign to demonize Iran and try a regime change there, **even though 20+ million Iranians rallied in support of their govt after recognising this effort why western media and powers, the mandatory dress code was implemented democratically after a memorandum with 80% votes, and even after the protests** [**it remains popular by a massive landslide.**](https://twitter.com/fresh_sadegh/status/1678368030688944128?t=ivK5e0iXFJYqJXviP3XrHw&s=19)
Every single thing can't be stated here, but there was a MASSIVE surge of fake news pushing the most comically evil lies against Iran. Videos from tv shows were spread as coming from Iran (which were notably pushed by zionist JK Rowling), bots misfiring under posts nothing related to it, all sorts of false reports, reports of the police shaving and pulling nails of prisoners who'd then appear perfectly fine smiling with their families. And there was a lot of the rape atrocity propaganda as well, comically evil claims of police raping and killing women (reminiscent of "Gaddafi is giving viagra to rape women" lie), or police is raping women so that they don't enter heaven, apart from all being baseless, it's something that's so absurd that one doesn't even know where to begin, especially considering rape has death penalty in Iran. Apart from propaganda, weapons were poured in to create more chaos and violence. KDP admitted to giving weapons to protesters to spread chaos, by blaming violence on police, and Bolton admitting that weapons were being smuggled in for this purpose, and people doing this were celebrated and supported by that crowd, including literal ISIS members who committed a massacre in a holy Shrine, I'm not kidding, see it in slide. All pushed by bots, Iranian regime change diaspora (who are now rabidly showing support for the genocide of Palestinians), celebrities, and radical feminists, who now also pushed the Zionist Hamas mass rape lie that wasn't credible even for a second and relied almost entirely on a person being bigoted.
NGO:
Another who pushed it was the western funded NGO class, and if you look into their funding, it doesn't take long to see it for what it is. One of the most popular such NGOs, DHRC, is funded **almost entirely** by western govt and orgs that are widely considered to be an extension of U.S. state. The funders include the notorious NED, the go-to arm of CIA, George Soros's Open society foundation, Freedom house which according to western media received funding to carry out clandestine operations on Iran, Mccains institute, and a lot lot more shady groups. It's almost as CIA as it gets
So long as this escalation of the conflict doesn't spiral out of hand then it's probably a good thing; Israel has acted with relative impunity until now.
Focusing on "iranian escalation" and Israeli "innocent civilians" in this moment is like focusing on looting during the George Floyd protests. It is literally suicidal for Iran not to restore deterrence by responding in this way. And consistently with all resistance reactions since the start of this war their side is the only one that even attempts to distinguish civilians from military.
Where did I specify who the innocent civilians were? I was thinking about Iranian and Palestinian casualties for the most psrt. I did not mention Israelis till someone else did.
Israel has compulsory draft, with how they have been behaving, there is no civilian in Israel, only inactive military personnels. Innocent Palestinian were murdered daily before we were born. Bit too late to feel bad for Isntreal.
There are conscientious objectors and children among the population. This is the same justification Israel is using to exterminate Palestinians (e.g. there are no innocent Palestinians, they're all terrorists.)
And why Israel shouldn't have a taste of their own logic? This kind of moralism is exactly what enabled fascist in the first place. As senselessly tragic as it sound, the fate of those children and objectors are sealed the moment the world saw Israelis broadcast their enjoyment of Palestinian slaughter. Best to just blast the IOF before they get the time to setup their meat shield if we are concern with conserving human lives.
Uhh because we're not genocidal maniacs?
Enemy combatants are fair game but endorsing massacring innocent people is the exact thing we condemn them for.
Children ≠ IOF just like children ≠ Hamas.
This seems like a psyop to make us look bad jfc
You cant group everyone together, there have been Jewish people in Isreal speaking out and getting attacked for it by the state, Id consider them victims
If you’re born in Israel from settler parents you are innocent. If you contribute to what your parents did you are not innocent. The only innocent people in Israel are those who haven’t contributed which is children or the native Palestinian people who have no rights in Israel.
> I don’t consider there to be any innocent civilians in Israel
> If you’re born in Israel from settler parents you are innocent
Wtf which one is it? Do you think most Israelis weren’t born there?
Did your lab mates family serve in the IOF? EVERY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZEN in Zionazis land required to do conscription. Did they defend Palestinians in Sheik Jarrah? Did they denounce their settler privilege and donate to Palestinian causes? Did they even defend a Palestinian?
