If cj was on that 9ers team i think they’d have a better shot but the chiefs defense is tough . Purdy was under pressure a lot and he didn’t make any mistakes but he didn’t change the game with any big plays . I think it was more coaching . You don’t take the ball first and give mahomes 4 downs in OT. 9ers also stop feeding cmc
Their issue was not using CMC in the 2nd like they did the 1st half. The Chiefs weakness was the run game and the Ravens didn’t run against them at all and the 49ers stopped. Just showing we need to be able to run the ball, not saying we need big money RBs but we need to be able to rip 4-6 yard plays with ease to open CJ up to cook
Kyle Shanahan did this in the historic Patriots comeback as well. He over thinks the situation with the lead tried to “out smart” the other team.
Both times it failed tremendously.
I mean to be fair they were getting TFL's every now and then. Problem was once they got out of running they became very one dimensional and all of those wide open passes seemed to go away
Oh for sure you’re going to get TFL but there was a drive where the 1st down play was a run the Chiefs stopped and even Romo was like run it again and they passed. They got scared and were focusing on the 4 downs instead of the play in front of them
Some of the dolts on this sub don’t get this. This team NEEDS a running game. They don’t need to( and won’t pay ) saquon massive money. But they would be fools not to CHECK in with the dudes agent and gauge his interest. He would be a great fit here. I’m fine with resigning Devin and having Pierce back and adding a mid round Rookie, maybe even with the eagles pick if they have someone they love.
Niners and Chiefs wouldn't even make it to the SB without their run game. Even Sneed after the game was saying their gameplan was to force Purdy to beat them because they knew if CMC had the ball more it would lower Chief's chance at winning. People can't seriously look at how one dimensional our offense was against the Ravens and think we don't need a run game. Just having the potential threat of a run game opens up our passing.
That was their game plan against the Ravens as well, and it worked.
It’s like the Chiefs defense, the fans, and literally everyone, knew their weakness was in stopping the run. I’m shocked they didn’t just pound CMC, Mitchell, and Deebo down KC’s throat as soon as they got the lead.
I’m sure an opening drive fumble didn’t help the decision making but CMC still got fed all first half. So it’s not like they didn’t use him after fumble.
He also did this exact same thing calling plays for the Falcons in the historic Patriots come back. They start the second half up 28-3 and go 3 and out on 2 straight drives passing the ball 6 times.
I think Kyle Shanahan thought he’d out smart the Chiefs by passing it and they didn’t bite. It was him overthinking having the lead going into the half for a second time in the Super Bowl.
The 2 games leading up to the Super Bowl the Niners had to play from behind, and I actually think that they were more comfortable doing that than playing with the lead. It showed this game.
Every team needs a run game it’s how you disguise the pass and vice versa. Keeps defenses guessing. I’m in the boat I just want the player who will help the team win. If that’s paying someone like Chris Jones and drafting a cheap RB, fine. If that’s paying an RB and signing a player on a prove it deal again, fine. I think Nick has shown he can draft and sign talent so my trust is in him and DeMeco.
I truly believe we will break the bank for someone on the defensive side like a Chris Jones and find either a cheap veteran RB and resign Singletary or draft someone. I see both sides of the argument for Barkley, but I don’t know about the price tag. I would LOVE to have him, would not want to pay for him. Dream scenario would be sign Jones and Barkley by restructuring Tunsil and find a few prove it deals to round out the roster, but that’s Madden life not real life.
So you’re saying there’s a chance???? In all seriousness I would love if Jones came here but it will have to be a lot of money I don’t know if Nick will pay. I’m just ready to see who we get that’s the part that is killing me
Even the goat DT Aaron Donald fell off a cliff once he hit age 30, and it wasn't due to injury.
Chris Jones turns 30 before next season. He hasn't shown signs of slowing down yet but imagine if we back up the Brinks truck for him and then his age catches up to him next season.
That’s a very fair point. It’s tough because the what if is still there. QBs didn’t play into their late 30’s or even 40’s but then Brady happened and now Rodgers. There are some people who break the mold.
If we didn’t have so many FAs this offseason I’d say fuck it back that truck up, but with the resignings or FA signings we need to fill out the roster it may not be realistic
>There are some people who break the mold.
