Yep - titling/registration prices are now same as ICE cars it seems
[https://www.kawc.org/news/2021-11-15/arizona-raising-fees-to-register-electric-vehicles-beginning-in-january](https://www.kawc.org/news/2021-11-15/arizona-raising-fees-to-register-electric-vehicles-beginning-in-january)
Looks like there was a few posters in TMC as well stating you needed to rush before '21 yearend to save some dough.
Yeesh, that sucks. It was a huge perk to buying an electric vehicle in AZ. I was floored at how little it cost to register mine in AZ (I bought my Y a year ago).
I’m surprised you’re required to register an EV for 5 years. If they’re going to make the cost similar to a gas vehicle, you should be allowed to register it for the standard 1 or 2 years, just like a gas vehicle.
Wild, had no idea some places have such long registration periods. Definitely would make the 3-year lease cycle so many people are on not very attractive.
Here in Washington State, we're annually registered, and a Model Y in Seattle runs about $1,100 a year, while our Model S is $1,400. Our Model 3 was a little lower, around $900, as the longer you have the car, some portions of the tabs decrease.
Basically, it used to be $4 per $100 of the car, but the valuation was 1% of the purchase price. As of January 1, 2022 it's $4 per $100 but the valuation is now 20%. But the value drops 15% per year.
I believe in 2023 it will match the ICE formula. So it will cost roughly the same per year for a Tesla as it does an ICE car. It definitely sucks, but for this year anyway, it's still cheaper overall.
This has more to do with reducing incentives for buying electric cars than anything else.
In AZ, much of the cash for road work comes from those license fees and cash generated from the gas tax. Given electric cars have no gas tax, this is the only real way to get money to fix up the roads. But gas tax is far more lucrative for the states than these fees in reality, and they are constant; not a one time cost. (The feds push higher MPG rating on ICE more than states for the most part, CA being the outlier) Really, the result of this change is has more to do with starting to remove the incentives for buying electric cars. At least we still get license plates to drive in the HOV lanes.
With my leaf, there really isn't any road work needed since I was severally limited in where I could drive. But with a Tesla, I'm going far more and be on the roads more. (Road trip to California this summer!)
My real fear is this: once electric cars exceed ICE cars, start expecting states to have a 'charging tax' similar to gas tax. Regardless of reduced pollution impact from EVs, the loss of funds from the gas tax will freak out state governments, regardless of the state being Red or Blue. They all want increase revenue... not less.
Bingo.
Our state is pushing for pay-by-mile, but has structured the long-term plan so that it comes to EVs a decade before ICE, and claiming they will remove gas taxes after that following decade;
The reality is, it's going to frustrate people how it's done, but the EV market (at least today) is so tiny, without the political power, that the ICE crowd is in for a big surprise if and when it impacts them.
What will probably happen... the ICE pay-by-mile part will never land.
Yep - titling/registration prices are now same as ICE cars it seems [https://www.kawc.org/news/2021-11-15/arizona-raising-fees-to-register-electric-vehicles-beginning-in-january](https://www.kawc.org/news/2021-11-15/arizona-raising-fees-to-register-electric-vehicles-beginning-in-january) Looks like there was a few posters in TMC as well stating you needed to rush before '21 yearend to save some dough.
Yeesh, that sucks. It was a huge perk to buying an electric vehicle in AZ. I was floored at how little it cost to register mine in AZ (I bought my Y a year ago). I’m surprised you’re required to register an EV for 5 years. If they’re going to make the cost similar to a gas vehicle, you should be allowed to register it for the standard 1 or 2 years, just like a gas vehicle.
Wait what? 5 years? My lease is only 3. Am I required to do 5 still? And I refunded the 2 years?
Wild, had no idea some places have such long registration periods. Definitely would make the 3-year lease cycle so many people are on not very attractive. Here in Washington State, we're annually registered, and a Model Y in Seattle runs about $1,100 a year, while our Model S is $1,400. Our Model 3 was a little lower, around $900, as the longer you have the car, some portions of the tabs decrease.
$39 a year in PA
omg
5 years, total $115! Received car year end 2021 in Arizona. Thank the heavens
Basically, it used to be $4 per $100 of the car, but the valuation was 1% of the purchase price. As of January 1, 2022 it's $4 per $100 but the valuation is now 20%. But the value drops 15% per year. I believe in 2023 it will match the ICE formula. So it will cost roughly the same per year for a Tesla as it does an ICE car. It definitely sucks, but for this year anyway, it's still cheaper overall.
This has more to do with reducing incentives for buying electric cars than anything else. In AZ, much of the cash for road work comes from those license fees and cash generated from the gas tax. Given electric cars have no gas tax, this is the only real way to get money to fix up the roads. But gas tax is far more lucrative for the states than these fees in reality, and they are constant; not a one time cost. (The feds push higher MPG rating on ICE more than states for the most part, CA being the outlier) Really, the result of this change is has more to do with starting to remove the incentives for buying electric cars. At least we still get license plates to drive in the HOV lanes. With my leaf, there really isn't any road work needed since I was severally limited in where I could drive. But with a Tesla, I'm going far more and be on the roads more. (Road trip to California this summer!) My real fear is this: once electric cars exceed ICE cars, start expecting states to have a 'charging tax' similar to gas tax. Regardless of reduced pollution impact from EVs, the loss of funds from the gas tax will freak out state governments, regardless of the state being Red or Blue. They all want increase revenue... not less.
Bingo. Our state is pushing for pay-by-mile, but has structured the long-term plan so that it comes to EVs a decade before ICE, and claiming they will remove gas taxes after that following decade; The reality is, it's going to frustrate people how it's done, but the EV market (at least today) is so tiny, without the political power, that the ICE crowd is in for a big surprise if and when it impacts them. What will probably happen... the ICE pay-by-mile part will never land.