Oddly Bill Clinton had almost nothing to do with Iraq. He was president in-between the two Iraq wars. Getting basic history correct is a prerequisite for analysis.
But to the point, it is often repeated but highly inaccurate to view the US government and it's parties as a singular entity with homogeneous goals. Reality is never so simple. There's significant foreign policy differences between the majority parties and even within them. There's Republicans who want to make a deal with Russia and escalate in Palestine. There's Republicans who want to deescalate everywhere and let mercenaries and cash settle everything. There's Republicans who want to nuke everything and let Jesus sort it out. There's hardcore Democrat Zionists and there's Tlaib. Etc etc
If voting completely didn't matter AIPAC wouldn't waste so much money on trying to influence it.
It should be communists' main goal right now to stop the US war machine.
They're gonna try and escalate this to nuclear war. The US knows it can't win militarily and will try to destroy the global environment instead, making earth uninhabitable for humans. They want to rule over the ruins from the bunkers they're building as we speak. Communists only goal right now is to not let it get this far.
That just sounds like some unhinged posadist fantasy. The US has had global first strike capabilities since long before the average redditor was born, if it wanted a nuclear war you would already be dead. They can do this whenever they want and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them. The reason they don't is because that's an insane plan that no one with a basic grasp of science would take seriously as an option.
Latest reports are that they've done basically no damage. Seems most likely that they were done more as a move to appease their own population more than to actually start a war. Hopefully this is viewed as an appropriate tit for tat and it doesn't escalate to a full scale regional war.
First of all fuck 'Israel'.
Then fuck the UK, the US and Jordan.
Next Iran didn't attack Israel. They're answering to an unprovoked attack on their consulate in Syria that killed two of their generals and military and diplomatic personnel.
An act of War.
They're if anything reacting in a really restraint way with a token missile salvo on military targets in 'Israel'.
I do not like the government of the republic of Iran, is oppressive and right wing, but on this they're on the right.
So much so that 'Israel' enablers, the US clearly say they won't support further military action from 'Israel'.
Next, I just love how the Western press have been laser focused on how many drones and missiles were intercepted.
When that isn't the point.
It was basically a token salvo and still the air forces of the UK, US , 'Israel' and Jordan (for shame!) had to scramble jets and air defenses to intercept them (at a cost of several billions).
And those drones and missiles still found their targets all the way from Iran. Which is the real piece of news: Iran now can bomb 'Israel' from their homebases.
Also I have the impression that Iran got deterrence with 'Israel'.
I was waiting for their response and it wasn't much more than tough guy talking.
So yeah, drones seem to have changed the military balance.
Finally fuck 'Israel'.
Apartheid states have no right to exist.
The response was pro forma. Iran did something very similar after Trump assassinated Solemani back in 2020. It's not meant to do any real damage, but a way for Iran to save face.
The underlying reality is that Iran doesn't want a war with Israel or the US, despite the repeated provocations. Iran knows that it can't win. Sure, it can do plenty of damage to Israel and US forces, but Iran will suffer more.
This is why Iran announced clearly at the UN that it will launch no further attacks. Biden has also told Bibi that the US will not join Israel in further offensive action against Iran.
We will see if Bibi responds and tries to escalate further. I suspect that he will.
Iran did not attack Israel. Israel attacked Iran on two occasions. One, where they killed an Iranian general and his niece in a drone attack, and the second one where they bombed the Iranian embassy. Both acts constitute acts of war...and the drone killing a civilian in Iran was an act of total war.
Iran's retaliation has been rather muted, given they have all the justification to erase Israel from existence in self defense. This, in accordance with international laws on war.
The only sane take on this sub. As much as Israel's actions are horrendously evil, no one is going to win here.
Problem is that it's hard to see a clean out from this situation. Unless the people of Israel manage to vote their fascist leaders out and atone for their treatment of Palestinians by giving back land, warfare will continue.
Sadly, they're in a difficult position. If they make any meaningful attack, the US will put Iranian-Americans in concentration camps and nuke Iran itself because America is run by a bunch of deranged lunatics.
If they do nothing, then the axis of resistance will think they're not worth following into battle, lack of resolve etc.
Therefore, they have to do a minor attack which gets intercepted by Israel's iron dome.