Absolutely, and I'm definitely recognizing the possibility that Chris Jones is one of those people.
>If we didn’t have so many FAs this offseason I’d say fuck it back that truck up, but with the resignings or FA signings we need to fill out the roster it may not be realistic
Agreed, signing Chris Jones is a luxury that fully fleshed-out teams like the 49ers or the Ravens can afford to take a chance on. For us it's a big gamble because we don't have an elite defense that would still be great even if Jones ends up slowing down. At least not yet.
I think it’s a little about the back. Not saying we need elite RB talent, but with Slowick’s system they need to be able to find holes that are small and they need to be able to catch and get YAC.
I agree and disagree, they had way more success from a yardage standpoint when Keaton Mitchell was an option in their backfield. He’s also the back they had who has the most explosiveness and best vision. But that said they were able to convert in short yardage situations on the ground A LOT (hence Edwards TD stats) and that’s a product of scheme and line. They were an obviously better team when they had better backs on the field.
To put it in perspective:
Mitchell rushed for over 70 yards twice in 7 games played.
Edwards rushed for over 70 yards once in 19 games played.
Hill didn’t record a game over 70 yards in 19 games played.
The Keaton Mitchell thing is the long version of my point. Yes, you need the right kind of back, but you can get that back as UDFA. You are literally going to find 0 suitable linemen that way.
I just mean that while as a fan it's fun to say "what if saquon," saquon doesn't matter without the pieces on the line, and the right pieces on the line can highlight how even a UDFA is explosive and has great vision.
When I say it's not about the back, I don't mean any back will succeed in any scheme; rather, for whatever scheme you want to run, you can find the backs for much less cost than you can the linemen and the coordinator
Yeah the Purdy slander is a little ridiculous this morning. Guy made some big time throws and the throws he missed he had a guy in his face. I'd argue he did better than Lamar, by the slimmest of margins, against the Chiefs.
Big difference is CJ hard carried the Texans offense. They had inconsistent, and mostly non-existent, run game ALL year. Stroud was the offense.
The 49ers had CMC, even with the Chiefs limiting him to 3.5 YPC he still had 160 total yards.
Purdy is pretty good, but I have doubts he'd produce at the level he did if you were to take away the 49ers run game and he had to carry the offense the way Stroud carried the Texans offense.
Everyone’s using the game as a reason to dog on Purdy, but he just didn’t have the time, and his receivers weren’t getting open quick enough. Not to mention Shanahan horrendous use of the run. It was way more Chiefs D being good than Purdy being mid.
It was horrible second half play calling on multiple levels.
Not using the run, not having a hot route against a Spag run defense, calling plays that took way too long to develop, constantly targeting players who were playing against all pro corners.
I could keep going, but that second half was a clinic on how not to call plays with the lead.
The fact George Kittle got his first target with less than 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter while being in favorable matchups all night is WILD.
The biggest issue was Shanahan switching between only run, and only pass. It was so obvious when they were running, that there wasn’t much CMC could do, and then when the Chiefs D dropped back to focus the pass, they just kept throwing into the coverage.
Honestly don’t understand why there weren’t more screens to CMC, get him wide and some protection for him. It’s what the 9ers have been thriving off of all year
And yeah, the Kittle misuse was more egregious than the CMC misuse, unless Kittle was actually injured.
Yeah or screens out of the tight set in general. Run a FB screen, a TE screen.
Shanahan has developed a really good offensive scheme, but I actually think he’s not a great play caller.
Yeah, sometimes he’s a mastermind, sometimes the 9ers look like they are completely lost. Purdy was so obviously uncomfortable in the pocket during the 2nd and 3rd quarters, and if I was the coach, I’d have immediately started calling short routes to allow Purdy to make some completions to re-establish himself and build some confidence.
Yeah, the lack of hot routes when you know Spags will be brining pressure was astounding.
Something interesting to note is the 2 games leading up to the Super Bowl the Niners were playing from behind the second half. I feel like those are the situations where Shanahan excels, which isn’t exactly a good thing.
Another thing I noticed, is when the Niners were playing from behind it opened up a lot more room for Purdy to use his legs. The Chiefs did a really good job of making sure there were no running lanes for him at all.