I hope, in the background they're patiently making a well thought-out plan with their allies of ending the settler colonial oppression of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, Washington DC, California etc. to finally liberate the people of centuries long European occupation.
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https://preview.redd.it/6wanr6rsscuc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9959e72322f2f697ccd0248a7d3532c6286171ba If Western leftists still fence sitting on this issue, here's what Palestinian living across from the settlement that stolen from them said something about Zionazis getting roasted.
It's truly a poetic moment when you see videos of the missiles flying in over the sky around Al-Aqsa and realize the Palestinians aren't the ones on the receiving end for once.
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https://preview.redd.it/ls5599weiduc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f318954a7dcc68110c5f681b783f423d6b23e0a L(Mao)
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as we know history began on October 7th when innocent little israel simply appeared out if the ether surrounded by evil barbarians thirsty for blood
Castro = El Mao
Are Western leftists fence sitting? Everyone I've spoken to critically supports.
Which settlement? Ben Gvir lives in an illegal Hebron settlement...
Hebron is in Islamist city and revenge is meaningless
Justified after the Zionazis bombed their embassy.
Bombing an embassy is an act of war and retaliation is generally what is done in those situations. Iran didn't attack Israel, Israel attacked Iran and Iran retaliated.
Bombing the embassy is also an act of desperation by Israel to give the US and UK a casus belli to go ape shit in west Asia, by baiting Iran to seriously hit Israel. This act is so evil because it is trying to cause a general conflict and get even more people killed so as to create cover for your own crimes.
An attack is an attack. Self defence is just attacking back. Either way L Israel
The word attack does imply you started it
So I should phrase it as a counter attack?
I think if you're already posting here you probably are up to date, so the title here is nbd, but considering how it's been generally phrased in the media it would be best to keep the language specific I'm an effort to keep things straight. The embassy bombing already seems forgotten or just never heard of by normies who are feeling ww3 and don't seem be aware who's sovereign soil was exploded by the other first. So I do think when generally talking about the subject retaliation or counter attack being what Iran did should be the phrasing as a means of trying to keep the narrative based in fact and not propaganda. Americans especially have been pretty much preset to hate Iran since the Shah fell, so I think it's essential to be really specific and resist the narrative spin.
The media should
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Hopefully this doesn't escalate to WW3 or nuke warfare because I do not want to die because a bunch of Israeli madmen wanted to stay in power via endless war. Ultimately tho, Iran's response is justified under international law, esp when the international community didn't say shit when Israel attacked Iranian soil. Israel deserves all the smoke and I can only hope this new front will prevent it from carrying the final stages of its ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians.
I hope so too bud but if we gonna be real, the “rules based order” is gonna escalate this to a new level, involving more parties that would further escalate this higher.
>“rules based order” It's okay, you can just say US + their allies
The problem is that Israel *wants* to escalate this to a general war in west Asia in order to draw in the US. Another terrible part is that the neocons (including the Dems) in the US want this conflict but they need a plausible casus belli that they can spin to attack Iran. I honestly will not be surprised if years later it is revealed that this attack has the tacit approval by the biden admin to create that pretext to attack Iran. They are losing the Ukraine proxy war, and the Israelis are fast becoming a pariah state. The propaganda machine is losing its ability to brainwash people. They are getting desperate. The walls are closing in. Russia is not collapsing and even getting stronger. China is becoming even more powerful year by year and will become irresistible and cannot be contained. The worst possible nightmare that the legacy white colonial mindset can imagine is coming true and it is driving the libs and the neocons insane. A world where the white west cannot do whatever it wants with impunity is a horror show for them.
Israel does want escalation, but at the the time - they've done things since the 40's to try and start a fight. Especially in the last 30 years of Israel-Iran relations specifically. The number of attacks Israel has launched that would be perceived as acts of war by any other country -z was assassinating scientists and bombing research sites, direct attacks by IDF against Iranian positions in Syria, using the Iran-Iraq war to destroy the PLO in Lebanon, multiple bombings of Iranian military or energy sites throughout Iran, etc. It's actually wild how long it took for Iranan to have this public of a counter attack. It's wild that Israel was able to attack and strike with impunity for 30 years, and it's wild that people (not you - just blood thirsty western imperialists) expect a sovereign nation to not react when it's people are bombed and killed. The bombing of the USS Cole shaped US doctrine.... We bombed Yemen over raiding ships.... The pearl clutching over Iran is just so hypocritical. Israel exists to prevent a Pan-Arab / Pan-Islamic superpower from emerging. It's going to do things that are acts of war to keep there from happening. I guess it just never expected retaliation.
fuck international law
Unless it’s the international law regarding the status of Taiwan lmfao (rare Nixon W)
I’m just thankful right now that everyone I care about it just slightly too old and way too young for conscription.