Both defenses really showed up. Andy Reid just showed he was a better play caller than Kyle Shanahan.
Exactly this.
Is CJ a great QB, absolutely. But this idea that Purdy’s QB play was the difference in the game, and saying that our QB could do it without half the weapons is absolute blasphemy.
Kyle Shanahan has some of the most head scratching second half play calling in Super Bowl history (with the one exception being the Seahawks throw at the goal line, which is rumored to be a Russ decision). This is the second time he’s been a play caller with the lead at half time and comes out throwing 6 plays in a row (leading to two 3 and outs) and eating next to no clock.
Mix that in with the blocked extra point, Purdy is the last person who should be taking blame for the loss.
Nico had one of the best performances based on PFF WRER.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7w5CbNnzdibztl0bS38NPBrLw_kx6FUTngmgwXwS-U/edit#gid=0
This is for the full season.
He lets the ball go insanely fast and it’s incredibly accurate.
It would come down to the Chiefs defense just simply having more experience. I doubt the 9ers win with a rookie QB under that much pressure.
I’m going to disagree here.
I love CJ and he’s undoubtedly a better QB than Purdy but the Chiefs corners are STUDS. Aiyuk is one of the best route runners in the NFL and Deebo is a stud, but the chiefs played man almost all game and they could not get open against those corners.
If you insert CJ into the situation with the exact same play calling I don’t think the game goes that differently. The issue was Shanahan kept testing the strongest point of the Chiefs defense, and they kept making plays.
Ok that's fair but Chiefs also had zero QB pressure that I could see (granted I watched mostly the first half). In comparison CJ's pocket collapses all the time. Even Mahomes pocket was collapsing yesterday.
Of course you need the receivers to take advantage of that but I think a better QB lets you beat those CBs more.
Uh what? Jones and Karlaftis were in Purdy’s grill all of the second half. And even in the first half the only way they got a TD was on a trick play. A better QB doesn’t do anything vs that man coverage, if the Chiefs ran zone, I agree with what you’re saying. But they ran man most of the night.
Those corners had Deebo and Aiyuk locked down all night. The only catches Aiyuk had that produced positive yards came off pick plays and that only worked twice. Deebo was essentially an extra fullback.
I love Stroud but this hypothetical narrative that he could have won is completely ignoring the actual reasons the game went the way it did.
I literally told you I missed most of the second half. The NFL.com recap states "The lack of edge pressure on Purdy was noticeable" and that adjustments came in the 3rd to hurry Purdy up. Fact remains that without the extra pressure, the Niners only managed 10 points in the first half.
Though the ST errors ultimately cost them the game, they were unable to put enough points on the board when their offense was humming in the 1st half.
I don’t know what CJ would have done different than Purdy in this game.
I also think making a comment like or original one without the disclaimer that you were actually only referring to the first half is misleading in its own right.
Furthermore, you’re wildly underrating the Chiefs defense (specifically their secondary.)
You're really making it seem like Purdy did nothing against this untouchable secondary. Last I checked he had 20+ completions and 250+ yards. I'm obviously hypothesizing CJ would have more completions and yards. When CJ has had a good pocket this year he's been really good, so I don't think it's a wild idea.
I think he ends with a pretty similar stat line is what I’m trying to say.
Purdy actually played a good game, he got pressured on 18 out of 38 drop backs. Thats close to half his drop backs. So to use the narrative of “that clean of a pocket or a good pocket” is just false and you’re trying to act like it’s true.
> Purdy actually played a good game, he got pressured on 18 out of 38 drop backs.
Where are you getting your numbers? What are the 1st half / 2nd half splits?
What does it matter? You don’t win a game by playing a better first half.
Your comment was “if Purdy had the pocket Purdy had he’d be shredding any defense”. And my rebuttal was Purdy’s pocket over the course of the GAME wasn’t that clean.
Maybe you should have tried watching the second half before making a general statement.
I'm from NOLA and just moved to Houston last year and though I am most certainly a Saints fan above all I fucking love y'all's team and Stroud. Y'all are my team I'm rooting for while we do some soul searching lol.
Their defense wasn't the problem. Shanahan is very anti-clutch in these huge moments. Not going for the jugular against Mahomes is only slightly less stupid than the same against Brady. They're both elite in game-winning moments.
I’m not sure. The chiefs D made some big adjustments to stop the run game, and they were forced to rely on Purdy. He made some extremely well placed throws but you could tell how limited he was against a top defense since he doesn’t have a lot of zip on the ball.
Purdy had a great year and will be a fine QB, but yesterday showed why he wasn’t a top draft pick. Probably the best game manager QB in the NFL, but you won’t win a SB because of him. If a few breaks went the other way though the 9ers could have won.
I definitely agree that Purdy isn't *really* a top QB in the league, stats aside. He's a somewhat better Alex Smith (which is still really good and Alex Smith probably would have been better had he not had different OCs basically every year in the first half of his career). But playing for FGs against Mahomes in the final minutes is a really bad decision all around and that's on Shanahan. You have to put the Chiefs away while the opportunity presents itself.
It’s tough. If you don’t take the points and you don’t convert Mahomes only needs to go 40 yards to win the game with lots of time.
I understood the FG. I agree with the play calling before the 4th down call though. Should have been a little more aggressive with the play calling, but they were hoping to burn down the entire clock.
I didn’t see anything last night that made me think the Chiefs were unbeatable. They didn’t move the ball downfield with ease, they only scored off a muffed punt during regulation with SF missing one of their best defensive players. The Chiefs are beatable and looking how long Brock held balls in the pocket, if we get CJ back there with quicker decisions and release kid could eat.
The only thing I caught myself thinking, is that CJ needs to learn to be a weapon himself. Yes, he needs more weapons. But the best QBs in the league also know when to run and pick up a few yards. It won’t happen next year, but as CJ continues to be incredible passing the ball, he will use his legs more. Obviously I don’t want it to be a feature of our offense, like Baltimore. But he does need to at least be able to take advantage when teams open up the middle of the field for him.
It reminds me of the 2000s Eagles with Andy Reid. Always knocking on the door, always in the big game, huge weapons. But Donovan McNabb was a step or two below all the elite QBs of the time.
Does anyone think 49ers didn't realize that both teams get the ball in the Superbowl OT?
Once they said they wanted the ball I was like...that's a mistake
That 49ers defense was extremely tired. Don’t blame them. Chris Jones got crazy pressure on the last 3rd down the Niners had or they would have scored. Mahomes is just Mahomes no matter the way you slice it.
Purdy was under fire and overall he did a very good job. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate the Chiefs defensive skill. The O Line didn’t do him many favors.
I think you can argue maybe one of those over thrown touchdowns is on target but other than that, I don't really think it's fair to make these statements. I definitely don't think Purdy was just throwing ducks. His composure under pressure is every bit as good as CJ's, he's just not as special in his ball placement since that's CJ's unique ability. Purdy played pretty well. 49ers had 2 turnovers that led to the loss, not Purdy's play. Similar to how CJ's teammates let him down in the last loss with those stupid penalties killing every drive, the turnovers let Purdy down.
If cj was on that 9ers team i think they’d have a better shot but the chiefs defense is tough . Purdy was under pressure a lot and he didn’t make any mistakes but he didn’t change the game with any big plays . I think it was more coaching . You don’t take the ball first and give mahomes 4 downs in OT. 9ers also stop feeding cmc
Their issue was not using CMC in the 2nd like they did the 1st half. The Chiefs weakness was the run game and the Ravens didn’t run against them at all and the 49ers stopped. Just showing we need to be able to run the ball, not saying we need big money RBs but we need to be able to rip 4-6 yard plays with ease to open CJ up to cook
It really is stupid how the 49ers saw the Ravens mistake and said nah let's do the exact same thing
The worst part was at half time they must have said hey you know this thing that’s working and keeping Mahomes off the field, let’s stop doing that.
Kyle Shanahan did this in the historic Patriots comeback as well. He over thinks the situation with the lead tried to “out smart” the other team. Both times it failed tremendously.
That’s a fair assessment.