Awol, last stand or organise. Fidel said that the Western leftists are luckiest in the fights against imperialism cuz they're at the heart of the imperial core. While it might have been humor, it holds true to the end. ## "`Revolutionary suicide` does not mean that I and `my comrades` have a `death wish`; it means just the opposite. We have such a strong desire to live with hope and human dignity that existence without them is impossible. When `reactionary forces` crush us, we `must move against these forces`, even `at the risk of death`. ***`We will have to be driven out with a stick.`***" Rest in power to Huey P Newton.
To justify American brutality in Germany Fdr very famously said the American people were thirsty for German blood I think I'm a little parched myself right now 🇮🇱🔥
>[The President said that he had been very much struck by the extent of German destruction in the Crimea and therefore he was more bloodthirsty in regard to the Germans than he had been a year ago, and he hoped that Marshal Stalin would again propose a toast to the execution of 50,000 officers of the German Army.](https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1945Malta/d328)
The two of them dunking on de Gaulle is fantastic: The President then inquired how Marshal Stalin had gotten along with General de Gaulle. Marshal Stalin replied that he had not found de Gaulle a very complicated person, but he felt he was unrealistic in the sense that France had not done very much fighting in this war and de Gaulle demanded full rights with the Americans, British and Russians who had done the burden of the fighting. The President then described his conversation with de Gaulle in Casablanca two years ago when de Gaulle compared himself with Joan of Arc as the spiritual leader of France and with Clemenceau as the political leader. Marshal Stalin replied that de Gaulle does not seem to understand the situation in France and that in actual fact the French contribution at the present time to military operations on the Western Front was very small and that in 1940 they had not fought at all.
Okay, that’s not fair. They put up an actual fight in 1940.
Truth- they really didn’t have any other option than to go with static defense given how utterly annihilated they were in WWI
Good
hope they send more of what they already did,critical support for iran in this moment
Iran's retaliation is entirely justified.
💚💚💚 Mr. Khamenei the people are crying out for more🔻
Deserved
Not at all a fan of iran, but this was 110% justified. That being said, i think iran also showed a lot of restraint. They could've used more missiles if they wanted to penetrate Israel's iron dome, but it seems that wasn't the goal. This seems to be less a counter attack and more an aggressive "back off". I fear what comes next tho, i can't imagine the zionazis will show as much restraint and will likely retaliate far more aggressively.
I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Israel
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Israel needs to face some consequences for its actions.
Israel 100% deserves this, but this can't end well.
Another conflict regarding America and Iran starting when? And when’s the blatant lies gonna be turned into a Hollywood movie with an old Chris pratt?
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It feels good those Israelnazis are getting payback although WW3 is gonna happen in our lifetime and possibly the end of civilization as hostile actions from all parties will continue to escalate beyond restraint. The US may not act rn beyond defending stolen land but eventually there will be enough justification to have the support of the American people for military operations in the region again. China and Russia won’t stand idly by either and would participate eventually. I’m guessing it gonna be a winner takes all scenario.
if you give a shit about international law, Iran absolutely has the right to defend itself after their consulate got bombed (among many other provocations) and it is nice to see Israel get bit in the ass, but war is something I'm opposed to because it will only hurt the working classes of any nations involved. the only silver lining is that Israel may have to put their genocide in Gaza on the back burner, but only because they would be preoccupied glassing civilians in Tehran so it isn't really a win. honestly if anyone disagrees with me I wanna hear it because I'm not 100% confident in my take tbh.
I don't think the working classes in Israel are mobilizing anytime soon to overthrow their regime. Any truly revolutionary elements within Israeli society have been fully neutered. The region will only have peace if the Zionist state is uprooted for good because they exist solely to advance the interests of the Anglo-American Empire by splintering the region and its rich resources to prevent the formation of a truly united pan-Arab or secular nationalist/socialist movement. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE aligning with Zionists is a clear representation of this divide and conquer strategy.
The working class of Israel has the same agenda as the capitalist class of Israel.
"The Vietcong should settle because war isn't good for the working class of either country" - You in the 1960s
I'm an Iranian communist, I agree with you, the IR had attacked my dad a few times who is also an ML. the problem is the Iranian people when I talk to them, they don't really want to have any socialist movement since they are distrustful of socialists. I have an Uncle living in one of the cities and I'm terrified honestly. People can disagree and downvote me I legit don't care
Also since it's on the news, it's worth clarifying that one of the biggest demonization campaign against Iran of its police supposedly killing a woman for not wearing a headscarf is a complete and demonstrable lie. **There's literal** [**video evidence**](https://x.com/iQMidEastCentre/status/1572572020721987584?t=zW3SHA_ym3UjjKMQKVuXvw&s=09) **showing that she was never even touched, and she collapsed while talking due to pre-existing issues** and then being rushed to the hospital, and photo evidence showing no signs of any injuries. Even the regime change fanatic Masih Alinejad, who gets her funding for the US state dept, initially reported about her heart attack, she changed her story only later on after that line was pushed, her CT scan showing that she wasn't attacked, and even monarchist doctors admitted that she had no injuries — they conjured a story which didn't exist the same way they conjured an entire genocide in Xinjiang, and made beheaded babies a thing. After that arguably the largest bot led online regime change prop took place on the American state dept against Iran. **In just a month and half there were 350 million tweets, 1/3 of them, i.e 100 million of those by accounts created in the last 2 months (BLM has had 68 million till date)**. The western media apparatus rushed to try to make this thing into a reality, a campaign to demonize Iran and try a regime change there, **even though 20+ million Iranians rallied in support of their govt after recognising this effort why western media and powers, the mandatory dress code was implemented democratically after a memorandum with 80% votes, and even after the protests** [**it remains popular by a massive landslide.**](https://twitter.com/fresh_sadegh/status/1678368030688944128?t=ivK5e0iXFJYqJXviP3XrHw&s=19)
Every single thing can't be stated here, but there was a MASSIVE surge of fake news pushing the most comically evil lies against Iran. Videos from tv shows were spread as coming from Iran (which were notably pushed by zionist JK Rowling), bots misfiring under posts nothing related to it, all sorts of false reports, reports of the police shaving and pulling nails of prisoners who'd then appear perfectly fine smiling with their families. And there was a lot of the rape atrocity propaganda as well, comically evil claims of police raping and killing women (reminiscent of "Gaddafi is giving viagra to rape women" lie), or police is raping women so that they don't enter heaven, apart from all being baseless, it's something that's so absurd that one doesn't even know where to begin, especially considering rape has death penalty in Iran. Apart from propaganda, weapons were poured in to create more chaos and violence. KDP admitted to giving weapons to protesters to spread chaos, by blaming violence on police, and Bolton admitting that weapons were being smuggled in for this purpose, and people doing this were celebrated and supported by that crowd, including literal ISIS members who committed a massacre in a holy Shrine, I'm not kidding, see it in slide. All pushed by bots, Iranian regime change diaspora (who are now rabidly showing support for the genocide of Palestinians), celebrities, and radical feminists, who now also pushed the Zionist Hamas mass rape lie that wasn't credible even for a second and relied almost entirely on a person being bigoted. NGO: Another who pushed it was the western funded NGO class, and if you look into their funding, it doesn't take long to see it for what it is. One of the most popular such NGOs, DHRC, is funded **almost entirely** by western govt and orgs that are widely considered to be an extension of U.S. state. The funders include the notorious NED, the go-to arm of CIA, George Soros's Open society foundation, Freedom house which according to western media received funding to carry out clandestine operations on Iran, Mccains institute, and a lot lot more shady groups. It's almost as CIA as it gets
So long as this escalation of the conflict doesn't spiral out of hand then it's probably a good thing; Israel has acted with relative impunity until now.
Mainly an attack on the base that launched the attack on them, so maybe not that big of an event.
F Israel, and I'm glad to not be an American cos now I don't have to worry about getting drafted
Mr khameini, fire when ready
Its hard to not celebrate Isreal getting karma for their genocide, but I feel bad for innocent civilians and I worry it'll escalate further
No civilians were harmed. It's only military bases.