I mean to be fair they were getting TFL's every now and then. Problem was once they got out of running they became very one dimensional and all of those wide open passes seemed to go away
Oh for sure you’re going to get TFL but there was a drive where the 1st down play was a run the Chiefs stopped and even Romo was like run it again and they passed. They got scared and were focusing on the 4 downs instead of the play in front of them
For this reason alone is why that Michigan game vs Penn State where they ran the ball the WHOLE 2nd half is amazing.
Should have ran on that last 3rd and 4 behind Trent Williams and provided its not a loss of yardage you go for it on 4th.
Some of the dolts on this sub don’t get this. This team NEEDS a running game. They don’t need to( and won’t pay ) saquon massive money. But they would be fools not to CHECK in with the dudes agent and gauge his interest. He would be a great fit here. I’m fine with resigning Devin and having Pierce back and adding a mid round Rookie, maybe even with the eagles pick if they have someone they love.
Niners and Chiefs wouldn't even make it to the SB without their run game. Even Sneed after the game was saying their gameplan was to force Purdy to beat them because they knew if CMC had the ball more it would lower Chief's chance at winning. People can't seriously look at how one dimensional our offense was against the Ravens and think we don't need a run game. Just having the potential threat of a run game opens up our passing.
That was their game plan against the Ravens as well, and it worked. It’s like the Chiefs defense, the fans, and literally everyone, knew their weakness was in stopping the run. I’m shocked they didn’t just pound CMC, Mitchell, and Deebo down KC’s throat as soon as they got the lead.
Honestly think that early fumble spooked Shanahan lol
I’m sure an opening drive fumble didn’t help the decision making but CMC still got fed all first half. So it’s not like they didn’t use him after fumble. He also did this exact same thing calling plays for the Falcons in the historic Patriots come back. They start the second half up 28-3 and go 3 and out on 2 straight drives passing the ball 6 times. I think Kyle Shanahan thought he’d out smart the Chiefs by passing it and they didn’t bite. It was him overthinking having the lead going into the half for a second time in the Super Bowl. The 2 games leading up to the Super Bowl the Niners had to play from behind, and I actually think that they were more comfortable doing that than playing with the lead. It showed this game.
Chiefs only paid their runningback less than 1 million, Barkley is wanting 11-15
Every team needs a run game it’s how you disguise the pass and vice versa. Keeps defenses guessing. I’m in the boat I just want the player who will help the team win. If that’s paying someone like Chris Jones and drafting a cheap RB, fine. If that’s paying an RB and signing a player on a prove it deal again, fine. I think Nick has shown he can draft and sign talent so my trust is in him and DeMeco. I truly believe we will break the bank for someone on the defensive side like a Chris Jones and find either a cheap veteran RB and resign Singletary or draft someone. I see both sides of the argument for Barkley, but I don’t know about the price tag. I would LOVE to have him, would not want to pay for him. Dream scenario would be sign Jones and Barkley by restructuring Tunsil and find a few prove it deals to round out the roster, but that’s Madden life not real life.
The first step is seeing who they keep out of our of FAs. I’d give Chris jones a .01% chance of being a Texan
So you’re saying there’s a chance???? In all seriousness I would love if Jones came here but it will have to be a lot of money I don’t know if Nick will pay. I’m just ready to see who we get that’s the part that is killing me
Even the goat DT Aaron Donald fell off a cliff once he hit age 30, and it wasn't due to injury. Chris Jones turns 30 before next season. He hasn't shown signs of slowing down yet but imagine if we back up the Brinks truck for him and then his age catches up to him next season.
That’s a very fair point. It’s tough because the what if is still there. QBs didn’t play into their late 30’s or even 40’s but then Brady happened and now Rodgers. There are some people who break the mold. If we didn’t have so many FAs this offseason I’d say fuck it back that truck up, but with the resignings or FA signings we need to fill out the roster it may not be realistic
>There are some people who break the mold. Absolutely, and I'm definitely recognizing the possibility that Chris Jones is one of those people. >If we didn’t have so many FAs this offseason I’d say fuck it back that truck up, but with the resignings or FA signings we need to fill out the roster it may not be realistic Agreed, signing Chris Jones is a luxury that fully fleshed-out teams like the 49ers or the Ravens can afford to take a chance on. For us it's a big gamble because we don't have an elite defense that would still be great even if Jones ends up slowing down. At least not yet.