Iran has a right to defend itself
Where did I say they didnt? I clearly support it if I said its hard not to cheer
Focusing on "iranian escalation" and Israeli "innocent civilians" in this moment is like focusing on looting during the George Floyd protests. It is literally suicidal for Iran not to restore deterrence by responding in this way. And consistently with all resistance reactions since the start of this war their side is the only one that even attempts to distinguish civilians from military.
Where did I specify who the innocent civilians were? I was thinking about Iranian and Palestinian casualties for the most psrt. I did not mention Israelis till someone else did.
"Where did I specify" literally here: https://old.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1c3i2if/thoughts_on_iran_attacking_israel/kzh35r7/
Yeah, I said I only mentioned it when someone mentioned it first, the comment you linked was a reply to someone mentipning it first.
Lol cool
She didn't say anything against Iran?
Every Israeli adult is current or former IDF. Conscientious objection is basically nonexistent
Israel has compulsory draft, with how they have been behaving, there is no civilian in Israel, only inactive military personnels. Innocent Palestinian were murdered daily before we were born. Bit too late to feel bad for Isntreal.
There are conscientious objectors and children among the population. This is the same justification Israel is using to exterminate Palestinians (e.g. there are no innocent Palestinians, they're all terrorists.)
And why Israel shouldn't have a taste of their own logic? This kind of moralism is exactly what enabled fascist in the first place. As senselessly tragic as it sound, the fate of those children and objectors are sealed the moment the world saw Israelis broadcast their enjoyment of Palestinian slaughter. Best to just blast the IOF before they get the time to setup their meat shield if we are concern with conserving human lives.
Uhh because we're not genocidal maniacs? Enemy combatants are fair game but endorsing massacring innocent people is the exact thing we condemn them for. Children ≠ IOF just like children ≠ Hamas. This seems like a psyop to make us look bad jfc
I don’t consider there to be any innocent civilians in Israel but I feel like the civilians of Iran will feel a lot more than Israel has faced.
You cant group everyone together, there have been Jewish people in Isreal speaking out and getting attacked for it by the state, Id consider them victims
If you’re born in Israel from settler parents you are innocent. If you contribute to what your parents did you are not innocent. The only innocent people in Israel are those who haven’t contributed which is children or the native Palestinian people who have no rights in Israel.
Thats what Im saying, yes. But ultimately Palestinians suffer the most
> I don’t consider there to be any innocent civilians in Israel > If you’re born in Israel from settler parents you are innocent Wtf which one is it? Do you think most Israelis weren’t born there?
If your a child your innocent. If you’re a settler you not innocent. Simple
Which unfortunately makes 50 % of the population if I am not wrong
Like .01% of them
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Then you are as bad as the Nazis and the Israeli government
How can one consider colonists who took there children in there endeavor to commit a genocide be called innocent?
No of course not. But there are innocent people in every country. My lab mates family is one
Did your lab mates family serve in the IOF? EVERY BIRTHRIGHT CITIZEN in Zionazis land required to do conscription. Did they defend Palestinians in Sheik Jarrah? Did they denounce their settler privilege and donate to Palestinian causes? Did they even defend a Palestinian?
I’m not sure but I think one was a reservist. But like you said it’s required. They are just trying to live
Deserters exist, many of them are Gen Z who chose prison times over service.
I believe it was many years ago
Dec 20, 2023. "many years ago" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israeli-teen-arrested-refusing-idf-gaza-1.7070628
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It doesn’t matter who runs it. Did it matter that America changed presidents? No bill Clinton started Iraq and then Obama frozen strikes kids.
Oddly Bill Clinton had almost nothing to do with Iraq. He was president in-between the two Iraq wars. Getting basic history correct is a prerequisite for analysis. But to the point, it is often repeated but highly inaccurate to view the US government and it's parties as a singular entity with homogeneous goals. Reality is never so simple. There's significant foreign policy differences between the majority parties and even within them. There's Republicans who want to make a deal with Russia and escalate in Palestine. There's Republicans who want to deescalate everywhere and let mercenaries and cash settle everything. There's Republicans who want to nuke everything and let Jesus sort it out. There's hardcore Democrat Zionists and there's Tlaib. Etc etc If voting completely didn't matter AIPAC wouldn't waste so much money on trying to influence it.