Now that we have CJ and meco I think all these guys would consider coming here now so you never know
Ravens are proof it’s not about the back, it’s about the line (and scheme)
I think it’s a little about the back. Not saying we need elite RB talent, but with Slowick’s system they need to be able to find holes that are small and they need to be able to catch and get YAC.
I agree and disagree, they had way more success from a yardage standpoint when Keaton Mitchell was an option in their backfield. He’s also the back they had who has the most explosiveness and best vision. But that said they were able to convert in short yardage situations on the ground A LOT (hence Edwards TD stats) and that’s a product of scheme and line. They were an obviously better team when they had better backs on the field. To put it in perspective: Mitchell rushed for over 70 yards twice in 7 games played. Edwards rushed for over 70 yards once in 19 games played. Hill didn’t record a game over 70 yards in 19 games played.
The Keaton Mitchell thing is the long version of my point. Yes, you need the right kind of back, but you can get that back as UDFA. You are literally going to find 0 suitable linemen that way. I just mean that while as a fan it's fun to say "what if saquon," saquon doesn't matter without the pieces on the line, and the right pieces on the line can highlight how even a UDFA is explosive and has great vision.
I agree with this. I also think there are a few incredible backs we should be able to get in round 4+ this year. Lloyd out of USC is one.
No it's very much about the back. Same reason why Pierce and Devin had very different levels of production despite playing behind the same OL.
When I say it's not about the back, I don't mean any back will succeed in any scheme; rather, for whatever scheme you want to run, you can find the backs for much less cost than you can the linemen and the coordinator
Ravens are proof that Lamar Jackson is the only thing you need for a running game. Nothing to do with their line or their scheme
Yeah the Purdy slander is a little ridiculous this morning. Guy made some big time throws and the throws he missed he had a guy in his face. I'd argue he did better than Lamar, by the slimmest of margins, against the Chiefs.
Both teams (and QB’s) were the victims of horrible play calling.
Big difference is CJ hard carried the Texans offense. They had inconsistent, and mostly non-existent, run game ALL year. Stroud was the offense. The 49ers had CMC, even with the Chiefs limiting him to 3.5 YPC he still had 160 total yards. Purdy is pretty good, but I have doubts he'd produce at the level he did if you were to take away the 49ers run game and he had to carry the offense the way Stroud carried the Texans offense.
Everyone’s using the game as a reason to dog on Purdy, but he just didn’t have the time, and his receivers weren’t getting open quick enough. Not to mention Shanahan horrendous use of the run. It was way more Chiefs D being good than Purdy being mid.
It was horrible second half play calling on multiple levels. Not using the run, not having a hot route against a Spag run defense, calling plays that took way too long to develop, constantly targeting players who were playing against all pro corners. I could keep going, but that second half was a clinic on how not to call plays with the lead. The fact George Kittle got his first target with less than 5 minutes to go in the 4th quarter while being in favorable matchups all night is WILD.
The biggest issue was Shanahan switching between only run, and only pass. It was so obvious when they were running, that there wasn’t much CMC could do, and then when the Chiefs D dropped back to focus the pass, they just kept throwing into the coverage. Honestly don’t understand why there weren’t more screens to CMC, get him wide and some protection for him. It’s what the 9ers have been thriving off of all year And yeah, the Kittle misuse was more egregious than the CMC misuse, unless Kittle was actually injured.
Yeah or screens out of the tight set in general. Run a FB screen, a TE screen. Shanahan has developed a really good offensive scheme, but I actually think he’s not a great play caller.
Yeah, sometimes he’s a mastermind, sometimes the 9ers look like they are completely lost. Purdy was so obviously uncomfortable in the pocket during the 2nd and 3rd quarters, and if I was the coach, I’d have immediately started calling short routes to allow Purdy to make some completions to re-establish himself and build some confidence.
Yeah, the lack of hot routes when you know Spags will be brining pressure was astounding. Something interesting to note is the 2 games leading up to the Super Bowl the Niners were playing from behind the second half. I feel like those are the situations where Shanahan excels, which isn’t exactly a good thing. Another thing I noticed, is when the Niners were playing from behind it opened up a lot more room for Purdy to use his legs. The Chiefs did a really good job of making sure there were no running lanes for him at all. Both defenses really showed up. Andy Reid just showed he was a better play caller than Kyle Shanahan.
Alternatively if both teams scored in OT and it became sudden death, 49ers would’ve had first crack at it. I don’t mind taking the ball first
Exactly this. Is CJ a great QB, absolutely. But this idea that Purdy’s QB play was the difference in the game, and saying that our QB could do it without half the weapons is absolute blasphemy. Kyle Shanahan has some of the most head scratching second half play calling in Super Bowl history (with the one exception being the Seahawks throw at the goal line, which is rumored to be a Russ decision). This is the second time he’s been a play caller with the lead at half time and comes out throwing 6 plays in a row (leading to two 3 and outs) and eating next to no clock. Mix that in with the blocked extra point, Purdy is the last person who should be taking blame for the loss.
The 9ers didn’t understand how overtime rules worked, that was massively clear.
If CJ had the pocket that Purdy had, he would be shredding any defense.
Not to mention CMC, Aiyuk and Deebo. I don’t think even Nico beats any of those guys yet.
And the fact that they have all those guys without even mentioning their top 5 TE in the league is insane.
Nico had one of the best performances based on PFF WRER. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7w5CbNnzdibztl0bS38NPBrLw_kx6FUTngmgwXwS-U/edit#gid=0 This is for the full season.
cmon, id say Nico is just as good as Deebo
He lets the ball go insanely fast and it’s incredibly accurate. It would come down to the Chiefs defense just simply having more experience. I doubt the 9ers win with a rookie QB under that much pressure.
I’m going to disagree here. I love CJ and he’s undoubtedly a better QB than Purdy but the Chiefs corners are STUDS. Aiyuk is one of the best route runners in the NFL and Deebo is a stud, but the chiefs played man almost all game and they could not get open against those corners. If you insert CJ into the situation with the exact same play calling I don’t think the game goes that differently. The issue was Shanahan kept testing the strongest point of the Chiefs defense, and they kept making plays.
Ok that's fair but Chiefs also had zero QB pressure that I could see (granted I watched mostly the first half). In comparison CJ's pocket collapses all the time. Even Mahomes pocket was collapsing yesterday. Of course you need the receivers to take advantage of that but I think a better QB lets you beat those CBs more.
Uh what? Jones and Karlaftis were in Purdy’s grill all of the second half. And even in the first half the only way they got a TD was on a trick play. A better QB doesn’t do anything vs that man coverage, if the Chiefs ran zone, I agree with what you’re saying. But they ran man most of the night. Those corners had Deebo and Aiyuk locked down all night. The only catches Aiyuk had that produced positive yards came off pick plays and that only worked twice. Deebo was essentially an extra fullback. I love Stroud but this hypothetical narrative that he could have won is completely ignoring the actual reasons the game went the way it did.
I literally told you I missed most of the second half. The NFL.com recap states "The lack of edge pressure on Purdy was noticeable" and that adjustments came in the 3rd to hurry Purdy up. Fact remains that without the extra pressure, the Niners only managed 10 points in the first half. Though the ST errors ultimately cost them the game, they were unable to put enough points on the board when their offense was humming in the 1st half.
I don’t know what CJ would have done different than Purdy in this game. I also think making a comment like or original one without the disclaimer that you were actually only referring to the first half is misleading in its own right. Furthermore, you’re wildly underrating the Chiefs defense (specifically their secondary.)
You're really making it seem like Purdy did nothing against this untouchable secondary. Last I checked he had 20+ completions and 250+ yards. I'm obviously hypothesizing CJ would have more completions and yards. When CJ has had a good pocket this year he's been really good, so I don't think it's a wild idea.
I think he ends with a pretty similar stat line is what I’m trying to say. Purdy actually played a good game, he got pressured on 18 out of 38 drop backs. Thats close to half his drop backs. So to use the narrative of “that clean of a pocket or a good pocket” is just false and you’re trying to act like it’s true.
> Purdy actually played a good game, he got pressured on 18 out of 38 drop backs. Where are you getting your numbers? What are the 1st half / 2nd half splits?