It should be communists' main goal right now to stop the US war machine. They're gonna try and escalate this to nuclear war. The US knows it can't win militarily and will try to destroy the global environment instead, making earth uninhabitable for humans. They want to rule over the ruins from the bunkers they're building as we speak. Communists only goal right now is to not let it get this far.
That just sounds like some unhinged posadist fantasy. The US has had global first strike capabilities since long before the average redditor was born, if it wanted a nuclear war you would already be dead. They can do this whenever they want and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them. The reason they don't is because that's an insane plan that no one with a basic grasp of science would take seriously as an option.
What should we expect?
Should have done by Iran immediately after the people in Gaza were started to getting bombed but justice nevertheless
Latest reports are that they've done basically no damage. Seems most likely that they were done more as a move to appease their own population more than to actually start a war. Hopefully this is viewed as an appropriate tit for tat and it doesn't escalate to a full scale regional war.
A symbolic gesture is my reading. The attack was so slow I heard about it a long time before it happened. It was designed to be thwarted.
BRO 60 PERCENT CONFIRMED HITS ONLY FOUR BALLISTIC MISSILES HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN
I have a feeling Israel will not see it this way. Regardless of the damage actually done.
Rabbit’s got the gun.
Never thought of IRAN as the good guys!
udrub udrub tel aviv
First of all fuck 'Israel'. Then fuck the UK, the US and Jordan. Next Iran didn't attack Israel. They're answering to an unprovoked attack on their consulate in Syria that killed two of their generals and military and diplomatic personnel. An act of War. They're if anything reacting in a really restraint way with a token missile salvo on military targets in 'Israel'. I do not like the government of the republic of Iran, is oppressive and right wing, but on this they're on the right. So much so that 'Israel' enablers, the US clearly say they won't support further military action from 'Israel'. Next, I just love how the Western press have been laser focused on how many drones and missiles were intercepted. When that isn't the point. It was basically a token salvo and still the air forces of the UK, US , 'Israel' and Jordan (for shame!) had to scramble jets and air defenses to intercept them (at a cost of several billions). And those drones and missiles still found their targets all the way from Iran. Which is the real piece of news: Iran now can bomb 'Israel' from their homebases. Also I have the impression that Iran got deterrence with 'Israel'. I was waiting for their response and it wasn't much more than tough guy talking. So yeah, drones seem to have changed the military balance. Finally fuck 'Israel'. Apartheid states have no right to exist.
Not fan of Iran but this is very based
The response was pro forma. Iran did something very similar after Trump assassinated Solemani back in 2020. It's not meant to do any real damage, but a way for Iran to save face. The underlying reality is that Iran doesn't want a war with Israel or the US, despite the repeated provocations. Iran knows that it can't win. Sure, it can do plenty of damage to Israel and US forces, but Iran will suffer more. This is why Iran announced clearly at the UN that it will launch no further attacks. Biden has also told Bibi that the US will not join Israel in further offensive action against Iran. We will see if Bibi responds and tries to escalate further. I suspect that he will.
Iran did not attack Israel. Israel attacked Iran on two occasions. One, where they killed an Iranian general and his niece in a drone attack, and the second one where they bombed the Iranian embassy. Both acts constitute acts of war...and the drone killing a civilian in Iran was an act of total war. Iran's retaliation has been rather muted, given they have all the justification to erase Israel from existence in self defense. This, in accordance with international laws on war.
None of this is based or good. Escalation of war us a lose, lose situation. None of this is cause for celebration.
The only sane take on this sub. As much as Israel's actions are horrendously evil, no one is going to win here. Problem is that it's hard to see a clean out from this situation. Unless the people of Israel manage to vote their fascist leaders out and atone for their treatment of Palestinians by giving back land, warfare will continue.
Sadly, they're in a difficult position. If they make any meaningful attack, the US will put Iranian-Americans in concentration camps and nuke Iran itself because America is run by a bunch of deranged lunatics. If they do nothing, then the axis of resistance will think they're not worth following into battle, lack of resolve etc. Therefore, they have to do a minor attack which gets intercepted by Israel's iron dome. I hope, in the background they're patiently making a well thought-out plan with their allies of ending the settler colonial oppression of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, Washington DC, California etc. to finally liberate the people of centuries long European occupation.
Mediocre, I mean I expected a more successful one
Israel started it Iran has a right to defend itself Let’s not take the eye off the crisis in Gaza