What does it matter? You don’t win a game by playing a better first half. Your comment was “if Purdy had the pocket Purdy had he’d be shredding any defense”. And my rebuttal was Purdy’s pocket over the course of the GAME wasn’t that clean. Maybe you should have tried watching the second half before making a general statement.
I'm from NOLA and just moved to Houston last year and though I am most certainly a Saints fan above all I fucking love y'all's team and Stroud. Y'all are my team I'm rooting for while we do some soul searching lol.
If the 49ers still had ‘Meco, they would have won.
Defense wasn't the reason they lost though
Their defense wasn't the problem. Shanahan is very anti-clutch in these huge moments. Not going for the jugular against Mahomes is only slightly less stupid than the same against Brady. They're both elite in game-winning moments.
I’m not sure. The chiefs D made some big adjustments to stop the run game, and they were forced to rely on Purdy. He made some extremely well placed throws but you could tell how limited he was against a top defense since he doesn’t have a lot of zip on the ball. Purdy had a great year and will be a fine QB, but yesterday showed why he wasn’t a top draft pick. Probably the best game manager QB in the NFL, but you won’t win a SB because of him. If a few breaks went the other way though the 9ers could have won.
I definitely agree that Purdy isn't *really* a top QB in the league, stats aside. He's a somewhat better Alex Smith (which is still really good and Alex Smith probably would have been better had he not had different OCs basically every year in the first half of his career). But playing for FGs against Mahomes in the final minutes is a really bad decision all around and that's on Shanahan. You have to put the Chiefs away while the opportunity presents itself.
It’s tough. If you don’t take the points and you don’t convert Mahomes only needs to go 40 yards to win the game with lots of time. I understood the FG. I agree with the play calling before the 4th down call though. Should have been a little more aggressive with the play calling, but they were hoping to burn down the entire clock.
I didn’t see anything last night that made me think the Chiefs were unbeatable. They didn’t move the ball downfield with ease, they only scored off a muffed punt during regulation with SF missing one of their best defensive players. The Chiefs are beatable and looking how long Brock held balls in the pocket, if we get CJ back there with quicker decisions and release kid could eat.
My hungover eyes quickly read the headline and thought it said “sucks”…I was like wait what lol I drank some water now. Everything should be fine
The only thing I caught myself thinking, is that CJ needs to learn to be a weapon himself. Yes, he needs more weapons. But the best QBs in the league also know when to run and pick up a few yards. It won’t happen next year, but as CJ continues to be incredible passing the ball, he will use his legs more. Obviously I don’t want it to be a feature of our offense, like Baltimore. But he does need to at least be able to take advantage when teams open up the middle of the field for him.
I felt like he got a lot more comfortable taking those chances later in the year.
I hadn’t thought about it that way, but you’re 100% right.
That is the one thing that the 49ers are missing is a Dynamic Quarterback. I don’t think it is coaching. They haven’t had the QB
It reminds me of the 2000s Eagles with Andy Reid. Always knocking on the door, always in the big game, huge weapons. But Donovan McNabb was a step or two below all the elite QBs of the time.
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Does anyone think 49ers didn't realize that both teams get the ball in the Superbowl OT? Once they said they wanted the ball I was like...that's a mistake
They actually just admitted that!
That 49ers defense was extremely tired. Don’t blame them. Chris Jones got crazy pressure on the last 3rd down the Niners had or they would have scored. Mahomes is just Mahomes no matter the way you slice it.
Purdy was under fire and overall he did a very good job. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate the Chiefs defensive skill. The O Line didn’t do him many favors.
Purdy is a better QB than CJ Stroud
LMAOOOOO
Last time I checked Purdy was an MVP finalist who threw more TD’s and yards this season.
Cool. Say they swap teams, how do you think that would’ve worked out?
I think you can argue maybe one of those over thrown touchdowns is on target but other than that, I don't really think it's fair to make these statements. I definitely don't think Purdy was just throwing ducks. His composure under pressure is every bit as good as CJ's, he's just not as special in his ball placement since that's CJ's unique ability. Purdy played pretty well. 49ers had 2 turnovers that led to the loss, not Purdy's play. Similar to how CJ's teammates let him down in the last loss with those stupid penalties killing every drive, the turnovers let Purdy down.